He has shown that he is the greatest today. No need to say anymore. He is in the league of champions.

Congratulations.

cepatnya.. u pre write this to post on his winning point ka?

cepatnya.. u pre write this to post on his winning point ka?


Already knew he will win.:D

But he sure dont look confident..even when he is leading.
Just look at his face.

Tahniah Lee Chong Wei. He totally outplayed Taufik. Close match...

Tahniah Lee Chong Wei. He totally outplayed Taufik. Close match...


"Outplayed"? You must be kidding!!!!

Tahniah Lee Chong Wei. He totally outplayed Taufik. Close match...
I dont fink TH was totally outplayed by LCW... Both are even on skills wise..

I dont fink TH was totally outplayed by LCW... Both are even on skills wise..

True, LCW is fitter on the day but Taufik played like a champion himself. He did not give up. Well done Taufik.

"Outplayed"? You must be kidding!!!!
U r right, I was just kidding!:D

i applaud both players. even though i didn't watch it, i'm pretty sure it was a very interesting and exciting match.

i applaud both players. even though i didn't watch it, i'm pretty sure it was a very interesting and exciting match.


Take my word -- it was first class all the way.

i can't wait for someone to upload the video so i can watch ^^.

i can't wait for someone to upload the video so i can watch ^^.

Definitely worth the while--they both fought all the way. Scores very close.

he is not stable when he comes to critical situation...
i would say he is still not the best yet...

LCW defeats two world champions to win Japan Open, he should go to disneyland...:D

LCW defeats two world champions to win Japan Open, he should go to disneyland...:D


Bloody right ! He may take your offer.:D

He has shown that he is the greatest today. No need to say anymore. He is in the league of champions.

Congratulations.Contrary to that, he still needs to do it consistently to be considered 'the greatest'.

Contrary to that, he still needs to do it consistently to be considered 'the greatest'.


I did say "greatest today".;)

Sometimes Malaysian fans put LCW under pressure, we could see from WC'07. I think LCW has good ability to be top player. In JO he did not have much pressure as WC '07. That is why he can get the title. I think most of player will be under pressure if their fans said that you can not lose with others, you must win. Malaysia fans must know that badminton is the game, and anybody can lose at anytime.....

Between Taufik and LCW, Taufik is much better in skill

Sometimes Malaysian fans put LCW under pressure, we could see from WC'07. I think LCW has good ability to be top player. In JO he did not have much pressure as WC '07. That is why he can get the title. I think most of player will be under pressure if their fans said that you can not lose with others, you must win. Malaysia fans must know that badminton is the game, and anybody can lose at anytime.....

I am sorry I cannot agree with you that he is not under pressure. When you have two of the world's best players at you one after another, there is pressure (a lot). He has shown he can handle that if he has his mind on it. In the WC, Sony was clearly at his best and caught LCW on the back foot and don't forget LCW mentioned that had YKH on his mind too. The pressue was really from YKH -- he said that. LCW has never ever said the fans put him on pressure.

Sometimes Malaysian fans put LCW under pressure, we could see from WC'07. I think LCW has good ability to be top player. In JO he did not have much pressure as WC '07. That is why he can get the title. I think most of player will be under pressure if their fans said that you can not lose with others, you must win. Malaysia fans must know that badminton is the game, and anybody can lose at anytime.....
disagree. all fans from other countries will be the same, no exception at all...

I did say "greatest today".;)Not good enough, baybeh! True champions are always hungry for more success! :)

Between Taufik and LCW, Taufik is much better in skill


They are almost the same lah--- don't paint those kind of comparisons eespecially when LCW has beaten Taufik today.

just look at taufik's net play and superb backhand smashes. those were already legendary shots.......

Not good enough, baybeh! True champions are always hungry for more success! :)


Baybeh ? You some kinda of American ?:D

I'd say playing on neutral ground and without fanatical fans as in Glasgow and Tokyo does kinda present an even playing field. I wud say it is definitely "not so much pressure" as in playing in front of fanatical fans baying for blood each time he loses.
Whatever, he has proven that he is still up there with the best if not he is the BEST !!

just look at taufik's net play and superb backhand smashes. those were already legendary shots.......

Yes agree. But bottomline he still lost to LCW.:D

I'd say playing on neutral ground and without fanatical fans as in Glasgow and Tokyo does kinda present an even playing field. I wud say it is definitely "not so much pressure" as in playing in front of fanatical fans baying for blood each time he loses.
Whatever, he has proven that he is still up there with the best if not he is the BEST !!

Well Said. I have never ever said he is the best but he is in the league of champions - on a good day, he has shown he can beat LD and Taufik. That is good enough for me. Today was very enjoyable for all his fans, including me.:)

Yes agree. But bottomline he still lost to LCW.:D
They say history don't remember the runner-ups.

upppsssi

i don't belong here :)

They say history don't remember the runner-ups.


Earlier this year everybody said the Chinese are unbeatable and it was sickening to see them win all the time. I think times have changed, even the women's singles has just been won by Rasmussen, beating XXFANG.

It is now more exciting. I think the present lot of players are matching each other (even Boonsak is getting into the winners' circle). Isn't it great ? :D

They say history don't remember the runner-ups.

Nope, they dont. Who lost to LD in wc07?? I forgotten already.:D

upppsssi

i don't belong here :)

Taufik-ist, you do -- Taufik, your hero played estremely well. I am impressed -- so I won't ask you to eat your words.:D

Nope, they dont. Who lost to LD in wc07?? I forgotten already.:D

sony..... :D....:)

Er.........x-ball, so u gettin more free lunches in jarkata??

Er.........x-ball, so u gettin more free lunches in jarkata??



hahahaha, got to claim it from Indra first.....I don;t see him anymore, what is happening.:D

Baybeh ? You some kinda of American ?:D
No la, where got me American wan? Haiyo!

not american but yanked.

congratulations to LCW, he did well. hopefully he will learn to maintain his form and be more consistent (in terms of winning).

Tahniah Lee Chong Wei. He totally outplayed Taufik. Close match...
I call "totally outplayed" winning in two sets and convincingly. He didn't do that. But congrat to Lee. He worked hard for it.

I call "totally outplayed" winning in two sets and convincingly. He didn't do that. But congrat to Lee. He worked hard for it.

He said he was joking. Maybe you did not read that.:)

Heartiest Congratulations To Lee Chong Wei.

Congratulations for winning the 2007 Japan Open,
Congratulations for winning the 2007 second SS,
and Congratulations for finally losing your "Kampong Boy" title.

From your fellow Penangites.

Heartiest Congratulations To Lee Chong Wei.

Congratulations for winning the 2007 Japan Open,
Congratulations for winning the 2007 second SS,
and Congratulations for finally losing your "Kampong Boy" title.

From your fellow Penangites.

Kampong Boy? Hello! LCW won the indo and philip open too la!

Kampong Boy? Hello! LCW won the indo and philip open too la!


Hahaha, many people still don't believe he has 'arrived'.

Yes agree. But bottomline he still lost to LCW.:D

but without TH in the final, all the spectators will lose.......:D:D:D:D i believe this was the most entertaining MS match in all SS so far.

good job lcw!
beat cj,ld and th!
but still need improvement cos he gave away the 2nd set altho he lead so many points n it's 6 times match point in rubber set

Kampong Boy? Hello! LCW won the indo and philip open too la!

Lol.... he is not kampung champion anymore. Both MO and WC this he lost quite badly at home but played well outside malaysia.
A sign that he might do well in WC and OG next year? :p

Lee Chong Wei should have won the match in straight sets when leading 15-9 in the 2nd game after taking the 1st 22-20. When he was leading 15-8 in the rubber and finally reached championship point at 20-14, I was thinking "not again". Finally, he managed to pull it off, at the 6th match point, to claim his 3rd titles of the year, in a 22-20, 19-21, 21-19 68-minute epic battle against the talented Taufik Hidayat. Anyway, both played very well. Bravo, guys.

Lee Chong Wei choked a bit when having a big lead in the 2nd & 3rd. Taufik, on the other hand, played big points much better. The match could have turned either way. Chong Wei was a bit lucky to have won the 1st game but a bit unlucky to have won it in rubber games.

I didn't watch the match, but certainly hoping for someone to upload it. Maybe to stage6.divx.com which is a good platform for long videos as it offers good compression.

LCW lead by huge gaps in both 2nd and 3rd set, but he doesn't yet have the ability to close the game. Anyone that watch the match can analyse what happen?

I have been watching a lot his match since the day he started to JO.He has grown very much in his gameplay.It used to be very messy shots when he is younger.Now he shots are more decisive and tactical.He is more patient with his shot and not wanting to kill it all the time.

I had a gut feeling that he might lose JO.But i am surprised.Congrats

True, LCW is fitter on the day but Taufik played like a champion himself. He did not give up. Well done Taufik.
yah..well done taufik..n tahniah lee chong wei !

Lee Chong Mei is back opps
I mean Wei!

Lee Chong Wei should have won the match in straight sets when leading 15-9 in the 2nd game after taking the 1st 22-20. When he was leading 15-8 in the rubber and finally reached championship point at 20-14, I was thinking "not again". Finally, he managed to pull it off, at the 6th match point, to claim his 3rd titles of the year, in a 22-20, 19-21, 21-19 68-minute epic battle against the talented Taufik Hidayat. Anyway, both played very well. Bravo, guys.

Lee Chong Wei choked a bit when having a big lead in the 2nd & 3rd. Taufik, on the other hand, played big points much better. The match could have turned either way. Chong Wei was a bit lucky to have won the 1st game but a bit unlucky to have won it in rubber games.

yes, agree with you...

wow,lee chong wei won..great job=)
omedeto...

I admire Taufik's persistence when the chips are down, he is marvellous in top tier tournaments (previous WC excluded) and when trailing behind. It is there where he would bring out his A game.

But great win for LCW, the early points that he won on Taufik's errors were enough today. Both players trade excellent winners at the net and in smashes, maybe LCW just edged it slightly with points won in defence.

I have not seen Taufik play as persistent and as aggresive as he did today. He was really amazing. He tried to stay very cool despite the tight match. Even he did not win today I must say he has done a terrific job.

My sincere congratulations to Lee Chong Wei. I cannot believe myself waving a huge Malaysian flag with a Japanese guy who happens to like LCW as well. Indeed a very successful day today.

LCW has not proven anything. He was actually on the way towards losing the final set, but he got lucky when Taufik's last shot hit the net. From 20-14 until 20-19, it was obvious that LCW's game was crumbling. He had a mental freeze at the championship point. That is a very very big weakness that dare I say will be the biggest hurdle that will prevent LCW ever winning a big title (World Championship or Olympics Gold). It is the characteristic of all Malaysian players.

I won't call him a loser. But he definitely is not a "winner".

LCW has not proven anything. He was actually on the way towards losing the final set, but he got lucky when Taufik's last shot hit the net. From 20-14 until 20-19, it was obvious that LCW's game was crumbling. He had a mental freeze at the championship point. That is a very very big weakness that dare I say will be the biggest hurdle that will prevent LCW ever winning a big title (World Championship or Olympics Gold). It is the characteristic of all Malaysian players.

I won't call him a loser. But he definitely is not a "winner".

nice different point of view :)

He has shown that he is the greatest today. No need to say anymore. He is in the league of champions.

Congratulations.

hes just lucky lin dan was tired after winnning WC :D

LCW is very happy that he won in this tournament. Not easy to go thru Chen Jin, Lindan and Taufik. He is savouring the moment right now. Back to work in few days time. Leaving Tokyo tomorrow morning.

LCW has not proven anything. He was actually on the way towards losing the final set, but he got lucky when Taufik's last shot hit the net. From 20-14 until 20-19, it was obvious that LCW's game was crumbling. He had a mental freeze at the championship point. That is a very very big weakness that dare I say will be the biggest hurdle that will prevent LCW ever winning a big title (World Championship or Olympics Gold). It is the characteristic of all Malaysian players.

I won't call him a loser. But he definitely is not a "winner".

Common.. LCW wins against LD & TH , the arguably most talented player on earth in two consecutive & DARE u say it was just the luck in his part??
Whoever win between LD/TH/LCW among each other is deserved to be champions ! LD win Sony (Although the later only rank outside top 10) should be accepted as "WINNER" as well..
At 19 points to steal the match, many players will sustain the pressure to finish off the match.. LD/TH/PG or whoever great players got facing this kinda situation before.. Why have to point the finger to a new born champion of JO? When LD won WC, can we say he is damn extreme lucky coz he need not to face TH & LCW on route to defend his WC title ?

LCW is very happy that he won in this tournament. Not easy to go thru Chen Jin, Lindan and Taufik. He is savouring the moment right now. Back to work in few days time. Leaving Tokyo tomorrow morning.
Please do post here some GREAT PICS for JO when u back in MAS OK.

LCW has not proven anything. He was actually on the way towards losing the final set, but he got lucky when Taufik's last shot hit the net. From 20-14 until 20-19, it was obvious that LCW's game was crumbling. He had a mental freeze at the championship point. That is a very very big weakness that dare I say will be the biggest hurdle that will prevent LCW ever winning a big title (World Championship or Olympics Gold). It is the characteristic of all Malaysian players.

I won't call him a loser. But he definitely is not a "winner".You are very sharp and has pointed out Chong Wei's crucial weakness and it is true of all Malaysian players as none has won the World Championship or the Olympic Gold Medal.Iam sure Rexy and Misbun realised this and hopefully Lee chong Wei and the rest of the Malaysian players take note of your kind and concern thought.So be forewarned all Malaysian players.Toughen up your mental approach.By the way,Chong Wei has proven to be the second Malaysian to win the Japan Open.

hes just lucky lin dan was tired after winnning WC :D
Who did LD beat to win the WC?
Still tired after 3 or 4 weeks rest? What kind of WC champion is that?
But LD was not tired after WC last year when he won the JO?
LD is showing signs of aging or LCW getting too good for him?
LD was mentally exhausted by the G2,wearing that unmistakeable hunted look. For LD, the mental fatigue sets in before the physical.But LD's mental stamina has improved. In the past year or two, when he had to play consecutive non-CHN MS, he had fallen to the 3rd. This time he got past the 3rd and lost to the 4th.I would call it major mental progress.
How did LCW manage to reel off 9 points in a row each at the beginning and end of the match against CJ?This was not luck. This means CJ, a future no.1,was mentally confused by LCW's play.A player can be lucky for one match but not 5 in a row.
Poor LD. So shell shocked he did a Serena Williams postmatch interview.
Anyway he should be happy he got his calibration opportunity with LCW.

LCW has not proven anything.... But he definitely is not a "winner".
Good point of views...so the winner of MS JO 2007 is either NIL or Taufik?
My friend, pls post your guidelines/term n conditions/restrictions (before Taipei Open starts) how you consider n differentiate 'a winner is a winner' n 'a winner is not a winner' ??? :D:D:D

Who did LD beat to win the WC?
Still tired after 3 or 4 weeks rest? What kind of WC champion is that?

Well said, pjswift

Who did LD beat to win the WC?
Still tired after 3 or 4 weeks rest? What kind of WC champion is that?

Actually, both LD and TH were suffering from acute weichongitis (a viral infection which causes the sufferer to lose to a better player). :p

Come on folks, why can't you see LCW's win for what it is?
He won because he was better. :)

yeah...there is nothing wrong if LCW wins. He is also a good player...

the conclusion:

lcw is the best in JO 2007

case closed

the conclusion:

lcw is the best in JO 2007

case closed


yeah...settled!

A win is a win is a win, even if the game was won by one point...Granted there is concern that LCW could not close the game leading 19-14 and allow TH to come back, but then we admire the fighting spirit and shows how great a player TH can be if he wants to.
To undermine LCW performance and winning shows how shallow people can be...if there is any talk of tiredness, it would be LCW who must be physically and mentally very, very tired, having to face/overcome the daunting task of taking on CJ, LD and a superb TH in a row...LCW is 100% deserving of this win, as he is only player having to go through the most challenging path to winning it all in JO07.
I hope LCW skip the next Open to allow time to rest and enjoy this win...To quote Camilla Martin phrase of china wall, I add CHN wall and INA icon to this path, i.e. a great playing TH...folks this feat we just witnessed (i.e. going through 3 great top players in a row especially after a lowsy performance in WC07) does not happen often, so it is not fair to undermine LCW.
I wish LCW could continue to play this way up to OLY but to expect him to perform miracle everytime is too much to ask for and should LCW falter, hope the same fans would not bash him...and with TH playing so well, that bodes well for badminton and especially for OLY08 we are all in for a treat and a feast, hahaha!!!...LD is still the one to beat but the pressure at OLY08 for the entire CHN squad and esp LD (CHN first OLYand every gold medal is a must target for CHN, now who the heck say, OLY is just one event that is rubbish, OLY08 meant everything for CHN!!! and every player goal is to win it cos it defines his status, reap bigtime reward far more than any Open winning $$ and heck! OLY occurs once in 4 years, most player has one kick to do, that's it) must be bigtime, TH has already won one and has nothing to lose, LCW playing so well, not to forget Arup, Sony, Simon, Bonsak, aging KJ and PG (still playing well) that is a real treat to CHN. Suddenly, we see some parity in baddy, at least for the next little while...I hope. :D

While LCW performance in JO07 is outstanding, Tine Rasmussen going through practically the entire CHN Wall would eclipse LCW performance. If I am not mistaken, this is the first time that any MS player achieve this feat of conquering the mighty CHN wall...

yea...all of them are the strong players of the world now...

the conclusion:

lcw is the best in JO 2007

case closed

not yet, please select your choice:
a. taufik is the best in JO 2007 though LCW is the winner
b. taufik is the best in JO 2007 but LCW is the winner
c. taufik is the best and LCW is the winner

forgive me, just for fun
my pick is c

While LCW performance in JO07 is outstanding, Tine Rasmussen going through practically the entire CHN Wall would eclipse LCW performance. If I am not mistaken, this is the first time that any MS player achieve this feat of conquering the mighty CHN wall...
Typo:
While LCW performance in JO07 is outstanding, Tine Rasmussen going through practically the entire CHN Wall would eclipse LCW performance. If I am not mistaken, this is the first time that any WS player achieve this feat of conquering the mighty CHN wall...

Congratesz Chong Wei..Shud hv won it straight set...... But dun care la, hw many sets 2 win,. s long s already win it..
LCW 1 of the best player in the world !!!!!!

Why LCW over TH!? what i think LCW really play better to day!, he control almost all the time exspecially at the back court. TH play really good at the net! so many points he collected the shuttle roll over the net!
Actaully LCW can win the game with the BIG GAP points, but 2nd and 3rd game, TH really show his confidennce to chease back.
This final really good. It.s really good final without LD!!

It.s really good final without LD!!


lol...true also. almost everytime we see LD in final...

Yes, he was good today.

The effort that he made to win should not be undermined.

I'm also extremely glad to see that Taufik was playing at his best today, and not do the bad boy thingy by just simply giving up in the last game. That is the hallmark of a real champion, whether you actually win or lose at the end.

LCW's win was justifiably a solid one, not 'gifted' by anyone; though at two stages, he could have closed the game but not able to do so at the juncture that all of us glued to our sofas/spectator seats wished. Yes, overall he was controlling the game and he deserves the win.

To come though so many tough players and win.... may he become one of the all time greats.:)

Typo:
While LCW performance in JO07 is outstanding, Tine Rasmussen going through practically the entire CHN Wall would eclipse LCW performance. If I am not mistaken, this is the first time that any WS player achieve this feat of conquering the mighty CHN wall...

Tina actually defeated 4 Chinese players. 3 representing China and 1 representing Germany. I'm happy for her:)

not yet, please select your choice:
a. taufik is the best in JO 2007 though LCW is the winner
b. taufik is the best in JO 2007 but LCW is the winner
c. taufik is the best and LCW is the winner

forgive me, just for fun
my pick is c
Thanks for the fun.
Allow me to add another:
d. taufik is the best because he did not maximise net-hitting in G3 and LCW is the winner
my pick is d
Anyone else have other options?

Hi X Ball,

A great tournament for Lee Chong Wei. :):):)

Having to beat HH, RS, CJ, LD and TH to win the JO 2007 shows how great he is.

And we hope there will be lots more to come for him.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Tina actually defeated 4 Chinese players. 3 representing China and 1 representing Germany. I'm happy for her:)
nope, pls recheck,
victims-
xhw ger
jyj chn
zn chn
ll chn
xxf chn

lol...everyone is arguing over the winning of LCW

lets just say all of them are WINNERS....

I am sorry I cannot agree with you that he is not under pressure. When you have two of the world's best players at you one after another, there is pressure (a lot). He has shown he can handle that if he has his mind on it. In the WC, Sony was clearly at his best and caught LCW on the back foot and don't forget LCW mentioned that had YKH on his mind too. The pressue was really from YKH -- he said that. LCW has never ever said the fans put him on pressure.

Yeah that is because of he could not say that. But deep in his heart said that the pressure from Malaysian people also influence.

disagree. all fans from other countries will be the same, no exception at all...

Yes I agree all fans will be the same, but LCW cannot stand it.... Believe me, in JO he come as an underdog, see that his draw etc. That is why he can be a winner, no much pressure from media and his fans....

Thanks for the fun.
Allow me to add another:
d. taufik is the best because he did not maximise net-hitting in G3 and LCW is the winner
my pick is d
Anyone else have other options?


ok 1 more to add on
a. taufik is the best in JO 2007 though LCW is the winner
b. taufik is the best in JO 2007 but LCW is the winner
c. taufik is the best and LCW is the winner
d. taufik is the best because he did not maximise net-hitting in G3 and LCW is the winner
e. taufik is NOI the best and LCW is NOT the winner

forgive me, just for fun
still my pick is c
:)

Yes I agree all fans will be the same, but LCW cannot stand it.... Believe me, in JO he come as an underdog, see that his draw etc. That is why he can be a winner, no much pressure from media and his fans....
this time i agree with you, in blue
thks for poiniting out the facts

I am sure all top players have some agenda to take care after the lost to improve on their next possible encounters with one another. Chong Wei certainly need to improve his killer instinct, Lin Dan needs to improve his physical readiness and Taufik in fitness while Chen Jin need to improve his overall match. But please, Chong Wei is the champ and won square and fair so lets just congratulate him and move on. In Japan Open MS, Chong Wei is the best of all, simple as it.

Badminton: Chong Wei redeems pride with win at the Japan Open


PETALING JAYA: National number one Lee Chong Wei restored his pride by winning the Japan Open title for the first time in sensational fashion in Tokyo yesterday.

In contrast to his disastrous performances in the World Championships last month, a rejuvenated Chong Wei dished out a classy show to beat Indonesian superstar Taufik Hidayat 22-20, 19-21, 21-19 in the men's singles final. The match saw brilliant performances from both players in the 65-minute battle.

It was Chong Wei's second win over Taufik this year. The first was in the semi-finals of the China Masters in July and then, it was the first time too in two years that he had beaten the Olympic champion.

With the win, Chong Wei becomes the second player under the charge of Misbun Sidek to win the Japan Open after Mohd Roslin Hashim in 2001.
By claiming the Japan Open title, Chong Wei has nailed the first of his “Big Four” on the international stage. He also wants to be the champion in the World Championships, Olympics and the All-England.

“This victory makes up for all the pain and agony that I went through after my defeat at the world championships,” said Chong Wei in a telephone interview.

Chong Wei carried Malaysia's great hope to end a 30-year wait for a world title but he went down in a most uncharacteristic fashion to Indonesian Sony Dwi Kuncoro in the third round.

“It was very important for me to get back on my feet after the world championships. All my hard work has paid off,” he said.

“This time, there was no disturbance from anyone and I was really focused on the tasks at hand. I had a tough draw and I played every match with determination to prove to myself that I am still a good player. At this moment, I just feel very, very satisfied.”

The win yesterday certainly did not come easy for the world number four. After losing the first game narrowly, the unseeded Taufik made a spectacular comeback, winning eight consecutive points to take a 17-15 lead before going on to force a rubber.

In the decider, Chong Wei bounced back strongly to take a 19-13 lead but Taufik looked as though he would spoil the party for Malaysian. But Chong Wei pressed home the advantage.

“Taufik just did not want to give up. I did not want to come this far and lose. Fortunately, I held on for a victory. It feels good to win my third title this year (after the Indonesian and the Philippines Opens),” said Chong Wei, who won US$16,000 for his efforts.

Misbun was pleased with Chong Wei's overall performances and he wants the player to ride on the success.

“We cannot predict when and how Taufik will attack but Chong Wei did well to retrieve many of the tricky shots. Chong Wei was strong in the head and handled the tense situation well. This will see him going far in future tournament,” said Misbun.

“I am not telling that he is superior right now but he had indicated here that he is still a true fighter. No many can make a quick rebound from a debacle such as one in the world championships. But I am glad, Chong Wei has come out of it.”
Chong Wei next tournament is the Taiwan Open, which begins on Wednesday in Taipeh.

Have you been on the Vimto?

Taufik-ist, you do -- Taufik, your hero played estremely well. I am impressed -- so I won't ask you to eat your words.:D

That 's showing sportsmanship and amazing class by itself. :)

Tina actually defeated 4 Chinese players. 3 representing China and 1 representing Germany. I'm happy for her:)

Her performance is just as impressive as LCW, its not everyday you get to defeat ranking playes back to back to back and win the championship. Bravo TR an LCW - Hats off to you two:)

Tina actually defeated 4 Chinese players. 3 representing China and 1 representing Germany. I'm happy for her:)
Actually 4 chinese ( Jiang, ZN, LL and XXF)and 1 ex chinese for Germany

I am sorry I cannot agree with you that he is not under pressure. When you have two of the world's best players at you one after another, there is pressure (a lot). He has shown he can handle that if he has his mind on it. In the WC, Sony was clearly at his best and caught LCW on the back foot and don't forget LCW mentioned that had YKH on his mind too. The pressue was really from YKH -- he said that. LCW has never ever said the fans put him on pressure.

LCW did mentioned today that there wasn't any disturbance during his preparation for the JO 2007. BAM needs to learn that sometimes too much intervention creates turmoil and since LCW is emotionally fragile, he needs positive reinforcement.

Actually 4 chinese ( Jiang, ZN, LL and XXF)and 1 ex chinese for Germany

That even makes it more amazing :)

A win is a win is a win, even if the game was won by one point...Granted there is concern that LCW could not close the game leading 19-14 and allow TH to come back, but then we admire the fighting spirit and shows how great a player TH can be if he wants to.
To undermine LCW performance and winning shows how shallow people can be...if there is any talk of tiredness, it would be LCW who must be physically and mentally very, very tired, having to face/overcome the daunting task of taking on CJ, LD and a superb TH in a row...LCW is 100% deserving of this win, as he is only player having to go through the most challenging path to winning it all in JO07.
I hope LCW skip the next Open to allow time to rest and enjoy this win...To quote Camilla Martin phrase of china wall, I add CHN wall and INA icon to this path, i.e. a great playing TH...folks this feat we just witnessed (i.e. going through 3 great top players in a row especially after a lowsy performance in WC07) does not happen often, so it is not fair to undermine LCW.
I wish LCW could continue to play this way up to OLY but to expect him to perform miracle everytime is too much to ask for and should LCW falter, hope the same fans would not bash him...and with TH playing so well, that bodes well for badminton and especially for OLY08 we are all in for a treat and a feast, hahaha!!!...LD is still the one to beat but the pressure at OLY08 for the entire CHN squad and esp LD (CHN first OLYand every gold medal is a must target for CHN, now who the heck say, OLY is just one event that is rubbish, OLY08 meant everything for CHN!!! and every player goal is to win it cos it defines his status, reap bigtime reward far more than any Open winning $$ and heck! OLY occurs once in 4 years, most player has one kick to do, that's it) must be bigtime, TH has already won one and has nothing to lose, LCW playing so well, not to forget Arup, Sony, Simon, Bonsak, aging KJ and PG (still playing well) that is a real treat to CHN. Suddenly, we see some parity in baddy, at least for the next little while...I hope. :D


I'm glad someone was following the entire tournament - well said :)

Badminton: Chong Wei redeems pride with win at the Japan Open
By RAJES PAUL
PETALING JAYA: National number one Lee Chong Wei restored his pride by winning the Japan Open title for the first time in sensational fashion in Tokyo yesterday.
In contrast to his disastrous performances in the World Championships last month, a rejuvenated Chong Wei dished out a classy show to beat Indonesian superstar Taufik Hidayat 22-20, 19-21, 21-19 in the men's singles final. The match saw brilliant performances from both players in the 65-minute battle.
http://www.thestar.com.my/archives/2007/9/17/sports/s_pg63chongwei.jpg National number one Lee Chong Wei
It was Chong Wei's second win over Taufik this year. The first was in the semi-finals of the China Masters in July and then, it was the first time too in two years that he had beaten the Olympic champion.
With the win, Chong Wei becomes the second player under the charge of Misbun Sidek to win the Japan Open after Mohd Roslin Hashim in 2001.
By claiming the Japan Open title, Chong Wei has nailed the first of his “Big Four” on the international stage. He also wants to be the champion in the World Championships, Olympics and the All-England.
“This victory makes up for all the pain and agony that I went through after my defeat at the world championships,” said Chong Wei in a telephone interview.
Chong Wei carried Malaysia's great hope to end a 30-year wait for a world title but he went down in a most uncharacteristic fashion to Indonesian Sony Dwi Kuncoro in the third round.
“It was very important for me to get back on my feet after the world championships. All my hard work has paid off,” he said.
“This time, there was no disturbance from anyone and I was really focused on the tasks at hand. I had a tough draw and I played every match with determination to prove to myself that I am still a good player. At this moment, I just feel very, very satisfied.”
The win yesterday certainly did not come easy for the world number four. After losing the first game narrowly, the unseeded Taufik made a spectacular comeback, winning eight consecutive points to take a 17-15 lead before going on to force a rubber.
In the decider, Chong Wei bounced back strongly to take a 19-13 lead but Taufik looked as though he would spoil the party for Malaysian. But Chong Wei pressed home the advantage.
“Taufik just did not want to give up. I did not want to come this far and lose. Fortunately, I held on for a victory. It feels good to win my third title this year (after the Indonesian and the Philippines Opens),” said Chong Wei, who won US$16,000 for his efforts.
Misbun was pleased with Chong Wei's overall performances and he wants the player to ride on the success.
“We cannot predict when and how Taufik will attack but Chong Wei did well to retrieve many of the tricky shots. Chong Wei was strong in the head and handled the tense situation well. This will see him going far in future tournament,” said Misbun.
“I am not telling that he is superior right now but he had indicated here that he is still a true fighter. No many can make a quick rebound from a debacle such as one in the world championships. But I am glad, Chong Wei has come out of it.”
Chong Wei next tournament is the Taiwan Open, which begins on Wednesday in Taipeh.

I dont fink TH was totally outplayed by LCW... Both are even on skills wise..


Skills wise and natural talent wise...TH totally out does LCW. TH has natural skill, he has a pot belly from drinking at the bar too much and he still can play at that level @@. Not to mention he gets into bar fights often as well.

Skills wise and natural talent wise...TH totally out does LCW. TH has natural skill, he has a pot belly from drinking at the bar too much and he still can play at that level @@. Not to mention he gets into bar fights often as well.
How do you know that TH gets into bar fights?.....pls verify!!!
As I have not heard of these cases in any Indonesia media outlets....I hope this is not " a make-up story".....

congrat LCW....i know he will back :D

Congratulations to Chong Wei and to X Ball who continues to have great faith in him.

Not forgetting too, Tine Rasmussem of Denmark, who had always impressed me until her ankle injury in one Singapore Open put her back a couple of years.

Both LCW and TR have proven in this JO that the Chinese Wall can be penetrated! What a fantastic day for world badminton! :)

I wish I could watch their matches though as they are not televised live in Singapore, no thanks to ESPN and StarHub! :mad::mad::mad:

Yes I agree all fans will be the same, but LCW cannot stand it.... Believe me, in JO he come as an underdog, see that his draw etc. That is why he can be a winner, no much pressure from media and his fans....
Precisely, you are bang on. As I said, LCW plays better when he is the underdog and when people do not put too high expectation and pressure him.

Skills wise and natural talent wise...TH totally out does LCW. TH has natural skill, he has a pot belly from drinking at the bar too much and he still can play at that level @@. Not to mention he gets into bar fights often as well.

hey.. where did you hear/get that news from ?
TH never gets into a bar fight.. TH is a nice person you know.. if he ever did before, i would be the one who know that in the first time :D
please.. do respect him !! :mad:

'By claiming the Japan Open title, Chong Wei has nailed the first of his “Big Four” on the international stage. He also wants to be the champion in the World Championships, Olympics and the All-England. ' Thestar.com.my

Impressive win, the way he beat Lin Dan and Chen Jin...and fought Taufik for all he's worth. Although LCW's lapse made TH take the 2nd game, he still absorbed TH's attack well in the 3rd game. He should know better since LCW himself fought back from 20-13 to beat Lin Dan in the 3rd set @ 2006 Malaysian Open.

I notice a trend, when Chong Wei lose a super series tournament, he bounced back to win the next one.

So my theory is if he lose a tournament before the olympics, All England and WC, he could go on and win the 3 elusive titles.

Also I noticed the Superseries games are strung pretty close together, the players have little time to prepare well in advance. Next year it's even worse, Olympics, Thomas cup, All England, WC....etc.

It's like soccer, when Top clubs compete for Country, League (club) and Champions league (eg europe) ....maybe skipping the Indian open for LCW was a blessing in disguise....

not yet, please select your choice:
a. taufik is the best in JO 2007 though LCW is the winner
b. taufik is the best in JO 2007 but LCW is the winner
c. taufik is the best and LCW is the winner

forgive me, just for fun
my pick is c

i pick no choice :D :D... i respect both players.. both are the winners

Skills wise and natural talent wise...TH totally out does LCW. TH has natural skill, he has a pot belly from drinking at the bar too much and he still can play at that level @@. Not to mention he gets into bar fights often as well.


Pls do not give bad image to TH for something he never does....RESPECT HIM!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

'By claiming the Japan Open title, Chong Wei has nailed the first of his “Big Four” on the international stage. He also wants to be the champion in the World Championships, Olympics and the All-England. ' Thestar.com.my

Impressive win, the way he beat Lin Dan and Chen Jin...and fought Taufik for all he's worth. Although LCW's lapse made TH take the 2nd game, he still absorbed TH's attack well in the 3rd game. He should know better since LCW himself fought back from 20-13 to beat Lin Dan in the 3rd set @ 2006 Malaysian Open.

I notice a trend, when Chong Wei lose a super series tournament, he bounced back to win the next one.

So my theory is if he lose a tournament before the olympics, All England and WC, he could go on and win the 3 elusive titles.

Also I noticed the Superseries games are strung pretty close together, the players have little time to prepare well in advance. Next year it's even worse, Olympics, Thomas cup, All England, WC....etc.

It's like soccer, when Top clubs compete for Country, League (club) and Champions league (eg europe) ....maybe skipping the Indian open for LCW was a blessing in disguise....

you can just say LCW are still inconsistent :D

hey.. where did you hear/get that news from ?
TH never gets into a bar fight.. TH is a nice person you know.. if he ever did before, i would be the one who know that in the first time :D
please.. do respect him !! :mad:

I agree that, unless one has real evidence, one should not bring disrepute to players and put them in bad light, especially for an Olympic and WC champion like Taufik!

I think the writer should apologize if his claims are untrue! :(

Skills wise and natural talent wise...TH totally out does LCW. TH has natural skill, he has a pot belly from drinking at the bar too much and he still can play at that level @@. Not to mention he gets into bar fights often as well.

Of course TH's has the best talent and skills. But in terms of hard work and determination, LCW and LD is better.
And right now, LCW should prove his ability in the bigger tournaments. Gambate!

He has shown that he is the greatest today. No need to say anymore. He is in the league of champions.

Congratulations.

Deliver the WC or Olympic Gold then he can be in the same category as Lin Dan and Taufik.

hes just lucky lin dan was tired after winnning WC :D


hahahaha, stirrer ! LD is not unbeatable. He and XXF will find it hard fromnow on.

you can just say LCW are still inconsistent :D
Compare LCW vs TH , who is the most inconsistent ? they both failed at WC in early rounds.. While LCW win Philipines open, TH?? first round casualty.
JO.. who is the winner? :p

Compare LCW vs TH , who is the most inconsistent ? they both failed at WC in early rounds.. While LCW win Philipines open, TH?? first round casualty.
JO.. who is the winner? :p

he.. man..

i just concluded badmintan's post :D..

i never said TH is more consistent than lcw ;)

enjoy your euforia while it still lasts :)

Hi X Ball,

A great tournament for Lee Chong Wei. :):):)

Having to beat HH, RS, CJ, LD and TH to win the JO 2007 shows how great he is.

And we hope there will be lots more to come for him.

Cheers... chris@ccc


Cheers. I am happy he won. Despite allowing Taufik to catch up, he stil won. Taufik was able to catch up because LCW made a few mistakes (obviously this will happen when one is tired).

It proved one thing regardless of what was painted by his detractors, he is beat LD, CJ, Taufik and he did it in style by beating all in a row. What an achievement (PJSWIFT was right !).

Chris, this is not a fluke so expect more of coourse.

Sigh, to clean up my post i will state here what i said to HuangKwokHau, the source of TH getting into bar fights was from my friend who follows Taufik religiously, and if i wanted to Taufik into bad light would i say he has more natural talent and skill than LCW? Think about it guys. In the mean time i will ask my friend where did he source the bar fighting from

ok 1 more to add on
a. taufik is the best in JO 2007 though LCW is the winner
b. taufik is the best in JO 2007 but LCW is the winner
c. taufik is the best and LCW is the winner
d. taufik is the best because he did not maximise net-hitting in G3 and LCW is the winner
e. taufik is NOI the best and LCW is NOT the winner
f. LCW has proven he is the best in the JO

forgive me, just for fun
my pick is f and nothing short of that.:) .......

That 's showing sportsmanship and amazing class by itself. :)


Always try to be, even though I sound arrogant at times which is really just having fun but not really poking anyone unless it is against an arrogant person.:D

he.. man..

i just concluded badmintan's post :D..

i never said TH is more consistent than lcw ;)

enjoy your euforia while it still lasts :)

I know.. Just teasing you with ur nameshake.. :p:p

Congratulations to Chong Wei and to X Ball who continues to have great faith in him.

Not forgetting too, Tine Rasmussem of Denmark, who had always impressed me until her ankle injury in one Singapore Open put her back a couple of years.

Both LCW and TR have proven in this JO that the Chinese Wall can be penetrated! What a fantastic day for world badminton! :)

I wish I could watch their matches though as they are not televised live in Singapore, no thanks to ESPN and StarHub! :mad::mad::mad:


Cheers. I am enjoying badminton a lot more now.;)

Deliver the WC or Olympic Gold then he can be in the same category as Lin Dan and Taufik.

Of course, Rome was not built in a day. LCW will get there, the thing to take to heart is that he is able to mix it with the top 2 (LD & Taufik). From here, he has a chance.

he.. man..

i just concluded badmintan's post :D..

i never said TH is more consistent than lcw ;)

enjoy your euforia while it still lasts :)]

Taufik, you were claerly caught with your pants down by Samuel with that comment. If you did not say TH ismore consistent, then why bring out the fact that LCW is less consistent. Actually, who is really that consistent ? Perhaps near consistent is what we can say about LD (the best accolade LD will get from me).

Of course, Rome was not built in a day. LCW will get there, the thing to take to heart is that he is able to mix it with the top 2 (LD & Taufik). From here, he has a chance.

In LCW's case, the lad still need to prove that he is able to take the expectations and pressures. I like what I saw in LCW yesterday. His defense was good. However, he is still suspect on the mental aspect of the game.

he.. man..
i just concluded badmintan's post :D..
i never said TH is more consistent than lcw ;)
enjoy your euforia while it still lasts :)
Taufik is consistently inconsistent but Lee Chong Wei is inconsistently consistent. Probably, the difference between the duo is that Taufik is more consistent in big occasions at most of the time.

Taufik is consistently inconsistent but Lee Chong Wei is inconsistently consistent. Probably, the difference between the duo is that Taufik is more consistent in big occasions at most of the time.

LCW is inconsistent because there are just too much pressures and expectations on him. ;)

Maybe for him to be consistent is to change nationality to Fiji, because badminton is not popular there unlike rugby. So, less pressures and expectations.:D

Cheers. I am enjoying badminton a lot more now.;)
...i, we, all know you are, X Ball..beaming, i may add;)..:)..;)..
*Btw, is your lunch deal still on with indra and/or taufik-ist??..Nasi Padang, here comes X Ball..:D;)

Why are there so much vibes going in here? All all we know, TH and LCW are both laughing their asses off reading all these posts. Besides, they are best of friends, and they both played one of the best badminton match we have seen in the SS final. Both of them came to win and played their hearts out... and eventually there can only be ONE MS champion per event. I am sure they are happy with the results after such a good show, irregardless who churned out as champ. Cheers!!!

Just come back from traveling out of town....

Wow ...LCW...won and defeated LD and TH...What an excellent achievement and performance....After I looked at the score, ...I guess it must have been a tough match!!! ANyhow....congrats to LCW and all LCW fans...

OK it is getting clear now....LCW is getting more and more "lethal"....TH should be now "beware" of him....

OK...I hope the TH vs LCW showdown will happen again in Taiwan....

Once again....big congratulations to LCW!!!

Chong Wei was a bit lucky to have won the 1st game but a bit unlucky to have won it in rubber games.
(ok robin7, i might be a bit slow in understanding this statement):p..but do you mind "rationalizing" this for us, at the least myself??..:confused::cool:

(ok robin7, i might be a bit slow in understanding this statement):p..but do you mind "rationalizing" this for us, at the least myself??..:confused::cool:


What he meant was LCW should have won it in the 2nd coz in the 2nd he was leading by a lot and then capitulated.

LCW is inconsistent because there are just too much pressures and expectations on him. ;)

Maybe for him to be consistent is to change nationality to Fiji, because badminton is not popular there unlike rugby. So, less pressures and expectations.:D

wakakakakak:D:D:D:D:D:D:D........

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forgive me, just for fun
my pick is f and nothing short of that.:) .......
sorry to all bmt fans n bcers, personally i only support lcw. he is the winner of jo2007. but i have to admit that lcw is one of the 3 musketeers including taufik n lin dan.......no wonder who will win in coming tourneys, they deserve 3 best ms players in the world.......regret to fans of those big names if i haven't mentioned:)

you can just say LCW are still inconsistent :D

But it's not that easy to be consistent with the rally point system (21 points)....There is no 'Tiger Woods' in Badminton who sweep everthing before him.
The only person[s] in MS close to it is Lin Dan and arguably Bao ChunLai from China, although remarkably, Bao ChunLai managed to rank so high consistently without winning the finals apart from Korea Open'06.

Even though they are 'consistent' they still suffer from shock loss..early in the round for example,

Bao lost to Boonsak in 1st round..JO'07
Lin Dan lost to Susilo in Olympics '04..and to Boonsak in SO'07

even your idol or hero, Taufik lost to Anup Sridhar in WC'07....
and of course LCW lost to Sony in WC'07

But I think it's fair to say, that those who are in the top 10 are considered consistent. So logically LCW is a consistent badminton player together with the other 9 players in top ten.

But it's not that easy to be consistent with the rally point system (21 points)....There is no 'Tiger Woods' in Badminton who sweep everthing before him.
The only person[s] in MS close to it is Lin Dan and arguably Bao ChunLai from China, although remarkably, Bao ChunLai managed to rank so high consistently without winning the finals apart from Korea Open'06.

Even though they are 'consistent' they still suffer from shock loss..early in the round for example,

Bao lost to Boonsak in 1st round..JO'07
Lin Dan lost to Susilo in Olympics '04..and to Boonsak in SO'07

even your idol or hero, Taufik lost to Anup Sridhar in WC'07....
and of course LCW lost to Sony in WC'07

But I think it's fair to say, that those who are in the top 10 are considered consistent. So logically LCW is a consistent badminton player together with the other 9 players in top ten.

To separate them from the players like Rudy Hartono, Yang Yang, Alan Kopp who are really consistent, I would use the term 'near or nearly' consistent.

But it's not that easy to be consistent with the rally point system (21 points)....There is no 'Tiger Woods' in Badminton who sweep everthing before him.
The only person[s] in MS close to it is Lin Dan and arguably Bao ChunLai from China, although remarkably, Bao ChunLai managed to rank so high consistently without winning the finals apart from Korea Open'06.

Even though they are 'consistent' they still suffer from shock loss..early in the round for example,

Bao lost to Boonsak in 1st round..JO'07
Lin Dan lost to Susilo in Olympics '04..and to Boonsak in SO'07

even your idol or hero, Taufik lost to Anup Sridhar in WC'07....
and of course LCW lost to Sony in WC'07

But I think it's fair to say, that those who are in the top 10 are considered consistent. So logically LCW is a consistent badminton player together with the other 9 players in top ten.

a consistent player must win at least 3 tournamnet in a row .. and lin dan is good example he can win more than 3 tournaments in a row, we can call him as a consistent player :).. :D :D

Why are there so much vibes going in here? All all we know, TH and LCW are both laughing their asses off reading all these posts. Besides, they are best of friends, and they both played one of the best badminton match we have seen in the SS final. Both of them came to win and played their hearts out... and eventually there can only be ONE MS champion per event. I am sure they are happy with the results after such a good show, irregardless who churned out as champ. Cheers!!!
True. TH was not disappointed despite losing a tight match to LCW. TH was all smile after the match & during the prize ceremony. I believe that TH was satisfied with his performance & was happy for LCW.

Next year it's even worse, Olympics, Thomas cup, All England, WC....etc.
Brother, no WC for next year due to Olympic.

What he meant was LCW should have won it in the 2nd coz in the 2nd he was leading by a lot and then capitulated.

The same thing almost happened in 3rd set. But at least he won.

The same thing almost happened in 3rd set. But at least he won.


I watched that again and it was mostly LCW making mistakes, smashing out. It was fatigue.

A lot of people said a lot of things. But if you look at it in perspectives, LCW was not that bad even at the end, just tired.

He took off in the 3rd and led by quite a bit (obviously he was able to use his energy to convert). Then I think fatigue crept into his play where he lost a bit of patience and smashed out of courts. Taufik took advantage.

But the fact is he had a commanding lead so was always the better player to be able to do that.

To be honest, most people will be happy when their national hero wins. I am sure that all of us are happy but equally we should respect the other opponent, what is badminton without LD and TH to give a good fight? I look forward to LCW to win everytime, but I equally enjoy watching LD and TH plays.:)

So let's be honest, yes LCW won, we are all happy, but still we have to get on with life. There's Taiwan open next week, I don't think we will be satisfied with him winning JO only, so yes he still needs to prove his mettle...to his fans!

To be honest, most people will be happy when their national hero wins. I am sure that all of us are happy but equally we should respect the other opponent, what is badminton without LD and TH to give a good fight? I look forward to LCW to win everytime, but I equally enjoy watching LD and TH plays.:)

So let's be honest, yes LCW won, we are all happy, but still we have to get on with life. There's Taiwan open next week, I don't think we will be satisfied with him winning JO only, so yes he still needs to prove his mettle...to his fans!


You are talking about his 'mettle' in the future. I am talking about now - has he not prove his mettle ? Is it so hard to understand ?

TH was not disappointed despite losing a tight match to LCW. TH was all smile after the match & during the prize ceremony. I believe that TH was satisfied with his performance & was happy for LCW.

Yeah, TH was happy because LCW smashed LD's a** :p

I realised that LCW dont really use much backhand compared to TH.But still it made TH skidding around the court

Lovely match!!

X Ball, you seems defensive yet sarcastic in a topic discussion like this.

May I know where on earth in the heading of your topic for discussion is indicating that you are talking about current not future?? Secondly what is wrong with talking about his 'mettle in the future'. I am posting my thoughts and not answering your question so back off from unnecessary comments.


You are talking about his 'mettle' in the future. I am talking about now - has he not prove his mettle ? Is it so hard to understand ?

I realised that LCW dont really use much backhand compared to TH.But still it made TH skidding around the court

Lovely match!!
Great observation. And I love the description 'TH skidding around the court'!What is more refreshing is TH did that for 65 mins, 50% longer than his usual 43 mins. And this in the final. TH is back to work and real fitness! That's the second best news. The best news is LCW defeated a truly motivated and fit TH, not a lame one like last year. This indicates LCW 's play has gone up another level.
Now he should hope for at least two more opportunities of tough draws, hopefully one where he gets to meet TH first before LD like the CM07.That would be good training for OG08.

Great observation. And I love the description 'TH skidding around the court'!What is more refreshing is TH did that for 65 mins, 50% longer than his usual 43 mins. And this in the final. TH is back to work and real fitness! That's the second best news. The best news is LCW defeated a truly motivated and fit TH, not a lame one like last year. This indicates LCW 's play has gone up another level.
Now he should hope for at least two more opportunities of tough draws, hopefully one where he gets to meet TH first before LD like the CM07.That would be good training for OG08.
LCW sure gain increased confidence playing TH and LD, and that is good for all baddy fans, not just MAS fans...it is the lesser ranked players that I am concern with when LCW face in the early rounds.

Great observation. And I love the description 'TH skidding around the court'!What is more refreshing is TH did that for 65 mins, 50% longer than his usual 43 mins. And this in the final. TH is back to work and real fitness! That's the second best news. The best news is LCW defeated a truly motivated and fit TH, not a lame one like last year. This indicates LCW 's play has gone up another level.
Now he should hope for at least two more opportunities of tough draws, hopefully one where he gets to meet TH first before LD like the CM07.That would be good training for OG08.

I think he now knows that he can handle LD and Taufik - in his interview with the press, he mentioned that. His fitness is the thing that makes the difference in his match against Taufik - you can almost feel he is not going to crumble even when the points were narrowing in the 3rd game.

You cannot beat LD or Taufik if you have not work out how to. I look at the matches in JO and I could see he has stepped up his workrate, back to same when he played in the IO. It is furiously fast and much fewer mistakes, except at the end of the 2nd and 3rd (more due to fatigue) where his smashes were carried wide a few times.

Yes I agree, he needs to meet these guys more often to be sure he is ready for the Olympics next year. What a thrill this is going to be now that he is in form.

In LCW's case, the lad still need to prove that he is able to take the expectations and pressures. I like what I saw in LCW yesterday. His defense was good. However, he is still suspect on the mental aspect of the game.
It's wonderful to note your first, if guarded, compliments for LCW.Finally the inspector is moved a little.
There's nothing wrong with his mental stamina.His tactics did not work out.TH switched to high serve end of G3.(Any idea why?)
With 6 match points, attacking or netting to close makes sense.What LCW may want to remember in future is not to go for the lines in smashing.Fatigue had set in by the end of G3.He was tired and surely his opponent must be in a similar state.Chances of perfect smash on the line is almost nil in the fatigue state. Why gift his opponent? Smash well within court and let his equally tired opponent make the error on defence.

Pemuda, your comments on his mental toughness may not hold anymore, even Misbun said to the press that LCW was tough mentally.

In fact, LCW said he was not going to lose (in G3) because he had come so far - a sign of fighting spirit.

It was not easy for LCW to win the match after losing the 2nd game when having a huge lead. I thought he's gonna lose when he couldn't finish the match in the 2nd game. But yet he just showed he's mentally tough to win the match and finally he did.

I agreed with pjswift that he should've not taken risky shots when fatigue during match points.

It could've been better if LCW won it in straight sets.

I agreed with pjswift that he should've not taken risky shots when fatigue during match points.

It could've been better if LCW won it in straight sets.

On hindsight, it is easy to say. If those shots had gone in, he could have 'roamed' in.:D

On hindsight, it is easy to say. If those shots had gone in, he could have 'roamed' in.:D

But while a player are under extreme pressure.. A simple shots can be just hit wide abnormally :rolleyes:

But while a player are under extreme pressure.. A simple shots can be just hit wide abnormally :rolleyes:

So you disagree with my statement ? :mad::D

It is now getting more difficult to predict who will win the Olympic....

I am sure LD, TH and LCW will be happy to meet in the final round. I am sure each of them will hate to meet each other in earlier rounds. It's like the Morten, Liem Swie King, and Han Jian era.

However, the most "vulnerable" of the three is in my opinion LCW.

LCW may feel confident now to defeat all Chinesse second-tier shuttlers, but LCW still has unfinished business with Sony and Simon and Bonsaak...

TH, LD may not be problems anymore for LCW now....but SOny and Simon will be his "real enemies" as these two guys may burry LCW's dream of meeting LD/TH...

It is now getting more difficult to predict who will win the Olympic....

I am sure LD, TH and LCW will be happy to meet in the final round. I am sure each of them will hate to meet each other in earlier rounds. It's like the Morten, Liem Swie King, and Han Jian era.

However, the most "vulnerable" of the three is in my opinion LCW.

LCW may feel confident now to defeat all Chinesse second-tier shuttlers, but LCW still has unfinished business with Sony and Simon and Bonsaak...

TH, LD may not be problems anymore for LCW now....but SOny and Simon will be his "real enemies" as these two guys may burry LCW's dream of meeting LD/TH...

Well Sony and Simon are doing well. But I think Hafiz and Wong Choon Han are still able to beat them -- so before they get to meet LCW, they will have to defeat Hafiz and Choon Han.

But this is a lot of suppositions. :D

[quote=indra;665039]It is now getting more difficult to predict who will win the Olympic.... totally agree

I am sure LD, TH and LCW will be happy to meet in the final round. I am sure each of them will hate to meet each other in earlier rounds. It's like the Morten, Liem Swie King, and Han Jian era. admit

However, the most "vulnerable" of the three is in my opinion LCW.
not really
i agree it is still vulnerable but taufik is facing the same problem
pls check the records of individual competitions recently
taufik - pg (si2007) bcl (io2007) lcw (co2007) ntm (po2007) anup(wc2007) lcw (jo2007)
lcw - hh (si2007) ld (co2007) sk (wc2007)
LCW may feel confident now to defeat all Chinesse second-tier shuttlers, but LCW still has unfinished business with Sony and Simon and Bonsaak...
he defeated ss in io2007
TH, LD may not be problems anymore for LCW now....but SOny and Simon will be his "real enemies" as these two guys may burry LCW's dream of meeting LD/TH...
agree, not only sony and simon, there are a lot more hide in dark corners ready to create an upset, these 3 top palyers must be careful indeed
i just like to spare my opinion, of course it's good to have different point of view, correct me if i am wrong:)

[quote=indra;665039]It is now getting more difficult to predict who will win the Olympic.... totally agree

I am sure LD, TH and LCW will be happy to meet in the final round. I am sure each of them will hate to meet each other in earlier rounds. It's like the Morten, Liem Swie King, and Han Jian era. admit

:mad::mad:


Agree too.. It is not easy to get a draw which can separate those three musketeers in any major tournaments..

It is now getting more difficult to predict who will win the Olympic....

I am sure LD, TH and LCW will be happy to meet in the final round. I am sure each of them will hate to meet each other in earlier rounds. It's like the Morten, Liem Swie King, and Han Jian era.

However, the most "vulnerable" of the three is in my opinion LCW.

LCW may feel confident now to defeat all Chinesse second-tier shuttlers, but LCW still has unfinished business with Sony and Simon and Bonsaak...

TH, LD may not be problems anymore for LCW now....but SOny and Simon will be his "real enemies" as these two guys may burry LCW's dream of meeting LD/TH...
Disagree 100%.
Of the 3, TH is mentally unshakeable and most confident.If his fitness is 99%,he would be hard to beat and only LCW can match him.
LCW is also mentally unshakeable and second most confident. He just needs to experiment more and improve on his tactics and incorporate minor variations to his play (just to make the most recent video instalment obsolete);he will be hard to defeat.He can only be beaten if he gets lazy and plays predictable badminton. Just outspeeding his opponents give him the edge.
LD's key problem is his mental state. He can be a goner in no time if he's dictated to during play.His confidence is most vulnerable and once shaken, he's mentally lost.
Sony to beat LCW again? Highly unlikely when they are both equally fresh. Sure he may beat LCW in Taiwan cos he's fresher (this being LCW's 3rd tournament in a row).But I don't think BAM will be dumb enough to schedule a local 'tune-up' tournament again just before OG08 like Kedah Open before JO.(come to think of it, it's a miracle LCW won JO07 on 3/4 tank.)But who knows, BAM may want to have fun with its players' chances and do it again for OG08?
Anyway LCW has proven his better ability to produce desired outcome when there's 'no disturbance' within BAM's control.

This is starting to go around in a circle...

This is starting to go around in a circle...
Will be delighted to get some education from you. Do share some of your wisdom and stop the merry go round pronto.

A title for Lee received more than 10 pages of thread here about him in BC.. Lets said iF he manage to win an OG Gold.. :eek::eek:Hopes this forum still stand strong;)

Will be delighted to get some education from you. Do share some of your wisdom and stop the merry go round pronto.

Hey, education is best taught hands on. Have a skim through the thread and make a summary of the 160-strong replies and you will see a pattern emerging:

1. LCW is the best.
2. TH is the best.
3. LD is the best.
4. If player A cannot beat player B/C, he can't win.

Repeat ad nauseum.

Disagree 100%.
Of the 3, TH is mentally unshakeable and most confident.If his fitness is 99%,he would be hard to beat and only LCW can match him.
LCW is also mentally unshakeable and second most confident. He just needs to experiment more and improve on his tactics and incorporate minor variations to his play (just to make the most recent video instalment obsolete);he will be hard to defeat.He can only be beaten if he gets lazy and plays predictable badminton. Just outspeeding his opponents give him the edge.
LD's key problem is his mental state. He can be a goner in no time if he's dictated to during play.His confidence is most vulnerable and once shaken, he's mentally lost.
Sony to beat LCW again? Highly unlikely when they are both equally fresh. Sure he may beat LCW in Taiwan cos he's fresher (this being LCW's 3rd tournament in a row).But I don't think BAM will be dumb enough to schedule a local 'tune-up' tournament again just before OG08 like Kedah Open before JO.(come to think of it, it's a miracle LCW won JO07 on 3/4 tank.)But who knows, BAM may want to have fun with its players' chances and do it again for OG08?
Anyway LCW has proven his better ability to produce desired outcome when there's 'no disturbance' within BAM's control.i would still give TH the mental advantages going into the 08 OG. In JO, TH's comeback in the rubber set was quite amzaing. If it weren't for the string breakage, the score would have been 20-20. The momentum was on the TH's side.

i would still give TH the mental advantages going into the 08 OG. In JO, TH's comeback in the rubber set was quite amzaing. If it weren't for the string breakage, the score would have been 20-20. The momentum was on the TH's side.
agree taufik is 1 of 3 muskeeters n i admire his play was amazing, but fact is fact that nothing could be claimed once the game was over. there is only 1 winner!!!

Hey, education is best taught hands on. Have a skim through the thread and make a summary of the 160-strong replies and you will see a pattern emerging:

1. LCW is the best.
2. TH is the best.
3. LD is the best.
4. If player A cannot beat player B/C, he can't win.

Repeat ad nauseum.


Man, that is why it is going round in a circle because we can't come to a conclusive end. And you should know, this is going to be so for many threads to come.

For me, the difference in opinions is worth noting even though it is tiring debating unendingly. And it is fun arguing with Taufik-ist who knows nothing except badminton.:D

Conclusive end? Nein.

But some new angle on the issue or topic, be it a different perspective or even a joke would be better, don't you think? Cooler's bit on 'string breakage interfering with TH's momentum' sounds weird (to me at least) but is a different angle on what was already being spoken. And it doesn't sound petty either.

Conclusive end? Nein.

But some new angle on the issue or topic, be it a different perspective or even a joke would be better, don't you think? Cooler's bit on 'string breakage interfering with TH's momentum' sounds weird (to me at least) but is a different angle on what was already being spoken. And it doesn't sound petty either.


Cooler, please change your attitude coz I agree with Wilfredlgf - you are becoming humdrum.:D

No no, I actually find Cooler's little angle interesting if not very possible.

No no, I actually find Cooler's little angle interesting if not very possible.


Ok Sorry Cooler. I misread.

Well guys i think that i can go both ways.Even if TH did not break his string it would be a awesome match to watch.Try to be in their shoes, i dont think i would be that easy to handle.

Both are good players, it was a fair fight and LCW won.Nevertheless, it is imperative that someone has to lose.It is a game. Someone will win and someone will lose. Have fun all the way.TH gave his best and LCW too.LCW, to my opinion has a lot more to prove.So it is a never ending battle for him till he decides to retire.I hope that LCW will continue to fight as winning JO is just the beginning.

Everyone has their own opinion dont be too sensitive about it.IF you belive that TH is a better player than so be it.I personally believe that TH and LCW both have their own gifts on the court.There are ups and down being a world class player.Even Tiger woods did fell.

Cheer up guys and chill!!!

Have a great week!!!

Well guys i think that i can go both ways.Even if TH did not break his string it would be a awesome match to watch.Try to be in their shoes, i dont think i would be that easy to handle.

Both are good players, it was a fair fight and LCW won.Nevertheless, it is imperative that someone has to lose.It is a game. Someone will win and someone will lose. Have fun all the way.TH gave his best and LCW too.LCW, to my opinion has a lot more to prove.So it is a never ending battle for him till he decides to retire.I hope that LCW will continue to fight as winning JO is just the beginning.

Everyone has their own opinion dont be too sensitive about it.IF you belive that TH is a better player than so be it.I personally believe that TH and LCW both have their own gifts on the court.There are ups and down being a world class player.Even Tiger woods did fell.

Cheer up guys and chill!!!

Have a great week!!!
good one, hoping that everyone read this with joy

Hi X Ball,

I haven't watched the JO 2007 matches yet, but only read reports on them.

The thing that impressed me was the second game of QF Match, LCW against CJ.

CJ was leading 16-12 in that second game, but LCW romped home for a 21-16 win.

Winning 9 points in a row against a World Top 10 Player . :cool::cool::cool:

Sometimes we tend to forget how LCW played in his earlier rounds, but only to remember how he played in the FINAL Match.

Cheers... chris@ccc

That's true Chris, but then again since LCW is pretty much a top world-level player, he can't really choose to just 'do well' in the tournament - he has to aim to win.

He achieved his aim, so the earlier rounds don't really matter anymore unless you're his coach or opponent player & coach.

i just finished watching the JO finals between taufik and LCW. all i have to say is, that should have been the kind of finals match that should grace the olympics. the skills shown. the mental strength to keep calm and follow the game plan. they played all out from the get go. even the first point in the first game was exciting. the way they played, both deserved to win but as fate has it, LCW was the winner. i would have been happy if either of them won. all three games was so thrilling. i think they both enjoyed the match. :D i get to see all the good stuff. the cool net plays, the aggresive smashes, the deceptive drop shots. all i can say is..excellent!!!!!

Hi X Ball,

I haven't watched the JO 2007 matches yet, but only read reports on them.

The thing that impressed me was the second game of QF Match, LCW against CJ.

CJ was leading 16-12 in that second game, but LCW romped home for a 21-16 win.

Winning 9 points in a row against a World Top 10 Player . :cool::cool::cool:

Sometimes we tend to forget how LCW played in his earlier rounds, but only to remember how he played in the FINAL Match.

Cheers... chris@ccc

Quite true. I did not get to watch that match because it was not on TV. But LCW is very good at that kind of thing (string together several points in a row) which makes me think he must have focused very hard to play that well -- hence mentally strong.

i just finished watching the JO finals between taufik and LCW. all i have to say is, that should have been the kind of finals match that should grace the olympics. the skills shown. the mental strength to keep calm and follow the game plan. they played all out from the get go. even the first point in the first game was exciting. the way they played, both deserved to win but as fate has it, LCW was the winner. i would have been happy if either of them won. all three games was so thrilling. i think they both enjoyed the match. :D i get to see all the good stuff. the cool net plays, the aggresive smashes, the deceptive drop shots. all i can say is..excellent!!!!!

I watched that twice.;) The fact that it was so close makes it good watching unlike some matches where the 3rd is dominated by a player. Yes I agree it could have gone either way but I was sure even when the gap narrowed in the 3rd, LCW was gonna win. Taufik was getting too many cheap points from LCW because LCW smashed out, and I knew one of those shots will go LCW's way.

What makes a champ: Intelligent athletes equal world champions
By : DR MOHD KHAIRI ZAWI, Kota Kinabalu
IT was most satisfying to see Lee Chong Wei winning the Japan Open final, which featured a match of exceptional quality.

Hopefully, this win will serve to "educate" the Malaysian public with regards to the complex nature of all variables involved in contributing to a winning sport performance.

Lee's victory came after his poor performance in the World Badminton Championships held in Kuala Lumpur.

Let us also hope there will be no report in the mainstream media of the athlete's sudden rediscovery of his mental strength and right attitude to enable him to win this title.

Within a month of the so-called insipid demonstration of both qualities that led to his failure during the World Championships, such reports would be most laughable.

Winning or losing in a sports competition results from the interaction of complex performance variables - there are multitudes of them.

It requires scientific research to identify the "right" variable that contributes to the cause; although anecdotal accounts often make pleasurable readings. No matter how well trained or prepared an athlete can be, they cannot win ALL the time.

This holds true at the highest level of sports performance. Asafa Powell (men's 100 metres world record holder), Tiger Woods (golf), Roger Federer (tennis), Nicol David (squash) and Brazil's soccer team are examples of such phenomena.

The single biggest reason for this is because other competitors are also well trained or prepared when they enter world-class competitions.

Recent literature has demonstrated that specific knowledge is a major performance variable that successfully discriminates successful athletes from their lesser-ranked counterparts, especially in individual sports.

What this means is, at the highest level of competition in most sports, the more successful athletes are the more intelligent ones.

What is most important for us to take note is that producing an intelligent athlete is very much in accordance with the mathematical law of living.

For athletes to develop intelligence in their sport, during the skill acquisition phases of their career, they should be regarded as an intellectual entity. Of critical importance is that, during the advanced stage of their career, they ought to be treated in a similarly intellectual manner by the immediate people surrounding them.

Do not expect humility from our world champions or world-class athletes. If we expect them to be humble, then we should not blame them if they are constantly humbled in high-level competitions.

World champions display lots of class because they are tactful but this is not the equivalent to humility.

CW should understand this statement now :"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind" - Dr. Seuss

You mean shouting "Lin Dan jiaa youu!!!" repeatedly doesn't help? :confused:

i would still give TH the mental advantages going into the 08 OG. In JO, TH's comeback in the rubber set was quite amzaing. If it weren't for the string breakage, the score would have been 20-20. The momentum was on the TH's side.
Agree with you TH is mentally No.1 and it's nice of you to compliment TH. But if it weren't for LCW's rash of match point errors, G3 might have ended with a 21-14 score.
However, the best treat is that it is 65 mins of breathtaking badminton, don't you think so?

I have another angle.

TH may be the most confident among the 3 but remember that unlike LCW, TH does not have the pressure from an entire country ready to "pounce" at him if he loses. I mean we all know of the amount of negative press he got for losing in the past. When he won the JO, I read something like "his win will help restore some of the public's faith in him after a disappointing performance in the WC". Could you believe that? After an amazing performance in the JO where he convincingly beat CJ, LD and TH, the Malaysian press would still bring up LCW's loss in the WC! In my opinion LCW is not getting enough credit for his efforts and achievements.

I think the reason why he performed well in the JO because of the support and encouragement he gets from his new coach. Perhaps Malaysian badminton fans and press should be more encouraging towards LCW and its other shuttlers. I also noticed that he seemed to have changed his style of play. Against LD, he was more patient and calculating. He did not rely on his smash as much as he did in the past. I think credit should go to Misbun for LCW's new and more patient play.

I think the reason why he performed well in the JO because of the support and encouragement he gets from his new coach.

Maybe that was the reason why. After watching the TH vs LCW match and part of the LD vs LCW match, I think that LCW was performing very well, his form is definitely better than Lin; TH seems to be at a very good form as well, but not as the explosive LCW. You can see LCW's movement around the court was so quick which you normally see Lin Dan does when he is fit.

I am not following closely with the Malaysian team, but is LCW the only top MS player at the moment? I only know that Wong Choong Hann is getting old, pretty much like Chen Hong in China. How about Hashim? Haven't seen him play a lot.

I have another angle.

TH may be the most confident among the 3 but remember that unlike LCW, TH does not have the pressure from an entire country ready to "pounce" at him if he loses. I mean we all know of the amount of negative press he got for losing in the past. When he won the JO, I read something like "his win will help restore some of the public's faith in him after a disappointing performance in the WC". Could you believe that? After an amazing performance in the JO where he convincingly beat CJ, LD and TH, the Malaysian press would still bring up LCW's loss in the WC! In my opinion LCW is not getting enough credit for his efforts and achievements.

I think the reason why he performed well in the JO because of the support and encouragement he gets from his new coach. Perhaps Malaysian badminton fans and press should be more encouraging towards LCW and its other shuttlers. I also noticed that he seemed to have changed his style of play. Against LD, he was more patient and calculating. He did not rely on his smash as much as he did in the past. I think credit should go to Misbun for LCW's new and more patient play.

I don't mean to patronise you but you are spot on.

LCW is the best player..
tat is the onli sentences i will describe him...
but he always make silly mistake tat gave a lot of point to his opponent...
that's why his performance are up and down..
when there is more pressure, tat mean more mistake..
so tat's the reason he fail in WC but pass in merit in TC07 final & JO07..
there is no one who perfect..
so it should be ok if he can figure out way to reduce his careless mistake..
for LD, he got less mistake but his style of play are not the best,
just enough to beat ppl that are not in the top form..
he might be the best consistent player...
his biggest weakness is his mind, which juz play like a bull..
he can't really think the strategy to win, but juz follow wat the coach say..
if things when wrong, he will lost his mind..
for TH, he is definitely best in his backhand & tricky shot..
i will describe him as the best entertainner..
but he just don't take it hard, he always follow his mood when playing..
he missed out the disiplin..

Pemuda, your comments on his mental toughness may not hold anymore, even Misbun said to the press that LCW was tough mentally.

In fact, LCW said he was not going to lose (in G3) because he had come so far - a sign of fighting spirit.

With respect, winning the Japan Open is a good achievement but it is nothing compared to the WC and the Olympic gold where the pressure will be greater. And until LCW can prove that he can mix it in the big stage, I am still unsure of his mental toughness. It the recent WC, he fell flat and that is a clear indication that he tend to choke in the big events.

With respect, winning the Japan Open is a good achievement but it is nothing compared to the WC and the Olympic gold where the pressure will be greater. And until LCW can prove that he can mix it in the big stage, I am still unsure of his mental toughness. It the recent WC, he fell flat and that is a clear indication that he tend to choke in the big events.

Ouch...you are spot on! What goes up must come down...as we saw today! LCW lost to Simon Santoso (who has never win a big title).

simon is the best today :)

simon is the best today :)

YUP! Two examples WHY LCW CAN'T BE THE BEST PLAYER NOW:
1. Losing big to Sony Dwi Kuncoro in home ground (unexpected).
2. Losing to Simon Santoso despite being in-form (also unexpected).

YUP! Two examples WHY LCW CAN'T BE THE BEST PLAYER NOW:
1. Losing big to Sony Dwi Kuncoro in home ground (unexpected).
2. Losing to Simon Santoso despite being in-form (also unexpected).
But why would LCW or his fans want him to be the best player now unless there is a contract guaranteeing the MS Gold in OG08 based on that status now.
However ,to be considered in the best player category means he has arrived.But he's not sitting down and waiting on arrival. He still has unfinished business and will still be busy fine tuning his tactics and developing new weapons.
I feel sorry you think so low of your INA players.Give them some credit. Sony and Simon have always troubled top players cos INA players don't play predictable badminton and really burn their opponents' mental stamina cos they're hard to read.That's their trademark.But they excel as upset specialists because they don't have enough stamina in outlasting to win a title. With more experience and dedicated gym work, they will be good for a SS title in 2 years, hopefully earlier.
Suddenly, TC08 looks incredbly exciting!

xball...
where are you.. this is your thread..
i know you're here...
please show up and speak up :) :)

But why would LCW or his fans want him to be the best player now unless there is a contract guaranteeing the MS Gold in OG08 based on that status now.

I feel sorry you think so low of your INA players.Give them some credit. Sony and Simon have always troubled top players cos INA players don't play predictable badminton and really burn their opponents' mental stamina cos they're hard to read.That's their trademark.But they excel as upset specialists because they don't have enough stamina in outlasting to win a title. With more experience and dedicated gym work, they will be good for a SS title in 2 years, hopefully earlier.
Suddenly, TC08 looks incredbly exciting!

I don't think lowly of INA players, but the fact shows based on Lee Chong Wei's performance so far, he is of a higher level than both Simon or Sony. LCW HAS WON some major titles in his names. Already 3 titles this year and 3 titles last year; even more than what Taufik Hidayat won.

Sony Dwi Kuncoro? Except for a bronze at the Olympics, his titles include only some ABC (last being in 2005) and the silver at the WC 2007.

Simon Santoso? Errr....he has only won a lowly Vietnam Satellite event in 2005

I am very happy that both Simon and Sony HAVE WON against LCW recently, but, this would also suggest that LCW is still not consistent, despite his presumed superiority.

I don't think lowly of INA players, but the fact shows based on Lee Chong Wei's performance so far, he is of a higher level than both Simon or Sony. LCW HAS WON some major titles in his names. Already 3 titles this year and 3 titles last year; even more than what Taufik Hidayat won.

Sony Dwi Kuncoro? Except for a bronze at the Olympics, his titles include only some ABC (last being in 2005) and the silver at the WC 2007.

Simon Santoso? Errr....he has only won a lowly Vietnam Satellite event in 2005

I am very happy that both Simon and Sony HAVE WON against LCW recently, but, this would also suggest that LCW is still not consistent, despite his presumed superiority.
LCW lost on the fatigue factor, courtesy of YKH's idea of forcing him to play the irrelevant local Kedah Open to spread 'badminton glitter' and maybe as 'tune-up' to JO. So CTO is his 3rd consecutive tournament. LCW can remind YKH of his bad 'glitter' decision in future so he can skip local tournaments.Better for LCW to spread MAS badminton glitter and interest through TV by reaching SS finals.
Why worry about consistency when it's historically not an indicative criterion for OG MS Gold?
LCW would rather face tough draw opportunities to train him up to overcome the toughest possible draw in OG08. Winning titles from easy route is always a bonus but also a waste of missed calibrating opportunities.
It would not be wrong to say that the JO title is the most worthy and
convincing SS title to date.
If I were LCW, I would say to YKH, ' Because I had to play the Kedah Open, I missed my calibrating opportunity of taking on 3 INA MS in a row.'
What a lost opportunity!
Minimise the 'disturbance' further, YKH.The reward is sleeping better and possibly, more gold.

LCW losing is no one's fault. There are days that it's not gonna work. A very good example is Tina Rasmussen, she is a good player and defeated all the top seeded Chinese players in the Japan open. But then, she lost to Juliane Schenk in the first round. All of them are possible winners. Sometimes luck plays a role.

LCW, WCH and Dicky Palyama are among my favorite players. All of them are out now. I'm not blaming anyone why they lost as long as they gave each match their all.:)

LCW losing is no one's fault. There are days that it's not gonna work. A very good example is Tina Rasmussen, she is a good player and defeated all the top seeded Chinese players in the Japan open. But then, she lost to Juliane Schenk in the first round. All of them are possible winners. Sometimes luck plays a role.

LCW, WCH and Dicky Palyama are among my favorite players. All of them are out now. I'm not blaming anyone why they lost as long as they gave each match their all.:)


No..as long as they take pics with Fastdrop.....:D:D:D

No..as long as they take pics with Fastdrop.....:D:D:D

To be taken by Ants....:D:D:D

LCW losing is no one's fault. There are days that it's not gonna work. A very good example is Tina Rasmussen, she is a good player and defeated all the top seeded Chinese players in the Japan open. But then, she lost to Juliane Schenk in the first round. All of them are possible winners. Sometimes luck plays a role.

LCW, WCH and Dicky Palyama are among my favorite players. All of them are out now. I'm not blaming anyone why they lost as long as they gave each match their all.:)
fully agree, can't win all the time, just like Taufik won the Olympic 2004 and WC2005 but lost to an unknown Anup in WC 2008, lots of examples to prove.....:)

fully agree, can't win all the time, just like Taufik won the Olympic 2004 and WC2005 but lost to an unknown Anup in WC 2008, lots of examples to prove.....:)


I believe that from beginning of Taipeh Open....do not put high expectation of TH and LCW to be in final.....many fresher players are ready to down them and both have to play 2 times in one day....I think it is normal..as long as you win big one like JO..I do not mind if player loses the next one...remember that MS is so competitive these days....Top 50 can beat anybody..like Anup or Nguyen beat TH.....TH almost lost to Poompat in 2 nd round..

With all these excuses and blames from players to fan after each loss, we, the players and fan should develop a very short memory in order to get along or in sync :D
Don't blame players for each loss as 21-point most probably is the main cause of inconsistent/floating results? Also, please don't blame YKH, over-stretching the fact.

Simon Santoso is also a thinking player. Remember how he troubled Lin Dan in the Swiss Open this year ?

I'm not saying that Chong Wei is no good. But the number of matches that he has had to slogged out since the Kedah Open must have finally taken its toll on him. On a fresher day, yes, I believe Simon is still a wee bit away, but guess Chong Wei needs a rest already...

Let Taufik take his 2nd title of the year lar....

On a fresher day, yes, I believe Simon is still a wee bit away, but guess Chong Wei needs a rest already...

Let Taufik take his 2nd title of the year lar....




Hi amaze,

As soon as I've heard that LCW lost his 1st game to SS, I knew LCW would be in big trouble.

Congratulations should be given to SS's great win in that match.

Perhaps it's time for TH to win this Taipei Open 2007, I expect. :):):)

And yes...... LCW will now need a good rest.

Cheers... chris@ccc

The reason LCW lost is to help his buddy TH get SS point and qualified for SS final...that's what friends are for??? Hehehe!!! :p:D;)

Actually Simon is doing pretty well the whole year so far, beating now and then opponents regarded as above him (LD, BP, LCW), and seldom lost to players below him.

He is gradually becoming "somebody" in the international badminton circuit.

Simon Santoso is also a thinking player. Remember how he troubled Lin Dan in the Swiss Open this year ?

I'm not saying that Chong Wei is no good. But the number of matches that he has had to slogged out since the Kedah Open must have finally taken its toll on him. On a fresher day, yes, I believe Simon is still a wee bit away, but guess Chong Wei needs a rest already...

Let Taufik take his 2nd title of the year lar....

The reason LCW lost is to help his buddy TH get SS point and qualified for SS final...that's what friends are for??? Hehehe!!! :p:D;)
May be....if I were TH...I told LCW, let me win JO SS as you had one before...:D:D

Actually Simon is doing pretty well the whole year so far, beating now and then opponents regarded as above him (LD, BP, LCW), and seldom lost to players below him.

He is gradually becoming "somebody" in the international badminton circuit.
He needs to be more stable in term of progressing to respectable resultslike semi final or final...at least INA has 3 and now PBSI should pay attention to Tommy or Yunus or Andreas being groomed more....INA cant depend on TH even TH said that he had more motivation afte having a child...still tough to compete and win titles as too competitive nowadays.....

With all these excuses and blames from players to fan after each loss, we, the players and fan should develop a very short memory in order to get along or in sync :D
Don't blame players for each loss as 21-point most probably is the main cause of inconsistent/floating results? Also, please don't blame YKH, over-stretching the fact.
Agreed. Badminton games turning to be unpredictable ever since the NSS :)

The reason LCW lost is to help his buddy TH get SS point and qualified for SS final...that's what friends are for??? Hehehe!!! :p:D;)




Yeah.. perhaps, you are not wrong.

Good friends tend to help one another. :):):)

xball...
where are you.. this is your thread..
i know you're here...
please show up and speak up :) :)
..ahem, taufik-ist, are you pulling X Ball's legs, too??..:p
I am very happy that both Simon and Sony HAVE WON against LCW recently, but, this would also suggest that LCW is still not consistent, despite his presumed superiority.
Why worry about consistency when it's historically not an indicative criterion for OG MS Gold?
LCW losing is no one's fault. There are days that it's not gonna work. A very good example is Tina Rasmussen, she is a good player and defeated all the top seeded Chinese players in the Japan open. But then, she lost to Juliane Schenk in the first round. All of them are possible winners. Sometimes luck plays a role.
fully agree, can't win all the time, just like Taufik won the Olympic 2004 and WC2005 but lost to an unknown Anup in WC 2008, lots of examples to prove.....:)
I'm not saying that Chong Wei is no good. But the number of matches that he has had to slogged out since the Kedah Open must have finally taken its toll on him. On a fresher day, yes, I believe Simon is still a wee bit away, but guess Chong Wei needs a rest already...

Let Taufik take his 2nd title of the year lar....
..whoah, badMania, you had this one already waiting, heh??..:eek::p
Well, let LCW and the M'sian fans enjoy his victory @ JO. No need to "throw it" back to them..:p..It was a very deserved victory for LCW, arguably the toughest one to date whilst going thru, arguably, the toughest set of MS players in the circuit. Same thing with Tine, she made a very big surprise last week but came down to earth this week. It happens to all the players....;):cool:

no doubt simon played a good game but lee chong wei is tired after playing 3 tournaments in a row from Kedah Open, Japan, and taiwan. I just chatted wit him over the phone and he's tired, need some rest...

..whoah, badMania, you had this one already waiting, heh??..:eek::p
Well, let LCW and the M'sian fans enjoy his victory @ JO. No need to "throw it" back to them..:p..It was a very deserved victory for LCW, arguably the toughest one to date whilst going thru, arguably, the toughest set of MS players in the circuit. Same thing with Tine, she made a very big surprise last week but came down to earth this week. It happens to all the players....;):cool:

In the JO Thread, I did say that it was a FULLY DESERVED VICTORY for LCW...there's no arguing abt that :cool:

no doubt simon played a good game but lee chong wei is tired after playing 3 tournaments in a row from Kedah Open, Japan, and taiwan. I just chatted wit him over the phone and he's tired, need some rest...
I agree...I think I had anticipated him and TH might bow out earlier....still good tournaments for LCW....

I agree...I think I had anticipated him and TH might bow out earlier....still good tournaments for LCW....

I personally think it's quite impossible for players to compete consecutively in 3 tourneys. Very physically challenging for them.

Nevertheless to all those LCW fans, I have my outmost respect of him. I am very happy that he can beat Lin Dan (despite me predicting that Lin Dan would win) and also the fact that he is beaten by Simon Santoso today (despite predicting otherwise). That shows that the field is getting more and more competitive and hopefully not to be dominated by Lin Dan :cool:

no doubt simon played a good game but lee chong wei is tired after playing 3 tournaments in a row from Kedah Open, Japan, and taiwan. I just chatted wit him over the phone and he's tired, need some rest...
..understood..;):)
In the JO Thread, I did say that it was a FULLY DESERVED VICTORY for LCW...there's no arguing abt that :cool:
..it's OK lah badMania, let X Ball enjoy LCW's victory...And don't be too overly "caught up" or get "stirred" with his posts (I'm sure our Loh can attest to that)..;):cool:
I agree...I think I had anticipated him and TH might bow out earlier....still good tournaments for LCW....
...well, so far you're 50% correct, Hau-ge..;):cool:

its anyone's game nowadays and you seldom see one single player dominating the whole series but isnt it better for the game? Look at F1 when Michael Schumarcher was around in the earlier years..he kept winning back-to-back titles until the results is so predictable..

lesson learnt: Move on with life after one good results and dont spend too much time thinking in circles of the past achievement..though sometimes its good to self reflect :D:o

i still don't understand if a player feels tired to compete in a tournament why they still compete.. they're predicted to lose already :).. it's better to skip the tourney than 'being humiliated' by an unseeded player :)

i still don't understand if a player feels tired to compete in a tournament why they still compete.. they're predicted to lose already :).. it's better to skip the tourney than 'being humiliated' by an unseeded player :)
They were probably on two mission to earn them self a spot in :
1. Olympics
2. SS Finals

;)

They were probably on two mission to earn them self a spot in :
1. Olympics
2. SS Finals

;)


i see.... :D :D

Who is humiliated by an unseeded player? Sometime they join the tournament for points and also for the sake of the sponsor.

They were probably on two mission to earn them self a spot in :
1. Olympics
2. SS Finals




Regarding the SS Mens Singles Finals... for Malaysia, LCW has already qualified.

But for Indonesia, Simon, Sony and Taufik are still fighting for their 2 available spots.

Who is humiliated by an unseeded player? Sometime they join the tournament for points and also for the sake of the sponsor.
that's all for tired seeded players :D........... they might disappoint their fans :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
lcw had been predicted to lose by most mas fans before the TO begun :)

no doubt simon played a good game but lee chong wei is tired after playing 3 tournaments in a row from Kedah Open, Japan, and taiwan. I just chatted wit him over the phone and he's tired, need some rest...

hmmm
he need some rest...really :D

Indonesian hurdles for Chong Wei and Choong Hann

PETALING JAYA: Indonesians threatens to be the stumbling block for Malaysia's Lee Chong Wei and Wong Choong Hann in the men's singles quarter-finals of the Taiwan Open in Taipei.

Yesterday, Japan Open champion Chong Wei defeated Hong Kong's Ng Wei 21-9, 21-16 in the third round to set up a meeting with Simon Santoso.

Choong Hann, who is determined to make up the disappointment of a first-round exit in Tokyo last week, ousted compatriot Yeoh Kay Bin 21-16, 21-13. And he has a tougher job to get into the semi-finals in a match today against World Championships runner-up Sony Dwi Kuncoro.

Two other Malaysians failed to advance. Mohd Hafiz Hashim crashed to a 12-21, 15-21 defeat by Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia and Sairul Amar Ayob was beaten 14-21, 22-20, 21-13 by Japanese Shoji Sato.

Team manager Hau Kim Tho said that both Chong Wei and Choong Hann were in good form.

“Chong Wei is looking sharp in his attack. He is certainly very fired up to win back-to-back titles. It will be tougher for Choong Hann but with him, you can't rule out a surprise,” said Kim Tho in a telephone interview from Taipei.

In the men's doubles, Malaysia are left with Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif, who won their matches in the first two rounds yesterday in straight games. They will take on Japan Open runners-up Luluk Hadiyanto-Alven Yulianto in the quarter-finals.

Malaysia's top women's singles player Wong Mew Choo and the doubles pair of Chin Eei Hui-Wong Pei Tty also reached the quarter-finals.

Mew Choo will take on Hong Kong's star Yip Pui Yin while Eei Hui-Pei Tty have a fight in their hands against German number one Nicole Grether-Juliane Schenk.

no doubt simon played a good game but lee chong wei is tired after playing 3 tournaments in a row from Kedah Open, Japan, and taiwan. I just chatted wit him over the phone and he's tired, need some rest...

yeah he really need some rest :cool:
Indonesian hurdles for Chong Wei and Choong Hann

PETALING JAYA: Indonesians threatens to be the stumbling block for Malaysia's Lee Chong Wei and Wong Choong Hann in the men's singles quarter-finals of the Taiwan Open in Taipei.

Yesterday, Japan Open champion Chong Wei defeated Hong Kong's Ng Wei 21-9, 21-16 in the third round to set up a meeting with Simon Santoso.

Choong Hann, who is determined to make up the disappointment of a first-round exit in Tokyo last week, ousted compatriot Yeoh Kay Bin 21-16, 21-13. And he has a tougher job to get into the semi-finals in a match today against World Championships runner-up Sony Dwi Kuncoro.

Two other Malaysians failed to advance. Mohd Hafiz Hashim crashed to a 12-21, 15-21 defeat by Taufik Hidayat of Indonesia and Sairul Amar Ayob was beaten 14-21, 22-20, 21-13 by Japanese Shoji Sato.

Team manager Hau Kim Tho said that both Chong Wei and Choong Hann were in good form.

“Chong Wei is looking sharp in his attack. He is certainly very fired up to win back-to-back titles. It will be tougher for Choong Hann but with him, you can't rule out a surprise,” said Kim Tho in a telephone interview from Taipei.

In the men's doubles, Malaysia are left with Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif, who won their matches in the first two rounds yesterday in straight games. They will take on Japan Open runners-up Luluk Hadiyanto-Alven Yulianto in the quarter-finals.

Malaysia's top women's singles player Wong Mew Choo and the doubles pair of Chin Eei Hui-Wong Pei Tty also reached the quarter-finals.

Mew Choo will take on Hong Kong's star Yip Pui Yin while Eei Hui-Pei Tty have a fight in their hands against German number one Nicole Grether-Juliane Schenk.

It is now getting more difficult to predict who will win the Olympic....



LCW may feel confident now to defeat all Chinesse second-tier shuttlers, but LCW still has unfinished business with Sony and Simon and Bonsaak...

TH, LD may not be problems anymore for LCW now....but SOny and Simon will be his "real enemies" as these two guys may burry LCW's dream of meeting LD/TH...

With regard to LCW's defeat by SImon....I am not surprised at all....I have predicted this before....

For LCW, Simon and Sony Dwi Kuncoro are much more dangerous than Taufik....But between the two, Simon is stronger and more dangerous. He is known as Giant Killer....So...LD, PG, LCW, Bonsaa, Bao Chun Lai, Chen Jin....beware of this young man....

As for Olympic 2008...If I were the person in charge in PBSI, I would prefer sending TH and Simon. Simon can serve as a dark horse, a giant killer, or the man who exhausts his opponnent...

Last but not least, It is getting clear that Taufik will win the Taipei...

i think taufik is tired too. based on the 65 minutes fight between him and lee chong wei in japan open, well, i think i can accept the tired reason. :)

Well Sony and Simon are doing well. But I think Hafiz and Wong Choon Han are still able to beat them -- so before they get to meet LCW, they will have to defeat Hafiz and Choon Han.

But this is a lot of suppositions. :D

wow, X Ball, u muz be a very positive guy to still put on your hopes on our mr.yoyo.....:p:p:p:p

wow, X Ball, u muz be a very positive guy to still put on your hopes on our mr.yoyo.....:p:p:p:p

I have to swallow my pride and admit they are not good enough at this point. Thank you for showig me up.:D