Rexy is determined to arrest slide

[X Ball]

Without mixing words, an irate Rexy stated categorically that he wants to see improvement in the Malaysian doubles pairs or else there would be a change in strategy in sending players to play overseas. As it is, he wants to send only 3 pairs each time and the teams have got to fight for those 3 spots.

He wants hunger to come back into the team. He is particularly scathing the way the team had played recently -- he basically said they played like sissies (albeit a bit more polite).

He was not happy with everyone, including KKK-TBH. He mentioned that instead of coming to him to ask why they lost, they disappeared to hide and he had to look for them (this is madness for a coach to have to do that).

Having read this also in the press, I can only conclude the players are very shallow in their thinking. The coach has to 'mollycuddle' them - and to think they have won titles. Rexy said that they think they are great players even though they have lost (this really makes me fume when I read it -- what makes them think they are so good).

I think the Malaysian pairs will not win if they keep up their 'star' status. It is time to bring them down to earth. And I empower Rexy to get them back into respectability!

[jasonmarc]

Without mixing words, an irate Rexy stated categorically that he wants to see improvement in the Malaysian doubles pairs or else there would be a change in strategy in sending players to play overseas. As it is, he wants to send only 3 pairs each time and the teams have got to fight for those 3 spots.

He wants hunger to come back into the team. He is particularly scathing the way the team had played recently -- he basically said they played like sissies (albeit a bit more polite).

He was not happy with everyone, including KKK-TBH. He mentioned that instead of coming to him to ask why they lost, they disappeared to hide and he had to look for them (this is madness for a coach to have to do that).

Having read this also in the press, I can only conclude the players are very shallow in their thinking. The coach has to 'mollycuddle' them - and to think they have won titles. Rexy said that they think they are great players even though they have lost (this really makes me fume when I read it -- what makes them think they are so good).

I think the Malaysian pairs will not win if they keep up their 'star' status. It is time to bring them down to earth. And I empower Rexy to get them back into respectability!

Sad to read this.....bad attitude....from the players.....what had happened...:eek::mad::mad::mad:

[X Ball]

Tuesday September 18, 2007


Rexy promises action for pairs to regain winning desire
By RAJES PAUL

PETALING JAYA: Coach Rexy Mainaky is frustrated at seeing a sudden lack of commitment in the national men's doubles team.
And in terms of desire to win is concerned, Rexy wants the players to look at the Indonesian-American partnership of Candra Wijaya-Tony Gunawan, who won the Japan Open for the second consecutive time last Sunday.
http://thestar.com.my/archives/2007/9/18/sports/s_63gunawan2.jpg Shining example: The veteran pair of Candra Wijaya-Tony Gunawan showed great commitment en route to winning their second straight Japan Open men’s doubles crown on Sunday. – Reuters
Rexy cancelled the training session yesterday to give the four pairs – Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong, Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah, Chan Chong Ming-Hoon Thien How and Gan Teik Chai-Lin Woon Fui – time to re-think their commitment in the national team.
And there will be a meeting next week when Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif and Tan Bin Shen-Ong Soon Hock return home from the Taiwan Open. Rexy will then lay down new rules to get the players back on track.
Five pairs featured the Japan Open and for the first time this year in an international tournament, none made it to the quarter-finals.
“It is not so much the results that are bothering me. There were many upsets. But I am irked by the way the players handled losses. I only see slackness in their commitment,” said Rexy.
“I took Boon Heong to watch the match between Candra-Tony and the Japanese pair (Shuichi Sakamoto-Ikeda Shintaro) in the quarter-finals. Candra and Tony won and immediately after, they went to the warm-up court and trained for an hour. It speaks of their commitment and desire to win.
“When our players lost, they showed sadness for a while and then disappeared to do their own things. None of them approached me to discuss what went wrong. “I had to go and look for them. I am angry but it is not right if I do not get angry. I cannot be saying that everything is all right. That is not my job. My job is to prepare a committed team to challenge for a gold medal in the Olympics (in Beijing next year).”

[samuel882]

I fink both KKK/TBH is busying celebrates their birthday with friends/family. Not unusual for those young lads..

[Louisa]

nothing wrong with celebrating birthday...as long as they know what r they doing, know what should n shouldn't do...

[taufik-ist]

I fink both KKK/TBH is busying celebrates their birthday with friends/family. Not unusual for those young lads..


nothing wrong with celebrating birthday...as long as they know what r they doing, know what should n shouldn't do...

did they invite rexy ? it seems they didn't :rolleyes:

[X Ball]

did they invite rexy ? it seems they didn't :rolleyes:

Now Samuel is in trouble for telling.:D

[samuel882]

did they invite rexy ? it seems they didn't :rolleyes:

Obviously REXY is not in their invitation list.. Else he won't needs to be so MAD:D:D

[Louisa]

Obviously REXY is not in their invitation list.. Else he won't needs to be so MAD:D:D

a good reply, Sam...bravo:D:D

[X Ball]

Obviously REXY is not in their invitation list.. Else he won't needs to be so MAD:D:D

You just got uninvited by KKK-TBH for telling on them.:D

[ants]

Rexy just had a long meeting with the boys today after our lunch today.

Anyway I do agree that some of the antics by the players ( not only KKK/TBH ) does irked the coach.

But sometimes, these kids just don't know how to do post-game studies. They are not educated or shown how to do it. What they know is the daily routine coaching, talk with coach etc..
Which i think there is still room for improvement. I think i will make time to have a chat with Rexy regarding some matters.

[X Ball]

Rexy just had a long meeting with the boys today after our lunch today.

Anyway I do agree that some of the antics by the players ( not only KKK/TBH ) does irked the coach.

But sometimes, these kids just don't know how to do post-game studies. They are not educated or shown how to do it. What they know is the daily routine coaching, talk with coach etc..
Which i think there is still room for improvement. I think i will make time to have a chat with Rexy regarding some matters.

Any chance of dragging me along to meet Rexy ? I will make time too.:D

[Rachel Tan]

During MO'07,i saw Tony-Candra trained immediately after the semis matches completed.Then they were so focus and not distracted (some fans were shouting their name from the court side).Without a coach stand by their side,they still showing dedication and self-discipline.Although they lost to KKK-TBH in the final but Tony-Candra already a true champion in my deep heart.

[huangkwokhau]

During MO'07,i saw Tony-Candra trained immediately after the semis matches completed.Then they were so focus and not distracted (some fans were shouting their name from the court side).Without a coach stand by their side,they still showing dedication and self-discipline.Although they lost to KKK-TBH in the final but Tony-Candra already a true champion in my deep heart.


I can not tell a lot here without their permission..but all I cay that Tony is so commited and trying to set up example for independent players like him.
As a matter of fact, Djarum is doing it now...send all players to win tournaments so when they have enough ranking so they can get individual contract...so they can be independent also in the future...

Tony/Candra is commited to win as they have to prove to Yonex to get renewal contract...

[robin7]

Boys, birthday is over, get back to work.

[huangkwokhau]

In this case...we need Rexy back to INA....:D:D:D

Rexy will know where to find INA players hang around...

[Rachel Tan]

MAS men's doubles team were doing well in the early part of the year.It is surprised at seeing a sudden slide recently. They have proven that they can beat the best in the world.Sometimes they just lack of commitment.As far as striking Olympic gold is concern,they(KKK-TBH&CTF-LWW) should start looking at the bigger picture,with Olympics is just 11 months away.They should have re-think their commitment to the country.(Sorry,no intension to put pressure on them).It is a fact that the MAS goverment and public are putting so much hope on them to win the first gold in Olympic. I just don't understand why BAM or the media perhaps,to "classify'"KKK-TBH as "the best bet for gold medal" in Olympics,while CTF-LWW "to play supporting role".Imagine when all the attention just focus on the pair alone,it will only cause the young lads feeling tremendous pressure.Could they take on the huge pressure?Isn't it good if both pairs to share the burden?

[X Ball]

What goes up must come down. To get it up again, we need to fill the balloon with 'light' gas - not heavy ********.

In the case of KKK-TBH, my advice is to softly persuade them to focus rather than heavy handed punishing workloads. They need words of wisdom to charge them up, not whiplashes. They need fatherly advice, not teacher's tongue lashing. They need comradeship, not confrontation. I think Rexy is beginning to find that he needs to change tact -- just two or three months ago, everything was going hunky dory, then suddenly everything seemed to fail with all the pairs.

Rexy must get the players to be pro-active in their thinking, e.g. question on their own failures and not depend solely on the coach to seek them out to tell them. As they say failing to plan is planning to fail. I think most of these youngsters are still 'raw' in their thoughts and when things do not work, their world crumble. They must learn how to create opportunities in their thoughts; how to master emotion, and how to overcome failures (as I said plan properly, and if this fails, have an alternative, and if that fails too, have another).

I think LCW will now send a signal to all in the team that success is achievable, even after a huge setback. I clearly want to see a 'RETURN of DARTH VADER' in all our young pairs.

[X Ball]

Rexy just had a long meeting with the boys today after our lunch today.

Anyway I do agree that some of the antics by the players ( not only KKK/TBH ) does irked the coach.

But sometimes, these kids just don't know how to do post-game studies. They are not educated or shown how to do it. What they know is the daily routine coaching, talk with coach etc..
Which i think there is still room for improvement. I think i will make time to have a chat with Rexy regarding some matters.

Let us organise lunch with Rexy (and Nasi Padang, his favourite in Jalan Sultan Ismail) - you date him and I buy. I am real.

[indra]

In this case...we need Rexy back to INA....:D:D:D

Rexy will know where to find INA players hang around...

Not yet...let Rexy stay in Malaysia ...MAS badly needs him....
If Rexy is back to Ina...the competition in the MD will not be stiff....It's good to have Rexy in MAS so that the world MD power is balanced

[Hitman71]

What goes up must come down. To get it up again, we need to fill the balloon with 'light' gas - not heavy ********.

In the case of KKK-TBH, my advice is to softly persuade them to focus rather than heavy handed punishing workloads. They need words of wisdom to charge them up, not whiplashes. They need fatherly advice, not teacher's tongue lashing. They need comradeship, not confrontation. I think Rexy is beginning to find that he needs to change tact -- just two or three months ago, everything was going hunky dory, then suddenly everything seemed to fail with all the pairs.

Rexy must get the players to be pro-active in their thinking, e.g. question on their own failures and not depend solely on the coach to seek them out to tell them. As they say failing to plan is planning to fail. I think most of these youngsters are still 'raw' in their thoughts and when things do not work, their world crumble. They must learn how to create opportunities in their thoughts; how to master emotion, and how to overcome failures (as I said plan properly, and if this fails, have an alternative, and if that fails too, have another).

I think LCW will now send a signal to all in the team that success is achievable, even after a huge setback. I clearly want to see a 'RETURN of DARTH VADER' in all our young pairs.


Well maybe Rexy should learn a thing or two from Misbun. :rolleyes: . IMO he should learn Emotional Intelligance. :D

[Darien]

What goes up must come down. To get it up again, we need to fill the balloon with 'light' gas - not heavy ********.

In the case of KKK-TBH, my advice is to softly persuade them to focus rather than heavy handed punishing workloads. They need words of wisdom to charge them up, not whiplashes. They need fatherly advice, not teacher's tongue lashing. They need comradeship, not confrontation. I think Rexy is beginning to find that he needs to change tact -- just two or three months ago, everything was going hunky dory, then suddenly everything seemed to fail with all the pairs.

Rexy must get the players to be pro-active in their thinking, e.g. question on their own failures and not depend solely on the coach to seek them out to tell them. As they say failing to plan is planning to fail. I think most of these youngsters are still 'raw' in their thoughts and when things do not work, their world crumble. They must learn how to create opportunities in their thoughts; how to master emotion, and how to overcome failures (as I said plan properly, and if this fails, have an alternative, and if that fails too, have another).

I think LCW will now send a signal to all in the team that success is achievable, even after a huge setback. I clearly want to see a 'RETURN of DARTH VADER' in all our young pairs.

Could it be Misbun Sidek is the type of 'soft persuader' that's why LCW able to get back to his feet in JO? :rolleyes:

[samuel882]

Not yet...let Rexy stay in Malaysia ...MAS badly needs him....
If Rexy is back to Ina...the competition in the MD will not be stiff....It's good to have Rexy in MAS so that the world MD power is balanced

And if REXY went back to INA.. all their current MD will be dis balanced..:rolleyes:

[X Ball]

Could it be Misbun Sidek is the type of 'soft persuader' that's why LCW able to get back to his feet in JO? :rolleyes:

LOL, I know you put it sarcastically but unknowingly, you might be saying the right thing. I have been admiring the soft persuading skills of Misbun -- his 'fatherly' approach to motivating LCW is absolutely touching and it worked. Even when LCW lost in the WC, he did not blast him. It is no wonder LCW has that relationship with Misbun.

[OneToughBirdie]

Let us organise lunch with Rexy (and Nasi Padang, his favourite in Jalan Sultan Ismail) - you date him and I buy. I am real.

In North America, guy dating guy is err.....well you know what I mean...I think you meant to say 'you invite Rexy out for lunch and I buy'. :D:p

[huangkwokhau]

In North America, guy dating guy is err.....well you know what I mean...I think you meant to say 'you invite Rexy out for lunch and I buy'. :D:p
:D:D oh no..is Xball coming out from Closet??? thats okay with me....I live in LA.....:D:D just kidding !!! thats funny...!!

[OneToughBirdie]

LOL, I know you put it sarcastically but unknowingly, you might be saying the right thing. I have been admiring the soft persuading skills of Misbun -- his 'fatherly' approach to motivating LCW is absolutely touching and it worked. Even when LCW lost in the WC, he did not blast him. It is no wonder LCW has that relationship with Misbun.

Agree with you they are like Ying Yang...balanced and harmony...Misbun calm, relaxed and encouraging approach suits LCW well...With all the praise and admiration heap onto Misbun, rightfully so he earns it...just hope fans understand badminton is a game of up and down, when Misbun charges falter, fans should give him a break and refrain from hard bashing...for now, advise Misbun to enjoy the moment and milk all the accolades.:D:D:p:p

[X Ball]

In North America, guy dating guy is err.....well you know what I mean...I think you meant to say 'you invite Rexy out for lunch and I buy'. :D:p

I know lah. I was cracking one by saying that to ANTS.;)

[ctjcad]

What goes up must come down.

I think LCW will now send a signal to all in the team that success is achievable, even after a huge setback. I clearly want to see a 'RETURN of DARTH VADER' in all our young pairs.
...apply to LCW also??..:confused::p;)

[chibe_K]

yeah rite !!! I have been hearing this zillons of times already, its like singing to a cow. If the players are not motivated to win, there is nothing Rexy can do to make a difference.

[Pemuda]

Without mixing words, an irate Rexy stated categorically that he wants to see improvement in the Malaysian doubles pairs or else there would be a change in strategy in sending players to play overseas. As it is, he wants to send only 3 pairs each time and the teams have got to fight for those 3 spots.

He wants hunger to come back into the team. He is particularly scathing the way the team had played recently -- he basically said they played like sissies (albeit a bit more polite).

He was not happy with everyone, including KKK-TBH. He mentioned that instead of coming to him to ask why they lost, they disappeared to hide and he had to look for them (this is madness for a coach to have to do that).

Having read this also in the press, I can only conclude the players are very shallow in their thinking. The coach has to 'mollycuddle' them - and to think they have won titles. Rexy said that they think they are great players even though they have lost (this really makes me fume when I read it -- what makes them think they are so good).

I think the Malaysian pairs will not win if they keep up their 'star' status. It is time to bring them down to earth. And I empower Rexy to get them back into respectability!

How will these half baked shallow prima donnas gonna learn when BAM continue to instill a culture of mollycuddling and breast feeding??

I have said it before and will say it again. Rexy is wasting his time and talents with these bunch of dead weights. Rexy is a legend and a winner and he certainly deserve better than chase after the coatails of these wanna be prima donnas. rexy should do what Morten Frost and Park Joo Bong all did before him, dump BAM and head to other countries where the set up is more professional.

We aint gonna win the Olympic gold next year period. We will participate yes but win, we will not. Only true winners get to stand on that podium with that Olympic gold medal not so called half cooked 'stars'.

[X Ball]

How will these half baked shallow prima donnas gonna learn when BAM continue to instill a culture of mollycuddling and breast feeding??

I have said it before and will say it again. Rexy is wasting his time and talents with these bunch of dead weights. Rexy is a legend and a winner and he certainly deserve better than chase after the coatails of these wanna be prima donnas. rexy should do what Morten Frost and Park Joo Bong all did before him, dump BAM and head to other countries where the set up is more professional.

We aint gonna win the Olympic gold next year period. We will participate yes but win, we will not. Only true winners get to stand on that podium with that Olympic gold medal not so called half cooked 'stars'.

Well, Rexy needs to make a living and BAM is the sustenance. Maybe he will be able to persuade them to change, everything has a beginning.

[ants]

Let us organise lunch with Rexy (and Nasi Padang, his favourite in Jalan Sultan Ismail) - you date him and I buy. I am real.

So far lah... we usualy eat nearby the training center.

Let me have a 1 on 1 session with him 1st. Next one i invite u.

[Pemuda]

Well, Rexy needs to make a living and BAM is the sustenance. Maybe he will be able to persuade them to change, everything has a beginning.

Rexy is in demand and I am pretty sure other nations would pick him up almost immediately once he ditch BAM.

Persuade our national shuttlers/BAM to change?? Thats a tall order and I doubt it is possible.

[X Ball]

Rexy is in demand and I am pretty sure other nations would pick him up almost immediately once he ditch BAM.

Persuade our national shuttlers/BAM to change?? Thats a tall order and I doubt it is possible.
Sorry get BAM to change not the players -- BAm is changing quite well already I can tell.

[X Ball]

So far lah... we usualy eat nearby the training center.

Let me have a 1 on 1 session with him 1st. Next one i invite u.

OK send my kind regards. If he asks who I am, tell him I am his greatest fan also and a worthy one who speaks his language.:D

[X Ball]

yeah rite !!! I have been hearing this zillons of times already, its like singing to a cow. If the players are not motivated to win, there is nothing Rexy can do to make a difference.

You said it : if they are not motivated, then Rexy can do zilch.

And therefore, we are saying he needs to motivate them in the nicest way because harshness/pumishment is not working.

[hcyong]

How will these half baked shallow prima donnas gonna learn when BAM continue to instill a culture of mollycuddling and breast feeding??

I have said it before and will say it again. Rexy is wasting his time and talents with these bunch of dead weights. Rexy is a legend and a winner and he certainly deserve better than chase after the coatails of these wanna be prima donnas. rexy should do what Morten Frost and Park Joo Bong all did before him, dump BAM and head to other countries where the set up is more professional.

We aint gonna win the Olympic gold next year period. We will participate yes but win, we will not. Only true winners get to stand on that podium with that Olympic gold medal not so called half cooked 'stars'.

If you are looking for the root of the problem, look at how the Malaysian government shapes its policy in general.

[X Ball]

If you are looking for the root of the problem, look at how the Malaysian government shapes its policy in general.

HCYONG, glad to see you. How is Singapore ? You back here or there ?

[Pemuda]

Sorry get BAM to change not the players -- BAm is changing quite well already I can tell.

I doubt so but lets see. Time will tell all.

[Pemuda]

If you are looking for the root of the problem, look at how the Malaysian government shapes its policy in general.

Well screwed up policies breeds half baked results.

[X Ball]

Well screwed up policies breeds half baked results.

As with everything, people learn. Companies perform and then don't perform and then perform. Same thing.

[OneToughBirdie]

So far lah... we usualy eat nearby the training center.

Let me have a 1 on 1 session with him 1st. Next one i invite u.
1 on 1 session with Rexy:eek:...err! you are lunching right?...not dating as XBall is suggesting...hehehe!!;):p:D

[Pemuda]

As with everything, people learn. Companies perform and then don't perform and then perform. Same thing.

Companies like Proton / MAS lose money despite being market leaders.

Companies like McDs, Citibank, HSBC become multinationals and prosper.

It is all down to policies and foundation laid. Not perform then dont perform thing like a yoyo.

[hcyong]

HCYONG, glad to see you. How is Singapore ? You back here or there ?

I work in Singapore, so I am there (or should I say here) almost all the time. I go back to KL once in a while.

[X Ball]

Companies like Proton / MAS lose money despite being market leaders.

Companies like McDs, Citibank, HSBC become multinationals and prosper.

It is all down to policies and foundation laid. Not perform then dont perform thing like a yoyo.

MAS now performing lah (profit). And Proton now making profit again. Apa ini !

[Pemuda]

MAS now performing lah (profit). And Proton now making profit again. Apa ini !

Making profit because they sold their assets and making profit because of increased revenues/market share are two different things. :rolleyes:

Kampong betul ni!

[X Ball]

Making profit because they sold their assets and making profit because of increased revenues/market share are two different things. :rolleyes:

Kampong betul ni!

Consolidation my friend. Sometimes, if a company has outgrown the market, it is not too bad to consolidate and still make money. One does not need to increase revenues to make losses. My point is companies do well one day but due to unforseen circumstances also perform badly sometimes. Like LCW, if they can reign in their bad performances, they are able to restitute themselves and be the darlings of the people again. Nobody is perfect.

[samuel882]

You should consider Joining ROCKETs or the EYES. A good platform for you :D

[evan1222]

That is the mentally of our boys in this game. After the won the All England, i knw they will go downhill.

Expected...history has proven. And has repeated again.

Now they think they are superstars, lack commitment and hunger to win.
Opponents knw their game and their weaknesses..they need to be more serious and focus otherwise...they will just fade off. Sigh. Young and arrogant...money and fame really spoilt them.

[badMania]

Good for INA pairs :p

Good for INA too if Rexy were to be disappointed and come back home to train our youngsters. I am sure all INA fans here will leap at the news if Rexy were to return home :rolleyes:

It's time to re-establish our dominance in MD. Our crop of young pairs are starting to show their teeth, with Bona Septano/Mohd Ahsan and Wifqi Windarto/Afiat Yuris Wirawan winning International Series event this year.

[ixory]

read this article..i'm suprised..what exactly happened between both of them..:confused:

Rexy tak mahu latih Koo-Tan

Oleh Lukman Salleh

Berita Harian (http://www.bharian.com.my/Current_News/BH/Thursday/Sukan/20070919233311/Article)


http://www.bharian.com.my/Thursday/Sukan/20070919233311/mainpix


Jurulatih beri kata dua kepada beregu Sukan Asia segera selesai masalah peribadi

JURULATIH beregu Rexy Mainaky tidak mahu lagi membimbing Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong sekiranya pasangan itu berterusan membiarkan masalah peribadi mengganggu aksi mereka hingga gagal menyajikan aksi cemerlang di persada antarabangsa.

Beliau menyifatkan Kien Keat-Boon Heong kini sudah hilang kepercayaan antara satu sama lain serta masing-masing mahu menunjukkan ego dalam gelanggang, sehingga tidak dapat kembali ke kedudukan yang pernah menjulang mereka kepada empat kejuaraan antarabangsa.

"Secara jujur saya katakan, jika masalah antara mereka ini berterusan adalah lebih baik saya berhenti melatih mereka," kata Rexy.

"Kenapa saya harus membuangkan masa dan tenaga jika mereka tidak mahu mendengar nasihat saya dan tidak cuba menyelesaikan sesama sendiri.

"Persembahan mereka di Jepun begitu buruk dan saya dapat perhatikan sudah tidak ada kepercayaan antara mereka di dalam gelanggang berbanding ketika mereka beraksi awal tahun ini.

"Masing-masing sudah ada ego dan besar kepala serta menganggap diri mereka lebih baik daripada pasangan mereka hingga tidak lagi boleh berfungsi dengan baik di atas gelanggang.

"Ini adalah masalah peribadi yang harus mereka selesaikan sesama sendiri kerana sebagai jurulatih saya hanya boleh memberikan tunjuk ajar dan teknik untuk meningkatkan prestasi mereka dan selebihnya terpulang kepada mereka.

"Saya sudah memberi masa kepada mereka menyelesaikan masalah peribadi. Jika ia masih berpanjangan, saya mungkin tidak ada pilihan selain mengambil tindakan drastik kerana saya tidak mahu memberi gambaran yang salah kepada peminat mengenai kedudukan pasangan ini," kata Rexy.

Prestasi Kien Keat-Boon Heong begitu merosot selepas mengalami kekalahan pada Kejohanan Badminton Asia di Johor Bahru, April lalu dan gagal beraksi cemerlang di Kejohanan Dunia di Kuala Lumpur bulan lalu, apabila tersingkir di suku akhir dan sewaktu Terbuka Jepun terkandas di pusingan ketiga.

Bagi Rexy, masalah yang dihadapi pasangan itu hampir sama seperti yang dialami bekas beregu utama negara, Cheah Soon Kit-Soo Beng Kiang, yang tidak serasi dalam gelanggang hingga akhirnya dipisahkan apabila keadaan menjadi semakin sukar.

"Ia masalah yang sama seperti dialami Soon Kit-Beng Kiang," kata Rexy. "Kurang komunikasi, kalau bertegur pun bukannya untuk kebaikan sendiri sebaliknya hanya meletakkan tekanan ke atas diri masing-masing.

"Saya tidak tahu sama ada mereka mempunyai perasaan ini disebabkan pengaruh luar ataupun tidak, tetapi mereka harus faham bahawa mereka bermain untuk Malaysia dan jika gagal beraksi dengan bagus, semuanya akan berbalik kepada negara ini.

"Mereka sudah memenangi kejuaraan antarabangsa seperti Seluruh England dan menewaskan pasangan terbaik dunia tetapi mereka seolah-olah tidak belajar daripada semua ini dan membiarkan perasaan dan ego membaluti diri mereka.

"Saya harap masalah antara mereka berdua ini tidak berpanjangan dan mereka harus menyelesaikannya sendiri," kata Rexy

[badMania]

Looks like the problem is really becoming out of hand :eek:

It's true that Soon Kit/Beng Kiang were not doing well until they have to be split with Cheah Soon Kit partnering Yap Kim Hock and that pairing continue to shine....

[ctjcad]

read this article..i'm suprised..what exactly happened between both of them..:confused:

Rexy tak mahu latih Koo-Tan

Oleh Lukman Salleh
..Rexy doesn't sound happy (is this what will be discussed with our ants??):p....translation requested, please..;):cool:

[badMania]

If (and thats a big one) KKK/TBH were to be split....who will be the ideal partner for both players? Back to their original pairing? CCM/HTH are simply not up to par yet. Similarly with Fairuz/Zakry and Gan/Lin (esp this one). I think Gan/Zakry and Lin/Fairuz were performing better than the current setup :cool: As for TBS/OSH, they are also not performing after the long layoff.

So, the only stable pairing for Olympics is CTF/LWW.

[Darien]

wow...this is BIG! how come we dont see this news in The Star or NST?

[wilfredlgf]

Good. The two kids need some shaking up that not everyone will listen to them whine and dribble about petty issues.

[abedeng]

Rexy does not want to train Koo-Tan

By Lukman Salleh

Berita Harian (http://www.bharian.com.my/Current_News/BH/Thursday/Sukan/20070919233311/Article)

(translation by Abe Deng)

Coach issues ultimatum to Asian Games pair to solve all their internal issues

Doubles coach Rexy Mainaky no longer wants to guide Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong if this pair continues to let their internal problems affect their performance and fail to show excellent results in international tournaments.

He asserted that Kien Keat-Boon Heong has now lost faith in each other and both are showing their own egos on court, such that they are unable to return to the top level that once gave them four international titles.

"I can honestly say, if this problem between the two continues, it is best for me to stop training them," said Rexy.

"Why should I waste time and energy if they themselves do not want to hear my advice and didn't even try resolving issues between themselves."

"Their performance in Japan was terrible and I can see that the belief that they once had of each other on court is no longer there compared to when they performed earlier this year."

"Each man is egotistical and big headed and thought that he was better than his partner until they could no longer function well on court."

"This is a personal problem that they have to resolve between themselves because as coach, I can only provide guidance and techniques to improve their performance and the rest is up to them."

"I have given them time to resolve this personal issue. If it continues further, I may have no other option other than taking drastic actions because I don't want to paint a false picture to the fans with respect to this pair's status," said Rexy.

Kien Keat-Boon Heong's performance had dipped since losing in the Asian Badminton Championships in Johor Baharu last April, and they failed to live up to expectations at the World Championships in Kuala Lumpur last month after being eliminated in the quarter-finals, and in the Japan Open in the second round.

To Rexy, the problem faced by this pair is almost similar to the one faced by the ex-top national pair, Cheah Soon Kit-Soo Beng Kiang, who were so off-key on court until they had to be separated when the situation worsened.

"It is the same problem faced by Soon Kit-Beng Kiang," said Rexy. "Lack of communication, and even if there was communication, it was not for their own good, but more towards putting pressure on each other."

"I don't know if they inherited this attitude from external factors or not, but they have to understand that they are playing for Malaysia, and any failure to show a good performance will be reflected back towards this nation."

"They have won international titles such as the All-England and beaten top ranked pairs but it seems that they haven't learned from it all and instead, let their attitude and egos take control."

"I hope the problems between them will not take root and they should resolve their differences by themselves," said Rexy.

__________________________________________________ _______________

Koo and Tan should learn from the Sidek brothers. Razif and Jalani Sidek were not on good terms with each other during their playing days, but always put their differences aside during training and in competition. Why was why, despite lacking attacking power and over-reliance on defence, the Sidek brothers were among the top 4 MD pairs in the world then for a very long time.

[ctjcad]

..abedeng, for that pretty quick translation for us all!..;):cool:

[samuel882]

I fink it will be a good COOLING off periods for both parties.. in the meantime.. Koo Tan should send to smaller tournaments (instead of SS) . They should be start from the fresh now.. To gain more understanding among each others & learn from the mistakes in matches again lower ranks pair...
BTW, Sideks has been growth up toghether in a family since they were borned.. It is not surprise & not wise to compare a sibbliings against any other MD players combination...

[badMania]

Koo and Tan should learn from the Sidek brothers. Razif and Jalani Sidek were not on good terms with each other during their playing days, but always put their differences aside during training and in competition. Why was why, despite lacking attacking power and over-reliance on defence, the Sidek brothers were among the top 4 MD pairs in the world then for a very long time.

Ah..the good old days when the Sidek brothers were a fearsome lot, together with Park Joo Bong/Kim Moon Soo, Li Yongbo/Tian Bingyi, Edi Hartono/Rudy Gunawan.

[X Ball]

If it is true, then TBS should partner KKK and TBH should go with Zakry. But I'll be damn if these are allowed coz the rankings would no longer hold and Team Malaysia will not like it.

[abedeng]

BTW, Sideks has been growth up toghether in a family since they were borned.. It is not surprise & not wise to compare a sibbliings against any other MD players combination...

Bros may be bros, but when it comes to differences, it all counts.

In fact, Jalani Sidek mentioned this in public to try and counsel Cheah Soon Kit and Soo Beng Kiang out of their problem, way back in 1993.

[taufik-ist]

Ah..the good old days when the Sidek brothers were a fearsome lot, together with Park Joo Bong/Kim Moon Soo, Li Yongbo/Tian Bingyi, Edi Hartono/Rudy Gunawan.

edi hartono aka edi kempong is like sigit.. an attractive player :D

[Pemuda]

Consolidation my friend. Sometimes, if a company has outgrown the market, it is not too bad to consolidate and still make money. One does not need to increase revenues to make losses. My point is companies do well one day but due to unforseen circumstances also perform badly sometimes. Like LCW, if they can reign in their bad performances, they are able to restitute themselves and be the darlings of the people again. Nobody is perfect.

In Proton & MAS case how have they outgrown the market? :rolleyes: And care to explain a little about your "one does not need to increase revenues to make losses"?

My point is good policies coupled with leadership brings in steady growth i.e. results. In badminton context, if BAM's house are not in order, we will also have yo-yo like results.

[evan1222]

what attractive player? my gosh, sigit, joko and the rest hv those typical kampung face. Attractive? u are joking...

[huangkwokhau]

what attractive player? my gosh, sigit, joko and the rest hv those typical kampung face. Attractive? u are joking...

Taufik-ist likes chunky guys.....:D:D more meat to hug.....:D:D:D:D

[Pemuda]

You should consider Joining ROCKETs or the EYES. A good platform for you :D

samuel882,

Before you run your mouth off, I suggest you check your facts first. This way, at the very least you sound intelligent and not end up looking like a bellend.

I was responding to hcyong's statement "If you are looking for the root of the problem, look at how the Malaysian government shapes its policy in general."

Jakun betul.

[taufik-ist]

what attractive player? my gosh, sigit, joko and the rest hv those typical kampung face. Attractive? u are joking...

he..he

sorry.. what i meant "attractive" here is "exciting to watch him playing" :D :D
he always did many acrobatic-shot like sigit :p :p..

for sure
i'm really attractive than him :D :D

[evan1222]

Taufik-ist likes chunky guys.....:D:D more meat to hug.....:D:D:D:D
HUahuaha :D:D

I actually knw his meaning...attractive style of play.
Just tease him a bit.

[X Ball]

In Proton & MAS case how have they outgrown the market? :rolleyes: And care to explain a little about your "one does not need to increase revenues to make losses"?

My point is good policies coupled with leadership brings in steady growth i.e. results. In badminton context, if BAM's house are not in order, we will also have yo-yo like results.

Pemuda, do you really need to xplain (I am tired, should not have even mentioned it) ?

Anyway for this once, Proton has for many years pushed their dealers to accept cars (on consignment sometimes) to make numbers. A lot of the cars are left in the dealers' stockyards. At the same time, the market has shrunked with the AP's given to so many would-be businessmen pushing NAZA, HYUNDAI, CHEVIIES, etc. So the market is not big in totality. With consolidation, Proton has eased the manufacturing somewhat and for the stocks held, they are giving discounts to dealers to push the SAGA's, Perdana's, etc. out quickly. Similarly, with MAS, they have cut back all the non-profitable routes, which were part of an expansion program before (but now they realise, it is not the growth/revenues that matters, it is the profit -- by reducing the revenues from cutting of routes, they are actually making profit). MAS and Proton are good companies with huge potentials but sometimes marketing plans were too ambitious and these companies suffer. With new people on-board, they are obviously scaling back to make profits.

Badminton can also be up and down because certain policies that looked good at the time may not work, so BAM does the right thing by correcting it (as in Proton and MAS). If, we totally blast BAM, then perhaps it is not fair.

[Pemuda]

Actually, I have said it many times here that KKK/TBH have lost it. Many here are eager to jump on the KKK/TBH bandwagon and say that I was being negative etc. These bandwagoners provided a long list of 'excuses' like "they are still young, too much expectations and pressure, everyone now knows their game, they will bounce back stronger etc etc" .

Now, Rexy has come out in the open and the man has had enough. And seriously, Rexy dont deserve all this. He is a champion and a winner. I have said it for him to stay and coach these two dead beats is a waste of time and energy.

[Pemuda]

Taufik-ist likes chunky guys.....:D:D more meat to hug.....:D:D:D:D

Careful dude because samuel882 will come and hit you with an 'off topic' subject ;)

[taufik-ist]

HUahuaha :D:D

I actually knw his meaning...attractive style of play.
Just tease him a bit.

that's what i meant :D
attractive style of play = exciting to watch him playing :D :D

[badMania]

Now, Rexy has come out in the open and the man has had enough. And seriously, Rexy dont deserve all this. He is a champion and a winner. I have said it for him to stay and coach these two dead beats is a waste of time and energy.

Yup...we will throw a big welcoming arm to him back in Sukarno-Hatta for a grand welcoming party :p

[taufik-ist]

Taufik-ist likes chunky guys.....:D:D more meat to hug.....:D:D:D:D

he..he
i still do like "leng lui" :D :D :p

[badMania]

he..he
i still do like "leng lui" :D :D :p

Wah...u are so advanced....also know "leng lui".

[samuel882]

Just becoz of a young pair failed over & over again & suggest REXY to Leave MAS? Come on.. Growth up guys... We are not the one who can decided his future.. I believe MAS still have endless pool of talented MD players besides KKK/TBH who are desperate for a successful career in Badminton Arena..
and if REXY back to INa , a wholesome change of PBSI administration will be expected,
Where will they stand? for those MD coach like Sigit Pamungkas, who coached the INA World Champs ?? Sacked them to accommodate for REXY??

[taufik-ist]

Wah...u are so advanced....also know "leng lui".

he..he
hau ge has teached me :D :D

[tjl_vanguard]

i reli wonder wad made them into this rut...!!! :(

[huangkwokhau]

he..he
hau ge has teached me :D :D


:mad::mad: I never teach you anything yet....:D:D

[X Ball]

Actually, I have said it many times here that KKK/TBH have lost it. Many here are eager to jump on the KKK/TBH bandwagon and say that I was being negative etc. These bandwagoners provided a long list of 'excuses' like "they are still young, too much expectations and pressure, everyone now knows their game, they will bounce back stronger etc etc" .

Now, Rexy has come out in the open and the man has had enough. And seriously, Rexy dont deserve all this. He is a champion and a winner. I have said it for him to stay and coach these two dead beats is a waste of time and energy.

These two 'deadbeats' as you call them may not be that bad if what was reported (their egos overwhelming their relationship) can be repaired and they are made to understand their actions. The excuses that you indicated are valid because THEY ARE YOUNG (no two ways about it) and don't fully know their actions (their big egos) are not conducive to BADMINTON TEAM MALAYSIA.

When I was young I had an ego too, and still have, but not as big as theirs.:D KKK and TBH may be influenced externally (as reported in the Berita Harian) and if they have been, it shows they lack maturity. To give up without trying to educate them, would mean Malaysia has to start again with a new pair. As a fan, I would rather not see that. I would use my energy to counsel them until they get it right. The Chinese have a saying that if you don't fight you won't know each other -- let them get their steam out and learn to live with each other. I am pretty sure they will get their act together -- it would be stupid to carry on otherwise.

[Pemuda]

Pemuda, do you really need to xplain (I am tired, should not have even mentioned it) ?

Anyway for this once, Proton has for many years pushed their dealers to accept cars (on consignment sometimes) to make numbers. A lot of the cars are left in the dealers' stockyards. At the same time, the market has shrunked with the AP's given to so many would-be businessmen pushing NAZA, HYUNDAI, CHEVIIES, etc. So the market is not big in totality. With consolidation, Proton has eased the manufacturing somewhat and for the stocks held, they are giving discounts to dealers to push the SAGA's, Perdana's, etc. out quickly. Similarly, with MAS, they have cut back all the non-profitable routes, which were part of an expansion program before (but now they realise, it is not the growth/revenues that matters, it is the profit -- by reducing the revenues from cutting of routes, they are actually making profit). MAS and Proton are good companies with huge potentials but sometimes marketing plans were too ambitious and these companies suffer. With new people on-board, they are obviously scaling back to make profits.

Badminton can also be up and down because certain policies that looked good at the time may not work, so BAM does the right thing by correcting it (as in Proton and MAS). If, we totally blast BAM, then perhaps it is not fair.

My dear,

You need to be consistent. You are all over now, neither here nor there with your explaination.

On your claims that Proton has pushed their dealers to accept their cars ... are you saying those dealers of BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Nissan, Kia were never 'pushed' by their parent company into taking in more cars?? :rolleyes:

On the APs given to push Naza, Hyundai & Cheviies ... this is called competition. Tell that to companies like IBM, Sony, Shell, SIA.

MAS & Proton good companies?? Hmmm ... if they are good as what you claimed them to be, how come they are not global players yet?? Compare MAS to SIA for example. Proton if they claimed to make good cars, how come we dont see Protons abroad??

You still have not explain how MAS & Proton have outgrown the market.

Good policies will set you right in the long run. Half cooked policies will only address short term gains. Same applies to badminton.

[huangkwokhau]

i reli wonder wad made them into this rut...!!! :(


They are young people..thats why!!! they need to invite Tony/Candra...they can teach some valuable lessons to MAS....

[huangkwokhau]

wow..Pemuda and X-ball will start any star wars soon.....keep calm.....i know both of you love your country men to win.....may be Xball should invite Pemuda for lunch and talk heart to heart....now..he is your date...Xball....hehe

[samuel882]

They are young people..thats why!!! they need to invite Tony/Candra...they can teach some valuable lessons to MAS....
Innovative ideals ! BAM should considered hiring them as sparring partners for the MD squad... :rolleyes:;)

[X Ball]

he..he
hau ge has teached me :D :D

You ain't seen nothing yet Taufik-ist. Hau Ge has more to teach you given that you have not learned anything but Taufik. Once you have learned the word LCW, perhaps the teaching can stop.:D

[Pemuda]

Just becoz of a young pair failed over & over again & suggest REXY to Leave MAS? Come on.. Growth up guys... We are not the one who can decided his future.. I believe MAS still have endless pool of talented MD players besides KKK/TBH who are desperate for a successful career in Badminton Arena..
and if REXY back to INa , a wholesome change of PBSI administration will be expected,
Where will they stand? for those MD coach like Sigit Pamungkas, who coached the INA World Champs ?? Sacked them to accommodate for REXY??

Not suggesting, just voicing an opinion like everyone here. There is a difference between suggesting and voicing an opinion.
And yes come on ... grow up, not 'growth up'.

[samuel882]

wow..Pemuda and X-ball will start any star wars soon.....keep calm.....i know both of you love your country men to win.....may be Xball should invite Pemuda for lunch and talk heart to heart....now..he is your date...Xball....hehe
Definitely not a one-on-one lunch.. The Flames will be hard to stop :D:D

[X Ball]

My dear,

You need to be consistent. You are all over now, neither here nor there with your explaination.

On your claims that Proton has pushed their dealers to accept their cars ... are you saying those dealers of BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Nissan, Kia were never 'pushed' by their parent company into taking in more cars?? :rolleyes:

On the APs given to push Naza, Hyundai & Cheviies ... this is called competition. Tell that to companies like IBM, Sony, Shell, SIA.

MAS & Proton good companies?? Hmmm ... if they are good as what you claimed them to be, how come they are not global players yet?? Compare MAS to SIA for example. Proton if they claimed to make good cars, how come we dont see Protons abroad??

You still have not explain how MAS & Proton have outgrown the market.

Good policies will set you right in the long run. Half cooked policies will only address short term gains. Same applies to badminton.

What, after that long xplanation, you said I have not explained why they have outgrown the market ? I give up.

[X Ball]

My dear,
.

And you don't address a guy by "my dear" unless you are......urggggggh yak.:D

[Pemuda]

These two 'deadbeats' as you call them may not be that bad if what was reported (their egos overwhelming their relationship) can be repaired and they are made to understand their actions. The excuses that you indicated are valid because THEY ARE YOUNG (no two ways about it) and don't fully know their actions (their big egos) are not conducive to BADMINTON TEAM MALAYSIA.

When I was young I had an ego too, and still have, but not as big as theirs.:D KKK and TBH may be influenced externally (as reported in the Berita Harian) and if they have been, it shows they lack maturity. To give up without trying to educate them, would mean Malaysia has to start again with a new pair. As a fan, I would rather not see that. I would use my energy to counsel them until they get it right. The Chinese have a saying that if you don't fight you won't know each other -- let them get their steam out and learn to live with each other. I am pretty sure they will get their act together -- it would be stupid to carry on otherwise.

The molly cuddling continues!

Well, Rexy who has won everything in badminton mens' doubles is kinda fed up and may not want to coach this two young superstars anymore. Shall we get another coach who is more pleasing to the eye so that we can slowly nurture, counsel these two young superstars?

And if they fall flat in Beijing next year, its ok because they are still young. They are All England champion and we must treasure such gems.

Malaysia really Boleh!

[Pemuda]

What, after that long xplanation, you said I have not explained why they have outgrown the market ? I give up.

Well, if that is your outgrown the market explaination then I guess they need to update the business school in Harvard University. ;)

[X Ball]

Well, if that is your outgrown the market explaination then I guess they need to update the business school in Harvard University. ;)

Or better still, they should get you to teach economics to all of us.;)

[Pemuda]

And you don't address a guy by "my dear" unless you are......urggggggh yak.:D

Why?? you have a problem with your sexuality or something you have any inclination towards??

Dude, no worries man. Even if you are a "urggggggh yak" , it is not an issue with me.

[huangkwokhau]

Why?? you have a problem with your sexuality or something you have any inclination towards??

Dude, no worries man. Even if you are a "urggggggh yak" , it is not an issue with me.
:D:D PEMUDA is very open minded..I like that.......:D:D X-ball..Pemuda can accept who you are.....wow..I am really bad....gotta wait in 10 minutes to call for results.....:D:D

[Pemuda]

Or better still, they should get you to teach economics to all of us.;)

Yeah, the Keynesian theory will be right next to your "outgrown the market" thingy. :)

[X Ball]

Why?? you have a problem with your sexuality or something you have any inclination towards??

Dude, no worries man. Even if you are a "urggggggh yak" , it is not an issue with me.


Thank you for the conversation, it was interesting when it lasted.

[Pemuda]

Thank you for the conversation, it was interesting when it lasted.

While it lasted, my dear. ;)

[X Ball]

Yeah, the Keynesian theory will be right next to your "outgrown the market" thingy. :)


Ah, Keynesian and Classical theories........my loved topics at Uni.:)

[X Ball]

While it lasted, my dear. ;)

Sorry in this case when it lasted.;)

[taufik-ist]

The molly cuddling continues!

Well, Rexy who has won everything in badminton mens' doubles is kinda fed up and may not want to coach this two young superstars anymore. Shall we get another coach who is more pleasing to the eye so that we can slowly nurture, counsel these two young superstars?

And if they fall flat in Beijing next year, its ok because they are still young. They are All England champion and we must treasure such gems.

Malaysia really Boleh!

ya... betul

TBH/KKK shouldn't be treated as 'still young pair" anymore (they'd already won 4 ss tourneys in a row), that "they're still young" excuse will spoil them and will finally "bury" them

[taufik-ist]

:D:D PEMUDA is very open minded..I like that.......:D:D X-ball..Pemuda can accept who you are.....wow..I am really bad....gotta wait in 10 minutes to call for results.....:D:D

i wonder how much your phone-bill will cost ? :rolleyes: :D

[Pemuda]

ya... betul

TBH/KKK shouldn't be treated as 'still young pair" anymore (they'd already won 4 ss tourneys in a row), that "they're still young" excuse will spoil them and will finally "bury" them

Cannot la! We must continue to sayang and breast feed KKK/TBH because they are All England punya champion la.

KKK/TBH is our chance to take that first Olympic gold next year. And judging from their performance in the Kedah Open, their chances look great. They are young and we must support them fully.

[badMania]

i wonder how much your phone-bill will cost ? :rolleyes: :D

Don't u worry abt our dear Hau-Ge. He's loaded enough....lol :p

[huangkwokhau]

Don't u worry abt our dear Hau-Ge. He's loaded enough....lol :p
I am not loaded....:mad::mad:

[X Ball]

I am not loaded....:mad::mad:

You helped with the calls and they tease you. What are friends for ?:D

[huangkwokhau]

You helped with the calls and they tease you. What are friends for ?:D
:D:D I am waiting for my next dinner at Felix ( peninsula hotel in HK):D:D

[badMania]

I am not loaded....:mad::mad:

Don't worry Hau-Ge....I will treat u when u are here :D
That's what Brothers are for right :)

[huangkwokhau]

Don't worry Hau-Ge....I will treat u when u are here :D
That's what Brothers are for right :)
:D:D:D:D.............:D:D:D:D

[X Ball]

:D:D I am waiting for my next dinner at Felix ( peninsula hotel in HK):D:D

I don't know where Felix is but I conjecture it is some expensive joint. Happy eating.

[huangkwokhau]

I don't know where Felix is but I conjecture it is some expensive joint. Happy eating.
YES..YES very high end one......:D:D

[X Ball]

:D:D:D:D.............:D:D:D:D


I have a feeling I got you the dinner.:D

[X Ball]

YES..YES very high end one......:D:D

Make sure you order the most expensive.:D

[huangkwokhau]

Make sure you order the most expensive.:D
I know how to order...ate there before......:D:D poor badmania!!oops..he must be loaded..too:p:p

[badMania]

I know how to order...ate there before......:D:D poor badmania!!oops..he must be loaded..too:p:p

I am just a poor guy :p
And I never say I will treat u at Felix :p

[huangkwokhau]

I am just a poor guy :p
And I never say I will treat u at Felix :p
At least I make some suggestions....:D:D can be long lists too:D

[X Ball]

At least I make some suggestions....:D:D can be long lists too:D


Ooops, can I have just the soup of the day, a salad to go with that, and the bread on the house.:D And SKY JUICE!

[Sammy]

MAS now performing lah (profit). And Proton now making profit again. Apa ini !

Proton the best in Malaysia and Asia (going to be). Hahahaha....!!!!:D Hey, I saw a Proton with label "Saga Type R" somewhere in Penang.

[wilfredlgf]

Great.

Rexy.

KKK

TBH

BAM

Proton?

Don't you people have blogs to write or something?

[Ching293]

Rexy tak mahu latih Koo-TanOleh adminKamis, 20-September-2007, 09:00:58332 klikhttp://www.bulutangkis.com/images/friend.gif (http://www.bulutangkis.com/friend.php?op=FriendSend&artid=3006&PHPSESSID=7098209db9f34c3aa7553b5d51ebe8ad)http://www.bulutangkis.com/images/print.gif (http://www.bulutangkis.com/mod.php?mod=publisher&op=printarticle&artid=3006&PHPSESSID=7098209db9f34c3aa7553b5d51ebe8ad)JURULAT IH beregu Rexy Mainaky tidak mahu lagi membimbing Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong sekiranya pasangan itu berterusan membiarkan masalah peribadi mengganggu aksi mereka hingga gagal menyajikan aksi cemerlang di persada antarabangsa. Oleh Lukman Salleh

Jurulatih beri kata dua kepada beregu Sukan Asia segera selesai masalah peribadi

JURULATIH beregu Rexy Mainaky tidak mahu lagi membimbing Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong sekiranya pasangan itu berterusan membiarkan masalah peribadi mengganggu aksi mereka hingga gagal menyajikan aksi cemerlang di persada antarabangsa.

Beliau menyifatkan Kien Keat-Boon Heong kini sudah hilang kepercayaan antara satu sama lain serta masing-masing mahu menunjukkan ego dalam gelanggang, sehingga tidak dapat kembali ke kedudukan yang pernah menjulang mereka kepada empat kejuaraan antarabangsa.

''Secara jujur saya katakan, jika masalah antara mereka ini berterusan adalah lebih baik saya berhenti melatih mereka,'' kata Rexy.

''Kenapa saya harus membuangkan masa dan tenaga jika mereka tidak mahu mendengar nasihat saya dan tidak cuba menyelesaikan sesama sendiri.''

''Persembahan mereka di Jepun begitu buruk dan saya dapat perhatikan sudah tidak ada kepercayaan antara mereka di dalam gelanggang berbanding ketika mereka beraksi awal tahun ini.''

''Masing-masing sudah ada ego dan besar kepala serta menganggap diri mereka lebih baik daripada pasangan mereka hingga tidak lagi boleh berfungsi dengan baik di atas gelanggang.''

''Ini adalah masalah peribadi yang harus mereka selesaikan sesama sendiri kerana sebagai jurulatih saya hanya boleh memberikan tunjuk ajar dan teknik untuk meningkatkan prestasi mereka dan selebihnya terpulang kepada mereka.''

''Saya sudah memberi masa kepada mereka menyelesaikan masalah peribadi. Jika ia masih berpanjangan, saya mungkin tidak ada pilihan selain mengambil tindakan drastik kerana saya tidak mahu memberi gambaran yang salah kepada peminat mengenai kedudukan pasangan ini,'' kata Rexy.

Prestasi Kien Keat-Boon Heong begitu merosot selepas mengalami kekalahan pada Kejohanan Badminton Asia di Johor Bahru, April lalu dan gagal beraksi cemerlang di Kejohanan Dunia di Kuala Lumpur bulan lalu, apabila tersingkir di suku akhir dan sewaktu Terbuka Jepun terkandas di pusingan ketiga.

Bagi Rexy, masalah yang dihadapi pasangan itu hampir sama seperti yang dialami bekas beregu utama negara, Cheah Soon Kit-Soo Beng Kiang, yang tidak serasi dalam gelanggang hingga akhirnya dipisahkan apabila keadaan menjadi semakin sukar.

''Ia masalah yang sama seperti dialami Soon Kit-Beng Kiang,'' kata Rexy. ''Kurang komunikasi, kalau bertegur pun bukannya untuk kebaikan sendiri sebaliknya hanya meletakkan tekanan ke atas diri masing-masing.''

''Saya tidak tahu sama ada mereka mempunyai perasaan ini disebabkan pengaruh luar ataupun tidak, tetapi mereka harus faham bahawa mereka bermain untuk Malaysia dan jika gagal beraksi dengan bagus, semuanya akan berbalik kepada negara ini.''

''Mereka sudah memenangi kejuaraan antarabangsa seperti Seluruh England dan menewaskan pasangan terbaik dunia tetapi mereka seolah-olah tidak belajar daripada semua ini dan membiarkan perasaan dan ego membaluti diri mereka.''

''Saya harap masalah antara mereka berdua ini tidak berpanjangan dan mereka harus menyelesaikannya sendiri,'' kata Rexy.

(bharian.com.my)

[X Ball]

Proton the best in Malaysia and Asia (going to be). Hahahaha....!!!!:D Hey, I saw a Proton with label "Saga Type R" somewhere in Penang.


A guy who works for me told me his 17 yr old SAGA is still working like a dream - so there you are.:D

[ants]

..Rexy doesn't sound happy (is this what will be discussed with our ants??):p....translation requested, please..;):cool:

Yes... he is not happy with the pair. I kinda in a middle here. But then he is the coach..not me.

[X Ball]

Yes... he is not happy with the pair. I kinda in a middle here. But then he is the coach..not me.

Are you still in the middle ?:D

[ants]

Are you still in the middle ?:D

Like what people say... don't interfere with Family affairs. :)

[huangkwokhau]

Are you still in the middle ?:D

apparently our Ants like to be sandwich..........:D:D

[extremenanopowe]

No harm splitting some players again to keep the motivation (keep it fresh or let the players themselves choose their preferred partner). Am sure their opponents are very aware of their weakness be it game plan or mental plan. if they can win after 2 months of combination in AE, they can try doing it again. Of course provided that they can still qualify for the Olympics. ;)
Worth trying?

[amaze]

Cannot la! We must continue to sayang and breast feed KKK/TBH because they are All England punya champion la.

KKK/TBH is our chance to take that first Olympic gold next year. And judging from their performance in the Kedah Open, their chances look great. They are young and we must support them fully.

The same goes for Mr Yoyo Hafiz.... although he's losing and losing and losing:D

[Pemuda]

The same goes for Mr Yoyo Hafiz.... although he's losing and losing and losing:D

Hey, Hafiz won the Philippines Open last year :D And with that title, he is a contender for that gold in Beijing, plus he is still young.

[ctjcad]

and if REXY back to INa , a wholesome change of PBSI administration will be expected,
Where will they stand? for those MD coach like Sigit Pamungkas, who coached the INA World Champs ?? Sacked them to accommodate for REXY??
..if he were to go back to INA/PBSI??..well, Sigit Pamungkas can replace him (in BAM), can't he?? Look @ what he's done with Kido & Setiawan..:p;)

I don't know where Felix is but I conjecture it is some expensive joint. Happy eating.
:)..Loh posted something on Peninsula hotel in HK, here:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=665951&postcount=91 not sure if he actually ate there (@ Felix) or not??:confused:;)

[jimbo]

Badminton: Nadzmi the mediator


KUALA LUMPUR: Top men's doubles shuttlers Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong turned one year older last Tuesday. But they did not celebrate their birthday together because of a strained relationship that developed from their uninspiring performances in recent international tournaments.

Yesterday, the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) president, Datuk Nadzmi Mohd Salleh, stepped in to prevent a possible split in partnership with a pep talk with the duo at the BAM's office in Bukit Kiara here.

“I reminded that they are doubles players. The doubles is not only about Koo or Tan. They are two in one. They cannot afford to be individualistic on court. One must accommodate space for the other,” said Nadzmi.

“I do not want them to make the mistake by blaming each other for the failures. They must act together.”

In the World Championships last month, Kien Keat-Boon Heong failed to live up to expectations and were beaten in the quarter-finals by unheralded Japanese Shuichi Sakamoto-Shintaro Ikeda. And in the Japan Open last week, they suffered a second-round defeat by Indonesians Alven Yulianto-Luluk Hadiyanto.

National doubles coach Rexy Mainaky, who was also present at the meeting, pointed out that Kien Keat lacked faith in his partnership with Boon Heong.

“I met (Lee) Chong Wei the last time. I have to find out what went wrong with our top pair, who started out so well (by winning the Asian Games gold medal in Doha last December followed by victories in the Open tournaments in Malaysia, England and Switzerland),” said Nadzmi.

“I am glad that both of them were open to me. They need to learn to manage themselves – that is the key to get back to the top again. They are of different characters but they must stay united and work together towards the same goals.

“They have agreed that they did not want to waste anyone's time anymore. They are committed to bring honours to the country again. I reminded them of the Thomas Cup, which we hope to win next year and also the Beijing Olympics. I am happy to see that they were charged up after the meeting.”

Rexy wants Kien Keat-Boon Heong to start afresh.
“Koo needs to know Tan's strength. He tries to cover for Tan all the time. He must learn to understand his partner better. I see some positive changes in them today (during training). It is important they trust each other,” he said.

Boon Heong agreed that things were not rosy of late in his partnership with Kien Keat.
“Koo told the coach (Rexy) that I am not complementing him well. I do not blame him. He is so eager to win and I did not play up to his expectation in the last few tournaments,” he said.

“No, we have never talked about this. We are two different individuals. We do not share the same topics of discussion. We enter the court and try to give our best in our own ways.

“There is a problem but this is part and parcel of a partnership. But we will solve this and move forward again. I am determined to get this partnership back to top.”
For a restart, Boon Heong said that they would go out tomorrow for a belated birthday celebration. Boon Heong and Kien Keat are now 20 and 22 respectively.

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Any ideas where are going to celeberate their bday? May be zouk? :eek::D

[samuel882]

Rexy wants Kien Keat-Boon Heong to start afresh.
“Koo needs to know Tan's strength. He tries to cover for Tan all the time. He must learn to understand his partner better. I see some positive changes in them today (during training). It is important they trust each other,” he said.

- On many occasions when they failed to deliver, we saw Koo is trying hard to work as superman for covering Tan in all corners of the court. Tan might be lacking of experince compare with Koo, but Koo should learn to have more trust on him instead of trying to cover for his mistakes endlessly. This will definetely harmful to a partnership. Don't be surprise if Koo comes to Tan one of these day & said : "Hei.. Its me who covering you on the court all the times, Without me, you are a dead meat ! "

Boon Heong agreed that things were not rosy of late in his partnership with Kien Keat.
“Koo told the coach (Rexy) that I am not complementing him well. I do not blame him. He is so eager to win and I did not play up to his expectation in the last few tournaments,” he said.

- Tan Should have more eagerness to win as with his partner.. Koo did enjoyed a couple of success in his previus partnership.. Koo should encourage Tan to win all the time..


“No, we have never talked about this. We are two different individuals. We do not share the same topics of discussion. We enter the court and try to give our best in our own ways.

- A great partnership should not ONLY communicate on the court, they should mixed up well in their social life too..


MOST IMPORTANTLY,
RESPECT + TRUST +SELF MOTIVATION + DETERMINATION = KEY TO SUCCESS FOR THEM

[ixory]

why there so many 'drama' happened in MAS team nowaday??..first it's LCW and then TBH/KKK,who next??..*sigh*..hope they can heal their relationship as soon as possible as OG is 11 months away...:(

[Pemuda]

why there so many 'drama' happened in MAS team nowaday??..first it's LCW and then TBH/KKK,who next??..*sigh*..hope they can heal their relationship as soon as possible as OG is 11 months away...:(

Because the shuttlers are a pampered, over rated, half baked and glamour seeking lot. Like a spoilt child, they have to be molly cuddle all the time. They will go to Beijing next year as tourists la. Get knocked out early and then take in the sights of Beijing and do some shopping.

[X Ball]

why there so many 'drama' happened in MAS team nowaday??..first it's LCW and then TBH/KKK,who next??..*sigh*..hope they can heal their relationship as soon as possible as OG is 11 months away...:(
Life is never meant to be easy -- that is the challenge.:D

[X Ball]

Loh[/I] posted something on Peninsula hotel in HK, here:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=665951&postcount=91 not sure if he actually ate there (@ Felix) or not??:confused:;)

Looks good - can't see Loh eating there but I might be wrong.:D Cheers.

[X Ball]

apparently our Ants like to be sandwich..........:D:D


He is the meat ! ;)

Nazmi said the pair were in high spirit when they left. So expect their relationship to heal over time. We will know when they play again - I expect a title !:D

[huangkwokhau]

He is the meat ! ;)

Nazmi said the pair were in high spirit when they left. So expect their relationship to heal over time. We will know when they play again - I expect a title !:D


Hope they can prove it in Macau...I will be the witness there....:D:D

[ants]

When you are young.. things happened. They just cant cope with the things that are going their way right now. IT will be over soon. And nope.. they are not going to split.

[ctjcad]

Yes... he is not happy with the pair. I kinda in a middle here. But then he is the coach..not me.

Nazmi said the pair were in high spirit when they left. So expect their relationship to heal over time. We will know when they play again - I expect a title !:D

When you are young.. things happened. They just cant cope with the things that are going their way right now. IT will be over soon. And nope.. they are not going to split.
..KKK & TBH can "walk the talk and not just talk the walk"...eeerrr:confused:...wait, is it "walk the walk and not just talk the talk":confused::p....arrhh, whatever it is lah, let's hope they can work as a team, again..:cool:

[X Ball]

When you are young.. things happened. They just cant cope with the things that are going their way right now. IT will be over soon. And nope.. they are not going to split.

My sentiments too.;)

[huangkwokhau]

When you are young.. things happened. They just cant cope with the things that are going their way right now. IT will be over soon. And nope.. they are not going to split.
well..also it happens when you are not young either...:D:D
fine example: Luluk and Alvent...almost being splitted too but now they are improving.....as long as both are willing to complement each other, not blaming..it will be fine....remember there is one winner in each game as long as they play well...thats good sign!!!;);)

[samuel882]

well..also it happens when you are not young either...:D:D
fine example: Luluk and Alvent...almost being splitted too but now they are improving.....as long as both are willing to complement each other, not blaming..it will be fine....remember there is one winner in each game as long as they play well...thats good sign!!!;);)

Age is certainly not an excused of blaming each other in a partnership.
How old was Cheah Soon Kit/Soo Beng Kiang & CSK/YKH when their relationship turn fragile ??

[taufik-ist]

..KKK & TBH can "walk the talk and not just talk the walk"...eeerrr:confused:...wait, is it "walk the walk and not just talk the talk":confused::p....arrhh, whatever it is lah, let's hope they can work as a team, again..:cool:

hey..

as far as i remember

rexy and ricky rarely 'talked each other' and rarely hung out together, they weren't even in the same hotel room..

but they could still rule the MD during their era

[Pemuda]

He is the meat ! ;)

Nazmi said the pair were in high spirit when they left. So expect their relationship to heal over time. We will know when they play again - I expect a title !:D

They will retain that Kedah Open

[Pemuda]

hey..

as far as i remember

rexy and ricky rarely 'talked each other' and rarely hung out together, they weren't even in the same hotel room..

but they could still rule the MD in their era

Rexy and Ricky are absolute legends and should not be compared with flukes like KKK/TBH.

To compare them is like comparing Tiger Woods against Muthu Samy a/l Murugiah of Kelab Darul Ehsan. ;)

[X Ball]

They will retain that Kedah Open

Pemuda, that is childish the way you carry on.

[huangkwokhau]

hey..

as far as i remember

rexy and ricky rarely 'talked each other' and rarely hung out together, they weren't even in the same hotel room..

but they could still rule the MD during their era


May be one of them snore........:D:D if not the other could not get a good rest, it might harm their winning..thats why they were not in same room........who snores share room with snorer........:D:D

[huangkwokhau]

Rexy and Ricky are absolute legends and should not be compared with flukes like KKK/TBH.

To compare them is like comparing Tiger Woods against Muthu Samy a/l Murugiah of Kelab Darul Ehsan. ;)

:D:D..gosh..you are funny and sarcastic at the same time....:D:D tiger wood and Murugiah....

[ctjcad]

hey..

as far as i remember

rexy and ricky rarely 'talked each other' and rarely hung out together, they weren't even in the same hotel room..

but they could still rule the MD during their era
:p..okay, whatever method(s) they used, "sign language", "body language" or even "telepathy" i'm sure and let's hope KKK & TBH will find away and be happy once again, if not for the sake of the many M'sian BC fans here..;):cool:

[taufik-ist]

May be one of them snore........:D:D if not the other could not get a good rest, it might harm their winning..thats why they were not in same room........who snores share room with snorer........:D:D

he..he.. very funny..

btw which dvd-hd player brand is inexpensive but has good quality ? i want to buy one:D

[Pemuda]

Pemuda, that is childish the way you carry on.

Thats a fact. I am a realist. And you are hoping against the mother of all hopes. And if you find that childish, thats your perogative and I respect that. You dont see me calling you childish or naive for dreaming about KKK/TBH's revival because I respect your opinion. We are adults here, and I call on you to start acting your age rather than the size of your feet.

[Pemuda]

:D:D..gosh..you are funny and sarcastic at the same time....:D:D tiger wood and Murugiah....

Hey, this Muthu Samy chap is real. He is like a resident pro at Kelab Darul Ehsan. He is very colourful and has numerous bracelets and rings. And he walk around the golf course thinking he is numero uno. Full of colour and glamour but come competition time, koyak always.

[huangkwokhau]

Hey, this Muthu Samy chap is real. He is like a resident pro at Kelab Darul Ehsan. He is very colourful and has numerous bracelets and rings. And he walk around the golf course thinking he is numero uno. Full of colour and glamour but come competition time, koyak always.
:D:D thats funny..he must be the queen of numero uno....:D:D I guess he wears too heavy bracelets and rings so he cant swing well...thats he always koyak...:D:D

[ixory]

Life is never meant to be easy -- that is the challenge.:D

ya..it's like tom and jerry kids.Jerry will damn bored if tom not chasing him..:D



When you are young.. things happened. They just cant cope with the things that are going their way right now. IT will be over soon. And nope.. they are not going to split.

ya,but if they failed to shine again rexy will left them.:crying:



hey..

as far as i remember

rexy and ricky rarely 'talked each other' and rarely hung out together, they weren't even in the same hotel room..

but they could still rule the MD during their era

i tot they are best friend..

[taufik-ist]

wow....

pemuda vs xball continues :)

[samuel882]

EXCUSE ME !!! I am TOTALLY lost.. From PROTON to TIGER WOODS to Muthu Samy ( I don't know who the heck is that !) :o ......

[taufik-ist]

i tot they are best friend..

they're best friend.. :D .... it's weird isn't it..

[huangkwokhau]

they're best friend.. :D .... it's weird isn't it..
told you..must be snoring thing..it is common..........:D

[ctjcad]

wow....

pemuda vs xball continues :)

EXCUSE ME !!! I am TOTALLY lost.. From PROTON to TIGER WOODS to Muthu Samy ( I don't know who the heck is that !) :o ......
..Pemuda is pulling X Ball's legs...:p

[ixory]

told you..must be snoring thing..it is common..........:D
who snoring ricky or rexy??:D:D

[huangkwokhau]

who snoring ricky or rexy??:D:D

I have to guess it is Rexy..........:D:D it is not a sure thing....it is a guess why they never share a room....may be one of them has sleeping walk and do some smashing styles...:D:D

[Hitman71]

x ball / pemuda = KKK / TBH

now I understand :D :D :D

[Pemuda]

Rexy wants Kien Keat-Boon Heong to start afresh.
“Koo needs to know Tan's strength. He tries to cover for Tan all the time. He must learn to understand his partner better. I see some positive changes in them today (during training). It is important they trust each other,” he said.

- On many occasions when they failed to deliver, we saw Koo is trying hard to work as superman for covering Tan in all corners of the court. Tan might be lacking of experince compare with Koo, but Koo should learn to have more trust on him instead of trying to cover for his mistakes endlessly. This will definetely harmful to a partnership. Don't be surprise if Koo comes to Tan one of these day & said : "Hei.. Its me who covering you on the court all the times, Without me, you are a dead meat ! "

Boon Heong agreed that things were not rosy of late in his partnership with Kien Keat.
“Koo told the coach (Rexy) that I am not complementing him well. I do not blame him. He is so eager to win and I did not play up to his expectation in the last few tournaments,” he said.

- Tan Should have more eagerness to win as with his partner.. Koo did enjoyed a couple of success in his previus partnership.. Koo should encourage Tan to win all the time..


“No, we have never talked about this. We are two different individuals. We do not share the same topics of discussion. We enter the court and try to give our best in our own ways.

- A great partnership should not ONLY communicate on the court, they should mixed up well in their social life too..


MOST IMPORTANTLY,
RESPECT + TRUST +SELF MOTIVATION + DETERMINATION = KEY TO SUCCESS FOR THEM


So colourful. Pre school stuff la

[Pemuda]

..Pemuda is pulling X Ball's legs...:p

... and samuel882 will be taking out his crayons to do his colouring ;)

[Pemuda]

x ball / pemuda = KKK / TBH

now I understand :D :D :D

Dont get us wrong. We are just exchanging our view points. XBall is a passionate Msian fan and I respect his views and enjoy our debates tremendously. Infact, I will say this, I believe BAM should have more people like XBall, then maybe we can see some progress in Msian badminton.

[taufik-ist]

Dont get us wrong. We are just exchanging our view points. XBall is a passionate Msian fan and I respect his views and enjoy our debates tremendously. Infact, I will say this, I believe BAM should have more people like XBall, then maybe we can see some progress in Msian badminton.

it should be you, pemuda :p:p

[abedeng]

hey..

as far as i remember

rexy and ricky rarely 'talked each other' and rarely hung out together, they weren't even in the same hotel room..

but they could still rule the MD during their era

Because what is important is their communication on court! :D

Much like the Sidek brothers .....

[Pemuda]

it should be you, pemuda :p:p

The Malaysian Boleh environment wont work for me I am afraid.

[badMania]

They will retain that Kedah Open

Add the National Title to that :)
And if Rexy wants them to start playing from the lowest again (as some suggested), then throw them in the Malaysia Satellite this coming November (I believe) :D

[X Ball]

Dont get us wrong. We are just exchanging our view points. XBall is a passionate Msian fan and I respect his views and enjoy our debates tremendously. Infact, I will say this, I believe BAM should have more people like XBall, then maybe we can see some progress in Msian badminton.

Now that is a compliment I cannot refuse provided it is not in the same vain as "they will retain the Kedah Open".:D

[Pemuda]

Now that is a compliment I cannot refuse provided it is not in the same vain as "they will retain the Kedah Open".:D

Kedah Open ok ma ;)

[abedeng]

I am sure we forummers have more passion than most if not all national badminton associations.

X-Ball, Pemuda, Ants, hcyong etc can lead BAM, Taufik-ist, Indra, Krisna, Hau-ge, BadMania etc can helm PBSI, Loh can take over SBA ........ :D:D:D and together, we can bring down or at least balance the power of the Great Wall.

[Pemuda]

I am sure we forummers have more passion than most if not all national badminton associations.

X-Ball, Pemuda, Ants, hcyong etc can lead BAM, Taufik-ist, Indra, Krisna, Hau-ge, BadMania etc can helm PBSI, Loh can take over SBA ........ :D:D:D and together, we can bring down or at least balance the power of the Great Wall.

Be involved in BAM? Thanks for the confidence in the first place. But no thanks. I rather be a paying spectator and travel the world. My kind wont be able to stomach the politics and boots polishing in the BAM setup.

[huangkwokhau]

I am sure we forummers have more passion than most if not all national badminton associations.

X-Ball, Pemuda, Ants, hcyong etc can lead BAM, Taufik-ist, Indra, Krisna, Hau-ge, BadMania etc can helm PBSI, Loh can take over SBA ........ :D:D:D and together, we can bring down or at least balance the power of the Great Wall.


Are you proposing 3 way competition, Abang???:D:D

[huangkwokhau]

Be involved in BAM? Thanks for the confidence in the first place. But no thanks. I rather be a paying spectator and travel the world. My kind wont be able to stomach the politics and boots polishing in the BAM setup.
Thats why BAM needs you..no politics and BS are allowed ...if you do not perform..you Tewas....:D:D

[samuel882]

The Malaysian Boleh environment wont work for me I am afraid.

by contrary meants u a TAK BOLEH malaysian ??

I fink u will get what i meant here :D:D

[abedeng]

BAM wasn't so much embroiled in politics until the Thomas Cup victory in 1992. After that win, everyone wanted to take over so that their name can be etched in history.

Till now, I am still pissed off as to how Dr Elyas Omar was brought down .....

[taufik-ist]

BAM wasn't so much embroiled in politics until the Thomas Cup victory in 1992. After that win, everyone wanted to take over so that their name can be etched in history.

Till now, I am still pissed off as to how Dr Elyas Omar was brought down .....

could you tell 'us' more ? :D :D :D

[huangkwokhau]

BAM wasn't so much embroiled in politics until the Thomas Cup victory in 1992. After that win, everyone wanted to take over so that their name can be etched in history.

Till now, I am still pissed off as to how Dr Elyas Omar was brought down .....


I did not know that....can you elaborate??

[Pemuda]

by contrary meants u a TAK BOLEH malaysian ??

I fink u will get what i meant here :D:D

Is this a Malaysian Boleh punya Malaysian? ;)

[samuel882]

Is this a Malaysian Boleh punya Malaysian? ;)
ME? sometimes BOLEH sometimes tak boleh.. ;)

[Pemuda]

Thats why BAM needs you..no politics and BS are allowed ...if you do not perform..you Tewas....:D:D

Nevermind, you can menang all you want.

[Pemuda]

ME? sometimes BOLEH sometimes tak boleh.. ;)

Sometimes meants, sometimes fink is it?? :)

[badMania]

I am sure we forummers have more passion than most if not all national badminton associations.

X-Ball, Pemuda, Ants, hcyong etc can lead BAM, Taufik-ist, Indra, Krisna, Hau-ge, BadMania etc can helm PBSI, Loh can take over SBA ........ :D:D:D and together, we can bring down or at least balance the power of the Great Wall.

Amen.....:D

My proposal:
Krisna (PBSI Head...in 2028...he said so :D)
Hau-Ge (Sponsorship)
Chris (External Relations)
Indra (Coach :D)
Taufik-ist (Chief IT)
badMania and Sandy (Talent Scout :D)

[Pemuda]

Amen.....:D

My proposal:
Krisna (PBSI Head...in 2028...he said so :D)
Hau-Ge (Sponsorship)
Chris (External Relations)
Indra (Coach :D)
Taufik-ist (Chief IT)
badMania and Sandy (Talent Scout :D)

What about samuel882??? The boy is kinda good with his crayons and colouring. ;)

[badMania]

What about samuel882??? The boy is kinda good with his crayons and colouring. ;)

I am talking abt PBSI......let X-Ball handle the BAM side :p

[badMania]

What about samuel882??? The boy is kinda good with his crayons and colouring. ;)

In that case he is up for the Chief of Advertising in BAM (subject to X-Ball's approval of course) :D

[samuel882]

Amen.....:D

My proposal:
Krisna (PBSI Head...in 2028...he said so :D)
Hau-Ge (Sponsorship)
Chris (External Relations)
Indra (Coach :D)
Taufik-ist (Chief IT)
badMania and Sandy (Talent Scout :D)

Mind I volunteer myself for Chef De Commission :eek:of PBSI for every major tournaments ? :p

[badMania]

Mind I volunteer myself for Chef De Commission :eek:of PBSI for every major tournaments ? :p

Hey, you are not Indonesian :confused:

[Pemuda]

Hey, you are not Indonesian :confused:

Make an exception la. The lad will design the Indonesian shirt with bright glowing colours and all.

[huangkwokhau]

Make an exception la. The lad will design the Indonesian shirt with bright glowing colours and all.

make sure the shirts are glowing enough to blind the opponents........:D:D

[X Ball]

In that case he is up for the Chief of Advertising in BAM (subject to X-Ball's approval of course) :D

APPROVED !!!!! I approve everything and anything especially if it is to make anyone happy.:D:)

[badMania]

So our boy here will be designing T-shirts and adverts for both BAM and PBSI (subject to Krisna's approval again) :p

[samuel882]

APPROVED !!!!! I approve everything and anything especially if it is to make anyone happy.:D:)

DESIGNER for MAS team? not bad :D:D But how will be my salary scheme? :rolleyes:

[samuel882]

So our boy here will be designing T-shirts and adverts for both BAM and PBSI (subject to Krisna's approval again) :p

And I will popularized badminton Worldwide by designing all those Unique T-Shirts. Trust me , even the African will know MAS & INA = Badminton Power soon :eek::D:D

[Pemuda]

DESIGNER for MAS team? not bad :D:D But how will be my salary scheme? :rolleyes:

Well, you will get unlimited amounts of sweets and lollypops plus we will throw in a set of Elmo of Sesame Street play tunes as an added perk.

[ants]

This is way out of hand.

[eaglehelang]

from New Straits Times

Badminton: Top pair promise gold in Beijing


21 September, 2007

KOO Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong, who have been going through a lean spell the last six months, have promised to put aside their differences in order to win gold for the nation in next year's Beijing Olympics. Kien Keat-Boon Heong made their pledge to BA of Malaysia (BAM) president Datuk Nadzmi Salleh and national doubles coach Rexy Mainaky after a two-and-a-half hour meeting at Juara Stadium yesterday.

Rexy had suspected that Kien Keat, 22, and Boon Heong, 20, did not trust each other on court, which subsequently caused their performance to take a nose-dive.

The worst was witnessed in last month's World Championships where they lost to Japan's Shuichi Sakamoto-Shintaro Ikeda in the quarter-finals, while Indonesia's Luluk Hadiyanto-Alven Yulianto beat them in the second round of the Japan Open last week.

Nadzmi said yesterday's meeting was fruitful as both players admitted their mistakes and, not only have they promised to work together as a pair, but also want to become Olympic champions.

"Kien Keat and Boon Heong have admitted their mistakes and want to focus on their efforts to win the Olympic gold," said Nadzmi.

"In order to do so, they cannot be individualistic and must realise that synergy is the key to their success.

"I have also explained to them that we want their commitment and not compliance. They have to have the desire to win the Olympic gold and should not do it because everyone wants them to.

"They had an explosive start to their partnership but must realise now that it is not plain sailing anymore as their rivals are also monitoring their progress.

"The Doha Asian Games (last year) was their best performance and to reach that level again, their mentality must change. They cannot take tournaments for granted and their approach must always be serious."

Nadzmi added: "The meeting has been very positive and going by their positive feedback, I'm confident Kien Keat-Boon Heong will bounce back."

Rexy said that Kien Keat, the more experienced of the two, must play his part wisely and not suffocate Boon Heong by being too dominant.

Since Boon Heong admitted that inexperience and lack of confidence had affected his recent performance, Rexy believes the former needs the support of Kien Keat in turning their careers around.

"It is up to them now as I've been doing everything I can to make sure Kien Keat and Boon Heong hit the top again. They have expressed their dream to become the Olympic champions and they must start managing themselves towards that goal," said Rexy.

"Kien Keat needs to understand Boon Heong's character, communicate more to understand the strengths and weaknesses of his partner who is younger and less experienced.

"Kien Keat should lead the way but must give Boon Heong breathing space to develop. Both players must have trust each others' game. I'm convinced they will start showing progress."

[V3i HoN6]

I'm started to feel sick of their news.
It's too dramatic and I don't really think rexy are so free to give all this comments and everything to the press instead of tell to the kids directly.

[abedeng]

From the mid to late 70s, Malaysian badminton had become bland. The last Thomas Cup victory in 1967 is but a dream. Afterwards, even getting to the final rounds was a challenge. We even had trouble against Thailand.

After Ng Boon Bee and Punch Gunalan retired, about the only world class players we had during the era was the 1st doubles pair of Dominic Soong/HC Cheah. Dominic has since emigrated to Canada, if I am not mistaken.

What did we win during that time? Hmm, let's see, Commonwealth Games and SEA Games Medals (only 1 of which is Gold, and that too from Sylvia Ng). We were overmatched even at SEA Games level, and our best team competition result was the 1976 Thomas Cup, where we qualified for the final only to be blanked by Indonesia.

BAM mgmt at that time was unspectacular.

Then came the Sidek brothers and Ong Beng Teong in 1980. From the time Misbun/Jalani Sidek qualified for the World Championship semis (losing to Ade Candra/Christian Hadinata) to when Misbun himself humbled the then All-England champion Prakash Padukone, BAM was aware that it has the necessary material to pose a serious challenge.

So what did BAM do? Nothing much. Even though Malaysia became one of the more dominant countries in badminton again, the critical aspect of coaching was not improved. Misbun Sidek had to resort to training by himself once to prepare for competition, and he proved his worth by beating many higher ranked players to finish runnerup.

It seemed that BAM had not much ambition at the time. This changed when Dr Elyas Omar (then Mof Kuala Lumpur) took over. First thing he did was to employ Chinese top drawer coaches. Fang Kaixiang became the 1st, followed by Han Jian, Yang Yang, Chen Changjie etc. Imagine this, within less than 6 months training under Coach Fang, Malaysia qualified for its 1st ever Thomas Cup final in 21 years. The title was to come 4 years later.

Elyas also adopted the open door policy, players can speak freely to him on whatever issues they have and he would try to resolve them.

After the Thomas Cup victory in 1992, players were starting to get spoilt with too many incentives and rewards (the origin of the big headed mentality). Such that in the Olympic Games a few months later, only Razif/Jalani Sidek managed to maintain their form and grab a bronze medal. Indonesia, humbled in the Thomas Cup, regained their pride with the (now married) pair of Alan Budi Kusuma and Susi Susanti. Not only that, they captured 3 of 4 MS semis slot.

With the success in 1992, aspiring politicians began to weave their web to take control of BAM Management (much like BWF now). Elyas Omar left, replaced by his politically strong deputy, but we never managed to regain the Thomas Cup or any high level titles. Veteran players (such as the Sidek Brothers) were very unhappy with the way Elyas was treated, they did not reconcile with the BAM until only recently.

Koo/Tan's victories in Doha Asiad and All-England seemed to show that BAM is regaining its form under the current (less political) leadership. But by now it has the added burden of big-headed players and the stigma from the BWF leadership crisis.

[V3i HoN6]

Wow. great info there on the history of Badminton Malaysia.
How is Misbun doing during his days as a player?

I first started watching when Rashid and Foo Kok Keong played. Rashid is pretty much like today Chong Wei only Chong Wei are slightly more consistent. Both are skillful and agile but less powerfull play. Live under the shadow of Arbi/Ardy/Alan and Sun Jun, like today chong wei's LD/TH but still can beat them on a good day.
But CW is now moving away under the shade of LD and TH.

[abedeng]

Misbun had a certain medical condition that made his performance roughly inconsistent. He can beat the best players on some days and lose to unknowns on other days. Initially, I thought he was inconsistent until the info on his medical history came out.

But there was no doubting his talent. But I do wish he was given better quality coaching in his career. By the time Fang Kaixiang came along, Misbun was almost at the end of his career.

Err, Rashid is not like LCW at all, he has limited defense (exploited by Arbi on countless occasions including 1994 Thomas Cup final). Although he had better stamina, more consistent and is faster, I would rate Misbun as the better player overall. Rashid had the tendency to give up too easily, quite the opposite of Foo Kok Keong.

[jimbo]

You reminded me of a match between FooKK vs Ardy Wiranata (I think it's Thomas Cup 92). The match lasted in rubber sets and FooKK vomitted after the marathon match. He was a real fighter and I cant imagine if any players could last the match in long rallies. No smashing, just hitting four corners shots.

Rashid is very talented but mentally not strong (compared to FooKK). I'm not in the Misbun era so no comment but I heard his cross court drop was his best weapon. Anyway, all of them are great players and made us (Msians) proud.

Msia Boleh...!!!

[badMania]

Err, Rashid is not like LCW at all, he has limited defense (exploited by Arbi on countless occasions including 1994 Thomas Cup final). Although he had better stamina, more consistent and is faster, I would rate Misbun as the better player overall. Rashid had the tendency to give up too easily, quite the opposite of Foo Kok Keong.

I vaguely remember that during one Thomas Cup match, Ardy B. Wiranata came back from 1-14 to actually level the score when playing either Foo or Rashid. I forgot who won the match :cool:

[badMania]

You reminded me of a match between FooKK vs Ardy Wiranata (I think it's Thomas Cup 92). The match lasted in rubber sets and FooKK vomitted after the marathon match. He was a real fighter and I cant imagine if any players could last the match in long rallies. No smashing, just hitting four corners shots.

Rashid is very talented but mentally not strong (compared to FooKK). I'm not in the Misbun era so no comment but I heard his cross court drop was his best weapon. Anyway, all of them are great players and made us (Msians) proud.

Msia Boleh...!!!

Arhh...these could be the match I was mentioning? An excellent match which is still in my mind until now...although honestly I forgot who won the match.

[jimbo]

Arhh...these could be the match I was mentioning? An excellent match which is still in my mind until now...although honestly I forgot who won the match.

If my memory serves me right, yes, this is the game. I glued on the TV screen for the match and if I'm not mistaken, it lasted more than 1hr :eek:. I think FooKK won but Ardy was a fighter. :)

[extremenanopowe]

Well, there's olympic to target on. lets hope the jalur gemilang can do well. Again, its all mental from now on. The coaches has already given all the have.
rgds ;)

[twinshk]

I think Ardy was the first MS during TC 1992 (he was playing Rashid). If I'm not wrong, the second MS was Alan.



Arhh...these could be the match I was mentioning? An excellent match which is still in my mind until now...although honestly I forgot who won the match.

[ye333]

First thing first: if any of the current MD pairs around the world can reach the level of Ricky/Rexy, it got to be KKK/TBH. No other pair has any chance.

Then summary of my view: Both KKK and TBH are still young, in the sense that they still do not know themselves (regarding badminton of course). The recent drop of performance is due to both of them trying to play better. Fans and coaches should be patient. Rexy should remember that KKK/TBH is for 2012, not 2008.

Now my guess/analysis. TBH started to play elite badminton at the young age of 19, and it seemed all so easy -- these "great pairs" were like paper tigers, they were soooo weak! There seemed to be an infinity of possibilities lying ahead of him regarding how to play even better badminton. Consequently and not surprisingly, he lost himself.

Why KKK and TBH seem not in harmony on court now? When they started to pair, the roles are clear: KKK is the leader. But after they had convincingly beaten almost all the top MD pairs, it is inevitable that TBH started to have his own point of view about the game, and would not simply follow KKK's leadership. Now we have two egos clashing, neither is accepting the role the other assigns. No wonder the performance dropped.

But this is a good thing. This is a necessary preparation stage for their leap to an even higher level. When they have learned enough from failures, both KKK and TBH will know the limits of their abilities and more importantly how to use their abilities. Then they will reach a higher level of harmony, like that between Ricky/Rexy and Tony/Candra. And they will be a truly formidable pair.

[chibe_K]

Maybe KKK and TBH should play a MS match and decide who the boss is on the court !

[ctjcad]

Why KKK and TBH seem not in harmony on court now? When they started to pair, the roles are clear: KKK is the leader.
..i would somewhat agree, ye333..IMO, KKK **should be** the leader (mentally & attitude) of the 2, because of his age/older and him being a bit more experience..:cool:

[ctjcad]

But by now it has the added burden of big-headed players and the stigma from the BWF leadership crisis.
(rest of abedeng's comprehensive acct. of BAM's history snipped for brevity-thanks btw:cool:)..
..So, in your opinion, what could be the underlying factor in M'sia's badminton "unstable" (if that's the right word) history?? Is it simply leadership??..:confused:

[ants]

KKK/TBH is in another transition period. They need to fine tune their mentality on court. Personally they dont have any problem with each other.

[taufik-ist]

KKK/TBH is in another transition period. They need to fine tune their mentality on court. Personally they dont have any problem with each other.

yesterday
ESPN-malaysia had special report and discussed about KKK/TBH's downhill

[ants]

yesterday
ESPN-malaysia had special report and discussed about KKK/TBH's downhill


I saw that too... its just media.

[samuel882]

I saw that too... its just media.

Whatever it is, let just hopes they will stay focus on the task ahead..
It is not easy to find such an exciting pairs nowadays ;)

[Yojimbo]

Hey ants...yesterday on ESPN KKK said that he's still figuring out the problems with his partnership with TBH....can clarify that?

[taufik-ist]

Hey ants...yesterday on ESPN KKK said that he's still figuring out the problems with his partnership with TBH....can clarify that?

i heard that 2 on tv....

[chris-ccc]

Why KKK and TBH seem not in harmony on court now? When they started to pair, the roles are clear: KKK is the leader. But after they had convincingly beaten almost all the top MD pairs, it is inevitable that TBH started to have his own point of view about the game, and would not simply follow KKK's leadership. Now we have two egos clashing, neither is accepting the role the other assigns. No wonder the performance dropped.




Now, both KKK and TBH should have equal say.

What I've read from Rexy's comments (if I am not wrong) is that, KKK does not appreciate more of TBH's strength, but worries more about TBH's weakness. No wonder TBH is not satisfied.

TBH does not have vulnerable weakness anyway.

[ants]

Hey ants...yesterday on ESPN KKK said that he's still figuring out the problems with his partnership with TBH....can clarify that?

That partnership means their communication and roles on court.
In terms of personal relationship with each other they are ok.

[llpjlau]

Well, you will get unlimited amounts of sweets and lollypops plus we will throw in a set of Elmo of Sesame Street play tunes as an added perk.

you got to stay real. you are well aware that samuel882 is not a kid.