This is a spin-off from the "Taufik "best player in the world", says Lin (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47691)" thread.

Please pick, based on your own criteria (career achievement, talent, skills, consistency, ... whatever), the rankings of the 3 best MS players in the world at present,

(A) Lin Dan > Taufik > Chong Wei

(B) Taufik > Lin Dan > Chong Wei

(C) Lin Dan > Chong Wei > Taufik

(D) Taufik > Chong Wei > Lin Dan

(E) Chong Wei > Lin Dan > Taufik

(F) Chong Wei > Taufik > Lin Dan

(A) Lin Dan > Taufik > Chong Wei

LD and TH are the best.
People will only remember the players who won big events.

LD and TH are the best.
People will only remember the players who won big events.

So between LD and TH, who is better?

I choose A.
LD > TH > LCW

Me too.

So far ...

(A) LD > TH > LCW -- 3
drifit
dannyang
Inky2000


The rest ... 0

LD and TH are the best.
People will only remember the players who won big events.we have internet now, who wins what is much easier to find and know. The main question is how we define 'best'.

we have internet now, who wins what is much easier to find and know. The main question is how we define 'best'.

I agree ..................

we have internet now, who wins what is much easier to find and know. The main question is how we define 'best'.

That's why I've stated that "based on your OWN criteria" ... even if it's merely sentimental preference.

I choose to vote for Yang Yang.

SHOULD have This one instead

Yang Yang > Zhao Jian Hua > Icuk > Morten Frost:eek: :p

That's why I've stated that "based on your OWN criteria" ... even if it's merely sentimental preference.
People will vote on their favorites only...I do not think people will think....I am die hard fans of LCW...I will put LCW over LD or TH...it is better that you provide the achievements and facts..... People make up their mind already anyway...

SHOULD have This one instead

Yang Yang > Zhao Jian Hua > Icuk > Morten Frost:eek: :p


If you start like this. then Lim Swie King>Yang Yang? ZJH>Morten..haiya...

How about the Sarsi-drinking Xiong Guobao? He deserves some mention!

How about Rudy Hartono?

How about Rudy Hartono?Good call, that.

I would also like to nominate Peter-Gade Christensen and Hariyanto Arbi.

Agreed! If LCW can't win any major event. He is nobody when he retire.His name will not be mention or people will tend to forget about him in time to come.Really no big deal to win few Open tournament no matter how good you are... LCW has all the skill, fitness etc... but only lack of mental strength during big event...Hope he can counter this...

LD and TH are the best.
People will only remember the players who won big events.

The scope of this poll: only presently active players!

Okay, we can bring Gade in. So please rank the four heavenly kings AT PRESENT (PG has been declining lately but he is still one of the players to beat).

Mine:

LD > TH > PG > LCW

The scope of this poll: only presently active players!

Okay, we can bring Gade in. So please rank the four heavenly kings AT PRESENT (PG has been declining lately but he is still one of the players to beat).

Mine:

LD > TH > PG > LCW

Thanks for make urself clear on this thread.. Otherwise all of us keeps on rounding the garden:D:D

(C) Lin Dan > Peter Gade > Chong Wei > Taufik

Lin Dan is the best bcoz he can change his attitude in short time.

Peter Gade is bcoz he is the onlyer play that i see him playing badminton and i will very relax.

Chong Wei Malaysian play and i support him very much, but he make me fail many time already, like this year world champianship. he do not play as good as he can.

i see Taufik badminton, i fell he easy give up.

This is a spin-off from the "Taufik "best player in the world", says Lin (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47691)" thread.

Please pick, based on your own criteria (career achievement, talent, skills, consistency, ... whatever), the rankings of the 3 best MS players in the world at present,

(A) Lin Dan > Taufik > Chong Wei

(B) Taufik > Lin Dan > Chong Wei

CO 2007 WC2007
(C) Lin Dan > Chong Wei > Taufik

(D) Taufik > Chong Wei > Lin Dan

(E) Chong Wei > Lin Dan > Taufik

JO 2007
(F) Chong Wei > Taufik > Lin Dan

from time to time what i mean, according to their achievement...the rest couldn't be defined....even though with lots of arguements....:rolleyes:

The scope of this poll: only presently active players!

Somebody's pissed off! :D

Not voting though since sentimental and personal preference is allowed (which is not very unusual anyway) as LD is a sure win by the sheer number of supporters who likes his hair style and cool demeanour.

My personal preference (based on dream).

me > rest of world

My personal preference (based on dream).

me > rest of world
That's the spirit!

"I only take care of number one".

Hi-5!

Thanks for make urself clear on this thread.. Otherwise all of us keeps on rounding the garden:D:D
may i consider PG as level 2:
PG/BCL/CJ/Sony/Boonsak
and level 3:
WCH/CY/Susilo/Simon/CYK/NTM/Anup...;)

may i consider PG as level 2:
PG/BCL/CJ/Sony/Boonsak
and level 3:
WCH/CY/Susilo/Simon/CYK/NTM/Anup...;)

I think PG used to be at Level 1 until LD emerged to dominate MS in 2003. I still regard PG as somewhere between Level 1 & 2 (or we can call it Level 1.5; and so are BCL and CJ). If we look at the career achievement, PG did have his days (but again, he has yet to win OG and WC, but only AE).

Rudy Hartono > Yang Yang > Alan Kopp

Rudy Hartono > Yang Yang > Alan Kopp

The scope of this poll: only presently active players!

This is a spin-off from the "Taufik "best player in the world", says Lin (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47691)" thread.

Please pick, based on your own criteria (career achievement, talent, skills, consistency, ... whatever), the rankings of the 3 best MS players in the world at present,

(A) Lin Dan > Taufik > Chong Wei

(B) Taufik > Lin Dan > Chong Wei

(C) Lin Dan > Chong Wei > Taufik

(D) Taufik > Chong Wei > Lin Dan



Its should be : LD = TH = LCW



(E) Chong Wei > Lin Dan > Taufik

(F) Chong Wei > Taufik > Lin Dan

If it was not based on past achievements..
My pick will be (G) NONE OF THE ABOVE ;)

Both of this three musketeers can beat each others on any given day.. :)

I think PG used to be at Level 1 until LD emerged to dominate MS in 2003. I still regard PG as somewhere between Level 1 & 2 (or we can call it Level 1.5; and so are BCL and CJ). If we look at the career achievement, PG did have his days (but again, he has yet to win OG and WC, but only AE).
actually not much difference since the lower are capable to defeat those higher

Rudy Hartono > Yang Yang > Alan Kopp

Rudy Hartono admire Yang Yang as the best player that he ever seen!

So, according to his opinion, it should be: Yang Yang > Rudy Hartono

Hi, I've just found this interesthing forum last night:). I've read some thread and posts, and I like this badminton's forum cos it is very active and the news here always up to date.

For the MS players, I pick:

Lin Dan > Taufik > Chong Wei

Welcome, you're looking well, son.

Just don't take everything as it is and you'll do fine.

Taufik has won 1 Olympic, 2 Asian Games and for his skill no doubt.

my pick
TH-LD-LCW

Rudy Hartono admire Yang Yang as the best player that he ever seen!

So, according to his opinion, it should be: Yang Yang > Rudy Hartono

I did not think Rudy said that...the media might add it....:cool::cool: just like you said about LD to TH that media might add it....

Taufik has won 1 Olympic, 2 Asian Games and for his skill no doubt.

my pick
TH-LD-LCW
Bingo!
Thats what I said....LD has not achieved it yet...it does not matter how many titles he has..Olympics title = 4 yrs of championship.....

.....the poll is kinda medicine good to cure the heart breaking bmt fans who feel upset with their heroes.....

Hi, I've just found this interesthing forum last night:). I've read some thread and posts, and I like this badminton's forum cos it is very active and the news here always up to date.

For the MS players, I pick:

Lin Dan > Taufik > Chong Wei

welcome to BC, well-son.
it is very active and up to the hour.........:D

Based on the achievements in the 4 Grand Slams in badminton (Olympic, World Championship, All England and Japan Open), it should be in the following order:

Lin Dan: 0, 2, 3, 2
Taufik Hidayat: 1, 1, 0, 0
Peter Gade: 0, 0, 1, 2
Lee Chong Wei: 0, 0, 0, 1

Since Taufik has won Asian Games twice and Asian Championship 3 times, he should be ahead of Lin Dan.
Peter Gade has won European Championship 4 times, so he well deserves the 3rd place ahead of Lee Chong Wei.

Based on the 4 Grand Slams in badminton (Olympic, World Championship, All England and Japan Open), it should be in the following order:
Lin Dan: 0, 2, 3, 2
Taufik Hidayat: 1, 1, 0, 0
Peter Gade: 0, 0, 1, 2
Lee Chong Wei: 0, 0, 0, 1

Japan Open is also rated as "GRAND SLAMs" ??:rolleyes:

Japan Open is also rated as "GRAND SLAMs" ??:rolleyes:
Yes according to many.:)

Rudy Hartono > Yang Yang > Alan Kopp
Alan Kopp ? Did you mean Erland Kops instead ?

.....the poll is kinda medicine good to cure the heart breaking bmt fans who feel upset with their heroes.....
... but once the effect wears off...

LD>TH>LCW

In my opinion, the very BEST is defined by one's consistency being at the very top of his game. So Lin Dan fits that criteria best, TH's best comes & goes & sometimes depends on his mood, LCW is striving to prove his worth but always falters when it matters.

Yes according to many.:)

how about the other 3 Grand Slams?
in tennis world, 4 GS = 4 different type of courts.

This is the correct and valid one:

TH > ZZH > YY > LSK > LD > MFH > Icuk > Heryanto Arbi > LCW > PG >

Japan Open is also rated as "GRAND SLAMs" ??:rolleyes:

I believe that the Super Series Finals should be a more worthy Grand Slam than the Japan Open.

how about the other 3 Grand Slams?
in tennis world, 4 GS = 4 different type of courts.
It would be interesting if badminton can be played in different surfaces such as clay, carpet, grass & hard court just as tennis.:rolleyes:

Alan Kopp ? Did you mean Erland Kops instead ?

Thanks --- he is such an oldie, I bearly remember his name. Erland Kops won 7 AE before it was broken by Rudy, correct me if I am wrong.

I believe that the Super Series Finals should be a more worthy Grand Slam than the Japan Open.
Super Series Finals is equivalent to Tennis Master Cup. Well, I guess there is no fixed definition of Grand Slams in badminton.

LD>TH>LCW

In my opinion, the very BEST is defined by one's consistency being at the very top of his game. So Lin Dan fits that criteria best, TH's best comes & goes & sometimes depends on his mood, LCW is striving to prove his worth but always falters when it matters.

This is the correct and valid one:

TH > ZZH > YY > LSK > LD > MFH > Icuk > Heryanto Arbi > LCW > PG >

i think we should stick back to original poll for 3 players. if not, every MS player will appear here. Misbun Sidek etc...... if want to poll for every MS player, whole list starting from 1950??

Yang Yang can beat anyone during his prime.

TH > LD > PG > lCW

why is japan open considered a Grand Slam?

it dosent have the best money (Korea has that) or the best prestige (AE)...

why is japan open considered a Grand Slam?

it dosent have the best money (Korea has that) or the best prestige (AE)...
Because LCW would be on 0 for all the major tourneys.

Total, utter, defeat.

Base on this year performances....SS and GPGold...i will put it this way...

C. LD > Chong Wei > TH

currently?
LCW>TH>LD

in their best prime?
LD>TH>LCW

4 Heavenly Kings

achievement ............ TH>LD>PG>LCW
fitness n consistency .. LD>PG>LCW=>TH

i think the world best in this heavely kings era.. TH=LD>LCW=PG

the end for me just no one but TH ..he is one of the greatest players of all time..he is the one who makes me love badminton even more n more :) peace..

汤仙虎!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If past players were included I will vote for the American Dave Freeman.

Undefeated Dave Freeman > any players in the history of badminton

my 2 cents

(A) Lin Dan > Taufik > Chong Wei

Because now is in new era of badminton using 21 points system...we cant includes those players who not played in new 21 points system...so i would still think it surely............ C. LD > LCW > TH

for me..
TH > LCW > LD
if throw out consistency, it will be ..
LCW>TH>LD

4 Heavenly Kings

achievement ............ TH>LD>PG>LCW
fitness n consistency .. LD>PG>LCW=>TH

i think the world best in this heavely kings era.. TH=LD>LCW=PG

the end for me just no one but TH ..he is one of the greatest players of all time..he is the one who makes me love badminton even more n more :) peace..

the greatest player can minimize the lost ratio to unknown players

Based on the achievements in the 4 Grand Slams in badminton (Olympic, World Championship, All England and Japan Open), it should be in the following order:

Lin Dan: 0, 2, 3, 2
Taufik Hidayat: 1, 1, 0, 0
Peter Gade: 0, 0, 1, 2
Lee Chong Wei: 0, 0, 0, 1

Since Taufik has won Asian Games twice and Asian Championship 3 times, he should be ahead of Lin Dan.
Peter Gade has won European Championship 4 times, so he well deserves the 3rd place ahead of Lee Chong Wei.

if u count it like that, Sony also deserves for 4th place (won ABC 3 times), ahead of LCW.
and if BWF also organize the other 3 continental championships, then...
John Moody & Eric Go can fight for the 1st place!!!

LD =>= LCW > TH

LCW is SO sick.

the new 4 heavenly king comparison in their PRIME.

consistency
PG = LD > TH > LCW

fitness
LD = PG > LCW > TH

skill
TH > LCW = PG > LD

OVERALL
PG > LD > TH > LCW

PG is over the top now. 62 weeks on world #1 is almost a mythology. my most respected player with the best attitude and sportsmanship. he is a living badminton text book on and off court. not many players can enjoy a long career in the circuit like PG. remember he is over 30 now. most pro players will retire after their late 20s.

LD is a badminton machine. His success is a classic product of chinese military style training. i think he may even be over-trained. his mental toughness is decent but his super ego sometimes backfires. a very tactical player who never gives up. never count him out unless the shuttle is on the floor. a showboat is always good to watch.

TH has the most talent. possess the best backhand and netshots in today's game. even with the least training and activity in the pro circuit he is still very deadly. if he is serious about every tournament, he would have achieved so much more. lack of focus and poor attitude limited his success.

LCW is under-confident IMO. he's got all the right skill and fitness to be the world's very best. his inconsistency is caused by self-doubts. he is almost unstoppable when he is confident. though my least favourite of the 4, his style is still a delight to watch. The fastest player in the world today IMO.

career achievement is not only count by Grand Prix Championship IMO. TH usually only focus on prestigous tournament. i believe consistency and career wins determines who is BEST.

welcome to BC, well-son.
it is very active and up to the hour.........:D
Yes it is.
It would be very nice to know all of you that have so many knowledge abt what's going on tournament by tournaments n the players as well.

Looks like this forum is full of badminton's mania :)

Yes, TH won the olimpic gold medal and the WC once also,
btw, LD even has not got the olimpic gold, he has won the WC twice,
and he's won so many titles than the other two (TH and LCW).

Besides, based on "Head to Head" so far, which is obviously important to know who is better:

LD better than TF and LCW (and PG also)
TF better than LCW (abt the same with PG),

so based on that (H2H):
I still pick:

LD > TF > LCW

Achievement (including open titles): LD > TH > LCW.

Peak performance so far: TH > LD > LCW.
Most recent performance (in Jap open): LCW >= TH>LD.

This is a spin-off from the "Taufik "best player in the world", says Lin (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47691)" thread.

Please pick, based on your own criteria (career achievement, talent, skills, consistency, ... whatever), the rankings of the 3 best MS players in the world at present,

(A) Lin Dan > Taufik > Chong Wei

(B) Taufik > Lin Dan > Chong Wei

(C) Lin Dan > Chong Wei > Taufik

(D) Taufik > Chong Wei > Lin Dan

(E) Chong Wei > Lin Dan > Taufik

(F) Chong Wei > Taufik > Lin Dan

This is a spin-off from the "Taufik "best player in the world", says Lin (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47691)" thread.
..hmm, is it me or is the poll actually missing??..The thread says "POLL:..", but i can't see any poll at the top..?!?!..:confused::rolleyes::p
*Btw, not sure if kwun wants to put this one in the General Forum sub-forum??..:confused:

Kwun is possibly unimpressed.

Kwun is possibly unimpressed.
:p...possibly or obviously??..:confused:;)

I was trying to add an element of heart in there for his PR.

It will at least make the plebs happy.

me thinks that when we put LD,TH,LCW,PG in the same pool, might we consider their achievement on an equal basis ie:

Indon Open, China Open, Malaysia Open, World Championship cannot be considered because of home ground advantage: and

Winnings are based on SS events which all four has taken part together so far.

Based on this criteria, only Japan Open can be considered.

So the result is:

LCW(Champion)/TH(Runners-up)/LD(SF)/PG (QF)......:D:D:D:D

me thinks that when we put LD,TH,LCW,PG in the same pool, might we consider their achievement on an equal basis ie:

Indon Open, China Open, Malaysia Open, World Championship cannot be considered because of home ground advantage: and

Winnings are based on SS events which all four has taken part together so far.

Based on this criteria, only Japan Open can be considered...

So the result is:

LCW(Champion)/TH(Runners-up)/LD(SF)/PG (QF)......:D:D:D:D

wrong comparasion

me thinks that when we put LD,TH,LCW,PG in the same pool, might we consider their achievement on an equal basis ie:

Indon Open, China Open, Malaysia Open, World Championship cannot be considered because of home ground advantage: and

Winnings are based on SS events which all four has taken part together so far.

Based on this criteria, only Japan Open can be considered.

So the result is:

LCW(Champion)/TH(Runners-up)/LD(SF)/PG (QF)......:D:D:D:D

First of all, even based on your criteria, you have missed out Singapore SS which all 4 have taken part and there isn't home ground advantage.

PGC (SF) / LD (QF) / TH (R2) / LCW (R1)

Next, I want to relax the homeground advantage rule ... as long as ...

(1) NONE of the 4 players was lost to any player from the home country

(2) The one with home ground advantage didn't win the title, but perhaps even inferior some or all of the other 3

These events should be counted.

In this case, only China Masters is excluded because LD took the title. INA SS is also excluded because LD didn't take part.

Mas SS
PGC (1st) / LCW (QF) / LD (R2) / TH (R1)

WC
LD (1st) / PGC (QF) / LCW (R3) / TH (R2)

So, if we award points based on these 4 players' relative rankings in individual events, i.e., 1st place = 4, 2nd = 3, 3rd = 2, 4th = 1

Their rankings should be

PGC > LD > LCW > TH

Amazing, isn't it? PGC was the best achiever among the 4 at Singapore & Mas SS, which has helped him a lot.

PGC > LD > LCW > TH

Amazing, isn't it? PGC was the best achiever among the 4 at Singapore & Mas SS, which has helped him a lot.


I agree...

Looking at the draws in all the SS events, where the best players meet each other in the early rounds, it is an amazing result from PG to keep his momentum going.

i told ya. PG is overlooked.
he is still lethal.

4 Heavenly Kings

achievement ............ TH>LD>PG>LCW
fitness n consistency .. LD>PG>LCW=>TH

i think the world best in this heavely kings era.. TH=LD>LCW=PG

the end for me just no one but TH ..he is one of the greatest players of all time..he is the one who makes me love badminton even more n more :) peace..

You're more reasonable and just right..!!

Bingo!
Thats what I said....LD has not achieved it yet...it does not matter how many titles he has..Olympics title = 4 yrs of championship.....

yeah! i agree..
TH<LD<LCW

taufik rules!

yeah! i agree..
TH<LD<LCW

taufik rules!
I fink ur formula is totally opposite with ur statements :cool: ;)

I fink ur formula is totally opposite with ur statements :cool: ;)
aiyaaa..wrong statement yah..

This is a spin-off from the "Taufik "best player in the world", says Lin (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47691)" thread.

Please pick, based on your own criteria (career achievement, talent, skills, consistency, ... whatever), the rankings of the 3 best MS players in the world at present,

(A) Lin Dan > Taufik > Chong Wei

(B) Taufik > Lin Dan > Chong Wei

(C) Lin Dan > Chong Wei > Taufik

(D) Taufik > Chong Wei > Lin Dan

(E) Chong Wei > Lin Dan > Taufik

(F) Chong Wei > Taufik > Lin Dan

The best ever MS is :

Rudy Hartono by a mile.

mine

(C) Lin Dan > Chong Wei > Taufik > PG

i told ya. PG is overlooked.
he is still lethal.

Yup, and don't forget, others win titles when in form, Gade won his while suffering from migraine and just after being discharged from hospital ....... :D

The best ever MS is :

Rudy Hartono by a mile.

ya.. who can beat him by winning 8 AE titles consecutively :D :D :D

ya.. who can beat him by winning 8 AE titles consecutively :D :D :D
I grew up watching Rudy, superstar during his time...but we are talking different eras when CHN was absent...Today's players are better trained, fit and fast, better nutrition, super rackets, shoes, massages, physio, trained full-time, better coaching, really not fair and cannot compare now and then...and with 21-point system in SS when KO is quite common, can Rudy survive let alone win 7 staright anything? So let's say Rudy was great during his time, and deserving so for winning 7 straight AE followed by one year when he lost to Sven Pri and recaptured his 8th AE the following year.;)

Dave Freeman is still the greatest because no one had beaten him. :)

Dave Freeman is still the greatest because no one had beaten him. :)
maybe freeman is the greatest but he's no longer in action
those still in stage could only be considered, like taufik, lcw, lindan or even pg....;)

Dave Freeman is still the greatest because no one had beaten him. :)
If you based on retired undefeated, then you make your point. Dave Freeman was playing in an era when there are a handful of top players around, so if Dave is exceptional and head-and-shoulder above the rest, then there is no competition. Again, let's say Dave was the best during his time..the greatest is debatable.
And if based on most Open titles won, LD would win hands down, but then today there are so many tournaments to play for, you cannot even name them all in one breathe. During Rudy's time, AE is crown jewel of badminton, in fact the inaugural and unofficial world badminton title at that time, winning AE is the most important title at that time and Rudy won 8 times.
Today, it is crowded at the top with LCW-TH-LD capable of beating each other, in fact whenever these 3 fellas play each other, the game usually goes 3-set (except for JO07 when LCW blew 2 straights through LD) and whoever win has to sweat hard for the win, that is parity among the 3. Even though LCW beat TH in JO07, TH could have won, it was that close a game. It is harder and near impossible for one single player to dominate the way Rudy or Dave did back then.;)

I grew up watching Rudy, superstar during his time...but we are talking different eras when CHN was absent...Today's players are better trained, fit and fast, better nutrition, super rackets, shoes, massages, physio, trained full-time, better coaching, really not fair and cannot compare now and then...and with 21-point system in SS when KO is quite common, can Rudy survive let alone win 7 staright anything? So let's say Rudy was great during his time, and deserving so for winning 7 straight AE followed by one year when he lost to Sven Pri and recaptured his 8th AE the following year.;)

Let me play the devil's advocate here.

Based on what you have said, can we say that in football for example, Micheal Owen is better than Pele, despite the man winning the WC with Brazil 3 times?? or Frank Lampard is better than Diego Maradona?

Dave Freeman, Rudy Hartono etc....were in generations where it was less competitive...so its easier for them to dominate.

LinDan, TH, LCW etc...are in a much more competitive generation

Dave Freeman, Rudy Hartono etc....were in generations where it was less competitive...so its easier for them to dominate.

LinDan, TH, LCW etc...are in a much more competitive generation

agree .. you got da point there :p

Let me play the devil's advocate here.

Based on what you have said, can we say that in football for example, Micheal Owen is better than Pele, despite the man winning the WC with Brazil 3 times?? or Frank Lampard is better than Diego Maradona?
Check out Speed & Power's comments below...summarize my points...Rudy and Dave are better than his rivals then...today, there is so much parity in this game, that to win consecutive titles is very difficult...if I am not mistaken, as good a player LCW is, he has never won back-to-back, maybe TO07 may be a break through, then there is no CHN, I mean the real CHN team...LD has won 3 straights and that is, I guess. To accomplish what Rudy did (7 straight AE) or Dave undefeated streak, that is impossible...so if you based on achievements lifetime, then Rudy and Dave would be the greatest as you said.

If you based on retired undefeated, then you make your point. Dave Freeman was playing in an era when there are a handful of top players around, so if Dave is exceptional and head-and-shoulder above the rest, then there is no competition. Again, let's say Dave was the best during his time..the greatest is debatable.
And if based on most Open titles won, LD would win hands down, but then today there are so many tournaments to play for, you cannot even name them all in one breathe. During Rudy's time, AE is crown jewel of badminton, in fact the inaugural and unofficial world badminton title at that time, winning AE is the most important title at that time and Rudy won 8 times.
Today, it is crowded at the top with LCW-TH-LD capable of beating each other, in fact whenever these 3 fellas play each other, the game usually goes 3-set (except for JO07 when LCW blew 2 straights through LD) and whoever win has to sweat hard for the win, that is parity among the 3. Even though LCW beat TH in JO07, TH could have won, it was that close a game. It is harder and near impossible for one single player to dominate the way Rudy or Dave did back then.;)

I think you made an interesting point there OTB.

The player who is the greatest was great during his/her era...LD won 3 AE, ZJH won only 2 AE, therefore to win 8 or 9 AE to exceed what Rudy did is impossible in today competitive arena..., LD fans would argue LD is the greatest of all time simply because LD has won the most titles ever and 2 consecutive WC, or TH fans would claim he is the greatest for winning WC, AG, OG...to get into a debate on who is the greatest of all time, we need a measuring stick on what do you based on to make claim to be the greatest....we can argue till the moo-moo cow comes home and still we cannot settle this argument...unless you want to be Mohammed Ali who claim to be the greatest himself ALL-TIME!!! Hahaha!!!:p:D;)

Food for thought...something to think about...Rudy's accomplishment is huge, of course.... but if you insert a LCW, TH or LD or even a ZJH into Rudy era, I bet Rudy would not win 8 AE, cos nobody played badminton the way these 4 fellas played...now you can argue, that is not fair because the 4 players have better lightweight 30+lb strung rackets (Rudy's racket is 10 lb wooden racket, that if I use one of his racket today, you can forget about my backhand and I need a massage therapist to ease the ache in my arm and everywhere else;):p:D hahaha!!!), better training, train fulltime, better everything...you see my point, how can we compare players of different eras...but if you use milestone achievements to establish who is the greatest, say most AE wins, then there is no arguments Rudy is up there...but I would argue hey! there is no CHN and no KOR during Rudy era(also see Speed and Power comment above) and Rudy keep beating the same group of players like Sven Pri, Punch, Tang Aik Huang, Tjun Tjun enroute to winning AEs during those periods...Rudy did not meet The Thing and Hou Chia Chiang during his prime!!!I like Rudy, grew up admiring him in MAS, so let's say Rudy is the greatest during his era...as for Dave, I have no idea who or how he played, maybe I wasn't even born yet...hahaha!!!:p:D;)

I watched the oldies video and seen Wong Peng Soon and Eddy Chong played...and these 2 players are called legends of badminton...therefore if someone claim both these players are greatest simply because they won titles, well I would ask who are their competitions at that time as LD, TH, ZJH, LCW would 'kill' them but then again different eras....to be honest, I think my buddy Cooler can beat them too or at least give them a run for their money...now I know Cooler is watching this thread tonight somewhere in Calgary, when Cooler read this post of mine, he gonna be so happy he is so tickling happy that he could not sleep and so inspired that he probably run outside to practise right away....hahaha!!! hehehe!!!:D:p:D:p:D:p;);) Good night folks.....time for bedtime...

Let me play the devil's advocate here.

Based on what you have said, can we say that in football for example, Micheal Owen is better than Pele, despite the man winning the WC with Brazil 3 times?? or Frank Lampard is better than Diego Maradona?
Comparing badminton, an individual event(MS) to a football star in a 11 men team events is pretty much null here.

And let's just do so, I'd say today's football games tactics, defending style, defender standard, competitiveness of other countries and all kind of other factor would probably make Pele not the same Pele again. Put Pele in his prime time into today football era against all the terrific defender and goal keeper, He would be still good but not that almighty Pele anymore.
And if you are serious about making a comparison instead of rhetoric, you would have pick Ronaldinho, Thiery Henry or Zidane instead of what? Frank Lampard and Michael Owen. I thought we are taking LD or TH here, or Boonsak Ponsana?

How come Morten Frost wasn't that often mentioned. In fact, he won 4 AE titles and is era was competitive too. Also, China was already there like Yang Yang & Han Jiang. :|

How come Morten Frost wasn't that often mentioned. In fact, he won 4 AE titles and is era was competitive too. Also, China was already there like Yang Yang & Han Jiang. :|
and also Zhao CH....

LD TH LCW are the best now

after seeing a brief history of who and what dave freeman is. i really admire him. unfortunately there is no video footage available. to me, ZJH is still the most graceful champion. he inspired me in 1990AE, that backhand defense from his right ear sealed an imprint in my brain; n i m still using that shot today. i'd say ZJH's 1990AE's performance is god like, but after looking at freeman's accomplishment, i think that IS a god like performance too.

guys, no more comparison from different eras in this particular threads pls.

Comparing badminton, an individual event(MS) to a football star in a 11 men team events is pretty much null here.

And let's just do so, I'd say today's football games tactics, defending style, defender standard, competitiveness of other countries and all kind of other factor would probably make Pele not the same Pele again. Put Pele in his prime time into today football era against all the terrific defender and goal keeper, He would be still good but not that almighty Pele anymore.
And if you are serious about making a comparison instead of rhetoric, you would have pick Ronaldinho, Thiery Henry or Zidane instead of what? Frank Lampard and Michael Owen. I thought we are taking LD or TH here, or Boonsak Ponsana?

One question here, have you actually watched Pele before??

Ok maybe footballers are not the choiced sample. Lets look at individual sports then. Lets look at athletics, Asafa Powell is now the current world record holder for the 100 meters sprint. Is he better than Carl Lewis because competition is tougher now, better equipment, vitamins, training, technology etc etc etc?

I thought Misty1000 has stated clearly here this thread is meant for the POLL on recent best MS players? :confused:
Why should us keep on debating on past versus current legends here:cool:

The player who is the greatest was great during his/her era...LD won 3 AE, ZJH won only 2 AE, therefore to win 8 or 9 AE to exceed what Rudy did is impossible in today competitive arena..., LD fans would argue LD is the greatest of all time simply because LD has won the most titles ever and 2 consecutive WC, or TH fans would claim he is the greatest for winning WC, AG, OG...to get into a debate on who is the greatest of all time, we need a measuring stick on what do you based on to make claim to be the greatest....we can argue till the moo-moo cow comes home and still we cannot settle this argument...unless you want to be Mohammed Ali who claim to be the greatest himself ALL-TIME!!! Hahaha!!!:p:D;)

I recall the one that comes close, on paper, in matching Hartono record is Taufik! Back in his young age when Taufik won the Brunei Open, everyone was so hype with his talent(after all, he beat the legendary Dong Jiong)and thought he had chance to break Hartono record in AE and as of today, Taufik won 0 AE, what a irony! Yes, Hartono is the best!

I thought Misty1000 has stated clearly here this thread is meant for the POLL on recent best MS players? :confused:
Why should us keep on debating on past versus current legends here:cool:

yeap..... mistake on the title. should be all time best MS player......:D

yeap..... mistake on the title. should be all time best MS player......:D
wowo...it is about time you show up here..Drift...where have you been lately?:D:D

I recall the one that comes close, on paper, in matching Hartono record is Taufik! Back in his young age when Taufik won the Brunei Open, everyone was so hype with his talent(after all, he beat the legendary Dong Jiong)and thought he had chance to break Hartono record in AE and as of today, Taufik won 0 AE, what a irony! Yes, Hartono is the best!

Han, that means you are using milestone achievements (i.e. 8 AE) as measuring stick to say Rudy is the best...Do you mean Rudy is the best all-time or during his era? If it is during his era, I agree with you.
Rudy path to AE semi-final back then wa almosts guaranteed with the type of competition he faced, the same old Pri, Aik Huang, Punch, etc...today, it is very competitive especially with the 21-point fast and unforgiving system...just noted that Simon beat LCW in TO07, heck it seems anyone can beat anyone nowadays. I thought LCW could for the first time could win back to back SS, he lost, that tells us how difficult it is to win nowadays. I like to know how many players has won 3 straight AE since Rudy's time, never mind 7 straights....;)

Food for thought...something to think about...Rudy's accomplishment is huge, of course.... but if you insert a LCW, TH or LD or even a ZJH into Rudy era, I bet Rudy would not win 8 AE, cos nobody played badminton the way these 4 fellas played...now you can argue, that is not fair because the 4 players have better lightweight 30+lb strung rackets (Rudy's racket is 10 lb wooden racket, that if I use one of his racket today, you can forget about my backhand and I need a massage therapist to ease the ache in my arm and everywhere else;):p:D hahaha!!!), better training, train fulltime, better everything...you see my point, how can we compare players of different eras...but if you use milestone achievements to establish who is the greatest, say most AE wins, then there is no arguments Rudy is up there...but I would argue hey! there is no CHN and no KOR during Rudy era(also see Speed and Power comment above) and Rudy keep beating the same group of players like Sven Pri, Punch, Tang Aik Huang, Tjun Tjun enroute to winning AEs during those periods...Rudy did not meet The Thing and Hou Chia Chiang during his prime!!!I like Rudy, grew up admiring him in MAS, so let's say Rudy is the greatest during his era...as for Dave, I have no idea who or how he played, maybe I wasn't even born yet...hahaha!!!:p:D;)
:p..for a second there, after seeing so many "Rudys" in your post, i thought you were putting our huangkwokhau on the spot...:confused::rolleyes:;)

:p..for a second there, after seeing so many "Rudys" in your post, i thought you were putting our huangkwokhau on the spot...:confused::rolleyes:;)

funny thing,,,, both rudys have javanese name :p

taufik is the best player ever for me...;):p

:p..for a second there, after seeing so many "Rudys" in your post, i thought you were putting our huangkwokhau on the spot...:confused::rolleyes:;)
:D:D:D I just saw it.....yes..I am the legend!!!

:D:D:D I just saw it.....yes..I am the legend!!!

Yes indeed, 4000+ posts in 5 months......a legend in ur way;):D:D:D

Yes indeed, 4000+ posts in 5 months......a legend in ur way;):D:D:D
:D:D:D another 800 will be 5000....

wowo...it is about time you show up here..Drift...where have you been lately?:D:D

hi legendary hauge.....:D
i am always here, i did the 1st reply.....:)
just reading and laughing, read and laugh, read and laugh then stomache...:p
this thread is in the 2007 tournaments....... then people start writing on 1997..... then 1987 era..... some did on 1977. then go further to 1967, i am even born yet....:D i am here waiting who is going to write some histories on MS starting 1917........:)

:D:D:D another 800 will be 5000....

i am so young and naive compare to legendary hauge.......:o

i am so young and naive compare to legendary hauge.......:o
haha..too bad that we did not meet up in KL....:(:(

hi legendary hauge.....:D
i am always here, i did the 1st reply.....:)
just reading and laughing, read and laugh, read and laugh then stomache...:p
this thread is in the 2007 tournaments....... then people start writing on 1997..... then 1987 era..... some did on 1977. then go further to 1967, i am even born yet....:D i am here waiting who is going to write some histories on MS starting 1917........:)

Yeah . some Peoples just like living in the past memories :D:D

TH>LD>LCW :) taufik rules

LD > TH > LCW... Yay!!!

I was browsing through the web and came across an article on CHN table tennis players and how they train...wonder if this training method apply to their baddy team too...check it out, quite interesting.

http://www.usatt.org/magazine/05july-aug/secrets_chinese_tt.shtml

I was browsing through the web and came across an article on CHN table tennis players and how they train...wonder if this training method apply to their baddy team too...check it out, quite interesting.

http://www.usatt.org/magazine/05july-aug/secrets_chinese_tt.shtml
some of them are applicable for baddy...I am sure that LYB team uses it...it makes sense.....

Actually i support TH, but in deep i choose LD>TH>Lcw>Pg.

(B) Taufik > Lin Dan > Chong Wei

(B) Taufik > Lin Dan > Chong Wei


Look into the mirror for a bit of reflection:

It reads : Wei Chong < Dan Lin < Taufik !;)

Look into the mirror for a bit of reflection:

It reads : Wei Chong < Dan Lin < Taufik !;)
you should read into the mirror..TH>LD>LCW

Look into the mirror for a bit of reflection:

It reads : Wei Chong < Dan Lin < Taufik !;)

eh you'r rite.. TH is the best

it seems Xball got "F" in Math or maybe he never attended to any school, sign "<" means smaller than

wei chon < dan Lin < taufiks = chong wei smaller than Lindan, lin dan smaller than taufik.. taufik is the biggest and the best

eh you'r rite.. TH is the best

it seems Xball got "F" in Math or maybe he never attended to any school, sign "<" means smaller than

wei chon < dan Lin < taufiks = chong wei smaller than Lindan, lin dan smaller than taufik.. taufik is the biggest and the best

I thought we could be humourous and take things on the chin when we dish things out to each other. Seeing in the other thread, how HuangKokHua and you are intimidated by things that I say, let me say something that might perhaps make you two comfortable.


RUDY HARTONO IS NO.1

I thought we could be humourous and take things on the chin when we dish things out to each other. Seeing in the other thread, how HuangKokHua and you are intimidated by things that I say, let me say something that might perhaps make you two comfortable.


RUDY HARTONO IS NO.1

not yet.... apologize man...

my top 3
1.Taufik
2.Lin dan
3. Sonny

Look into the mirror for a bit of reflection:

It reads : Wei Chong < Dan Lin < Taufik !;)
you should read into the mirror..TH>LD>LCW
I thought we could be humourous and take things on the chin when we dish things out to each other. Seeing in the other thread, how HuangKokHua and you are intimidated by things that I say, let me say something that might perhaps make you two comfortable.


RUDY HARTONO IS NO.1
not yet.... apologize man...
(just want to comment here since the other thread is locked):p..
..take it easy, because many are reading the posts..I just finished reading that other (locked) thread, pheeeww, and i'm still scratching my head, wondering "What happened??":confused::p...Either i'm being fooled or maybe you guys are trying to "heat up" this forum, by posting such non-sensical postings..:p:rolleyes:;)

Anyways, Hau-ge and taufik-ist, please take it easy:cool:. Chill and relax a bit and take X Ball's comments/posts with a pinch of salt (i don't think he meant those in an offensive way)..Maybe there's a bit of misunderstanding also, so no need to take it too much to heart lah. Learn from our Loh, who also endured the same "headache" with X Ball, a while ago:p;). And we certainly don't want this thread to be locked also.*sigh*

Learn from our Loh, who also endured the same "headache" with X Ball, a while ago:p;).

Ah, but Loh got his "revenge" when X_Ball "had to" buy him lunch during World Championships, the rest of us didn't get that chance ....... :D

My pick for top MS (then) - Morten Frost. A great model of consistency in the era when China made its presence felt.
Most gifted - Zhao Jianhua (most gifted of all time)

Top MS (now) - LD, who else. Though he now looks a bit vulnerable.
Most gifted - Taufik Hidayat.

for Japan open 2007, I would say LCW > TH > LD .. :) ..

but for Overall, TH = LD > LCW ..

LCW only lack in big title such as olympic and world championship .. If he could get them, I would say LCW is the best among them .. :P .. Maybe because im malaysian and I do support LCW .. :P ..

my top 3
1.Taufik
2.Lin dan
3. Sonny


may i consider sony as another level player accompanied with gate, bao, cj......unless sony has crossed the threshold by beating most of top ranked players, like lindan, bao, cj n gate.....he did defeat taufik in cto recently but obviously taufik has problem with his leg in 2nd n deciding games.....

may i consider sony as another level player accompanied with gate, bao, cj......unless sony has crossed the threshold by beating most of top ranked players, like lindan, bao, cj n gate.....he did defeat taufik in cto recently but obviously taufik has problem with his leg in 2nd n deciding games.....
But Sony just a steps away from being among the elite groups. :cool:
He did beat LCW & Taufik in two months time.. Maybe the LD will be the next victims :rolleyes:
Sometimes i wonder why most of the INA fans support Simon rather than Sony :cool:

But Sony just a steps away from being among the elite groups. :cool:
He did beat LCW & Taufik in two months time.. Maybe the LD will be the next victims :rolleyes:
Sometimes i wonder why most of the INA fans support Simon rather than Sony :cool:
simon's defensive play is amazing, he's real cool.....seldom smile.....he must have learnt a lot from hendrawan

misbun sidek and rashid sidek ...
I'll remember them as the greatest badminton players until my last breath.

Yang Yang...:)He is also one of the best MS player...

misbun sidek and rashid sidek ...
I'll remember them as the greatest badminton players until my last breath.
Those are pretty serious words "Until my last breath"...hahaha!!:p

Yang Yang...:)He is also one of the best MS player...

Yes, he was excellent, but early in his career, Yang Yang just could not get the measure of Morten Frost. Took him 3 years to find a way to melt the Frost ..... :D After that, he never again lost to the great Dane.

But Sony just a steps away from being among the elite groups. :cool:
He did beat LCW & Taufik in two months time.. Maybe the LD will be the next victims :rolleyes:


I almost forgot that Sony was an Olympic bronze medallist. Just goes to show that between the Athens Olympic bronze and WC2007 silver medal, he hasn't actually achieved much prominence. Mostly due to injury, kinda like the Michael Owen of badminton.

Could it be caused by his playing style, lack of muscle strength, or training regime too tough?

The scope of this poll: only presently active players!

Okay, we can bring Gade in. So please rank the four heavenly kings AT PRESENT (PG has been declining lately but he is still one of the players to beat).

Mine:

LD > TH > PG:crying::eek::confused::rolleyes: > LCW


PG oh please people:p What about Kendrick Lee of Singapore?

Those are pretty serious words "Until my last breath"...hahaha!!:p
dont understand.
What so funny for those words????

for me the best is :YANG YANG...all time greatest

my all time best: Sidek brothers!!!

its because im malaysian...

but with all seriousness, the best player i think was frost at his best...

my all time best: Sidek brothers!!!

its because im malaysian...

but with all seriousness, the best player i think was frost at his best...
Thats the spirit brother.Keep it up.Im proud of u.really proud

taufik hidayat has impressed me with high quality skill

I grew up watching Rudy, superstar during his time...but we are talking different eras when CHN was absent...Today's players are better trained, fit and fast, better nutrition, super rackets, shoes, massages, physio, trained full-time, better coaching, really not fair and cannot compare now and then...and with 21-point system in SS when KO is quite common, can Rudy survive let alone win 7 staright anything? So let's say Rudy was great during his time, and deserving so for winning 7 straight AE followed by one year when he lost to Sven Pri and recaptured his 8th AE the following year.;)

only several dangerous players at that time, therefore he can win it 8 times. now, I can guarantee that he can't do it.

Based on the achievements in the 4 Grand Slams in badminton (Olympic, World Championship, All England and Japan Open), it should be in the following order:

Lin Dan: 0, 2, 3, 2
Taufik Hidayat: 1, 1, 0, 0
Peter Gade: 0, 0, 1, 2
Lee Chong Wei: 0, 0, 0, 1

Since Taufik has won Asian Games twice and Asian Championship 3 times, he should be ahead of Lin Dan.
Peter Gade has won European Championship 4 times, so he well deserves the 3rd place ahead of Lee Chong Wei.

if u count it like that, so Sony should be ahead of LCW, and if BWF also organize American, Australian, and African Badm Ch'ship, then ...
Eric Go and John Moody will fight for 1st place!

only several dangerous players at that time, therefore he can win it 8 times. now, I can guarantee that he can't do it.

he's very old now... he can't even beat you :D :D :p

eh you'r rite.. TH is the best

it seems Xball got "F" in Math or maybe he never attended to any school, sign "<" means smaller than

wei chon < dan Lin < taufiks = chong wei smaller than Lindan, lin dan smaller than taufik.. taufik is the biggest and the best

the biggest losser?

the biggest losser?

don't provoke, man

i know you're new member and still in probation... you may be banned :D

only several dangerous players at that time, therefore he can win it 8 times. now, I can guarantee that he can't do it.

he's very old now... he can't even beat you :D :D :p

I mean that if RH played badminton in the era like now (full of competition), he can't do it.

Michael 8 is reincarnation of Dong Jiong ....remember???

Taufik has won 1 Olympic, 2 Asian Games and for his skill no doubt.

my pick
TH-LD-LCW

Lin Dan has won 2 World Championships, 2 World Cup and 3 AE titles.

I mean that if RH played badminton in the era like now (full of competition), he can't do it.

Michael 8 is reincarnation of Dong Jiong ....remember???

i knew it.. :D i just teased you....

i think he's malaysian living in china.. jugdging from his profile

wow.. he will be banned again soon :D

Lin Dan has won 2 World Championships, 2 World Cup and 3 AE titles.
Pls..do not start it again..Michael....you posted it before under Dong Jiong's name..again TH got Olympics= 4 yrs....come on...you have argued it many times....
Everybody wants to have Olympic including your Chinese team....from Liu Xiang, Tian Jin even Sun Tian Tian/Li Ting....those titles are worth than any world cup, etc.... then you underestimate Olympic...China has spent big money and train their athletes to win more medals for China including Lin Dan...

why is japan open considered a Grand Slam?

it dosent have the best money (Korea has that) or the best prestige (AE)...

it should be...
OG + WC + FINALS SS + AE + KOREA SS

Pls..do not start it again..Michael....you posted it before under Dong Jiong's name..again TH got Olympics= 4 yrs....come on...you have argued it many times....
Everybody wants to have Olympic including your Chinese team....from Liu Xiang, Tian Jin even Sun Tian Tian/Li Ting....those titles are worth than any world cup, etc.... then you underestimate Olympic...China has spent big money and train their athletes to win more medals for China including Lin Dan...

it should be...
OG + WC + FINALS SS + AE + KOREA SS

si michael plin plan :D :p poor him

LCW is the best single player in the year 2007!!!
He is unbeaten in Sudirman Cup!
He regain his form from WC fast enough, almost within 3 weeks and give a touching performance in Japan Open.
He beat Taufik twice in their latest meetings.
He beat Lin Dan twice in straight game in SC and JO which Lin Dan only manage to beat LCW in rubber game.

Pls..do not start it again..Michael....you posted it before under Dong Jiong's name..again TH got Olympics= 4 yrs....come on...you have argued it many times....
Everybody wants to have Olympic including your Chinese team....from Liu Xiang, Tian Jin even Sun Tian Tian/Li Ting....those titles are worth than any world cup, etc.... then you underestimate Olympic...China has spent big money and train their athletes to win more medals for China including Lin Dan...

it should be...
OG + WC + FINALS SS + AE + KOREA SS

we can determine which MS player is the greatest by accumulate the total points in those 5 prestigious events.

OG = 5 points
WC = 4 points
KOR = 1 points

then...

LIN DAN : 2 WC + 3 AE + 2 KOR = 16 points
TH : 1 OG + 1 WC = 9 points
PG : 1 FINAL SS (1999) + 1 AE = 5 points

we can determine which MS player is the greatest by accumulate the total points in those 5 prestigious events.

OG = 5 points
WC = 4 points
KOR = 1 points

then...

LIN DAN : 2 WC + 3 AE + 2 KOR = 16 points
TH : 1 OG + 1 WC = 9 points
PG : 1 FINAL SS (1999) + 1 AE = 5 points

No..
Olympic: 10 points
WC: 2 points , because it is yearly
SS and Asian games, asian champion,AE: 1 point

So:TH: 10 + 2 + 3= 15 points
LD: 4 + 5: 9 points

LD has not won: Olympic, Asian Games and asian championship
TH: has not won AE

So who has achieved more? TH or LD???of course TH

LCW is the best single player in the year 2007!!!
He is unbeaten in Sudirman Cup!
He regain his form from WC fast enough, almost within 3 weeks and give a touching performance in Japan Open.
He beat Taufik twice in their latest meetings.
He beat Lin Dan twice in straight game in SC and JO which Lin Dan only manage to beat LCW in rubber game.

you didn't include lcw lost to sony and simon :D

we can determine which MS player is the greatest by accumulate the total points in those 5 prestigious events.

OG = 5 points
WC = 4 points
KOR = 1 points

then...

LIN DAN : 2 WC + 3 AE + 2 KOR = 16 points
TH : 1 OG + 1 WC = 9 points
PG : 1 FINAL SS (1999) + 1 AE = 5 points

My Man..dont take it too seriously,..just let it go...LD/TH/LCW are same level...LD still has time to get Olympic/asian games or asian chmapoinship...

you didn't include lcw lost to sony and simon :D

Are they better than Lin Dan and Taufik Hidayat..!?

you didn't include lcw lost to sony and simon :D

Are they better than LD and TH..!!?

No..
Olympic: 10 points
WC: 2 points , because it is yearly
SS and Asian games, asian champion,AE: 1 point

So:TH: 10 + 2 + 3= 15 points
LD: 4 + 5: 9 points

LD has not won: Olympic, Asian Games and asian championship
TH: has not won AE

So who has achieved more? TH or LD???of course TH

10 points for OG and just 2 points for WC? what is the valid reason?
the winner of OG and WC gets the same point rewards from BWF, so both tourneys are in the same level. consider to the prestiges, then we can upgrade the level of OG is higher than Wc, therefore 1 point higher for OG is reasonable. the gap of 8 pts is totally unacceptable.

as I said it before, AG is an unofficial tourney, the same with World Cup.
about ABC, it's just an "semi - official" tourney, coz we have 5 continents, but BWF only organize 2 Continental Ch'ships. why only 2? the other federations from the rest continents isn't a member of BWF?

why u always consider ABC is a prestigious tourney?
no european players in ABC, that's why CHN (and also KOR) players consider it as a less prestigious tourney. ABC is only suitable for Asia's 2nd class players only. less prize money & less competitive.

LCW is the best single player in the year 2007!!!
He is unbeaten in Sudirman Cup!
He regain his form from WC fast enough, almost within 3 weeks and give a touching performance in Japan Open.
He beat Taufik twice in their latest meetings.
He beat Lin Dan twice in straight game in SC and JO which Lin Dan only manage to beat LCW in rubber game.


LCW's achievement in 2007 :
1 R 16
2 R 32
5 QF
1 SF
3 WINNER


LD's achievement in 2007 :
1 R 16
1 QF
2 SF
5 WINNER


3 wins from 11 tourneys vs 5 wins from 9 tourneys. which one is better?

10 points for OG and just 2 points for WC? what is the valid reason?
the winner of OG and WC gets the same point rewards from BWF, so both tourneys are in the same level. consider to the prestiges, then we can upgrade the level of OG is higher than Wc, therefore 1 point higher for OG is reasonable. the gap of 8 pts is totally unacceptable.

as I said it before, AG is an unofficial tourney, the same with World Cup.
about ABC, it's just an "semi - official" tourney, coz we have 5 continents, but BWF only organize 2 Continental Ch'ships. why only 2? the other federations from the rest continents isn't a member of BWF?

why u always consider ABC is a prestigious tourney?
no european players in ABC, that's why CHN (and also KOR) players consider it as a less prestigious tourney. ABC is only suitable for Asia's 2nd class players only. less prize money & less competitive.

why haven't lindan been listed in WBF's hall of fame ? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

No..
Olympic: 10 points
WC: 2 points , because it is yearly
SS and Asian games, asian champion,AE: 1 point

So:TH: 10 + 2 + 3= 15 points
LD: 4 + 5: 9 points

LD has not won: Olympic, Asian Games and asian championship
TH: has not won AE

So who has achieved more? TH or LD???of course TH

from TH's collection, LD has not won:
Brunei, ABC, AG, OG, Ina, Mal, S'pore.

from LD's collection, TH has not won:
CHN open, CHN master, Kor, Jpn, World Cup, Macau, HK, Denmark, AE, Swiss, and Germany. plus, TH never won the WC for 2nd time.

again, which one is better?

you didn't include lcw lost to sony and simon :D
i will incude them if u say they are better than LD and TH

i will include it if u say they are better player than LD and TH

why haven't lindan been listed in WBF's hall of fame ? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Taufik had been listed in BWF's hall of fame? are u kidding?
the latest player in BWF's hall of fame was Susi Susanti in 2004.

from TH's collection, LD has not won:
Brunei, ABC, AG, OG, Ina, Mal, S'pore.

from LD's collection, TH has not won:
CHN open, CHN master, Kor, Jpn, World Cup, Macau, HK, Denmark, AE, Swiss, and Germany. plus, TH never won the WC for 2nd time.

again, which one is better?


lindan won wc when it becomes anually :p...


if lin dan can't win OG 2008... he will be forgotten :D

Taufik had been listed in BWF's hall of fame? are u kidding?
the latest player in BWF's hall of fame was Susi Susanti in 2004.

please browse in BWF website.. you can find TH names there :p..

why haven't lindan been listed in WBF's hall of fame ? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Taufik had been listed in BWF's hall of fame? are u kidding?
the latest player in BWF's hall of fame was Susi Susanti in 2004.

Yang Yang, Zhao Jian Hua and Han Jian is not in the listed of BWF's hall of fame. they aren't great?
one simple answer to you: BWF hates China players!

10 points for OG and just 2 points for WC? what is the valid reason?
the winner of OG and WC gets the same point rewards from BWF, so both tourneys are in the same level. consider to the prestiges, then we can upgrade the level of OG is higher than Wc, therefore 1 point higher for OG is reasonable. the gap of 8 pts is totally unacceptable.

as I said it before, AG is an unofficial tourney, the same with World Cup.
about ABC, it's just an "semi - official" tourney, coz we have 5 continents, but BWF only organize 2 Continental Ch'ships. why only 2? the other federations from the rest continents isn't a member of BWF?

why u always consider ABC is a prestigious tourney?
no european players in ABC, that's why CHN (and also KOR) players consider it as a less prestigious tourney. ABC is only suitable for Asia's 2nd class players only. less prize money & less competitive.


Whats your valid reason? how do you get 5 points for OG and 4 points for WC??? why Korean Open, why not JO open???? you can say what you want as you are still a kid....;);)

Anyway..no time to argue with you....

Yang Yang, Zhao Jian Hua and Han Jian is not in the listed of BWF's hall of fame. they aren't great?
one simple answer to you: BWF hates China players!


Michael..calm down...you can get banned . you can not say that....

Please..please be careful !!!!

please browse in BWF website.. you can find TH names there :p..


please look at:
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/awards-halloffame.asp.

can u find it?

Michael..calm down...you can get banned . you can not say that....

Please..please be careful !!!!

the limitation number in OG, WC, and Final SS
the changes in scoring system

according to you, who is the object?


btw, than'x to remind me.

the limitation number in OG, WC, and Final SS
the changes in scoring system

according to you, who is the object?


btw, than'x to remind me.
Please..please....you are still under probation..also they will know as you used Dong Jiong name before and it got banned...

you argued same things all the time..Michael..

Please kindly stop it and let it go!!!!!;);)

They are great players....all right?

the limitation number in OG, WC, and Final SS
the changes in scoring system

according to you, who is the object?


btw, than'x to remind me.

you should reject OG 2008 in your country.. it wastes money and not objective and also not prestigious

Whats your valid reason? how do you get 5 points for OG and 4 points for WC??? why Korean Open, why not JO open???? you can say what you want as you are still a kid....;);)

Anyway..no time to argue with you....

before BWF launched the Final SS, Kor Open provides the highest prize money, and Kor is a neutral country from 4 heavenly kings.

anyway, JPN or KOR is the same, no change in the league table coz TH never won both tourneys, while LD ever won it.

the gap between one tourney and another is only one. that's the reason.

Yang Yang, Zhao Jian Hua and Han Jian is not in the listed of BWF's hall of fame. they aren't great?
one simple answer to you: BWF hates China players!


There are so many Chinese names in Hall of Fame........

please look at:
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/awards-halloffame.asp.

can u find it?

ok i may be wrong.. i believe i had read TH is on listed 2005 hall of fame ...

at least TH got twice in a row the player of year (2004,2005)

BWF's PLAYER OF THE YEAR AWARD


Recipients of the Eddy Choong Player of the Year Award


1998
Peter GADE CHRISTENSEN (DEN)

1999
Camilla MARTIN (DEN)

2000
Candra WIJAYA (INA)

2001
GAO Ling (CHN)

2002
KIM Dong Moon (KOR)

2003
KIM Dong Moon (KOR)
Ra Kyung MIN (KOR)

2004
Hidayat Taufeek (INA)

2005
Hidayat Taufeek (INA)

you should reject OG 2008 in your country.. it wastes money and not objective and also not prestigious

what does it mean?
I said that BWF limits the number of players in each department for those 3 events, plus they change the scoring system to neutralize CHN's might. if BWF wants to be fair, don't limit the number. anyway, what's the relevant with OG 08?

I never said OG isn't prestigious, but I said that OG isn't the most difficult tourney to win. that's the same also with WC, Final SS, 12 SS tourneys, GP gold and silver.

TH is the best MS player in OG 04, that's why he can get the gold. but, the OG winner is not the best in the world. look at ABK, ZJH trounced him in AE and WC.

what does it mean?
I said that BWF limits the number of players in each department for those 3 events, plus they change the scoring system to neutralize CHN's might. if BWF wants to be fair, don't limit the number. anyway, what's the relevant with OG 08?

I never said OG isn't prestigious, but I said that OG isn't the most difficult tourney to win. that's the same also with WC, Final SS, 12 SS tourneys, GP gold and silver.

TH is the best MS player in OG 04, that's why he can get the gold. but, the OG winner is not the best in the world. look at ABK, ZJH trounced him in AE and WC.


Come on..if you say so..LD got beaten by Ronald Susilo, Simon, LCW,

what does it mean?
I said that BWF limits the number of players in each department for those 3 events, plus they change the scoring system to neutralize CHN's might. if BWF wants to be fair, don't limit the number. anyway, what's the relevant with OG 08?

I never said OG isn't prestigious, but I said that OG isn't the most difficult tourney to win. that's the same also with WC, Final SS, 12 SS tourneys, GP gold and silver.

TH is the best MS player in OG 04, that's why he can get the gold. but, the OG winner is not the best in the world. look at ABK, ZJH trounced him in AE and WC.

it's up to you then...

it's OK for me, you say lindan is the best or china players are the best in the world..but don't you ever 'lower' other country players

Michael_8:
If we wanna know LCW or LD, which one is the better player tis year, just look at their meetings:
LCW vs LD
Sudirman Cup: LCW won-21-12,21-15
China Master : LD won -15-21,21-14,21-15
Japan Open : LCW won-21-19,21-15

who win more? definitely is LCW, who bt LD twice, with convincingly two straight games, LD not even manage to take a game from LCW...

1>Taufik 2>Liem Swie King 3>Zhoa Jian Hua

ok i may be wrong.. i believe i had read TH is on listed 2005 hall of fame ...

at least TH got twice in a row the player of year (2004,2005)

BWF's PLAYER OF THE YEAR AWARD


Recipients of the Eddy Choong Player of the Year Award


1998
Peter GADE CHRISTENSEN (DEN)

1999
Camilla MARTIN (DEN)

2000
Candra WIJAYA (INA)

2001
GAO Ling (CHN)

2002
KIM Dong Moon (KOR)

2003
KIM Dong Moon (KOR)
Ra Kyung MIN (KOR)

2004
Hidayat Taufeek (INA)

2005
Hidayat Taufeek (INA)


why Taufik?

in 2004, it should be:
Zhang Ning : Kor, Mal, S'pore & OG (4 titles)
Gao Ling : Swiss & AE (WD), Mal, Ina & OG (XD) (5 titles)
both players won their titles outside CHN.

TH:
OG, ABC, Ina (ABC was held in Jkt, without euro players surely, without top CHN players, and without several top players from Asia. really a perfect tourney for TH). 2 out of 3 titles he won it in Ina.


in 2005, it should be:

Xie Xing Fang : Germany, AE, WC (3 titles)

coz, TH only won S'pore and WC (2 titles)


if the player of the year award only available for MS player only, why Candra Wijaya, KDM, RKM, and Camilla Martin had ever won it?

if the POTY award only available for MS player whom ever won the WC title, why Sun Jun & Xia Xuanze never won it?

besides discrimination, can u give another answer?

1>Taufik 2>Liem Swie King 3>Zhoa Jian Hua

can we just stick to year 2007...?

There are so many Chinese names in Hall of Fame........

where is LYB, Tian Bing Yi. and the most important thing is, where is :
the most successful MS player Yang Yang
the most talented player Zhao Jian Hua

1>Taufik 2>Liem Swie King 3>Zhoa Jian Hua

ZJH has a lung problem. even with that problem, he can outplayed several top MS players. let see it TH can do it, if he has the same condition.

Th does impress me a lot than LD...dono y??

i am closing this thread. as usual, topics like these are pointless and eventually (as it had) generate endless rathole arguments.

i am sure if i work hard enough, i can find around 10 reasons that i am a better MS player than Taufik and LD. and i can just stubbornly insists that those are the best criteria to judge with.