Ｐｏｔｅｎｔｉａｌ　Ｍａｌａｙｓｉａｎ　ｐｌａｙｅｒｓ　ｆｏｒ　ｇｏｌｄ　ｍｅｄａｌ　ｉｎ　Ｂｅｉｊ ｉｎｇ：　Ｌｅｅ，　Ｋｏｏ－Ｔａｎ，　Ｃｈｏｏｎｇ－Ｌｅｅ，　ｗｉｔｈ　Ｌｅｅ　ｈａｖｉｎｇ　ｔｈｅ 　ｂｉｇｇｅｓｔ　ｃｈａｎｃｅ．

Ｂｕｔ　ｃａｎ　ｈｅ　ｒｅａｌｌｙ　ｄｏ　ｉｔ？

sure. why not? they are good players so if they play well and play hard, there is a chance that they can win.

What's with the font? It's stretching out the entire forum

They "can", but they won't...LOL:D

why not?? Yes they can n they will...:):)

It's confusing. Your statement was framed as a question. Your reply, however, suggests you already have a personal opinion on this.

-dave

why not?? Yes they can n they will...:):)

History tends to repeat itself, and Malaysia has all the history necessary to back up the point that none of its badminton player have what it takes to win an Olympic gold metal. Consider no world champion came from Malaysia since its inception, doesn't that tell you something already?:p

History tends to repeat itself, and Malaysia has all the history necessary to back up the point that none of its badminton player have what it takes to win an Olympic gold metal. Consider no world champion came from Malaysia since its inception, doesn't that tell you something already?:p

nothing impossible la... even anup can win over the olympic's gold medallist...;) :D:p:)

They have the potential to win the gold medal.

Hey, bananakid, "IMPOSSIBLE IS NOTHING !! " and "NEVER SAY NEVER"
even if they dont win in 2008, maybe in 2012 ? KKK/TBH and LCW are still young...

Stop posting threads with that weird formatting. It's not funny.

maybe! but they must defeat china. and i think it is very hard!

They surely can!

maybe! but they must defeat china. and i think it is very hard!

Welcome to BC ! A very nice name indeed ;)

Stop posting threads with that weird formatting. It's not funny.

:D:D:D but its quite refreshing

but annoying :mad:

Hey, bananakid, "IMPOSSIBLE IS NOTHING !! " and "NEVER SAY NEVER"
even if they dont win in 2008, maybe in 2012 ? KKK/TBH and LCW are still young...

Agree, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE :)
Sure, the malaysian CAN win a gold in olimpic, or even TWO.


CHN might sweep all the 5 medals, or might be only ONE (I cant imagine CHN will get nothing).

lee chong wei is a good played sometime have big misstake lose tournament if no misstake like japan open can win lin dan and taufik again ,he improved very far but this time is in china very hard to win umpire very unfair same like china master.KKK/TBH before very good suddenly tan boon heong cannot play very hard make KKK lose n sad .hope malaysia no misstake again:crying:

lee chong wei is a good played sometime have big misstake lose tournament if no misstake like japan open can win lin dan and taufik again ,he improved very far but this time is in china very hard to win umpire very unfair same like china master.KKK/TBH before very good suddenly tan boon heong cannot play very hard make KKK lose n sad .hope malaysia no misstake again:crying:

Although 'young', Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong are already a spent force. It'd be quite surprising if they make it even to the semifinals, much less to the winners rostrum at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. :rolleyes:

In terms of skill, Lee Chong Wei does have what it takes to win a major event. :)
However, he has (repeatedly) shown that he gets demoralised quite easily. And that isn't going to be an asset when playing against the world's mentally toughest badminton players on their home turf. :(

Also, the allegation of umpiring bias ahead isn't quite valid.
Olympic events are overseen by an international panel. :)
There won't be any 'Chinese' umpiring. :D

The psychics are all out in force.

Fortunately they predicted Lin Dan or Taufik Hidayat and Zhang Ning to win the Japan Open.

So there's every chance for every decent player/team to win.

That's all. Good night.

Ｐｏｔｅｎｔｉａｌ　Ｍａｌａｙｓｉａｎ　ｐｌａｙｅｒｓ　ｆｏｒ　ｇｏｌｄ　ｍｅｄａｌ　ｉｎ　Ｂｅｉｊ ｉｎｇ：　Ｌｅｅ，　Ｋｏｏ－Ｔａｎ，　Ｃｈｏｏｎｇ－Ｌｅｅ，　ｗｉｔｈ　Ｌｅｅ　ｈａｖｉｎｇ　ｔｈｅ 　ｂｉｇｇｅｓｔ　ｃｈａｎｃｅ．

Ｂｕｔ　ｃａｎ　ｈｅ　ｒｅａｌｌｙ　ｄｏ　ｉｔ？

The answer is yes, everybody who are entitled for OG has a chance to win, even the YoYo King hafiz.

So what is the point of this thread?? To bash or to praise Malaysian players???

Is the a way to the font of the title of this post so that the whole forum doesn't get stretched out?

Although 'young', Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong are already a spent force. It'd be quite surprising if they make it even to the semifinals, much less to the winners rostrum at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. :rolleyes:

In terms of skill, Lee Chong Wei does have what it takes to win a major event. :)
However, he has (repeatedly) shown that he gets demoralised quite easily. And that isn't going to be an asset when playing against the world's mentally toughest badminton players on their home turf. :(

Also, the allegation of umpiring bias ahead isn't quite valid.
Olympic events are overseen by an international panel. :)
There won't be any 'Chinese' umpiring. :D
I believe LCW can learn from his mistakes in WC & bounced back strongly in Olympics..;)
Anyway, this thread is putting up too much pressure for MAS players :rolleyes:

Although 'young', Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong are already a spent force. It'd be quite surprising if they make it even to the semifinals, much less to the winners rostrum at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. :rolleyes:

In terms of skill, Lee Chong Wei does have what it takes to win a major event. :)
However, he has (repeatedly) shown that he gets demoralised quite easily. And that isn't going to be an asset when playing against the world's mentally toughest badminton players on their home turf. :(

Also, the allegation of umpiring bias ahead isn't quite valid.
Olympic events are overseen by an international panel. :)
There won't be any 'Chinese' umpiring. :D
Concur with you that kkk/tbh are unlikely to win the gold although they are far from being a spent force.ctf/lww probably have a better chance if they can understand more about using their energy levels in a smarter way against top MDs but be ruthless and never let their guard down when facing lesser opponents.
However I' m surprised you're still fixated at lcw's image a year ago.Losing the MO07 and winning the IO07 has transformed LCW into a fearless player.(Sure he may have lost in WC,so what?) LCW may not look it but he's probably one of the mentally toughest players.He just needs to hone his tactics to perfection and he'll be quite a scary opponent even to top guns.
I agree umpires at OG08 will be international but the line judges will be largely, if not all, Chinese.

Concur with you that kkk/tbh are unlikely to win the gold although they are far from being a spent force.ctf/lww probably have a better chance if they can understand more about using their energy levels in a smarter way against top MDs but be ruthless and never let their guard down when facing lesser opponents.
However I' m surprised you're still fixated at lcw's image a year ago.Losing the MO07 and winning the IO07 has transformed LCW into a fearless player.(Sure he may have lost in WC,so what?) LCW may not look it but he's probably one of the mentally toughest players.He just needs to hone his tactics to perfection and he'll be quite a scary opponent even to top guns.
I agree umpires at OG08 will be international but the line judges will be largely, if not all, Chinese.

I stand by my observations.
KKK and TBH might be great players on their own but this partnership is definitely an empty prospect at the 2008 Olympics.

If you were to analyze their game, one aspect would become quite clear.
They're far from capable when it comes to setting up a winning shot.
Most of their points come from capitalizing on their opponents' errors.

The ability to kill an even slightly wayward shuttle is a necessary talent...
...but what's more important is the ability to set up a kill.
It was this skill that allowed Joo Bong Park to rule the scene in his time.
On the day their opponents play a near-faultless game, KKK & TBH would simply wither away.
And that's exactly what's been happening in recent tournaments.

Speed, power and stamina don't win games... they only help win games.
Strategy, positioning and placement are what win games.
I doubt if KKK & TBH have any of these traits in them, in required measure.

However, all this could change if KKK & TBH were to strive to acquire such skills. The question is, will they?

As for LCW, I'd say that you're being deceived by his appearance of calmness.
In fact, it is a self-imposed mask that helps hide his nervousness.
Look at how easily he crumbles and begins to bleed points at the last mile... it was evident even during his triumphant run at the Japan Open.

A mentally tough player would be someone like Hendrawan or Han Jian.
Even at match point, it was as if they were preparing for the opening serve.
Although LCW has less than a year to condition his mind and approach, he might just make it there.

At least, I hope he does.

If you were to analyze their game, one aspect would become quite clear.
They're far from capable when it comes to setting up a winning shot.
Most of their points come from capitalizing on their opponents' errors.

Are you sure? :eek:

In NSS , especially in doubles, which pairs did not winning most of the points by capitalizing opponents' errors. ?
Whoever make the fewer mistakes will win the match eventually..
There isn't any pair of the world is capable of playing an error free match.

Speed, power and stamina don't win games... they only help win games.
Strategy, positioning and placement are what win games.
I doubt if KKK & TBH have any of these traits in them, in required measure.
..it could also be the other way around; skill/technique is equally as important;)...If one has great strategy, positioning and placement, but doesn't have the speed, power and stamina (and skill/technique), how would one be able to execute the shot/play??...:confused::cool:

..it could also be the other way around; skill/technique is equally as important;)...If one has great strategy, positioning and placement, but doesn't have the speed, power and stamina (and skill/technique), how would one be able to execute the shot/play??...:confused::cool:

i have speed and power.. but i can't still beat TH :D :D....

I stand by my observations.
KKK and TBH might be great players on their own but this partnership is definitely an empty prospect at the 2008 Olympics.

If you were to analyze their game, one aspect would become quite clear.
They're far from capable when it comes to setting up a winning shot.
Most of their points come from capitalizing on their opponents' errors.

The ability to kill an even slightly wayward shuttle is a necessary talent...
...but what's more important is the ability to set up a kill.
It was this skill that allowed Joo Bong Park to rule the scene in his time.
On the day their opponents play a near-faultless game, KKK & TBH would simply wither away.
And that's exactly what's been happening in recent tournaments.

Speed, power and stamina don't win games... they only help win games.
Strategy, positioning and placement are what win games.
I doubt if KKK & TBH have any of these traits in them, in required measure.

However, all this could change if KKK & TBH were to strive to acquire such skills. The question is, will they?

As for LCW, I'd say that you're being deceived by his appearance of calmness.
In fact, it is a self-imposed mask that helps hide his nervousness.
Look at how easily he crumbles and begins to bleed points at the last mile... it was evident even during his triumphant run at the Japan Open.

A mentally tough player would be someone like Hendrawan or Han Jian.
Even at match point, it was as if they were preparing for the opening serve.
Although LCW has less than a year to condition his mind and approach, he might just make it there.

At least, I hope he does.
It's great to have the reasoning behind your opinion.I wouldn't worry about LCW's mind. His self-talk under pressure has been good and improving.What LCW needs to do more ,in the build up to OG08, is to experiment more with tactics so as to suss out his opponents' hitherto unknown weaknesses and to put them under tremendous mental pressure.He should aim for that because he has the unique combination of skills for experimenting.For example, he can explore playing the second half of a game quite differently from the first so as to make his opponent's coach advice at the 11-mark interval obsolete.There are many other possibilities to explore.
Let me say I respect your opinions more when accompanied with your rationale.

..it could also be the other way around; skill/technique is equally as important;)...If one has great strategy, positioning and placement, but doesn't have the speed, power and stamina (and skill/technique), how would one be able to execute the shot/play??...:confused::cool:

Er, what was that again? :eek:
Did anyone say 'strategy, positioning and placement' without 'speed, power and stamina'? :confused:

Er, what was that again? :eek:
Did anyone say 'strategy, positioning and placement' without 'speed, power and stamina'? :confused:
..(okay, you got me, i didn't word it properly; hope you won't be as "upset"):p;)
..What i meant was, IMO, all of those factors are equally as important; as, IMO, not 1 or 2 factor(s) is/are above the rest..And, IMO, there are 3 factors:
-technique/skill
-stamina/physical aspect (which, IMO, include 'speed, power & stamina') and
-court smart/mental aspect (which, IMO, include 'strategy, positioning & placement')..;):cool:

History tends to repeat itself, and Malaysia has all the history necessary to back up the point that none of its badminton player have what it takes to win an Olympic gold metal. Consider no world champion came from Malaysia since its inception, doesn't that tell you something already?:p

here you are........again.........i like you so much bananaboy :D:D:D:D:D

i think is too early to predict and bring this question out now...we might not know what happened in the next few months...however just for the sake of discussion any malaysia men players (sorry gals) be it single or doubles have what it takes to become an olympic gold medallist. be it LCW, WCH or even HH? as for doubles, KKK/TBH, LWW/CTF.... but is now up to the players and coaches to know what they need to do to accomplish this tasks....as many might pointed out...malaysian players tend to shine in smaller tournament and suddenly drop in grand tournament, WC07? is time for them to think of a better way for the players to peak at the right tournament and not putting unnecessary pressure to them. and finally all malaysian must stand by their side even when they are down and not talking bad about them....
what i can say, is time for every players and malaysians to believe that we are capable to achieve it....just a matter of time....

Guess what... I won the Hong Kong Open MD bet :p
KKK/TBH who? :D

Although 'young', Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong are already a spent force. :rolleyes:

I stand by my observations.
KKK and TBH might be great players on their own but this partnership is definitely an empty prospect at the 2008 Olympics.

If you were to analyze their game, one aspect would become quite clear.
They're far from capable when it comes to setting up a winning shot.
Most of their points come from capitalizing on their opponents' errors.

The ability to kill an even slightly wayward shuttle is a necessary talent...
...but what's more important is the ability to set up a kill.
It was this skill that allowed Joo Bong Park to rule the scene in his time.
On the day their opponents play a near-faultless game, KKK & TBH would simply wither away.
And that's exactly what's been happening in recent tournaments.

Speed, power and stamina don't win games... they only help win games.
Strategy, positioning and placement are what win games.
I doubt if KKK & TBH have any of these traits in them, in required measure.
French Open... China Open... Hong Kong Open...
...the procession of defeat has only begun :)
Are you sure? :eek:
I'd strongly think so.

The psychics are all out in force.
The psychics were right too. :p

Malaysia For Gold I Support You!!!

Er, what was that again? :eek:
Did anyone say 'strategy, positioning and placement' without 'speed, power and stamina'? :confused:

Another old pop talking:D:p:cool::rolleyes:;):oYou are all wrong, Kendrick Lee of SIN is going to beat Malaysia in landing the first gold:p;):D:eek:

Guess what... I won the Hong Kong Open MD bet :p
KKK/TBH who? :D

French Open... China Open... Hong Kong Open...
...the procession of defeat has only begun :)

I'd strongly think so.


The psychics were right too. :p

Spent force? Maybe, maybe not. I would put it as young in partnership & experience. Only 1 year partnership, 22 & 20 year old lads with 4 SS titles, 2 GP Gold titles, 1 AG Champ to boot.
Or shall I say Rexy wouldnt let them be spent force.
Like you said "Strategy, positioning, placement are what win games." they're learning all that - havent reached there yet.

1) As comparision, Kido/Setiawan crashed out earlier rounds 1st 7 months of 2007, up till 2007 - if they are Msian MD, they would have been written off, but they bounced back later half of the year. 1st half 2007 many Indonesia fans were worried Kido/Setiawan were would wither away like Luluk/Alvent.

2) Fu/Cai - also been defeated left, right in later part of 2007.
++ Kido/Setiawan, Fu/Cai have been partnering longer than KKK/TBH


3) Of course Tony/Chandra are having a resurgence but Tony isnt going for Oly 2008, so one less opponent.

4) Then, of course there's the Korea pair Lee/Jung - WC runner-up, one SS win (or was it Hwang/Lee), one GP win, also young pair.

We shall see..... 8 more months....

DOn't suprise tat GOLD MEDAL for Malaysia in OG'08 is FROM WOMEN SINGLE - WONG MEW CHOO :p

Malaysia will win two !

wow,:eek::eek:
1 olyimpic gold medal is worth 1 million??:confused::rolleyes::cool::eek::eek:

from NST Online (http://www.nst.com.my/NST/index_html)

Sportcheck: Is RM160,000 for gold enough?

http://www.nst.com.my/Thursday/Sport/2122863/insidepix1
Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong (right) are good bets to win the nation’s first gold at the Olympics.

A MILLION ringgit for Olympic gold?
That could well be the reward for any athlete who strikes in Beijing as the Sports Ministry and National Sports Council (NSC) fine tune their plans for an all-out assault on the Olympics in August.

Currently, the NSC's incentive scheme states that RM160,000 is the Government's reward for an Olympic gold, RM80,000 for silver and RM40,000 for bronze.

The amount, needless to say, is "inadequate" considering just how much prize money some athletes win competing in Open tournaments in their respective sport.

Sports Minister Datuk Seri Azalina Othman Said admitted that the amount is being looked at.
"We have to sit down and discuss our strategies (for the Olympics) and increasing the incentive is one of the issues we will look at," said Azalina after witnessing Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi handing out cash incentives yesterday to athletes who won gold in the Korat Sea Games.

"The Prime Minister has spoken about winning Olympic gold. The cash incentive is not the only issue but I agree, we need to strategise to have maximum returns in Beijing."

Malaysia's Olympic incentive scheme pales in comparison with that of Singapore, which offers S$1 million (RM2.3 million) and South Korea (US$200,000 > RM662,000).

Korea also offers a monthly life pension of US$1,000. Malaysia also has a similar pension scheme though with RM3,000 for an Olympic gold medallist, RM1,500 for silver and RM1,000 for bronze.

While the pension scheme, introduced by the Cabinet Committee for Sports that is chaired by Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak, is a laudable move, the incentive scheme needs to be revised.

The badminton players, Malaysia's best bet for medals in Beijing, have the lucrative Super Series which offers a minimum US$200,000 total prize money per leg.

Men's doubles Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong won four Super Series titles, each worth US$14,400 and there is also the yet to-be-staged Grand final, which will have US$500,000 as the prize money of which the men's doubles champions will receive US$36,000.

It is also worth knowing the Super Series offers cash prizes from the first round onwards. Kien Keat-Boon Heong also won the Macao and Philippines Grand Prix Opens, which earned them another US$17,280.

NSC director general Datuk Zolkples Embong said an increase is likely but the amount is yet to be decided.

"We have been discussing the possibility of increasing the incentive but the amount has to be confirmed. But I believe that an increase looks likely as it is not an easy feat to win an Olympic gold," said Zolkples.

"Even RM1 million can be rewarded for Olympic gold but what is important is that the amount must be manageable so that we can provide our winners continuously."

Spent force? Maybe, maybe not. I would put it as young in partnership & experience. Only 1 year partnership, 22 & 20 year old lads with 4 SS titles, 2 GP Gold titles, 1 AG Champ to boot.
Or shall I say Rexy wouldnt let them be spent force.
Like you said "Strategy, positioning, placement are what win games." they're learning all that - havent reached there yet.

1) As comparision, Kido/Setiawan crashed out earlier rounds 1st 7 months of 2007, up till 2007 - if they are Msian MD, they would have been written off, but they bounced back later half of the year. 1st half 2007 many Indonesia fans were worried Kido/Setiawan were would wither away like Luluk/Alvent.

2) Fu/Cai - also been defeated left, right in later part of 2007.
++ Kido/Setiawan, Fu/Cai have been partnering longer than KKK/TBH


3) Of course Tony/Chandra are having a resurgence but Tony isnt going for Oly 2008, so one less opponent.

4) Then, of course there's the Korea pair Lee/Jung - WC runner-up, one SS win (or was it Hwang/Lee), one GP win, also young pair.

We shall see..... 8 more months....

... you left out Park Joo-bong's Japanese pair, Singapore's Indonesian imports and the very clever Danes... :p

all da top players have da potential.. its still base on that day's form n whose better on THAT particular day... haha

Malaysia will win two !

Kinda reminds me of the sabre rattling prior to last year's WC in KL.
Well, I hope we dont fall flat on our face again come Beijing :o

Kinda reminds me of the sabre rattling prior to last year's WC in KL.
Well, I hope we dont fall flat on our face again come Beijing :o

Of course, it disappointed you and probably everyone else (and me somewhat). But if I hummed on that and always live on what happened in the past (like you), I may not look forward to the future (also like you).;)

... if I hummed on that and always live on what happened in the past (like you), I may not look forward to the future (also like you).;)
That my friend, is a very sound piece of wisdom.

1) It depends on which opponents in the earlier rounds.

2) And also if they have not peaked their performance too early before the Olympics.

Of the players, Lee Chong Wei have what it takes to win it all, since he has beaten all the top China players very recently. He even reached the Finals on 2 occasions in China Open and Hong Kong Open 2007 in foreign homeground.

I don't know about TBH/KKK's chances...they are in a slide at the moment. But being not top seeds...may increased their hunger.

WMC's chances are ok....since she won in China before.

NSC director general Datuk Zolkples Embong said an increase is likely but the amount is yet to be decided.

"We have been discussing the possibility of increasing the incentive but the amount has to be confirmed. But I believe that an increase looks likely as it is not an easy feat to win an Olympic gold," said Zolkples.

Took the words right out of my mouth..hehe

All I can say is "who knows if M'sia can win?".

You can all discuss until the cows come home.

Form is not a very good predictor. Poul Erik Hoyer Larsen was not a favourite. Ji Xin Peng was not a favourite.

Ra Kyu Min and Kim Dong Moon - who would have thought they could NOT win the Olympic gold.

Took the words right out of my mouth..hehe

All I can say is "who knows if M'sia can win?".

You can all discuss until the cows come home.

Form is not a very good predictor. Poul Erik Hoyer Larsen was not a favourite. Ji Xin Peng was not a favourite.

Ra Kyu Min and Kim Dong Moon - who would have thought they could NOT win the Olympic gold.

You are saying the obvious, of course nobody would ever know. ;)

Taking a few words from you : "All I can say is" we are all predicting here. And if form is not a good indicator, then consider it our wild guesses. What is the problem ?:D

WMC's chances are ok....since she won in China before.

Vita / Lilyana won in China. what can they do now?:D

1) It depends on which opponents in the earlier rounds.

2) And also if they have not peaked their performance too early before the Olympics.

Of the players, Lee Chong Wei have what it takes to win it all, since he has beaten all the top China players very recently. He even reached the Finals on 2 occasions in China Open and Hong Kong Open 2007 in foreign homeground.

I don't know about TBH/KKK's chances...they are in a slide at the moment. But being not top seeds...may increased their hunger.

WMC's chances are ok....since she won in China before.

too bad, CY will not play in OG.
since 2006, 3-1 favor to CY.
CY do it in neutral ground. for LCW, u can guess where he make it.

only one simple answer: NO!

1) It depends on which opponents in the earlier rounds.

2) And also if they have not peaked their performance too early before the Olympics.

Of the players, Lee Chong Wei have what it takes to win it all, since he has beaten all the top China players very recently. He even reached the Finals on 2 occasions in China Open and Hong Kong Open 2007 in foreign homeground.

I don't know about TBH/KKK's chances...they are in a slide at the moment. But being not top seeds...may increased their hunger.

WMC's chances are ok....since she won in China before.

even Ina only target for 1 gold only.
3 golds for MAS? let see!

Of course, it disappointed you and probably everyone else (and me somewhat). But if I hummed on that and always live on what happened in the past (like you), I may not look forward to the future (also like you).;)

The sad thing about Msia is that we dont learn from the past. We dont take the lessons of today and improve on it. As such, we have people like you who will keep on hoping against hope, consoling yourself with statements like "... but if I hummed on that and always live on what happened in the past, I may not look forward to the future".

It will certainly help if we look forward to the future if we address the mistakes of today.

But I certainly look forward to your prediction of Msia winning two gold medals in Beijing.

only one simple answer: NO!

I think that is gonna hurt some wishful thinking Msians. ;)

even Ina only target for 1 gold only.
3 golds for MAS? let see!

True to our Malaysia Boleh chest thumping, we like to set high standards. But once we fall flat, we have a bag of ready made excuses at the ready to dish out i.e. biased judging, Beijing very hot and dusty, traffic jam very bad, too much pressure, RM1 million incentive not good enough, etc etc.

The sad thing about Msia is that we dont learn from the past. We dont take the lessons of today and improve on it. As such, we have people like you who will keep on hoping against hope, consoling yourself with statements like "... but if I hummed on that and always live on what happened in the past, I may not look forward to the future".

It will certainly help if we look forward to the future if we address the mistakes of today.

Yes, it is true that we need to address the mistakes of the past but we have, else we would not have got LCW or the the doubles pairs (and they compare favorably with others, sure they lose some but also win some, no less than anybody else because the competition is really great).

To err is human. To keep humming on the past is not truly fair to a lot of people who have put in the effort. To brand people with hopeless causes may be your idea of raising awareness but in itself is nothing more than being a critical judge of people.

Remember to be critical of others, you must enact the same critic on yourself first.

even Ina only target for 1 gold only.
3 golds for MAS? let see!
some said that sutiyoso targeted 4 golds

Kinda reminds me of the sabre rattling prior to last year's WC in KL.
Well, I hope we dont fall flat on our face again come Beijing :o
only one simple answer: NO!
Of course, it disappointed you and probably everyone else (and me somewhat). But if I hummed on that and always live on what happened in the past (like you), I may not look forward to the future (also like you).;)
..perhaps this song, by the Monkees, would sum up X Ball's positive attitude;):cool::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f4GpZQk6rw&feature=related

Yes, it is true that we need to address the mistakes of the past but we have, else we would not have got LCW or the the doubles pairs (and they compare favorably with others, sure they lose some but also win some, no less than anybody else because the competition is really great).

May I refer you to a peculiar phenomena called "regression to the mean" which can be found in biostatistics. Basically, it regards any improvement as a statistical blip. Therefore, M'sia's recent successes occurring by laws of probablility but they will regress to the mean i.e. go lower down. We can consider them going lower down because we have not seen any consistency in the past.

Hafiz is a classic example of regression to the mean. He had a great patch of form, but then went back to his own average standard of play. Average means that is his average standard, not average standard across a wide sample of players.

You are saying the obvious, of course nobody would ever know. ;)

Zolkples said it;)

I also agree that 1million has doubtful value as an incentive per se.

Yes, it is true that we need to address the mistakes of the past but we have, else we would not have got LCW or the the doubles pairs (and they compare favorably with others, sure they lose some but also win some, no less than anybody else because the competition is really great).

To err is human. To keep humming on the past is not truly fair to a lot of people who have put in the effort. To brand people with hopeless causes may be your idea of raising awareness but in itself is nothing more than being a critical judge of people.

Remember to be critical of others, you must enact the same critic on yourself first.

What actually have we learned from the past? If we take into account our last Thomas Cup winning squad and compare it to Hafiz and KKK/TBH, I doubt we actually learn anything. Rexy lost his rag and even quit recently, only to change his mind the next day. Why is that so? Morten Frost, Park Joo Bong and Li Mao all packed their bags. Do we know why world class coaches like them left in a huff?? Did we learned anything?

If you say we have made progress or else we wont have LCW or the doubles pair, then I am sorry to say I dont agree with your standards. Please note, Malaysia is a top badminton playing nation. Our game here is well supported and funded by the government. To have only one LCW now despite all the development and financial investments certainly proved we have learned nothing.

This is not me being critical. I am just stating the facts. And the facts are as long as we molly cuddle, pamper our shuttlers, politicians running BAM with their yesmen, we are going to continue to throw away good money and come up with half cooked development programs. That is why till today, we dont have either a WC or an Olympic gold medal to show.

You have boldly predicted that Msia will win two golds in Beijing. From who?? LCW & KKK/TBH???

And this very disease is not only within BAM, it is across all our sports. We used to be decent in football, athletics, men's hockey, sepak takraw but look at where we are now. Everything just gone down south.

To err is human, agree. But to not learn anything from past mistakes is beyond idiotic.

May I refer you to a peculiar phenomena called "regression to the mean" which can be found in biostatistics. Basically, it regards any improvement as a statistical blip. Therefore, M'sia's recent successes occurring by laws of probablility but they will regress to the mean i.e. go lower down. We can consider them going lower down because we have not seen any consistency in the past.

Hafiz is a classic example of regression to the mean. He had a great patch of form, but then went back to his own average standard of play. Average means that is his average standard, not average standard across a wide sample of players.

I applaud you on the interesting use of statistics. Got me stumped with words like 'regression to the mean'. The only word I think I can associate with is 'peculiar' which means uncommon. If it is uncommon, I cannot rely on it to suggest anything concrete.

Hafiz's loss in form is all about getting too complacent. After a peak, he thought it was all too easy. He lamented on that himself that he spent late nights with friends drinking coffee chatting about his AE success. If that contributed to some statistical blip, I will be darned.:D

I applaud you on the interesting use of statistics. Got me stumped with words like 'regression to the mean'. The only word I think I can associate with is 'peculiar' which means uncommon. If it is uncommon, I cannot rely on it to suggest anything concrete.

Hafiz's loss in form is all about getting too complacent. After a peak, he thought it was all too easy. He lamented on that himself that he spent late nights with friends drinking coffee chatting about his AE success. If that contributed to some statistical blip, I will be darned.:D

And coupled with the fact that BAM continue to molly cuddle and pamper him with love and tender loving care, we have what we have today la.

If Hafiz was chinese, I am pretty sure the Chinese BA or LYB would have happily shown him the door years ago.

Thats the difference.

I applaud your efforts, Pemuda, and your resolve. Sometimes I wonder that Rexy, who has direct interaction with Koo Kean Kiat & Tan Boon Heong, who has tried to warn against the effects that meddle into their performance, still could not penetrate "the mentality."

-dave

What actually have we learned from the past? If we take into account our last Thomas Cup winning squad and compare it to Hafiz and KKK/TBH, I doubt we actually learn anything. Rexy lost his rag and even quit recently, only to change his mind the next day. Why is that so? Morten Frost, Park Joo Bong and Li Mao all packed their bags. Do we know why world class coaches like them left in a huff?? Did we learned anything?

If you say we have made progress or else we wont have LCW or the doubles pair, then I am sorry to say I dont agree with your standards. Please note, Malaysia is a top badminton playing nation. Our game here is well supported and funded by the government. To have only one LCW now despite all the development and financial investments certainly proved we have learned nothing.

This is not me being critical. I am just stating the facts. And the facts are as long as we molly cuddle, pamper our shuttlers, politicians running BAM with their yesmen, we are going to continue to throw away good money and come up with half cooked development programs. That is why till today, we dont have either a WC or an Olympic gold medal to show.

You have boldly predicted that Msia will win two golds in Beijing. From who?? LCW & KKK/TBH???

And this very disease is not only within BAM, it is across all our sports. We used to be decent in football, athletics, men's hockey, sepak takraw but look at where we are now. Everything just gone down south.

To err is human, agree. But to not learn anything from past mistakes is beyond idiotic.

I disagree with BAM pampering our players. They seemed to be always telling them off, if anything, and warning them to buckle up. It is so much so that players feel the pressure and quit.

Sure, it is easy to expect fast results else it is not seen to be working. Just remember there are so many countries spending large amount of money also trying to win titles. It then boils down to not just officials, strategies but also players. They players' bit is not an easy thing to control, we may have the "LCWs' out there but the parents might not want their sons or daughters to end up in sport only. And if we get them in, the motivational thing is also something that coaches cannot control (you pointed out Rexy's frustrations).

I know for you to cry foul is so easy but there are heartaches too for everyone - no one is perfect enough to get everything they want for all times. Even China has now got to contend with players capable of knocking off LD. If LCW can win a few titles (and if he regresses to a low mean later because of a statistical blip as explained by Cheung :)), I would still pat everyone on the back and say, "WELL DONE!". It is not a blessed job, not with fans like you.

And coupled with the fact that BAM continue to molly cuddle and pamper him with love and tender loving care, we have what we have today la.

If Hafiz was chinese, I am pretty sure the Chinese BA or LYB would have happily shown him the door years ago.

Thats the difference.


If Hafiz was molly cuddled, how come he complained about not getting financial resources from BAM and quited ?

Why does he join KLRC for some pittance RM 2000+ per month ?

Explain !

If Hafiz was molly cuddled, how come he complained about not getting financial resources from BAM and quited ?

Why does he join KLRC for some pittance RM 2000+ per month ?

Explain !

Gladly. Hafiz won the AE in 2003. For that win, there were rewards and the offer to join the police force for him and Roslin. Both joined as inspector. No, academic degree, immediately given the inspector post. Isnt that molly cuddle??

Now I am sure he gets a salary/allowance from the police force. And like all government service, they are entitled a pension for life upon retirement.

After his AE win in 2003, the major titles dried up except for some mickey mouse titles here and there like German & Dutch Open etc. So, the very fact that he is complaining that he is not getting a big payday despite not winning the big titles dont hold water. As a professional shuttler, he should know his earnings depends on his success. Thats how things work in pro sports, my friend. But due to the guy being so used to the molly cuddling, pampering what we see now is a spoilt brat moaning and ranting.

2003 was along time ago. If BAM is not molly cuddling him, then why are we still putting up with Hafiz till today. Are you saying despite the game being played extensively here and with the government financial support, till today we are unable to find a capable replacement for a indisciplined & underperforming shuttler?? :(

I disagree with BAM pampering our players. They seemed to be always telling them off, if anything, and warning them to buckle up. It is so much so that players feel the pressure and quit.

Sure, it is easy to expect fast results else it is not seen to be working. Just remember there are so many countries spending large amount of money also trying to win titles. It then boils down to not just officials, strategies but also players. They players' bit is not an easy thing to control, we may have the "LCWs' out there but the parents might not want their sons or daughters to end up in sport only. And if we get them in, the motivational thing is also something that coaches cannot control (you pointed out Rexy's frustrations).

I know for you to cry foul is so easy but there are heartaches too for everyone - no one is perfect enough to get everything they want for all times. Even China has now got to contend with players capable of knocking off LD. If LCW can win a few titles (and if he regresses to a low mean later because of a statistical blip as explained by Cheung :)), I would still pat everyone on the back and say, "WELL DONE!". It is not a blessed job, not with fans like you.

Please look back at KKK/TBH when they first won the AG and AE. It was a circus. BAM even let the shuttlers went to Machap on some by-election do. Rexy was furious as he knew such distraction is not good for this young pair. Look at KKK/TBH today, look at the dyed hairdos, bracelets, gold chains and rings. I believe they have become prima donnas thats why we see Rexy losing his rag now and then.

Am not crying foul here as you claimed. But am putting to you the facts. You say other countries are spending lots of money to develop badminton, the point is are we spending our money correctly to develop the game because we only got one LCW to show and we have yet to win either the WC or Olympic gold todate. For example, the WC, countries such as Indonesia, China, South Korea, England, Denmark, Sweden, Japan & USA have all won it before. But where is Msia?? I mean if England, where badminton is more like a social sport can win that WC 3 times, how come we are still looking at a big zero here in Malaysia. Again not crying foul, facts are facts.

As for the parents thingy here, let me put it to you how many parents out there will want their kids to take that step in pro sports when BAM is run by half cooked politicians??? Win some titles and you get to be used as political pawn for some by-election roadshow ... is that how a professional BAM be managed??

I am sorry fans like me want to see a better Malaysia. We want to see truly professional sports associations across the board. We are fed up with the on-going rot in all our sports. In short, we are aiming to be amongst the best out there while fans like you are happy with the current lackadaisical circus.

Malaysia will win two !

Care to explain how?

only one simple answer: NO!
I totally agree! ;)

Care to explain how?The same way everybody else would have to - win all their games. :p

i thought he was only a constable in the "pasukan polis tambahan" or reserve unit. hmmmm.........

I also thought the offer to join the police force should not be offered to both Roslin & Hafiz only, it should be extended to all i.e. Wong Mew Choo, Cheah Soon Kit, Yap Kim Hock, Rashid Sidek, Julia Wong, Anita Raj etc.

hmmmm .....

I think we digress a bit.

Let's go back to the topic title.

Care to explain how?


Why explain if you do not see what I see ? It will be more of you pouring hot water on it.

At the end if you think that things are not going right, it is your prerogative. For me, LCW and the doubles have given a lot of satisfaction to me, the fan. For that, I see every need to support them. The gold rings, chains, the BMWs, etc. are symbols of their successes - no less than the 100m champs from the US with their flashy gold chains.

And they know to earn more, they need to put in the effort. Hafiz, has dropped off because he does not value his success long enough. It is nothing to do with BAM molly cuddling him. How many times have you seen champions whose work ethics are strong even with their associations treating them like 'kings'. It is all about the person - a good example is Nicol David (she is enjoying all the pampering from SQUASH Malaysia) and is she faltering ?

I applaud your efforts, Pemuda, and your resolve. Sometimes I wonder that Rexy, who has direct interaction with Koo Kean Kiat & Tan Boon Heong, who has tried to warn against the effects that meddle into their performance, still could not penetrate "the mentality."

-dave

Thanks mate. It is not gonna be easy to remove the blinders.

I think we digress a bit.

Let's go back to the topic title.


Agree. But it is hard when you are taken to task by someone to explain - so digression is forgivable.:cool:

Why explain if you do not see what I see ? It will be more of you pouring hot water on it.

At the end if you think that things are not going right, it is your prerogative. For me, LCW and the doubles have given a lot of satisfaction to me, the fan. For that, I see every need to support them. The gold rings, chains, the BMWs, etc. are symbols of their successes - no less than the 100m champs from the US with their flashy gold chains.

And they know to earn more, they need to put in the effort. Hafiz, has dropped off because he does not value his success long enough. It is nothing to do with BAM molly cuddling him. How many times have you seen champions whose work ethics are strong even with their associations treating them like 'kings'. It is all about the person - a good example is Nicol David (she is enjoying all the pampering from SQUASH Malaysia) and is she faltering ?

Dude,

It should be pouring cold water, not hot water. ;)

Secondly, we are engaging in a discussion. You asked me to explain the molly cuddling with Hafiz. I did that. When I asked you to explain how and where you think Msia will take two gold medals in Beijing, you start to throw all your toys out. Steady, dude. No need to go on a rant.

I agree and have no problems with the gold chains, bracelets, rings, dyed hairdos and whatever 'symbol of successes'. Key word, symbol of successes. Well, as for our shuttlers, in terms of symbol of successes, care to enlighten me which one won the WC or Olympic gold?? Or do you consider the Phillippines & Dutch Open as 'symbol of successes'?

100 meters champs like Maurice Green, my dear friend won the Olympic gold and World Championships. The same goes fro Leroy Burrell and Carl Lewis etc.

If BAM did not molly cuddle Hafiz, why do they still persist with Hafiz till today??

Nicol David is enjoying her current status today as the world number 1 women squash player. As number 1, she enjoys the financial rewards from her prize winnings, sponsors and incentives from the government. This is not pampering, do not get confused, please. Do some justice for this true champion. She earned what she is getting today. 24 major titles which includes the World And British Open.

Dude,

It should be pouring cold water, not hot water. ;)

Top man ! Even picked on my english.

Secondly, we are engaging in a discussion. You asked me to explain the molly cuddling with Hafiz. I did that. When I asked you to explain how and where you think Msia will take two gold medals in Beijing, you start to throw all your toys out. Steady, dude. No need to go on a rant.

Yeah, a discussion which is not going anywhere coz you just want people to listen to your views. Why should I elaborate ?

I agree and have no problems with the gold chains, bracelets, rings, dyed hairdos and whatever 'symbol of successes'. Key word, symbol of successes. Well, as for our shuttlers, in terms of symbol of successes, care to enlighten me which one won the WC or Olympic gold?? Or do you consider the Phillippines & Dutch Open as 'symbol of successes'?

Does it mean they will never. Yeah, how about the AE and the IO -- why don't you say that -- is that not symbol of success. ?

100 meters champs like Maurice Green, my dear friend won the Olympic gold and World Championships. The same goes fro Leroy Burrell and Carl Lewis etc.

If BAM did not molly cuddle Hafiz, why did they still persist with Hafiz till today??

That is funny, do we just kick people out the moment they do not perform. Hafiz was given a chance-BAM wanted to ensure fairness and not be blamed later that they have not given everybody a fair go.

Nicol David is enjoying her current status today as the world number 1 women squash player. As number 1, she enjoys the financial rewards from her prize winnings, sponsors and incentives from the government. This is not pampering, do not get confused, please. Do some justice for this true champion. She earned what she is getting today. 24 major titles which includes the World And British Open.

Yeah but that is because the program worked for her -- she is a champ. Hafiz as I explained is not a champ but BAM gave him a fair chance. What is the argument here ? If your argument is that BAM should not give him that, I think BAM is not saying any different. They have not provided Hafiz with anything else apart from the miserly RM 2000 (and that has stopped due to his performance).

only one simple answer: NO!
thats quite...whats the word yaa?

even if u dont have faith in malaysia lineups.
another kind of comments please..

Agree, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE :)
Sure, the malaysian CAN win a gold in olimpic, or even TWO.


CHN might sweep all the 5 medals, or might be only ONE (I cant imagine CHN will get nothing).
110 percent with u.optimistic.thats the only thing our shuttlers need.keep it on.

5o years ago,we are depending on british to survive.look at us now.do something to make malaysia proud.this new years,why not?we can keep the olympic medals in our homeland instead of looking at china brought it back to theirs.

c'mon malaysia.u boleh.all the time.im so patriotic now.the fire is lighten up.
especially to my kkk,my dear.give ur best.

on Singles, u guys have touch on the mental aspects, let me discuss the physical aspects.

I do know lcw trains really hard and look at his legs, lots of tapes where as lin dan hardly any, and LHI has fresh legs (and I forgot what BCL legs looks like). There are still good 5.5 months until the OG and any injury would reduce their chance of success at the OG alot. I think mew choo wong is another hard working player and what condition they will be in come august plays a big role in their quest of success. If LD got suspension penalty, this would help him to rest up and reduce risk of injury. Any time u r pushing at the red line, potential injury can not be ignored.

scenario....is this

Every country can have maximum 2 players from same country per event if they are in top 20 (if I'm not mistaken). Theoretically Malaysia can win 4 gold medals....but realistically only one will be excellent.

Men's Singles:
1) LCW..........at least semifinal.....good for gold.
2) Wong Choong Hann......probably draw Lin Dan in 1st round :(. 1st rd casualty

Men's Doubles:
1) Koo & Tan.......probably advance to quaterfinals and beyond
2) Choong & Lee or Zakry & Fairuzizuan........2nd round casualty

Women's Singles:
1) WMC...........will be lucky to reach quarterfinals

Women's Doubles:
1)Wong Pei Tty & Chin Eei Hui...........forget it..... 1st rd casualty.

MX Doubles:
N/A

scenario....is this

Every country can have maximum 2 players from same country per event if they are in top 20 (if I'm not mistaken). Theorectically Malaysia can win 4 gold medals....but realistically only one will be excellent.


i thot it was 3 max.

3 max if all the players are in the top 4. 2 if the player in top 16. i think. :)

i thot it was 3 max.

I think for host China or NOC(?)..can have 3 but for the rest it's 2 if in top 16(?)

Too lazy to read the entire rules...:o

But the rules also require at least one player from every continent.

Hence Africa, South America and North America will provide canon fodder for Powerhouses Asia and Europe. :o sorry about that...cannot resist to urge to comment.

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/115_olympic_games.pdf

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/beijing.html

Malaysia will win two !
Care to explain how?
..our BC's Satay Handout Machine (as jug8man calls our X Ball) to offer the satay bet..:rolleyes: :p;)

Agree, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE :)
Sure, the malaysian CAN win a gold in olimpic, or even TWO.


CHN might sweep all the 5 medals, or might be only ONE (I cant imagine CHN will get nothing).

DOn't suprise tat GOLD MEDAL for Malaysia in OG'08 is FROM WOMEN SINGLE - WONG MEW CHOO :p

Malaysia will win two !

1) It depends on which opponents in the earlier rounds.

2) And also if they have not peaked their performance too early before the Olympics.

Of the players, Lee Chong Wei have what it takes to win it all, since he has beaten all the top China players very recently. He even reached the Finals on 2 occasions in China Open and Hong Kong Open 2007 in foreign homeground.

I don't know about TBH/KKK's chances...they are in a slide at the moment. But being not top seeds...may increased their hunger.

WMC's chances are ok....since she won in China before.

in winter olympics maybe:D:D:D

..our BC's Satay Handout Machine (as jug8man calls our X Ball) to offer the satay bet..:rolleyes: :p;)

I think he withdrew the name soon as he found out I won more than anyone thought.:rolleyes::p;)

However, I can accommodate you on the bet if you think it is wise.:D

in winter olympics maybe:D:D:D

No offence...Beijing is in the midst of Winter.....maybe can have early olympics..:) preliminary round.

3 max if all the players are in the top 4. 2 if the player in top 16. i think. :)

Azabaz is correct, this has already been been covered by the many, many threads about OG, he he.

scenario....is this

Every country can have maximum 2 players from same country per event if they are in top 20 (if I'm not mistaken). Theoretically Malaysia can win 4 gold medals....but realistically only one will be excellent.


MX Doubles:
N/A

XD :
Could be one participant from Msia Junior XD if they qualify : Wee Kiong/Woon or Lim Khim Wah/Ng Hui Lin.

Top man ! Even picked on my english.

Didnt mean to rain on your parade.

Yeah, a discussion which is not going anywhere coz you just want people to listen to your views. Why should I elaborate ?

Going nowhere? Making assumptions now,eh? Dude, you asked me a question about BAM molly cuddling Hafiz. I answered. And when I asked you where and how you based your prediction on how Msia gonna win two gold medals ... the discussion suddenly 'is not going anywhere', eh?


Does it mean they will never. Yeah, how about the AE and the IO -- why don't you say that -- is that not symbol of success. ?

Dude, if you wanna flash your 'symbol of success', I think it is simple common sense to only flash it after you have obtained success, not before.

In badminton, the Olympic gold and WC are the ultimate titles to win. AE & IO are level 2 tournaments. Pretty self explanatory, dude.

That is funny, do we just kick people out the moment they do not perform. Hafiz was given a chance-BAM wanted to ensure fairness and not be blamed later that they have not given everybody a fair go.

Err.. Hafiz's last success was back in 2003 AE. Thats 5 years ago, dude.

Yeah but that is because the program worked for her -- she is a champ. Hafiz as I explained is not a champ but BAM gave him a fair chance. What is the argument here ? If your argument is that BAM should not give him that, I think BAM is not saying any different. They have not provided Hafiz with anything else apart from the miserly RM 2000 (and that has stopped due to his performance).

The program worked for Nicol David because she put in the hard work and had her feet on the ground firmly. The titles did not fall from the sky for Nicol. Lets be clear on this.

As for Hafiz and the 'miserly' RM2000 BAM is paying him monthly, you need to understand the life of a pro sportsmen like Hafiz. How much a pro shuttler earn depends on the titles won. They more they win, they more they gain in terms of prize winnings, sponsorships and incentives from the government etc. In Hafiz's case, since he won pretty much nothing after his AE win except for some small tournaments, naturally his take home pay is much lesser compare to say LD/TH.

Hafiz should be thankful that he still got that 'miserly' RM2000 monthly.


This should pretty much clear things up.

..our BC's Satay Handout Machine (as jug8man calls our X Ball) to offer the satay bet..:rolleyes: :p;)

I will be more than happy to take that 2 gold medals bet anytime, anyday.

I say the only medal Msia will win in Beijing is a good tour package of the Great Wall.

I am still waiting for Xball to explain where and how Msia two gold medals in badminton gonna come from. ;)

I will be more than happy to take that 2 gold medals bet anytime, anyday.

I say the only medal Msia will win in Beijing is a good tour package of the Great Wall.

I am still waiting for Xball to explain where and how Msia two gold medals in badminton gonna come from. ;)

At the food market, where they sell satay AND gold medals:D

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=788895&postcount=669

I will be more than happy to take that 2 gold medals bet anytime, anyday.

I say the only medal Msia will win in Beijing is a good tour package of the Great Wall.
Question:

Which do(would?) you choose?

- two gold medals for Malaysia, or
- to be 'proven right' that Malaysia cannot win any gold medals

Please explain your choice above.

In my opinion, to win a gold is quite possible but unlikely based on our past history. If you look at our past history, we had very capable players to achieve that goal and yet failed from the prime of Sidek brothers, Cheah/Yap to Wong Choon Hann. If those missess were due to mental problem then we will come home without gold again as this issue remains unsolved. Chong Wei is getting more mature but he's still yet to proof he can withstand high pressure in big event like Olympic and World Championship. If Chong Wei can win the coming All England then I think he will be ready for the big test. As for Koo/Tan, they key is Tan, we don't know which Tan will show up, they are only dangerous when they get deeper into round ... Either Choon Hann or Hafiz still will be helpful to Chong Wei to clear some of the obstacle along the way.
Of course, the other possibility is I am wrong which I am more than happy to confess after the win :-)

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Question:

Which do(would?) you choose?

- two gold medals for Malaysia, or
- to be 'proven right' that Malaysia cannot win any gold medals

Please explain your choice above.let me take a stab at it.
The choices picked depends on whether it comes from their heart(or gut) or comes from their brain. This statement kinda capture the essence of this whole thread as well.

Question:

Which do(would?) you choose?

- two gold medals for Malaysia, or
- to be 'proven right' that Malaysia cannot win any gold medals

Please explain your choice above.

I am realistic. And with that I say Msia will not be taking any gold medals in the Beijing Olympics for badminton.

LCW, our best bet in the men's singles, is one of the best out there. BUT his major weakness is his inability to perform in the big tournaments. And I think he will fall apart again in the early rounds.

KKK/TBH, well, they are no longer what they were when they first captured the AG & AE. They are distracted with the attention and have become prima donnas. Look at TBH, for example now, dyed hairdo and the ala Cantona collar up thingy. It is no wonder why Rexy is losing his hair over this pair. A waste actually.

The joker in the pack is actually Wong Mew Choo. With a little lady luck ... maybe, just maybe. But thats a long, long shot, I am afraid.

So, in reality, there are actually no alternatives. I will be proven right, I am afraid. Msia will end up having a good tour of the Great Wall and maybe Tianamen square as well.

In my opinion, to win a gold is quite possible but unlikely based on our past history. Chong Wei is getting more mature but he's still yet to proof he can withstand high pressure in big event like Olympic and World Championship. If Chong Wei can win the coming All England then I think he will be ready for the big test.

As for Koo/Tan, they key is Tan, we don't know which Tan will show up, they are only dangerous when they get deeper into round

LCW - spotlight has now shifted to LCW since KKK/TBH havent been doing well, i.e. pressure is back to him. LCW is coping better with the pressure, his 1st outing he was only 22. OG - from past records, better players have crumbled under pressure, the underdogs/dark horses rose up to win.

For TBH, true, it depends whether come Aug 2008 he has overcome his nervousness or as Pang calls it "fear of losing". Same goes for the oldies, esp CTF.

OG is still another 5.5 months, a lot of things can happen in 5.5 mths.

LCW - spotlight has now shifted to LCW since KKK/TBH havent been doing well, i.e. pressure is back to him. LCW is coping better with the pressure, his 1st outing he was only 22. OG - from past records, better players have crumbled under pressure, the underdogs/dark horses rose up to win.

For TBH, true, it depends whether come Aug 2008 he has overcome his nervousness or as Pang calls it "fear of losing". Same goes for the oldies, esp CTF.

OG is still another 5.5 months, a lot of things can happen in 5.5 mths.

I am not convinced about the LCW is coping better with pressure part. The coming AE will be a good test.

As for underdogs/dark horses winning the Olympic gold in the past, I beg to differ. Poul Erik Hoyer Larsen was no underdog as the man got 2 AE titles under his belt. Other winners like Taufik Hidayat or Alan Budi Kusuma were no darkhorses either.

Yes, a lot of things can or may not happen in 5.5 months.

while the oldies like misbun n jalani love pressure,things seems different for our new fresh players.time is changing.

honestly,did kkk is able to cope with pressure?maybe unfair if im the one who judge him.bias.

haii..even forgot to answer the thread main question...

boleh..

I am not convinced about the LCW is coping better with pressure part. The coming AE will be a good test.

As for underdogs/dark horses winning the Olympic gold in the past, I beg to differ. Poul Erik Hoyer Larsen was no underdog as the man got 2 AE titles under his belt. Other winners like Taufik Hidayat or Alan Budi Kusuma were no darkhorses either.



Depends whether it's according to seeding or titles won.
In 2004 OG, Lin Dan (No 1 seed) was the favourite to at least get into finals. He crashed out in 1st rd. Chen Hong(No 2, 2X AE champ) was the other favourite, lost to SSM in QF.
Taufik was not seeded, AG 2002 MS winner, had not won WC yet.
The silver medalist SSM was seeded 7th. Sony K won bronze, seeded 8th. Seeded players from no 1-6 bowed out by QF.
One surprise was no China MS in Semi F, Boonsak (also unseeded) got 4th place.

As for Poul Erik Larsen, based on media reports, the surprise was 1) an European country managed to break Asia's dominance, 2) Erik Larsen was already a veteran at 31, wasnt expected to outlast his opponent Dong Jiong (China) who was 23.
Sthing like many wouldnt expect PG(at 32 y.o., AE 1999 champ) or KJ(at 34 y.o) from Denmark to win gold in 2008 OG. I havent seen vids of Erik Larsen or Dong Jiong's matches, so cant say for sure.

In every OG, there was some surprise in one of the deptments(at least accoding to media reports).

Depends whether it's according to seeding or titles won.
In 2004 OG, Lin Dan (No 1 seed) was the favourite to at least get into finals. He crashed out in 1st rd. Chen Hong(No 2, 2X AE champ) was the other favourite, lost to SSM in QF.
Taufik was not seeded, AG 2002 MS winner, had not won WC yet.
The silver medalist SSM was seeded 7th. Sony K won bronze, seeded 8th. Seeded players from no 1-6 bowed out by QF.
One surprise was no China MS in Semi F, Boonsak (also unseeded) got 4th place.

As for Poul Erik Larsen, based on media reports, the surprise was 1) an European country managed to break Asia's dominance, 2) Erik Larsen was already a veteran at 31, wasnt expected to outlast his opponent Dong Jiong (China) who was 23.
Sthing like many wouldnt expect PG(at 32 y.o., AE 1999 champ) or KJ(at 34 y.o) from Denmark to win gold in 2008 OG. I havent seen vids of Erik Larsen or Dong Jiong's matches, so cant say for sure.

In every OG, there was some surprise in one of the deptments(at least accoding to media reports).

Lets see how LCW perform in the coming AE.

malaysia has a good chance. in men's doubles.

malaysia has a good chance. in men's doubles.
i must say..its kkk/tbh.thanks.

this thread will be continue no longer if the situation continues like this...
like what happen in other thread.i choose to stay out of this.

so,can we win the gold?i wasnt able to vote this 3rd march.so vote here ajelah..

we will.we will

Cannot. Absolutely cannot lah. I'm don't want to be dissapointed AGAIN. I'd rather be suprised :)

Malaysia CANNOT win gold. This is an inherent trait right from Day 1. Even if LCW and KKKTBH win AE or all tournaments leading up to it, they will still fail.

Cannot. Absolutely cannot lah. I'm don't want to be dissapointed AGAIN. I'd rather be suprised :)

Malaysia CANNOT win gold. This is an inherent trait right from Day 1. Even if LCW and KKKTBH win AE or all tournaments leading up to it, they will still fail.

I don't really believe in predictions. But on enjoying the games live. To feel the tension and pressure building up. And witnessing the players compete and chasing points.

Badminton is fun becoz any favourites can be upset by a darkhorse nobody...like what Ji Xinpeng did to the heavily favoured Peter Gade in 2000 or Ronald Susilo upsetting Lin Dan in 2004. Anything can happen....

I hope CCTV will broadcast all the games and not only the ones with Chinese players.

Yeah... i do hope so if im unable to attend the games.

i would like to think that astro will show the matches since they have not failed to do so yet so far.

Planning to hold a thanksgiving dinner if the squad fails, mate? :)

You banking on 'belief' and 'support' as the main ingredient in us taking that first gold, mate? ;)

You banking on 'belief' and 'support' as the main ingredient in us taking that first gold, mate? ;)I'm banking on unpredictability of variables upon variables. Won't be heartbroken if it doesn't happen but would be delighted if it does come to be.

Would be !@%#$2&* if they whimper out without a fight though.

I'm banking on unpredictability of variables upon variables. Won't be heartbroken if it doesn't happen but would be delighted if it does come to be.

Would be !@%#$2&* if they whimper out without a fight though.

Well, maybe LD may catch a flu, TH lost his way the stadium, BCL forgot his shorts etc.

Well, maybe LD may catch a flu, TH lost his way the stadium, BCL forgot his shorts etc.
All is fair, mate. Those are the variables involved and it would be won legally according to the rules of the game and tournament.

It'll influence all parties anyway - all is fair, although LD gets home advantage.

All is fair, mate. Those are the variables involved and it would be won legally according to the rules of the game and tournament.

It'll influence all parties anyway - all is fair, although LD gets home advantage.

Of course. of course within the rules of the game & tournament. And should we land our first gold because LD overslept on the day of the final, like you I will be standing proud with tears in my eyes when Negaraku is played.

3 cheers for Malaysia Boleh!

Of course. of course within the rules of the game & tournament. And should we land our first gold because LD overslept on the day of the final, like you I will be standing proud with tears in my eyes when Negaraku is played.

3 cheers for Malaysia Boleh!I'm sooo proud brother, I ammmm!!!! :crying:

I'm sooo proud brother, I ammmm!!!! :crying:

Malaysia certainly boleh.

Can? Sure.

Will? That's the question.

to have our very first gold medal,the hope will be surely directed to lcw or kkk/tbh.

their peak moment will be in beijing.thats our hope.what happen in the next AE or thomas cup..dont regard it as an indicator.they can lose the title.i dont care.

of course i want kkk to do the best in his every game,every matches,every sets even in every services.but that wont happen.will be unfair for all of our players.

lets just hope our stars peaked in beijing.before '08 olympic,lets just support.

Cannot. Absolutely cannot lah. I'm don't want to be dissapointed AGAIN. I'd rather be suprised :)

Malaysia CANNOT win gold. This is an inherent trait right from Day 1. Even if LCW and KKKTBH win AE or all tournaments leading up to it, they will still fail.
the way u support.i'll say its unique n extraordinary.

let the hope alive,vching.nothing is wrong with that.

my bet on gold medal is on Josiah Ng...Track Cycling....hahahahah:p:p:D:D

my bet on gold medal is on Josiah Ng...Track Cycling....hahahahah:p:p:D:D

Hafiz Hashim................The Sport is YoYo............:D:D:D:D:D:D noone can beat him at that, champ all the way.

my bet on gold medal is on Josiah Ng...Track Cycling....hahahahah:p:p:D:D

Smart George, :D. Maybe in his 4th OG, Kevin Lim can win it in sailing, he he.
Everybody's focusing on badminton, forgotten abt other sports.

Smart George, :D. Maybe in his 4th OG, Kevin Lim can win it in sailing, he he.
Everybody's focusing on badminton, forgotten abt other sports.

... or maybe we can just buy an Olympic gold medal off the rack.

... or maybe we can just buy an Olympic gold medal off the rack.

Msia althetes arent that bad, this Kevin guy qualified for his 4th OG using his own funds, no funding from government. He was the one I told you gave up the sport aft NSC cut his funding - or so he said last year.
Good thing he's a doctor, saved up 1 year for the qualifiying tourney & training sessions before that. Full time intensive training is a prob for him, need to earn a living.... hopefully NSC can fund him for his training stints these remaining mths.

Our para-olympics althetes have a chance too but that's in Sept. Stimes we focus too much on the 'core/major' sports, forgot the 'minor' sports.

Smart George, :D. Maybe in his 4th OG, Kevin Lim can win it in sailing, he he.
Everybody's focusing on badminton, forgotten abt other sports.
yelah..the title is quite open.why we focused to badminton??

so,im hoping for josiah ng.he did a huge mistakes in the last olympic n finished the 5th.hope he can do something bigger this year

josiah?? too many downs den up for him so far.. failin at da last moment... just like badminton.. typical mas atheletes..

josiah?? too many downs den up for him so far.. failin at da last moment... just like badminton.. typical mas atheletes..
he'll peak when a big tournament force upon him.

the last olympic,too many hope from malaysians.
RTM said something about their hope for josiah each day of their broadcasting reports from athens.

josiah?? too many downs den up for him so far.. failin at da last moment... just like badminton.. typical mas atheletes..

Spot on! Spot on!

he'll peak when a big tournament force upon him.

the last olympic,too many hope from malaysians.
RTM said something about their hope for josiah each day of their broadcasting reports from athens.

How la these Msian sportsmen/women??? Cannot take pressure etc etc. How to win the big titles la? :(

Conclusion: Malaysian players WOULD NEVER WIN the Gold Medal at the Olympics :D

Enough said.

Ok back on badminton -
u know what is the difference in the cauldron in Stadium Negara in 1992 compared with our teams sent to previous Thomas Cup tournaments?

Listen to me - All the key members of the team including players,officials,FANS, performed without fear and with a single minded approach to regain Thomas Cup.

n At 12.36 a.m. On MAy 17 1992,.We won Thomas Cup after 25 years.

Now,with Pemuda's mindset...will we win an olympic gold??

Conclusion: Malaysian players WOULD NEVER WIN the Gold Medal at the Olympics :D

Enough said.

LOL, LOL, any satay or nasi padang bets to go with that?

LOL, LOL, any satay or nasi padang bets to go with that?
Dear eaglehelang,

Anything can happen in OG this year. Let's pray that our dream to win the 1st gold medal will be achieved. If we don't trust in our players,who will trust them? Malaysia Boleh!

From:
Ayu

Dear eaglehelang,

Anything can happen in OG this year. Let's pray that our dream to win the 1st gold medal will be achieved. If we don't trust in our players,who will trust them? Malaysia Boleh!

From:
Ayu

Yes I know, Kak Ayu, I also said that bf- anything can happen in OG . Read the preceding 7 pgs of this thread, you'll know what I mean.

Yes I know, Kak Ayu, I also said that bf- anything can happen in OG . Read the preceding 7 pgs of this thread, you'll know what I mean.
Dear eaglehelang,

I believe that Malaysian are very good in supporting their players as I have seen it in my own eyes as I also involved in the Famemas Supporters Club.

From:
Ayu

Dear eaglehelang,

I believe that Malaysian are very good in supporting their players as I have seen it in my own eyes as I also involved in the Famemas Supporters Club.

From:
Ayuconfirmed;)
pic of audience at 2008 MAL. Open.

confirmed;)
pic of audience at 2008 MAL. Open.

Dear Cooler,

Thank you for attaching the pictures. I have a great time in Malaysia Open'08. I will definitely support Malaysia especially in badminton because it is my hope to see my beloved players win it for the 1st time in Malaysia history.

From:
Ayu

Dear Cooler,

Thank you for attaching the pictures. I have a great time in Malaysia Open'08. I will definitely support Malaysia especially in badminton because it is my hope to see my beloved players win it for the 1st time in Malaysia history.

From:
AyuNo problem.
If and when IOC one day decide to drop badminton from the olympic, we sure need u guys too to make noise to IOC.

Ok back on badminton -
u know what is the difference in the cauldron in Stadium Negara in 1992 compared with our teams sent to previous Thomas Cup tournaments?

Listen to me - All the key members of the team including players,officials,FANS, performed without fear and with a single minded approach to regain Thomas Cup.

n At 12.36 a.m. On MAy 17 1992,.We won Thomas Cup after 25 years.

Now,with Pemuda's mindset...will we win an olympic gold??

Yes, we last won the Thomas Cup in 92. What year is it now? And how may years it has been since we last won the TC?

Lastly, what happened to the 92 Thomas Cup squad after getting their big rewards?

Dear eaglehelang,

I believe that Malaysian are very good in supporting their players as I have seen it in my own eyes as I also involved in the Famemas Supporters Club.

From:
Ayu

Kak Ayu, you yourself not Malaysian, he he.:D Doesnt matter, tq for your continous support & cheers for Msian team.

Pemuda,u forgot to add the fact that we won the thomas cup.
We won.

What happen after that is one another thing.U want to confuse ppls here?

Noridayu.i dont know how to call u. kak or adik.

Forgot to appreciate ur support.Thank u.
say something to Pemuda.

A lot of things happened after 12:36 am May 17 1992.

1. MAS failed to win the title on my b'day 'cos the game extended beyond midnight. :p
2. And because of that, quite a number of us fans had to take a long walk home. :p
3. Players got huge rewards. :eek:
4. Politicians wanted credit for the victory. :(
5. As a result of 4, the then BAM President and some coaching staff eventually got booted out. :mad:
6. Players became disillusioned.
7. We failed to defend the title. :crying:
8. We have not won it since.
9. In fact we haven't won any major final except All-England MS 2003 and MD 2007.
10. Our last All-England MS winner is in a slump :eek:
11. Our last All-England MD winners are inconsistent :(
12. We can only hope our top MS and WS can give a glimmer of hope :)

Let Pemuda say his piece. Not that I agree totally with him, but there is some logic in his posts.

As long as this thread doesn't escalate into a war ..... that is.

Noridayu.i dont know how to call u. kak or adik.

.

Errrr, sis, I call her Kak Ayu cos she's married & older than me (I think)... so you call her...... he, he..:D

Ah, yes OG gold medal, too bad squash or bowling isnt OG sport, if not Nicol David would have won it.


Abedeng's point no 7, I'll like to see our Abedeng actually :crying:

Kak Ayu, you yourself not Malaysian, he he.:D Doesnt matter, tq for your continous support & cheers for Msian team.
Dear eaglehelang,

Although I am not Malaysian, badminton is my life and my passion. Malaysia is my beloved team since I was ten years old. Well done Malaysia for defeating Taiwan 5-0. Malaysia Boleh!

From:
Ayu

Noridayu.i dont know how to call u. kak or adik.

Forgot to appreciate ur support.Thank u.
say something to Pemuda.
Dear kkk-fan,

Thank you for acknowledge my supportment to Malaysia players. I think that you are the most happiest fans as KKK & TBH has revenge against the Taiwan pair. Hooray!Hooray!Malaysia win! Let's shout Malaysia Boleh.I am 30 years old.

From:
Ayu

Errrr, sis, I call her Kak Ayu cos she's married & older than me (I think)... so you call her...... he, he..:D

Ah, yes OG gold medal, too bad squash or bowling isnt OG sport, if not Nicol David would have won it.


Abedeng's point no 7, I'll like to see our Abedeng actually :crying:
Dear eaglehelang,

I am still single.

Thank You.

From:
Kak Ayu

Pemuda,u forgot to add the fact that we won the thomas cup.
We won.

What happen after that is one another thing.U want to confuse ppls here?
Dear kkk-fan,

I agreed with you that we won the Thomas Cup in 1992. Some of the facts are not true. In 1996, we won silver medals in MD in OG. We have achieved many victories in 1997-2007.Please do not give unvalid information.
Thank You.

From:
Ayu M'sian die-hard fan

Dear kkk-fan,

Thank you for acknowledge my supportment to Malaysia players. I think that you are the most happiest fans as KKK & TBH has revenge against the Taiwan pair. Hooray!Hooray!Malaysia win! Let's shout Malaysia Boleh.I am 30 years old.

From:
Ayu

Dear eaglehelang,

I am still single.

Thank You.

From:
Kak Ayu

Then I shouldnt call you Kak Ayu, he he. I thought you're >40, no offense, you always frame your replies in the letter writing style, which most ppl dont use anymore.
So you're in the singles gang like Azabaz & me...;)

Then I shouldnt call you Kak Ayu, he he. I thought you're >40, no offense, you always frame your replies in the letter writing style, which most ppl dont use anymore.
So you're in the singles gang like Azabaz & me...;)
like that ar, eaglehelang.,.,.,.:):p:p:D:D
when u wanna get married then:D:D:rolleyes::rolleyes::confused::confused::)

haha
off topic....!!:D:p

like that ar, eaglehelang.,.,.,.:):p:p:D:D
when u wanna get married then:D:D:rolleyes::rolleyes::confused::confused::)

haha
off topic....!!:D:p

Waiting for you to grow up George;);):p:p.
Nahhh, I'm married to my work....eagles fly here, fly there, where got time to think anything else..must earn living mah..

On OG gold, other than baddy, you hoping for Josiah to win sthing eh?

Waiting for you to grow up George;);):p:p.
Nahhh, I'm married to my work....eagles fly here, fly there, where got time to think anything else..must earn living mah..

On OG gold, other than baddy, you hoping for Josiah to win sthing eh?
btw, i already start work oready la...
no need to grow up..already an adults la..
hehe...
:rolleyes::):):p:p:D:D:cool::cool:

btw, i already start work oready la...
no need to grow up..already an adults la..
hehe...
:rolleyes::):):p:p:D:D:cool::cool:
Aiyo...All of you started to work and earn money already while i am still a student..I shall call you all kak and abang...:D:D:D

Aiyo...All of you started to work and earn money already while i am still a student..I shall call you all kak and abang...:D:D:D

btw, i already start work oready la...
no need to grow up..already an adults la..


Start work not necessarily adult yet. George might be younger than you Jessica. My 1st day at work was many moons ago...or easier to ask, you old enuf to vote, >21? Then only me consider you adult mah...:D:p

so, adik-adik, which sport shall we wager on winning the gold, silver or bronze this OG?

Start work not necessarily adult yet. George might be younger than you Jessica. My 1st day at work was many moons ago...or easier to ask, you old enuf to vote, >21? Then only me consider you adult mah...:D:p

so, adik-adik, which sport shall we wager on winning the gold, silver or bronze this OG?So kak eagle or helang jie jie...How old are you???:):rolleyes::D

haiya, eaglehelang...no nid to say la...:):)
im older than u la...seriously....dont ask me wat age..:rolleyes::rolleyes::p:p:D:)
haha:D

haiya, eaglehelang...no nid to say la...:):)
im older than u la...seriously....dont ask me wat age..:rolleyes::rolleyes::p:p:D:)
haha:D
I thought age only considered as a secret for women???:rolleyes::rolleyes:Anyway back to topic,i hope Josiah can win a medal this time.

So kak eagle or helang jie jie...How old are you???:):rolleyes::D

LOL, we're really carrying on here, take this up in my Intro thread.
Too old to compete for Msia in any sports (not that I'm any good), older than you & George for sure, younger than fastdrop or abedeng or Loh,old enuf not to call Noriayu kak, he he he. Figure it out yaself.

With the youngsters, hopefully sailing can win a medal this time. Cycling, not necessarily Josiah but his junior, that Malay guy quite good too.

Pemuda,u forgot to add the fact that we won the thomas cup.
We won.

What happen after that is one another thing.U want to confuse ppls here?

This thread is about the Olympic games. And in case you are confused, the Olympics and Thomas Cup are two different events.

" Yes we CAN! "

Malaysia Boleh :D

"Yes we CAN .... have a good gold package tour of the Great Wall of China"

Malaysia Boleh!

A lot of things happened after 12:36 am May 17 1992.

1. MAS failed to win the title on my b'day 'cos the game extended beyond midnight. :p
2. And because of that, quite a number of us fans had to take a long walk home. :p
3. Players got huge rewards. :eek:
4. Politicians wanted credit for the victory. :(
5. As a result of 4, the then BAM President and some coaching staff eventually got booted out. :mad:
6. Players became disillusioned.
7. We failed to defend the title. :crying:
8. We have not won it since.
9. In fact we haven't won any major final except All-England MS 2003 and MD 2007.
10. Our last All-England MS winner is in a slump :eek:
11. Our last All-England MD winners are inconsistent :(
12. We can only hope our top MS and WS can give a glimmer of hope :)

Let Pemuda say his piece. Not that I agree totally with him, but there is some logic in his posts.

As long as this thread doesn't escalate into a war ..... that is.
Now Pemuda got his mate.

The fact we won Thomas cup has never changed.How we worked to regain that cup is inexplicanle.we worked so hard.All of us work together.Cauldron in Stadium Negara was superb.
n i think if theres any forum created at that time,nobody will say anything about 'malaysia cant win' - we are all reunited after the dissapointment for 25 years.

Bam started its BAM-MALBORO projects in 1988.Started to produce world beaters from the juniors such as Rashid Sidek with the back-up by seniors.
one of them razif/jalani.N they are able to put Rashid as our first single.
*enlighten me if post wrong facts.

N yes.We are absolutely failed after the victory.hard to admit those stars are losers after '92 thomas cup.But We learned from mistakes.

Lets support our team in beijing this year.Like how our seniors did in '92.
Learned their 'wrongdoings' after the Thomas Cup.
Cheered Malaysia Boleh with a pride.

there are truths to what pemuda said and what abedeng said. some facts are facts. no use denying that. :) but i would like to think that any of the top 5 ranked players in the world have a chance to win it. whether they could get it right during the olympics is anybody's guess. i choose to be optimistic of their chances even if it is pretty low based on past performance.

there are truths to what pemuda said and what abedeng said. some facts are facts. no use denying that. :) but i would like to think that any of the top 5 ranked players in the world have a chance to win it. whether they could get it right during the olympics is anybody's guess. i choose to be optimistic of their chances even if it is pretty low based on past performance.
yeah.sometimes we have to admit what they said are the truth.
how should i denied all that??

JUst want to make sure hopes are alive in me.
they are breaking my heart.do u know that?

Dear kkk-fan,

I agreed with you that we won the Thomas Cup in 1992. Some of the facts are not true. In 1996, we won silver medals in MD in OG. We have achieved many victories in 1997-2007.Please do not give unvalid information.
Thank You.

From:
Ayu M'sian die-hard fan

can u mentioned some of them?
a prestigious title or just another ordinary title?

Conclusion: Malaysian players WOULD NEVER WIN the Gold Medal at the Olympics :D

Enough said.

never say never.
we still don't know what's happen in the future.
if they can't win in 08 OG, they can wait for another 4 yrs.
if they also failed in 2012 OG, and then pls wait for another 4 yrs.
if they failed again in 2016 OG, and yes wait again and again:D:D:D

"Yes we CAN .... have a good gold package tour of the Great Wall of China"

Malaysia Boleh!You're probably the only guy I know with a smug grin of satisfaction if when we don't.

Hmm...

never say never.
we still don't know what's happen in the future.
if they can't win in 08 OG, they can wait for another 4 yrs.
if they also failed in 2012 OG, and then pls wait for another 4 yrs.
if they failed again in 2016 OG, and yes wait again and again:D:D:D
That is called loyalty.
If u know what it means.

in sports winning matters,but most important is how aour athletes reacts for a setback.
n we are waiting for that.

You're probably the only guy I know with a smug grin of satisfaction if when we don't.

Hmm...
honestly wilfred,we need this kind of fan or supporter.

but for Pemuda,i want to see how long he'll stand by his words.
Winston and Pemuda have same thought.same attitude.The difference between them is Pemuda is ours n winston is not.

So as a Malaysian,i want to know.How long he'll have this mindset in him.

Tagging me as Pemuda's mate, or saying that we are breaking hearts would be stretching it too far, first of all his generation calls mine Uncle ......

If hearts are easily broken, there is no use supporting players. You'd be too easily disappointed. Supporters in the stadiums had a lot of heart, they don't get refunds for losses ..... :D You can go ask our cheerleader captain, how much he had spent over the decades before the Govt sponsorship.

What if I say that there was a time in the mid to late 70s that BAM was practically ignored, and if not for the rise of the Sidek brothers thru efforts of their beloved late father, we would probably still be thinking of the good old glory days. That's right, BAM had little to do with the first few world beaters we had after a long time. Most of the Sidek bros themselves actually prefer football to badminton.

Even then, coaching methods were not aligned with modern standards. Only with the arrival of Fang Kaixiang in 1988, fitness improved and we started to reduce gaps against China and Indonesia.

Can Koo/Tan or Choong/Lee win a gold medal? Not without consistency.

Can LCW win a gold medal? Not without guts and desire. Technically he's competent enough.

Can WMC win a medal? Any medal? Not without tough fights and possibility of injury.

Can most MAS supporters here reduce their expectations and accept bad results? The answer is up to each individual.

Sensible answers as always from our abedeng.

As much as the supporters crave for unanimous chorus of, errr, supporting words from everybody, it's a little bit naive to hate somebody holding a different perspective.

The supporters, it seems to me, are behind KKK because he's Malaysian, and flamboyant.

Pemuda has stated his stance is due to the inconsistency in the Men's Doubles performance in key events.

Is there not room for both?

Pemuda slags the supporters because of their indifference of the Malaysian's MD performance, the supporters slag Pemuda because of his indifference to KKK's (and TBH, to a certain degree) being Malaysian.

This may be putting words into Pemuda's mouth, but the extension of his position, is that he cares enough to actually want KKK/TBH to buck up and perform. Me too.

Extend a little and both the supporters and Pemuda, surprise, surprise, actually want KKK/TBH to succeed.

-dave

Pemuda slags the supporters because of their indifference of the Malaysian's MD performance, the supporters slag Pemuda because of his indifference to KKK's (and TBH, to a certain degree) being Malaysian.....




Read back the preceding pages from pg 1 & other threads, you will see the sarcasm & cynicism. There's certain meaning to comments like "buying gold medal off the rack".

Not so much as "indifference" to the players' performance but as already discussed many, many times, doesnt help to keep harping on it for months on end cos we ordinary fans cant do anything. If short, what end would it achieve in the actual scheme of things ? Nothing.

If Abedeng were to think that way for the past 15++ years, he may have totally given up supporting Msia in tournaments.
Would you or your country's fans comment in such a way all the time?

Msia players already receive loads & loads of criticism from every sector top down until non Msians comment why Msians are so critical(as compared to other countries).
And who are the ones who have to answer such queries - <sigh> the other Msia supporters.

As much as the supporters crave for unanimous chorus of, errr, supporting words from everybody, it's a little bit naive to hate somebody holding a different perspective.

The supporters, it seems to me, are behind KKK because he's Malaysian, and flamboyant.

Pemuda has stated his stance is due to the inconsistency in the Men's Doubles performance in key events.

Is there not room for both?

Pemuda slags the supporters because of their indifference of the Malaysian's MD performance, the supporters slag Pemuda because of his indifference to KKK's (and TBH, to a certain degree) being Malaysian.

This may be putting words into Pemuda's mouth, but the extension of his position, is that he cares enough to actually want KKK/TBH to buck up and perform. Me too.

Extend a little and both the supporters and Pemuda, surprise, surprise, actually want KKK/TBH to succeed.

-dave

The history of Malaysian badminton is not as it reads or protrayed by Pemuda. BAM (and Abedeng supports this view) has never been endowed with lots of money to pamper players. Corprorate sponsorships have been coming in but still lacks behind such sports as football.

Coporate sponsorships have come in because BAM has done a good job with the team to raise their profiles/rankings. If BAM has not actively pursue a good program, I don't think we would have uncovered LCW or won an AE with Hafiz.

To continue blasting BAM (for efforts they could not control or due to a learning process that they went through themselves) is a silly thing. Look at the woes of other badminton organisations -- they, too, are searching for answers.

No team or players have ever stayed at the optimum forever - there is injury and other factors to be considered in the performance of a team or players.

What Pemuda does very well is complaining like a disgrunted fan. He injects a bit of venom in his sarcasm without any consideration for anyone else who do no think like him. We do not simply hate a person if that person is just telling it right - I will defend what I see is correct.

As indifferent as the form of the doubles are, it only takes one chance to get it right with some slice of luck. Ask Hafiz Hashim - he wasn't the top dog when he won the AE title, no? The key is to perform when it matters.

Pemuda mate, you've made quite a name for yourself here for the wrong reasons. I don't have problems with you thinking that we can't win any gold medal at the Olympics but every reason to dislike the attitude of calling those who dare to dream and hope of a gold medal, idiots. Furthermore I find it most alarming that you seem to hope that it doesn't happen.

That is called loyalty.
If u know what it means.

in sports winning matters,but most important is how aour athletes reacts for a setback.
n we are waiting for that.

loyal for uncertainty future? :D

loyal for uncertainty future? :D

LOL, fans future are not ditated by althetics' performance. :D Loyalty to country, wouldnt you cheer for LD or other China players?
Msia have current World Champs in other sports, just those sports arent OG sports.

LOL, fans future are not ditated by althetics' performance. :D Loyalty to country, wouldnt you cheer for LD or other China players?
Msia have current World Champs in other sports, just those sports arent OG sports.

I see... I see...

Read back the preceding pages from pg 1 & other threads, you will see the sarcasm & cynicism. There's certain meaning to comments like "buying gold medal off the rack".

Not so much as "indifference" to the players' performance but as already discussed many, many times, doesnt help to keep harping on it for months on end cos we ordinary fans cant do anything. If short, what end would it achieve in the actual scheme of things ? Nothing.

If Abedeng were to think that way for the past 15++ years, he may have totally given up supporting Msia in tournaments.
Would you or your country's fans comment in such a way all the time?

Msia players already receive loads & loads of criticism from every sector top down until non Msians comment why Msians are so critical(as compared to other countries).
And who are the ones who have to answer such queries - <sigh> the other Msia supporters.

You say Malaysian players receive loads & loads of criticism from every sector top down. I think your comment is unrational, bordering on the emotional side. Look at Wong Mew Choo, Kwan Yoke Meng, Anita Raj, Wong Pei Tty, Foo Kok Keong, Wong Choon Hann & etc are they receiving a top down beating??

You need to get this thru your head; no one is beating up shuttlers who gave their all. Only those with a big time Charlie attitude and then get beaten is taken to task. Do you understand the difference now?

As much as the supporters crave for unanimous chorus of, errr, supporting words from everybody, it's a little bit naive to hate somebody holding a different perspective.

The supporters, it seems to me, are behind KKK because he's Malaysian, and flamboyant.

Pemuda has stated his stance is due to the inconsistency in the Men's Doubles performance in key events.

Is there not room for both?

Pemuda slags the supporters because of their indifference of the Malaysian's MD performance, the supporters slag Pemuda because of his indifference to KKK's (and TBH, to a certain degree) being Malaysian.

This may be putting words into Pemuda's mouth, but the extension of his position, is that he cares enough to actually want KKK/TBH to buck up and perform. Me too.

Extend a little and both the supporters and Pemuda, surprise, surprise, actually want KKK/TBH to succeed.

-dave

I have no problems with our shuttlers losing out there. I accept in sports there is only one winner. But I have a problem when our shuttlers walk about with inflated egos which in the end affect their performance. I admire Wong Mew Choo for her fighting qualities and her dedication to the game. I also admire guys like Foo Kok Keong and Wong Choon Hann because of their determination. These shuttlers are no legends of the game.

I am going to say things as they are, straight up. And if those Malaysian Boleh fans in here cannot take it, I cant help it if they are living in a glass house.

Yesterday's KKK/TBH defeat is another good example. In my mind now, I have questions like how are KKK/TBH gonna defend that AE title if they cant even get past the Korean pair yesterday?? Of course, those Malaysian Boleh hordes will jump in with their ever wishful thinking and ready made excuses. Maybe the court was uneven yesterday or KKK/TBH is still learning the game or whatever.

They will say that BAM has never been endowed with lots of money etc etc. I will say this, if making shuttlers overnight millionaires is 'never been endowed with lots of money', then I rest my case.

The game here is well supported and funded by the government. Our government pumped in more money into the game than the government of say Denmark, USA, or England. But do we have a WC or an Olympic gold to show for it todate??? Denmark, USA and England have all previously won either the WC/OG or both. Why is Malaysia still having a zero then?

And for this Xball chap, well, I will say this; he will engage you in a discussion with some questions and when you throw him some back, he will resort to petty insults when he is unable to answer. It is difficult to engage further when the other party goes on a rant.

Living in false pretense, thats the reality here in Malaysia.

As indifferent as the form of the doubles are, it only takes one chance to get it right with some slice of luck. Ask Hafiz Hashim - he wasn't the top dog when he won the AE title, no? The key is to perform when it matters.

Pemuda mate, you've made quite a name for yourself here for the wrong reasons. I don't have problems with you thinking that we can't win any gold medal at the Olympics but every reason to dislike the attitude of calling those who dare to dream and hope of a gold medal, idiots. Furthermore I find it most alarming that you seem to hope that it doesn't happen.

Dude, you need more than just day dreaming and fans screaming here and there in order to win that Olympic gold. You need to have a solid top down programme with the right people stewarding it.

And mate, I am here to say things as I see it. And if that rub some people here the wrong way, I cant help it if they are not big enough to accept the facts.

I have no problems with our shuttlers losing out there. I accept in sports there is only one winner. But I have a problem when our shuttlers walk about with inflated egos which in the end affect their performance. I admire Wong Mew Choo for her fighting qualities and her dedication to the game. I also admire guys like Foo Kok Keong and Wong Choon Hann because of their determination. These shuttlers are no legends of the game.

I am going to say things as they are, straight up. And if those Malaysian Boleh fans in here cannot take it, I cant help it if they are living in a glass house.

Yesterday's KKK/TBH defeat is another good example. In my mind now, I have questions like how are KKK/TBH gonna defend that AE title if they cant even get past the Korean pair yesterday?? Of course, those Malaysian Boleh hordes will jump in with their ever wishful thinking and ready made excuses. Maybe the court was uneven yesterday or KKK/TBH is still learning the game or whatever.

They will say that BAM has never been endowed with lots of money etc etc. I will say this, if making shuttlers overnight millionaires is 'never been endowed with lots of money', then I rest my case.

The game here is well supported and funded by the government. Our government pumped in more money into the game than the government of say Denmark, USA, or England. But do we have a WC or an Olympic gold to show for it todate??? Denmark, USA and England have all previously won either the WC/OG or both. Why is Malaysia still having a zero then?

And for this Xball chap, well, I will say this; he will engage you in a discussion with some questions and when you throw him some back, he will resort to petty insults when he is unable to answer. It is difficult to engage further when the other party goes on a rant.

Living in false pretense, thats the reality here in Malaysia.

Unable to answer or do not think it is worthwhile answering you - you can't make out the difference as always.You seem to think we owe you something.

As always your ego is so big, you need to knock everything that does not agree with you. When will you learn nobody is perfect and stop making like BAM has made everyone a millionaire (only LCW is getting paid his worth and don't telll me he has not earned it). You are trying to equate a lack of performance to someone wearing rings, chains, etc. without paying due respect to the fact that those people have put in a lot of effort and it is not easy to win against players who are also becoming good.

No, you will continue to blast them if they lose and subject them to critics that you come up freely with -- you are as disgusting as it comes. And you expect me to have a proper dialogue with you - grow up !

You say Malaysian players receive loads & loads of criticism from every sector top down. I think your comment is unrational, bordering on the emotional side. Look at Wong Mew Choo, Kwan Yoke Meng, Anita Raj, Wong Pei Tty, Foo Kok Keong, Wong Choon Hann & etc are they receiving a top down beating??

You need to get this thru your head; no one is beating up shuttlers who gave their all. Only those with a big time Charlie attitude and then get beaten is taken to task. Do you understand the difference now?

Remember, I scan thru the media reports almost daily... it might not be featured in one newspaper, but in another. Whether you believe that or not, up to you-lah, doesnt matter much in the actual scheme of things.

And it's in comparision to other countries players, by their media, in which we have already debated.

For the old greats, the news reports arent much available anymore - so I cant say about Kwan YM & Foo Kok Keong.

In brief, the seniors get more, the juniors less. Our women players get less criticism - less expectations but there are criticism.

Anita Raj - yes she has gotten the criticism, off & on, when ever she is featured, hasnt improved much. She gets the most criticism among the female back-up players. Rashid Sidek wasnt happy with her performance. As for fans - some feel she shouldnt be in the back-up squad at all.

Tan Chun Seang too when he crash out early round. And the men's back-up squad (SEA Games 2007). Rashid Sidek has high hopes for TCS

Wong Choon Hann - oh yes there's criticism, wihout a doubt, from the many years he has represented Msia, WCH gets it if he didnt play well, he was Msia no 1 MS, latest is 2008 TC qualifiers.

WMC - yup she did, it's progressively more after she won CO 2007. And thanks to Wong Tat Meng supportive statements, it's reduced

WPT - less for her, more on CEH's injury, so it's "our no 1 WD lost due to injury prone CEH" or that "bergu wanita kita tidak menunjukkan prestasi yang baik dalam .... CEH dibelunggi kecederaan, apakah ada harapan utk bergu ini"

Of course Kuan Beng Hong gets a lot of pot shots too.
And of course the whole senior MD team, only exception perhaps stratch pair Hoon/Wee Kiong.

Arif & Lydia Cheah just promoted to back-up. Lydia's already getting a bit from losing easily to Spore 3rd WS.

And mate, I am here to say things as I see it. And if that rub some people here the wrong way, I cant help it if they are not big enough to accept the facts.Those are not 'facts', mate - they have yet to be proven correct.

All signs (assuming I play along with you) point towards failure in getting the golds - failure in the AE for example - I agree. I don't agree however that it's dead cert.

You'll find that most people would allow for the possibility of it happening rather than expecting it to happen - otherwise Istanbul 2005 would have been impossible.

Those are not 'facts', mate - they have yet to be proven correct.

All signs (assuming I play along with you) point towards failure in getting the golds - failure in the AE for example - I agree. I don't agree however that it's dead cert.

You'll find that most people would allow for the possibility of it happening rather than expecting it to happen - otherwise Istanbul 2005 would have been impossible.

And it's easier to predict gloom & doom, if there's failure just say "See, I told you, they failed." It's harder to have the faith to keep on believing that one will succeed, even when the state of things look bleak. The one who stood by & after many repeated failures finally sees success, that's true grit.

If not, our 'uncles' Abedeng and Sonny Mak wont still be supporting Msia team these many years. Or why non Msians like Noridayu is more enthutisiatic than Msians in supporting Msia team.

Discerning readers will still find Pemuda's rational more compelling because of actual milestones achieved: easy to test/measure milestones, and the repeatability of attaining those milestones.

For example, can anyone dispute Lin Dan's superiority? Federer's in tennis? Despite their setbacks here and there?

No, I see directed attacks against Pemuda as failure to engage head-to-head on one of the core factors (and there are many contributing ones) of the state of Malaysian Badminton.

There are examples of how the Chinese tabletennis association dealt with over-egotistical stars even if, or despite of, actually delivering "the goods."

-dave

Discerning readers will still find Pemuda's rational more compelling because of actual milestones achieved: easy to test/measure milestones, and the repeatability of attaining those milestones.

For example, can anyone dispute Lin Dan's superiority? Federer's in tennis? Despite their setbacks here and there?

No, I see directed attacks against Pemuda as failure to engage head-to-head on one of the core factors (and there are many contributing ones) of the state of Malaysian Badminton.

There are examples of how the Chinese tabletennis association dealt with over-egotistical stars even if, or despite of, actually delivering "the goods."

-dave

Please ! No one is discerning enough to understand his rationales of attacking players who would have put in the extra effort to try to win -- Federer still lose in conspicuous style sometimes. LD had lost several times, not just once. They do not get hammered and here we have Pemuda blasting away even when we win. There are no egoistical stars in the Malaysian camp coz no one has achieved enough glamour to justify that - just some normal teenages who are growing up.

You mentioned our direct attacks on Pemuda whilst you must think it is ok for him to cast aspersion on players and BAM. C'mon Dave.

haiz no point of arguing here...its depends on what u believe and trust..if someone hate something it is hard to change his/her attitude no matter what you say...there are always people who are not satisfied and tried to find fault of others rather then to appreciate what we got...its reminds me of this word...
Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.
For me i always believe that malaysian can win the first gold medal in olympic..i will always support my country no matter what coz i love this country so much..hehe :)
so malaysia jia you in OG08!!;);)
Malaysia pasti boleh!~!!!

We really should start learning to respect each others views, even among fellow MAS forummers, there is war ...... :eek: Even live MAS and INA supporters at Istora or Stadium Negara were respectful to each other.

Pemuda's language have struck some nerves. I happen to follow the same observations on most counts, and know a lot more than what was mentioned. Maybe as a younger man, Pemuda would rather be forthright. His criticism of the current setup, is not wrong. His choice of words and participation in this forum, actually betray passion for the game.

At the same time, supporting your players is also about having the courage to believe in their abilities, about instilling the same belief to them so that they manage to reach the pinnacle of achievements. Never mind if they have let you down before. It is not about outright rejection of talent unfulfilled. That's why you see certain tough old men lugging heavy camera equipment, and certain not so old sick men circling half the globe to an arena nearby ..... :D

In the same vein, it is also about the willingness to question, remind and suggest improvements (not bashing), to what some would feel, is a well-run organization. That, the BAM is not, and has not been for the past 15 years.

No, I see directed attacks against Pemuda as failure to engage head-to-head on one of the core factors (and there are many contributing ones) of the state of Malaysian Badminton.

There are examples of how the Chinese tabletennis association dealt with over-egotistical stars even if, or despite of, actually delivering "the goods."

-dave
Wood_22_Chuck:
LOL, did you read his statements in reply in the many threads, bordering on personal attacks(even when we reply in a civil manner), which has happened many times, to quite a number of forum members, Msian & non-Msian.

That's what pisses some ppl off - this is Asian culture, if I make such statements to another person in real life, I can be sued or beaten up (even if I'm a gal). Maybe you havent read some of the other threads.

Cant imagine our TBH, LCW (or KKK or any of the players for that matter)being "over-egotistical", LOL. Losing confidence fast, yes that happens on a regular basis.

The state of Msian badminton we already know, the contributing factors too,we also know, and know for many years (also already been discussed in many other threads).
As some of us already stated many times : Talking about it in a forum does Not change a thing in real life, the decison makers will do what they like anyway.
Taking real action, that's the thing -Vching started a petition about the Korea Open 2008 incident, wrote a letter to the press.

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And 'uncle' Abedeng, you're being nice, it's the 'personal attacks' that I dont like. In real life in Msia, even on the phone, I would never ever talk the way Pemuda does, that's a direct invitation to get beaten up. There are ppl who have been killed by hired killers, just for some grudge.

We really should start learning to respect each others views, even among fellow MAS forummers, there is war ...... :eek: Even live MAS and INA supporters at Istora or Stadium Negara were respectful to each other.

Pemuda's language have struck some nerves. I happen to follow the same observations on most counts, and know a lot more than what was mentioned. Maybe as a younger man, Pemuda would rather be forthright. His criticism of the current setup, is not wrong. His choice of words and participation in this forum, actually betray passion for the game.

At the same time, supporting your players is also about having the courage to believe in their abilities, about instilling the same belief to them so that they manage to reach the pinnacle of achievements. Never mind if they have let you down before. It is not about outright rejection of talent unfulfilled. That's why you see certain tough old men lugging heavy camera equipment, and certain not so old sick men circling half the globe to an arena nearby ..... :D

In the same vein, it is also about the willingness to question, remind and suggest improvements (not bashing), to what some would feel, is a well-run organization. That, the BAM is not, and has not been for the past 15 years.
:D:D Are you trying to include me in your WAR???:D:D

:D:D Are you trying to include me in your WAR???:D:D

Poor Hau-Ge...being "embroiled" in the "war"...haha :D:o

Poor Hau-Ge...being "embroiled" in the "war"...haha :D:o
I know.....:D he needs a side kick...:D:D

There are no egoistical stars in the Malaysian camp coz no one has achieved enough glamour to justify that - just some normal teenages who are growing up.

I would agree with X-Ball here. Pemuda keeps on reiterating the "big-time Charlie" stuff and from his posts, you will know which player he thinks have that kind of "big-time Charlie" attitude.

However, as ants has repeatedly mentioned,THAT IS NOT EVEN THE CASE:cool: And, I would say that ants is one of the BC member who probably knows the insides of MAS team well enough to make that statement.

Yesterday's KKK/TBH defeat is another good example. In my mind now, I have questions like how are KKK/TBH gonna defend that AE title if they cant even get past the Korean pair yesterday?? Of course, those Malaysian Boleh hordes will jump in with their ever wishful thinking and ready made excuses. Maybe the court was uneven yesterday or KKK/TBH is still learning the game or whatever.


As far as I see it, even though the loss was a little bit shocking, considering that Jung/Lee have not been paired up for so long, I don't think either Koo Kien Keat or Tan Boon Heong DID NOT GIVE THEIR ALL:cool: It's the nerves and the attitude of "afraid of losing" that affected Tan Boon Heong to a greater extent than Koo Kien Keat.

I would attribute this to the learning curve every top player goes through (being a youngster, having tasted success early in his life, and now suddenly beaten left, right and centre). Even Lin Dan himself suffered from nervousness and the "afraid of losing" thingy. He admitted those were the factors that contributed to him losing the World Championships 2005 and Asian Games 2006 Individual Event Finals, both to Taufik Hidayat :o Don't tell me Lin Dan lost both games because he was over-confident (since he had repeatedly beaten Taufik, esp prior to the AE Individual Event Final)?

As much as the supporters crave for unanimous chorus of, errr, supporting words from everybody, it's a little bit naive to hate somebody holding a different perspective.

The supporters, it seems to me, are behind KKK because he's Malaysian, and flamboyant.

Pemuda has stated his stance is due to the inconsistency in the Men's Doubles performance in key events.

Is there not room for both?

Pemuda slags the supporters because of their indifference of the Malaysian's MD performance, the supporters slag Pemuda because of his indifference to KKK's (and TBH, to a certain degree) being Malaysian.

This may be putting words into Pemuda's mouth, but the extension of his position, is that he cares enough to actually want KKK/TBH to buck up and perform. Me too.

Extend a little and both the supporters and Pemuda, surprise, surprise, actually want KKK/TBH to succeed.

-dave
We are not hating each other by this time.i dont think X ball hate pemuda.
or koo_fan hate pemuda.
this just not happen.
The issue here is about how Pemuda bash Malaysia in a public forum.
He enlighten 'Malaysia is a loser in olympic' but fail to englighten 'Malaysia did win in Asia Games'.He failed to appreciate that.

WAnted kkk/tbh to perform in olympic is a dream of every malaysians.no doubt.
im sure every malaysians did have that dream.
But how we support them is a question.ITs fine to criticize but dont break their heart.
ok to call me naive bcoz im easily have a broken heart to somehing petty.
i dont care.But im sure,all of us are matured enough to understand that we need those who support us in our crucial time.kkk/tbh need full support now.
Criticize then support.so difficult?

Something was wrong with kkk/tbh.
They cant read each other.I think thats awful.
If this is our first double to be sent to Beijing,should be a problem.need to improve their teamwork.
KKk can play single sometimes but he need to put in his mind that he is actually played DOUBLES
TbH need to learn to be cool on court.its been a year n a half but its still a problem.

Its 5 months left in Countdown To Beijing,n with the time left upon us,please improve.
Im still ur num 1 fan,kkk but do something sweetheart.
Beijing is a dream,lets make it as reality.

...Even Lin Dan himself suffered from nervousness and the "afraid of losing" thingy. He admitted those were the factors that contributed to him losing the World Championships 2005 and Asian Games 2006 Individual Event Finals, both to Taufik Hidayat :o
...
..speaking specifically for his 2005 WC's Final match, maybe there's a little bit of nervousness and "afraid of losing" mindset. But from what i observed and saw, it was more of him being physically fatigue, in comparison to Taufik, which eventually led to his straight sets lost (his SF match went 3 tough sets). At the very least, if LD had enough energy, we/I certainly didn't see it.
For the 2006 AG MS Final, that's a whole different story as i thought Taufik upped his game while LD had enough energy.

As far as I see it, even though the loss was a little bit shocking, considering that Jung/Lee have not been paired up for so long, I don't think either Koo Kien Keat or Tan Boon Heong DID NOT GIVE THEIR ALL:cool: It's the nerves and the attitude of "afraid of losing" that affected Tan Boon Heong to a greater extent than Koo Kien Keat.

I would attribute this to the learning curve every top player goes through (being a youngster, having tasted success early in his life, and now suddenly beaten left, right and centre). Even Lin Dan himself suffered from nervousness and the "afraid of losing" thingy. He admitted those were the factors that contributed to him losing the World Championships 2005 and Asian Games 2006 Individual Event Finals, both to Taufik Hidayat :o Don't tell me Lin Dan lost both games because he was over-confident (since he had repeatedly beaten Taufik, esp prior to the AE Individual Event Final)?

I agree with your observation. TBH is still easily affected - it's the nerves and then the "afraid of losing" that sets in. You cannot cure that until he gets enough experience to overcome it. Part of life, whether it is in badminton or not.

Unable to answer or do not think it is worthwhile answering you - you can't make out the difference as always.You seem to think we owe you something.

As always your ego is so big, you need to knock everything that does not agree with you. When will you learn nobody is perfect and stop making like BAM has made everyone a millionaire (only LCW is getting paid his worth and don't telll me he has not earned it). You are trying to equate a lack of performance to someone wearing rings, chains, etc. without paying due respect to the fact that those people have put in a lot of effort and it is not easy to win against players who are also becoming good.

No, you will continue to blast them if they lose and subject them to critics that you come up freely with -- you are as disgusting as it comes. And you expect me to have a proper dialogue with you - grow up !

Let me get this straight. In our discussion earlier, you said Malaysia will win two golds in badminton in Beijing. I then asked you how. Instead of replying, you are now saying you think it is not worthwhile to answer me??:o Well, .... ok, no probs, man. ;)

Me having a big ego??? Disgusting??? Hmmm ... well, I shall refrain from petty insults. Thank you very much.

Thank you for enlightening me, sir.
Now move along and have a nice day.

Those are not 'facts', mate - they have yet to be proven correct.

All signs (assuming I play along with you) point towards failure in getting the golds - failure in the AE for example - I agree. I don't agree however that it's dead cert.

You'll find that most people would allow for the possibility of it happening rather than expecting it to happen - otherwise Istanbul 2005 would have been impossible.


Yet to be proven correct??? Dude, writing is already on the wall. Look at KKK/TBH, they even lost to some makeshift Korean pair.

Please la , dont compare Istanbul 2005 with our shuttlers. The lads in Istanbul 2005 were fighters.

Remember, I scan thru the media reports almost daily... it might not be featured in one newspaper, but in another. Whether you believe that or not, up to you-lah, doesnt matter much in the actual scheme of things.

And it's in comparision to other countries players, by their media, in which we have already debated.

For the old greats, the news reports arent much available anymore - so I cant say about Kwan YM & Foo Kok Keong.

In brief, the seniors get more, the juniors less. Our women players get less criticism - less expectations but there are criticism.

Anita Raj - yes she has gotten the criticism, off & on, when ever she is featured, hasnt improved much. She gets the most criticism among the female back-up players. Rashid Sidek wasnt happy with her performance. As for fans - some feel she shouldnt be in the back-up squad at all.

Tan Chun Seang too when he crash out early round. And the men's back-up squad (SEA Games 2007). Rashid Sidek has high hopes for TCS

Wong Choon Hann - oh yes there's criticism, wihout a doubt, from the many years he has represented Msia, WCH gets it if he didnt play well, he was Msia no 1 MS, latest is 2008 TC qualifiers.

WMC - yup she did, it's progressively more after she won CO 2007. And thanks to Wong Tat Meng supportive statements, it's reduced

WPT - less for her, more on CEH's injury, so it's "our no 1 WD lost due to injury prone CEH" or that "bergu wanita kita tidak menunjukkan prestasi yang baik dalam .... CEH dibelunggi kecederaan, apakah ada harapan utk bergu ini"

Of course Kuan Beng Hong gets a lot of pot shots too.
And of course the whole senior MD team, only exception perhaps stratch pair Hoon/Wee Kiong.

Arif & Lydia Cheah just promoted to back-up. Lydia's already getting a bit from losing easily to Spore 3rd WS.

The point is we are still missing a WC title and an Olympic gold as compared to other countries as Denmark, USA, Japan, England who are considered a minor badminton playing country. For example, USA, badminton is like a non entity there. But the fact is they won a WC before. Malaysia, with big government funds and the game being very popular here, how???

You keep on harping on criticisms on the shuttlers. Well, thats life. If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen. There are always gonna be critics everywhere, like it or not.

And it's easier to predict gloom & doom, if there's failure just say "See, I told you, they failed." It's harder to have the faith to keep on believing that one will succeed, even when the state of things look bleak. The one who stood by & after many repeated failures finally sees success, that's true grit.

If not, our 'uncles' Abedeng and Sonny Mak wont still be supporting Msia team these many years. Or why non Msians like Noridayu is more enthutisiatic than Msians in supporting Msia team.

I am not predicting 'doom & gloom'. I am saying if our shuttlers are distracted with stuff off court, we are gonna be found out big time. Look at what happened to KKK/TBH when they got beaten by some last minute make shift South Korean pair?? I mean, how are they gonna retain the AE , let alone win the gold in Beijing when they cant even beat some patched up South Korean pair???

They do not get hammered and here we have Pemuda blasting away even when we win.

Not true. Please do not distort. I have said and I repeat again that when KKK/TBH first came on to the scene winning the AG and then the AE, I was impressed.

I am not predicting 'doom & gloom'. I am saying if our shuttlers are distracted with stuff off court, we are gonna be found out big time. Look at what happened to KKK/TBH when they got beaten by some last minute make shift South Korean pair?? I mean, how are they gonna retain the AE , let alone win the gold in Beijing when they cant even beat some patched up South Korean pair???

You make me laugh -- not predicting doom and gloom ? What about your insinuating statement that the only chance Malaysia has is buying a gold medal of the rack ? Does it say we have a chance ? And don't tell us you did not mean that. You could be the next best car sales person.

Not true. Please do not distort. I have said and I repeat again that when KKK/TBH first came on to the scene winning the AG and then the AE, I was impressed.

Don't double talk. If you were impressed, you would not have rubbished them - even bringing up a topic about rings, colored hair, etc. in which the aim is to see who could lend help in criticising KKK. We know you well enough.

You make me laugh -- not predicting doom and gloom ? What about your insinuating statement that the only chance Malaysia has is buying a gold medal of the rack ? Does it say we have a chance ? And don't tell us you did not mean that. You could be the next best car sales person.

We are not going to win that gold (or two golds as predicted by you) in Beijing with mickey mouse type of organization and setup we have. The only way possible to take a gold home is to buy it off the rack from some convenient store in the Olympic games village or something.

"Does it say we have a chance"? No at all, I am afraid. We are unable to beat some patched up Korean pair, how to even dream about that gold ... or let alone two golds?

"And dont tell us that you did not mean that"? We are not going to win a single (or two gold medals as predicted by you) in Beijing, period.

"You could be the next best car sales person" Ahhh ... the typical petty insults again.

Don't double talk. If you were impressed, you would not have rubbished them - even bringing up a topic about rings, colored hair, etc. in which the aim is to see who could lend help in criticising KKK. We know you well enough.

When they (KKK/TBH) first came onto the scene. Understand that rather than distorting facts.

We are not going to win that gold (or two golds as predicted by you) in Beijing with mickey mouse type of organization and setup we have. The only way possible to take a gold home is to buy it off the rack from some convenient store in the Olympic games village or something.

"Does it say we have a chance"? No at all, I am afraid. We are unable to beat some patched up Korean pair, how to even dream about that gold ... or let alone two golds?

"And dont tell us that you did not mean that"? We are not going to win a single (or two gold medals as predicted by you) in Beijing, period.

"You could be the next best car sales person" Ahhh ... the typical petty insults again.

And so, insulting them by comments such as buying gold medal of the rack is not petty ?

When they (KKK/TBH) first came onto the scene. Understand that rather than distorting facts.

So praised them when they are doing well and insult them when they are not. Is that it ?

As far as I see it, even though the loss was a little bit shocking, considering that Jung/Lee have not been paired up for so long, I don't think either Koo Kien Keat or Tan Boon Heong DID NOT GIVE THEIR ALL:cool: It's the nerves and the attitude of "afraid of losing" that affected Tan Boon Heong to a greater extent than Koo Kien Keat.

I would attribute this to the learning curve every top player goes through (being a youngster, having tasted success early in his life, and now suddenly beaten left, right and centre). Even Lin Dan himself suffered from nervousness and the "afraid of losing" thingy. He admitted those were the factors that contributed to him losing the World Championships 2005 and Asian Games 2006 Individual Event Finals, both to Taufik Hidayat :o Don't tell me Lin Dan lost both games because he was over-confident (since he had repeatedly beaten Taufik, esp prior to the AE Individual Event Final)?

TH is no pushover in men singles.

KKK/TBH lost to some makeshift Korean pair.

Ok, ok I will buy that learning curve and giving their best thingy and I hope we can see a better outing in the coming AE. ;)

And so, insulting them by comments such as buying gold medal of the rack is not petty ?

Am I in a discussion with BAM here??

I am engaging in a discussion here with you about the possibility of Msia winning a gold (two, according to you), not BAM. My reference about buying that gold is a figure of speech based on my stand that our mickey mouse setup wont win us no gold (or two) in Beijing. It was not a personal attack against you personally. Keyword; personally.

Understand?

So praised them when they are doing well and insult them when they are not. Is that it ?

No, dont try to distort again. Suggest you read my earlier postings.

But to make it easy for you, I will put a short summary for you as follows. When our shuttlers are distracted with the going ons off court or adopt a big time Charlie attitude, they are gonna be found out big time. I believe Rexy have been ranting about this a few times.

Am I in a discussion with BAM here??

I am engaging in a discussion here with you about the possibility of Msia winning a gold (two, according to you), not BAM. My reference about buying that gold is a figure of speech based on my stand that our mickey mouse setup wont win us no gold (or two) in Beijing. It was not a personal attack against you personally. Keyword; personally.

Understand?

You may be engaging me in a discussion about the possibility of M'sia getting gold but I am not, and you still don't get it.

I am telling you off for ridiculing people the way you do.

No, dont try to distort again. Suggest you read my earlier postings.

But to make it easy for you, I will put a short summary for you as follows. When our shuttlers are distracted with the going ons off court or adopt a big time Charlie attitude, they are gonna be found out big time. I believe Rexy have been ranting about this a few times.


Why don't you read the comments piled against you - are we all distorting and ganging up on you ? Work it out fella. You have touched the nerves of a lot of people who don't normally speak out like me.

As far as I see it, even though the loss was a little bit shocking, considering that Jung/Lee have not been paired up for so long, I don't think either Koo Kien Keat or Tan Boon Heong DID NOT GIVE THEIR ALL:cool: It's the nerves and the attitude of "afraid of losing" that affected Tan Boon Heong to a greater extent than Koo Kien Keat.

I would attribute this to the learning curve every top player goes through (being a youngster, having tasted success early in his life, and now suddenly beaten left, right and centre). Even Lin Dan himself suffered from nervousness and the "afraid of losing" thingy. He admitted those were the factors that contributed to him losing the World Championships 2005 and Asian Games 2006 Individual Event Finals, both to Taufik Hidayat :o Don't tell me Lin Dan lost both games because he was over-confident (since he had repeatedly beaten Taufik, esp prior to the AE Individual Event Final)?

stamina was the main factor for his loss in WC 05.
for AG 06, no reason. TH is a better player of that day.

The point is we are still missing a WC title and an Olympic gold as compared to other countries as Denmark, USA, Japan, England who are considered a minor badminton playing country. For example, USA, badminton is like a non entity there. But the fact is they won a WC before. Malaysia, with big government funds and the game being very popular here, how???

You keep on harping on criticisms on the shuttlers. Well, thats life. If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen. There are always gonna be critics everywhere, like it or not.

don't forget Sweden. 2 XD titles (1983 & 1993) already.:eek:

..I think a bet on these should cease all the banterings between X Ball and Pemuda...:rolleyes: :cool:

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You may be engaging me in a discussion about the possibility of M'sia getting gold but I am not, and you still don't get it.

I am telling you off for ridiculing people the way you do.

Then kindly refer back to your responses. If thats not engaging, I guess I will rest my case. ;)

You are telling me off?? By resorting to petty insults?? Great. Classy.
And I guess you are the self appointed gate-keeper here?

Why don't you read the comments piled against you - are we all distorting and ganging up on you ? Work it out fella. You have touched the nerves of a lot of people who don't normally speak out like me.

'Are we all distorting and ganging up on you'? :confused: There is no 'we' here. Only you. Please refer to post #212 & 217. It is pretty self explanatory.

You are right, not everybody resort to petty insults when they are unable to hold a discussion based on facts, only you.

I am done.

don't forget Sweden. 2 XD titles (1983 & 1993) already.:eek:

Careful there is one particular Malaysia Boleh chappie here who will throw all kinds of personal insults at you for exposing this fact.

But dont blame him because like all Malaysia Boleh hordes, they are building castles in the sky.

..I think a bet on these should cease all the banterings between X Ball and Pemuda...:rolleyes: :cool:

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Two gold medals??? :D

I would like buy some one free than bet with you - it is how low I consider you.

TH is no pushover in men singles.

KKK/TBH lost to some makeshift Korean pair.

Ok, ok I will buy that learning curve and giving their best thingy and I hope we can see a better outing in the coming AE. ;)

Errr....on the contrary, Jung Jae Sung/Lee Jae Jin are no pushovers either :o
They ranked among the top 5 pairs before Jung Jae Sung was eventually paired up with Lee Yong Dae and Lee Jae Jin with Hwang Ji Man.

We'll see...of course, as an INA-fan, I have a selfish thought which I wouldn't reveal here :rolleyes::D:p

stamina was the main factor for his loss in WC 05.
for AG 06, no reason. TH is a better player of that day.

OT: Read Lin Dan's own comments for his loss in AG 2006.
林丹自己在赛后承认心态问题影响了发挥：“我在比赛中太想拿冠军，反而失掉了比赛

Lin Dan admitted that it was his mental problem which affected his performance: I wanted that title badly, which was why I lost the match.

My point is: mental problem does affect many players (including top ones)

The point is we are still missing a WC title and an Olympic gold as compared to other countries as Denmark, USA, Japan, England who are considered a minor badminton playing country. For example, USA, badminton is like a non entity there. But the fact is they won a WC before. Malaysia, with big government funds and the game being very popular here, how???

You keep on harping on criticisms on the shuttlers. Well, thats life. If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen. There are always gonna be critics everywhere, like it or not.

Well... you keep on harping on your 1st paragraph above ;) and other issues, in which many already know, so you cannot get angry when other people 'harp'. Other people 'harp' you dont like, you keep on repeating/harping can(remember I said before 2X in the other thread you dont have to sharp about it) of course-lah, we 'harp' back. So, it's even.:)

I'm stating the facts of media reports, which are documented in black & white, which has been happening in Msian media scene for many years. In which other non-Msians (here & Offline) also have commented as to the critical nature of Msia's media & some say Msian fans - in which the non-Msians here already pointed out as such to you.


In which is also a reply to your post of "You need to get this thru your head; no one is beating up shuttlers who gave their all. Only those with a big time Charlie attitude and then get beaten is taken to task. Do you understand the difference now?"

I was just pointing out the facts in real life it is not so in the media reports over the years.
More recent example, is HK 2007 when LCW played with injured knee & lost to LD. When he commented about the bad line calls, he is said to be "whining, mentally weak". Was LCW condition in HK 2007 considered to be 'not giving his all'- no one is beating up shuttlers who gave their all??.
When knee injury was the reason given for his Semi F lost to BCL in Denmark Open, it was said to be giving excuses. It only slowed down when he won the next tourney - French Open.
Compare to how China media's treatment/ how they slant the story to LD Korea 2008 incident.
And since when LCW has "big time Charlie attitude"? He hasnt won the 4 major titles - AE, AG, OG, WC. Walks with head looking down to the ground most times.

It is to emphasize that in real life, it is not like what you often say fans "sabre playing" or the players "modly cuddled", or that all concerned "over the moon" with celebrations (that's what you said about SEA Games 2007); in recent times, no such thing, esp in men's department.

"Only those with a big time Charlie attitude and then get beaten is taken to task" ??? - no such thing, the back up players get it when they lose, the top players get it even more. Results is what counts to the powers-that-be, no matter how hard the players try, or give their all, if they did not achieve the objective set, that's it.
And those comments via media are documented as proof.

WCH said bf (since you admire WCH) when he was no 1 MS that when players win titles, the expectation is they must keep on delivering good results, failure to keep to that will be scrutinized, that's the situation in Msia.


And again the above are also facts, not assumptions or speculations, anyone can do a search & find the articles.

So, as long as you keep stating those paragraphs you posted or along those lines, I will keep pointing out that media did not state so.

stamina was the main factor for his loss in WC 05.
for AG 06, no reason. TH is a better player of that day.

OT: Read Lin Dan's own comments for his loss in AG 2006.
林丹自己在赛后承认心态问题影响了发挥：“我在比赛中太想拿冠军，反而失掉了比赛

Lin Dan admitted that it was his mental problem which affected his performance: I wanted that title badly, which was why I lost the match.

My point is: mental problem does affect many players (including top ones)

read again my post before u replies it!

'Are we all distorting and ganging up on you'? :confused: There is no 'we' here. Only you. Please refer to post #212 & 217. It is pretty self explanatory.

You are right, not everybody resort to petty insults when they are unable to hold a discussion based on facts, only you.

I am done.

'There is no we here'.
I guess that is why you are deaf (perhaps the right word is blind).

Yeah facts -- your facts, nobody else's. Petty insults ? What else do you expect for people like you - praises ? And holding a discussion with you ? Only you think this is holding a discussion with you -- nobody else does and how sad.

read again my post before u replies it!

LOL.....u said there was no reason for Lin Dan for losing in the AG 2006, Taufik was basically the better player.

Yet, Lin Dan himself admitted that there was a reason for his loss, which had to do with his mental attitude towards the match: wanting to win too much or in other words, afraid of losing to Taufik in a big match yet again (which would be a repeat of the WC 2005 Final defeat) --> at the end, he lost again to Taufik, much to the surprise of many ppl, including Indonesian fans :eek::cool:

BTW dude, this will also serve to underline the importance of Asian Games title to China players :o If not, Lin Dan wouldn't have that kinda "wanting to win too much" feeling.

I am not predicting 'doom & gloom'. I am saying if our shuttlers are distracted with stuff off court, we are gonna be found out big time. Look at what happened to KKK/TBH when they got beaten by some last minute make shift South Korean pair?? I mean, how are they gonna retain the AE , let alone win the gold in Beijing when they cant even beat some patched up South Korean pair???

In the 1st place,it was a reply to wilfred's post, has certain meaning, related to his earlier posts.

Distracted with stuff off court?? It's documented that TBH is the weak line of the combo due to:
1) Park Joo Bong atrributed KKK/TBH's loss in WC 2007 to TBH's nervousness. And you know very well which pair PJB is coaching. This was Sept 2007.

2) Lars/Jonas atrributed their win over KKK/TBH to TBH's 'nervousness" & targetted TBH in MO 2008. This was Jan 2008

3) Rexy said TBH wake up in the morning, already feel the pressure - this was after MO 2008 lost.

4) Assistant coach Pang said in Feb 2008 that now TBH has 'fear of losing". As a result, he plays safe, doesnt dare take risks like he used to. They are helping TBH to "regain his confidence". Pang also said TBH goes for extra training, on top of the usual one, he's very hardworking.

5) Reporters asked Rexy about no 4), Rexy said TBH has fear of making errors- "takut melakukan kesilapan, takut ini, takut itu, bila ada banyak ketakutan, mudah melakukan kesilapan." This was Feb 2008, before going for TC qualifiers.

Hence, Badmania's (as you know, he's Indonesia & an ardent Indonesia fan) post to you about TBH's nervousness.

6) Those who watched the game between KKK/TBH & LJJ/Jung (including myself) all said TBH is nervous. He was the only Msia player who did not smile during prize presentation, instead he looked sad/dissappointed/dejected. Maybe you watch the game again aft it's uploaded, see for yourself.

So, it is not becoming prima donna or sthing along those lines - which you have mentioned in one of the threads, refering to specifically to TBH's dyed hair & branded clothing.

LOL.....u said there was no reason for Lin Dan for losing in the AG 2006, Taufik was basically the better player.

Yet, Lin Dan himself admitted that there was a reason for his loss, which had to do with his mental attitude towards the match: wanting to win too much or in other words, afraid of losing to Taufik in a big match yet again (which would be a repeat of the WC 2005 Final defeat) --> at the end, he lost again to Taufik, much to the surprise of many ppl, including Indonesian fans :eek::cool:

BTW dude, this will also serve to underline the importance of Asian Games title to China players :o If not, Lin Dan wouldn't have that kinda "wanting to win too much" feeling.

he is eager to win any title in badminton.
he already won 2 titles in Invitational World Cup (also unofficial tourney).

'There is no we here'.
I guess that is why you are deaf (perhaps the right word is blind).

Yeah facts -- your facts, nobody else's. Petty insults ? What else do you expect for people like you - praises ? And holding a discussion with you ? Only you think this is holding a discussion with you -- nobody else does and how sad.

LOL....Pemuda's points are basically repeated over and over again until most of us can memorize those by heart!
1. Some players have "big-time Charlie" attitude.
2. BAM is not professionally run.
--> So, his conclusion: it's IMPOSSIBLE for Team MAS to win a gold medal in the Olympics

For the second one, all of us basically know it right? But, there's nothing we can do about it, except to hope for change :o

As for the first one, it has to do with perspectives. Pemuda thinks so, but it does not mean that is the real case, which ants has repeatedly stated.

My point: whether or not Malaysia can win a gold medal will have to depend on many factors, not just the above 2. If Lee Chong Wei or Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong can overcome some of the problems they have right now, they might surprise us with victories in Beijing. Lee Chong Wei will have a better chance, given his recent results in the Super Series events.

So, I believe that it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE for the MAS players to win.

Note, I am not a Malaysian, so, I am not one of those Malaysia-Boleh hordes :p:o;)

LOL.....u said there was no reason for Lin Dan for losing in the AG 2006, Taufik was basically the better player.

Yet, Lin Dan himself admitted that there was a reason for his loss, which had to do with his mental attitude towards the match: wanting to win too much or in other words, afraid of losing to Taufik in a big match yet again (which would be a repeat of the WC 2005 Final defeat) --> at the end, he lost again to Taufik, much to the surprise of many ppl, including Indonesian fans :eek::cool:

BTW dude, this will also serve to underline the importance of Asian Games title to China players :o If not, Lin Dan wouldn't have that kinda "wanting to win too much" feeling.

the most dominant factor of the WC 2005 final defeat was STAMINA.
he won the match against PGC in 97 minutes, while TH vs LCW only 42 minutes. only "half - match" compare to LD.

he is eager to win any title in badminton.
he already won 2 titles in Invitational World Cup (also unofficial tourney).

yeah right....an unofficial tourney which was cut off in 2007 :cool: Whereas, the Asian Games has a long history and tradition :rolleyes::cool:

Oh....the AG will be held in Guangzhou in 2 years time, in case you didn't know about it. How about asking the organizer to cancel it as well, like the Invitational World Cup, if it is such an unimportant and unofficial tourney :eek::rolleyes:;)

yeah right....an unofficial tourney which was cut off in 2007 :cool: Whereas, the Asian Games has a long history and tradition :rolleyes::cool:

Oh....the AG will be held in Guangzhou in 2 years time, in case you didn't know about it. How about asking the organizer to cancel it as well, like the Invitational World Cup, if it is such an unimportant and unofficial tourney :eek::rolleyes:;)

still, it is unofficial tourney. don't overrated it coz TH ever won.
the level of AG was below 12 leg of Super Series.

still, it is unofficial tourney. don't overrated it coz TH ever won.
the level of AG was below 12 leg of Super Series.

OT: Funny but unsubstantiated comments. If it is so UNOFFICIAL and so UNIMPORTANT, those countries will not have spent so much time and money to bid for hosting it once every 4 years :cool: Oh....if China were to think that the AG is as you mention, they would just send their backup players to most of the sports :eek:

continuation....
(Msia MD losing to stratch Korea combination thingy)

7) It's reported that PSH used to play doubles & won Asia Junior in 2002, so as I guessed, he played MD before. Of course that's not excuse & all that, our MD must learn to adapt.

8) It is reported in Badzine that South Korea used the same "weird" line up strategy against Japan in Uber Cup. Japan got confused & lost the tie, as admitted by Japan side. So, stratch pair/weird pairing effects other established players too.

9) WMC said the 'weird" pairing or line up, now Msia can confuse opponents, line up not predictable, opponent cant devise strategy so easily. The 1st time pairing of Lim Pek Siah/Ng Hui Lin against Spore gave the winning point to Msia & thus the ticket to finals in May.
Dunno how that 2nd Spore WD is feeling now.

Interesting how these different/weird pairing or line up can work in team events, hmmm maybe one day Arif can play MD (he's still doing so now)but that's for the TC/Uber thread.

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Xball, any satays from you? No satay celup, satay also can-lah. For OG, too early to start, dont run away this time, eagle will find you.:D


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Note, I am not a Malaysian, so, I am not one of those Malaysia-Boleh hordes :p:o;)

My friend, he, he, I thought you werent getting involved in all this, you also cannot 'tahan', tsk tsk....:p;) to you too

Singapore's WD2 (Yao Lei/Sari Shinta Mulia) was also a scratch pair. I've never seen them teamed up before in major tournaments.

But I think the absence of Li Li seems to have affected the team's performance. Maybe team morale sank quite a bit with her sudden departure.

LOL....Pemuda's points are basically repeated over and over again until most of us can memorize those by heart!
1. Some players have "big-time Charlie" attitude.
2. BAM is not professionally run.
--> So, his conclusion: it's IMPOSSIBLE for Team MAS to win a gold medal in the Olympics

For the second one, all of us basically know it right? But, there's nothing we can do about it, except to hope for change :o

As for the first one, it has to do with perspectives. Pemuda thinks so, but it does not mean that is the real case, which ants has repeatedly stated.

My point: whether or not Malaysia can win a gold medal will have to depend on many factors, not just the above 2. If Lee Chong Wei or Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong can overcome some of the problems they have right now, they might surprise us with victories in Beijing. Lee Chong Wei will have a better chance, given his recent results in the Super Series events.

So, I believe that it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE for the MAS players to win.

Note, I am not a Malaysian, so, I am not one of those Malaysia-Boleh hordes :p:o;)


My own sentiments.;) Would you think Taufik cannot win ? Or markis-kido for that matter ? Would that not be two golds ?:cool:

My own sentiments.;) Would you think Taufik cannot win ? Or markis-kido for that matter ? Would that not be two golds ?

I wouldn't bet any satays on that :o I am basically pessimistic....1 gold should be enough for Team INA :D

I wouldn't bet any satays on that :o I am basically pessimistic....1 gold should be enough for Team INA :D

It is like this -- aim for two, settle for one.:D

It is like this -- aim for two, settle for one.:D

I prefer: expect zero and get one eventually :o
I am easily satisfied....

I prefer: expect zero and get one eventually :o
I am easily satisfied....


Ok, sort of get a surprise. I have to set a target, and then try to score. If I don't achieve, I won't regret.

Xball, any satays from you? No satay celup, satay also can-lah. For OG, too early to start, dont run away this time, eagle will find you.:D




My friend, he, he, I thought you werent getting involved in all this, you also cannot 'tahan', tsk tsk....:p;) to you too

Hahaha, ok bet you a cocounut drink that Malaysia wins two golds.

Hahaha, ok bet you a cocounut drink that Malaysia wins two golds.

Is it you target for two golds, but got one is good enough lah? :D
And even if you can't achieve two, you won't regret hah? :D:D:D