I've just read the Thomas Cup Predicton's tread. But I wonder why there is no Uber Cup's prediction?

Maybe bcos China is too strong for the UC? So everyone has predicted that China will win the UC already? I meant, there is no way too predict anymore cos China will absolutely win the UC?

As a matter of fact, yes, China women's players is too strong for other countries both in singles and doubles.

Any comment?

I've just read the Thomas Cup Predicton's tread. But I wonder why there is no Uber Cup's prediction?

Maybe bcos China is too strong for the UC? So everyone has predicted that China will win the UC already? I meant, there is no way too predict anymore cos China will absolutely win the UC?

As a matter of fact, yes, China women's players is too strong for other countries both in singles and doubles.

Any comment?
..should be "Who will be the runner-ups?":p..Even the players in CHN's Women's squad are too strong for each other, in singles and doubles..:D

..should be "Who will be the runner-ups?":p..Even the players in CHN's Women's squad are too strong for each other, in singles and doubles..:D
Yeah.. Uber Cup has always been dominating by China since past decades.. No one dare to predicts the winner other than them in UC :p ;)

So there is no doubt that China will get the Uber Cup again and again (six times in a row if I am not wrong?:confused:). It means China's Uber Cup's team "invincible" and unbeatable. The percentage for China to win the Uber Cup 2008 at least 90%, except an "X" factor will happen.


..should be "Who will be the runner-ups?":p..Even the players in CHN's Women's squad are too strong for each other, in singles and doubles..:D


Then who should be the runner-up? Since there is no country which has enough good players in WS n WD...
Could be Japan, Korea, Denmark, HK, MaS, or Ina...

Can Zhou Mi play for HK? With a line up of Zhou Mi, Wang Chen and Yip Pui Yin, they definitely is the favorite for runner up.

Can Zhou Mi play for HK? With a line up of Zhou Mi, Wang Chen and Yip Pui Yin, they definitely is the favorite for runner up.

HK lack of a formidable WD pair to win points at UC .. :rolleyes::confused:

With Wang Chen, Zhou Mi and Yip Pui Yin in the Singles, HKG is capable of making it at least to the SF.

True, they lack even one good doubles pair :cool:
If...they recruit Zhang Dan into HKG and pair her with anyone, they have a reasonable looking double pair.

Yeah, no need prediction for Uber Cup winner! CHN is unstoppable since 1998 and it will continue for next year event. It's very wide open for runner-up position. Really hope INA Uber team can produce best performance in Jakarta/08...

Yeah, no need prediction for Uber Cup winner! CHN is unstoppable since 1998 and it will continue for next year event. It's very wide open for runner-up position. Really hope INA Uber team can produce best performance in Jakarta/08...


That's true, so we can call the CHN Uber Cup's team as THE DREAM TEAM like US Basketball Team. But even US Dream Team could be beaten, couldn't they?

Yup, the most likely runner up will be HK's team, with their WC, YPY, and Zhou Mi.

I don't think INA can do much even they will be the host for the tournament.

Can Malaysia beat China?

1st single : Mew Choo WONG vs Ning ZHANG

2nd single : Pei Xian WONG vs Xingfang XIE

3rd single : Lydia CHEAH vs Lin ZHU

1st double : WPT/CEH vs YW/ZJW

2nd double : QSL/LPS vs GL/HS

can mew choo and wpt/ceh get 2 points from giant CHINA?

Can Malaysia beat China?

1st single : Mew Choo WONG vs Ning ZHANG

2nd single : Pei Xian WONG vs Xingfang XIE

3rd single : Lydia CHEAH vs Lin ZHU

1st double : WPT/CEH vs YW/ZJW

2nd double : QSL/LPS vs GL/HS

can mew choo and wpt/ceh get 2 points from giant CHINA?
huahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha uppps sorry

Can Malaysia beat China?

1st single : Mew Choo WONG vs Ning ZHANG

2nd single : Pei Xian WONG vs Xingfang XIE

3rd single : Lydia CHEAH vs Lin ZHU

1st double : WPT/CEH vs YW/ZJW

2nd double : QSL/LPS vs GL/HS

can mew choo and wpt/ceh get 2 points from giant CHINA?

Mission Impossible IV :p

Can Malaysia beat China?

1st single : Mew Choo WONG vs Ning ZHANG

2nd single : Pei Xian WONG vs Xingfang XIE

3rd single : Lydia CHEAH vs Lin ZHU

1st double : WPT/CEH vs YW/ZJW

2nd double : QSL/LPS vs GL/HS

can mew choo and wpt/ceh get 2 points from giant CHINA?

they might win :D... imposible is nothing

haha... its better to predict da runners up than da winner.. da winner will sure be china... lets see who will be 2nd...

if Zhou Mi was allowed to play for next year UBER CUP, Hongkong would be the strongest contender for the runner position. but who knows? they might beat the mighty china team also? Wang Chen, Zhou Mi and YIP are also capable of beating Zhang Ning, Xie Xienfang and Zhu Lin. but that would be so hard but possible reality as these HK girls have beatem these CHN ladies already b4!

hmmm... i think 4 now, HK is da onli country that can giv a hard time 4 CHN to win da title... The Koreans used to be strong in womens category but what happen now???

I guess, if Taiwan manage to regain their form ( i'm talking more about Sheng Shaoh Shieh ... ) they can create a lot of trouble, as they did in 2006. They have a great women's double pair, they just need to get their women's single ready. Sheng Shao Shieh has already beaten xie xingfang once.
And of course Netherlands (eventhough with the fantastic and magical Mia Audina =/) They still have Yao Jie (but i think she won't play against china .. ) and Judith Meleundijks.

But i guess China is just too far from the other countries ... and it's beginning to get me bored =/

Runners up spot will be between :
HK/INA/And don't forget the cuties Japanese Team :p

Can Malaysia beat China?

1st single : Mew Choo WONG vs Ning ZHANG

2nd single : Pei Xian WONG vs Xingfang XIE

3rd single : Lydia CHEAH vs Lin ZHU

1st double : WPT/CEH vs YW/ZJW

2nd double : QSL/LPS vs GL/HS

can mew choo and wpt/ceh get 2 points from giant CHINA?

Chance to win:

1st single : Mew Choo WONG vs Ning ZHANG 40%

2nd single : Pei Xian WONG vs Xingfang XIE 35%

3rd single : Lydia CHEAH vs Lin ZHU 30%

1st double : WPT/CEH vs YW/ZJW 35&

2nd double : QSL/LPS vs GL/HS 25%

Overall, the chance to win those matches for malaysian's team is 33%

(Just my opinion)

the winner CHINA
runner up HONG KONG

the winner CHINA
runner up HONG KONG

I agree with you...

Is this topic, serious?

a few years later..
maybe the chance will be MAS:CHN 50:50.
if malaysia do well enough in its players developement.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/showthread.php?p=675286#post675286) Can Malaysia beat China?

1st single : Mew Choo WONG vs Ning ZHANG

2nd single : Pei Xian WONG vs Xingfang XIE

3rd single : Lydia CHEAH vs Lin ZHU

1st double : WPT/CEH vs YW/ZJW

2nd double : QSL/LPS vs GL/HS

can mew choo and wpt/ceh get 2 points from giant CHINA?


cannot la.... where can?

I don't think INA will get the runner up position...

If we actually see INA vs. HKG... then... HKG have to win all 3 singles [and they are very capable of doing that]. The 2 WD should be INA's to take...

Aside from INA, HKG, and JPN, how come I have not heard KOR being mentioned here? They are good enough to take 2 WD against most others [except against INA]... and good enough to win at least 1 WS [except against HKG]...

Chance to win:

1st single : Mew Choo WONG vs Ning ZHANG 40%

2nd single : Pei Xian WONG vs Xingfang XIE 35%

3rd single : Lydia CHEAH vs Lin ZHU 30%

1st double : WPT/CEH vs YW/ZJW 35&

2nd double : QSL/LPS vs GL/HS 25%

Overall, the chance to win those matches for malaysian's team is 33%

(Just my opinion)


In my opinion, we should see it in a different angle: what are the chances of MAS getting 3 wins out of 5 matches against CHN Uber Cup team in May 2008? I can't really put a number on it, but basically, it is not good... :o Maybe in 2010 or 2012 there might be some change. But as of now... I think realistically... the chances are not good at all... :o

Chance to win:

1st single : Mew Choo WONG vs Ning ZHANG 40%

2nd single : Pei Xian WONG vs Xingfang XIE 35%

3rd single : Lydia CHEAH vs Lin ZHU 30%

1st double : WPT/CEH vs YW/ZJW 35&

2nd double : QSL/LPS vs GL/HS 25%

Overall, the chance to win those matches for malaysian's team is 33%

(Just my opinion)


Ok, let's assume your % is true to begin with (but I highly doubt, especially the WD portion). Even so, let's take the 3 highest ones to make the calculation to get your overall chance.

From stats, you need the 3 wins, which the chance is 40% x 35% x 35% = 5%. Of course, to get to victory, there should be other possible "combos", but the outcome is even smaller. I assume the final outcome is no where near 33% as you claimed. I assume your 33% comes from the average of 5 events, which is not the correct way to calculate the "chance". :rolleyes:

I really want to know how you dudes get those seriously accurate approximations*.

* Hmm...

Why should us keep on calculating the chances here as the match itself WOULD NOT be happened anyway

if Zhou Mi was allowed to play for next year UBER CUP, Hongkong would be the strongest contender for the runner position. but who knows? they might beat the mighty china team also? Wang Chen, Zhou Mi and YIP are also capable of beating Zhang Ning, Xie Xienfang and Zhu Lin. but that would be so hard but possible reality as these HK girls have beatem these CHN ladies already b4!

With Zhou Mi's current form, I think she's still not fully back to her peak. And next year, she's 1 more year older. Yip has a great future, but beating ZN and/or XXF once a year, still does not give ppl too much hope. :rolleyes:

Ok, let's assume your % is true to begin with (but I highly doubt, especially the WD portion). Even so, let's take the 3 highest ones to make the calculation to get your overall chance.

From stats, you need the 3 wins, which the chance is 40% x 35% x 35% = 5%. Of course, to get to victory, there should be other possible "combos", but the outcome is even smaller. I assume the final outcome is no where near 33% as you claimed. I assume your 33% comes from the average of 5 events, which is not the correct way to calculate the "chance". :rolleyes:

Exactly! :D So the chances are not good...

but.... what if malaysia actually beat china? would it be the biggest upset in badminton history?

but.... what if malaysia actually beat china? would it be the biggest upset in badminton history?
..if MAS do beat CHN in Uber Cup, would you be suspicious also on what happened? Knowing well the probability of that happening is very2 low almost zero, would you then suggest for an investigation to be done?..:rolleyes:;)

I am sure they have a great chance to go to final, with xu, schenk, grether.

Just wonder where is Petra Overzier?

Looks like Chau Hoi Wah from Hong Kong has improved a lot in WD play (the Sudirman Cup victory over Thailand's WD is still fresh in my mind). If she partners with Zhou Mi in one WD and Koon Wai Chee partners with Wang Chen in another WD, HK will have 2 extremely strong, but underated WD Team. I wouldn't be suprised if HK can gain at least 1 points from doubles when playing against Indo Malaysia, Denmark, Japan, or maybe even Korea.

China is pretty much sure win even if they don't send the first 2 ranked WD and WS.

China is pretty much sure win even if they don't send the first 2 ranked WD and WS.

China is a sure win for the Uber Cup.

But if they don't send out their 1st 2 ranked WS, they will have a good chance of winning, but it won't be a sure win.

The Chinese depth in WS is not quite the same as the era of Gong Zhichao, Gong Ruina, Ye Zhaoying, Dai Yun, Zhou Mi, etc. If they choose to rest Zhang Ning and Xie Xinfang for the upcoming Uber cup, the lineup vs HK may be:

Zhu Lin vs Wang Chen
Lu Lan vs Zhou Mi
Wang Lin or Wang Yihan vs Yip Pui Yin

With this lineup, I think HK has a reasonable chance (around 25%) of winning all 3 WS games

I agree with you with the WD though. Even if China rests Gao Ling/Huang Sui and Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewan, the team of Wei Yili/Zhang Zhawen and Zhao Tingting/Yu Yang will likely beat all other competitors. It will be a close one between Wei Yili/Zhang Zhawen vs Lee/Lee of Korea. Even if Wei/Zhang loses, the Chinse WS will still have a good chance of winning at least 2 out of 3 matches in WS against Korea.

If malaysia can go to the world stage,maybe they can reach semi.........They reach quarter in someyear but was beat by China

possible malaysia line-up


Mew Choo WONG

Pei Xian WONG

Li Ya CHEAH

Pei Tty WONG/Eei Hui CHIN

Swee Ling QUAY/Pek Siah LIM or Hui Lin NG/Liu Ying GOH

notes:if QUAY/LIM can get back pair together,unfortunately their will be the 2nd doubles best choice

possible malaysia line-up


Mew Choo WONG

Pei Xian WONG

Li Ya CHEAH

Pei Tty WONG/Eei Hui CHIN

Swee Ling QUAY/Pek Siah LIM or Hui Lin NG/Liu Ying GOH

notes:if QUAY/LIM can get back pair together,unfortunately their will be the 2nd doubles best choice

oh wait... Woon Khe Mei will be 'reserve'......:D:D:D

Not likely to topple CHN yet, they would practically guarantee the 2 WD points. Even if ZN, LL or ZL run out of breath, XXF surely will not fail to gain the important singles point.

And no, MAS is not likely to go that far as to challenge CHN, the best bets are HK and KOR, but the singles team must really get their act together.

Regardless of I'm indonesian. I think China Uber Team has the big chance to win. Anyways, there is always any chance to win for others team as well.

Regardless of I'm indonesian. I think China Uber Team has the big chance to win. Anyways, there is always any chance to win for others team as well.
thast honest.i appreciate it.

i hope its malaysia n indonesia in finals.hoping....

No, Korea is returning to strength in singles, and it is them who will be the strongest challengers to China after having done badly in 2006. Japan is a close 3rd.

The rest of the teams are still uneven to lend a credible team challenge.

yup agreed, i think CHN are hot favourites for the UC again, can't really see them losing it.

KOR are definitely the only team able to challenge them, i can see them winning 2 points at the most though.

i would put either HK and JAP as possibly third place finishers.

then only comes INA, SIN and MAS.

don't underestimate other countries. it will be a boomerang for CHN team.

In team competitions, you need balance.

In the Uber squad, only CHN and KOR has some form of balance, followed by JPN (but their standards have dipped slightly).

MAS, HK, TPE, SIN, INA etc. are not so well balanced. Same goes for the Europeans DEN, ENG, GER etc.

The only chance China would lose is if the rest of the world gang up as a team and select only the best players, put Tine, WMC, and WC in single line up, and the korean top WD and malaysia top WD in the line up, and even that, China will still have 60% of beating the unify team:eek:

I think China should just include Zhang Ning as motivator. Give chance to Zhu Lin, Lu Lan and Wang Yihan to play more..:)

It is the time for them to move on..

For WD, wondering whether China will include Gao Ling as well, as she doesnt have good partner (Zhao Tingting..:mad:)

I think China will bring Yang/Zhang, Wei/Zhang, Du/Yu..should be enough?

Korea will more likely became the runner-up..
They got Jun Jae-youn, Hwang Hye-youn, duo Lee to steal the game from China

Xie Xingfang vs Jun Jae-youn
Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen vs Lee Kyung-won/Lee Hyo-jung
Lu Lan vs Hwang Hye-youn
Wei Yili/Zhang Yawen vs Hwang Yu-mi/Ha Jung-eun
Zhu Lin vs Lee Yun-hwa

I think China should just include Zhang Ning as motivator. Give chance to Zhu Lin, Lu Lan and Wang Yihan to play more..:)




Not sure if using a team compeition to train young guns is a good example, especially consider the top 2 WS are not as reliable as before. The young ones will face too much pressure on their shoulder, which can result into a meltdown for both team and self (ex: young Zhang Ning in 1994).

Personally, I prefer to let the youngs grow in individual based tournaments, rather than putting 1.3 billion ppl's hope on a teenager. Wang Yihan has a bright path right in front of her, to see her follow Zhang Ning's earlier career path can be a shame. :rolleyes:

Also, fielding in Zhang Ning should be a good confidence boost for CHN, as she's #2, which means she does not need to face the other team's #1 (ex: WMC, WC, Tine, etc) Even if XXF lost #1 WS, CHN WD should hand a 1:1 to ZN, which she should be able to easily handle, never to mention she has another WD and WS to back herself up. Even if ZN is on the downside, she's still far more reliable (especially mentally) than WYH or WL. Same theory, Zhu Lin or Lu Lan should be more effective when they face WS#3, rather than #2.

I wonder if this Chinese team is the strongest ever. They can have a line up of 3 WS world champs and 2 WD world champs, or the top 3 ranked WS's and top 2 ranked WD's in the world.

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I wonder if this Chinese team is the strongest ever. They can have a line up of 3 WS world champs and 2 WD world champs, or the top 3 ranked WS's and top 2 ranked WD's in the world.

the stats indicate that's true, but i think the WS team this year looks a lot more fragile than it did 2 years ago. the WD pairs are still very strong, but are not as invincible as they once were. i would say, based on recent performances, the CHN UC team of 2006 are stronger than in 2008, even though the personnel is essentially the same.

i have no doubt they are still going to win it though.

the stats indicate that's true, but i think the WS team this year looks a lot more fragile than it did 2 years ago. the WD pairs are still very strong, but are not as invincible as they once were. i would say, based on recent performances, the CHN UC team of 2006 are stronger than in 2008, even though the personnel is essentially the same.

i have no doubt they are still going to win it though.


I kinda agree.

If we are talking about this like 1 or 2 yrs ago, the question we debating is whether anyone can make them lose a match, regardless who they field in. Now, we even have to help LYB to do the lineup to secure the cup. :rolleyes:

Personally, I think there are several factors result into such. Age and injury (ZN, for ex), mentality (XXF seems not as "hungry" as before), spliting of pair (Huang Sui is gone, so Gao Ling is pretty much wasted for WD). Also, the rally system more or less minimized the gap between "top vs. decent". Therefore, the best overall player might not be able to win day by day, if s/he got caught on a rough start. :rolleyes:

yup, though i still can't see them losing over a best of 5 matches.
it'll have to be an incredible run to take 3 games off them, upset of the century ....

yup, though i still can't see them losing over a best of 5 matches.
it'll have to be an incredible run to take 3 games off them, upset of the century ....

I agree.

The WS#1 might no longer be a given, but think about the WDs and WS#2 and 3. Even if any nations WS#1 and WD#1 can take a point or even 2, they just don't have the depth to take the other 3.

Well, even if that happens, I still consider the 1980 "miracle on ice" a larger shock. Of course, that's "previous century". ;)

I think China should just include Zhang Ning as motivator. Give chance to Zhu Lin, Lu Lan and Wang Yihan to play more..:)

Korea will more likely became the runner-up..
They got Jun Jae-youn, Hwang Hye-youn, duo Lee to steal the game from China


Unfortunately for the Korean ladies, they most probably will meet China in the semifinals... :p

Not sure if using a team compeition to train young guns is a good example, especially consider the top 2 WS are not as reliable as before. The young ones will face too much pressure on their shoulder, which can result into a meltdown for both team and self (ex: young Zhang Ning in 1994).


I agree with xavier only in the first 2 group matchups, where China can easily destroy their opponents in the same group. That's good training. If China should meet Indonesia in the quarterfinals, then they may field Lu Lan, Zhu Lin, and Wang Yihan for fun... They will still beat INA's 3 WS... :o For the semifinal matchup against South Korea, better use old-guns Zhang Ning and Xie Xinfang again... ;)

Unfortunately for the Korean ladies, they most probably will meet China in the semifinals... :p



I agree with xavier only in the first 2 group matchups, where China can easily destroy their opponents in the same group. That's good training. If China should meet Indonesia in the quarterfinals, then they may field Lu Lan, Zhu Lin, and Wang Yihan for fun... They will still beat INA's 3 WS... :o For the semifinal matchup against South Korea, better use old-guns Zhang Ning and Xie Xinfang again... ;)


If the "young gun" which are not young anymore apparently never have the chance to play against stronger countries, other player may slip through.

Korea since doesnt have a very strong WS will play Hwang Hye-youn. This will give her good mental strength and experience. Japan got Eriko Hirose, Yu Hirayama, etc
No wonder if Lu Lan and Zhu Lin rarely win important games if China always rely on XXF and ZN. Wondering when is their chance to take over the role. After OG, ZN will retire. XXF is not young anymore, I think the WS future is a bit vague.
This is even worse than 1994-1995 when Ye Zhaoying preserving alone

If the "young gun" which are not young anymore apparently never have the chance to play against stronger countries, other player may slip through.

Korea since doesnt have a very strong WS will play Hwang Hye-youn. This will give her good mental strength and experience. Japan got Eriko Hirose, Yu Hirayama, etc
No wonder if Lu Lan and Zhu Lin rarely win important games if China always rely on XXF and ZN. Wondering when is their chance to take over the role. After OG, ZN will retire. XXF is not young anymore, I think the WS future is a bit vague.
This is even worse than 1994-1995 when Ye Zhaoying preserving alone


Wang Yihan is 18 only, I think? :rolleyes: Lu Lan and Zhu Lin are not that "young", but they are certainly have a few years more under the belt, unless injury kicks in. ZN's days are over, right after OG. Therefore, they will getting more chances to play, even Wang Lin. I won't too worry about their development. Remember XXF was always #4 during the days of ZN, ZM and GRN. That's the reason she also missed OG 04. However, once given chances, she immediately jumped out. I won't be surprised that Lu Lan, Zhu Lin and especially WYH will do the same. It's true that they almost never won the big title in a consistent pace yet, but their time will come, as soon as OG is over.

There's no point to risk the Uber cup, as the time is coming in 4 months. :rolleyes:

Wang Yihan is 18 only, I think? :rolleyes: Lu Lan and Zhu Lin are not that "young", but they are certainly have a few years more under the belt, unless injury kicks in. ZN's days are over, right after OG. Therefore, they will getting more chances to play, even Wang Lin. I won't too worry about their development. Remember XXF was always #4 during the days of ZN, ZM and GRN. That's the reason she also missed OG 04. However, once given chances, she immediately jumped out. I won't be surprised that Lu Lan, Zhu Lin and especially WYH will do the same. It's true that they almost never won the big title in a consistent pace yet, but their time will come, as soon as OG is over.

There's no point to risk the Uber cup, as the time is coming in 4 months. :rolleyes:

good point...however i think Lu Lan and Zhu Lin still got big chance to win against other countries' 2nd and 3rd WS..
Lu Lan and Zhu Lin can beat Hwang Hye-youn, Lee Yun-hwa, Yu Hirayama, Kaori Mori, Yip Pui Yin, etc...
Thinking ZN will be over if she lose to Hwang Hye-youn again

Can Malaysia beat China?

1st single : Mew Choo WONG vs Ning ZHANG

2nd single : Pei Xian WONG vs Xingfang XIE

3rd single : Lydia CHEAH vs Lin ZHU

1st double : WPT/CEH vs YW/ZJW

2nd double : QSL/LPS vs GL/HS

can mew choo and wpt/ceh get 2 points from giant CHINA?

maybe mlsia can win, seriously :)

maybe mlsia can win, seriously :)

Seriously, you have to be kidding...?!? :eek: MAS defeating CHN in the Uber Cup 2008?!? :eek: I will give MAS' chances of winning: 2.5%... :o MAS' 2nd WS, 3rd WS, and 2nd WD are just too weak compared to CHN's... and... CHN's 1st WS and 1st WD are very very strong too...

maybe mlsia can win, seriously :)

You are right!

HS is no longer playing, so MAS got a free point already. Oh wait, only if somehow they can manage a 2:2 tie according to your lineup before the last WD. :D

Ok, let's assume your % is true to begin with (but I highly doubt, especially the WD portion). Even so, let's take the 3 highest ones to make the calculation to get your overall chance.

From stats, you need the 3 wins, which the chance is 40% x 35% x 35% = 5%. Of course, to get to victory, there should be other possible "combos", but the outcome is even smaller. I assume the final outcome is no where near 33% as you claimed. I assume your 33% comes from the average of 5 events, which is not the correct way to calculate the "chance". :rolleyes:

Based on your calculation, China's chance will be .6x.65x.65 = .25 (25%).
You can't have 2 teams playing each other with winning chance of 5% & 25%.

Based on your calculation, China's chance will be .6x.65x.65 = .25 (25%).
You can't have 2 teams playing each other with winning chance of 5% & 25%.


Your formula only include 1 of the scenario's as CHN took 3 straight set, there are many other combos, such as going 4 (3:1) or 5 (3:2)... The total chance is the sum of all the possibilities. With all said, I don't think the TOTAL chance for CHN winning is only 67% or less. No, I did not do the actual calculation for all the possibilities. :p

Anyway, I am not here to run a stats lecture. :p Personally, I don't think the % regarding each match are accurate to begin with. :rolleyes:

No need calculations, China will still win this. That, like our flights and accommodation:D, is practically confirmed. Korea too are practically guaranteed at least a semis slot. After the disaster of their 2006 campaign, Korea will not want to make the same mistake.

What is not confirmed is how much fight other teams can give them. The most interesting battles are the jockeying of positions to occupy the other 2 semifinals slot. I count 6 other teams with almost equal strength. Japan and Malaysia, although seeded, are not guaranteed to win their groups, or even the quarterfinals even if they are group champions.

No need calculations, China will still win this. That, like our flights and accommodation:D, is practically confirmed. Korea too are practically guaranteed at least a semis slot. After the disaster of their 2006 campaign, Korea will not want to make the same mistake.

What is not confirmed is how much fight other teams can give them. The most interesting battles are the jockeying of positions to occupy the other 2 semifinals slot. I count 6 other teams with almost equal strength. Japan and Malaysia, although seeded, are not guaranteed to win their groups, or even the quarterfinals even if they are group champions.

u are right. Malaysia and Japan are not guaranteed they could go semi final. It will be interesting to guess which team will make it ti the semi other than China.

I would think Korea will make it.

boring poll, let's the poll we did for 2006, who will be the uber cup runners-up? that'll be a more even contest.

boring poll, let's the poll we did for 2006, who will be the uber cup runners-up? that'll be a more even contest.

I agree. But seeing as KOR are second strongest and they are likely to meet in SF, it is a fraught poll.

actually IMO KOR do have some chance. If XXF/ZN have off day and ZL/LL lose third WS, and WD1 come good, they can win. But it is a lot of semi-shock results going their way. none of the other teams could beat CHN 2nd team IMO.

WOW, those are very, VERY big ifs.

actually, if you take KOR out of the equation, i don't think you could put together a team from the rest of the world combined that could beat CHN.

I am surprised to see this thread manged to go get 4 full pages of debate and other responses other than China will win PERIOD.

Well, just like Dreamzz have said, even the world manged to put together a dream team to up against China, their chance to win is still relatively slim.... very slim.

Actually, a Uber dream team can topple CHN.

Say, like this:-

Tine Rasmussen vs XXF (yup, only Tine can balance XXF's power)
Xu Huaiwen or WMC vs ZN
WMC or JJY or ZM vs LL/ZL
Lee/Lee vs DJ/YY or YW/ZJW
TPE or INA or MAS vs YW/ZJW or ZYW/WYL

Actually, a Uber dream team can topple CHN.

Say, like this:-

Tine Rasmussen vs XXF (yup, only Tine can balance XXF's power)
Xu Huaiwen or WMC vs ZN
WMC or JJY or ZM vs LL/ZL
Lee/Lee vs DJ/YY or YW/ZJW
TPE or INA or MAS vs YW/ZJW or ZYW/WYL
I would say, the dream team winning percentage is ard 40%, China still in the upper hand...

I would say, the dream team winning percentage is ard 40%, China still in the upper hand...

Aah, but you should look at how much pressure the CHN gals are going to be in, one thing I realized is that they don't handle pressure as well as the gals during Li Lingwei/Han Aiping days. Even Xu Huaiwen managed to cause XXF anxious moments in the Swiss Open.

Aah, but you should look at how much pressure the CHN gals are going to be in, one thing I realized is that they don't handle pressure as well as the gals during Li Lingwei/Han Aiping days. Even Xu Huaiwen managed to cause XXF anxious moments in the Swiss Open.
this one i can't agree more...:D

no need for prediction, the result 's came out as the everyone know ... CHINA.

I think it should be changed to predict the runner up.

ina team will go to the final :)...

we have quite strong WDs

Actually, a Uber dream team can topple CHN.

Say, like this:-

Tine Rasmussen vs XXF (yup, only Tine can balance XXF's power)
Xu Huaiwen or WMC vs ZN
WMC or JJY or ZM vs LL/ZL
Lee/Lee vs DJ/YY or YW/ZJW
TPE or INA or MAS vs YW/ZJW or ZYW/WYL

Xu wouldn't be in my ROW Dream Team. Probably look like this:
WS1 Tine Rasmussen. Scares the CR*P out of any CHN player
WS2 Jun Jae Youn. :D:D:D but worth her spot on the team
WS3 Wong Mew Choo. Will fight till the last drop
(other possible WS - Pi Hongyan, Yippy)
WD1 Lee/Lee (Kor). Can give anyone a run for their money
WD2 JAP Cuties. Hopefully they don't meet the CHN tomboys

On their day, KOR could upset CHN but all the stars must align. They have the players to get them the 3 points:
WS Jun Jae-youn :)
WS Hwang Hye-youn :)
WD Lee Kyung-won/Lee Hyo-jung

Forget about the rest of their team, cannon fodder for the powerful Chinese. None of the other teams have a remote chance because they don't have good enough players to get them 3 points. For all those MAS fans thinking they can pull it off, keep dreaming :rolleyes::rolleyes:. Ain't gonna happen.

no we may not pull off and win the Uber Cup but we can dream. One day we will have a chance to win the cup and u never know.. maybe we can hope for a semi final for a start.

Xu wouldn't be in my ROW Dream Team. Probably look like this:
WS1 Tine Rasmussen. Scares the CR*P out of any CHN player
WS2 Jun Jae Youn. :D:D:D but worth her spot on the team
WS3 Wong Mew Choo. Will fight till the last drop
(other possible WS - Pi Hongyan, Yippy)
WD1 Lee/Lee (Kor). Can give anyone a run for their money
WD2 JAP Cuties. Hopefully they don't meet the CHN tomboys

Nah, we can't use that lineup. Jun is ranked lower than WMC, must follow ranking. Can't use Pi either, her team is not in the Finals.

Jap cuties have gone off the boil lately, I rate Suetsuna/Maeda as the best JPN pair now. But TPE girls are much better.

And you are right, MAS cannot make it on current material ....... I would settle for them to reach semis.

Nah, we can't use that lineup. Jun is ranked lower than WMC, must follow ranking. Can't use Pi either, her team is not in the Finals.

Jap cuties have gone off the boil lately, I rate Suetsuna/Maeda as the best JPN pair now. But TPE girls are much better.

And you are right, MAS cannot make it on current material ....... I would settle for them to reach semis.

Aiks, what was I thinking :rolleyes:. You're right. Pi can't play. Also the TPE girls are tougher than the cuties right now, so they're in. For WS, no matter, I'd still settle for any permutation of Tine/Jun/Wong/Yippy to give the CHN juggernaut a run for their Yuan

hey!
i said a team without KOR in it!
:p:D

Actually, a Uber dream team can topple CHN.

Say, like this:-

Tine Rasmussen vs XXF (yup, only Tine can balance XXF's power)
Xu Huaiwen or WMC vs ZN
WMC or JJY or ZM vs LL/ZL
Lee/Lee vs DJ/YY or YW/ZJW
TPE or INA or MAS vs YW/ZJW or ZYW/WYL

hey!
i said a team without KOR in it!
:p:D

Hehehe, I am reading-challenged ;):D

hey!
i said a team without KOR in it!
:p:D

OK, try this one:-

Tine Rasmussen vs XXF (yup, only Tine can balance XXF's power)
Xu Huaiwen or WMC vs ZN
WMC or Yippie or ZM vs LL/ZL
TPE or INA gals vs DJ/YY or YW/ZJW (INA to play DJ/YY, TPE to challenge YW/ZJW)
INA or MAS gals vs YW/ZJW or ZYW/WYL (INA to play if YW/ZJW is fielded, MAS against ZYW/WYL).

i'd say minimum 3-2 to CHN, perhaps 4-1. Tine looks like the only player who is likely to score a point in that line-up, maybe someone else might but i don't see 3 points in there anywhere ....

WMC Is the most likely to score a point against 3rd CHN singles, but with her ranking, under Uber Cup rules I don't think she could.

Like we said, R of World or any other country could only maybe manage to beat china's 2nd Uber cup team.

But it would be interesting to imagine what could happen IF the score is at 2-2, wouldn't it?

Well it would be really interesting if the really is a tournament for world unification team vs chinese team. That should sell some tickets! The unification team was briefly mentioned in my earlier back in post #48.

China seems to be the overwhelming favorite, but still, anything could happen!

I think CHN is still strong......other countries still..need to catch up....

Indeed, they are less vulnerable than the men's squad. But we have hope .... in recent times KOR, MAS, INA and DEN singles and doubles players have beaten 'em. At least, make some dents even if the wall doesn't crumble.

CHN will win UC even if they split CHN team into CHN TeamA and TeamB. :eek:

CHN will win UC even if they split CHN team into CHN TeamA and TeamB. :eek:

then, we vote either Team A or Team B get the UC.......:D

USA will win the UC.

MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!:):)
MAS girls can do it!!:D

Can Malaysia beat China?

1st single : Mew Choo WONG vs Ning ZHANG

2nd single : Pei Xian WONG vs Xingfang XIE

3rd single : Lydia CHEAH vs Lin ZHU

1st double : WPT/CEH vs YW/ZJW

2nd double : QSL/LPS vs GL/HS

maybe mlsia can win, seriously :)

hahaha...I can’t stop laughing...seriously...:D:D:D:p:p:p

then, we vote either Team A or Team B get the UC.......:D

If u watched the recent ABC WS Final (CHN vs CHN), u will agree with me. Those two young CHN WS are so strong that they outclassed our WMC and WangChen :eek:

If u watched the recent ABC WS Final (CHN vs CHN), u will agree with me. Those two young CHN WS are so strong that they outclassed our WMC and WangChen :eek:

badminton is popular sports in China.
let's say about 50 million out of 1.5b population.
one team = 10 players (include back-ups)
just imagine they need to outcome the 100 million people.........:eek:
even the badminton players are much more than our(Malaysia) population...:D

It would be a disaster if CHN fails to defend the title.


Agreed with the idea of having a CHN vs All-star team matchup:

Xie Xingfang vs Tine Rasmessen (DEN)
Zhang Ning vs Wang Chen (HKG)
Lu Lan vs Wong Mew Choo (MAS)
Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen vs Lee Hyo Jung/Lee Kyung Won (KOR)
Wei Yili/Zhang Yawen vs Cheng Wen Hsing/Chien Yu Chin (TPE)

What about having a CHN vs All-star team matchup:

Xie Xingfang vs Wang Chen (HKG)

Zhang Ning vs Pi Hong Yan (FRA)

Lu Lan vs Tine Rasmessen (DEN)

Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen vs Lee Hyo Jung/Lee Kyung Won (KOR)

Wei Yili/Zhang Yawen vs Cheng Wen Hsing/Chien Yu Chin (TPE)

for the time being, most of the top stars are from China.........:crying:

...
Agreed with the idea of having a CHN vs All-star team matchup:

Xie Xingfang vs Tine Rasmessen (DEN)
Zhang Ning vs Wang Chen (HKG)
Lu Lan vs Wong Mew Choo (MAS)
Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen vs Lee Hyo Jung/Lee Kyung Won (KOR)
Wei Yili/Zhang Yawen vs Cheng Wen Hsing/Chien Yu Chin (TPE)
..that match, i would probably give 1 win, or maybe 2 wins, for the All-Star team (Tine to win and maybe 2nd WD).
To have a chance, i would put Tine as 1st Singles, then PHY then WMC. For WD, the KOR duo would go first, and either the TPE pair or the INA pair of Vita & Lilyana would go 2nd. Still though, at the end, i think CHN would still win.

for the time being, most of the top stars are from China.........:crying:
U r fast. I've re-sequenced the order and changed some players... :D

..that match, i would probably give 1 win, or maybe 2 wins, for the All-Star team (Tine to win and maybe 2nd WD).
To have a chance, i would put Tine as 1st Singles, then PHY then WC. For WD, the KOR duo would go first, and either the TPE pair or the INA pair of Vita & Lilyana would go 2nd. Still though, at the end, i think CHN would still win.
I thought WMC can steal a pt from LL or ZL. Don't forget, WMC has beaten all CHN top players. The score would be 3-2 in either way. :D

U r fast. I've re-sequenced the order and changed some players... :D
i see....
I thought WMC can steal a pt from LL or ZL. Don't forget, WMC has beaten all CHN top players. The score would be 3-2 in either way. :D
why not, China UC Team A vs TC Team ranking 20?
this will be fun.........:D

I thought WMC can steal a pt from LL or ZL. Don't forget, WMC has beaten all CHN top players. The score would be 3-2 in either way. :D

On current for I don't think WMC can justify her position on this dream team. I still say you need to have Jun Jae Youn :) in the WS rotation

On current for I don't think WMC can justify her position on this dream team. I still say you need to have Jun Jae Youn :) in the WS rotation
I'm sorry to exclude your favorite JJY from the squad... :p

Yeah u could be right. JJY stands a better chance than WMC against LL or ZL based on the current form. :)

I'm sorry to exclude your favorite JJY from the squad... :p

Yeah u could be right. JJY stands a better chance than WMC against LL or ZL based on the current form. :)

Hehehe, at least you have some respect for my fave JJY :):):). Seriously though, if you read earlier in the thread, I proposed that KOR could well upset CHN if the stars aligned. I think they're the only team who can. You need only 3 points and JJY, HHY and Lee/Lee could deliver. Again, a very very very big if ;)

...Seriously though, if you read earlier in the thread, I proposed that KOR could well upset CHN if the stars aligned.
...
..if the moon somehow turns blue....;)
Anyway, all this talk about possible Uber Cup matches pitting the All Star squad vs. CHN's squad seems to point to the inevitable realization that the CHN's Uber Cup team is definitely going to retain their title, at least for this yr.;)....and that we will keep on dreaming and hoping when the day finally comes.........

..if the moon somehow turns blue....;)
Anyway, all this talk about possible Uber Cup matches pitting the All Star squad vs. CHN's squad seems to point to the inevitable realization that the CHN's Uber Cup team is definitely going to retain their title.;)....and that we will keep on dreaming and hoping when the day finally comes.........

Chris, that's why we dream ;):)

in semis...it will be china vs korea and malaysia vs HK or japan...

korea may win on first 3 match with 30% of chance...if not,they will never win

if vs HK...wmc win=malaysia win as HK wd cant bet malaysia(even we let lydia and tee jing yi in 1st double and woon khe wei-sabrina in 2nd double)

if vs japan...it will be close...and 2nd double surely win by japan...it will be a 50-50(as lydia and julia has beaten japanese atleast once)...if first 2 match win by malaysia,then it will be a 65-35% for malaysia...

whoever win between japan and HK,it almost surely be a 3-2 or 2-3...with japan will sure win 2 wd and HK have advantage in 3 single...it will be stamina advantage for malaysia as malaysia win meet germany in quater if i am not mistaken...so...it will be advantage for malaysia as wc and zm are not as young as malaysian ws...all of them(wmc,julia,lydia are good in marathon match)

so...i hope that malaysia can acheive a final appearence in Uber cup...it will be great and a lose of 0-3 to china are just nothing...

in semis...it will be china vs korea and malaysia vs HK or japan...
KOR can still avoid meeting CHN in the semi by finishing as runner-up in the group....

KOR can still avoid meeting CHN in the semi by finishing as runner-up in the group....

i think yes...it can happen...but it was more 'reasonable' if korea bet hongkong...and it was still more easier to hk to 'lose'...korea will win 2 wd(they wanna lost oso hard to happen)...so...hk just need to lost one ws match...

if hk win over korea...it will be bye bye for malaysia in semis

Boohooo... You two are talking as if our UC team is just a sideshow...

just be realistic...we knew how depth is ours own country strength...hope and realistic is different thing...ina wd are strong...but ws are not...

i am realistic that if korea meet malaysia in semis...it will be bye bye for malaysia...i also hope they will win...

sure i know as an indonesian will hope their country won...

hope and realistic are different thing...no offence

i think Malaysia should not put their hopes too high. Just let the players do their best this time and do not give undue pressure to the girls. Most of the squad are relatively young and it is tough not to crack under pressure.

We just give them our full support and pray for success. If the girls can achieve a semi final target for now...it will be good booster morale for the Uber 2010 in Ipoh Malaysia then.

Just voted: China to win. No doubt. There are so many MAS and INA fans here! :D

Seriously, when they are very lucky: Korea can at most take 2 matches (1st WD and one WS). INA 1 (WD: Lilyana/Marissa). DEN 1 (WS Rasmussen). MAS 0. So there is 0% chance that any of them can beat China. :cool:

Just voted: China to win. No doubt. There are so many MAS and INA fans here! :D

Seriously, when they are very lucky: Korea can at most take 2 matches (1st WD and one WS). INA 1 (WD: Lilyana/Marissa). DEN 1 (WS Rasmussen). MAS 0. So there is 0% chance that any of them can beat China. :cool:
China is favariote to win,...I thnk we should discuss who will be runner up in coming Uber Cup...

OK, my take is Korea will not be runnerup, being in the same half of the draw as China.

Japan cuties will be runnerup. Or maybe Malaysia/Denmark.

denmark will not be runner up i think...

wow...just notice that hk just have yippie in uber...so...japan will in semis...

wow...just notice that hk just have yippie in uber...so...japan will in semis...

???? :confused::confused::confused::confused:???? Does this make any sense??? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

???? :confused::confused::confused::confused:???? Does this make any sense??? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

what mean???...

what mean???...

Read your sentence again (is it even one?:confused:) and tell us what you mean. :)

Read your sentence again (is it even one?:confused:) and tell us what you mean. :)

haha...i mean...hk uber team just send yippie and others(i dont knew the others)...but not the other two of the trio...wang chen are not coming...zhou mi cant play for hong kong...so...hk strengh suddenly drop to a lower level...

haha...i mean...hk uber team just send yippie and others(i dont knew the others)...but not the other two of the trio...wang chen are not coming...zhou mi cant play for hong kong...so...hk strengh suddenly drop to a lower level...

Oh, I see. So you're predicting JAP to reach the SF instead of HK... right? :)

ya...but not a good news to malaysia indeed...because there will be no clash of marathon in quater between hk and japan...