KKK/TBH might split???????

[Inky2000]

(Source: The Star, Sep 21, 2007)

Badminton: Nadzmi the mediator

By RAJES PAUL


KUALA LUMPUR: Top men's doubles shuttlers Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong turned one year older last Tuesday. But they did not celebrate their birthday together because of a strained relationship that developed from their uninspiring performances in recent international tournaments.

Yesterday, the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) president, Datuk Nadzmi Mohd Salleh, stepped in to prevent a possible split in partnership with a pep talk with the duo at the BAM's office in Bukit Kiara here.

“I reminded that they are doubles players. The doubles is not only about Koo or Tan. They are two in one. They cannot afford to be individualistic on court. One must accommodate space for the other,” said Nadzmi.

“I do not want them to make the mistake by blaming each other for the failures. They must act together.”
In the World Championships last month, Kien Keat-Boon Heong failed to live up to expectations and were beaten in the quarter-finals by unheralded Japanese Shuichi Sakamoto-Shintaro Ikeda. And in the Japan Open last week, they suffered a second-round defeat by Indonesians Alven Yulianto-Luluk Hadiyanto.

National doubles coach Rexy Mainaky, who was also present at the meeting, pointed out that Kien Keat lacked faith in his partnership with Boon Heong.


“I met (Lee) Chong Wei the last time. I have to find out what went wrong with our top pair, who started out so well (by winning the Asian Games gold medal in Doha last December followed by victories in the Open tournaments in Malaysia, England and Switzerland),” said Nadzmi.

“I am glad that both of them were open to me. They need to learn to manage themselves – that is the key to get back to the top again. They are of different characters but they must stay united and work together towards the same goals.

“They have agreed that they did not want to waste anyone's time anymore. They are committed to bring honours to the country again. I reminded them of the Thomas Cup, which we hope to win next year and also the Beijing Olympics. I am happy to see that they were charged up after the meeting.”
Rexy wants Kien Keat-Boon Heong to start afresh.

“Koo needs to know Tan's strength. He tries to cover for Tan all the time. He must learn to understand his partner better. I see some positive changes in them today (during training). It is important they trust each other,” he said.

Boon Heong agreed that things were not rosy of late in his partnership with Kien Keat.

“Koo told the coach (Rexy) that I am not complementing him well. I do not blame him. He is so eager to win and I did not play up to his expectation in the last few tournaments,” he said.

“No, we have never talked about this. We are two different individuals. We do not share the same topics of discussion. We enter the court and try to give our best in our own ways.

“There is a problem but this is part and parcel of a partnership. But we will solve this and move forward again. I am determined to get this partnership back to top.”
For a restart, Boon Heong said that they would go out tomorrow for a belated birthday celebration. Boon Heong and Kien Keat are now 20 and 22 respectively.

[ants]

Nah... they are not going to split.

[huangkwokhau]

It happens all the time....they need some "TLC" Tender Loving Care....we will see how they are doing in Macau.........

[Pemuda]

The writing was on the wall since they won that All England title.

[Pemuda]

It happens all the time....they need some "TLC" Tender Loving Care....we will see how they are doing in Macau.........

TLC the Malaysian Boleh way!

[chris-ccc]

Rexy wants Kien Keat-Boon Heong to start afresh.

“Koo needs to know Tan's strength. He tries to cover for Tan all the time. He must learn to understand his partner better. I see some positive changes in them today (during training). It is important they trust each other,” he said.




If KKK tries to cover for TBH all the time, then KKK has a lesser appreciation of TBH's strength and worries more about TBH's weakness.

They should combine as a single unit, and not as two individuals playing independently.

[samuel882]

If KKK tries to cover for TBH all the time, then KKK has a lesser appreciation of TBH's strength and worries more about TBH's weakness.

They should combine as a single unit, and not as two individuals playing independently.
Agree. KKK should stop performing his "SUPERMAN" during the matches.. :)

[Maximum]

Agree. KKK should stop performing his "SUPERMAN" during the matches.. :)
yea... KKK shud learn to belive in what TBH is capable of doing... Afterall, TBH is a good player too.. Maybe he'll be nervous but this is due to his lack of experience...

[ChompChomp]

KKK too yaya liao lah

[samuel882]

KKK too yaya liao lah

Pardon me? What is "YAYA" :confused::cool::p

[kenny7_2006]

afraid this would happen, after being so successful in a short period, when things go a little wrong, boom... when their documentary was aired after the AE, they said that they hardly spend time together off-court, after training they hang out with their own friends... this got me a little worried, and true, this (not being together, misunderstandings etc.) happened... hopefully now they will work it out together and start acheiving again..

[Maximum]

I think they let fame get into thier head d... I heard KKK drives a BMW n after TBH partners with KKK, TBH wanted to buy a BMW as well but TBH's dad wouldn't allow n so both of them argued... We jus cant give too much credit to them 4 their success altho they deserves it 4 bringing home some medals...

[Sgbad]

In my perspective, i feel that tbh is a much stronger and matured player. I feel that kkk is being abit too emotional.

[samuel882]

In my perspective, i feel that tbh is a much stronger and matured player. I feel that kkk is being abit too emotional.
You were probably right.. TBH is a real humble person .. He grew up in a small town. He is humble with his great skill & potential.. Until he met KKK... Something have changed his life.. :cool:

[Sgbad]

You were probably right.. TBH is a real humble person .. He grew up in a small town. He is humble with his great skill & potential.. Until he met KKK... Something have changed his life.. :cool:

What changed his life after he met kkk? kkk is so influential?:D:D:D

[OneToughBirdie]

What changed his life after he met kkk? kkk is so influential?:D:D:D
Could be KKK teaching TBH naughty things that messed up his game...hehehe!!!:D:D:D;):p

[bad_fanatic]

Or maybe TBH is getting irritated with KKK attitude/actions on the court.

[nauyuchi]

Could be KKK teaching TBH naughty things that messed up his game...hehehe!!!:D:D:D;):p

waaaa.... don't split lah. because of them i like to watch badminton and support malaysian team.

ahaha... don't think k3 has been teaching him naughty things....

[samuel882]

waaaa.... don't split lah. because of them i like to watch badminton and support malaysian team.

ahaha... don't think k3 has been teaching him naughty things....

You should watched many others players too :p You probably well affected by their nasty stuff if you follow them too much :p

[tjl_vanguard]

hahaha... dun worry bout stuffs like this.. cuz it wont happen... the olympic council of malaysia and BAM themselves wont jeopardize the pair can probably could give a gold for MAS in OG '08.. :D

[pjswift]

Why not?
When there is a problem of trust and confidence, it is difficult or it will take a long time to fix it regardless of promises.By which time it may be too late to swing it for OG08.
Rexy could perhaps experiment with ccm/kkk and hth/tbh.
Field kkk/tbh and ccm/hth pairs for SS and ccm/kkk and hth/tbh options for GP Gold.(GP Gold are likely to be as competitive as SS because all are chasing OG ranking points.) See which partnerships work better. Look at the KOR. They are experimenting such that one has no clue which pair options they will eventually choose for OG08.
Nowadays, with NSS, there is no clear disadvantage in fielding a new pair. IN fact , considering the kind of upsets so far, new pairs seem to have some advantage. And there's no sure advantage in being seeded anymore.
But for OG08, historical indications favour veterans with considerable big stage experience.Has first timers ever won an OG medal?

[samuel882]

I think IF their attitude during the games itself did not changed , whoever they partnered will have not much impact ...:rolleyes:

[tjl_vanguard]

Why not?
When there is a problem of trust and confidence, it is difficult or it will take a long time to fix it regardless of promises.By which time it may be too late to swing it for OG08.
Rexy could perhaps experiment with ccm/kkk and hth/tbh.
Field kkk/tbh and ccm/hth pairs for SS and ccm/kkk and hth/tbh options for GP Gold.(GP Gold are likely to be as competitive as SS because all are chasing OG ranking points.) See which partnerships work better. Look at the KOR. They are experimenting such that one has no clue which pair options they will eventually choose for OG08.
Nowadays, with NSS, there is no clear disadvantage in fielding a new pair. IN fact , considering the kind of upsets so far, new pairs seem to have some advantage. And there's no sure advantage in being seeded anymore.
But for OG08, historical indications favour veterans with considerable big stage experience.Has first timers ever won an OG medal?
hehehe.. all the players in Barcelona '92 was first-timers.. hehe :D

[ChompChomp]

Pardon me? What is "YAYA" :confused::cool::p

yaya means proud

[pjswift]

I think IF their attitude during the games itself did not changed , whoever they partnered will have not much impact ...:rolleyes:
What's wrong with their attitude? They are just having partnership problems, that's why they lost. They haven't lost their skills. It's good for them to change partners for different tournaments then they'll know which partnership works better.Some things you have to try out to know. Prediction has often not tallied with actual outcome so far.

[pjswift]

hehehe.. all the players in Barcelona '92 was first-timers.. hehe :D
And all of them won a medal?

[alfa-2]

KKK too yaya liao lah

too "ACTION" liao i guess...........:p:p:p:p:p:p yup, agreed. KKK too YAYA.......

[alfa-2]

Agree. KKK should stop performing his "SUPERMAN" during the matches.. :)

He forgot he's not wearing his underwear on the outside during the match...........:D:D:D:D

[chris-ccc]

When there is a problem of trust and confidence, it is difficult or it will take a long time to fix it regardless of promises. By which time it may be too late to swing it for OG08.

Rexy could perhaps experiment with ccm/kkk and hth/tbh.

Field kkk/tbh and ccm/hth pairs for SS and ccm/kkk and hth/tbh options for GP Gold.(GP Gold are likely to be as competitive as SS because all are chasing OG ranking points.) See which partnerships work better. Look at the KOR. They are experimenting such that one has no clue which pair options they will eventually choose for OG08.




Hi pjswift,

Yes, I couldn't agree more with you.

If I were BAM, I would entrust Rexy with his experiment/selection of different partnerships.

However, knowing BAM, I would not be surprised that they are the ones who select partnerships... and then asking Rexy to work on them. But I could be wrong in saying this about BAM... because it was Rexy's idea to pair KKK/TBH together in the first instance.

Of course, Rexy knows very well how KKK/CCM can work together. He coached them before the KKK/TBH partnership was experimented.

Decisions, decisions... that's what makes life interesting !!! :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

[nauyuchi]

I think IF their attitude during the games itself did not changed , whoever they partnered will have not much impact ...:rolleyes:


yelah samuel882, i agree with you!! almost 95%

[chris-ccc]

This is reported by Rajes Paul, of The Star;

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Tuesday September 25, 2007

Badminton: Rexy snubs players
By RAJES PAUL

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2007/9/25/sports/s_pg59rexy.jpg

KUALA LUMPUR: A usually jovial Rexy Mainaky was awfully quiet during the national men's doubles training session at Gymnasium II in Bukit Jalil yesterday.

The Indonesian coach hardly spoke to the pairs, including the two who are gearing up for the Macau Open next week – Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong and Gan Teik Chai-Lin Woon Fui.

But the “cold treatment” from Rexy has only fired up Kien Keat to bring back the cheers to the team.

“The training used to be very lively but it is much quieter now. Probably, he (Rexy) is still upset with some of us (following a string of disappointing results),” said Kien Keat.

“But we will take this approach as a new challenge. We have to get on and concentrate on working hard in training. Hopefully, we will get back to our winning ways.”

The 22-year-old Kien Keat hoped that there would be support from all quarters even though they had come up short of expectations in the World Championships last month and in the recent Japan Open.

“It is when we are down that we need everyone to rally their support behind us. We hope the coaches, officials and our team-mates will be there to support one and another,” he said.

“Overall, I think the men's doubles have done quite well this year. Except for the Japan Open, we had at least one pair in the semi-finals in every other tournament. But, I guess, more is expected out of us.”

Kien Keat did not want to go into the details on a recent strained relationship with Boon Heong but said that they wished not to be distracted again on the road to their ultimate aim to win gold at the Beijing Olympics next year.

“There were problems but that is in the past. I now have more confidence in him,” he said.

“I thought it was a fluke when we won the gold medal at the Asian Games (in Doha last December). But we started winning more titles. We know that we were up there (among the best) but there was something lacking in our partnership.

“We are learning from our mistakes and hopefully, our partnership will grow stronger. We may go through ups and downs but our ultimate goal remains the same – to do well at the Olympics.”

In the Macau Open, Kien Keat-Boon Heong are the seeded seconds and they have in their quarter South Koreans Jung Jae-sung-Lee Yong-dae in their quarter.

“We have never played against them.

“If we get to play against them and win, it would mean having beaten all the top pairs in the world since we started out together last year (in October). That will be another motivation for us,” said Kien Keat.

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Cheers... chris@ccc

[Maximum]

is that a way af rexy pressuring the players??? he wants the players to work smth out by themselves n bring back good results???

[ants]

Things will work out fine..

[Oldhand]

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Tuesday September 25, 2007

Badminton: Rexy snubs players

KUALA LUMPUR: ......

“The training used to be very lively but it is much quieter now. Probably, he (Rexy) is still upset with some of us (following a string of disappointing results),” said Kien Keat.

Some of us isn't quite right. :cool:
If Rexy is upset with anyone, it must be with KKK.


Kien Keat did not want to go into the details on a recent strained relationship with Boon Heong but said that they wished not to be distracted again on the road to their ultimate aim to win gold at the Beijing Olympics next year.

“There were problems but that is in the past. I now have more confidence in him,” he said.

This must surely be a joke.
KKK, with his showy errors, is the weak one in the combination. :)
The question is whether TBH (or Rexy or the BAM or the Malaysian public) has any confidence in KKK. :rolleyes:


“But we started winning more titles. We know that we were up there (among the best) but there was something lacking in our partnership.

I'd say these were lacking in KKK's game:
Court-craft, concentration, teamwork and, most of all, humility.
There's time yet to learn.

Here's wishing KKK-TBH all the best. :)

[samuel882]

[quote=Oldhand;672557]Some of us isn't quite right. :cool:
If Rexy is upset with anyone, it must be with KKK.
- I think a series of poor results is not purely due to KKK alone making mistakes/errors. As a pair, both players should have a pair of poor games to share...




I'd say these were lacking in KKK's game:
Court-craft, concentration, teamwork and, most of all, humility.
There's time yet to learn. KKK's on-court emotion

Weakness in TBH games:
- Easily gets distract by KKK on-court's emotion
- Sometimes seems lost & doesn't know where to stand into correct position during a long rally.
- Endurance : Can't maintain his powerful smash throughout the whole match.. In many occasion, out of 3 games, he can probably produce endless deadly smashed in one..
- Nets play : Every opponents knows that, TBH preferred position is on the back. This make their games plan become so predictable ..
Top Pair such as Fu/Chai ; Feng Yun or even Current World Champs Kido/Setiawan always switch their formation from time to time to confused their opponents..



Here's wishing KKK-TBH all the best.

[blessing]

1 word in doubles partnership.. TRUST!

[kilod]

i dun want them to split.....pls think over it.....

[Sgbad]

They will not split i guess, if they were to split, i guess fhf/cy will be laughing their way to gold in the Olympics 2008.:p

[afham07]

oh noo man!! .. i hope it will not.

[ants]

Please dont speculate guys. They are not going to split.

[Pemuda]

Split or dont split, it wont change a thing. They will not win that Olympic Gold next year.

[Oldhand]

Split or dont split, it wont change a thing. They will not win that Olympic Gold next year.

I second that :p

[chris-ccc]

Split or dont split, it wont change a thing. They will not win that Olympic Gold next year.







I second that :p




But I hope that they will win that Olympic Gold next year, not only for themselves, but for Rexy and for Malaysia.

:):):)

[Pemuda]

But I hope that they will win that Olympic Gold next year, not only for themselves, but for Rexy and for Malaysia.

:):):)

It will be a looooong hope then.

[OneToughBirdie]

It will be a looooong hope then.
At least there is hope, long but better than no-hope...they are still young in age and in partnership, because they came from nowhere to ascend the top so fast and in doing so raised fans expectations to a high level, and when they are fall and in some rough times now, fans start to question their abilities. OLY08 is still a long way away, in between now and OLY there are tons of SS and Opens to play...also in the current 21-point system, winning one tourney does not guarantee winning the next one as we had witnessed so far...it is better to be off form now to humble them back to earthand to tell them there is still work to do (that's why Rexy earns his paycheck). Actually, if they keep winning, that may not be good as they may get compacent and cocky. Like it or not, KKK/TBH still is MAS best hope to medalling, hopefully gold. As for LCW, I hope he does not play so much baddy, especially, those means-nothing tourney like Kedah Open when it gets close to OLY time. Target OLY, win it and retire...that is it.

[Pemuda]

At least there is hope, long but better than no-hope...they are still young in age and in partnership, because they came from nowhere to ascend the top so fast and in doing so raised fans expectations to a high level, and when they are fall and in some rough times now, fans start to question their abilities. OLY08 is still a long way away, in between now and OLY there are tons of SS and Opens to play...also in the current 21-point system, winning one tourney does not guarantee winning the next one as we had witnessed so far...it is better to be off form now to humble them back to earthand to tell them there is still work to do (that's why Rexy earns his paycheck). Actually, if they keep winning, that may not be good as they may get compacent and cocky. Like it or not, KKK/TBH still is MAS best hope to medalling, hopefully gold. As for LCW, I hope he does not play so much baddy, especially, those means-nothing tourney like Kedah Open when it gets close to OLY time. Target OLY, win it and retire...that is it.

They came from nowhere and ascended to the top? Yes, true with the AG and AE titles. But after that, it was downhill all the way.

Having talent is one thing. But go ask Rexy and he will tell you having that god's given talent alone wont take you far. You need a strong grounded mentality as well. KKK, especially have turned into a big time prima donna after his early successes. And thats the downfall. And all these talk about KKK/TBH being still young and all is going nowhere but are mere excuses.

Olympic games is not far away, dude. And with the way things are going now, that Gold is looking more like a fantasy.

In conclusion, the realists will say there is no hope for that Olympic gold, while those fantasists will hope against the mother of all hope and will say "at least there is still hope" etc.

[chris-ccc]

Hi OneToughBirdie,

Not only for LCW and KKK/TBH to win, but for them to enjoy the Beijing Olympics 2008 as well.

They are Malaysia's best hopes.

:):):)

*

[Pemuda]

Hi OneToughBirdie,

Not only for LCW and KKK/TBH to win, but for them to enjoy the Beijing Olympics 2008 as well.

They are Malaysia's best hopes.

:):):)

*

I say LCW has a 25% chance to land that gold. The lad tends to freeze up on the big occassion.
With KKK/TBH, I say they will be knocked out early and then get to enjoy the sights in Beijing as tourists. I am sure KKK will enjoy the discos and shopping in Beijing.

[OneToughBirdie]

They came from nowhere and ascended to the top? Yes, true with the AG and AE titles. But after that, it was downhill all the way.

Having talent is one thing. But go ask Rexy and he will tell you having that god's given talent alone wont take you far. You need a strong grounded mentality as well. KKK, especially have turned into a big time prima donna after his early successes. And thats the downfall. And all these talk about KKK/TBH being still young and all is going nowhere but are mere excuses.

Olympic games is not far away, dude. And with the way things are going now, that Gold is looking more like a fantasy.

In conclusion, the realists will say there is no hope for that Olympic gold, while those fantasists will hope against the mother of all hope and will say "at least there is still hope" etc.

OLY is 10 month away...that is a long time in baddy time...not too long ago, LCW tanked and was labeled a write-off, in less than a 10-month period, he rebounded with IO07 win and now considered a contestant for OLY gold. Yes, LCW tends to froze at majors, I say it is not a lack of talent but the pressure gets to him. BAM and the coaches should realize this flaw and correct it, how I have no damn idea..hahaha!
A players or players who are winning and peaking now, say Markis/Kendra, may tank come OLY time, or in the very next Open SS. Hey! LD may froze at OLY being played at home, who knows? Or CJ may not even make it to play at OLY, again who knows? TH may surprise us all and win the darn thing again with him already won OLY04 and really has less pressure to win this time around. A lot depends on the draw in OLY and the players mental preparation.
Agree KKK/TBH is down now, but with their age, they are still young and it is Rexy job to pick them up, still MAS best hope for a medal, whether you agree or not. If you write them off, then MAS really has no hope for MD medal, unless you think uncles LWW/CTF can deliver the goods given them one year older in OLY.
With talent, at least Rexy has a chance to mould them back into world beaters, with no talent, there is really no hope of that happening.
I am saying there is plenty of Opens to play between now and OLY08, KKK/TBH can rebound and win in any of the Opens as LCW did, other current winners e.g. Markis/Kendra may falter and tank too...the game of baddy with the 21-point system is unforgiving compare to the 15-point system, one day a player or players can be champion and the next day, becomes a loser. It is funny that when KKK/TBH are winning, fans are coming along for the ride and singing the accolades, and when they lose only to hear the same fans jumping off the wagon as if the wagons are infested with fleas and screaming at them loud.
Are fans fickle, no, actually MAS fans are passionate and love their players and the game of feathercock so much that they actually cannot take losing and that is healthy for baddy in MAS. Permuda, I think you hail from trengganu, I think you are a MAS fan in your heart, wanted MAS to win as I do, but posts negative comments cos you hate them losing or I could be wrong...;)

[OneToughBirdie]

I say LCW has a 25% chance to land that gold. The lad tends to freeze up on the big occassion.
With KKK/TBH, I say they will be knocked out early and then get to enjoy the sights in Beijing as tourists. I am sure KKK will enjoy the discos and shopping in Beijing.

Heard the discos in Beiging is hot and so are the chinese chicks there...hahaha!!!:D:D:p:p

[ctjcad]

Permuda, I think you hail from trengganu, I think you are a MAS fan in your heart, wanted MAS to win as I do, but posts negative comments cos you hate them losing or I could be wrong...;)
..I am quite sure also Pemuda is a passionate and big fan of M'sian badminton:cool:..But, at the same time, i don't think he is exclusively looking negatively at M'sian badminton. From reading his posts, which may sound like he's discounting and bashing all the recent M'sian success, I think he is quite a critical and i would say a realistic poster who posts with candor while looking at the overall picture..:cool:

[chris-ccc]

I say LCW has a 25% chance to land that gold.




Hi Pemuda,

Agree with you that LCW has a 25% chance to land GOLD @Beijing Olympics 2008.

However, I also think that KKK/TBH are also getting a 25% chance to land GOLD too.

Perhaps, I am too optimistic for them. :confused::confused::confused:

Cheers... chris@ccc

[OneToughBirdie]

Hi Pemuda,

Agree with you that LCW has a 25% chance to land GOLD @Beijing Olympics 2008.

However, I also think that KKK/TBH are also getting a 25% chance to land GOLD too.

Perhaps, I am too optimistic for them. :confused::confused::confused:

Cheers... chris@ccc
Actually 25% chance for gold for KKK/TBH and LCW are not too bad odds...what then is the % for the other 6/7 top pairs in MD and the other top 4/5 in MS to split the remaining 75%...hehehe!!!:p;):D

[Pemuda]

OLY is 10 month away...that is a long time in baddy time...not too long ago, LCW tanked and was labeled a write-off, in less than a 10-month period, he rebounded with IO07 win and now considered a contestant for OLY gold. Yes, LCW tends to froze at majors, I say it is not a lack of talent but the pressure gets to him. BAM and the coaches should realize this flaw and correct it, how I have no damn idea..hahaha!
A players or players who are winning and peaking now, say Markis/Kendra, may tank come OLY time, or in the very next Open SS. Hey! LD may froze at OLY being played at home, who knows? Or CJ may not even make it to play at OLY, again who knows? TH may surprise us all and win the darn thing again with him already won OLY04 and really has less pressure to win this time around. A lot depends on the draw in OLY and the players mental preparation.
Agree KKK/TBH is down now, but with their age, they are still young and it is Rexy job to pick them up, still MAS best hope for a medal, whether you agree or not. If you write them off, then MAS really has no hope for MD medal, unless you think uncles LWW/CTF can deliver the goods given them one year older in OLY.
With talent, at least Rexy has a chance to mould them back into world beaters, with no talent, there is really no hope of that happening.
I am saying there is plenty of Opens to play between now and OLY08, KKK/TBH can rebound and win in any of the Opens as LCW did, other current winners e.g. Markis/Kendra may falter and tank too...the game of baddy with the 21-point system is unforgiving compare to the 15-point system, one day a player or players can be champion and the next day, becomes a loser. It is funny that when KKK/TBH are winning, fans are coming along for the ride and singing the accolades, and when they lose only to hear the same fans jumping off the wagon as if the wagons are infested with fleas and screaming at them loud.
Are fans fickle, no, actually MAS fans are passionate and love their players and the game of feathercock so much that they actually cannot take losing and that is healthy for baddy in MAS. Permuda, I think you hail from trengganu, I think you are a MAS fan in your heart, wanted MAS to win as I do, but posts negative comments cos you hate them losing or I could be wrong...;)

We are talking about the Olympic games, dude. Whats at stake is that Gold. The olympic games is a big time affair, and sadly Malaysian shuttlers are pretty weak upstairs. Skills and talents wise, our top players are more or less at par with the best in the world. But sadly, skills and talents wont win you em' big titles. You need that mental strength as well. And this is where our shuttlers fail big time. Our shuttlers are a pampered lot and the Oympic games is no Philippines Open or Kedah Open. There will be huge amount of pressure there, and our shuttlers dont like that. Mentality are shuttlers are weak, not grounded and likes to to be molly cuddled.

I will make it clear again. In Beijing, only LCW stands a chance to bag that elusive gold. I rate his chances at 25% only. Why? Because he is not a big time player. He choke easily in big events. As for the rest, I am sorry it is zero chance.

I am Malaysian. And I am a realist. And 10 months is not a long time away. Ask any top rate sportsperson, and they will tell you that. This is no negative comments. KKK/TBH just dont cut it, I am sorry. They are flash in the pan.

[Pemuda]

Heard the discos in Beiging is hot and so are the chinese chicks there...hahaha!!!:D:D:p:p

The disco arena is where KKK/TBH, KKK especially will score big. They will get their Olympic gold there in the discos.

[Pemuda]

Hi Pemuda,

Agree with you that LCW has a 25% chance to land GOLD @Beijing Olympics 2008.

However, I also think that KKK/TBH are also getting a 25% chance to land GOLD too.

Perhaps, I am too optimistic for them. :confused::confused::confused:

Cheers... chris@ccc

I put my money on KKK/TBH being knocked out early, 2/3 round?

[samuel882]

Flash in the PAN.. meaning ONE tournament champion right:cool:

[s1nn3r]

Flash in the PAN?
Fresh in the PAN... not yet cooked meat :p

[ants]

No matter weather they win or lose for sure.. we have to support them. Encourage is better than discourage. Its not good to put or express negativity upon people. Im sure at times we face difficult time..but there is always people to bring us up and give us hope. And Hope is all they need. Hope will give them the desire to chase their dreams.

[chris-ccc]

No matter weather they win or lose for sure.. we have to support them. Encourage is better than discourage. Its not good to put or express negativity upon people. Im sure at times we face difficult time..but there is always people to bring us up and give us hope. And Hope is all they need. Hope will give them the desire to chase their dreams.




Yes... agree with ants. We should hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

:):):)
*

[OneToughBirdie]

We are talking about the Olympic games, dude. Whats at stake is that Gold. The olympic games is a big time affair, and sadly Malaysian shuttlers are pretty weak upstairs. Skills and talents wise, our top players are more or less at par with the best in the world. But sadly, skills and talents wont win you em' big titles. You need that mental strength as well. And this is where our shuttlers fail big time. Our shuttlers are a pampered lot and the Oympic games is no Philippines Open or Kedah Open. There will be huge amount of pressure there, and our shuttlers dont like that. Mentality are shuttlers are weak, not grounded and likes to to be molly cuddled.

I will make it clear again. In Beijing, only LCW stands a chance to bag that elusive gold. I rate his chances at 25% only. Why? Because he is not a big time player. He choke easily in big events. As for the rest, I am sorry it is zero chance.

I am Malaysian. And I am a realist. And 10 months is not a long time away. Ask any top rate sportsperson, and they will tell you that. This is no negative comments. KKK/TBH just dont cut it, I am sorry. They are flash in the pan.
I quite agree with you on the mental strength side of MAS players and you made some good comments...still I feel you wanna see MAS do well...;)

[OneToughBirdie]

Pemuda, if KKK/TBH wins OLY08 gold, I don't think you would be too upset though even though that would make your prediction wrong? ;)

[chris-ccc]

Actually 25% chance for gold for KKK/TBH and LCW are not too bad odds...what then is the % for the other 6/7 top pairs in MD and the other top 4/5 in MS to split the remaining 75%...hehehe!!!:p;):D




Hi OneToughBirdie,

When I said, for each KKK/TBH and LCW having 25% chance for gold@Beijing Olympics 2008, I meant that each of them will at least get to the semi-finals and each will have equal chances to win GOLD, as with their other semi-finalists.

I have high hopes for them. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

[samuel882]

Flash in the PAN?
Fresh in the PAN... not yet cooked meat :p

They simply need a good cook ;)

[OneToughBirdie]

..I am quite sure also Pemuda is a passionate and big fan of M'sian badminton:cool:..But, at the same time, i don't think he is exclusively looking negatively at M'sian badminton. From reading his posts, which may sound like he's discounting and bashing all the recent M'sian success, I think he is quite a critical and i would say a realistic poster who posts with candor while looking at the overall picture..:cool:

I know...Pemuda is a MAS supporter...just his way of talking reverse psychology...hehehe!!!:D;):p

[ChompChomp]

never say never!!!

remember Kim DM/Ra KM were expected by fans all over the world to win GOLD? they were unbeaten for like more then a year but end up beaten by the denmark pair in early round...so sad... im sad...they were sad...every fans around the world sad too :crying::crying::crying:

[Pemuda]

Flash in the PAN.. meaning ONE tournament champion right:cool:

It could also mean one season wonder i.e. hot for a year, not just ONE tournament.

Here's a pic to help you in kiddie school. ;)

[Pemuda]

Pemuda, if KKK/TBH wins OLY08 gold, I don't think you would be too upset though even though that would make your prediction wrong? ;)

Tell you what, I would like to be proven wrong here. If that 'glamour boy aka prima donna', KKK & TBH take that Olympic gold in Beijing next year, I buy a nice Italian dinner for you and 10 others here. Choice of Italian restaurant you decide.

Honestly, I would really really really love to be proven wrong here. I really honestly doubt KKK/TBH are Olympic gold type of quality. Disco, Gucci, Glamour quality, yes. But Olympic gold, no.

[samuel882]

Remember, P. Gopichand from India, once an AE MS champs too. what do he achieve after that??
Don't always bash them, young players needs encouragement..

[Pemuda]

Remember, P. Gopichand from India, once an AE MS champs too. what do he achieve after that??
Don't always bash them, young players needs encouragement..

Remember Hafiz, he won that All England too. He is still young, so according to you shall we continue to 'encourage' and molly cuddle this guy?

[badMania]

It could also mean one season wonder i.e. hot for a year, not just ONE tournament.


KKK/TBH is not even "hot" for half-a-year.

[Pemuda]

KKK/TBH is not even "hot" for half-a-year.

But according to samuel882, they are still young and therefore we must treat them with care and love. They need love and pampering.

[samuel882]

I've just learn an English Word today ..

Encourage = love & pampering

[OneToughBirdie]

Tell you what, I would like to be proven wrong here. If that 'glamour boy aka prima donna', KKK & TBH take that Olympic gold in Beijing next year, I buy a nice Italian dinner for you and 10 others here. Choice of Italian restaurant you decide.

Honestly, I would really really really love to be proven wrong here. I really honestly doubt KKK/TBH are Olympic gold type of quality. Disco, Gucci, Glamour quality, yes. But Olympic gold, no.
I do not want to take credit for my buddy Cooler's comment that after KKK/TBH won so many tourneys since they paired up, other countries began to study their play and develop strategies to beat them. And when they start to lose confidence and play badly, the situation worsen and they start to lose.
If this duo will not win another tourney from now on, at least they have done MAS proud to win the AE after 25 years and the Asian Games. But because they are still young and have talents, hopefully (a big hope that is) Rexy can correct and steer them straight.
As for the Italian dinner, that would be nice, but it would costs me more for airfare, accomodation and time away from my work...Pemuda, we MAS citizen and ex-citizen would like to see our players win the elusive gold in OLY or WC, at least in my lifetime. Why not we do it this way...if this duo win OLY gold, you can post the Italian dinner on BC for all MAS fans to salivate...hehehe!!:D:p;)

[OneToughBirdie]

Remember Hafiz, he won that All England too. He is still young, so according to you shall we continue to 'encourage' and molly cuddle this guy?
HH if he plays for CHN is history to make way for new players...not that HH lacks talent, he is talented but his seemingly lack of conditioning makes me question why bother sending him to participate at all...look at LD who technically is not as gifted as TH or LCW, but he more than make up the deficiency with his incredible fitness, reflex, speed and power game, that is why LD won so many tourneys and ranked #1 for so long. In MAS, I do not know how you can replace HH given he is the 2nd or 3rd best player in MAS MS lineup now, to remove him and let a new prospect takes his place (which make sense), that would be political suicide for the head coach and would not fly in MAS, which I think you know what I mean, especially if the new prospect tank and got knock-out early.

[ctjcad]

Tell you what, I would like to be proven wrong here. If that 'glamour boy aka prima donna', KKK & TBH take that Olympic gold in Beijing next year, I buy a nice Italian dinner for you and 10 others here. Choice of Italian restaurant you decide.

Honestly, I would really really really love to be proven wrong here. I really honestly doubt KKK/TBH are Olympic gold type of quality. Disco, Gucci, Glamour quality, yes. But Olympic gold, no.
:p..Pemuda, how abt this. If KKK & TBH do win the OG next yr, instead of treating the M'sian BCers to a nice Italian dinner, how abt if you take out KKK & TBH on a shopping spree in Beijing..I think that sounds better:p:D;)

[eaglehelang]

This is no negative comments. KKK/TBH just dont cut it, I am sorry. They are flash in the pan.


Pemuda, you've said this many times over in forum. Just out of curiousity, do you think Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan are also flash in the pan?

Of course Kido/Setiawan are more experienced. Prior to winning the World Champs in Aug, for almost one year they did not win any major titles. Last win was in Sept/Oct 2006 at HOng Kong and China Open. That's many months of drought.
Another point I would like to ask the Indonesians : Were Kido/Setiawan bashed, critized, written off, etc in that one year ? Just wanna know what's the culture like there as comparision.

I can't read Chinese, so for those who know, were there much criticism in China for Fu/Cai after they lost in early rounds of World CHamp and Japan Open ? They looked unbeatenable in May, June, July this year.

Whether of not KKK/TBH can win the gold, remains to be seen.
The difference would be Rexy is not the type of coach who just stand by and let them be a flash in the pan. That means not pampered but pushing them hard.
If KKK/TBH were not mentally strong enough, they would not have won AG (and still be the reigning champion till 2010) and AE. Even if they were new pair, still need determination to win- something we have not seen in Malaysia for some time.

[BadFever]

:p..Pemuda, how abt this. If KKK & TBH do win the OG next yr, ...

If KKK/TBH win OG next yr, I bet Pemuda will start a new thread claiming KKK/TBH still not good enough and will never be able to defend their title in the coming OG. ;) They are just never good enough for his standard, right Pemuda? :p:p:p

[ctjcad]

Another point I would like to ask the Indonesians : Were Kido/Setiawan bashed, critized, written off, etc in that one year ? Just wanna know what's the culture like there as comparision.
(i've posted something similar to this in another thread)..
..there were definitely some optimisms after their success in 2006. And i know there were several BC members who were riding on their bandwagon during those times. But after those successes, only a few stayed true to their loyalty (namely badMania;)). I, myself, only kept a "cautiously optimistic" approach, knowing well that they were still young and their quick rise/success during that period will be hard to maintain (whilst also reminded of what happened to Luluk & Alvent). And true enough, they had a pretty rough struggle from there on til this past WC (a span of abt 9 months)..;)..While in comparison, KKK & TBH, on the other hand, are still yearning for their first "major" title in abt 7 months (last major win was in March '07, Swiss Open)..

[eaglehelang]

(i've posted something similar to this in another thread)..
I, myself, only kept a "cautiously optimistic" approach, knowing well that they were still young and their quick rise/success during that period will be hard to maintain (whilst also reminded of what happened to Luluk & Alvent). And true enough, they had a pretty rough struggle from there on til this past WC (a span of abt 9 months)..;)..While in comparison, KKK & TBH, on the other hand, are still yearning for their first "major" title in abt 7 months (last major win was in March '07, Swiss Open)..

Thanks ctjcad.
I wasn't being clear in my post - I meant the public in general, media, government, PBSI. KKK/TBH are pressured by NSC (they were called up by the NSC director), media, public, told repeatedly badminton is best hope for Olympic gold - even I am sick of reading it. LCW said in a CCTV interview that it's 'a lot of pressure' for him in 2004 Olympic, 2006, 2007 World Champs. Hence reinforces the view that Malaysians are mentally weak to win big ones.

I'm not comparing it to the Korean pair- Jung/LYD, the WC runner-up, cos I don't know how crazy the Koreans are about badminton. They won a few titles in 2006, in 2007 they won Korean Open and Thailand Open(or was it Lee/Hwang?). They did have Olympic Champs and World Champs that've retired by now. So, what was the response whenever they lost, they are still young? Did the Koreans critize them?

[badMania]

(i've posted something similar to this in another thread)..
..there were definitely some optimisms after their success in 2006. And i know there were several BC members who were riding on their bandwagon during those times. But after those successes, only a few stayed true to their loyalty (namely badMania;)). I, myself, only kept a "cautiously optimistic" approach, knowing well that they were still young and their quick rise/success during that period will be hard to maintain (whilst also reminded of what happened to Luluk & Alvent). And true enough, they had a pretty rough struggle from there on til this past WC (a span of abt 9 months)..;)..While in comparison, KKK & TBH, on the other hand, are still yearning for their first "major" title in abt 7 months (last major win was in March '07, Swiss Open)..

Remember that Kido/Hendra were catching attention as early as after they beat Candra/Sigit in the Indonesia Open Final 2005 (after they won the Asian Championships earlier). From there onwards, they continued their good progress to win the SEA Games Individual Gold (beating Chan Chong Ming/Koo Kien Keat in the SF and Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto in the Final).

Indeed, as Chris mentioned, the first half of 2006 was a wretched time for Kido/Hendra as they struggled to maintain their consistency. Nevertheless, things began to improve in the second half as they won the HKG Open, China Open and Invitational World Cup. They also beat Fu/Cai TWICE during that period. If not for that loss to Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong in the SF of the Asian Games Individual Event, I believe they will take the gold :cool: Another painful defeat was to Anthony Clark/Robert Blair in the WC QF after such a dominance in the first set.

Subsequent losses to Koo/Tan in the SS events (twice) affected their morale and their best showings were only semi-finals in the Malaysia and Singapore SS (losing to Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah). They also lost to Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae (Korea SS) and Han Sang Hoon/Cho Gun Woo (All England).

However, similar last year, things improved after June :) They appeared in their first Final since the Invitational World Cup 2006, losing to Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (albeit with some dubious line calls). Since then, it was up and up, winning the World Championships and Chinese Taipei Open. Of course, they also lost surprisingly in the SF of Japan Open SS to Luluk/Alvent :mad:

I think most if not ALL top MD pairs will have similar experience. Fu/Cai also "lost their touch" from their victory at the WC 2006 (Sep 2006) until the Singapore Open 2007 (May 2007) when they won another big title. Or when they first started: winning the Swiss Open (March 2004) and only a year later they won another title in German Open (March 2005).

[ctjcad]

Thanks ctjcad.
I wasn't being clear in my post - I meant the public in general, media, government, PBSI. KKK/TBH are pressured by NSC (they were called up by the NSC director), media, public, told repeatedly badminton is best hope for Olympic gold - even I am sick of reading it. LCW said in a CCTV interview that it's 'a lot of pressure' for him in 2004 Olympic, 2006, 2007 World Champs. Hence reinforces the view that Malaysians are mentally weak to win big ones.
...(from what i've read online and in newspapers) Markis & Hendra weren't being solely put in a spotlight by the INA'n medias, public etc., during those times (as mentioned by badMania). Pressured? Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps because they were still quite new and still building up their status as INA's #1 MD pair. Add to that, the media focused on Taufik more. But certainly, the whole INA squad was put in a spotlight, esp. after the debacle during this yr's INA Open, where INA failed to win any titles. It continued til the start of the WC, as talks of "Can any INA player(s) win a WC title? Can Taufik win a Gold for his daughter? Will the INA squad go home empty handed again, just like in last yr's WC?" reverberated throughout the media. Ironically, abt 3 months later after that debacle in INA Open, all those questions seemed to be forgotten, as INA was able to bag 2 WC titles.;)

[eaglehelang]

I think most if not ALL top MD pairs will have similar experience. Fu/Cai also "lost their touch" from their victory at the WC 2006 (Sep 2006) until the Singapore Open 2007 (May 2007) when they won another big title. Or when they first started: winning the Swiss Open (March 2004) and only a year later they won another title in German Open (March 2005).


Thanks for the history breakdown. I'm thinking along those lines too.
Fu/Cai lost more than win in their early years. I noticed Luluk/Alvent haven't won a title since Indonesia Open in Dec 2004. They've made a comeback in recent months just to lose to teammates(Japan Open).

The Msia veteran pair CTF/LWW didn't fare very much better either, winning titles once a year, the latest being ABC in April 2007.


In 2006, no MD pair won for more than 2 times in a row. In 2007, interestingly, one pair/country will dominate for a few months.

1st quarter was Msia thru KKK/TBH. Korea sneaked in to win one title, Korean Open, LYD/Jung.
2nd quarter was China thru Fu/Cai. It split over a little to July, China Masters but that was as you said dubious line calls. Korea again sneaked in to win the Thailand Open
3rd quarter - Indonesia thru Tony/Candra, Kido/Setiawan.

4th quarter- who knows? makes very interesting watch.

Point is, it's up and down, who knows who will take the OG gold till Aug 2008. KKK/TBH will need to work hard to improve of course, and as a Malaysian I support our players.

[olympic]

There are always ups & down in badminton,especially with so much competitive nowadays in all the departments(MS,MD,WS,etc...).We can't always bashing the players when they go downhill.Instead we must give encouragement,be patient... There are no "FOREVER WINNER" in this world.Take a look at LD,FHF/CY,XXF&ZN,they also not done very well in last few tourneys.Do you think their fans "desperately" bashing them just because they lost in few tournament?I'm 100% sure their fans still have faith in them to deliver in OG'08. For KKK-TBH,we cannot rule out their ability to deliver gold in the OG'08,provided they train hard,improve on their mentality&attitude.

[amaze]

If KKK/TBH win OG next yr, I bet Pemuda will start a new thread claiming KKK/TBH still not good enough and will never be able to defend their title in the coming OG. ;) They are just never good enough for his standard, right Pemuda? :p:p:p

spot on, bad fever ? :p:p:p

[samuel882]

If KKK/TBH were not mentally strong enough, they would not have won AG (and still be the reigning champion till 2010) and AE. Even if they were new pair, still need determination to win- something we have not seen in Malaysia for some time.

Good Quote !! :)

[nauyuchi]

I put my money on KKK/TBH being knocked out early, 2/3 round?


wah that's quite mean

[chris-ccc]

wah that's quite mean




Hey nauyuchi,

No... Pemuda is not meant to be mean, but is meant to send a Wake Up call to both KKK & TBH. :):):)

I don't blame what was posted by Pemuda... because we (including Rexy) know the talent/ability of KKK & TBH.

And we all know that it is better to have a little ability and use it well than to have much ability and make poor use of it.

Cheers... chris@ccc

[Pemuda]

If KKK/TBH win OG next yr, I bet Pemuda will start a new thread claiming KKK/TBH still not good enough and will never be able to defend their title in the coming OG. ;) They are just never good enough for his standard, right Pemuda? :p:p:p

That aint gonna happen. KKK/TBH just dont have in them to win that gold, period.

[Pemuda]

I've just learn an English Word today ..

Encourage = love & pampering

Dude, whats wrong with you? You are sounding more like a parrot. Some kind of mental dificiency or something?

[Pemuda]

HH if he plays for CHN is history to make way for new players...not that HH lacks talent, he is talented but his seemingly lack of conditioning makes me question why bother sending him to participate at all...look at LD who technically is not as gifted as TH or LCW, but he more than make up the deficiency with his incredible fitness, reflex, speed and power game, that is why LD won so many tourneys and ranked #1 for so long. In MAS, I do not know how you can replace HH given he is the 2nd or 3rd best player in MAS MS lineup now, to remove him and let a new prospect takes his place (which make sense), that would be political suicide for the head coach and would not fly in MAS, which I think you know what I mean, especially if the new prospect tank and got knock-out early.

Very easy. Just drop the lad for good. BAM will save money in travel and accomodation. Bite that bullet, and blood the younger boys.

[Pemuda]

I do not want to take credit for my buddy Cooler's comment that after KKK/TBH won so many tourneys since they paired up, other countries began to study their play and develop strategies to beat them. And when they start to lose confidence and play badly, the situation worsen and they start to lose.
If this duo will not win another tourney from now on, at least they have done MAS proud to win the AE after 25 years and the Asian Games. But because they are still young and have talents, hopefully (a big hope that is) Rexy can correct and steer them straight.
As for the Italian dinner, that would be nice, but it would costs me more for airfare, accomodation and time away from my work...Pemuda, we MAS citizen and ex-citizen would like to see our players win the elusive gold in OLY or WC, at least in my lifetime. Why not we do it this way...if this duo win OLY gold, you can post the Italian dinner on BC for all MAS fans to salivate...hehehe!!:D:p;)

Malaysia very easily feel proud.

Reminds me of our football team. We got nicely hammered in the Asian Cup despite being the host. But in the Merdeka tournament, we beat Myannmar in the final and suddenly FAM & everyone went about being proud and all.

[Pemuda]

Pemuda, you've said this many times over in forum. Just out of curiousity, do you think Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan are also flash in the pan?

Of course Kido/Setiawan are more experienced. Prior to winning the World Champs in Aug, for almost one year they did not win any major titles. Last win was in Sept/Oct 2006 at HOng Kong and China Open. That's many months of drought.
Another point I would like to ask the Indonesians : Were Kido/Setiawan bashed, critized, written off, etc in that one year ? Just wanna know what's the culture like there as comparision.

I can't read Chinese, so for those who know, were there much criticism in China for Fu/Cai after they lost in early rounds of World CHamp and Japan Open ? They looked unbeatenable in May, June, July this year.

Whether of not KKK/TBH can win the gold, remains to be seen.
The difference would be Rexy is not the type of coach who just stand by and let them be a flash in the pan. That means not pampered but pushing them hard.
If KKK/TBH were not mentally strong enough, they would not have won AG (and still be the reigning champion till 2010) and AE. Even if they were new pair, still need determination to win- something we have not seen in Malaysia for some time.

I have said that winning and losing are all part and parcel when one is competing. In KKK/TBH's case, the issue here is their attitude. You need to understand that, in the first place.

After the AE & AG, KKK especially turned into a big time charlie. He got chided numerous times by Rexy for showboating, missing training etc etc. Basically its the attitude.

If KKK is mentally strong, his feet would still be firmly be on the ground after winning the AE & AG titles.

[badMania]

Dude, whats wrong with you? You are sounding more like a parrot. Some kind of mental dificiency or something?

Haha...go easy on our Sammie boy.....he's probably the one that needs pampering....oh...and I thought his birthday was just yesterday (wondering how old is he....:D)

[badMania]

(i've posted something similar to this in another thread)..
..there were definitely some optimisms after their success in 2006. And i know there were several BC members who were riding on their bandwagon during those times. But after those successes, only a few stayed true to their loyalty (namely badMania;)). I, myself, only kept a "cautiously optimistic" approach, knowing well that they were still young and their quick rise/success during that period will be hard to maintain (whilst also reminded of what happened to Luluk & Alvent). And true enough, they had a pretty rough struggle from there on til this past WC (a span of abt 9 months)..;)..While in comparison, KKK & TBH, on the other hand, are still yearning for their first "major" title in abt 7 months (last major win was in March '07, Swiss Open)..

Even after being crowned World Champion, both Kido/Hendra and Nova/Butet WERE NEVER TREATED AS GODS. I think the key is the media and government's attention. Both Hafiz and KKK/TBH were showered with gifts and attentions once they won the All-England. This caused them to lose direction and of course became distracted.

Likewise, when Kido/Hendra or Nova/Butet were experiencing problems, the Indonesian media was not as intense as the Malaysian media in criticizing the players. The coaches are also not as outspoken as Rexy and we hardly hear anything from them, except for some comment.

[OneToughBirdie]

I have said that winning and losing are all part and parcel when one is competing. In KKK/TBH's case, the issue here is their attitude. You need to understand that, in the first place.

After the AE & AG, KKK especially turned into a big time charlie. He got chided numerous times by Rexy for showboating, missing training etc etc. Basically its the attitude.

If KKK is mentally strong, his feet would still be firmly be on the ground after winning the AE & AG titles.

Winning AE and AG, and rewarded with all the goodies, special treatment and celebrity status, media coverage, datukship, etc. it is hard to be humble especially when KKK is so young. TBH, I heard is more down to earth.
After their recent loses, hopefully they realize what they brought them the fame and rewards, it is simply winning badminton games...and there are no bigger rewards than OLY, besides the fame and crowned OLY champ, I heard winning gold is worth RM3000 per month lifetime, the amount could have increased as the RM3000 (gold), RM1500 (silver) RM750 (bronze) was announced a few years back...and that should fire up any players to train hard and play their best baddy.
I recalled KKK was reprimanded by Rexy for missing training and so forth...but that was past but we have to move forward to OLY08...maybe TBH/KKK have one more kick and may still be around in OLY12, but a lot of other players LCW included would not be around...we should encourage them if we wanna see MAS win. I really can't see you not wanting MAS to win, maybe you are frustrated with KKK antics. You said, OLY08 is not far away, if KKK/TBH is that bad, which other MD would go then, their result are worse and more undependable.
Pemuda, MO08 is still going on...KKK/TBH are still in the play and could win??? :D:p;)

[Pemuda]

Haha...go easy on our Sammie boy.....he's probably the one that needs pampering....oh...and I thought his birthday was just yesterday (wondering how old is he....:D)

Happpy Birthdaaay to yooooou, Haaaaappy Biiirthdaay to samuel882, Happppy Haaaaaaaapppppppy Biiiiiiiirthdaaaaaaay toooooooo yoooooooooou.

[Pemuda]

Winning AE and AG, and rewarded with all the goodies, special treatment and celebrity status, media coverage, datukship, etc. it is hard to be humble especially when KKK is so young. TBH, I heard is more down to earth.
After their recent loses, hopefully they realize what they brought them the fame and rewards, it is simply winning badminton games...and there are no bigger rewards than OLY, besides the fame and crowned OLY champ, I heard winning gold is worth RM3000 per month lifetime, the amount could have increased as the RM3000 (gold), RM1500 (silver) RM750 (bronze) was announced a few years back...and that should fire up any players to train hard and play their best baddy.
I recalled KKK was reprimanded by Rexy for missing training and so forth...but that was past but we have to move forward to OLY08...maybe TBH/KKK have one more kick and may still be around in OLY12, but a lot of other players LCW included would not be around...we should encourage them if we wanna see MAS win. I really can't see you not wanting MAS to win, maybe you are frustrated with KKK antics. You said, OLY08 is not far away, if KKK/TBH is that bad, which other MD would go then, their result are worse and more undependable.
Pemuda, MO08 is still going on...KKK/TBH are still in the play and could win??? :D:p;)

Yeah, they could bag that MO. But its the Olympic and the WC that set the big boys apart from the prima donnas.

Encourage a prima donna? Sorry, that wont cut it. Action needs to be taken on those with attitude problems. And with KKK, clearly it is the attitude or else Rexy wont be fuming mad.

I want Msia to do well. But the only way to do so is to be brave and bite that bullet. Unleash that whip and crack down on those shuttlers with attitude problems. Drop them and let them be in the cold. This is the only way to go.

[Cheung]

Unleash that whip and crack down on those shuttlers with attitude problems. Drop them and let them be in the cold. This is the only way to go.But what happens if they perform better than the others. Judging by their history, they have the still have the potential. Will you consign them to the scrapheap?

CTF/LWW combination could have been dropped a while back (going back a year and a half ago). But what did they do?...Although not winning titles, they were performing better than the other MAS pairs in that time and still kept their places on the team.

The danish pairing of JR and Lars Paaske performed very poorly until recently. Would you have frozen them out?

Easy to say drop the KKK,TBH combo - harder for the manager to do so in practice. Drop the pair into the cold completely is a risky proposition. Yes, it 'might' work...what will you do if it backfires? Does putting them in the cold have a greater chance of prolonged success?

Every sports person needs to find their rhythm and match fitness. Match fitness only comes from participating in tournaments. Footballers are another well known example where match fitness counts.

This is where the team managers and coaches have to balance the approach to their players.

[ants]

But what happens if they perform better than the others. Judging by their history, they have the still have the potential. Will you consign them to the scrapheap?

CTF/LWW combination could have been dropped a while back (going back a year and a half ago). But what did they do?...Although not winning titles, they were performing better than the other MAS pairs in that time and still kept their places on the team.

The danish pairing of JR and Lars Paaske performed very poorly until recently. Would you have frozen them out?

Easy to say drop the KKK,TBH combo - harder for the manager to do so in practice. Drop the pair into the cold completely is a risky proposition. Yes, it 'might' work...what will you do if it backfires? Does putting them in the cold have a greater chance of prolonged success?

Every sports person needs to find their rhythm and match fitness. Match fitness only comes from participating in tournaments. Footballers are another well known example where match fitness counts.

This is where the team managers and coaches have to balance the approach to their players.

I agree with Cheung.... :)

[eaglehelang]

Encourage a prima donna? Sorry, that wont cut it. Action needs to be taken on those with attitude problems. And with KKK, clearly it is the attitude or else Rexy wont be fuming mad.

I want Msia to do well. But the only way to do so is to be brave and bite that bullet. Unleash that whip and crack down on those shuttlers with attitude problems. Drop them and let them be in the cold. This is the only way to go.

originally posted by Badmania: I think the key is the media and government's attention. Both Hafiz and KKK/TBH were showered with gifts and attentions once they won the All-England. This caused them to lose direction and of course became distracted.

Likewise, when Kido/Hendra or Nova/Butet were experiencing problems, the Indonesian media was not as intense as the Malaysian media in criticizing the players. The coaches are also not as outspoken as Rexy and we hardly hear anything from them, except for some comment.



1) As someone else have posted, there aren't any better MD pairs in Msia at the current moment, so dropping the better players (unless you're refering to Hafiz in MS) is suicidal to the Malaysian challenge.

If Fu/Cai, Kido/Setiawan are Malaysians, when they were going thru lean months without titles, would you have written them off as flash in the pan, mentally weak, etc,etc. And would the veteran pairs (Tony/Chandra, the 2 Denmark pairs) been written off as old uncles who can't cut it anymore?

The Korean pair, LYD/Jung best outing recently was runner-up at WC, not too bad for young pair. Before that was winning Korean Open in Jan 2007.

This from countries that have produced World, Olympic and AG champs - their current top MD pairs have months of not winning titles.
So, what would one expect from good ol Malaysia, who have never won? Not to say Malaysian players can't do it, but are we expecting too much from the long years of waiting?


2) How do we know whether the other countries MD Pairs have attitude problems or not ? The coaches didn't comment much in public. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.
Though after the losts at WC 2007 Li Yong Bo did comment along the lines of the players must be mentally stronger and not be affected by the fans. And that from China, the strongest country in badminton world.

[Pemuda]

But what happens if they perform better than the others. Judging by their history, they have the still have the potential. Will you consign them to the scrapheap?

CTF/LWW combination could have been dropped a while back (going back a year and a half ago). But what did they do?...Although not winning titles, they were performing better than the other MAS pairs in that time and still kept their places on the team.

The danish pairing of JR and Lars Paaske performed very poorly until recently. Would you have frozen them out?

Easy to say drop the KKK,TBH combo - harder for the manager to do so in practice. Drop the pair into the cold completely is a risky proposition. Yes, it 'might' work...what will you do if it backfires? Does putting them in the cold have a greater chance of prolonged success?

Every sports person needs to find their rhythm and match fitness. Match fitness only comes from participating in tournaments. Footballers are another well known example where match fitness counts.

This is where the team managers and coaches have to balance the approach to their players.

Dont send them to the scrapheap first. A stint in the cold will be sufficient as the first step.

I used to be involved in football sometime back. Once I saw how a Korean coach handled a youth team squad. This Korean coach was no nonsense, in short he was like a dictator and his players were scared shitless of him. I saw him slap a player who was fooling around in training. And please dont get me wrong, I am not for such treatment. But my point is that BAM needs to get no nonsense with the shuttlers. By looking at this korean football coach, I can see why Korea have went on and played in numerous World Cups while Malaysia is still struggling to beat mighty Laos.

In KKK, we have a talented shuttler but after AE & AG, success has gone to his head big time. The lad needs to be taught a lesson. Rexy is fuming mad because he is a professional and cannot tolerate such prima donna attitude. KKK's attitude has resulted in a strained relationship with TBH. What else more needs to be said.

[Pemuda]

originally posted by Badmania: I think the key is the media and government's attention. Both Hafiz and KKK/TBH were showered with gifts and attentions once they won the All-England. This caused them to lose direction and of course became distracted.

Likewise, when Kido/Hendra or Nova/Butet were experiencing problems, the Indonesian media was not as intense as the Malaysian media in criticizing the players. The coaches are also not as outspoken as Rexy and we hardly hear anything from them, except for some comment.



1) As someone else have posted, there aren't any better MD pairs in Msia at the current moment, so dropping the better players (unless you're refering to Hafiz in MS) is suicidal to the Malaysian challenge.

If Fu/Cai, Kido/Setiawan are Malaysians, when they were going thru lean months without titles, would you have written them off as flash in the pan, mentally weak, etc,etc. And would the veteran pairs (Tony/Chandra, the 2 Denmark pairs) been written off as old uncles who can't cut it anymore?

The Korean pair, LYD/Jung best outing recently was runner-up at WC, not too bad for young pair. Before that was winning Korean Open in Jan 2007.

This from countries that have produced World, Olympic and AG champs - their current top MD pairs have months of not winning titles.
So, what would one expect from good ol Malaysia, who have never won? Not to say Malaysian players can't do it, but are we expecting too much from the long years of waiting?


2) How do we know whether the other countries MD Pairs have attitude problems or not ? The coaches didn't comment much in public. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.
Though after the losts at WC 2007 Li Yong Bo did comment along the lines of the players must be mentally stronger and not be affected by the fans. And that from China, the strongest country in badminton world.

Not winning titles despite trying all out and not winning titles because of attitude issue are both different issues. You need to know that first.

In KKK's case, let me say it again, the issue is his poor attitude. He has become a big time charlie. Likes to showboat etc etc. Cai/Fu or Kido/Hendra dont do such a thing when they are on court. Thats the difference.

Rexy is fuming mad not because KKK/TBH are not winning titles. Rexy is fuming mad because of KKK's attitude that resulted in the pair not performing well.

[ants]

Dont send them to the scrapheap first. A stint in the cold will be sufficient as the first step.

I used to be involved in football sometime back. Once I saw how a Korean coach handled a youth team squad. This Korean coach was no nonsense, in short he was like a dictator and his players were sacred shitless of him. I saw him slap a player who was fooling around in training. And please dont get me wrong, I am not for such treatment. But my point is that BAM needs to get no nonsense with the shuttlers. By looking at this korean football coach, I can see why Korea have went on and played in numerous World Cups while Malaysia is still struggling to beat mighty Laos.

In KKK, we have a talented shuttler but after AE & AG, success has gone to his head big time. The lad needs to be taught a lesson. Rexy is fuming mad because he is a professional and cannot tolerate such prima donna attitude. KKK's attitude has resulted in a strained relationship with TBH. What else more needs to be said.


How sure are you that KKK had a strained relationship with TBH?

Malaysian players not only badminton even from history cannot be treated like the other players from Korea or China etc. We have our own way of doing things. Fortunate or unfortunate that is what Msians are.
The employees can even fire their own boss if they don't like the way they have been treated.
I do agree with you that the limelight and success has somehow affected KKK/TBH. But they are definately not bigheaded about their success.

[Pemuda]

How sure are you that KKK had a strained relationship with TBH?

Malaysian players not only badminton even from history cannot be treated like the other players from Korea or China etc. We have our own way of doing things. Fortunate or unfortunate that is what Msians are.
The employees can even fire their own boss if they don't like the way they have been treated.
I do agree with you that the limelight and success has somehow affected KKK/TBH. But they are definately not bigheaded about their success.

Dude, please refer to NST's report on 3/10/2007 on KKK/TBH relationship.

Yes, we indeed have our only way of doing things aka Malaysia Boleh! For example in football, during the 70s we were big time in Asia. We used to put Japan in our pockets and were (key word here - WERE) neck to neck with S Korea. But like you say "we have our own way of doing things" aka our Malaysia Boleh style la ... look at where is Japan and S Korea today?

In badminton, we are a badminton playing nation. When was the last time we had that Thomas Cup?? Despite the millions of RM and support from the government, success have been kinda errrr ... dry , eh? But again ... "we have our own way of doing things" la. What about the battle cry before the WC in KL recently. In the end, we limped home with our tails between our legs.

Very simple actually, aim high you get the stars. Aim low, you hit the dirt. At the end of the day, we are talking about standards la.

[ants]

Dude, please refer to NST's report on 3/10/2007 on KKK/TBH relationship.

Yes, we indeed have our only way of doing things aka Malaysia Boleh! For example in football, during the 70s we were big time in Asia. We used to put Japan in our pockets and were (key word here - WERE) neck to neck with S Korea. But like you say "we have our own way of doing things" aka our Malaysia Boleh style la ... look at where is Japan and S Korea today?

In badminton, we are a badminton playing nation. When was the last time we had that Thomas Cup?? Despite the millions of RM and support from the government, success have been kinda errrr ... dry , eh? But again ... "we have our own way of doing things" la. What about the battle cry before the WC in KL recently. In the end, we limped home with our tails between our legs.

Very simple actually, aim high you get the stars. Aim low, you hit the dirt. At the end of the day, we are talking about standards la.


Yes.. thats the fortunate and unfortunate about "our way of doing things". Too bad our soccer is way way behind... i would was in the deepest end of the slump compare to other countries that u mentioned. Maybe it will take us another 5 or 10yrs in seeing Msian soccer in the limelight again. I would say that the Myteam program is a good start.

I do read the newspaper. NST, TheStar etc.. but you cannot believe 100% of what they wrote.

[ctjcad]

I do read the newspaper. NST, TheStar etc.. but you cannot believe 100% of what they wrote.
..second our ants on this:cool:...Hmm, maybe Pemuda doesn't know that ants is very2 close to the M'sian national team (w/players, coaches & personnels)..;)

[Pemuda]

..second our ants on this:cool:...Hmm, maybe Pemuda doesn't know that ants is very2 close to the M'sian national team (players, coaches & personnels)..;)

You mean by just being close to the national team, one can tell the future of that particular sport or player/s?? :confused:

If thats the case, since I was once involved with our national juniors football team, I am in a position to tell the future of FAM???

Very simple la, I put my money on KKK/TBH failing at Beijing. Lets see if I am proven wrong then.

[ctjcad]

You mean by just being close to the national team, one can tell the future of that particular sport or player/s?? :confused:

If thats the case, since I was once involved with our national juniors football team, I am in a position to tell the future of FAM???

Very simple la, I put my money on KKK/TBH failing at Beijing. Lets see if I am proven wrong then.
..ants probably knows more than any of us here abt the "real" going-ons & behind the scenes activities of BAM and the national squad (ie. players, coaches & personnels relationships etc.)..And i don't think he ever said he can tell what the future of the MAS players will be, did he??..;)

[Pemuda]

Yes.. thats the fortunate and unfortunate about "our way of doing things". Too bad our soccer is way way behind... i would was in the deepest end of the slump compare to other countries that u mentioned. Maybe it will take us another 5 or 10yrs in seeing Msian soccer in the limelight again. I would say that the Myteam program is a good start.

I do read the newspaper. NST, TheStar etc.. but you cannot believe 100% of what they wrote.

My brother, allow me to digress a little ... (gotta show some respect la, since I was told you are pretty close to our national shuttlers etc ;))

Trust me, we wont be seeing the revival of our football in another 5 or 10 years. Infact, I dare say it will be even worst. Am not blowing my horns here, but I made it to the national youth set up a few years back and had a few teams in the Super League knocking on my door back then. To cut the story short, I quit football totally because the entire set up was poor from the training to administration (till today we even have teams not paying their players salaries etc). I opted for something more concrete i.e. education.

Like football, most of our sports bodies are run by half baked politicians and their yes men. As such, you will see the results being poor year in and out.

Myteam is a publicity gimmick. You need to look at the grass roots to see the entire picture.

[Pemuda]

..ants probably knows more than any of us here abt the "real" going-ons & behind the scenes activities of BAM and the national squad (ie. players, coaches & personnels relationships etc.)..And i don't think he ever said he can tell what the future of the MAS players will be, did he??..;)

And I respect that. But from what I have seen, I can based on my judgement say that KKK/TBH will fail big time in Beijing next year.

[ants]

My brother, allow me to digress a little ... (gotta show some respect la, since I was told you are pretty close to our national shuttlers etc ;))

Trust me, we wont be seeing the revival of our football in another 5 or 10 years. Infact, I dare say it will be even worst. Am not blowing my horns here, but I made it to the national youth set up a few years back and had a few teams in the Super League knocking on my door back then. To cut the story short, I quit football totally because the entire set up was poor from the training to administration (till today we even have teams not paying their players salaries etc). I opted for something more concrete i.e. education.

Like football, most of our sports bodies are run by half baked politicians and their yes men. As such, you will see the results being poor year in and out.

Myteam is a publicity gimmick. You need to look at the grass roots to see the entire picture.


Im giving a little hope by saying 5-10yrs. U know football much better than me. Although Myteam is a publicity gimmick.. i also hope for the best for them. These guys are hardworking... i seen some of them train even at 1-2am!


Ctcjad: Of course i cant tell the players future. If i do.. i can play Paw and hit the mark heheh.

[ants]

And I respect that. But from what I have seen, I can based on my judgement say that KKK/TBH will fail big time in Beijing next year.


When you say fail big time means... Fail 1st round? or Fail in the QF? Semis or Finals?

So far...no one is guaranteeing that they Will secure that GOLD. Lesser than a Gold will be a failure also.

[s1nn3r]

Please don’t compare football & badminton.
They are played by different races :)
So different result with a same development project.
Just my 2cents
Cheers.

[Pemuda]

When you say fail big time means... Fail 1st round? or Fail in the QF? Semis or Finals?

So far...no one is guaranteeing that they Will secure that GOLD. Lesser than a Gold will be a failure also.

Definitely KKK/TBH wont win that gold. I say they will be hard pressed to make the 3rd round. Its the Olympic dude, this is where we separate the big boys from the prima donnas.

[Pemuda]

Please don’t compare football & badminton.
They are played by different races :)
So different result with a same development project.
Just my 2cents
Cheers.

Wait a minute here. In the first place what has race got to do with sports!!!?? :confused:

If we based our judgement on race like you, we may as well go back to the stone age!

Sad really, its 2007 now, and we still cant see beyond the race barrier.

[badMania]

Please don’t compare football & badminton.
They are played by different races :)
So different result with a same development project.
Just my 2cents
Cheers.

Oh dear....what has race got to do with football & badminton anyway :eek:

[Pemuda]

Im giving a little hope by saying 5-10yrs. U know football much better than me. Although Myteam is a publicity gimmick.. i also hope for the best for them. These guys are hardworking... i seen some of them train even at 1-2am!


Ctcjad: Of course i cant tell the players future. If i do.. i can play Paw and hit the mark heheh.

In sports as in life, whats important is the foundation. If the foundation is not solid, things will be flimsy at best.

Football wise, we have very poor or next to zero youth academies. In Europe for example, 8 year olds have their own junior leagues and football academies. This is where they develop the basics for the game.

Secondly, mentality. Like it or not, our Malaysian mentality is pretty weak. For example, when I was playing competitive football, a few of my teamates were offered stints in professional clubs in Europe i.e Germany and France (I wont name who here). But my teamates chose not to go. Why?? Because its tough being away from home, different climate, food,no sambal belacan, environment etc etc. They prefer the easy route - the Malaysian League. Same with badminton, KKK/TBH after AE & AG, all the attention went to their head.

Thirdly, the most damaging aspect - organization! All our sports associations for example BAM are headed by politicians. And as long as we have these people, there will be a big question mark on professionalism. I know, its our Malaysian way. ;)

[Pemuda]

Oh dear....what has race got to do with football & badminton anyway :eek:

My point exactly why Malaysia's badminton is so under performing! Just look at the maturity of our own people!

[badMania]

My point exactly why Malaysia's badminton is so under performing! Just look at the maturity of our own people!

So far, I enjoy reading your posts as u present both sides of the story well. Of course, Malaysians won't like your negative tone...but...hey...it's a free press right :D

[OneToughBirdie]

Definitely KKK/TBH wont win that gold. I say they will be hard pressed to make the 3rd round. Its the Olympic dude, this is where we separate the big boys from the prima donnas.

A lot depends on KKK/TBH performances from now on all the way up to OLY08. If they continue to tank, then your prediction may have merit. If they do well beginning with MO08 onwards, then I say at least SF is attainable.
I bet you a real Italian dinner, I will collect or buy you the dinner should we meet one day in MAS (we plan to retire 4 months/year in MAS eventually) that KKK/TBH will medal in OLY08, i.e. any color of medal...;):D

[Pemuda]

A lot depends on KKK/TBH performances from now on all the way up to OLY08. If they continue to tank, then your prediction may have merit. If they do well beginning with MO08 onwards, then I say at least SF is attainable.
I bet you a real Italian dinner, I will collect or buy you the dinner should we meet one day in MAS (we plan to retire 4 months/year in MAS eventually) that KKK/TBH will medal in OLY08, i.e. any color of medal...;):D

Dude, lets make it precise. Either gold or bust!

[ctjcad]

Dude, lets make it precise. Either gold or bust!
..for a second, i thought you spelled "..Either Gold or dust!"..

[Krisna]

Please don’t compare football & badminton.
They are played by different races :)
So different result with a same development project.
Just my 2cents
Cheers.

Which race do not play which sport?!? :confused: English, Danes, Germans, Russians, Polish, Americans, Egyptians, Pakistani, even some Brazilians play badminton [I was in Brazil last year]... While Chinese, Indonesians, Africans, Americans play soccer...

[OneToughBirdie]

Dude, lets make it precise. Either gold or bust!
Since there are at least 7-8 top pairs in the world capable of winning gold in OLY, and only one pair can win OLY gold, therefore if KKK/TBH lost in final and get silver, that is a 'bust'...well, you have certainly put KKK/TBH on a very high pedestal and that shows you rate them very high despite your criticism of them...as I said, you are a passionate MAS fan, who very much like us who wanted MAS to do well and KKK/TBH to win nothing but gold....LOL!!!;):p:D

[OneToughBirdie]

Dude, lets make it precise. Either gold or bust!
And I would bet on KKK/TBH win gold since there are 7-8 pairs that can win the gold biscuit in OLY08...I don't like my odds 1 chance out of 8, and you get to win 7 chance out of 8...maybe XBall can take the bet since he bet on LCW and KKK/TBH winning gold in WC07...LOL!!!;):D:p

[Pemuda]

Since there are at least 7-8 top pairs in the world capable of winning gold in OLY, and only one pair can win OLY gold, therefore if KKK/TBH lost in final and get silver, that is a 'bust'...well, you have certainly put KKK/TBH on a very high pedestal and that shows you rate them very high despite your criticism of them...as I said, you are a passionate MAS fan, who very much like us who wanted MAS to do well and KKK/TBH to win nothing but gold....LOL!!!;):p:D

My friend, you are wrong. Yes, I would be very happy if Msia take that men's doubles gold in Beijing. But KKK/TBH dont have it in them to win that gold. KKK is a flash in the pan. And I certainly dont rate KKK/TBH at all.

I think LWW/CTF have a better chance than KKK/TBH.

[OneToughBirdie]

And I would bet on KKK/TBH win gold since there are 7-8 pairs that can win the gold biscuit in OLY08...I don't like my odds 1 chance out of 8, and you get to win 7 chance out of 8...maybe XBall can take the bet since he bet on LCW and KKK/TBH winning gold in WC07...LOL!!!;):D:p
Correction: And I would not bet on KKK/TBH win gold since......

[OneToughBirdie]

My friend, you are wrong. Yes, I would be very happy if Msia take that men's doubles gold in Beijing. But KKK/TBH dont have it in them to win that gold. KKK is a flash in the pan. And I certainly dont rate KKK/TBH at all.

I think LWW/CTF have a better chance than KKK/TBH.

Nice to hear from you...regardless of the draw, if our uncles LWW/CTF goes further than TBH/KKK in OLY08, I bet any dinner you wants...just IOU till we meet one day and loser pays...LOL!!

[eaglehelang]

Secondly, mentality. Like it or not, our Malaysian mentality is pretty weak. For example, when I was playing competitive football, a few of my teamates were offered stints in professional clubs in Europe i.e Germany and France (I wont name who here). But my teamates chose not to go. Why?? Because its tough being away from home, different climate, food,no sambal belacan, environment etc etc. They prefer the easy route - the Malaysian League. Same with badminton, KKK/TBH after AE & AG, all the attention went to their head.

Thirdly, the most damaging aspect - organization! All our sports associations for example BAM are headed by politicians. And as long as we have these people, there will be a big question mark on professionalism. I know, its our Malaysian way. ;)


Ohhh, now I know why you compare it to football.
I was just wondering why there's not much comparision ( in this forum at least) to bowling and squash.
We have reigning Asian Games and World Champs from these two sports - bowling = Womens Team event, they just won the World Champs in Sept, before that was gold at AG. Squash=of course squash queen Nicol David.
Granted they are not Olympic sport, hence lesser coverage.
Point is : how did they break the mental barrier to win and keep winning ?

Sailing(is it an Olympic sport?) : I still amazed with the 15 year old Malaysian girl who won the AG gold. For all we know, Malaysia's 1st gold in Olympics next year will come from some Category B sport.

On another note, about the 'mentally weak' issue, maybe KKK/TBH should learn a thing or two from Nicol (being a fellow Malaysian, that have broken the mental barrier) on how to become a champion and remain a champion.


KKK/TBH - At WC, wasnt the fingers pointed at TBH for losing the match against the Ikeda/Sakamoto? TBH was nervous, so they lost- again the 'mentally weak" issue came up. And LCW losing in 3rd round from "too much pressure from chief coach" didn't make it any better.

But I don't believe 100% what the media says, they tend to sensationlize things. Sometimes I think Rexy purposely says things in certain ways to send messages to officials, etc.

[Oldhand]

Which race do not play which sport?!? :confused:

Ah, we have a few answers here:

Nepal doesn't have rugby or sepak takraw or fencing :)

Bhutan doesn't have swimming pools or lacrosse or gymnastics :p
There's also no badminton in Bhutan or Samoa :)
Neither of these countries has equestrian events either :D
(Imagine a 140kg Samoan on a horse.)

Poland, Jamaica, Cuba, Chile, Senegal, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Dubai, Qatar, Germany... these are a few of the over 160 countries that don't have sumo wrestling :D

Most Maldivian resorts have courts, but the locals don't play badminton...
only the foreigners (the tourists and the service staff) do. :)
And, of course, there's no golf in the Maldives :p

Iran doesn't have ice-hockey :rolleyes:

The only sport in Afghanistan is hostaging :(
Iraq has a different version - bodybagging :mad:

(Just pulling Krsna's leg, of course.) :D

[samuel882]

Most Maldivian resorts have courts, but the locals don't play badminton...
only the foreigners (the tourists and the service staff) do. :)
And, of course, there's no golf in the Maldives :p


R u sure :cool: :confused::confused:

[Oldhand]

R u sure :cool: :confused::confused:
Yeah, there's simply no space.
The capital island is Male', which is only about 2km long.
And it's packed to the gills with buildings and people.
The biggest island, Sun Island, is about 7km long (I've stayed there)... that one too doesn't have a course.
I've also been to several of the bigger resports... it's the same there.
Perhaps one of the resorts might have a putting green or a covered fairway for practice, but that doesn't make a golf course. :p

[samuel882]

Yeah, there's simply no space.
The capital island is Male', which is only about 2km long.
And it's packed to the gills with buildings and people.
The biggest island, Sun Island, is about 7km long (I've stayed there)... that one too doesn't have a course.
I've also been to several of the bigger resports... it's the same there.
Perhaps one of the resorts might have a putting green or a covered fairway for practice, but that doesn't make a golf course. :p

Thanks for info.. Maldives is always my "DREAM" paradise :p

[Pemuda]

Ohhh, now I know why you compare it to football.
I was just wondering why there's not much comparision ( in this forum at least) to bowling and squash.
We have reigning Asian Games and World Champs from these two sports - bowling = Womens Team event, they just won the World Champs in Sept, before that was gold at AG. Squash=of course squash queen Nicol David.
Granted they are not Olympic sport, hence lesser coverage.
Point is : how did they break the mental barrier to win and keep winning ?

Sailing(is it an Olympic sport?) : I still amazed with the 15 year old Malaysian girl who won the AG gold. For all we know, Malaysia's 1st gold in Olympics next year will come from some Category B sport.

On another note, about the 'mentally weak' issue, maybe KKK/TBH should learn a thing or two from Nicol (being a fellow Malaysian, that have broken the mental barrier) on how to become a champion and remain a champion.


KKK/TBH - At WC, wasnt the fingers pointed at TBH for losing the match against the Ikeda/Sakamoto? TBH was nervous, so they lost- again the 'mentally weak" issue came up. And LCW losing in 3rd round from "too much pressure from chief coach" didn't make it any better.

But I don't believe 100% what the media says, they tend to sensationlize things. Sometimes I think Rexy purposely says things in certain ways to send messages to officials, etc.

Football is my number 1 passion. :D

[ctjcad]

Football is my number 1 passion. :D
..then, if you haven't visited these threads below, feel free to chime in there with the rest of the (BC) football fanatics!!;):cool:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46594&page=9 or
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35271&page=16

[eaglehelang]

Football is my number 1 passion. :D

If you do meet up with your football friends and get fed up with "mentally weak" attitudes, tell them this story:
I read in the newspapers a couple of weeks back about a male squash back-up player. Forgot his name, never heard of him before that article. He wanted to go overseas to where Nicol, Sharon Wee, Ong BH, Azlan Iskandar are based. He wanted a training stint under Azlan's coach, plus participating in some tournaments to bring his game up a notch. He said if doesn't he won't make the grade in the International scene.
But NSC only funds overseas stints for the elite players, i.e. Nicol et al. So this young man had to find his own sponsors. He found some, Azlan helped him find some more. The $$$$ gathered was enough to last 3 to 4 months.
He had to pay his own way just to get better training and exposure. Now, that's drive & determination. Hopefuly, he'll be good enuf to take over from Ong BH and Azlan in future.

A few posts back, someone touched on the race issue in football - just so happens this squash back up player is a Malay guy, so if there's drive and determination, there's no race divide.

Btw, if Msia do win the Olympic Gold next year from badminton(whether MS or MD), you gotta 'belanja makan' me too. I don't have to take a flight to visit, he he he.

[RSLdude]

i think KKK and TBH should start their quest for the 2008 olympic gold by simply winning the MD finals tomorrow. they did beat Kido and Setiawan in just 25 mins (more or less) in their semis, so i guess they are not too tired for the finals tomorrow. cheers!

[pjswift]

Well, they have proven Pemuda wrong.

[Pemuda]

Well, they have proven Pemuda wrong.

What have they achieved?? Making the finals at MO??? :rolleyes:
You equate the Macau Open as big as the WC or the Olympics???

Your post reminds me of our Angkasawan project. Look up NASA website and check out the crew details. You will see our Malaysian guy listed as "Spaceflight Participant". NASA dont even recognize our guy as an astronaut. Spaceflight Participant = Tourist/Passenger. But in Malaysia, in our syiok sendiri syndrome, our guy is an 'Astronaut' aka Angkasawan bukan Pengunjung Angkasa.

KKK/TBH just made the finals of Macau Open, and you are already creaming. Dude, I wont be surprise if KKK/TBH win the Johor Bahru Open, and you be jumping that I was proven wrong. :rolleyes:

[llpjlau]

pemuda, yes many many malaysians have a mentality problem. whatever you say makes sense. why dont you start doing something about it apart from babbling?

picture this, the world is in chaos, the sky is red and it is raining fire. evil creatures lurk the towns and villages. soldiers are fighting to their deaths to defend the world. you are standing in the middle of a village shouting "the time of death dawns upon us. our world will be destroyed. our soldiers dont have what it takes. they are peons compared to the evil ones. all they are good for is drinking in our taverns and screwing our women". you repeat those same lines on and on again.
not much help, is there?

[badMania]

I think what Pemuda is trying to get across is:
Since the win at the AE and Swiss Open 2007, KKK/TBH have failed at the big tourneys (WC at home and the numerous SS since then).

No doubt, they have done a great job this week, beating JJS/LYD and Kido/Hendra consecutively....but hey...it's only the Macau Open :D In terms of prestige, certainly it can't beat the World Championships or Japan Open?

[robin7]

I think what Pemuda is trying to get across is:
Since the win at the AE and Swiss Open 2007, KKK/TBH have failed at the big tourneys (WC at home and the numerous SS since then).

No doubt, they have done a great job this week, beating JJS/LYD and Kido/Hendra consecutively....but hey...it's only the Macau Open :D In terms of prestige, certainly it can't beat the World Championships or Japan Open?
3 quarters in 2007 have been dominated by 3 different pairs:
1st Quarter: Koo/Tan by claiming 3 SS (Malaysian, All England and Swiss).
2nd Quarter: Fu/Cai by claiming 3 SS (Singapore, Indonesia and China Masters).
3rd Quarter: Kido/Hendra by claiming the Prestigious World Championships.
4th Quarter: Let's see??

Fu/Cai have failed at the big tourneys since winning the China Masters, then should Fu/Cai be split as well???:D

[badMania]

Fu/Cai have failed at the big tourneys since winning the China Masters, then should Fu/Cai be split as well???:D

That's not for me to decide. And, it's Pemuda who were strongly against KKK/TBH, not me too :D

[OneToughBirdie]

What have they achieved?? Making the finals at MO??? :rolleyes:
You equate the Macau Open as big as the WC or the Olympics???

Your post reminds me of our Angkasawan project. Look up NASA website and check out the crew details. You will see our Malaysian guy listed as "Spaceflight Participant". NASA dont even recognize our guy as an astronaut. Spaceflight Participant = Tourist/Passenger. But in Malaysia, in our syiok sendiri syndrome, our guy is an 'Astronaut' aka Angkasawan bukan Pengunjung Angkasa.

KKK/TBH just made the finals of Macau Open, and you are already creaming. Dude, I wont be surprise if KKK/TBH win the Johor Bahru Open, and you be jumping that I was proven wrong. :rolleyes:

Hahaha!! Pemuda, I laugh so hard that it is not even funny:D...you are articulate in your postings that I give it to you, your posts are sounding confrontational but there is a side of humour in them...still, I think you are playing reverse psychology, you wanna see KKK/TBH win;)..because if you wanna see KKK/TBH cast aside and yet this duo is MAS top pair now, and let's admit it, which MAS pair would be better than them and there is not enough time to form another pair to garner ranking points to represent MAS in OLY with OLY less than 10 month away...one other thing, you have been very persistent and consistent in your criticism of KKK...I just do not know why you would not let go of KKK and support them and MAS in OLY quest.;):p

[Jessica]

Yup...I also wonder why Pemuda hate KKK so much...From all his posts,obviously he is not attacking KKK/TBH combination but KKK alone.

[eaglehelang]

3 quarters in 2007 have been dominated by 3 different pairs:
1st Quarter: Koo/Tan by claiming 3 SS (Malaysian, All England and Swiss).
2nd Quarter: Fu/Cai by claiming 3 SS (Singapore, Indonesia and China Masters).
3rd Quarter: Kido/Hendra by claiming the Prestigious World Championships.
4th Quarter: Let's see??

Fu/Cai have failed at the big tourneys since winning the China Masters, then should Fu/Cai be split as well???:D

Robin7, Badmania knows this, if you read the earlier pages he gives a balanced view. Like Badmania says, it's Pemuda who's critical of KKK/TBH esp with KKK for having 'prima donna' attitude. All the above points you stated I already pointed out to Pemuda, he still bashs KKK's attitude -even after Ants pointed out in real life KKK and TBH are not big headed .

He'll tell you if try but didn't win is different from having bad attitude, so save your energy.

[badMania]

Robin7, Badmania knows this, if you read the earlier pages he gives a balanced view. Like Badmania says, it's Pemuda who's critical of KKK/TBH esp with KKK for having 'prima donna' attitude. All the above points you stated I already pointed out to Pemuda, he still bashs KKK's attitude -even after Ants pointed out in real life KKK and TBH are not big headed .

He'll tell you if try but didn't win is different from having bad attitude, so save your energy.

Thanks eaglehelang.

[RSLdude]

when KKK and TBH won over the 2007 world champions (Kido and Setiawan), in just about 25 mins. yesterday, will answer a lot of questions. the macau open 07 is still a prestigious tournament since a lot of top-rank players participated like FU and CAI of China.

[eaglehelang]

Thanks eaglehelang.

U R welcome, my Indonesian friend. Keep the analysis coming in future tournaments, I like reading them.

;)

[RSLdude]

i got his report from another thread: "Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong beat their seniors Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah 21-18, 17-21, 23-21 in the MD finals macau open 07".

congrats to KKK and TBH and i hope they will continue winning despite the continued criticisms! ! !

cheers!

[george@chongwei]

after kkk and TBH good performance at MO, i fink the chance for them to split is absolutely 0%

[Jinky]

haha....yeah. hope they will keep up!

[amaze]

WHAT SPLIT ?:rolleyes:

[Pemuda]

pemuda, yes many many malaysians have a mentality problem. whatever you say makes sense. why dont you start doing something about it apart from babbling?

picture this, the world is in chaos, the sky is red and it is raining fire. evil creatures lurk the towns and villages. soldiers are fighting to their deaths to defend the world. you are standing in the middle of a village shouting "the time of death dawns upon us. our world will be destroyed. our soldiers dont have what it takes. they are peons compared to the evil ones. all they are good for is drinking in our taverns and screwing our women". you repeat those same lines on and on again.
not much help, is there?

Dude, to you it is babbling and I respect that. If you dont like what I am saying, just ignore rather than chewing your head up. Each of us is entitled to our own opinion.

[Pemuda]

Watched the final today. CTF/LWW really choked at the final hurdle. But in all honesty, KKK/TBH played very well. Their defense was top rate. So, credit is due here.

Anyway, am not pouring cold water in today's win. But Macau Open is nothing compared to Beijing next year. So, lets hold the celebration and those 'Malaysia Boleh creaming ourselves thingy' and lets make sure there is no swelling of heads etc etc.

[Pemuda]

Hahaha!! Pemuda, I laugh so hard that it is not even funny:D...you are articulate in your postings that I give it to you, your posts are sounding confrontational but there is a side of humour in them...still, I think you are playing reverse psychology, you wanna see KKK/TBH win;)..because if you wanna see KKK/TBH cast aside and yet this duo is MAS top pair now, and let's admit it, which MAS pair would be better than them and there is not enough time to form another pair to garner ranking points to represent MAS in OLY with OLY less than 10 month away...one other thing, you have been very persistent and consistent in your criticism of KKK...I just do not know why you would not let go of KKK and support them and MAS in OLY quest.;):p

Do you think KKK/TBH will take that gold in Beijing next year?

[badMania]

I personally think that Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun have the highest chance of grabbing the gold, the Olympics being a home tournament. However, the pressure might get to them and Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong should be the next favorite.

If both fail (like this year's World Cup), the next in line will be Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan and Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah.

The other pairs like Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae, Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man, Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen, Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen will be the dark-horse. Remember Eriksen/Hansen and Flandy/Eng Hian were surprise semi-finalists in the Olympics 2004

[koo_fan]

Yup...I also wonder why Pemuda hate KKK so much...From all his posts,obviously he is not attacking KKK/TBH combination but KKK alone.
i think its his rights to hate anyone or like someone.
as long as he dont give any bad remarks to my kkk,its fine with me.
he can show his hatred to anybody and we dont have any rights to objects .
we are the fans and we can choose.and his choice is to critises kkk(in winning state or losing state).so calm down and let he voice out.
we can give him admonition when he's going overboard.but for now,hes still appreciate kkk,right? still showing some respect,right?
so let him be.thats the best thing we could do.do not make situations worse.

[Pemuda]

Yup...I also wonder why Pemuda hate KKK so much...From all his posts,obviously he is not attacking KKK/TBH combination but KKK alone.

If you remove your goggles, you will see that I am have also been critical on BAM. If we go by your logic, can we also conclude that I am also personally attacking the Chairman of BAM?? :rolleyes:

[Pemuda]

Robin7, Badmania knows this, if you read the earlier pages he gives a balanced view. Like Badmania says, it's Pemuda who's critical of KKK/TBH esp with KKK for having 'prima donna' attitude. All the above points you stated I already pointed out to Pemuda, he still bashs KKK's attitude -even after Ants pointed out in real life KKK and TBH are not big headed .

He'll tell you if try but didn't win is different from having bad attitude, so save your energy.

Hold on to your horses. Its just the Macau Open. Yes, KKK/TBH played well today. But lets see how they fare in the big tournaments ok.

Its only the Macau Open and you are already creaming yourself.

[pjswift]

Hold on to your horses. Its just the Macau Open. Yes, KKK/TBH played well today. But lets see how they fare in the big tournaments ok.

Its only the Macau Open and you are already creaming yourself.
Finally I got you to compliment KKK/TBH! They proved you wrong because you posted that they won't get past R2 or even R1.
Yes, MCO is one little tournament.Surprisingly all except one top MD participated. Well,some people like things simple and just judge by the name of the tournament.I prefer to judge the quality of the champion by the field they competed with.

[Pemuda]

Finally I got you to compliment KKK/TBH! They proved you wrong because you posted that they won't get past R2 or even R1.
Yes, MCO is one little tournament.Surprisingly all except one top MD participated. Well,some people like things simple and just judge by the name of the tournament.I prefer to judge the quality of the champion by the field they competed with.

Dude, I didnt say KKK/TBH wont get past R1/R2 at the Macau Open! Come on, you can do better than this, dude.

I said KKK/TBH wont clear R2 in Beijing next year in the Olympic Games, not Macau Open.

To me true champions are made in the big tournaments i.e. WC & OG. So, lets see for KKK/TBH ....

[pjswift]

Dude, I didnt say KKK/TBH wont get past R1/R2 at the Macau Open! Come on, you can do better than this, dude.

I said KKK/TBH wont clear R2 in Beijing next year in the Olympic Games, not Macau Open.

To me true champions are made in the big tournaments i.e. WC & OG. So, lets see for KKK/TBH ....
Oh....I see. You sound so like a broken record all the time even i can get the the tracks mixed up. The servicing is overdue.Major overhaul recommended.

[llpjlau]

i don't think many of us are 'creaming ourselves' (as how pemuda puts it) after their win in the Macau Open. most if not all of the people here are just elated and encouraged that they won. not only that but it was two malaysian pairs in the finals.

edit:
btw, eaglehelang was not even talking about KKK-TBH's win in the Macau Open. i find it surprising why pemuda said eaglehelang was creaming himself.

[zqloy]

Dude, I didnt say KKK/TBH wont get past R1/R2 at the Macau Open! Come on, you can do better than this, dude.

I said KKK/TBH wont clear R2 in Beijing next year in the Olympic Games, not Macau Open.

To me true champions are made in the big tournaments i.e. WC & OG. So, lets see for KKK/TBH ....

Come on, the boys already hv 2 big titles in their bag, ie AG & AE. Its an achievement for such young age. They fell and bounce back, thats the true champion quality too.

[ants]

They did bounce.. but not that high yet.. just fell and just got back up.. they have not flew yet.

[USAfan]

Watched the final today. CTF/LWW really choked at the final hurdle. But in all honesty, KKK/TBH played very well. Their defense was top rate. So, credit is due here.

Anyway, am not pouring cold water in today's win. But Macau Open is nothing compared to Beijing next year. So, lets hold the celebration and those 'Malaysia Boleh creaming ourselves thingy' and lets make sure there is no swelling of heads etc etc.

Its a start from all the in house turmoil, Beijing 2007 is where the real test is.
Rexy needs to humble the boys as the job is not done yet and the preparation should continues....... The macau open provided us a platform to achieve bigger and better results. Hopefully, BAM will listen to the coaches and limit their forcus and concentration to a few players.... As for now, LCW and WCH for MS , KKK/TBH and CTF/LWW for the MD.

[OneToughBirdie]

Do you think KKK/TBH will take that gold in Beijing next year?

My heart tells me they would take OLY gold biscuit but my brain tells I am not sure they could cos' they are 7-8 pairs that can do it too, again the DRAW is very important and how they handle OLY pressure.

You are right, OLY is a whole different beast compared to any Open SS, the tension and pressure is unlike any other tournament but no players have more pressure than LD and any CHN players in OLY...because MAS players tend to choke at majors, that is frustrating and create doubts among us like "Malaysia mana boleh".

LCW and KKK/TBH represent the best MAS hope for gold or any medals in OLY08...If what KKK did after his post-AE&AG successes threw people off, they were very young then...btw I did far more stupid things than them when I was at their age;):p

I am sure Rexy would steer them straight reminding them their success and rewards come from winning baddy and nothing else, we both concur they have talents, and attitude/judgement can be corrected, therefore, I am optimistic they will rebound, hopefully this MO07 win will augur well for future successes...if we are MAS fans, the least we can do is support them.;)

On another note...you are articulate, your english and grammar are good...you are what? 22 yrs old...your english is very 'unmalaysian-like', are you are a caucasian or educated overseas??? I am not bashing malaysian for poor english, just that the education system in malaysia where english is not the primary language, and malaysian students in your age group have to study 2 or 3 languages in school, speak more than that, that it is very difficult for them to be excellent in english, as compared to north america or england where the majority speak english everyday whether in school or at work.

I was educated when GCE O and A level existed in MAS and 7 out of 8 courses in school during my time are in english, therefore my english a little better (not much better) than my horrible, border-passing grade bahasa...hahaha!!!:D:p

[ants]

The pressure is there. Yeah the Draws play a vital role too. But the pressure will be on the Chinese players. Not that there is no pressure for our players. IF and i say IF our players advance to the FINALS in the Olympics... can they CLOSE the match?

Well as for me i'm definately support them no matter what.

[OneToughBirdie]

The pressure is there. Yeah the Draws play a vital role too. But the pressure will be on the Chinese players. Not that there is no pressure for our players. IF and i say IF our players advance to the FINALS in the Olympics... can they CLOSE the match?

Well as for me i'm definately support them no matter what.
If that is the question that Pemuda posed and if KKK/TBH advance to the final, then I would say they would win. The tough part is getting there, I am not sure they can do it and the draw would play a big part in their journey to the final.

[llpjlau]

The pressure is there. Yeah the Draws play a vital role too. But the pressure will be on the Chinese players. Not that there is no pressure for our players. IF and i say IF our players advance to the FINALS in the Olympics... can they CLOSE the match?

Well as for me i'm definately support them no matter what.

yes and after all, rexy is already doing his part and the duo are already headed in the right direction. i dont see a major attitude problem with them. ants, apparently KKK visits clubs (as in party clubs) a lot? thats what some people seem to think.

[Pemuda]

Oh....I see. You sound so like a broken record all the time even i can get the the tracks mixed up. The servicing is overdue.Major overhaul recommended.

I think your head needs more than just a major overhaul.

Please don't take this the wrong way but shouldn't you be locked up in a cell heavily sedated with a comfort blanket and a nice 250 kg male physchiatric nurse bringing you tea whilst patting you on the head and cooing gently?

[nauyuchi]

arghh what ever happen... at least they won the Macau Open. so glad after i watch the match.

[ants]

yes and after all, rexy is already doing his part and the duo are already headed in the right direction. i dont see a major attitude problem with them. ants, apparently KKK visits clubs (as in party clubs) a lot? thats what some people seem to think.

Even LinDan travel alot to attend functions and parties. I'm not saying that Koo is attending alot of parties. He knows he priority. He does not visit clubs alot. Have training to attend to u know.

[Pemuda]

Come on, the boys already hv 2 big titles in their bag, ie AG & AE. Its an achievement for such young age. They fell and bounce back, thats the true champion quality too.

They played well yesterday, no doubts about that. But with respect to the Macau Open, KKK/TBH still need to prove that can handle the big stage.

And yes, yes they won that AE & AG at a young age. If I am not wrong, Hafiz also took the AE by storm at a young age. What happened to Hafiz, by the way, eh?

[ants]

At least KKK/TBH has more titles than Hafiz.

[Pemuda]

Its a start from all the in house turmoil, Beijing 2007 is where the real test is.
Rexy needs to humble the boys as the job is not done yet and the preparation should continues....... The macau open provided us a platform to achieve bigger and better results. Hopefully, BAM will listen to the coaches and limit their forcus and concentration to a few players.... As for now, LCW and WCH for MS , KKK/TBH and CTF/LWW for the MD.

Anyway, I be all eyes for the Danish Open ;)

[Pemuda]

At least KKK/TBH has more titles than Hafiz.

But we are talking about the AE, they both won it once so far ... at a very young age.

[ants]

KKK/TBH competed only Once in All England So far... i hope they will win more titles.

[llpjlau]

HH is a lousy player consistency-wise. almost everyone knows that. but KKK-TBH are on the right track now, so are LWW-CTF. and we are hoping that both pairs can continue on playing how they played in the Macau Open.

[llpjlau]

Even LinDan travel alot to attend functions and parties. I'm not saying that Koo is attending alot of parties. He knows he priority. He does not visit clubs alot. Have training to attend to u know.

i know. i heard they have 3 training sessions in a day starting as early as 6.30 or 7.30am. i understand the commitment they show there and i respect it. but some people think that he parties a lot and is all big headed. i dont think that is completely true.

[zqloy]

They played well yesterday, no doubts about that. But with respect to the Macau Open, KKK/TBH still need to prove that can handle the big stage.

And yes, yes they won that AE & AG at a young age. If I am not wrong, Hafiz also took the AE by storm at a young age. What happened to Hafiz, by the way, eh?

KKK/TBH is the current MD pair who won most title of the year period, so do the comparison yrself.

[llpjlau]

KKK/TBH is the current MD pair who won most title of the year period, so do the comparison yrself.

and they are still working hard.

[ants]

i know. i heard they have 3 training sessions in a day starting as early as 6.30 or 7.30am. i understand the commitment they show there and i respect it. but some people think that he parties a lot and is all big headed. i dont think that is completely true.

I wonder who is these some people. Big headed.. who are they to say that he is big headed. Do they know KKK well? Maybe he does give an impression that he is arrogant,cold etc.. but he is not. If we dont know a person well we have no right to judge people and stake a claim that he is this he is that.
Well that is people's perception. Can't blame them at all.
M not saying KKK is a perfect person. He is also improving to be a better person. He is only like 22yrs old. Do we expect him to act like a 30yr old wise man? He is consider young. He have alot of things to learn. Don't we all do? Even an old man discover new things everyday.

[Pemuda]

My heart tells me they would take OLY gold biscuit but my brain tells I am not sure they could cos' they are 7-8 pairs that can do it too, again the DRAW is very important and how they handle OLY pressure.

You are right, OLY is a whole different beast compared to any Open SS, the tension and pressure is unlike any other tournament but no players have more pressure than LD and any CHN players in OLY...because MAS players tend to choke at majors, that is frustrating and create doubts among us like "Malaysia mana boleh".

LCW and KKK/TBH represent the best MAS hope for gold or any medals in OLY08...If what KKK did after his post-AE&AG successes threw people off, they were very young then...btw I did far more stupid things than them when I was at their age;):p

I am sure Rexy would steer them straight reminding them their success and rewards come from winning baddy and nothing else, we both concur they have talents, and attitude/judgement can be corrected, therefore, I am optimistic they will rebound, hopefully this MO07 win will augur well for future successes...if we are MAS fans, the least we can do is support them.;)

On another note...you are articulate, your english and grammar are good...you are what? 22 yrs old...your english is very 'unmalaysian-like', are you are a caucasian or educated overseas??? I am not bashing malaysian for poor english, just that the education system in malaysia where english is not the primary language, and malaysian students in your age group have to study 2 or 3 languages in school, speak more than that, that it is very difficult for them to be excellent in english, as compared to north america or england where the majority speak english everyday whether in school or at work.

I was educated when GCE O and A level existed in MAS and 7 out of 8 courses in school during my time are in english, therefore my english a little better (not much better) than my horrible, border-passing grade bahasa...hahaha!!!:D:p

I agree when it comes to top level badminton, the difference between winning and losing is the mental aspect. And I rate our best medal hopes (gold) in LCW and LWW/CTF with KKK/TBH as the longshots. Why? Ok for LCW, I rate him up there with LD & Taufik, only issue is his mentality for the big events. LWW/CTF, despite their advanced age may still be able to wing it. They have the experience but again, a little suspect on the mental side as proven in yesterday's final where they choked big time. KKK/TBH.... hmmmm, lets wait and see in the Denmark Open.

The Olympics in Beijing next year is gonna be big. The crowd will be there , unlike yesterday's Macau Open. It will be a pressure cooker kinda environment unlike the 'walk in the park' yesterday. And the Chinese, Indonesians and all will all be going all out.

I m 23 (and you are?). I am Malaysian 100% and you dont have to be caucasian to speak decent English. You can be African, Indian, Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Nepalis or etc to speak decent English. I am educated in Malaysia 100%. I went to a chinese school first and then to a national sports school, so I can speak half decent mandarin as well. At home, we are pretty multi lingual from Bahasa, English, Mandarin, a little bit of Hokkien (with my grandparents) and Cantonese (from watching Hong Kong's movies).

I think going to a chinese school has done me a world of good. Because of that I understand and speak another language, have a more open outlook to life and I think I have a chinese mentality as well.

When I went to the national sports school, I must admit it was a honeymoon period (only those who attended chinese school would understand). I was easily the top student :D and I scored big time in maths (thanks to my chinese school headmistress!!). Anyway, it was basically football 80% and study 20% while I was there. But sadly, in Msia we dont have things set up like they do in the UK or else, I am pretty sure I be playing for one of the clubs in the Premier League or at worst the Championship (not boasting). How I wished I was born in UK!!!

[Pemuda]

KKK/TBH competed only Once in All England So far... i hope they will win more titles.

Lets see then ...

[Pemuda]

KKK/TBH is the current MD pair who won most title of the year period, so do the comparison yrself.

Why compare KKK/TBH domestically? Compare la with the world out there, if you aspire to be the top.

And the reality is that KKK/TBH is still unproven whether they can handle the big events. For example, in the WC in KL (home ground ok) they failed big time.

Now they win the MO. Ok good. Lets see in the Danish open and then the big one i.e. Olympics in Beijing.

[USAfan]

I agree when it comes to top level badminton, the difference between winning and losing is the mental aspect. And I rate our best medal hopes (gold) in LCW and LWW/CTF with KKK/TBH as the longshots. Why? Ok for LCW, I rate him up there with LD & Taufik, only issue is his mentality for the big events. LWW/CTF, despite their advanced age may still be able to wing it. They have the experience but again, a little suspect on the mental side as proven in yesterday's final where they choked big time. KKK/TBH.... hmmmm, lets wait and see in the Denmark Open.

The Olympics in Beijing next year is gonna be big. The crowd will be there , unlike yesterday's Macau Open. It will be a pressure cooker kinda environment unlike the 'walk in the park' yesterday. And the Chinese, Indonesians and all will all be going all out.

I m 23 (and you are?). I am Malaysian 100% and you dont have to be caucasian to speak decent English. You can be African, Indian, Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Nepalis or etc to speak decent English. I am educated in Malaysia 100%. I went to a chinese school first and then to a national sports school, so I can speak half decent mandarin as well. At home, we are pretty multi lingual from Bahasa, English, Mandarin, a little bit of Hokkien (with my grandparents) and Cantonese (from watching Hong Kong's movies).

I think going to a chinese school has done me a world of good. Because of that I understand and speak another language, have a more open outlook to life and I think I have a chinese mentality as well.

When I went to the national sports school, I must admit it was a honeymoon period (only those who attended chinese school would understand). I was easily the top student :D and I scored big time in maths (thanks to my chinese school headmistress!!). Anyway, it was basically football 80% and study 20% while I was there. But sadly, in Msia we dont have things set up like they do in the UK or else, I am pretty sure I be playing for one of the clubs in the Premier League or at worst the Championship (not boasting). How I wished I was born in UK!!!

Are you still playing soccer ? What's the highest level , state ? country or just school ? Ever thought of playing soccer in the states, might get US citizenship like some of the badminton players.:D

[koo_fan]

I wonder who is these some people. Big headed.. who are they to say that he is big headed. Do they know KKK well? Maybe he does give an impression that he is arrogant,cold etc.. but he is not. If we dont know a person well we have no right to judge people and stake a claim that he is this he is that.
Well that is people's perception. Can't blame them at all.
M not saying KKK is a perfect person. He is also improving to be a better person. He is only like 22yrs old. Do we expect him to act like a 30yr old wise man? He is consider young. He have alot of things to learn. Don't we all do? Even an old man discover new things everyday.
few people realised this.menang salah kalah pun salah....
what ever it is,i think kkk is the one who determined whether hes on the top or not.and other people(i mean the fans)dont have any power to do this.
they can talk and talk but the man whos in the court is kkk.
so ignoring for what these people say,kkk have all his loyal fans' support .no matter what happen.
so other kkk fans ,keep supporting kkk in the court and defending him in this forum.u have us,kkk.

[zqloy]

few people realised this.menang salah kalah pun salah....
what ever it is,i think kkk is the one who determined whether hes on the top or not.and other people(i mean the fans)dont have any power to do this.
they can talk and talk but the man whos in the court is kkk.
so ignoring for what these people say,kkk have all his loyal fans' support .no matter what happen.
so other kkk fans ,keep supporting kkk in the court and defending him in this forum.u have us,kkk.

Lol... this is a good one "menang salah kalan pun salah" :D
Its a pity some just dont know how to appreciate their efforts...

[Pemuda]

Are you still playing soccer ? What's the highest level , state ? country or just school ? Ever thought of playing soccer in the states, might get US citizenship like some of the badminton players.:D

Soccer is for girls. :rolleyes:
Now, I play socially for fun. Gave up the game competitively 2 years ago. Highest level? Ok, I represented the national juniors U21 in the Tigers Cup held in Indonesia & Singapore in 2002 (played 1.5 games - was injured :mad:)and then the Pre Olympic in 2003 (played 3 games only - broke arm).

It was fun while it lasted. And no, have no intentions of pursuing football as a career. Maybe when I reach 50years old and made enough money, I would like to open a football school in my kampung for kids ;).

[Pemuda]

Lol... this is a good one "menang salah kalan pun salah" :D
Its a pity some just dont know how to appreciate their efforts...

Ok la ... bring out the marching band, dish out those State awards, get those politicians moving and lets fete KKK/TBH our Macau Open champions!!

Malaysia Boleh!

Good week for Malaysia Boleh la. Our Spaceflight Participant aka Space Tourist ... opppps , I mean Astronaut or Angkasawan is going to space. Our badminton heroes KKK/TBh just took home the prestigious Macau Open and are looking good for the Olympic next year. Malaysia semua pun boleh jadi punya!

[USAfan]

Soccer is for girls. :rolleyes:
Now, I play socially for fun. Gave up the game competitively 2 years ago. Highest level? Ok, I represented the national juniors U21 in the Tigers Cup held in Indonesia & Singapore in 2002 (played 1.5 games - was injured :mad:)and then the Pre Olympic in 2003 (played 3 games only - broke arm).

It was fun while it lasted. And no, have no intentions of pursuing football as a career. Maybe when I reach 50years old and made enough money, I would like to open a football school in my kampung for kids ;).

Someone forgot to tell Beckam that he is playing in the ladies league. Sorry things didn't work out with football but its noble of you to give back to the game. Best wishes to your endeavour.:)

[OneToughBirdie]

I personally think that Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun have the highest chance of grabbing the gold, the Olympics being a home tournament. However, the pressure might get to them and Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong should be the next favorite.

If both fail (like this year's World Cup), the next in line will be Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan and Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah.

The other pairs like Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae, Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man, Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen, Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen will be the dark-horse. Remember Eriksen/Hansen and Flandy/Eng Hian were surprise semi-finalists in the Olympics 2004
OLY is an unpredictable event, often defies logic as less known player won in the past OLYs...playing at home sounds like home court advantage but you are correct, the intensity, pressure and the tremendous expectations from 1.3 billion folks and CHN first OLY are not easy to handle...let's see the draw before you even guess who has the best chance to win.

[OneToughBirdie]

I agree when it comes to top level badminton, the difference between winning and losing is the mental aspect. And I rate our best medal hopes (gold) in LCW and LWW/CTF with KKK/TBH as the longshots. Why? Ok for LCW, I rate him up there with LD & Taufik, only issue is his mentality for the big events. LWW/CTF, despite their advanced age may still be able to wing it. They have the experience but again, a little suspect on the mental side as proven in yesterday's final where they choked big time. KKK/TBH.... hmmmm, lets wait and see in the Denmark Open.

The Olympics in Beijing next year is gonna be big. The crowd will be there , unlike yesterday's Macau Open. It will be a pressure cooker kinda environment unlike the 'walk in the park' yesterday. And the Chinese, Indonesians and all will all be going all out.

I m 23 (and you are?). I am Malaysian 100% and you dont have to be caucasian to speak decent English. You can be African, Indian, Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Nepalis or etc to speak decent English. I am educated in Malaysia 100%. I went to a chinese school first and then to a national sports school, so I can speak half decent mandarin as well. At home, we are pretty multi lingual from Bahasa, English, Mandarin, a little bit of Hokkien (with my grandparents) and Cantonese (from watching Hong Kong's movies).

I think going to a chinese school has done me a world of good. Because of that I understand and speak another language, have a more open outlook to life and I think I have a chinese mentality as well.

When I went to the national sports school, I must admit it was a honeymoon period (only those who attended chinese school would understand). I was easily the top student :D and I scored big time in maths (thanks to my chinese school headmistress!!). Anyway, it was basically football 80% and study 20% while I was there. But sadly, in Msia we dont have things set up like they do in the UK or else, I am pretty sure I be playing for one of the clubs in the Premier League or at worst the Championship (not boasting). How I wished I was born in UK!!!

With LCW, TH and LD at parity, the gap is so close that whoever has the mental edge on game day and which 2 of the trio are in the same half may effect the winner, except past OLY winners tend to be lesser known players...OLY is big time event, you are correct, no walk in the park, occuring once every 4 years we can expect every player aiming for a win cos there may not be a second chance whereas losing one SS, there is another one coming up....

I am double your age, my son is 24, older than you...and I could retire in 3.5 yrs time but probably go for 8.5 yrs. I don't mean to say you need to be caucasian to master english well, I know lots of malaysian friends who write/speak excellent english but very few at your age group. I compare you to my nephews at your age in MAS, your english is very good compared to them, and with you educated in the chinese medium, I guess transition to english later and 100% in MAS, that is quite remarkable.

You did better than me, I am a ex-MAS chinese who can write/read/speak english and ahem! broken bahasa, speak fluent cantonese, and some bits/pieces of mandarin (from talking to my older siblings who are chinese educated and also from romantic :crying:old chinese movies) and lately, starting to pick up some Hokkien words from my wife (I have to if I want to retire in MAS, her family speaks only Hokkien, mama-mia!!!).

I understand what you mean "honeymoon period"...I had ex-classmates who came from chinese school with solid math and science foundation...but they struggle when it came to english and bahasa, whereas your english is very good. That throws me off as I look at your age and kinda wonder how your english can be so good and your posts so well written.

As for your soccer aspiration, sorry to hear it did not work out...I have posted before that I admire all people who invested time and chose sport as a career to make their nation and their countrymen proud...I do not have that gift nor talent, even if I have it, I doubt I would follow through with a sport career filled with uncertainty and abuse, instead of something more tangible and easier to achieve like a professional engineer who can have an occasional wine, beer and cheeseburger and sleeping late with no curfews.

Nice to talk to you, god bless!;)

[Oldhand]

Er, where is this thread going? :confused:

[eaglehelang]

I am double your age, my son is 24, older than you...and I could retire in 3.5 yrs time but probably go for 8.5 yrs. I don't mean to say you need to be caucasian to master english well, I know lots of malaysian friends who write/speak excellent english but very few at your age group. I compare you to my nephews at your age in MAS, your english is very good compared to them, and with you educated in the chinese medium, I guess transition to english later and 100% in MAS, that is quite remarkable.


That throws me off as I look at your age and kinda wonder how your english can be so good and your posts so well written.

!;)


Birdie, add VChing in the list- he's only 17 years old. Pemuda's English is ok-lah, though from his posts I know he's not above 30, the maturity will show (Don't get angry Pemuda, just my observation)

In Malaysia, language wise, if one is so-called 'English-educated', dubbed banana person like me(Chinese Malaysian who can't read and write in Chinese), our English is quite ok. Some of my friends can articulate well at 18, esp Urasians or those who speak English at home.

[eaglehelang]

I wonder who is these some people. Big headed.. who are they to say that he is big headed. Do they know KKK well? Maybe he does give an impression that he is arrogant,cold etc.. but he is not. If we dont know a person well we have no right to judge people and stake a claim that he is this he is that.
Well that is people's perception. Can't blame them at all.
.


Actually, Rexy mentioned it before in the press, not specifically the word 'big headed', Words like 'show-off','arrogant' have been used and after that people picked up on it. Rexy keeps saying he hopes KKK/TBH wont get too big-headed - first after KKK/TBH won AG, then after they won AE and again in the Star after KKK/TBH beat Kido/Setiawan in Macau Open semis.

UNLESS - Rexy purposely says it to make opposing countries think Msian MD in chaos, using the media as a strategy, has been done and can be done. Then the opposing countries would be caught off guard. If I'm the coach I would use the media to my advantage.

[koo_fan]

Er, where is this thread going? :confused:
yeah..
i think i have to agree.we have use 3 pages just to debate with Pemuda.
BCppl VS pemuda.
Sorry Pemuda,i think its ur right to declare ur opinions but this continous argument will bring implications to all of us.
first,we debate about kkk then about language?Whose english is better?
lets move to another topic,can we?
I hope there's one of us who can make this clear and ended this argument.

[chris-ccc]

... because of a strained relationship that developed from their uninspiring performances in recent international tournaments.

Yesterday, the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) president, Datuk Nadzmi Mohd Salleh, stepped in to prevent a possible split in partnership with a pep talk with the duo at the BAM's office in Bukit Kiara here.

National doubles coach Rexy Mainaky, who was also present at the meeting, pointed out that Kien Keat lacked faith in his partnership with Boon Heong.

Rexy wants Kien Keat-Boon Heong to start afresh.

Boon Heong agreed that things were not rosy of late in his partnership with Kien Keat.

“Koo told the coach (Rexy) that I am not complementing him well. I do not blame him. He is so eager to win and I did not play up to his expectation in the last few tournaments,” he said.




Greetings,

Well... the thread started with the question "KKK/TBH might split???????".

Some of us, including myself, hope that they will not split because we think that they can do better.

Also some of us, again including myself, hope that their relationship would improve... because Doubles partnership depends on teamwork.

Pemuda's posts were to not to answer whether they should split, but to say that if KKK/TBH were to carry on like what they have done over the last 12 months, nothing will come good for them.

And I agree with Pemuda's posts. Because Pemuda has come from a football background, he knows what teamwork means.

In Badminton, I have seen some individual players of medium skill level combining together to form excellent Doubles Partnerships.

Just hoping that KKK & TBH can do just that. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

[koo_fan]

I wil say that macau open will improve the relationship between kkk and TBh,KKK/TBH with rexy,Rexy with Bam,and Bam with the MD.

i hope the suggestion to separate kkk and tbh will be forgetted .Macau open proves,theres still a hope to bring the victory moment again.

and for chris,thank u for bringing us back to the topic.
I appreciated it.

[violeen4]

i hope the suggestion to separate kkk and tbh will be forgetted .Macau open proves,theres still a hope to bring the victory moment again.



i'm really hoping that they wouldn't be separated too. go both of them!
MALAYSIA BOLEH! :)

[RSLdude]

after too much debate on KKK's and TBH's ability to be number1, we can just look back at their accomplishments both from minor and major tournaments, and we can safely say that their partnership is indeed "a force to reckon with" in the MD division.

[Kamen]

Ok la ... bring out the marching band, dish out those State awards, get those politicians moving and lets fete KKK/TBH our Macau Open champions!!

Malaysia Boleh!

Good week for Malaysia Boleh la. Our Spaceflight Participant aka Space Tourist ... opppps , I mean Astronaut or Angkasawan is going to space. Our badminton heroes KKK/TBh just took home the prestigious Macau Open and are looking good for the Olympic next year. Malaysia semua pun boleh jadi punya!

Kekekekeekekekkeke!

Pemuda, I agree with many of your posts especially the part you said it is KKK and not TBH that needs to buck up. One can see that KKK was making the most mistakes in yesterday's Macau Open final. If weren't for the mistakes, they would have wrapped up the championship in straight set.

Then again, you sound a lot like the banned yellowstring!

[samuel882]

Actually, Rexy mentioned it before in the press, not specifically the word 'big headed', Words like 'show-off','arrogant' have been used and after that people picked up on it. Rexy keeps saying he hopes KKK/TBH wont get too big-headed - first after KKK/TBH won AG, then after they won AE and again in the Star after KKK/TBH beat Kido/Setiawan in Macau Open semis.

UNLESS - Rexy purposely says it to make opposing countries think Msian MD in chaos, using the media as a strategy, has been done and can be done. Then the opposing countries would be caught off guard. If I'm the coach I would use the media to my advantage.
The games is going to develop into psychology war :cool:

[chris-ccc]

Rexy purposely says it to make opposing countries think Msian MD in chaos, using the media as a strategy, has been done and can be done. Then the opposing countries would be caught off guard. If I'm the coach I would use the media to my advantage.




Hi eaglehelang,

No... I disagree with you when you posted that Rexy is using the media as a strategy. :)

Having spoken with Rexy, I know Rexy is downright honest in whatever he says. And Rexy was just answering questions from the media... saying that he is genuinely concerned about his KKK/TBH partnership. After all, it was Rexy who thought that KKK & TBH could/should combine well together.

Well, we Malaysian fans hope that KKK/TBH would not disappoint Rexy and the rest of us. :)

Cheers... chris@ccc

[ants]

Actually, Rexy mentioned it before in the press, not specifically the word 'big headed', Words like 'show-off','arrogant' have been used and after that people picked up on it. Rexy keeps saying he hopes KKK/TBH wont get too big-headed - first after KKK/TBH won AG, then after they won AE and again in the Star after KKK/TBH beat Kido/Setiawan in Macau Open semis.

UNLESS - Rexy purposely says it to make opposing countries think Msian MD in chaos, using the media as a strategy, has been done and can be done. Then the opposing countries would be caught off guard. If I'm the coach I would use the media to my advantage.


I don't think Rexy did mentioned to the press about them Arrogant. And he did not say that they are Big Headed. Just hope that they are not Big Headed. It is just how the Media wrote on the news.

[OneToughBirdie]

Watching KKK/TBH beat Markis/Hendra, very impressive and should get better with 10mth to OLY and gain more to their experience as a pair, whereas the other top pairs, except KOR, are one year older as if they are not too old enough now...All these talks of 'arrogant', 'big-headed' even if existed can be corrected, if the problem lies with lack of talent and skills, then it is hopeless...I can't see Rexy not smacking them straight...Rexy knows this is an opportune chance for him as a coach to get OLY gold to compliment his gold as a player...unlike WC loss which has 2nd or 3rd chance for gold, if MAS MD don't mine OLY gold, Rexy not only have to wait for 4 long years but the team he coaches next may not be as deep as MAS MD nor a deep pocket employer like MAS...think of what would happen to Rexy's career if MAS MD strike OLY gold, not only would Rexy have accomplished them all at a very age for as a coach but this will be MAS first OLY gold (think reward???);)

[Pemuda]

yeah..
i think i have to agree.we have use 3 pages just to debate with Pemuda.
BCppl VS pemuda.
Sorry Pemuda,i think its ur right to declare ur opinions but this continous argument will bring implications to all of us.
first,we debate about kkk then about language?Whose english is better?
lets move to another topic,can we?
I hope there's one of us who can make this clear and ended this argument.

Are you on some form of drugs?? What implications you are talking about here?
And where is it that we are debating on the English language and whose command of the language is better???
Girl, get a hold of yourself ok.

[Pemuda]

Kekekekeekekekkeke!

Pemuda, I agree with many of your posts especially the part you said it is KKK and not TBH that needs to buck up. One can see that KKK was making the most mistakes in yesterday's Macau Open final. If weren't for the mistakes, they would have wrapped up the championship in straight set.

Then again, you sound a lot like the banned yellowstring!

And dude, when you go 'kekekekekekekeke', you sound like Saiful Apek!!!
And who is this yellowstring chap?

[Kamen]

And dude, when you go 'kekekekekekekeke', you sound like Saiful Apek!!!
And who is this yellowstring chap?

Yellowstring? I think you could click on the "Members List" and look up his name and see all his posts.

He is your :D"brother":Dcause he is also very very very critical on KKK's attitude and BAM.

I do not like him though cause he was really mean and rude to all other members. :mad:

[koo_fan]

i'm really hoping that they wouldn't be separated too. go both of them!
MALAYSIA BOLEH! :)
And i hope rexy will not suggest this suggestion after this.ever.
watching kkk plyed with other player? i cannot face this.
Rexy maybe a good coach and his decision is for our own good but this??
for now,let he be with TBh .i'll be happy with situation.win or lose.they are still my stars.

[koo_fan]

Yellowstring? I think you could click on the "Members List" and look up his name and see all his posts.

He is your :D"brother":Dcause he is also very very very critical on KKK's attitude and BAM.

I do not like him though cause he was really mean and rude to all other members. :mad:
this 'yellowstring'.is he always online ?i didnt see his posts since the first time i visit this forum.
interested to read his posts.and 'bananaboy' too.

[eaglehelang]

Hi eaglehelang,

No... I disagree with you when you posted that Rexy is using the media as a strategy. :)

Having spoken with Rexy, I know Rexy is downright honest in whatever he says. And Rexy was just answering questions from the media... saying that he is genuinely concerned about his KKK/TBH partnership. After all, it was Rexy who thought that KKK & TBH could/should combine well together.

Well, we Malaysian fans hope that KKK/TBH would not disappoint Rexy and the rest of us. :)

Cheers... chris@ccc


Firstly, I did use the word UNLESS before the rest of the paragraph. I'm saying it in theory, in the corporate world we do make use of the media,
Anyway, thanks for clearing that up.

[eaglehelang]

I don't think Rexy did mentioned to the press about them Arrogant. And he did not say that they are Big Headed. Just hope that they are not Big Headed. It is just how the Media wrote on the news.

Ants, I did say he hopes they wont get big headed, he hopes
1) After they won AG gold, during interview by RTM. Rexy said ".....Kalau mereka tidak besar kepala."

2) Read the Star, 7 Oct. ....."I hope they won't get too big headed."

And a couple of other times, in both Malay and English newspapers. I tak kuasa to check it up now. Rexy keep saying the same point means he's worried about it. So, the media have picked up on that and made numerous commentaries.

Rexy was quoted (he could have been mis-quoted) as saying KKK tends to 'show off' - when they lost to FU/Cai at Sudirman Cup. KKK was covering for TBH.
Also 'one-man show' during XD with WOng PT at WC 2006.
Notice the same words are used, so, people will start thinking KKK has bad attitude -> KKK/TBH partnership have trouble ->KKK is main reason of strained relationship, TBH lose confidence, poor thing,etc.

Oh yeah, I was trying to explain why people would think KKK is big headed, why Pemuda is bent on KKK having bad attitude. I don't think KKK is big headed, or have bad attitude, he comes across as very genuine. They just haven't been taught how to deal with the press. It's perceptions.

[eaglehelang]

Sorry post above should be : I'm NOT saying it in theory, in the corporate world we do make use of the media.

[Kamen]

this 'yellowstring'.is he always online ?i didnt see his posts since the first time i visit this forum.
interested to read his posts.and 'bananaboy' too.

i tried looking up his name but i could not find. i think his name is removed since he was banned.

i guess you will find his posts in most KKK threads that were locked. :D

[llpjlau]

might even be the same people

[Kamen]

I m 23 (and you are?). I am Malaysian 100% and you dont have to be caucasian to speak decent English. You can be African, Indian, Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Nepalis or etc to speak decent English. I am educated in Malaysia 100%. I went to a chinese school first and then to a national sports school, so I can speak half decent mandarin as well. At home, we are pretty multi lingual from Bahasa, English, Mandarin, a little bit of Hokkien (with my grandparents) and Cantonese (from watching Hong Kong's movies).


I dont believe you are 23 lor. Your post has a lot of depth. A 23 yr-old can't post that lor.:cool:

[Kamen]

might even be the same people

even if he was yellowstring, i feel that his posts carry a lot of truth but minus the rudeness and meanness.

[samuel882]

23 : Pemuda (Youngster) :)

[samuel882]

OG games?
Even the ever mighty LD play so many years bur failed to win a single medal.. To put KKK/TBH for winning a gold there itself is already an achievement.. Considered them are just started pairing last September..
It will be truth to defend : " When they failed, there will be always a second attempt in London 2012..." .
However, maybe ONLY God knows they will be keeping their partnership after their failure in next year OG.
Enjoying the current success & at the same time always looks forward to get the next BIG thing is necessary elements for any successful athletes..

[llpjlau]

samuel882, i think you mean 'if they fail' not 'after their failure'.

[samuel882]

samuel882, i think you mean 'if they fail' not 'after their failure'.

Thanks for correction.. :) Actually i do not fancy any high hopes on them to deliver GOLD in Beijing too...

[koo_fan]

even if he was yellowstring, i feel that his posts carry a lot of truth but minus the rudeness and meanness.
and i think pemuda is much more better than him.i mean bananaboy.bcoz i've never read yellowstring's post.
they are saying the truth.both of them.Harsh but pemuda is much more gentlemen.
i have confidence for this statement.

[koo_fan]

last sunday really make me and TBH very happy as all the hard work and commitment, finally come with success.
well won't be make this get to our head to much and we going to concentrate our next assignment. until the olympic next year. we will put in more effort and work double hard until we reach the ultimate goal, that is the goal medal in china.

i believe the only person we have to learn from is ourself, understand it, motivate it,reward it and take good care of it. learning from another individual(NO HUMAN BEING IS PERFECT AND MAKE NO MISTAKE) will not help that much because everything is still voice down to yourself. I'M NOT THE BEST BUT I WILL BE THE BEST. as long as i put in effort the result is not one of the main concern anymore.

every match for me is important to win as i have to prove to all malaysian that MALAYSIA BOLEH.
winning is not only important for me but also to 20> million people in malaysia. so you tell me can i afford not to bother about winning.

remember there is no one for you to beat but yourself. Try to be the best everyday as the "SKY" IS THE LIMIT FOR THE BEST.

copy and paste from haifeng4ever in other theread actually.

this is the latest post of kkk in his blog.and i think it is clear enough to say that kkk is not a perfect human and player.give him oppurtunity to perform the best.sometimes he lose and somettimes he win.stop giving him pressure.

[gidong]

last sunday really make me and TBH very happy as all the hard work and commitment, finally come with success.
well won't be make this get to our head to much and we going to concentrate our next assignment. until the olympic next year. we will put in more effort and work double hard until we reach the ultimate goal, that is the goal medal in china.

i believe the only person we have to learn from is ourself, understand it, motivate it,reward it and take good care of it. learning from another individual(NO HUMAN BEING IS PERFECT AND MAKE NO MISTAKE) will not help that much because everything is still voice down to yourself. I'M NOT THE BEST BUT I WILL BE THE BEST. as long as i put in effort the result is not one of the main concern anymore.

every match for me is important to win as i have to prove to all malaysian that MALAYSIA BOLEH.
winning is not only important for me but also to 20> million people in malaysia. so you tell me can i afford not to bother about winning.

remember there is no one for you to beat but yourself. Try to be the best everyday as the "SKY" IS THE LIMIT FOR THE BEST.

copy and paste from haifeng4ever in other theread actually.

this is the latest post of kkk in his blog.and i think it is clear enough to say that kkk is not a perfect human and player.give him oppurtunity to perform the best.sometimes he lose and somettimes he win.stop giving him pressure.
give me da URL of KKK blog .... :D

[pjswift]

OG games?
Even the ever mighty LD play so many years bur failed to win a single medal.. To put KKK/TBH for winning a gold there itself is already an achievement.. Considered them are just started pairing last September..
It will be truth to defend : " When they failed, there will be always a second attempt in London 2012..." .
However, maybe ONLY God knows they will be keeping their partnership after their failure in next year OG.
Enjoying the current success & at the same time always looks forward to get the next BIG thing is necessary elements for any successful athletes..
That's because LD needs 3 CHN MS to accompany him in tournament to win.He needs his team to help him take care of other non-CHN opponents.OG allows 2 or max.3 reps per country,that's why LYB's team strategy cannot work in OG.

[eaglehelang]

give me da URL of KKK blog .... :D


http://myfeatherlite.blogspot.com/

Click on comments, KKK signs in as featherlite. Go to end of comments, scroll a few comments up.


The post seemed written in a hurry, broken thoughts, had to read a couple of times before I got it.

[pjswift]

koo fan,let kkk know to just play to win for himself,TBH and maybe Rexy.Don't be big headed and start thinking he's aiming to win for 20+ million M'sians.He's not that grand that he thinks he can fight for the country.So too with LCW or CTF/LWW.These MAS top shots would be wise to remain modest-thinking and focus to enjoy playing world class badminton.
However,should they win OG gold, then they can proudly proclaim they are playing for M'sia.After is OK,not before.

[llpjlau]

koo fan,let kkk know to just play to win for himself,TBH and maybe Rexy.Don't be big headed and start thinking he's aiming to win for 20+ million M'sians.He's not that grand that he thinks he can fight for the country.So too with LCW or CTF/LWW.These MAS top shots would be wise to remain modest-thinking and focus to enjoy playing world class badminton.
However,should they win OG gold, then they can proudly proclaim they are playing for M'sia.After is OK,not before.

your comments are debatable.

[Oldhand]

Personally, I find Lee Chong Wei to be one of the most well-mannered players on the circuit today.
All spring and bounce and cheer...
... and not a trace of arrogance in him. :)

[gundala]

TBH/KKK won't split..and they like a banana split :)

[llpjlau]

TBH/KKK won't split..and they like a banana split :)

gundala as in christopher albert?

[Pemuda]

I dont believe you are 23 lor. Your post has a lot of depth. A 23 yr-old can't post that lor.:cool:

I have a much higher IQ than you. ;)