I hope 2 see KKK & TBH in final.I feel both of them will not repeat de same mistake in this MACAU OPEN.If not,i believe that all Malaysian especially REXY will feel dissappointed :(:(

I hope 2 see KKK & TBH in final.I feel both of them will not repeat de same mistake in this MACAU OPEN.If not,i believe that all Malaysian especially REXY will feel dissappointed :(:(

"All Malaysian especially Rexy ....." - Rexy is not Malaysian unfortunately although he thinks he is.

I think KKK-TBH should be fresh and will be working as a team from now on. I expect a good result from them -- a title win is definitely possible.

"All Malaysian especially Rexy ....." - Rexy is not Malaysian unfortunately although he thinks he is.

I think KKK-TBH should be fresh and will be working as a team from now on. I expect a good result from them -- a title win is definitely possible.

At this time, as to KKK/TBH

Reaching the semi final for KKK/TBH is very good
Reaching the final is a bit hard
WInning the champiosnhip is very difficult

At this time, as to KKK/TBH

Reaching the semi final for KKK/TBH is very good
Reaching the final is a bit hard
WInning the champiosnhip is very difficult

Agree,...i would be happy if they play better badminton in Macau Open...reaching QF consider good, SF as bonus.....Final or Winning will be quite hard....as they are still unstable at time...:rolleyes:

At this time, as to KKK/TBH

Reaching the semi final for KKK/TBH is very good
Reaching the final is a bit hard
WInning the champiosnhip is very difficult

On the contrary, I think getting into the semi final is difficult but if they can there, it means they are ready and should cruise into the Finals and then win.

On the contrary, I think getting into the semi final is difficult but if they can there, it means they are ready and should cruise into the Finals and then win.
But base on their current form,it's a bit hard for them to reach semi final..Everytime the same matter occur,one of them wil lost their concentration n makes many unforced error..:(

"All Malaysian especially Rexy ....." - Rexy is not Malaysian unfortunately although he thinks he is.


Recently, Rexy's older brother [Richard Mainaky] who coaches INA XD, is enjoying more success than Rexy... :p :D

No expectation from the MAS team but looking forward to good matches.

Recently, Rexy's older brother [Richard Mainaky] who coaches INA XD, is enjoying more success than Rexy... :p :D

Why don't we proposed REXY & ReChard Swapping their employer/Paymaster ;)

Why don't we proposed REXY & ReChard Swapping their employer/Paymaster ;)
hey this thread is about Macau Open 2007 website....what does it related to rexy?:mad::D
*OFFTOPIC*:p

But base on their current form,it's a bit hard for them to reach semi final..Everytime the same matter occur,one of them wil lost their concentration n makes many unforced error..:(

If what you say is correct, then LCW should not have won JO and Markis-Hendra should not have won WC coz their forms were not good.

If what you say is correct, then LCW should not have won JO and Markis-Hendra should not have won WC coz their forms were not good.

who said that ???.. they're runner up of china master 2007, a ss tourney before wc2007 :D

we talked about TBH/KKK, not lcw :D...

who said that ???.. they're runner up of china master 2007, a ss tourney before wc2007 :D

we talked about TBH/KKK, not lcw :D...

I making a statement by comparing to LCW. Markis-Hendra was so-so lah before that.

I making a statement by comparing to LCW. Markis-Hendra was so-so lah before that.

MK/HS is uphill ..man compared with TBH/KKK :p :p

Macau website turns into who is the best MD....OFF TOPIC!!

MK/HS is uphill ..man compared with TBH/KKK :p :p

I think when TBH-KKK are ready, MK-HS will go back to their usual roles of being "minnows" or what the Chinese called "care leh fare" (supporting roles).:D

Don't believe me - well, wait for it.;)

I think when TBH-KKK are ready, MK-HS will go back to their usual roles of being "minnows" or what the Chinese called "care leh fare" (supporting roles).:D

Don't believe me - well, wait for it.;)

OK.. i will be waiting for you comment :D.. don't hide or hit and run if TBH/kkk lose again in "early round" :D :D :p

OK.. i will be waiting for you comment :D.. don't hide or hit and run if TBH/kkk lose again in "early round" :D :D :p

The question is what will you do if KKK-TBH wins ? I am on holiday then -- but don't think it is a reason for you to hide, run or disappear.:D

The question is what will you do if KKK-TBH wins ? I am on holiday then -- but don't think it is a reason for you to hide, run or disappear.:D

i'll still be around.. ina still have alvent/luluk to beat TBH/KKK :p

i'll still be around.. ina still have alvent/luluk to beat TBH/KKK :p


WHAT ? THEM to carry the weight ? Are you dreaming ? They got beaten by our 'bench boys' (Tazari-Zakry) in the TO. Now I know you are dreaming.:D

At this time, as to KKK/TBH

Reaching the semi final for KKK/TBH is very good
Reaching the final is a bit hard
WInning the champiosnhip is very difficult

no.. from wad i see... the tough test starts not in Semi but in Quarter against LYD/JJS.. they have not played this before... its gonna interesting! :D

this turns out to be a private warfare between INA No.1 FAN and MAS No.1 FAN... :D

If what you say is correct, then LCW should not have won JO and Markis-Hendra should not have won WC coz their forms were not good.
Huh??I don think so..during WC,MK/HD were in good form..They can't win WC if they are not in the good form..:)

Huh??I don think so..during WC,MK/HD were in good form..They can't win WC if they are not in the good form..:)

It is all relative. If KKK-TBH were in form (which they were some months back), MK-HD might not have won.

no.. from wad i see... the tough test starts not in Semi but in Quarter against LYD/JJS.. they have not played this before... its gonna interesting! :D

But i can foresee the Korean might be eliminated even before the QF :cool:

It is all relative. If KKK-TBH were in form (which they were some months back), MK-HD might not have won.

if....if again.... just prove it on the court..

It is all relative. If KKK-TBH were in form (which they were some months back), MK-HD might not have won.
well..when every players are in form...I guess they all will win....dont be shame if KKK/TBH did not win WC ....same thing also MK/HS ,CY/FHF or Tony/Candra did not win All Englad,,,,,they were in form also but still KKK/TBH won...

well..when every players are in form...I guess they all will win....dont be shame if KKK/TBH did not win WC ....same thing also MK/HS ,CY/FHF or Tony/Candra did not win All Englad,,,,,they were in form also but still KKK/TBH won...

I should have said it is relative to time. At any one time, someone may be in form and wins. Hence my point to Taufik is KKK-TBH can win if they are in form but of course, everyone chose to take that as meaning KKK-TBH will win.

I don't mind being distorted as I, too, distort things.:D

I should have said it is relative to time. At any one time, someone may be in form and wins. Hence my point to Taufik is KKK-TBH can win if they are in form but of course, everyone chose to take that as meaning KKK-TBH will win.

I don't mind being distorted as I, too, distort things.:D
:D:D but even players are in form..do not mean they can win..especially in double with high standard and with 21 points....just one wrong serve will affect you.....look at china master when MK/HS against CY/FHF where INA got 4 wrong services and none for CHN...that destroyed confident and made you frustrated....:D

Just hope KKK/TBH will play well in next Macau..I will be there and me and fastdrop will report to you how they play....you may hear it from me first.....:D:D I am looking forward to seeing their matches against JSJ/LYD

I think when TBH-KKK are ready, MK-HS will go back to their usual roles of being "minnows" or what the Chinese called "care leh fare" (supporting roles).:D

Don't believe me - well, wait for it.;)

I don't think I need to wait for anything else... since KKK-TBH is already our "care leh fare" (supporting roles)... :rolleyes: I admit Kido-Hendra and Luluk-Alven need these supporting role pairs to look good. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I don't think I need to wait for anything else... since KKK-TBH is already our "care leh fare" (supporting roles)... :rolleyes: I admit Kido-Hendra and Luluk-Alven need these supporting role pairs to look good. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


I like Indonesian postings -- so flowery and so cocky.

I like Indonesian postings -- so flowery and so cocky.

Hmmph... :rolleyes:

Indonesians are generally humble, nice, and good-natured people. But when unfairly provoked, we might very well show how truly self-confident we really are inside... ;)

Still water runs deep.... hmmmm...

I like Indonesian postings -- so flowery and so cocky.
haiya.....at least we do not put too much pressure or blame on our players.....:D:D
We are not cocky....at least we have proved our men double...no drama...;);) as a matter of fact..some of your postings are actually cocky...

haiya.....at least we do not put too much pressure or blame on our players.....:D:D
We are not cocky....at least we have proved our men double...no drama...;);) as a matter of fact..some of your postings are actually cocky...

Yup. I wrote like that because X Ball started making cocky (yet unfair) statements... :p :D I'm childish, I know... Where else can I be childish... BC forums is where I can be quite free... :D

Still water runs deep.... hmmmm...

My apologies, ants... :o

Yup. I wrote like that because X Ball started making cocky (yet unfair) statements... :p :D
I just dont like his words" Indonesians postings...."" It is so racist like Malaysians are better....at least we do not talk BIG and rubbish..:mad::mad:
I think X-ball should be more sensitive of using word of " Indonesians".. it is an insult for Indonesian people !!!... I am sure Malaysians will not like it if I use same words...this is racist!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Plus they are using Indonesian to coach/ improve their Men doubles....I hope X-ball remembers that.....Rexy is still an Indonesian...

..X Ball is getting into huangkwokhau's & Krisna's skins, now...Eeeaasy guys...:p:cool:

Possible that he is switching his attention into KKK/TBH since LCW is confirmed not going to MAcau:confused:;)

haiya.....at least we do not put too much pressure or blame on our players.....:D:D
We are not cocky....at least we have proved our men double...no drama...;);) as a matter of fact..some of your postings are actually cocky...

Me cocky ? Needless to say. ;) But always in respect of players (especially Malaysian).

I just dont like his words" Indonesians postings...."" It is so racist like Malaysians are better....at least we do not talk BIG and rubbish..:mad::mad:
I think X-ball should be more sensitive of using word of " Indonesians".. it is an insult for Indonesian people !!!... I am sure Malaysians will not like it if I use same words...this is racist!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Plus they are using Indonesian to coach/ improve their Men doubles....I hope X-ball remembers that.....Rexy is still an Indonesian...

Aiyoh, so sensitive ah ? Take it easy, isn't that what you guys always tell me to do ? Don't read too much into anything, it will give you blood pressure - it is not worth it, especially if they are to refute or to reject what I had said.:D

Note : Don't let anything cloud your mind else it will control you (Poet Longfellow).

KKK/TBH = Great
Fu/Cai = Excellent
Chandra/Tony = Phenomenal
MK/Hendra = Great, excellent, and phenomenal

KKK/TBH = Great
Fu/Cai = Excellent
Chandra/Tony = Phenomenal
MK/Hendra = Great, excellent, and phenomenal


How about these ?

KKK-TBH = BAD
FU-CAI = Worse
Chandra-Tony = Lousy
MK-HD = Rubbish

All great things rose from 'Rubbish' level.:D

KKK/TBH = Great
Fu/Cai = Excellent
Chandra/Tony = Phenomenal
MK/Hendra = Great, excellent, and phenomenal

Don't be too surprise if MK/HS success wouldn't last long :eek: ;)

Don't be too surprise if MK/HS success wouldn't last long :eek: ;)

i won't be surprised..becos another young ina pair will be their successor :p :p

Me cocky ? Needless to say. ;) But always in respect of players (especially Malaysian).

that's worse.. never respected other country players

that's worse.. never respected other country players

I like the way you twist my words. Everyone can read, it says 'always respecting players' but of course, 'especially Malaysian ones'. Obviously, I have to support Malaysian players more.:D:p

Me cocky ? Needless to say. ;) But always in respect of players (especially Malaysian).
Pls respect others also.....;)

Don't be too surprise if MK/HS success wouldn't last long :eek: ;)
well...no pairs can last long...even KKK/TBH as well as cia yun/FHF:rolleyes:

Pls respect others also.....;)

You know what is 'selective reading' : hope it is not reflected in your work coz you can pay a price for it.:D

Me cocky ? Needless to say. ;) But always in respect of players (especially Malaysian).


of course You are cocky...what the hell you said that all indonesian postings are cokcy and flowery....you are damn arrogant!!:mad::mad:..it is so foolish!!

It is not respectful..when you said Indonesians...it represents all Indonesian people..I think you should apologize to us...I am not going to take it easily....:mad::mad:

I like the way you twist my words. Everyone can read, it says 'always respecting players' but of course, 'especially Malaysian ones'. Obviously, I have to support Malaysian players more.:D:p


you can support your Malaysian players...but always rspect other players too...do you want us to insult your players too? will you like it???:mad:

You know what is 'selective reading' : hope it is not reflected in your work coz you can pay a price for it.:D


you will pay the price for it.....you have big mouth...be reasonable...you have insulted us

How about these ?

KKK-TBH = BAD
FU-CAI = Worse
Chandra-Tony = Lousy
MK-HD = Rubbish

All great things rose from 'Rubbish' level.:D
KKK/TBH without Rexy= rubbish,...will never born....pls respect MK/HS...Rubbish is another insult word......

Aiyoh, so sensitive ah ? Take it easy, isn't that what you guys always tell me to do ? Don't read too much into anything, it will give you blood pressure - it is not worth it, especially if they are to refute or to reject what I had said.:D

Note : Don't let anything cloud your mind else it will control you (Poet Longfellow).


This is a nation pride...I think it is racist.....I am sure you will feel the same...;)

Me cocky ? Needless to say. ;) But always in respect of players (especially Malaysian).
How come you respect other players when you say " MK/HS is rubbish.....:mad::mad: they are WC...KKK/TBH is only AE....not even WC.....thats real rubbish!!

..X Ball is getting into huangkwokhau's & Krisna's skins, now...Eeeaasy guys...:p:cool:

xball is also on my radar ... i allow he flys over ina terrority but once he provokes. "my F22 raptor" will intercept him

xball is also on my radar ... i allow he flys over ina terrority but once he provokes. "my F22 raptor" will intercept him

I travel by 'stealth' - non-detectable, my friend. You just got 'bombed'.;)

Guys,cool down..:o

I should have said it is relative to time. At any one time, someone may be in form and wins. Hence my point to Taufik is KKK-TBH can win if they are in form but of course, everyone chose to take that as meaning KKK-TBH will win.

I don't mind being distorted as I, too, distort things.:D

I like this confession from my friend up north. :)

It is only for the sake of making the debates more interesting and i hope we all understand that and join in the fun with a pinch of salt and never to take it seriously or personally.

The recent tournaments have shown that many top class players have created upsets. Of particular note is that even the top Chinese women players have been beaten by European players.

So, what does this tell us. That when in good form, any top class player can cause upsets whoever their opponent is - whether he is world no.1, or the WC, Olympic, Asian or European champion! :cool:

Now INA is in top form but can they maintain this form or have they peaked too soon for next year's Olympics? The same question could be asked of other countries, the individual players who shone recently or those who played badly.

Must the status quo remain for a relatively long period of time? How consistent can a player be? Can he/she maintain peak form throughout the year? Are they supernatural? :rolleyes:

Guys,cool down..:o


I am cool but definitely not down.;) The other guys are not cool and also very down - you can tell by their eagerness to justify and their ranting. Something is bothering them (perhaps the wives did not do breakfast maybe or girlfriends got angry because they forgot their birthdays or anniversaries). Hmmmmm............settle guys, take some tablets.:D;)

I like this confession from my friend up north. :)

It is only for the sake of making the debates more interesting and i hope we all understand that and join in the fun with a pinch of salt and never to take it seriously or personally.

The recent tournaments have shown that many top class players have created upsets. Of particular note is that even the top Chinese women players have been beaten by European players.

So, what does this tell us. That when in good form, any top class player can cause upsets whoever their opponent is - whether he is world no.1, or the WC, Olympic, Asian or European champion! :cool:

Now INA is in top form but can they maintain this form or have they peaked too soon for next year's Olympics? The same question could be asked of other countries, the individual players who shone recently or those who played badly.

Must the status quo remain for a relatively long period of time? How consistent can a player be? Can he/she maintain peak form throughout the year? Are they supernatural? :rolleyes:


Ah, words of wisdom from the Wise One. Greetings.

I am cool but definitely not down.;) The other guys are not cool and also very down - you can tell by their eagerness to justify and their ranting. Something is bothering them (perhaps the wives did not do breakfast maybe or girlfriends got angry because they forgot their birthdays or anniversaries). Hmmmmm............settle guys, take some tablets.:D;)
we are not cool down because of some stupid words you choose...it is insult....you should be more careful next time....it is nation pride..you can not say" all indonesian postings are flowery and cocky"...excuse me??? are you educated enough? I guess not...you attacked Badmania for similar things....he apologized to you guys and still..you guys were after him....

I am okay with debates, not insult with Rubbish, ect..even there is no MAS coach was able to bring MAS MD on the map right now if it was not REXY, another Indonesian...MAS owes him BIG TIME then you insult us" all indonesian postings are flowery and cocky'????WTF with your head????

hey this thread is about Macau Open 2007 website....what does it related to rexy?:mad::D
*OFFTOPIC*:p
hey wait a minute..... i post this in the Macau Open 2007 website but y izit here in this thread??? is there something wrong??:eek::o:(:confused:

I travel by 'stealth' - non-detectable, my friend. You just got 'bombed'.;)

i'm using russian radar that can detect a stealth plane.. f22 is stealth fighter before you know i'll be behind your tail

I am cool but definitely not down.;) The other guys are not cool and also very down - you can tell by their eagerness to justify and their ranting. Something is bothering them (perhaps the wives did not do breakfast maybe or girlfriends got angry because they forgot their birthdays or anniversaries). Hmmmmm............settle guys, take some tablets.:D;)
as long as there is no apology from you...we, Indonesians will not settle down...how dare you!!

as long as there is no apology from you...we, Indonesians will not settle down...how dare you!!


Oooooh.....you definitely need to see a doctor. I am sorry but you are overreacting. You might just bust an artery soon.

Oooooh.....you definitely need to see a doctor. I am sorry but you are overreacting. You might just bust an artery soon.
You are the one that you need to see the doctor....so you ar so damn arrogant!!!

Oooooh.....you definitely need to see a doctor. I am sorry but you are overreacting. You might just bust an artery soon.
You are the one that you need to see the doctor with your stupid remarks......so you ar so damn arrogant!!!

I am cool but definitely not down.;) The other guys are not cool and also very down - you can tell by their eagerness to justify and their ranting. Something is bothering them (perhaps the wives did not do breakfast maybe or girlfriends got angry because they forgot their birthdays or anniversaries). Hmmmmm............settle guys, take some tablets.:D;)

you have insulted us.. there's no tablet to cure that but aplogize...

this is not funny Xball...certain things you make thing is okay,...for us it is NOT

You are the one that you need to see the doctor with your stupid remarks......so you ar so damn arrogant!!!

Hahaha, ok bust your artery...see if I care.

you have insulted us.. there's no tablet to cure that but aplogize...


Apologise for your overreaction ? Over my dead body !

Hahaha, ok bust your artery...see if I care.
sure..your KKK/TBH is rubbish....crying baby.....love meeting you face to face...

Apologise for your overreaction ? Over my dead body !


You are dead anyway to us....overaction??? your Malaysain postings are rubbish and cocky....thats we have to say to you....shame on you!!

sure..your KKK/TBH is rubbish....crying baby.....love meeting you face to face...


Shows you up doesn't it ? Sorry, not keen to meet up with you.

Shows you up doesn't it ? Sorry, not keen to meet up with you.
of course you will not...you are coward anyway.....

Hahaha, ok bust your artery...see if I care.

i care... bro .... :mad:

you must apologize to us...

it's ok to 'insult' me personally.. but Indonesians.. WTF how dare you :mad:

The 21 pts system makes the MD standards closer between pairs. Initially I thought this would be to the disadvantage of older more experienced pairs (Eriksen/Lundgaard's humiliating loss to Cai/Fu in WC2006 didn't help matters).

But a year later, just look at Tony/Candra. A few months ago they lost at semis level, then early rounds. But they retained their JO title, and convincingly too. May I add that they are playing without guidance. At the same time, we see the resurgence of older (initially not so well-performing) pairs like Rasmussen/Paaske, Choong/Lee and Luluk/Alvent.

There seems to be spurts of high performance from different pairs. Earlier in the year, Koo/Tan were almost unbeatable. Then Cai/Fu took over from SG Open, and now Markis/Hendra hold the fort. It is not wishful thinking to see another different pair take over before the year ends.

Consistency in MD is becoming more difficult to master in PPR system, all it needs is some errors to put you out of the game. And so u see Cai/Fu get beaten by Choong/Lee and Rasmussen/Paaske, Koo/Tan to Ikeda/Sakamoto and Luluk/Alvent, and Jung/Lee to Ohtsuka/Masuda and Rasmussen/Paaske.

Opponents are getting better at adapting to the high speed tempo and pattern of play of the leading pairs. This results in MAS pairs losing to Singaporeans and Thais, ENG pair losing to Poles and Russians, DEN losing to Japanese etc. If this continues, it's an open field for the Olympic Gold.

You are dead anyway to us....overaction??? your Malaysain postings are rubbish and cocky....thats we have to say to you....shame on you!!

It is like telling the world that my comments were wrong and then you stoop into the same thing. How simple minded.

of course you will not...you are coward anyway.....


Your ranting is getting worse..it is affecting your thoughts. You are showing yourself up as a violent person. I feel rather sorry for you.

Your ranting is getting worse..it is affecting your thoughts. You are showing yourself up as a violent person. I feel rather sorry for you.
me too..............I think you owe us APOLOGY!!!

me too..............I think you owe us APOLOGY!!!

I owe you nothing - you overreacted. If anything you owe me an apology for causing this irrational outrage and verbal threat of violence.

Take it easy guys... the thread will be closed if we still continue about these arguements.

Apologise for your overreaction ? Over my dead body !

if i insulted malaysians.. what would you do ? smile...

I think some of us are over-reacting, this thread might be locked if we don't dispense with the heat. Let's just stop "provocative" postings. I am sure that deep down everyone has respect to what players have achieved, whether they be Indonesian, Malaysian, Chinese etc.

Personally, I would say that measuring greatness is based on what you have achieved, irrespective of your form of the moment ('cos that only counts for specific tournaments).

In which case, among players still active, Tony/Candra are in front ..... Olympic & All-England champs together, plus World Champs with different partners.:D

In contrast, Cai/Fu - World and All-England champs
Markis/Hendra - World Champions
Koo/Tan - Asian Games and All-England champs

But nobody has reached the pinnacle of Ricky/Rexy, Olympic, World, All-England and Asian Games champs. Probably nobody ever will.

I do agree that KKK/TBH is nothing if without Rexy. He is the mastermind for all these. No matter what the outcome is we should thank him. But at the sametime badminton is about teamwork.. no matter which country we are from. Weather the player is from Malaysia, Coach from Indonesia or vice versa. All devoted their lives in playing and promoting badminton. So please guys dont act like a 10yr old child fighting each other. If not ANTS will take out his cane and spank all of you here. :)

Take it easy guys... the thread will be closed if we still continue about these arguements.

Exactly...........I will be more circumspect after that. Tak boleh tahan ini simple minded arguments. Such trivialism.

Wow...it's getting hot....

if i insulted malaysians.. what would you do ? smile...


Sorry I am not as narrow minded as you -- I cannot explain it if you don't understand that it meant nothing but a friendly tit-for-tat. If you take that out of context and make a 'hill' out of that, then it is your problem not mine.

For the health of this thread to continue, you can take an apology from me if it makes you happy but you would have missed the fun I thought we had from the postings by being able to go for a friendly tit-for-tat.

Sorry I am not as narrow minded as you -- I cannot explain it if you don't understand that it meant nothing but a friendly tit-for-tat. If you take that out of context and make a 'hill' out of that, then it is your problem not mine.

For the health of this thread to continue, you can take an apology from me if it makes you happy but you would have missed the fun I thought we had from the postings by being able to go for a friendly tit-for-tat.

you said flowery to indonesians... that's not a joke...

Sorry I am not as narrow minded as you -- I cannot explain it if you don't understand that it meant nothing but a friendly tit-for-tat. If you take that out of context and make a 'hill' out of that, then it is your problem not mine.

For the health of this thread to continue, you can take an apology from me if it makes you happy but you would have missed the fun I thought we had from the postings by being able to go for a friendly tit-for-tat.

Xball...sometimes...you need to understand...you may think it is funny but for us it is serious..we have different cultures and background ..as long as you apologize sincerely I am fine., not to want make us happy.......I do not like to argue but I know some players well and I have to defend them as they play so hard to earn the living....then you call them rubbish is hard...you know that badminton players have to sacrifice their lives ..most of them do not go to school at all....

Xball...sometimes...you need to understand...you may not think it is funny but for us it is serious....as long as you apologize I am fine....I do not like to argue but I know some players well and I have to defend them as they play so hard to earn the living....then you call them rubbish is hard...you know that badminton players have to sacrifice their lives ..most of them do not go to school at all....

Ok lah leave it. The more said the worse it becomes -- totally out of context.

Cease the fire
Rest in peace...

OK..OK..my dear friends (X-Ball, Taufik-ist, Rudy)

Peace, peace, peace.

The 21 pts system makes the MD standards closer between pairs. Initially I thought this would be to the disadvantage of older more experienced pairs (Eriksen/Lundgaard's humiliating loss to Cai/Fu in WC2006 didn't help matters).

But a year later, just look at Tony/Candra. A few months ago they lost at semis level, then early rounds. But they retained their JO title, and convincingly too. May I add that they are playing without guidance. At the same time, we see the resurgence of older (initially not so well-performing) pairs like Rasmussen/Paaske, Choong/Lee and Luluk/Alvent.

There seems to be spurts of high performance from different pairs. Earlier in the year, Koo/Tan were almost unbeatable. Then Cai/Fu took over from SG Open, and now Markis/Hendra hold the fort. It is not wishful thinking to see another different pair take over before the year ends.

Consistency in MD is becoming more difficult to master in PPR system, all it needs is some errors to put you out of the game. And so u see Cai/Fu get beaten by Choong/Lee and Rasmussen/Paaske, Koo/Tan to Ikeda/Sakamoto and Luluk/Alvent, and Jung/Lee to Ohtsuka/Masuda and Rasmussen/Paaske.

Opponents are getting better at adapting to the high speed tempo and pattern of play of the leading pairs. This results in MAS pairs losing to Singaporeans and Thais, ENG pair losing to Poles and Russians, DEN losing to Japanese etc. If this continues, it's an open field for the Olympic Gold.

i agree. it seems that no one pair can really dominate. everytime they go on court it is 50-50. whoever plays the best game will win. upsets are aplenty. but, i kinda like it. it makes it more interesting. granted that seeing malaysian doubles lose are a bit hard but seeing other pairs playing well are good indeed. :D

It is true that sometimes WORDS can convey different meanings to different people. They could hurt feelings and make things worse although the INTENTION was without malice and certainly the writers had no ill feelings in the beginning.

This thread started innocently as with many others to drum up interest and for BFers to interact. Yes we jibe, we make fun of certain situations, somethimes our description may be too overbearing and instigated an equally strong response, but if both sides simmer down a bit, things will revert to normal and we can resume normal conversation later. I have experienced this myself. :(

Most of us take this forum as an outlet to pass away some dull moments in our day. It is meant to de-stress not to add to our stress level. Certainly we don't come here to make it a worse day for ourselves.

So if we can adopt a "give and take" attitude and always have in mind that fellow BFers just like ourself seriously have no intention, interest nor benefit to cause unnecessary problems, it will be to the best interest of all.

So I beseech all contributors to be mindful of this BC Spirit and continue to make BC Forum a much sought-after place to congregate for all to enjoy. The less strong words used for now, the better.

you said flowery to indonesians... that's not a joke...

Actually I meant this to be a compliment! :D (You see it has a different meaning to me.)

To me, it means that Indonesians can use beautiful words (like flowers) or descriptions. I'm sure most of us already got a sample of Krisna's 'flowery' words. Krisna strikes me as one of the few Indonesians (and might I say "BFers") in our forum who writes beautifully, in good English! :)

Oh, may I add that Malaysian abedeng too writes beautiful English!

For us...flowery means berbunga-bunga..meaning it is a dream...basically what you say is zip......so it is not a compliment for us

KKK/TBH without Rexy= rubbish,...will never born....pls respect MK/HS...Rubbish is another insult word......

agree with your statement
KKK/TBH is nothing without Rexy

Indonesian badminton players are still the best in SEA

VIVA INDONESIA

It is true that sometimes WORDS can convey different meanings to different people. They could hurt feelings and make things worse although the INTENTION was without malice and certainly the writers had no ill feelings in the beginning.

This thread started innocently as with many others to drum up interest and for BFers to interact. Yes we jibe, we make fun of certain situations, somethimes our description may be too overbearing and instigated an equally strong response, but if both sides simmer down a bit, things will revert to normal and we can resume normal conversation later. I have experienced this myself. :(

Most of us take this forum as an outlet to pass away some dull moments in our day. It is meant to de-stress not to add to our stress level. Certainly we don't come here to make it a worse day for ourselves.

So if we can adopt a "give and take" attitude and always have in mind that fellow BFers just like ourself seriously have no intention, interest nor benefit to cause unnecessary problems, it will be to the best interest of all.

So I beseech all contributors to be mindful of this BC Spirit and continue to make BC Forum a much sought-after place to congregate for all to enjoy. The less strong words used for now, the better.


Well spoken. I subscribe to that. Too much stress and we take things too emotionally and turn things from what they are not into something else.

The word 'flowery' is intended to mean that Indonesians are so good with their words and even that is not meant to derogate but to have a friendly jibe. If I meant to derogate, I would have been blunt like "You are full of ****...." - and believe me, I would not have minced my words.

OK..OK..my dear friends (X-Ball, Taufik-ist, Rudy)

Peace, peace, peace.


Good man. Let us makan Nasi Padang when I am in Indonesia.

I think some of us are over-reacting, this thread might be locked if we don't dispense with the heat. Let's just stop "provocative" postings. I am sure that deep down everyone has respect to what players have achieved, whether they be Indonesian, Malaysian, Chinese etc.

Personally, I would say that measuring greatness is based on what you have achieved, irrespective of your form of the moment ('cos that only counts for specific tournaments).

In which case, among players still active, Tony/Candra are in front ..... Olympic & All-England champs together, plus World Champs with different partners.:D

In contrast, Cai/Fu - World and All-England champs
Markis/Hendra - World Champions
Koo/Tan - Asian Games and All-England champs

But nobody has reached the pinnacle of Ricky/Rexy, Olympic, World, All-England and Asian Games champs. Probably nobody ever will.

So, in conclusion.. Both Fu/Chai ; Kido/Setiawan & Koo/Tan are ......
LOSERS :eek:

THE WINNERS IS........ RICKY/REXY ;)

GUYS, aren't we supposed to talk about men's doubles??? Seems to be have gone to inter-country sentiments.

Huang, you're usually so cool, rare to see you so angry. I liked(and still like) your comments on the playing styles,etc, etc cos I'm not very well versed. That's why I like BC forum.


X-ball, ever the provoker. Can we get back to discussion?