Macao Open will decide who will be the new world number 1. The Indonesian pair snatched WR1 after a good showing in Taipei. However, only 300 points separate 1 and 2 and a further 400 separate 2 and 3... In contrast, WR4(TG/CW) is trailing KKK TBH (3) by 12000 points...

GO KKK TBH!!!

Macao Open will decide who will be the new world number 1. The Indonesian pair snatched WR1 after a good showing in Taipei. However, only 300 points separate 1 and 2 and a further 400 separate 2 and 3... In contrast, WR4(TG/CW) is trailing KKK TBH (3) by 12000 points...

GO KKK TBH!!!

go... kido/setiawan ....

prove you deserve #1 WR :D

go... kido/setiawan ....

prove you deserve #1 WR :D

ball X reverse of X ball???

KKK TBH MUST WIN!!! :P :P

ball X reverse of X ball???

KKK TBH MUST WIN!!! :P :P

i'm not like him :D

i hope they (mk/hs & KKK/TBH) will meet in semifinal..
the match will be interesting to watch... explosive vs explosive

2006 Winner for MD:

Champion: Fu Hai Feng/ Cai Yun

So FHF/CY has points to defend and MK/HS and KKK/TBH did not participate ( TBH paired with Haw Hoon)

2006 Winner for MD:

Champion: Fu Hai Feng/ Cai Yun

So FHF/CY has points to defend and MK/HS and KKK/TBH did not participate ( TBH paired with Haw Hoon)

corrections : TBH partner last year : Hoon Thien How ;)

2006 Winner for MD:

Champion: Fu Hai Feng/ Cai Yun

So FHF/CY has points to defend and MK/HS and KKK/TBH did not participate ( TBH paired with Haw Hoon)

That mean FHF/CY will lose point if they cant defend their title here.....KKK/TBH have to go into Final to over take MK/HS....provided FHF/CY fail to enter Final:p.....to become WR No. 1.....that's tough...tough....for KKK/TBH recent form....:o

But for MK/HS ...they just need to defeat FHF/CY in the Final...to stay on top of the World.....it will be easier for them...if FHF/CY fail to enter Final...:D

As for FHF/CY.....only one way...to stay at WR No. 2 ...is to defend their title in Macau......;)... Is that RIGHT ?

Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun DON'T HAVE to defend their title since their points for Macau Open 2006 HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEDUCTED.

Fu/Cai WILL GET ADDITIONAL POINTS as long as they qualify for QF (3600 pts, the lowest in the events this year, which they get in Malaysia Open SS 2007) and they are almost likely to progress beyond QF.

The similar situation goes for Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong. They WILL GET ADDITIONAL POINTS as long as they progress past Round 1/16, which is also pretty much guaranteed. They will face a stern test only in the QF against either Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae or Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo or

Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan's lowest achievement this year is QF in a SS event (5040 pts). So, if they lost before QF, Macau Open WILL NOT BE COUNTED in their rankings. IF, they fulfill their seeding and lost in the SF, there will be additional 1320 ranking pts.

So, assuming Kido/Hendra lost in SF and Fu/Cai + KKK/TBH progress to the Final (as expected), they will climb above Kido/Hendra in the rankings table.

yup, it seems more likely that either CY/FHF or KKK/TBH will get the no.1 spot off MK/HS. both of them only have to get pack round 1/16 to add to their points tally, can't really see either failing to do so. my money's on the CHN pair though.

on a separate note, i wish they wouldn't give points to team events like the thomas, uber or sudirman cup. how are those points awarded anyways? does it mean that if one's team wins the competition one will get the total team points even if one doesn't win any of one's games? that's fairly unrealistic if that's the case.

yup, it seems more likely that either CY/FHF or KKK/TBH will get the no.1 spot off MK/HS. both of them only have to get pack round 1/16 to add to their points tally, can't really see either failing to do so. my money's on the CHN pair though.

on a separate note, i wish they wouldn't give points to team events like the thomas, uber or sudirman cup. how are those points awarded anyways? does it mean that if one's team wins the competition one will get the total team points even if one doesn't win any of one's games? that's fairly unrealistic if that's the case.

what if kido/setiawan win macau open 2007... are they still # 1 ?

what if kido/setiawan win macau open 2007... are they still # 1 ?

Undoubtedly .. ...........

what if kido/setiawan win macau open 2007... are they still # 1 ?

A tricky question, but, I don't think they will still remain in the no 1 spot IF Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun also progress to the Finals.

on a separate note, i wish they wouldn't give points to team events like the thomas, uber or sudirman cup. how are those points awarded anyways? does it mean that if one's team wins the competition one will get the total team points even if one doesn't win any of one's games? that's fairly unrealistic if that's the case.

its not like that, for team competitions, its a bit more complicated. Every opponent you play, you get 10% of their ranking points if you lose. If you win, you get 20% (or something like that) of their ranking points. So at the end of the day, you add up all the ranking points earned during all the matches you played and then bingo... you get your team points

Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun DON'T HAVE to defend their title since their points for Macau Open 2006 HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEDUCTED.

Fu/Cai WILL GET ADDITIONAL POINTS as long as they qualify for QF (3600 pts, the lowest in the events this year, which they get in Malaysia Open SS 2007) and they are almost likely to progress beyond QF.

The similar situation goes for Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong. They WILL GET ADDITIONAL POINTS as long as they progress past Round 1/16, which is also pretty much guaranteed. They will face a stern test only in the QF against either Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae or Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo or

Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan's lowest achievement this year is QF in a SS event (5040 pts). So, if they lost before QF, Macau Open WILL NOT BE COUNTED in their rankings. IF, they fulfill their seeding and lost in the SF, there will be additional 1320 ranking pts.

So, assuming Kido/Hendra lost in SF and Fu/Cai + KKK/TBH progress to the Final (as expected), they will climb above Kido/Hendra in the rankings table.

I see.....Thanks for the infos....:p..

TG/CW's era is over.TG attack is not as dangerous as when he was mentioned to be the best player in MD.He plays best when he's paired with Halim Haryanto.HH is the wall breaker!
For Candra,I prefer CW,esp when he paired with SH.Candra/Sigit is best combo ever!Hope they can be pair again sometime in the future.

These two pairs met before,in ALL ENGLAND 2001 final.U should check out the match,in youtube.That's the best MD match i've ever watched.

For this champinship,i am not so convinced in KKK/TBH's performance these days,compared to kido/hendra's.I guess Malay's older pair does better than the younger pairs these days.So,i guess the final is gonna be between kido/hendra n CY/FHF..

TG/CW's era is over.TG attack is not as dangerous as when he was mentioned to be the best player in MD.He plays best when he's paired with Halim Haryanto.HH is the wall breaker!
For Candra,I prefer CW,esp when he paired with SH.Candra/Sigit is best combo ever!Hope they can be pair again sometime in the future.

These two pairs met before,in ALL ENGLAND 2001 final.U should check out the match,in youtube.That's the best MD match i've ever watched.

For this champinship,i am not so convinced in KKK/TBH's performance these days,compared to kido/hendra's.I guess Malay's older pair does better than the younger pairs these days.So,i guess the final is gonna be between kido/hendra n CY/FHF..

I do agree that Tony/Candra's best years are not now.BUT, they still show that they are one of the top pair in the World, clincing one Super Series title this year.

Candra/Sigit vs Tony/Halim's match during the AE Final 2001 was certainly explosive...those are the days.

Kido/Hendra have to prove that they are not a flash in the pan...and time is on their side. For them to be considered a really world class pair (in the league of Candra/Sigit or Tony/Candra), they have to WIN the All-England, some Super-Series titles, help INA regain the Thomas Cup and hopefully either an Olympics Gold or Asian Games Gold. There's still a lot of homework...but...I still have confidence in them.

all in all, the who ever wins Macau Open (either MK/HS, CY/FHF or KKK/TBH) will be No. 1 most probably.. hehe :D

all in all, the who ever wins Macau Open (either MK/HS, CY/FHF or KKK/TBH) will be No. 1 most probably.. hehe :D

I think the winner for MD division will be NONE of this three pairs :p

I think the winner for MD division will be NONE of this three pairs :p


i agree with u.. the md winner will be Rian/Yoke :D :D

what ever happens, my support will onlly be for kkk/tbh
hwaiting!!

yeah!!!

KKK TBH FOREVER!!!

JIA YOU!!!

I do agree that Tony/Candra's best years are not now.BUT, they still show that they are one of the top pair in the World, clincing one Super Series title this year.

Candra/Sigit vs Tony/Halim's match during the AE Final 2001 was certainly explosive...those are the days.

Kido/Hendra have to prove that they are not a flash in the pan...and time is on their side. For them to be considered a really world class pair (in the league of Candra/Sigit or Tony/Candra), they have to WIN the All-England, some Super-Series titles, help INA regain the Thomas Cup and hopefully either an Olympics Gold or Asian Games Gold. There's still a lot of homework...but...I still have confidence in them.
im not sure why MK/HS is still not regarded as a main threat to everyone... everyone is just thinkin tat oh KKK/TBH will win.. or Feng Yun or LYD/JJS.. perhaps is because of their still kind of inconsistent showings.. maybe they win few tourneys in a row, they can actly create a fan network bigger than feng yun's n KKK/TBH's.. haha... anyways all da best for them.. they look set be the next super star already.. :D

yeah!!!

KKK TBH FOREVER!!!

JIA YOU!!!
yeeeee haaaa.... :D

easily Fu/Cai...

easily Fu/Cai...


easily Koo/Tan :P

easily Koo/Tan :P

I would say Beres/Milroy, but then again, i'd be dreaming :D;):p

Easily Kido/Setiawan, Fu/Cai or Koo/Tan. All 3 still in the running at semifinal stage.

The only thing certain is Choong/Lee won't be World No 1 even if they win ..........:D

im not sure why MK/HS is still not regarded as a main threat to everyone... everyone is just thinkin tat oh KKK/TBH will win.. or Feng Yun or LYD/JJS.. perhaps is because of their still kind of inconsistent showings..

It's not that Kido/Setiawan are inconsistent, more about lack of titles before suddenly winning World Championships. Much like Rasmussen/Paaske, Champions in 2003 who haven't really won anything meaningful before and after the World Crown. Most World Champ winners have won quite a few titles before landing the biggie .....

But unlike the Danes, Kido/Setiawan are in better position to build on their reputation. Some pairs are like that, they win biggies first and then cement their reputation. Razif/Jalani Sidek and Park Joo Bong/Kim Moon Soo didn't have much momentum either, until both these pairs won All-England. Of course, Professor Park had shown his potential with Lee Eun Ku at 1982 All-England, as do Jalani Sidek with big bro Misbun in 1980 World Championships.

im not sure why MK/HS is still not regarded as a main threat to everyone... everyone is just thinkin tat oh KKK/TBH will win.. or Feng Yun or LYD/JJS.. perhaps is because of their still kind of inconsistent showings.. maybe they win few tourneys in a row, they can actly create a fan network bigger than feng yun's n KKK/TBH's.. haha... anyways all da best for them.. they look set be the next super star already.. :D
It's not that Kido/Setiawan are inconsistent, more about lack of titles before suddenly winning World Championships. Much like Rasmussen/Paaske, Champions in 2003 who haven't really won anything meaningful before and after the World Crown. Most World Champ winners have won quite a few titles before landing the biggie .....
..perhaps the jury is still out with Kido & Setiawan, eventhough they are the current World Champions. And one could wonder why? Perhaps because they haven't won tourneys and titles **consistently enough**. Sure, the WC and the recently ended CTO gave them their deserved titles. But perhaps, what people/fans/critics are clamoring for is if they can achieve the same level of performance, tourneys in and tourneys out, months in and months out, say, reaching the Finals or Semis in every tourneys, they participate in, for a lengthy period of time. Whilst at the same time garnering more titles, just like their predecessors....Yes, it might sound like a tall order being put on them, but hey, if that's what the people/fans/critics are looking for, then it's no more satisfying than to prove those people/fans/critics wrong...So far, they've lived up to all expectation and if they can somehow sustain their performance (and win this Macau Open title), and the subsequent tourneys, then perhaps there will be less "whispers of doubts" in their abilities..And in a way, this goes to other young MD pairs also, yes, incl. KKK & TBH..;):cool:

..perhaps the jury is still out with Kido & Setiawan, eventhough they are the current World Champions. And one could wonder why? Perhaps because they haven't won tourneys and titles **consistently enough**. Sure, the WC and the recently ended CTO gave them their deserved titles. But perhaps, what people/fans/critics are clamoring for is if they can achieve the same level of performance, tourneys in and tourneys out, months in and months out, say, reaching the Finals or Semis in every tourneys, they participate in, for a lengthy period of time. Whilst at the same time garnering more titles, just like their predecessors....Yes, it might sound like a tall order being put on them, but hey, if that's what the people/fans/critics are looking for, then it's no more satisfying than to prove those people/fans/critics wrong...So far, they've lived up to all expectation and if they can somehow sustain their performance (and win this Macau Open title), and the subsequent tourneys, then perhaps there will be less "whispers of doubts" in their abilities..And in a way, this goes to other young MD pairs also, yes, incl. KKK & TBH..;):cool:

Honestly, as I mentioned in the other thread, it's simply IMPOSSIBLE to sustain consistency, esp in a hotly contested field such as Men's Doubles :cool: With reference to Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun, they also did not win titles consistently...there were periods of 7-8 mths in the past 2 years that they failed to win titles.

I would disagree with regards to the lack of titles before winning the WC. They have won the 6* Indonesia, HKG and China Opens in 2005 and 2006. Esp in China Open 2006, they beat Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen and Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun in the Semi and Final respectively. They have proven their credentials, its only a matter of time when they will land the World Championships.

Of course, the jury is still out on when whether they will maintain the strong showings....but...I have confidence in them.

Reference to Fu/Cai's titles:
March 2004 Swiss Open -- first title
March 2005 German Open -- one year later
March 2005 All England Open -- similarly, as one might argue, no big title before that
Nov 2005 Hong Kong Open -- a break of 8 mths before they win another title
Jun 2006 Chinese Taipei Open -- again, another break of 7 mths
July 2006 Macau Open -- consecutive title
Sep 2006 World Championships -- another big title
May 2007 Singapore SS -- again, another break of 9 mths
May 2007 Indonesia SS -- consecutive title
July 2007 China Masters SS -- best results of 3 consecutive titles

So....does that mean that Fu/Cai is also inconsistent during 2004-2006?

Kido/Hendra's record:
Sep 2005 Asian Championships -- first title
Sep 2005 Indonesia Open -- first consecutive title
Dec 2005 SEA Games Individual -- not counted
Aug 2006 Hong Kong Open -- finally another title after a break of almost a year (for GP events)
Oct 2006 China Open -- best tourney so far I would say
Oct 2006 Invitational World Cup -- first consecutive title
Jul 2007 World Championships -- unexpected big title after a break of 9 mths
Sep 2007 Chinese-Taipei Open -- keeping the momentum.

I would disagree with regards to the lack of titles before winning the WC. They have won the 6* Indonesia, HKG and China Opens in 2005 and 2006. Esp in China Open 2006, they beat Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen and Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun in the Semi and Final respectively. They have proven their credentials, its only a matter of time when they will land the World Championships.

So....does that mean that Fu/Cai is also inconsistent during 2004-2006?
..what tjl_vanguard's and abedeng's (and many other people's/fans'/critics') points in their posts is the "sense" that Kido & Setiawan did not appear in as many later rounds(SF and Finals respectively), in comparison to KKK & TBH and/or FHF & CY, eventhough they had won as many titles as KKK & TBH and/or FHF & CY. The list of titles, shown above, esp. garnered by CY & FHF (which is nice for reference guide) could also show that they are "not as dominant" as people/fans/critics thought. But perhaps it is their consistency in appearing in the later rounds (Semis & Finals), of each tourney(s), which "stands out" and left a mark, on people/fans/critics impressions, that they are more "dominant"...more "consistent"...more "of a threat"..
Btw, badMania, if it's not too much of a hassle for you:p, do you mind listing all the tourneys' finishes by those 3 pairs or 4, incl. JJS & LYD, which imo, are still relatively early in their playing stage as a pair (just as a comparison purpose for us )??:confused::p:cool:

Kido/Hendra are not as popular as KKK/TBH, CY/FHF and LYD/JJS simply because the Indonesian pairs are not as handsome as their opponents. If you want to be popular, you not only have to be extremely good but you also need to be extremely good looking. Well, that's how the world is nowadays and we call it ---BRAIN & BRAND---

if they can achieve the same level of performance, tourneys in and tourneys out, months in and months out, say, reaching the Finals or Semis in every tourneys, they participate in, for a lengthy period of time.

If this is what is considered consistency...I would say that Kido/Hendra are pretty consistent (esp in the last 2 years).
2006: 2 QFs (losing to CTF/LWW and Clark/Blair) in ABC and WC; 1 SF (losing to Tony/Candra in Korea Open) and 1 Runner-Up (losing to again Tony/Candra in Indonesia Open).

The only unexpected loss was to Hendri/Hendra in the first round of Singapore Open :cool: Other bad showing include the R32 loss to Clark/Blair (again). Note that they participated in only 8 GP events last year and 1 invitational tourney.
Record: 37-8 (2 losses to Clark/Blair and Tony/Candra, 1 loss to Hendri/Hendra, 1 loss to KKK/TBH, 1 loss to Choong/Lee, 1 loss to Fu/Cai)

Fu/Cai lost 10 times last year.

This year's record so far:
2 QFs (losing to Jung/Lee in Korea SS and KKK/TBH in Indonesia SS), 3 SFs (losing yet again to KKK/TBH in Malaysia SS and Chong/Lee in Singapore SS and that dubious loss to Luluk/Alvent in Japan SS), 1 Runner-Up (losing to Fu/Cai in China Masters SS).

The only early round loss was that unlucky R16 loss to Han/Cho in the All-England SS.
Record so far (including yesterday's match): 34-7.
Both KKK/TBH and Fu/Cai lost 6 times this year.

nice debates so far... between ctjcad and badmania..

those are better than my today breakfast :)

If this is what is considered consistency...I would say that Kido/Hendra are pretty consistent (esp in the last 2 years).
2006: 2 QFs (losing to CTF/LWW and Clark/Blair) in ABC and WC; 1 SF (losing to Tony/Candra in Korea Open) and 1 Runner-Up (losing to again Tony/Candra in Indonesia Open).

The only unexpected loss was to Hendri/Hendra in the first round of Singapore Open :cool: Other bad showing include the R32 loss to Clark/Blair (again). Note that they participated in only 8 GP events last year and 1 invitational tourney.
Record: 37-8 (2 losses to Clark/Blair and Tony/Candra, 1 loss to Hendri/Hendra, 1 loss to KKK/TBH, 1 loss to Choong/Lee, 1 loss to Fu/Cai)

Fu/Cai lost 10 times last year.

This year's record so far:
2 QFs (losing to Jung/Lee in Korea SS and KKK/TBH in Indonesia SS), 3 SFs (losing yet again to KKK/TBH in Malaysia SS and Chong/Lee in Singapore SS and that dubious loss to Luluk/Alvent in Japan SS), 1 Runner-Up (losing to Fu/Cai in China Masters SS).

The only early round loss was that unlucky R16 loss to Han/Cho in the All-England SS.
Record so far (including yesterday's match): 34-7.
Both KKK/TBH and Fu/Cai lost 6 times this year.

I would like to know where they are (meant their achievement) during the 1sy year of partnership... :rolleyes:

Jung/Lee's record this year:
2 R16s
2 QF
1 SF
3 Runner-Ups
1 Title

Jung/Lee's record in 2006:
1 R16
4 QFs
2 SFs
1 Runner-Up
2 Titles

KKK/TBH's record this year:
1 R16
1 QF
1 SF
1 Runner-Up
4 Titles

Fu/Cai's recod this year:
1 R16
3 QFs
1 Runner-Up
3 Titles

Fu/Cai's record last year:
1 R16 (All-England)
1 QF
3 SFs
2 Runner-Ups
3 Titles

Fu/Cai's record in 2005:
1 R16 (WC)
3 QFs
1 Runner-Up
3 Titles

Fu/Cai's record in 2004:
1 R32
3 R16s
1 QF
1 SF (AE)
2 Runner-Ups
1 Title

nice debates so far... between ctjcad and badmania..

those are better than my today breakfast :)
:p..keeping this trivial topic sort of alive, as i know badMania is an ardent fan of MK & HS (i'm looking from another perspective):D;)..well, wish if tjl_vanguard and abedeng and others could be here to chime in more (esp. on their views)..:cool:

Comparing Kido/Hendra's 2005 record to Fu/Cai's 2004 record (first full year):
1 R64 (AE -- always bad luck in AE so far)
2 R32s
3 R16s
2 QFs
1 SF
2 Titles (not including the SEA Games 2005)
Overall record: 24-10

Record in 2006 (second full year):
2 R32s (AE)
2 QFs
1 SF
1 Runner-Up
2 Titles (not including the Invitational World Cup 2006)
Overall record: 37-8

Record in 2007:
1 R16 (again AE :mad:)
2 QFs
3 SFs
2 Titles (WC)
Record so far: 33-7

..there you have it folks, a pretty comprehensive details of those 4 pairs' performances/results...Thanks, badMania, for the effort, hope the guys can slowly digest all the infos (they're a bit spread out but it's ok):cool:..(see, taufik-ist, our badMania is really a true follower of MK & HS;):cool:)

I wish the matches between KKK/TBH & MK/HS will not be a dull affair...
If MAS pair win & beat the possible opponents which is Feng Yun in the final tomorrow, only they can prove to the world that they are back to theri best..
QF : Beat JJS/LYD
SF : Beat MK/HS
Final : Win over Fu/Chai

Deserverd to be ... right ? :)

I wish the matches between KKK/TBH & MK/HS will not be a dull affair...
If MAS pair win & beat the possible opponents which is Feng Yun in the final tomorrow, only they can prove to the world that they are back to theri best..
QF : Beat JJS/LYD
SF : Beat MK/HS
Final : Win over Fu/Chai

Deserverd to be ... right ? :)

Similary, if Kido/Hendra were to become champion:
SF: Beat KKK/TBH
Final: Beat Fu/Cai

-- this will be the best tourney for them....eclipsing the World Championships 2006 and China Open 2006 (beat Fu/Cai comprehensively in front of their home crowd).

..there you have it folks, a pretty comprehensive details of those 4 pairs' performances/results...Thanks, badMania, for the effort, hope the guys can slowly digest all the infos (they're a bit spread out but it's ok):cool:..(see, taufik-ist, our badMania is really a true follower of MK & HS;):cool:)

You are welcome.....so what's your verdict now?

You are welcome.....so what's your verdict now?

he will be abstain :p :D

hmm... everything will be decided today. Will KKK TBH choke or will Markis and Hendra go away humiliated like the koreans?

my take on malaysian chokings:
The Badminton Blog (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com)

You are welcome.....so what's your verdict now?

the verdict will be decided today on court!

hmm... everything will be decided today. Will KKK TBH choke or will Markis and Hendra go away humiliated like the koreans?

my take on malaysian chokings:
The Badminton Blog (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com)

Normally Markis/Hendra will choke against Koo/Tan, not the other way round :D

Similary, if Kido/Hendra were to become champion:
SF: Beat KKK/TBH
Final: Beat Fu/Cai

-- this will be the best tourney for them....eclipsing the World Championships 2006 and China Open 2006 (beat Fu/Cai comprehensively in front of their home crowd).
..you meant World Championships 2007..;)
You are welcome.....so what's your verdict now?
:p..what's my verdict??..well, for now, all 3 or 4 pairs are in the same boat and fighting for the same bragging right...PERHAPS, just perhaps, the final verdict will be decided next yr in the Olympics ring in Beijing??..For all the glory & bragging rights..how's that, everyone??..:):cool:;)
he will be abstain :p :D
hmm... everything will be decided today.
the verdict will be decided today on court!
:p..(for now) yes, yes and yes..:D;)

Normally Markis/Hendra will choke against Koo/Tan, not the other way round :D

i hope so!!!
i really hope kKK TBH can win!!!

:p..what's my verdict??..well, for now, all 3 or 4 pairs are in the same boat and fighting for the same bragging right...PERHAPS, just perhaps, the final verdict will be decided next yr in the Olympics ring in Beijing??..For all the glory & bragging rights..how's that, everyone??..:):cool:;)


Exactly...I would rate Fu/Cai, Kido/Hendra, KKK/TBH EQUALLY and to a certain degree, all the top pairs can only dominate in certain periods of the year due to the intense competition.

I am prepared mentally if Kido/Hendra were to lose today and I have a feeling they would due to fatigue of participating in 3 tourneys with only less than a week of break in between :cool: I will let the Malaysians celebrate tonight...:D

BUT...if Kido/Hendra were to win........hmmm.......:rolleyes:

Ok...I am off to Macau to join Rudy Huang now....

Exactly...I would rate Fu/Cai, Kido/Hendra, KKK/TBH EQUALLY and to a certain degree, all the top pairs can only dominate in certain periods of the year due to the intense competition.

I am prepared mentally if Kido/Hendra were to lose today and I have a feeling they would due to fatigue of participating in 3 tourneys with only less than a week of break in between :cool: I will let the Malaysians celebrate tonight...:D

BUT...if Kido/Hendra were to win........hmmm.......:rolleyes:

Ok...I am off to Macau to join Rudy Huang now....

i just read from kompas newspaper, kido/setiawan will play "nekat" it means they will play all out.. the key to beat kkk/tbh is don't let them lead too far.. kkk/tbh often win by straight sets with big gap .. tight points often stumble them

Similary, if Kido/Hendra were to become champion:
SF: Beat KKK/TBH
Final: Beat Fu/Cai

-- this will be the best tourney for them....eclipsing the World Championships 2006 and China Open 2006 (beat Fu/Cai comprehensively in front of their home crowd).
Fu/Cai may have trouble against LWW/CTF, recent head to head records favors the Malaysian pair.

Fu/Cai may have trouble against LWW/CTF, recent head to head records favors the Malaysian pair.

but you see, this pair rarely play each other. The only 2 recent matches i remember are the WC and the singapore open, with their records 1-1.

Whatever the outcomes today, it will be exciting matches in MD.
Kido/Setiawan is not in peak form yet...talked to Kido and he wanted to fight as they have nothing to lose to KKK/TBH . They have lost few times to MAS...I asked if there is any strategy to play MAS? he said " NO"...just fight...KKK/TBH looks very relax in few days..thats good sign for MAS.

Whatever the outcomes today, it will be exciting matches in MD.
Kido/Setiawan is not in peak form yet...talked to Kido and he wanted to fight as they have nothing to lose to KKK/TBH . They have lost few times to MAS...I asked if there is any strategy to play MAS? he said " NO"...just fight...KKK/TBH looks very relax in few days..thats good sign for MAS.

there will be live on Astro today....
hopefully they will air the MD matches.....:)

Whatever the outcomes today, it will be exciting matches in MD.
Kido/Setiawan is not in peak form yet...talked to Kido and he wanted to fight as they have nothing to lose to KKK/TBH . They have lost few times to MAS...I asked if there is any strategy to play MAS? he said " NO"...just fight...KKK/TBH looks very relax in few days..thats good sign for MAS.

that's exactly what they said in kompas " tidak ada strategi khusus, hanya main nekat aja"... don't forget to cheer kido/setiawan (i'm sure badmania will be the person who cheer aloud :)) although you'll have to opposite with fastdrop :p :D

Fu/Cai may have trouble against LWW/CTF, recent head to head records favors the Malaysian pair.
Depends on how LWW/CTF play their G1.If they play relax or defensive(to burn up Fu/Cai's jet fuel), the match is in their favour if they achieve match point before 60mins (cos that's their Cinderalla time) LWW/CTF must just let G1 be short, doesn't matter if they lose like 21-13. If G1 scores like 21-18 in their favour,match is likely to exceed 60mins and their energy level and concentration drop drastically and loss would be in the air.

Depends on how LWW/CTF play their G1.If they play relax or defensive(to burn up Fu/Cai's jet fuel), the match is in their favour if they achieve match point before 60mins (cos that's their Cinderalla time) LWW/CTF must just let G1 be short, doesn't matter if they lose like 21-13. If G1 scores like 21-18 in their favour,match is likely to exceed 60mins and their energy level and concentration drop drastically and loss would be in the air.

i really doubt Fu/Cai's stamina on attack will affect it much...they do have enough stamina to go past 60 minutes if anything...but if it goes attack vs attack...then i might say Fu/Cai will be in trouble...their defence has been a little off as of late IMO...so if LWW/CTF play defensively oriented to try and take away the stamina, it means they'll focus less on their attack...but my point being, giving the attack to Fu/Cai is like playing with fire...which i do hope happens ^^...Fu/Cai will burn them up ^^

Exactly...I would rate Fu/Cai, Kido/Hendra, KKK/TBH EQUALLY and to a certain degree, all the top pairs can only dominate in certain periods of the year due to the intense competition.

I am prepared mentally if Kido/Hendra were to lose today and I have a feeling they would due to fatigue of participating in 3 tourneys with only less than a week of break in between :cool: I will let the Malaysians celebrate tonight...:D


Similary, if Kido/Hendra were to become champion:
SF: Beat KKK/TBH
Final: Beat Fu/Cai

-- this will be the best tourney for them....eclipsing the World Championships 2006 and China Open 2006 (beat Fu/Cai comprehensively in front of their home crowd).


KKK/TBH beat Kido/Setiawan in straight sets. Very fast play, over in about 25 minutes.

And yup, we already discussed that in another thread. 1st quarter of the year was to Msia, 2nd quarter to China, 3rd quarter to Indonesia. Interesting they seem to take turns. 4th quarter........ we shall see.

And thanks again on the the info and analysis on Kido/Setiawan in the other thread.

Here are the Top-10 MD rankings on this coming Thursday (computed after the Macau SF),

If KKK/TBH wins the title ...

1. KKK/TBH
2. CY/FHF
3. MK/HS
4. CW/TG
5. JJS/LYD
6. CTF/LWW
7. JE/MLH
8. LJJ/HJM
9. Luluk/Alvent
10. LP/JR

If CTF/LWW wins the title, then No.5 & 6 will swap.

my analysis of KKK TBH

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Here are the Top-10 MD rankings on this coming Thursday (computed after the Macau SF),

If KKK/TBH wins the title ...

1. KKK/TBH
2. CY/FHF
3. MK/HS
4. CW/TG
5. JJS/LYD
6. CTF/LWW
7. JE/MLH
8. LJJ/HJM
9. Luluk/Alvent
10. LP/JR

If CTF/LWW wins the title, then No.5 & 6 will swap.

can u include the points of KKK/TBH and CY/FHF please ?:D

if KKK TBH loses today: 73414
if they win 74464

CY FHF: 72763
MK HS: 71747

if KKK TBH loses today: 73414
if they win 74464

CY FHF: 72763
MK HS: 71747


That will hold for two weeks, till Denmark Open SS. Whoever among the 3 pairs wins Denmark will be no 1 then. Do, Re, Me, they take turns, after you is me - FU/Cai, then Kido/Setiawan, now KKK/TBH for 1st time as no 1.

Talking about World Champs losing some momentum immediately afterwards, last year Cai/Fu were without a title for 8 months, if I am not mistaken. They broke the duck only in S'pore SS, and that too after almost losing the match.

Fortunately this didn't happen to Kido/Setiawan. They did manage to win the Chinese Taipei title against reasonably strong opposition. Still, I am disappointed that they couldn't provide a better challenge against Koo/Tan, though understandably, maintaining your form is not easy in back to back competitions.

But even against top opposition, Lin Dan has been holding World No 1 status for more than a year now. So it makes strong argument for one of the top pairs to maintain a No 1 spot and not make it look like "musical chairs".

I wish the matches between KKK/TBH & MK/HS will not be a dull affair...
If MAS pair win & beat the possible opponents which is Feng Yun in the final tomorrow, only they can prove to the world that they are back to theri best..
QF : Beat JJS/LYD
SF : Beat MK/HS
Final : Win over Fu/Chai

Deserverd to be ... right ? :)
Similary, if Kido/Hendra were to become champion:
SF: Beat KKK/TBH
Final: Beat Fu/Cai

-- this will be the best tourney for them....eclipsing the World Championships 2006 and China Open 2006 (beat Fu/Cai comprehensively in front of their home crowd).
..neither KKK & TBH nor MK & HS will be the "deserved" #1 MD pair, since they will not meet CY & FHF in the Finals??..:confused::rolleyes::p;)

..neither KKK & TBH nor MK & HS will be the "deserved" #1 MD pair, since they will not meet CY & FHF in the Finals??..:confused::rolleyes::p;)
CY/FHF is no longer a threat in MD based on their performance since WC.:p

CY/FHF is no longer a threat in MD based on their performance since WC.:p

They are getting routinely beaten by Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah, and for the second consecutive times since the WC 2007:cool: I think out of all the MD pairs in the world, only MAS pairs have good records against Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (with Choong/Lee on a 6-3 or 7-3 head-to-head after yesterday's win) and Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong on 3-3 if I am not wrong). Even Tan Bin Shen/Ong Soon Hock and Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari/Lin Woon Fui can beat the Chinese :cool:

Finally KKK/TBH hit the target for reaching the World No.1 position before the end of the year. Congratulation to them for winning Macau Open and being World No.1 next week. :D:D:D

They are getting routinely beaten by Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah, and for the second consecutive times since the WC 2007:cool: I think out of all the MD pairs in the world, only MAS pairs have good records against Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun (with Choong/Lee on a 6-3 or 7-3 head-to-head after yesterday's win) and Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong on 3-3 if I am not wrong). Even Tan Bin Shen/Ong Soon Hock and Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari/Lin Woon Fui can beat the Chinese :cool:
KKK/TBH vs Fu/Cai: 3-2 not 3-3

Finally KKK/TBH hit the target for reaching the World No.1 position before the end of the year. Congratulation to them for winning Macau Open and being World No.1 next week. :D:D:D
Right at the beginning of the 4th quarter.:)

Finally World #1. Within 1 year they become #1. I hope that they can sustain. Erase the #1 in their head and fight and play with the mentality of #50 aiming to #1.

KKK/TBH basically sucked in the past 5 months, now they just did one good tournament and viola! They are No. 1! Mission fulfilled!

Hope they will not lose momentum again.

Right at the beginning of the 4th quarter.:)

KKK/TBH basically sucked in the past 5 months, now they just did one good tournament and viola! They are No. 1! Mission fulfilled!

Hope they will not lose momentum again.

To be fair to KKK/TBH, their last title was Philippines Open in July so we are talking about 3 months, not 5. Their biggest fumble was World Championships in August. The same thing can be said about Fu/Cai, they have yet to win any major title since ...? Even before Kido/Setiawan won the WC, I don't even remember what title did they win prior ?
The #1 title changes hand so frequently as no one pair is dominating in MD department unlike the MS where Lin Dan still win 50% of the time.

What's the main advantage of being No1 ranking? Think about it.... Yes, they will avoid the top 8 pairs till the QF, but that's it. They still hv to beat the top 8 pairs constantly in order to win OG08. How long can they hold the world No1 spot? I think it will rotate among the top 4 pairs and I dont see whats the hoohaa for the ranking. As long as they hold the top 8 spot, I'll be glad to see them marching into QF and take a game at a time.

Look at Federer and Woods. They hold the No1 spot more than 2yrs and that's what I called "world No1". In badminton, LD is the only person who has done it and he is well deserved to be crowned WORLD NO1.

What's the main advantage of being No1 ranking? Think about it.... Yes, they will avoid the top 8 pairs till the QF, but that's it. They still hv to beat the top 8 pairs constantly in order to win OG08. How long can they hold the world No1 spot? I think it will rotate among the top 4 pairs and I dont see whats the hoohaa for the ranking. As long as they hold the top 8 spot, I'll be glad to see them marching into QF and take a game at a time.

Look at Federer and Woods. They hold the No1 spot more than 2yrs and that's what I called "world No1". In badminton, LD is the only person who has done it and he is well deserved to be crowned WORLD NO1.

agreed, which is why i believe Fu/Cai will bounce back from this set back, they'll train even harder and be back on top by the end of the second Chinese Open in my home town ;) XD...

Look at Federer and Woods. They hold the No1 spot more than 2yrs and that's what I called "world No1". In badminton, LD is the only person who has done it and he is well deserved to be crowned WORLD NO1.

not only lindan...gade used to be holding No.1 ranking for quite sometime and hariyanto arbi too if im not wrong

I guess Rexy's tactic worked for MAS MD...hehe now they have won titles...been told that Rexy is so happy...I made a joke to Mas Coach...is that time that Rexy gets another raise???hehe..he laughed so hard.....

Judging from the final yesterday, KKK/TBH are mentally tougher than their seniors. Being world number 1 is just the beginning of the journey to achieve further heights in their career. Hopefully, they can sustain and play even better in the future. All the best.

Judging from the final yesterday, KKK/TBH are mentally tougher than their seniors. Being world number 1 is just the beginning of the journey to achieve further heights in their career. Hopefully, they can sustain and play even better in the future. All the best.

not yet.. bro ..... they need to prove it again in next ss tourneys..

remember in PO 2007.. they're superior.. but in two big tourneys they failed, they lost to Japan pairs in 'early' round in wc 2007, and lost to alvent/luluk in QF in JO 2007

as matter of fact.. kido/setiawan is still better than TBHand KKK in comparasion of the last 3 tournaments.. kido/setiawan always lost in semifinals :D...

hey i don't mean to low TBH/KKK.. they deserve #1 Wr next week.. congratulation !!! :D

To be fair to KKK/TBH, their last title was Philippines Open in July so we are talking about 3 months, not 5. Their biggest fumble was World Championships in August. The same thing can be said about Fu/Cai, they have yet to win any major title since ...? Even before Kido/Setiawan won the WC, I don't even remember what title did they win prior ?
The #1 title changes hand so frequently as no one pair is dominating in MD department unlike the MS where Lin Dan still win 50% of the time.



1) KKK/TBH if counting Philipines Open is 3 months drought. If not counting Philipines (cos the top pairs werent there) is 7 months - Mar 07 to Oct 07

2) Kido/Setiawan was 10 months, Oct 2006 they won CHina Open. WC was Aug 07.

3) Fu/Cai was 8 months without title from WC 2006 in Sept 2006 to May 07(Singapore Open). They were Runner-up 2X in that period, lost to Kido/Setiawan in 2006 and KKK/TBH in All-England 07

Let me look thru the history to see how long Fu/Cai held the No 1 position

not only lindan...gade used to be holding No.1 ranking for quite sometime and hariyanto arbi too if im not wrong

Cant recall if PG or Hariyanto had held World No1 spot for more than 2yrs. Anyway, talking about Hariyanto, his smashes were the most lethal I've ever seen. I cant imagine how did he sustain throughout the match (in old 15 points system) coz his smashes were more frequent and powerful than Taufik. Anyway, both are great players.... never doubt....

Oppss... a bit off topic here... maaf ya :p

Fu/Cai held the No 1 position from Sept 7 2006 to Sept 20 2007, one full year.

Hey... let's see the subject of this thread:
"MD WR#1 will be decided by Macao Open",
started on Sept 29th, and it is proven.

Before MO the MD's rankings are (if I am not mistaken):
1) MK/HS
2) Fu/Cai
3) KKK/TBH

After MO:
1) KKK/TBH
2) Fu/Cai
3) MK/HS

And I think XXF will replace Zhang Ning for WS #1 in this coming new rankings.

Wow, despite it is "only" GP, MO can change World #1 in 2 categories (MD & WS) !!!

The highest point u climb in the hill, the stronger winds will blows u down.

The highest point u climb in the hill, the stronger winds will blows u down.
Samuel, why u always so negative?:cool::confused: Anything bad happened during your childhood?:D:p

Samuel, why u always so negative?:cool::confused: Anything bad happened during your childhood?:D:p

Just a reminder.. I am of course not as negative minded as the famous baiter of KKK/TBH here in BC ;)

(Quote from Arsene Wenger : "Maybe a year ago Ronaldinho was the best player in the world. Is he today ? No. It is as simple as that. You can be the number one in tennis in march and number 10 in November. All players are the same") :cool:

What's the main advantage of being No1 ranking? Think about it.... Yes, they will avoid the top 8 pairs till the QF, but that's it. They still hv to beat the top 8 pairs constantly in order to win OG08. How long can they hold the world No1 spot? I think it will rotate among the top 4 pairs and I dont see whats the hoohaa for the ranking. As long as they hold the top 8 spot, I'll be glad to see them marching into QF and take a game at a time.

Look at Federer and Woods. They hold the No1 spot more than 2yrs and that's what I called "world No1". In badminton, LD is the only person who has done it and he is well deserved to be crowned WORLD NO1.

Being World#1, you get salary raised for certain percentage.
That's the incentive program :p

Judging from the final yesterday, KKK/TBH are mentally tougher than their seniors. Being world number 1 is just the beginning of the journey to achieve further heights in their career. Hopefully, they can sustain and play even better in the future. All the best.
I don't think it's about mental toughness or that the youngsters are tougher than the veterans. It's about getting the tactics right. KKK/TBH knew that they had to risk high by killing the serve right away because their chance of losing in a rally is higher.It's about risking to win or not risking to lose.The choice is obvious.(WCH made the wrong decision ,that's why he lost to CJ.)

I don't think it's about mental toughness or that the youngsters are tougher than the veterans. It's about getting the tactics right. KKK/TBH knew that they had to risk high by killing the serve right away because their chance of losing in a rally is higher.It's about risking to win or not risking to lose.The choice is obvious.(WCH made the wrong decision ,that's why he lost to CJ.)
Getting the tactics right showed mental toughness. Saving 4 match points shows mental toughness.

Don't ever challenge the status of MCO MD .. For me, it is almost the same class with JO men singles field.. With all the top players around..
I used to be a ex state players in Basketball. The introduction of MBL (MAS Basketball League) certainly bring the games into highest level possible for a country. How I wish i could participate it, even the total number of teams compete in is far less than the national championship which consists of all the 13 states plus arm forces / polices..
If i would choose between winning the World Champs/Olympics Title by between all the tiny opponents all the way.. Or Any Little tournaments by beating all the top players in their peak. Of course i would have choose the later..
No doubt WC & OG meant alots to a country, but for personal glory is beat the best to become the best !

Getting the tactics right showed mental toughness. Saving 4 match points shows mental toughness.
That's decision making, not a mental toughness scale. Gan/Lim saved 5 match points in a row.They're mentally tougher? LCW saved 8 consecutive match points against LD.Does that make LCW the mentally toughest of them all?

Being World#1, you get salary raised for certain percentage.
That's the incentive program :p

Really??? where does the %salary/incentive come from?
BWF? or you meant from their own countries?

Really??? where does the %salary/incentive come from?
BWF? or you meant from their own countries?

i'm guessing that it's because the superseries winners' awards are based on a percentage, having 1 round bye is a certain percentage over people who have to win to get that...i saw this somewhere, but winners of MS is 8%, WS 6.55%..etc...

Being World#1, you get salary raised for certain percentage.
That's the incentive program :p

i'm guessing that it's because the superseries winners' awards are based on a percentage, having 1 round bye is a certain percentage over people who have to win to get that...i saw this somewhere, but winners of MS is 8%, WS 6.55%..etc...

Thanks for your explanation, Romeo.
But what I want to know is... is it true for being World #1 one will get any %salary/bonus/incentive from BWF or what (as BooYa mentioned above)? Is it?

Thanks for your explanation, Romeo.
But what I want to know is... is it true for being World #1 one will get any %salary/bonus/incentive from BWF or what (as BooYa mentioned above)? Is it?
From their respective country association , yes...
NSC (National Sports Council) did give away some monthly incentive for any athletes who manage to be ranked number 1 in the world.. Until they drop their ranking...

From their respective country association , yes...
NSC (National Sports Council) did give away some monthly incentive for any athletes who manage to be ranked number 1 in the world.. Until they drop their ranking...

Oh, I see.

So the NSC (China) do give away some monthly incentive for any athleles who in ranked #1 in the world... What about other countries' NSC (MAS, INA, KOR, DEN, JPN, etc)? Do they give the same thing for any of their players who manage to be ranked #1 int the world as well?
If they do, like the CHN's NSC, that would be good for the player's motivation... to be NUMBER ONE in the world (cos they will get extra money beside the tourney's prize money) !!!