Macau Open 2007- final-07 October 2007

[vching]

Wow...you are really sucha loser!!!!
Pls do not make BC look bad because of you.

Majority of us do not belong to your joke as well..

I did not say that Chn cheat at all....pls read my post!!!
CJ tampering shuttles was reported and discussed by other coaches...I just reported.....ARE U BLIND ENOUGH?

BC does not belong to you at all....

Well...at least I got to know a few players and coaches...you???what contribution you have to make BC look good? how dare you for you to say that I make BC look bad....what you do is crying and attacking people...

I never suggest VCHING to write this investigation to BWF...he has a right to do that....WHY BLAME ME???

BWF is organization that everyone can write or call to talk to them....you have no right to ban us if we want to write or complain.....

You are really such a loser...13 K post is really BS....you are reala hipocrite....

You do make BC look bad...

agreed. I have decided not to respond to cooler because he is just being silly.

I am not accusing China of cheating, I am saying their actions are suspicious. No one is accusing China of cheating.

I also agree that BWF, as the governing body, will listen to badminton supporters. As the governing body, it is their right to do so.

and don't worry, most BC-ers recognise your contribution to BC over the illogical ramblings of cooler.

[alfa-2]

as usual..Cooler accused me again...backtrack, etc....everybody knows that I did not make the report...I have witness, Fastdrop with me....

hauge, u always have the reputation of being a nice, kind BCer, dont lose that cool of yours..........:p:p:p

[Oldhand]

Pulling someone's leg is fine. :p
But getting at each other's throat isn't. :mad:

Come on guys... we're all pals here. :)

[huangkwokhau]

take macau MS final, the umpire was from Singapore and refused TH's request for shuttle change and floor mop. Why dont you also see that the umpire maybe suspecting TH was wasting time to cheat and sneak in a mini rest. TH fans suspects chen jin cheating while the umpire suspects taufik cheating habit. I rather trust the umpire trustment as he has way more experience than most fans plus he is closest to the court. The umpire declined taufik request for a reason.
It was first point!! there is no need for TH to cheat...if the player feels the floor is dangerous...they ahve a right to ask....I suggest to watch the game..it was on first point...TH no need to take a rest...

[vching]

take macau MS final, the umpire was from Singapore and refused TH's request for shuttle change and floor mop. Why dont you also see that the umpire maybe suspecting TH was wasting time to cheat and sneak in a mini rest. TH fans suspects chen jin cheating while the umpire suspects taufik cheating habit. I rather trust the umpire trustment as he has way more experience than most fans plus he is closest to the court. The umpire declined taufik request for a reason.

I didn't watch the game, but if Taufik wanted to change the shuttle because he suspect Chen Jin has tampered with it, he should be allowed to.

[alfa-2]

Er, this question packs as much logic as...
... why doesn't the hunchbacked orangutan use a calcified oxymoron to replenish Ukraine's stocks of ammonium salicylicate? :D
hahahahahahah, u r damn hillarious.:D:D:D:D:D:D

[huangkwokhau]

hauge, u always have the reputation of being a nice, kind BCer, dont lose that cool of yours..........:p:p:p
Thanks..I do not like being accused of being making the report....I have said that many times...it was from INA camps and I just reported what has happened??? what he blamed me? I was there and he was not...

I am always nice but this is not first time that he did that...last time wa about Tony Gunawan which i did not do anything to him at all....thats sad!!

Thanks a lot ALFA!!;)

[vching]

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/showthread.php?p=684137#post684137) Er, this question packs as much logic as...
... why doesn't the hunchbacked orangutan use a calcified oxymoron to replenish Ukraine's stocks of ammonium salicylicate? :D


please stop spamming..... -_-''

you said CHina should have more tournaments because of their geographical and population. So I am saying that is not the case. If China should get more tournamnets because of their geographical and population, then Africa and Americas should have tournaments like that too.

[Oldhand]

please stop spamming..... -_-''

Ah, someone seems to be losing the argument. :rolleyes:

[Oldhand]

hahahahahahah, u r damn hillarious.:D:D:D:D:D:D

it's not me that's hilarious... :p
it's his logic :D :D

[cooler]

I admit I have been a bit inflammatory in accusing China of cheating, although I didn't actually say that...



but then china will be regarded as the cheaters that won.

another hypocrite.

[alfa-2]

I didn't watch the game, but if Taufik wanted to change the shuttle because he suspect Chen Jin has tampered with it, he should be allowed to.

On the other hand, if the umpire suspect TH was trying to take a rest by that request, he should be allowed to deny TH's request too, am i right?

can we all stop this.......CJ won, ok? TH will take revenge soon. We should go on to the next tourney as one big happy family.........;) right, hauge?

[Oldhand]

another hypocrite.

looks like the 'closing arguments' in a trial :D:D:D

[huangkwokhau]

13K post...thats all about..hipocrite...

[vching]

another hypocrite.

what hippocrite? I first said that I was wrong in inflaming BC-ers. Then i said that CHina will be regarded as the cheaters than won in the mid 2000s. Not by me. I am not ACCUSING china of cheating, I am saying that china's legacy will forever be tainted.

[vching]

Ah, someone seems to be losing the argument. :rolleyes:

hmm? whos the immatured one?

[alfa-2]

looks like the 'closing arguments' in a trial :D:D:D

and you're the one who is having all the fun, right??? :D:D:D:D

[gundala]

Wow...you are really sucha loser!!!!
Pls do not make BC look bad because of you.

Majority of us do not belong to your joke as well..

I did not say that Chn cheat at all....pls read my post!!!
CJ tampering shuttles was reported and discussed by other coaches...I just reported.....ARE U BLIND ENOUGH?

As always...you are so weak and claiming that I backtrack etc.....LOL...you are known to accuse anybody..nothing is new here bout you...face it!!!

BC does not belong to you at all....

Well...at least I got to know a few players and coaches...you???what contribution you have to make BC look good? how dare you for you to say that I make BC look bad....what you do is crying and attacking people...

I never suggest VCHING to write this investigation to BWF...he has a right to do that....WHY BLAME ME???

BWF is organization that everyone can write or call to talk to them....you have no right to ban us if we want to write or complain.....

You are really such a loser...13 K post is really BS....you are real a hipocrite....

You do make BC look bad...

bro huangkwokhau.
i'm with you... i just can't still believe after my investigation by taking some samples of 13 K cooler's posts.. almost 75% of his is just talking about nonsense,'attacking' ppl,making fun of others and that's why his karma level is unknown quantity.. almost gets red (being unwanted).. what ajoke... 13K post but he only get "unknown quantity' .... what have you posted to BC so far ?... rubish.rubish. rubish.. you must unload them.. they stinks us you know

[vching]

bro huangkwokhau.
i'm with you... i just can't still believe after my investigation by taking some samples of 13 K cooler's posts.. almost 75% of his is just talking about nonsense,'attacking' ppl,making fun of others and that's why his karma level is unknown quantity.. almost gets red (being unwanted).. what ajoke... 13K post but he only get "unknown quantity' .... what have you posted them lately... rubish.rubish. rubish.. you must unload them.. they stinks us you know

i second that!!!!!!........

[vching]

looks like the 'closing arguments' in a trial :D:D:D
and you're the one who is having all the fun, right??? :D:D:D:D

oh this is far from over :D :D :D

[cooler]

13K post...thats all about..hipocrite...

However, it took u only 4826 posts to achieve what i have achieve.
Congrats... ROFL

[vching]

However, it took u only 4826 posts to achieve what i have achieve.
Congrats... ROFL
please stop spamming if you have nothing better to say!

[cooler]

please stop spamming if you have nothing better to say!
hahaha, look who's talking in this thread

[gundala]

hahaha, look who's talking in this thread

cooler... forgive me to ask you... who are you anyway? a fugitive from hell

[Oldhand]

There was a member named vching
who, quite clearly, was itching
to call China a cheat
and then beat a retreat.
Ah, what else is this but bitching? :p

[alfa-2]

There was a member named vching
who, quite clearly, was itching
to call China a cheat
and then beat a retreat.
Ah, what else is this but bitching? :p

woh woh woh.......i guess this is the last time i'll see you here eh?.......:D:D:D you take care alright?

[Oldhand]

woh woh woh.......i guess this is the last time i'll see you here eh?.......:D:D:D you take care alright?

LMAO... :D
Sure... I'll keep my eyes wide open :rolleyes:

[vching]

There was a member named vching
who, quite clearly, was itching
to call China a cheat
and then beat a retreat.
Ah, what else is this but bitching? :p


eh.... quite catchy :D :D :D

[huangkwokhau]

However, it took u only 4826 posts to achieve what i have achieve.
Congrats... ROFL
but mine is more valuable than yours.....more contribution.....:cool::cool: ROFL....

[Oldhand]

eh.... quite catchy :D :D :D
[/B]

No offence meant, pal :p
Just having fun, OK? :)

[vching]

No offence meant, pal :p
Just having fun, OK? :)

aren't we all trying to have fun :D :D :D ?

[alfa-2]

No offence meant, pal :p
Just having fun, OK? :)

see? you're having quite some fun here........:D:D:D:D:D

[huangkwokhau]

we actually have fun here until someone ruin us....hehe

[chris-ccc]

I admit I have been a bit inflammatory in accusing China of cheating, although I didn't actually say that...

I just want to say this:
walkovers: sure, China is allowed to give walkovers. But is this really within the spirit of badminton? Is this best for the development of badminton

officials from same country: I still think this should be changed. Officials from same country should not be officials in which participants are from their country




Greetings,

Hehehe... I am not trying ruin our fun here.

I posted this in another thread...

====== ====== start post ====== ======

Sometimes we forget to choose/use our words carefully, when we apply our "Freedom of Speech".

When China did not care about putting umpires and judges from different nationalities... we should not have yelled "Cheat", but we should have suggested to China that their selection of umpires and judges could be seen as "Unfair".

The connotation of a player/nation for "Cheating" must be used with great care. This is because it can really generate an injurious effect to the player/nation concerned.

====== ====== end post ====== ======

Similarly, it applies to TH... when TH requested the floor to be mopped, how could we yell "Cheating" ???

Our reasoning power seems to fail us all. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc

[gundala]

However, it took u only 4826 posts to achieve what i have achieve.
Congrats... ROFL

mr huang has been contributing alot to bc
he has posted high quality posts.. he flew from usa to macau becos he wanted to gave us live scores and reports where there's no any un/official website gave it.. he gives us high quality reports about news of tournaments or players...

how about you... ?... hmmm i bet your contribution to bc is none,zero,kosong

i have a proverb.. it suits for you : "TONG KOSONG BERBUNYI NYARING"

[Oldhand]

"TONG KOSONG BERBUNYI NYARING"

I believe this is Indonesian for 'Big Noise, Little Substance'

Er, who is this about?
Since this comes just after the Japan Open, Macau Open and Taipei Open, is this about Taufik? :p

[huangkwokhau]

I believe this is Indonesian for 'Big Noise, Little Substance'

Er, who is this about?
Since this comes just after the Japan Open, Macau Open and Taipei Open, is this about Taufik? :p
Being RU is not big noise, little substance...

[Oldhand]

I believe this is Indonesian for 'Big Noise, Little Substance'

Er, who is this about?
Since this comes just after the Japan Open, Macau Open and Taipei Open, is this about Taufik? :p


Being RU is not big noise, little substance...

Ah, it must be about Lin Dan then :p

[huangkwokhau]

Ah, it must be about Lin Dan then :p
He refered to BC member, not players...haiya!! dont tease lah....:D:D

[Oldhand]

He refered to BC member, not players...haiya!! dont tease lah....:D:D

cooler, you there? :D

[z3048018]

.... I think its against the spirit of the game...

so is sledging by the aussies

[z3048018]

but then china will be regarded as the cheaters that won.

is michael schumacher a cheat because of team orders?

[Krisna]

mr huang has been contributing alot to bc
he has posted high quality posts.. he flew from usa to macau becos he wanted to gave us live scores and reports where there's no any un/official website gave it.. he gives us high quality reports about news of tournaments or players...

how about you... ?... hmmm i bet your contribution to bc is none,zero,kosong

i have a proverb.. it suits for you : "TONG KOSONG BERBUNYI NYARING"

Literally means: an empty drum produces a loud noise...:D Yep, I agree with Gundala... But I suggest we just ignore that annoying person who writes mostly nonsense and fiction. Let's just continue to have fun with badminton shall we... Otherwise we will all get banned from BC because of that guy... Not worth it... ;)


I believe this is Indonesian for 'Big Noise, Little Substance'


You got that right... ;) You're a smart guy...

[Loh]

This is an English proverb. ;)

[Tommy Susanto]

This is an English proverb. ;)

You mean like some not so hot players making a lot of noises:DWell, the media is also the culprit:pSorry that you are still in the second division sudirman cup:crying::crying::crying:

[pjswift]

There was a member named vching
who, quite clearly, was itching
to call China a cheat
and then beat a retreat.
Ah, what else is this but bitching? :p
There is a member called vching
who, quite smartly,has been thinking
of how to get China to come clean
but some BC members got mean
because they are not up to his clear reasoning

[sjoe]

There he goes again... :eek:
Since vching is repeating himself, I'm gonna repeat some myself:
What exactly is this 'suspicious Chinese behaviour'?

Do you mean 'winning' is 'suspicious behaviour'?
Do you mean a 'tactical approach' is 'suspicious behaviour'?
Do you mean 'psychological strategy' is 'suspicious behaviour'?

Mate, I'd hate for you to be a football or cricket fan.
If you were, then every team would be on your 'extreme suspicion' list.
Competition is not just about skills and fitness...
...it's also about strategy and tactics, including the psychological variety.

If I were Lin Dan playing Taufik... and if I knew that staring at Taufik makes him angry, I'd do it often enough to make him lose his cool (and thereby make errors).

In cricket and rugby, the Australians are well-known (notorious, in fact) for their sledging tactics on the field.
Almost every baseball catcher and cricket wicketkeeper resorts to taunting the opponent.
John McEnroe's tantrums were designed more to upset his opponent's rhythm rather than earn some ruling in his favour.
There was an incident (in the 1980s) when chess champion Anatoly Karpov had his personal pyschologist sit behind him and stare unblinkingly at the Russian defector Viktor Korchnoi.

If the China team boss thinks his country would earn an advantage if one of his players were to lose to another, then that's his call. That shouldn't arouse suspicion... it should be reason for admiration. (I remember seeing Rubens Barrichello giving way to Ferrari team-mate Michael Schumacher very near the finish-line at the 2002 Austrian Grand Prix ... this resulted from a 'team order'.)

If Chen Jin wipes his sweat on the shuttlecock, there are umpteen things his opponent can do. Whining (later) is not the best reply.

It'd be useful and laudable to stop whining whenever China wins.
The losers could do better by planning how to pay back in the same coin.

Well I listen all the arguments from both side so far. I have my own opinion.
But all you listed above are not in my standard of sportsmanship, I don't care if it was done by who and who. I believe that you would agree in bottom of your heart that you don't mean to condone that unnecessary behavior if you can win without, do you ?
We have to remember this just games which means at the end is all about entertainment. But you guys include all the associations that your support either China, Indonesia or Malaysia has lost the spirit of the sports "it is just entertainment".

[gundala]

restricting the number of players representing the same country is unfair to CHINA at the first place.

indonesian players also cheat on serve. I think IBF should investigate this too.

can you give us one prove :rolleyes:

[sjoe]

is michael schumacher a cheat because of team orders?

They are talking about individual event not team event. If you put it as no different, then is not worth watching for any finals where players come from the same country. The country with the same players in final has achieved his objective, WINNING ! is WINNING means everything ? may be to some but I am very disappointed if it so.
No wonder so many athletes willing to take the risk to win or be shamed. Too many bad example like Marion Jones.

[vching]

There was a member named vching
who, quite clearly, was itching
to call China a cheat
and then beat a retreat.
Ah, what else is this but bitching? :p
There is a member called vching
who, quite smartly,has been thinking
of how to get China to come clean
but some BC members got mean
because they are not up to his clear reasoning

eh... everyone making fun of me? :D :D :D


Well I listen all the arguments from both side so far. I have my own opinion.
But all you listed above are not in my standard of sportsmanship, I don't care if it was done by who and who. I believe that you would agree in bottom of your heart that you don't mean to condone that unnecessary behavior if you can win without, do you ?
We have to remember this just games which means at the end is all about entertainment. But you guys include all the associations that your support either China, Indonesia or Malaysia has lost the spirit of the sports "it is just entertainment".

completely agree, while it is not against the rules, it is against the spirit of the sport and notions of sportsmanship.


can you give us one prove :rolleyes:

they can't....they are just trying to scapegoat indonesia...


They are talking about individual event not team event. If you put it as no different, then is not worth watching for any finals where players come from the same country. The country with the same players in final has achieved his objective, WINNING ! is WINNING means everything ? may be to some but I am very disappointed if it so.
No wonder so many athletes willing to take the risk to win or be shamed. Too many bad example like Marion Jones.
i'm liking you!


so is sledging by the aussies

then it is against the spirit of the sport. Just because aussies sledge, it dosent mean that it makes the actions by China any more acceptable.

[z3048018]

though i agree with you regarding Gilchrist - the most gentleman of all australians

[ye333]

I think the difference here is, other countries do suspicious walkovers when it will make big differences, but LYB wants to manipulate every single ranking point whenever possible.

Those ppl who like such "team strategies" are fanatic fans. For example, LD - XXZ in 03 WC was determined by the first game (rumor has it that LD was really unhappy about that), and BCL - XXZ was totally fixed. I can't imagine a real badminton lover can still be happy watching these two videos after knowing the above. Besides it's really unfair to WCH stamina-wise.


MS MO SEMI FINALS 2007 Kenneth lost to Gade...
thats semis...

in the 1990s when Indo dominated badminton, they didn't have walkovers... they won it on equal grounds with other opponents...

[ye333]

I guess he/she meant doing illegal services. LOL. Dannyang should watch hundreds of videos, watch every serve, obtain the ratio of legel-illegal services, and then come here and claim who is the worst "serve cheater" in badminton... :D

Restricting #s of players is indeed not a fair practice. However, this is the best BWF can do. Does FIFA choose 32 "best" teams for World Cup? No! The teams in European Championships, are they all better than those not in it? Obviously no!


i cannot rebut or verify your claims that Indo players cheat because i have never heard of such allegations... but from what i see, they serve properly.

restricting the number of players from a country is not cheating. Its to promote the sport. If China has 13/16 of the playeers in the Olympics, other countries would start to lose interest.

[ye333]

You never read what LYB said each time after Chn players lost? Bad wind, bad stadium, bad umpire, noisy spectators, we lost because we dont care the result, blahblah.

The players do not say much because LYB does all the talking.


that's the difference between chinese players and other players. after chinese players lose, they go back and train harder instead of complaining,however, other players find a large amount of excuses for their losses.

[vching]

You never read what LYB said each time after Chn players lost? Bad wind, bad stadium, bad umpire, noisy spectators, we lost because we dont care the result, blahblah.

The players do not say much because LYB does all the talking.

Good point! I almost forgot about LYB's rants.

World Championships - XXF lost because bad wind in the court said LYB, Sudirman Cup - LD lost because he didn't care about the match already..

Mr. Dannyang, how can you say Chinese players don't complain!

[leonardklh]

koo kien keat and tan boon heong won!! finally back in form

[Cheung]

Thread closed - everybody needs to take some breathing space;).