KKK-TBH 6th title of the year, congratulations!

[little_bird]

http://www.skthew.com/2007/10/28/badminton-kkk-tbh-6th-titles-of-the-year/

Malaysian doubles’ and world number one Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong made a remarkable comeback to win the Denmark Super Series 2007 (http://www.badminton.dk/Events/Denmark%20Open.aspx), beating Danish veterans Jens Eriksen-Martin Lundgaard Hansen with a sensational 14-21, 21-14, 21-12 (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=17353&y=2007&m=10&d=28) in 48 minutes, further reaffirm their world number one status with style.

[jug8man]

Congrats to KKK & TBH!

You guys really kept us on the edge of our seats.


& to Yojimbo and th rest of you guys... Thanx for making the important phone calls to astro to allow us to enjoy the spendid matches LIVE!

Yahoo

[little_bird]

Phone calls to Astro? Who's that? The LIVE show is because of those phone calls made?

[Lingguat]

Malaysia Boleh

Congratulations to them. If they could continue playing like that they will bring back Gold from beijing.

[extremenanopowe]

Rexy mainaky for president...!!!:D:D

[Lingguat]

:DI made the call

[zqloy]

:DI made the call

Did u scolded them? :D

[donchang]

Hope that they can maintain the form and make us malaysian to be proud always.. Congratulation to them and also need to thanks rexy very much for grooming such double team in a short time.. Hope that rexy can bring out more good pair in the malaysia squad.... : ) ........

[little_bird]

:DI made the call

What did you say? Was that your phone call that make them air the show live?

[Blurry D]

yea rexy will be like christina hidanata or better who produce people like TG, CW, HHH and SB..

[Han]

Rexy mainaky for president...!!!:D:D

I thought he already the president after All England :D:D:D
As much as I love Rexy, I think he needs to improve his management skill. No reason to criticize players in public after each lost, do it in the close door and enforce with action in private. Keep emotion and stress level in check so he can last until Olympic :D I don't want to see Rexy collapse again in training hall.

[Han]

yea rexy will be like christina hidanata or better who produce people like TG, CW, HHH and SB..

If Rexy gets more power, don't be surprise he becomes the Li Yongbo of Malaysia :D

[ants]

Did they show on astro today? Btw its great to know that both of them won. It was hillarious when they were introduced as Markis Kido and Hendra from IndoNesia! Its a shame that the trophy is a small cup. both KKK and TBH were laughing about it.. not forgeting the old lady with a hunchback at the podium area...

[Han]

Did they show on astro today? Btw its great to know that both of them won. It was hillarious when they were introduced as Markis Kido and Hendra from IndoNesia! Its a shame that the trophy is a small cup. both KKK and TBH were laughing about it.. not forgeting the old lady with a hunchback at the podium area...

It's OK as long as the check is big and the record is straight! Yes, the MD was live but you can always catch with the delay version at 3:30pm Monday Malaysian time. Mistaken Markis/Hendra to Kien Kiat/Boon Heong is unforgiven, we will retaliate in the next Malaysia Open, "Court 1, Gao Ling/Huang Sui(actual, Paaske/Rasmussen) vs Zhou Ting-Ting/Wei Yili(actual, Lungaard/Eriksen):D:D:D
Have a safe trip home, fellow Malaysian.

[weeyet]

I thought he already the president after All England :D:D:D
As much as I love Rexy, I think he needs to improve his management skill. No reason to criticize players in public after each lost, do it in the close door and enforce with action in private. Keep emotion and stress level in check so he can last until Olympic :D I don't want to see Rexy collapse again in training hall.

but as far as i remember, koo/tan deliver everytime when rexy does this.

first time, asian game
second time, recently

[Han]

but as far as i remember, koo/tan deliver everytime when rexy does this.

first time, asian game
second time, recently

How about other pairs besides KKK/TBH? Doesn't Rexy punishing technique work? Coaches can push the players as far as they want but there's always a breaking point on each player. If it work then continue else find other ways. What I am saying is Rexy doesn't need to create such drama to get players attention, a close door talk and private action taken should result a similar thing. I guess every coach has their own way of handling situation, I just don't want to see Rexy over-stress and bad thing happen. Overall, Rexy is the one who make our MD proud, no doubt about that.

[robin7]

Game 1: The MAS pair were ahead at 11-8 at the interval and were leading at 13-10 before the DEN grabbed 6 pts in a row to regain the lead at 16-13. The MAS managed to steal a pt before the DEN took 5 pts in a row to secure the 1st game at 21-14.
In the 1st game, the DEN pair played more aggressively, served low and returned well. The MAS duo, on the other hand, especially Koo, made too many unforced errors.

Game 2: The 2nd game was tight as they were tied at 9-all before the MAS pair took the lead at 11-9 in the interval. Since then, the MAS duo never looked back by taking the game at 21-14 and forced the match into a rubber game.
In the 2nd game, the MAS pair were more aggressive whereas the DEN looked tired and made too many unforced errors.

Game 3: The rubber game was one-sided as the exhausted DEN couldn't cop up with the pace and easily surrenderred the game.

The MAS duo won the match at 14-21, 21-14, 21-12 in 48 minutes.

[well-son]

Congratulations to KKK/TBH for winning the Denmark Open SS!

If they can maintain their permormance like what they have done recently, they surely will be a legend in the future.

Will they be MAS Park Joo Bong/Kim moon Soo???

[samuel882]

Congratulations to KKK/TBH for winning the Denmark Open SS!

If they can maintain their permormance like what they have done recently, they surely will be a legend in the future.

Will they be MAS Park Joo Bong/Kim moon Soo???

Everybody hopes so.. Another great legend with a left-right formidable pairing.. They are still ways to go to go on par with the mighty Koreans..
I can't hardly see many mistakes / unforced errors during the Koreans games. This is one factors they need to improve... Furthermore, sometimes i really think the KOREANs is actually played as one single unit, their understanding & communication on court is excellent... There is very uncommon in today's MD game...

[ixory]

Koo-Tan celebrate anniversary with Danish title

By RAJES PAUL
Thestar online (http://http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/10/29/sports/19309958&sec=sports)

PETALING JAYA: It was not the best of their performances but Malaysia's Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong celebrated their one-year partnership by winning the Danish Open title in Odense yesterday.
They recovered from a sluggish first game to beat the “old men of badminton” – Jens Eriksen-Martin Lundgaard Hansen of Denmark – 14-21, 21-14, 21-12 in a fast-paced 48-minute men's doubles final.
It was the Malaysians' fourth win over the Danes since they paired up a year ago.
And they are probably the first Malaysian pair to live up to their status as the world number one in a tournament.
With the win, Kien Keat-Boon Heong are now the biggest winners in the inaugural Super Series – having won a total of four titles. Their other successes were in the Malaysian Open, All-England and Swiss Open.
They now stand tall as the most successful Malaysian pair by winning a total of seven titles since they forged a partnership last October.
They were the gold medallists in the Doha Asian Games and also emerged as the champions in the Open tournaments in the Philippines and Macau.
Kien Keat, who was coming out from a bout of flu and suffering from blisters, said that they could have played better.
“I think that this was our worst performance as a pair in a final. Both of us just could not get our game going in the first game.
“But fortunately, we got it right at the end,” said Kien Keat in a telephone interview from Odense.
Kien Keat-Boon Heong led 6-2 and 11-8 in the first game. But they allowed the Danes to dictate the pace and take the first game.
The momentum changed with the score at 9-9 in the second game. The Malaysians found their rhythm and with their strong attacks and solid defence finally wore down the Danes, who ran out of steam in the decider.
Kien Keat added that he was happy that Boon Heong supported him throughout the match.
“I have not completely recovered from flu. My voice is still hoarse and there are blisters on my feet.
“Everything did not go well for me but throughout the tournament, Boon Heong gave his full support. I am happy with that,” he said. :cool:
“There was no pressure although we were the number one pair. For us, winning titles is more important. We will continue with our chase to add more titles under our belt.”
It was Kien Keat's second Danish Open title. He won it with Chan Chong Ming in 2005.
In the men's singles, Lin Dan of China underlined his status as the world's best player when he put up a solid show to beat compatriot Bao Chunlai 21-15, 21-12 in a 36-minute final.
With the win, the world champion continues to dominate in the Super Series with four titles. He was also the winner in the Korean Open, All-England and China Open.
How Koo-Tan won it
First round: Beat Hendri Kurniawan Saputra-Hendra Wijaya (Sin) 21-14, 21-15
Second round: Beat Joko Riyadi-Hendra Setiawan (Ina) 21-18, 21-18
Quarter-finals: Beat Mathias Boe-Carsten Morgensen (Den) 21-14, 21-19
Semi-finals: Beat Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan (Ina) 21-18, 21-10 Final: Beat Jens Eriksen-Martin Lundgaard Hansen (Den) 14-21, 21-14, 21-12.

[gidong]

Owh yesssss ma Hero win again .. yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[X Ball]

I watched the match. The first game was littered with errors by the Malaysian pair, more so by KKK.

However, in the 2nd and 3rd, it was very clever placings by him -- he came alive with clever serves and returns (some hard smashes too). By the 3rd game, the Danish pair were clearly struggling -- they had this forlorn look in them, a sign of resignation.

Rexy must feel that his pride is restored somewhat. I hope he continues to lead this pair to victories. LCW's loss was hard to take but KKK-TBH lessened the pain a lot. :)

[vching]

My analysis on the Malaysian campaign in Odsense

preview:


Men's Singles
Once again, this tournament reinforces the fact that Malaysia has no depth in Mens Singles. With the sole exception of Lee Chong Wei, who went unsupported into the Semifinals, and Hafiz Hashim, who made it to the second round only to lose to qualifier Joachim Persson , all other Malaysian Men's Singles players did not make it past the first round. Lee Chong Wei might be a great player, but he cannot be expected to carry the Malaysian challenge every single time. This is putting too much pressure on him, and we all know that Malaysian players usually crack under pressure. BAM should actively try to find more capable shuttlers to at least make it to the quarterfinals, and throw out the ones that exist merely to make up the numbers for the tournament and be involved in the process.




whole article:


The Badminton Blog - Analysis of Malaysian Campaign in Odsense (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/analysis-of-malaysian-campaign-in.html)

[george@chongwei]

congratulations to kkk/tbh:)

[X Ball]

My analysis on the Malaysian campaign in Odsense

preview:


Men's Singles
Once again, this tournament reinforces the fact that Malaysia has no depth in Mens Singles. With the sole exception of Lee Chong Wei, who went unsupported into the Semifinals, and Hafiz Hashim, who made it to the second round only to lose to qualifier Joachim Persson , all other Malaysian Men's Singles players did not make it past the first round. Lee Chong Wei might be a great player, but he cannot be expected to carry the Malaysian challenge every single time. This is putting too much pressure on him, and we all know that Malaysian players usually crack under pressure. BAM should actively try to find more capable shuttlers to at least make it to the quarterfinals, and throw out the ones that exist merely to make up the numbers for the tournament and be involved in the process.




whole article:


The Badminton Blog - Analysis of Malaysian Campaign in Odsense (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/analysis-of-malaysian-campaign-in.html)


Agree, but where to find 'those more capable players' that you mentioned that BAM should actively find ?

[jug8man]

Agree, but where to find 'those more capable players' that you mentioned that BAM should actively find ?

Maybe we should start taking in Indo and China free agents as well??

[danielwong]

Maybe we should start taking in Indo and China free agents as well??

they can consider to train me :D:D:D
maybe i am better than HH???

[X Ball]

they can consider to train me :D:D:D
maybe i am better than HH???


Any relationship to Wong Choon Hann ? :D

[vching]

Agree, but where to find 'those more capable players' that you mentioned that BAM should actively find ?

hmm... im not sure, but maybe making other players step up and replace the older ones? thats for BAM to find out


Maybe we should start taking in Indo and China free agents as well??

hmm, maybe... but malaysia is not at that stage yet methinks


they can consider to train me :D:D:D
maybe i am better than HH???

you sure do yoyo less than him !


Any relationship to Wong Choon Hann ? :D

all Wongs are related someone right?

[little_bird]

Why not let's talk about KKK-TBH's route in the next French Open?

I say the chances for them to become champion again is very bright and I can foresee a final between KKK-TBH against CY-FHF?

[OneToughBirdie]

[quote=vching;699409]My analysis on the Malaysian campaign in Odsense

preview:


Men's Singles
Once again, this tournament reinforces the fact that Malaysia has no depth in Mens Singles. With the sole exception of Lee Chong Wei, who went unsupported into the Semifinals, and Hafiz Hashim, who made it to the second round only to lose to qualifier Joachim Persson , all other Malaysian Men's Singles players did not make it past the first round. Lee Chong Wei might be a great player, but he cannot be expected to carry the Malaysian challenge every single time. This is putting too much pressure on him, and we all know that Malaysian players usually crack under pressure. BAM should actively try to find more capable shuttlers to at least make it to the quarterfinals, and throw out the ones that exist merely to make up the numbers for the tournament and be involved in the process.

That is what Pemuda has been consistently and persistently saying...hymm! maybe that fellow Pemuda does know something...hehehe!!!;):p

[OneToughBirdie]

Agree, but where to find 'those more capable players' that you mentioned that BAM should actively find ?
Raid CHN, cos CHN team has lots of players and only 3 or 4 can play in majors anyway and the rest are discarded...esp the WS side, take them before Krisna laid his hands on them...hehehe!!!:p:D

[OneToughBirdie]

Why not let's talk about KKK-TBH's route in the next French Open?

I say the chances for them to become champion again is very bright and I can foresee a final between KKK-TBH against CY-FHF?
That would be a dandy with tons of firepower and a game to salivate.

[USAfan]

Raid CHN, cos CHN team has lots of players and only 3 or 4 can play in majors anyway and the rest are discarded...esp the WS side, take them before Krisna laid his hands on them...hehehe!!!:p:D

Or like what Singapore is doing, importing players even at junior level .....

[USAfan]

That would be a dandy with tons of firepower and a game to salivate.

Time to develop the juniors by giving them the exposure instead of wasting the time on a few players that can't pass the 1st round. Can we look into the junior program and shake thing up, maybe we need another Rexy to spearhead that program. We got to start soon and its putting us behind.

[OneToughBirdie]

Or like what Singapore is doing, importing players even at junior level .....
Really nothing wrong, it makes the game competitive rather than see the rest of world fighting for 2nd in Uber Cup everytime...if CHN does not need them, let them play elsewhere rather than to retire them...that is RESPECT and admiration to CHN for such depth and talents compared to the rest of the world...take Cheng LI, she played once in CHN Open and nowhere to be seen, if CL goes elsewhere, she will be groomed to represent that country. JYJ, may not be around for long based on her recent play, she sure would be welcomed in Spore or MAS or anywhere and could very well be top 1-2 player too.

[USAfan]

Really nothing wrong, it makes the game competitive rather than see the rest of world fighting for 2nd in Uber Cup everytime...if CHN does not need them, let them play elsewhere rather than to retire them...that is RESPECT and admiration to CHN for such depth and talents compared to the rest of the world...take Cheng LI, she played once in CHN Open and nowhere to be seen, if CL goes elsewhere, she will be groomed to represent that country. JYJ, may not be around for long based on her recent play, she sure would be welcomed in Spore or MAS or anywhere and could very well be top 1-2 player too.

Agreed and that 's why the S,pore junior beat MAS at the Junior Championship , that's why USA is in the World Cup and that's why with foreign coaches, MAS are doing well in MD .... I still think MAS has players with caliber standard but the developments are lacking.

[OneToughBirdie]

Time to develop the juniors by giving them the exposure instead of wasting the time on a few players that can't pass the 1st round. Can we look into the junior program and shake thing up, maybe we need another Rexy to spearhead that program. We got to start soon and its putting us behind.

I give credit to Rexy for his guts to pair TBH/KKK so close to AE or AG (not sure) and they won, and Rexy is hailed a hero and datuk...if they lost, I can see the bashings of all kinds thrown at Rexy...Pemuda is right to send HH packing, except that I questioned who/how to do it in MAS...hymm!!! maybe recruit Pemuda to carry out the execution and be the fall guy if this scheme falls apart...hehehe!!!:p;)

[jasonmarc]

they can consider to train me :D:D:D
maybe i am better than HH???

Unless U know how to play Yo-Yo....and plays better than HH...;)

[koo_fan]

I give credit to Rexy for his guts to pair TBH/KKK so close to AE or AG (not sure) and they won, and Rexy is hailed a hero and datuk...if they lost, I can see the bashings of all kinds thrown at Rexy...Pemuda is right to send HH packing, except that I questioned who/how to do it in MAS...hymm!!! maybe recruit Pemuda to carry out the execution and be the fall guy if this scheme falls apart...hehehe!!!:p;)
just wonder : wheres pemuda? i think if hes here...hh must be deadly bashed by him.u can imagine it.

sending hh to balik kampung is not an option..it is a must.when hes ready to come back,only then we'll let him be a national shuttler and pay him again.
hes just wasting our money. is this too harsh?i cant stand him anymore.

[eaglehelang]

sending hh to balik kampung is not an option..it is a must.when hes ready to come back,only then we'll let him be a national shuttler and pay him again.
hes just wasting our money. is this too harsh?i cant stand him anymore.

As stated in other similar threads about Hafiz, Hafiz is with the club Nusa Mahsuri, not BAM. So, technically he's wasting the club's $$$, not taxpayers money. I agree though he's wasting other resources - Misbun's time and sweat as coach, all the sports science staff, etc.
In the same vein, many have critizied Kuan Beng Hong, for the years he's under BAM havent produced any significant results.

BAM should consider upgrading the juniors -Tan CS, Chan KB and groom them to take over from LCW.

[Lingguat]

I am absolutely agree with you eaglehelang. They should perform otherwise hantar balik kampung tanam padi lah. Shortage of man power in that sector.

[wilfredlgf]

This place sounds more like Chow Kit day by day. :)

[eaglehelang]

I am absolutely agree with you eaglehelang. They should perform otherwise hantar balik kampung tanam padi lah. Shortage of man power in that sector.

LOL, padi is not lucrative nowadays, maybe tanam kelapa sawit.

That's why the other BCers said there should be another 'Rexy' who dare to take risks in MS. If the juniors are not given more exposure than what is currently, they might get discouraged.

Relating it to MD, TBH said in an interviews (after winning AE) that he saw players from other countries who are the same age as him playing with the big boys at International Level.
While he being the senior squad only sparring partner, he felt like giving up. I think TBH was refering to the time he was still partnering HoonTH. The seniors had a go at team events, as the youngest pair, like reserve pair (TBH didn't say that, just my observation)
Thank goodness Rexy gave him opportunities to see action.

[X Ball]

As stated in other similar threads about Hafiz, Hafiz is with the club Nusa Mahsuri, not BAM. So, technically he's wasting the club's $$$, not taxpayers money. I agree though he's wasting other resources - Misbun's time and sweat as coach, all the sports science staff, etc.
In the same vein, many have critizied Kuan Beng Hong, for the years he's under BAM havent produced any significant results.

BAM should consider upgrading the juniors -Tan CS, Chan KB and groom them to take over from LCW.

Kinda agree and also disagree. TCS, CKB are sent to play internationally but they are still 'short'. Sometimes you need to coddle them a bit before you let them lose -- KBH was one where he was thrown into the pool and he did not know how to swim fast enough. He has never recovered from his fear. Obviously, LCW was special, he had a strong desire to succeed.

BAM has always said TCS, CKB will have their tournaments to go to, e.g. the satellite tournaments (VO, MO, PO, etc.) and they have stuck to their guns. TCS is slowly gaining confidence and it may be the right pace/timing for him. JUst because there is a crisis (lack of top players) does not mean we can send TCS, CKB into action immediately. We must be patient and of course, there is pain in being patient.

[eaglehelang]

Kinda agree and also disagree. TCS, CKB are sent to play internationally but they are still 'short'. Sometimes you need to coddle them a bit before you let them lose -- KBH was one where he was thrown into the pool and he did not know how to swim fast enough. He has never recovered from his fear. Obviously, LCW was special, he had a strong desire to succeed.

BAM has always said TCS, CKB will have their tournaments to go to, e.g. the satellite tournaments (VO, MO, PO, etc.) and they have stuck to their guns. TCS is slowly gaining confidence and it may be the right pace/timing for him. JUst because there is a crisis (lack of top players) does not mean we can send TCS, CKB into action immediately. We must be patient and of course, there is pain in being patient.

That's was Razif's answer when they wanted to upgrade TCS. Read my post on TBH being discouraged. He was only 19 and he felt left out. KKK is only 22, he was 18 when upgraded to senior squad.
TanWK/WoonKW were grateful to Rexy for letting them play in major events, they said it improved their game up a notch. Both are only 18.

TCS is already 21. Chan KB is 20. Young players from other countries are exposed in their teens at SS level. Is it different for MS than MD or XD?

[nwy5633]

6th title will be gud for them..
next they need to take the JO title,which the lost it last year!
i really want to see koo/tan take back every SS,Gold GP & BWF event titles!
maybe not all in a time, but can took every title once,atleast..

[X Ball]

That's was Razif's answer when they wanted to upgrade TCS. Read my post on TBH being discouraged. He was only 19 and he felt left out. KKK is only 22, he was 18 when upgraded to senior squad.
TanWK/WoonKW were grateful to Rexy for letting them play in major events, they said it improved their game up a notch. Both are only 18.

TCS is already 21. Chan KB is 20. Young players from other countries are exposed in their teens at SS level. Is it different for MS than MD or XD?


Like I say I am not really sure whether to sent the young guys (as you pointed out it worked before) or not (after what happened to KBH).

I guess the senior guys are 'hogging the space' if they don't perform. And I believe the ultimatum has been given to senior players that they will not be sent for tournaments if they don't perform. I always believe the time would come when Hafiz would feel like he should not go if he keeps losing early (I hope he calls into his inner strength to pull himself up).

And we cannot say WCH is passed it either because he still gets around but in his case, he already said he will retire after the Olympics. And if it is true Hafiz is not paid out of BAM, then he can continue to be around if KLRC is sponsoring.

Anyway, TCS, CKB will definitely be thrown into the 'cauldron' next year. I hope they will get up like LCW.

[eaglehelang]

And we cannot say WCH is passed it either because he still gets around but in his case, he already said he will retire after the Olympics. And if it is true Hafiz is not paid out of BAM, then he can continue to be around if KLRC is sponsoring.

Anyway, TCS, CKB will definitely be thrown into the 'cauldron' next year. I hope they will get up like LCW.


1) How did you find out about TCS,CKB? Cos Yap KH said there won't be additions to senior squad till after Beijing Olympics.

2) WCH should definitely be in, he's a good example of fighting spirit
3) Hafiz is with Nusa Mahsuri(run by Jailani Sidek) like his older bro. BAM wanted to have serious discussion with his club on how to improve his game. Yeah true, he'll still be around if his club keeps him. He's only 25.

[Yojimbo]

Am I too late to congratulate them? Anyways, CONGRATULATIONS KKK/TBH!!! Keep on improving and achieving greater heights.All the best to them in the coming tournaments.Let their success be an inspiration and motivation for other MAS pairs to work harder in order to achieve their goals.

[X Ball]

1) How did you find out about TCS,CKB? Cos Yap KH said there won't be additions to senior squad till after Beijing Olympics.

2) WCH should definitely be in, he's a good example of fighting spirit
3) Hafiz is with Nusa Mahsuri(run by Jailani Sidek) like his older bro. BAM wanted to have serious discussion with his club on how to improve his game. Yeah true, he'll still be around if his club keeps him. He's only 25.

I don't know -- I am guessing that would be the case coz their ages are about right to start them in the seniors else they would not hang around for long. Doing satellite tournaments are only half fun, pretty sure they want SS tournaments. BAM should know this. Don't think YKH knows everything that is going to happen, and if something goes wrong with LCW, it might even be faster.

If I were TCS or CKB, I would enjoy for now coz tomorrow could come too soon.

[eaglehelang]

.
If I were TCS or CKB, I would enjoy for now coz tomorrow could come too soon.

Ha, ha, ha. The juniors in general don't seem to think that way- from what they say in the media. They only have limited number of years to make it in sports. They're eagerly waiting in the ranks to join in, so glad they get to spar with LCW in training. And fired up after getting a chance to play in SEA Games.
Can't imagine what would have happened if TBH had gotten fed up of waiting and opted out.

[USAfan]

Ha, ha, ha. The juniors in general don't seem to think that way- from what they say in the media. They only have limited number of years to make it in sports. They're eagerly waiting in the ranks to join in, so glad they get to spar with LCW in training. And fired up after getting a chance to play in SEA Games.
Can't imagine what would have happened if TBH had gotten fed up of waiting and opted out.

Its due, give the juniors a chance ! What does BAM has to loose ? Let the juniors spar and train with the seniors. Time is now to groom future champions, be pro-active instead of waiting for the seniors to turn around. After Olympic 2008, give the junior program to WCH or hire another established foreign coach. Overhaul the program !!!!!!

[damouse]

Certainly congratulations to KKK/TBH for at least trying to maintain consistency...I think they are the first Malaysian pair/player in a LONG time to go into a tournament ranked world #1 and managed to win the title of the said tournament. From memory, most of our players flopped in the next tourney after being ranked world #1.

However, I still think they need to develop their personal relationship more so that they can have a better partnership on court. Was watching the final match and Kien Keat wasn't happy at all at Boon Heong when he conceded a point to the Danish pair at the rubber, at 20-11.

I saw Chong Mong/Kien Keat playing in Commonwealth Games 06 in Melbourne and they definitely have a much much better personal rapport. They're always smiling and joking with each other and perhaps Chong Ming was a more patient senior to Kien Keat compared to Kien Keat to Boon Heong...

I guess I am disappointed that I never saw them exchanging hugs after a win - only a high five. Even winning the All England, they didn't hug each other, which makes me think out of the court, they're probably not very good friends. That's kind of sad when I remember Kien Keat and Chong Ming hugging each other so cheerfully after the Commonwealth win. :(

Ah well. Really hope they can develop their friendship off court, I believe that will take them to even greater heights on court.

[jug8man]

Its due, give the juniors a chance ! What does BAM has to loose ? Let the juniors spar and train with the seniors. Time is now to groom future champions, be pro-active instead of waiting for the seniors to turn around. After Olympic 2008, give the junior program to WCH or hire another established foreign coach. Overhaul the program !!!!!!

That's actually a very good point. It's not very much practiced in BAM forsome reason. Seniors set up are not helping their juniors enough. Actually it could be a very mutual gain but i suppose some ppl.........

[X Ball]

Its due, give the juniors a chance ! What does BAM has to loose ? Let the juniors spar and train with the seniors. Time is now to groom future champions, be pro-active instead of waiting for the seniors to turn around. After Olympic 2008, give the junior program to WCH or hire another established foreign coach. Overhaul the program !!!!!!


WCH should make a good coach - he knows the ropes as well as anyone. I have a strong feeling he would be given his strong interest in badminton.

[eaglehelang]

Its due, give the juniors a chance ! What does BAM has to loose ? Let the juniors spar and train with the seniors. Time is now to groom future champions, be pro-active instead of waiting for the seniors to turn around. After Olympic 2008, give the junior program to WCH or hire another established foreign coach. Overhaul the program !!!!!!

In the case of TanCS, ChanKB and a few other juniors, they are already doing that. They spar with LCW and Hafiz cos all of them train under Misbun.
MD-juniors and seniors spar with each other regularly.
WS and WD - No idea how the setup goes.

Currently, due to lack of space, the seniors and juniors train at different venues,so, except for Misbun's charges,they have to put it in the schedule for junior(national back-up players, not BJSS) to spar with senior.

[bcmmgr]

Note : (all media is wrong, this is the 5th time KKK/TBH beat the denmark pair).

1. Japan Open 2006
2. All England 2007
3. Swiss 2007
4. Sudirman 2007
5. Denmark 2007

[zqloy]

Certainly congratulations to KKK/TBH for at least trying to maintain consistency...I think they are the first Malaysian pair/player in a LONG time to go into a tournament ranked world #1 and managed to win the title of the said tournament. From memory, most of our players flopped in the next tourney after being ranked world #1.

However, I still think they need to develop their personal relationship more so that they can have a better partnership on court. Was watching the final match and Kien Keat wasn't happy at all at Boon Heong when he conceded a point to the Danish pair at the rubber, at 20-11.



Nth wrong with that, i think KKK is trying to tell TBH keep his focus in closing the game. He actually thanked TBH for supporting him throughout the match when he is not playing well, I felt he actually appreciate the partnership more now.

[spchu]

I guess I am disappointed that I never saw them exchanging hugs after a win - only a high five. Even winning the All England, they didn't hug each other, which makes me think out of the court, they're probably not very good friends. That's kind of sad when I remember Kien Keat and Chong Ming hugging each other so cheerfully after the Commonwealth win. :(

Ah well. Really hope they can develop their friendship off court, I believe that will take them to even greater heights on court.


But I can argue it's not normal for 2 Malaysian men to hug in public. :):):)
and in our culture even(most) fathers dont hug their sons anymore...:):):)

[eaglehelang]

But I can argue it's not normal for 2 Malaysian men to hug in public. :):):)
and in our culture even(most) fathers dont hug their sons anymore...:):):)

What Damouse meant was, KKK hug his ex-partner CCM when they won. KKK and TBH didnt hug when they won Denmark Open and AE. So, it's not a matter of culture, it's about their closeness to one another. The recent hype about their strained relationships didnt help either.
They did hug each other after winning Macau Open, I suppose that was a breakthrough tournament for them.

My take is TBH is not the touchy huggy type-maybe shy. He quickly pulled away when Rexy hugged him after they won AE.

Most important their rapport have improved. Rexy said to the media that he's very happy they are encouraging one another. That made him happier than the fact they won the title. He's also happy TBH was able to rise up to the occasion when KKK was making errors, both showed more maturity.

[jasonmarc]

Note : (all media is wrong, this is the 5th time KKK/TBH beat the denmark pair).

1. Japan Open 2006
2. All England 2007
3. Swiss 2007
4. Sudirman 2007
5. Denmark 2007

Oh, Yes...maybe every one didnt includes the JO 2006....so its 5 times in a row.......thats amazing....and JE/MLH must be really 'geram'.....:mad:...:D:D:D

[shyeling]

boon heong always laugh even him done a mistake..
koo really play superb in the 3rd game.. they got 31 clear winning points, 23 points from koo and 8 points from boon heong..
but what important is they had to maintain the form..

[ants]

MR VChing i think you are stepping on my nerves when saying that KOO is a womaniser. Please refrain from these comments next time.
No doubt he is popular among gals.. but that does not mean that he is a womaniser.

[vching]

MR VChing i think you are stepping on my nerves when saying that KOO is a womaniser. Please refrain from these comments next time.
No doubt he is popular among gals.. but that does not mean that he is a womaniser.

Mr ants, I am sorry if I have offended you. It was a pun (a terrible one) on my part and I apologise for it. When I said womanizer, I meant Koo was popular with women, and not entirely that he has lots of women.

But you cannot deny that Koo has the 'bad boy' image that does naturally lead to his being perceived as a womaniser.

I am a great fan of Koo and I am not trying to defame him in any way.

[wilfredlgf]

Womaniser is a term to describe a person who 'pursues casual sexual relationship with multiple women' (Merriam Webster)

That's quite different from being 'popular with girls'.

Vching, aren't you tired of tasting your own foot?

[vching]

Womaniser is a term to describe a person who 'pursues casual sexual relationship with multiple women' (Merriam Webster)

That's quite different from being 'popular with girls'.

Vching, aren't you tired of tasting your own foot?

1. what does tasting your own foot mean?
2. my usage of womanizer was entirely uncalled for. I deeply and fully apologise and I will never call Koo and womanizer again. I was not aware that the definition of a womanizer was so severe.

[ants]

Mr ants, I am sorry if I have offended you. It was a pun (a terrible one) on my part and I apologise for it. When I said womanizer, I meant Koo was popular with women, and not entirely that he has lots of women.

But you cannot deny that Koo has the 'bad boy' image that does naturally lead to his being perceived as a womaniser.

I am a great fan of Koo and I am not trying to defame him in any way.

Apologies accepted. Anyway dont do it anymore. Please go back into topic.. of not this thread will be closed.

[wilfredlgf]

1. what does tasting your own foot mean?


Put one's foot in one's mouth

Meaning:
This idiom is used to describe when a person says the wrong thing at the wrong time. We often use this idiom if we say something stupid in front of other people, especially if it is something embarrassing and inappropriate. We can also use it to describe when someone else makes this kind of mistake.

http://english1010.com/put_ones_foot_in_ones_mouth.htm

[carol91]

kkk-tbh din hug each other after AE?
I tot they hug each other, n 2gether shake hands wit the service judge?

[vching]

Put one's foot in one's mouth

Meaning:
This idiom is used to describe when a person says the wrong thing at the wrong time. We often use this idiom if we say something stupid in front of other people, especially if it is something embarrassing and inappropriate. We can also use it to describe when someone else makes this kind of mistake.

http://english1010.com/put_ones_foot_in_ones_mouth.htm

ahh... i see... you learn something new everyday! :):)

[pjswift]

I don't think hug or high five is an indication of their relationship. It expresses how they feel about their win.Although MCO is not a SS, they hug with overjoy because it's their first win over ctf/lww, a breakthrough victory.Same feeling when ccm/kkk beat the Danes in TC06;the score ended at 30-29.Also the MCO win ended their dry spell.Whereas defeating the Danes in SS is 'normal'.

[robin7]

It is very weird, my previous post on ".... A high-five is good, a hug is better, a kiss will be the best (just kidding :D:D)." went missing. Is it that offending that it has to be deleted? :confused::confused:

[ants]

Both KKK and TBH never have any problems off court. At the same time both of them are aware that they have to learn to understand each other better on court. And they are improving. The only real test is when you are losing not winning.

[Han]

Both KKK and TBH never have any problems off court. At the same time both of them are aware that they have to learn to understand each other better on court. And they are improving. The only real test is when you are losing not winning.

True, winning is the cure of all sickness!

[JasonMichael]

Sifu Ants still not asleep? haha...
yeah.... its a mind game when ur are winning or losing. The idea is not to let obstacles intimidate ya.


Both KKK and TBH never have any problems off court. At the same time both of them are aware that they have to learn to understand each other better on court. And they are improving. The only real test is when you are losing not winning.

[nauyuchi]

This place sounds more like Chow Kit day by day. :)


IMO thats what these forum should be... noisy but in silence....
yeah... i prefer that...

[wilfredlgf]

IMO thats what these forum should be... noisy but in silence....
yeah... i prefer that...
I was referring to the use of rojak language that is erm, incomprehensible for people not from this side of the world...

[V3i HoN6]

Both KKK and TBH never have any problems off court. At the same time both of them are aware that they have to learn to understand each other better on court. And they are improving. The only real test is when you are losing not winning.
Yeah. the real test is when they are losing.
How can they not blaming each other but encouraging each other instead.

[X Ball]

With a partnership, complimenting each other is easy but complementing each other is a tat more difficult.

So whilst the high fives and the hugs are there to show, I would like to see a longer term understanding between the two -- and the first thing to show that is that they continue to play well together without going back to the ill-feelings that hampered them from winning.

[spchu]

It is very weird, my previous post on ".... A high-five is good, a hug is better, a kiss will be the best (just kidding :D:D)." went missing. Is it that offending that it has to be deleted? :confused::confused:

Not just yours, I think moderator found the gay intonation offending or out of topic, so all the postings on that has been deleted too.

[robin7]

Not just yours, I think moderator found the gay intonation offending or out of topic, so all the postings on that has been deleted too.
I started describing how Koo/Tan played and how they reacted when losing a point. I ended the post with that high5-hug-kiss joke.

And now I remember, u r the one who provoked the sensitive issue.:mad::mad:

[ants]

Please dont start the fire again please guys.

[spchu]

Okay, let's focus on French Open then.....

[extremenanopowe]

Send him to anger management class. haha.
Anyway, due to the passion and the frustration, it happens sometime. Rexy for Agung... hehe. Has this been proposed?
:D

I thought he already the president after All England :D:D:D
As much as I love Rexy, I think he needs to improve his management skill. No reason to criticize players in public after each lost, do it in the close door and enforce with action in private. Keep emotion and stress level in check so he can last until Olympic :D I don't want to see Rexy collapse again in training hall.

[jimbo]

KKK/TBH... just lompat tinggi tinggi... hantam kuat kuat... sure win French Open... If cant win, go McDonalds eat French Fries lor... :D:p

Msia boleh...!!!

[koo_fan]

Send him to anger management class. haha.
Anyway, due to the passion and the frustration, it happens sometime. Rexy for Agung... hehe. Has this been proposed?
:D
we all know it is impossible.so no one have ever suggest this.
and u are the first.be 'proud' for that.

rexy criticize kkk/tbh while Misbun encourage lcw.but both of them succeed in producing players for malaysia.it is just about coaching style.
rexy's angry facade is just temporary.just to give warning to his players.

[extremenanopowe]

Yo Jimbo,
If cannot win, go and take picture with monalisa la... Get a perfect smile. took me a while to find the classic. Huge place.

U playing in Pioneers? I have to cancel it due to overseas trip. shoots... Hope to play in cheers.:D


KKK/TBH... just lompat tinggi tinggi... hantam kuat kuat... sure win French Open... If cant win, go McDonalds eat French Fries lor... :D:p

Msia boleh...!!!

[koo_fan]

KKK/TBH... just lompat tinggi tinggi... hantam kuat kuat... sure win French Open... If cant win, go McDonalds eat French Fries lor... :D:p

Msia boleh...!!!
thats for sure...

u are talking about my kkk.and tbh..

[extremenanopowe]

Looking the the record, if not mistaken, this year could be the year where the malaysian won the most tournaments compared to the previous senior generations. Anyone has a count on the history? Ok. Lets vote all these players to the parliament next year. Badminton politic rules... haha..:D

[Pemuda]

Yes, yes KKK/TBH won the Danish Open. And they played decent badminton on their way to winning the title.

Am I convinced that they have what it takes to take that Olympic gold or the WC next time round??? Honestly, I am yet to be convinced. I still think they dont have the mental strength to win the big tournaments i.e. Olympic & WC.

Anyway, I must give credit to ML/JE for still being up there amongst the best despite their advanced age. Wonder KKK/TBH can still play top class badminton when they are in their mid 30s???

Anyway, good to see KKK/TBH win the DO. Hope their feet can be grounded and not get swayed with the usual Malaysia Boleh celebrations and all.

[V3i HoN6]

we all know it is impossible.so no one have ever suggest this.
and u are the first.be 'proud' for that.

rexy criticize kkk/tbh while Misbun encourage lcw.but both of them succeed in producing players for malaysia.it is just about coaching style.
rexy's angry facade is just temporary.just to give warning to his players.
I think is not about anger and critics. He can have them all and much more.
I agree to him(extremenanopower) that Rexy doing this too much to the press. If you follow the news during the time before and after WC, I think is too dramatic and star like. Why does this necessarily and helpful to them?

[extremenanopowe]

In terms of winning tournaments, I believe it's proven that they can win it. Its just at the form during each of the tournament. Maybe they should find some ways to stimulate the form at the moment in time. Suggestions?

1) Get Rexy to rant in front of them again. Or cukur all their hairs (legs also) if the loose. hehe.:D Yap Kim Hock to volunteer.:D


Yes, yes KKK/TBH won the Danish Open. And they played decent badminton on their way to winning the title.

Am I convinced that they have what it takes to take that Olympic gold or the WC next time round??? Honestly, I am yet to be convinced. I still think they dont have the mental strength to win the big tournaments i.e. Olympic & WC.

Anyway, I must give credit to ML/JE for still being up there amongst the best despite their advanced age. Wonder KKK/TBH can still play top class badminton when they are in their mid 30s???

Anyway, good to see KKK/TBH win the DO. Hope their feet can be grounded and not get swayed with the usual Malaysia Boleh celebrations and all.

[alfa-2]

1) Get Rexy to rant in front of them again. Or cukur all their hairs (legs also) if the loose. hehe.:D Yap Kim Hock to volunteer.:D

u wana make soup with them is it? then can play like KKK........:D:D:D

[koo_fan]

I think is not about anger and critics. He can have them all and much more.
I agree to him(extremenanopower) that Rexy doing this too much to the press. If you follow the news during the time before and after WC, I think is too dramatic and star like. Why does this necessarily and helpful to them?
rexy's statement to press is to give pressure to his players.and thats his style.
i think rexy directing his opinions to BAM .and he use his players.
but can u see how kkk/tbh improved and left all their problems behind and work together for the sake of their career?

[eaglehelang]

Anyway, good to see KKK/TBH win the DO. Hope their feet can be grounded and not get swayed with the usual Malaysia Boleh celebrations and all.

Nowadays the celebrations are very much toned down. It more like the pressure of "We must continue winning or else suffer wrath of NSC, the sports ministry." When they won AG, it was after 36 years of drought in MD. When they won AE, it was after 25 years.

Now when they win, it's ok good, biasa-lah. It's getting to be like Nicol David winning strings of title and it's normal. When she lose twice, they want investigation why she fail, high pressure to be at the top.

[chavin]

Now when they win, it's ok good, biasa-lah. It's getting to be like Nicol David winning strings of title and it's normal. When she lose twice, they want investigation why she fail, high pressure to be at the top.

totally agree with you... dont give them too much pressure guys just let them enjoy their game and the result will keep comin in. exception* HH, gotta whip :eek: this guy sooooooooon :D:D

[little_bird]

It's true that Malaysia players mentality not strong enough and over the time, I can see improvement.

The bottom line is, we must give them undivided support as long as they're determined and play all out.

Of course if you see player with attitude problem such as Hafiz, you know, it's tough to ask for support from us lah.

[Yojimbo]

Ooopss....I accidentally posted twice....canceled the post already

[Yojimbo]

totally agree with you... dont give them too much pressure guys just let them enjoy their game and the result will keep comin in. exception* HH, gotta whip :eek: this guy sooooooooon :D:D
I suggest that you literally and personally whip HH:p And when he's playing....you'll be ready with your whip...he'll be scared silly:D Just joking...haha:D But he really should improve his game....I think he has great potential....don't waste it la...:rolleyes:

[chavin]

we cant be supporting them always if they themself dont have the desire to win games, its waste of our time by putting our energy on them. win or lose is part and partial of a game but not that often,worst still to player rank below them. u can have a bad patch for couple of months but 2 years i think something wrong jor..

[Yojimbo]

The players must believe in themselves first before letting others believing in them.

[sweetlover]

rexy's statement to press is to give pressure to his players.and thats his style.
i think rexy directing his opinions to BAM .and he use his players.
but can u see how kkk/tbh improved and left all their problems behind and work together for the sake of their career?
yup...
i agree with u....
rexy have their own tectic to put kkk-tbh on their top again...
he done a very good job when now kkk-tbh seems more comfortable with each other ....:)
salute rexy...!!!

[samuel882]

Yes, yes KKK/TBH won the Danish Open. And they played decent badminton on their way to winning the title.

Am I convinced that they have what it takes to take that Olympic gold or the WC next time round??? Honestly, I am yet to be convinced. I still think they dont have the mental strength to win the big tournaments i.e. Olympic & WC.

Anyway, I must give credit to ML/JE for still being up there amongst the best despite their advanced age. Wonder KKK/TBH can still play top class badminton when they are in their mid 30s???

Anyway, good to see KKK/TBH win the DO. Hope their feet can be grounded and not get swayed with the usual Malaysia Boleh celebrations and all.

Your wish come true :eek: Congrats !

[Pemuda]

rexy's statement to press is to give pressure to his players.and thats his style.
i think rexy directing his opinions to BAM .and he use his players.
but can u see how kkk/tbh improved and left all their problems behind and work together for the sake of their career?

Improved?? :confused:
They are still inconsistent.

[koo_fan]

Improved?? :confused:
They are still inconsistent.
whatever pemuda .i dont care.

[koo_fan]

yup...
i agree with u....
rexy have their own tectic to put kkk-tbh on their top again...
he done a very good job when now kkk-tbh seems more comfortable with each other ....:)
salute rexy...!!!
sometimes sis,there are people who put too much hopes on kkk/tbh and their improvements are hardly recognizes by all those people.
what can we do?
thanks for agree with me anyway..
peace sis..

[wilfredlgf]

Improved?? :confused:
They are still inconsistent.
Tell me mate, what do they have to do to get a 'well done' from you - juggle three bowling pins, peel an apple whilst writing a book review on Macbeth, in less than 350 words?