Th Vs Ld

[xlasher]

What you guys expect for this big Quarter Final Match ???:confused::confused::confused:

I think this will be the most interesting match in the QF and is there any link to watch live ?? (from US)

[Simoneolivelli]

I hope that Taufik can catch the match. I hope that his mind will be in the court.

[ye333]

Based on TH's recent performance, I would be very surprised to see different result. :cool:

[Han]

Based on TH's recent performance, I would be very surprised to see different result. :cool:

Agreed especially now Lin Dan has grown more mature and has won 2 World Championship titles. Anyway, this is the time for Lin Dan to prove his worthy #1 title in the world without the help of his team mate. However, I hope Taufik can rise to the occasion. Have a mix feeling where I don't think Taufik can win but want him to win.

[apontoh]

It could be a thrilling 3-game match, with LD prevailing in the end...the first two games will be tight though.

[phaarix]

Past few games don't seem to have been so good for Taufik... So I think this time Lin Dan will win. But who knows! Taufik's so unpredictable. Goes up and down all over the show. Might have a seemingly tough game against an average player one day, and then take down a top player relatively easily the next! But I really do expect Lin Dan to win this particular meeting. Cheering for Taufik though :).

[jump_smashing]

I think Lin Dan would beat Taufik Hidayat, maybe in 3 match games ... but if Taufik will win ... no other way only in 2 straight games

[steffi_annie]

I was looking at the tournament software just now and I saw that there's channels that are showing live today......
go to the matches list for today and you will be able to see the channel listed behind the names.

[indra]

I think Lin Dan would beat Taufik Hidayat, maybe in 3 match games ... but if Taufik will win ... no other way only in 2 straight games

Please ask LD first how many sets he prefers to play....Any number of sets will do for TH.:D

[tjl_vanguard]

Please ask LD first how many sets he prefers to play....Any number of sets will do for TH.:D

honestly, i wish TH to win LD and dethrone him frm world #1... but for now, i think its quite impossible...

[mAlAn]

Please ask LD first how many sets he prefers to play....Any number of sets will do for TH.:D

I like this one :D
LoL, Huhahahaha
Good, Good, Good,.,. :D

[shanisen3200]

That's tough match.
Base on a last performance, LD will defeat TH 2:0:D:D

[jasonmarc]

Now a day...at least for now...the strategy to beat TH is simple...be patient...drag TH on...for long rallies....dont smash too much....again keep rallying...dont makes too many unforce error....possible make it rubber.....avoid net playing with TH......make sure TH to really work for every point he is earning....then the stamina problem will fail TH.........This strategy have been proven effective in Macau, Chinese Taipei by CJ an Sony...So try it LD...for French Open..hehehehehehehe

[luyi80]

Heart says TH, head says LD, just wait and see!

[indra]

I was wondering what both (LD and TH) are thinking and doing now in advance of their showdown...

It will be very interesting to have a pre-match conference with them...asking them how they feel having to meet at the QR....

Paris is a neutral ground for both....

[well-son]

Don't discount mental toughness. Though LD's fitness is his advantage (compare with Taufik's stamina), TH is mentally tougher than LD. Though TH have been so often lost to lower ranked players, if he meet LD it'll a different thing. Maybe in his mind, he may lost to any players except his all time "enemy" - the player he want to beat the most.
Anyway, I predict LD should prevail (based on their current forms and performance).

Let's see...

[LI De Quan]

Now a day...at least for now...the strategy to beat TH is simple...be patient...drag TH on...for long rallies....dont smash too much....again keep rallying...dont makes too many unforce error....possible make it rubber.....avoid net playing with TH......make sure TH to really work for every point he is earning....then the stamina problem will fail TH.........This strategy have been proven effective in Macau, Chinese Taipei by CJ an Sony...So try it LD...for French Open..hehehehehehehe
Totally agree with you :D:cool:

[george@chongwei]

i think lin dan will win this game in 3 sets..

[CLELY]

Finally, the most wanted match for all bdm lovers happens in Paris!
In year of 2007, LD vs TH showdown :

17 January/07 -- MAS SS (1st round/R32) when TH lost to LD with straight games and very tight scores, 19-21 ; 21-23.

02 November/07 -- FRA SS (quarterfinal), still 50:50 chance for both players...

Achievement comparison thus far :
- LD : 4 SS titles (Korea,All England,China Masters,Denmark Open) plus 1 GP (Germany Open) and the prestigious World Champion.
- TH : 1 GP Gold title (Asian Continental Championship)

[xymaerts]

Although Taufik is a good player. But LD is a class higher.. I believe he will win.

[extremenanopowe]

The edge is still on lindan, this guy can still fly. TH is slowing down due to family commitment and he normally focus on biggies. Hopefully its an interesting and heart pounding game (with controversies) as usual to give fans the excitement.

[Maximum]

Hope LD will win... Dont dare to watch the livescore of this match, I'll get heart attack.. Haha

[badminto_expert]

hi Man,

If one of the greedy player join to all IBF tournament. He will be the top ranking no.1

Actually, I am not agree to the IBF Ranking.

Lin Dan got titles like 2 times World Championship. the Second time he got because the IBF change the rules for World Championship every year (Last time every 2 years). Lin Dan also got alot SS Champion and Open Champion... so total will be 16 Champion

Taufik Hidayat got titles:
- 1 time World Championship. He beat Lin Dan very easier in final
- 1 time Olimpic Champion. He beat korean player easier in final
- 2 times Asian Games Champion (2002 and 2006). He beat Lee Yun Il straight set in 2002 and he beat Lin Dan straight set in 2006.
Taufik Got alot titles champion for Open Tournament=14 Champion

Base On this above record. So difficult for us to predict right...

You can see from the Yonex Advertisement:
Taufik - Skill Expert
Lin Dan - Power Expert.

Taufik Stamina not fully good. Lin Dan Stamina very very good

Taufik's Skill better than Lin Dan. Strategy/Tactic, TH also better than Lin Dan.
But one of this we can't forget: Stamina/Power/Movement Faster, Can cover and take anywhere the shuttlecock go... Nah This one Lin Dan Better then Taufik.


Agreed especially now Lin Dan has grown more mature and has won 2 World Championship titles. Anyway, this is the time for Lin Dan to prove his worthy #1 title in the world without the help of his team mate. However, I hope Taufik can rise to the occasion. Have a mix feeling where I don't think Taufik can win but want him to win.

[badminto_expert]

Yes. I think can be 50-50. that's way I am not refer to the ranking. The Ranking is just ranking.

In Final TH Alway Beat LD. But Qf, SF I don't thing TH can beat LD.. but i want taufik win.


Finally, the most wanted match for all bdm lovers happens in Paris!
In year of 2007, LD vs TH showdown :

17 January/07 -- MAS SS (1st round/R32) when TH lost to LD with straight games and very tight scores, 19-21 ; 21-23.

02 November/07 -- FRA SS (quarterfinal), still 50:50 chance for both players...

Achievement comparison thus far :
- LD : 4 SS titles (Korea,All England,China Masters,Denmark Open) plus 1 GP (Germany Open) and the prestigious World Champion.
- TH : 1 GP Gold title (Asian Continental Championship)

[well-son]

hi Man,

If one of the greedy player join to all IBF tournament. He will be the top ranking no.1

Actually, I am not agree to the IBF Ranking.



Are you sure about your statement above?
I disagree with that one.

Even if one play in ALL BWF tourneys, if he/she is not good enough, he/she won't be World #1.

[gidong]

For Sure Lin Dan Win ... 100%

[robin7]

Many would think that the in-form Lin Dan has the edge over the off-form Taufik. But we can never discount on Taufik because history tells us that Taufik can play extremely well when playing top players especially Lin Dan. It will be a battle of skills + fitness + mental. LD will win in two tight sets or 3 thrilling sets. For TH, I don't see him winning in straight sets but he still has a little chance of upsetting LD in 3 sets.

[gidong]

Many would think that the in-form Lin Dan has the edge over the off-form Taufik. But we can never discount on Taufik because history tells us that Taufik can play extremely well when playing top players especially Lin Dan. It will be a battle of skills + fitness + mental. LD will win in two tight sets or 3 thrilling sets. For TH, I don't see him can win in straight sets but he can still upset LD in 3 sets.

NOPE ... NOT TODAY :rolleyes:

[robin7]

NOPE ... NOT TODAY :rolleyes:
Don't wanna argue with u. Let us wait and see.:rolleyes:

[koo_fan]

please win for ur daughter Th.u have let her down in WC..dont let it happen again..
when she grow up,what will u answer if she ask..
"why do u lost just after my birth,daddy?"...(something like this lah)

come on taufiq,Ld is nothing.u are everything.in the court today

[gidong]

Don't wanna argue with u. Let us wait and see.:rolleyes:
No need to argue it coz da reality is Taufik can't beat LD this time ... :D

[robin7]

No need to argue it coz da reality is Taufik can't beat LD this time ... :D
What's your problem? Stop your childish deeds right now.:mad:

[ants]

I can see LinDan winning ... but i'm rooting for Taufik.

[MaLaYsIa Boleh!]

it will be optimistic for LD win..
but i paw on taufik..
the important thing is i dunwan all china final!
since ina players been a lot of trouble to LD..
maybe , juz maybe, taufik can beat him this time!

[THEbaschti]

I was looking at the tournament software just now and I saw that there's channels that are showing live today......
go to the matches list for today and you will be able to see the channel listed behind the names.

Can't see any channels listed there, could you post them here?

Btw on recent performance I don't think that Taufik will be able to beat LD...but let's see

[Stein_r]

My prediction is that Lin Dan will take the Victory. It doesn't matter in 2 oder 3 sets. Victory counts. Althought i'm a big fan of TH due to his technique perfection, i do not believe that he can take over LD who is physically much more stronger. At that Level of profession it isn't the fact of better technique rather that the fact of better fitness.

[Maximum]

Many would think that the in-form Lin Dan has the edge over the off-form Taufik. But we can never discount on Taufik because history tells us that Taufik can play extremely well when playing top players especially Lin Dan. It will be a battle of skills + fitness + mental. LD will win in two tight sets or 3 thrilling sets. For TH, I don't see him winning in straight sets but he still has a little chance of upsetting LD in 3 sets.
If u said that can play extremely well while playing against top players, does that means that LCW is not a top player??? Well, he cant beat LCW... Hmmm... I prefer the fact that LCW is not a top player as I like TH.. Of course I like LD more!!! haha

[robin7]

If u said that can play extremely well while playing against top players, does that means that LCW is not a top player??? Well, he cant beat LCW... Hmmm... I prefer the fact that LCW is not a top player as I like TH.. Of course I like LD more!!! haha
I suggest that u re-read my post. Don't worry if it's still beyond your comprehension.:rolleyes:

[pjswift]

My prediction is that Lin Dan will take the Victory. It doesn't matter in 2 oder 3 sets. Victory counts. Althought i'm a big fan of TH due to his technique perfection, i do not believe that he can take over LD who is physically much more stronger. At that Level of profession it isn't the fact of better technique rather that the fact of better fitness.
That's why TH can only win with crowd support to energise him.
LD bu jia you, hai keyi. TH bu jia you, bu keyi.

[ants]

Make sure the umpire and linesman will not give him a hard time. And also shuttle cock problems. ehhehe

[woodenRacket]

LD falls far behind 8:14, 14:20. all are expecting rubber set. but .... superdan comes back! winning 6 points in straight and devastated TH's confidence and superiority.
Poor TH, he is becoming a history...

[Han]

LD falls far behind 8:14, 14:20. all are expecting rubber set. but .... superdan comes back! winning 6 points in straight and devastated TH's confidence and superiority.
Poor TH, he is becoming a history...

Don't count TH out yet as he's not in his peak. For him to be as dominating as before, he has to regain his deadly smashes ... Like Haifz, Taufik just have to train very hard and realize the past success is not the guarantee of the future winning. Taufik should realize by now, he has only two options, quit or work harder as his current form will not win him any more big tournament. More drama to come before Olympic ...

[cooler]

LD falls far behind 8:14, 14:20. all are expecting rubber set. but .... superdan comes back! winning 6 points in straight and devastated TH's confidence and superiority.
Poor TH, he is becoming a history... I see this win as a revenge win over TH because if u remember how LD lost in the 06 AG at Doha where LD mis-timed and mis-paced his afterburner as he was also way behind on the 2nd set. Usually LD needed 3 sets to beat TH but this come back to win show that LD has supercede TH in both of the mental and physical department. TH fans often see (or wish) how taufik can do well in big event but dont recognize or appreciate how much potent reserve (skills and stamina) LD has behind his sleeve.

[ye333]

It's hard to judge whether TH can come back or not. After all he has been in the circuit for 10 years and suffered many injuries etc. Maybe he is really already worn out by now and will never be as lethal as before (just watched a TH - CH match in 2004 I bought from you, really really surprised by how hard he can smash back then, CH just cannot return those powerful smashes).

On the other hand, TH will be eligible for OG as long as he is not behind both Sony and Simon. Which is not a hard task if he attend every tournament. And he is doing exactly that recently. After May 01 next year he can pass all tournaments to concentrate on training his physique. So there is a possibility that TH can boost his stamina-speed-power substantially before OG 08. If LD thinks TH is already past-tense, he may pay dearly before 3 billion staring eyes.


Don't count TH out yet as he's not in his peak. For him to be as dominating as before, he has to regain his deadly smashes ... Like Haifz, Taufik just have to train very hard and realize the past success is not the guarantee of the future winning. Taufik should realize by now, he has only two options, quit or work harder as his current form will not win him any more big tournament. More drama to come before Olympic ...

[robin7]

Once again, Lin Dan proved to the world that he is the true champion.
Taufik Hidayat must have been very disappointed with his performance.
Anyway, LD was just too good by taking 7 pts in a row twice in the 1st game, grabbing 6 consecutive pts and saving 4 game points in the 2nd game, to seal the match 21-14 22-20.

[fastdrop]

Once again, Lin Dan proved to the world that he is the true champion.
Taufik Hidayat must have been very disappointed with his performance.
Anyway, LD was just too good by taking 7 pts in a row twice in the 1st game, grabbing 6 consecutive pts and saving 4 game points in the 2nd game, to seal the match 21-14 22-20.

Taufik did play well today. However, I think his stamina is the problem. He also made a couple of wrong judgment thinking the shuttle is out. Taufik is known for his back hand smash but now he has come up with a new trick that appears to be a back hand smash but last minute it will be a back hand drop. He caught Lin Dan twice. The crowd loves Taufik.
I must say that Lin Dan and his coach can always come up with a quick fix everytime there is a problem. Apparently, when Taufik was doing his almost perfect net shots, Lin Dan was always ready to do the counter-drop.

[ctjcad]

Many would think that the in-form Lin Dan has the edge over the off-form Taufik. But we can never discount on Taufik because history tells us that Taufik can play extremely well when playing top players especially Lin Dan. It will be a battle of skills + fitness + mental. LD will win in two tight sets or 3 thrilling sets. For TH, I don't see him winning in straight sets but he still has a little chance of upsetting LD in 3 sets.
..hmm, i would assume you are referring to TH's chances vs. LinDan in the just ended QF matchup?? If so, then possibly.;)
But if the notion is about Taufik having a chance to win in 3 sets over LinDan, or esp. against a top 10 MS opponent, i **highly doubt** his chances or "his little chance of upsetting LD in 3 sets". As a matter of fact, when was the last time or how often does Taufik win in 3 sets over a highly ranked opponent?; let alone win over LinDan in 3 sets?? And IIRC, Taufik's wins over LinDan were always decided in 2 straight sets. And once again, he proved to us that he still struggles winning over LinDan, even in 2 sets;)

My prediction is that Lin Dan will take the Victory. It doesn't matter in 2 oder 3 sets. Victory counts. Althought i'm a big fan of TH due to his technique perfection, i do not believe that he can take over LD who is physically much more stronger. At that Level of profession it isn't the fact of better technique rather that the fact of better fitness.
..both are needed, but yes, the main factor in Singles play is always stamina/fitness..;):cool:

I see this win as a revenge win over TH because if u remember how LD lost in the 06 AG at Doha where LD mis-timed and mis-paced his afterburner as he was also way behind on the 2nd set. Usually LD needed 3 sets to beat TH but this come back to win show that LD has supercede TH in both of the mental and physical department. TH fans often see (or wish) how taufik can do well in big event but dont recognize or appreciate how much potent reserve (skills and stamina) LD has behind his sleeve.
..(been waiting for cooler to chime in on this thread, which i'm sure he's been itching to sound off)..:);)
As for LD having "potent reserve (in skills and stamina) ", i'm sure many of us/baddy fans/followers are well aware of that..;):cool:

Taufik did play well today. However, I think his stamina is the problem. He also made a couple of wrong judgment thinking the shuttle is out. Taufik is known for his back hand smash but now he has come up with a new trick that appears to be a back hand smash but last minute it will be a back hand drop. He caught Lin Dan twice. The crowd loves Taufik.
..his stamina/fitness has always been his achilles heel, or at least, most of the time, even before his 2004 Olympic Gold~due to lack of training/conditioning..;)
*appreciate, again, for sharing your first account point of view:cool:

[ye333]

Thanks for the summary!


Taufik did play well today. However, I think his stamina is the problem. He also made a couple of wrong judgment thinking the shuttle is out. Taufik is known for his back hand smash but now he has come up with a new trick that appears to be a back hand smash but last minute it will be a back hand drop. He caught Lin Dan twice. The crowd loves Taufik.
I must say that Lin Dan and his coach can always come up with a quick fix everytime there is a problem. Apparently, when Taufik was doing his almost perfect net shots, Lin Dan was always ready to do the counter-drop.

[cooler]

Thanks for the summary!

TH, thanks for the memory:p

[cooler]

..hmm, i would assume you are referring to TH's chances vs. LinDan in the just ended QF matchup?? If so, then possibly.;)
But if the notion is about Taufik having a chance to win in 3 sets over LinDan, or esp. against a top 10 MS opponent, i **highly doubt** his chances or "his little chance of upsetting LD in 3 sets". As a matter of fact, when was the last time or how often does Taufik win in 3 sets over a highly ranked opponent?; let alone win over LinDan in 3 sets?? And IIRC, Taufik's wins over LinDan were always decided in 2 straight sets. And once again, he proved to us that he still struggles winning over LinDan, even in 2 sets;)

..both are needed, but yes, the main factor in Singles play is always stamina/fitness..;):cool:

..(been waiting for cooler to chime in on this thread, which i'm sure he's been itching to sound off)..:);)
As for LD having "potent reserve (in skills and stamina) ", i'm sure many of us/baddy fans/followers are well aware of that..;):cool:

..his stamina/fitness has always been his achilles heel, or at least, most of the time, even before his 2004 Olympic Gold~due to lack of training/conditioning..;)
*appreciate, again, for sharing your first account point of view:cool:
ya, i had to restraint my laughter when Indra wrote before the match that TH can beat LD in 2 or 3 sets, 'take your pick'. LOL

[ctjcad]

TH, thanks for the memory:p
..cooler never ceases to tease, pinch & tickle the many Taufik fans in BC..hehe:p:D;)

[Simp84]

Taufik came quite close to winning in my opinion
To be honest I think if it was the old scoring system LD would have been deprived from scoring
Anyway ever since new scoring came in Taufik's game has always been shaky and unpredictable
With his current form the chance of bagging gold in OG08 is slim.. hope that he will start training hard!

[samuel882]

Taufik came quite close to winning in my opinion
To be honest I think if it was the old scoring system LD would have been deprived from scoring
Anyway ever since new scoring came in Taufik's game has always been shaky and unpredictable
With his current form the chance of bagging gold in OG08 is slim.. hope that he will start training hard!

He was just reserved his energy for next year OG :p
His main aim is to qualify for Beijing OG.
by next year, he should more adopt to the NSS & able to challenge + surprise many ...

[ye333]

Is it possible at all to have video for this game?

[stucken]

I was at the match yesterday. I saw that they had a camera on the side of the court and i think also somewhere behind the court. It was a great experience to see such a matchup. It should have been a third set. He was well in front in the first and especially in the second set, but he made some bad plays at the end. At some times he played brilliantly. First point of the match: a net roller with LD at the net. Few points later fantastic backhand smash at the body and he scored lot of points with the backhand drop cross court and the overhead smash straight. Tactically Lin Dan played a better match. he got a lot of lifts to end the rally with a smash. TH was not dominant at the net as is necessary to win this match, but he is a delight to watch. He makes it look so easy. The french croud really loves him haha

[Simp84]

He was just reserved his energy for next year OG :p
His main aim is to qualify for Beijing OG.
by next year, he should more adopt to the NSS & able to challenge + surprise many ...
Don't be naive.. he seriously can't win with the way he is playing now
He needs to give it all out like Asian Games 06, keep on attacking, his recent play is seriously terrible, especialy against Chen Jin it was totally not his style of play
Anyway I realy hope he can win.. we shall see how it goes, afterall theres still a few tourny till OG08 :)

[Kuan Ye]

How i wish i can watch TH play live...He makes it so easy...so relax. Luv him:)

[rhinovinda]

Did anybody observe, after beating TH, LD will certainly loose in the next match?.

[ronnie14]

Did anybody observe, after beating TH, LD will certainly loose in the next match?.

wut an analysis..but yah,kinda true..

[daniel2323]

Did anybody observe, after beating TH, LD will certainly loose in the next match?.

yaa agree.. but not only LD, i think anyone who just beat TH hv lost after then..

just like
FO-07.....LD lost to bcl
DO-07.....bcl lost to ld
Wc07....anup lost to yoyo??
phill-07...nguyen lost to CH
china master...lcw lost to ld
ina-07.......bcl lost to lcw
MO-07....ld lost to psw.... :)

[pjswift]

yaa agree.. but not only LD, i think anyone who just beat TH hv lost after then..

just like
FO-07.....LD lost to bcl
DO-07.....bcl lost to ld
Wc07....anup lost to yoyo??
phill-07...nguyen lost to CH
china master...lcw lost to ld
ina-07.......bcl lost to lcw
MO-07....ld lost to psw.... :)
Defeating TH burns up a lot of mental energy so it's normal to lose the match after.But BCL did not lose to LD in DO right after his TH win. He went on to take out CJ. Playing a compatriot requires and uses up minimal mental energy simply because teammates know each other's game by heart and there is usually a pecking order.(Before CH went independent, the pecking order observed was CH>LD>BCL>CJ.) So effectively BCL had a mental 'rest' between his TH and LCW wins.
LD should have no problem defeating BCL right after TH because BCL had a challenging match with CJ.Little mental energy would be needed by LD to play BCL.See how the G3 score ended at 17.Happened at WC06 as well. Loser score at 17;CO06 LD cruised to 17 and waited for BCL to catch up.What a coincidence.
My belief is LD had to lose to BCL because the stakes were too high for LD to play an injured LCW in the final.There is no sure win for LD because even he would have been unprepared for LCW's new tactics.CJ got horribly lost.The fact BCL got thrashed proved CHN's smart decision right.Had LD played LCW and got thrashed (very likely because LD has frozen at least 3x before when mentally burning), it would seriously damage LD's image.(Because fans would expect LD to defeat LCW easily on account of LCW's injury.)

[ye333]

Theory not true. Anup beated Yoyo and lost to LD. :cool:


yaa agree.. but not only LD, i think anyone who just beat TH hv lost after then..

just like
FO-07.....LD lost to bcl
DO-07.....bcl lost to ld
Wc07....anup lost to yoyo??
phill-07...nguyen lost to CH
china master...lcw lost to ld
ina-07.......bcl lost to lcw
MO-07....ld lost to psw.... :)

[rhinovinda]

Theory not true. Anup beated Yoyo and lost to LD. :cool:

Hahaha...then theory changed to "After beating TH, noone can become champion in the same tournament except the encounter in the final stage". Prove that this theory is now true guys. Hahaha...

[indra]

Hahaha...then theory changed to "After beating TH, noone can become champion in the same tournament except the encounter in the final stage". Prove that this theory is now true guys. Hahaha...

Yes...you are right...It is called a "Komodo saliva-effect" theory.:D Komodo is a reptile existing on SUmbawa island of Indonesia. Any animal beaten by Komodo will die in a matter of hours/days due to its poisonous saliva....

[daniel2323]

Theory not true. Anup beated Yoyo and lost to LD. :cool:

yeah i already doubt about tht..yoyo???..
sorry bad memories :(

anyway i think its not always like that, chen hong at wc-06 did not lost to gade then but lost to ld in semifinal..and theres any other reason why they lost after beat th :)

[pjswift]

Hahaha...then theory changed to "After beating TH, noone can become champion in the same tournament except the encounter in the final stage". Prove that this theory is now true guys. Hahaha...
Did LCW defeat TH in one MO and then go on to win the title?

[koo_fan]

u guys are talking like Th is a magician..is that appropiate?
i'll be scared if Th is really a magician.. indonesians know better right?
im just an outsider.

[rhinovinda]

Did LCW defeat TH in one MO and then go on to win the title?

So then the theory changed again to "After beating TH, noone can become champion in the same tournament valid after July 10th 2005 except the encounter in the final stage". Hahaha...just kidding for fun.