World Junior Championships 2007: Individual Events Day 4 (11/02)

[hcyong]

QFs today.

Left standing (total 40):
CHN - 9
INA - 9
MAS - 6
KOR - 5
JPN - 4
ENG - 3
TPE - 2
SIN - 1
THA - 1

DEN - 0 !!
Asia - 37 (East Asia - 20, South East Asia - 17)
Europe (only represented by ENG) - 3
Rest of world - 0
Bad sign ...

[hcyong]

Disclaimer: Due to the difficulty in seeding juniors, it is probable that some strong players will meet each other in the early rounds, thus eliminating players that, strength-wise, should make QF or SF.

I think BWF should have a World Ranking for juniors. Any results from junior and senior tournaments should provide ranking points for a junior. Then, we won't have all these fiasco in the seeding procedure.

[dannyang]

any profile for Long Chen?
who is he?
he seems to be unbeatable? :confused:

[huangkwokhau]

They have some protests from many of them as some of chinese players are not seeded also maria Febe is not even seeded..even Wang Lin is seeded below Liu Xin....I know that they use Asian Junior results to determine and do not use world raking that much into consideration to establish the seeding...I hope that BWF can be more transparent int his case....otherwise World Junior will lose its status.....sad...

[huangkwokhau]

any profile for Long Chen?
who is he?
he seems to be unbeatable? :confused:
He is the future of Lin Dan........;) hope that he wont end up like Gong Wei Jie....

[bic33]

i think chen long could be a better bao chun lai... but his movement and physique doesn't suggest that he'll be an LD... the young LD was very athletic and powerful... while chen long, as of now, mainly relies on his good reach and placing...

[LI De Quan]

any profile for Long Chen?
who is he?
he seems to be unbeatable? :confused:

Badminton Asia Junior Championships 2007 Winner
2007 Australian Olympic Youth Festival Winner

1989-01-18
189cm,79kg
Xiamen,Fujian Province,China
Coach:JI Xinpeng

[LI De Quan]

Some pictures of CHEN Long!!!!

[chemile]

Badminton Asia Junior Championships 2007 Winner
2007 Australian Olympic Youth Festival Winner

1989-01-18
189cm,79kg
Xiamen,Fujian Province,China
Coach:JI Xinpeng

Wowww.... he is so big and tall.. I think he is promising player to replace Lin Dan....

[george@chongwei]

Arif Latif is so short in that pic..

[huangkwokhau]

Chen Long looks like a bit of Chen Jin

[dannyang]

Chen Long looks like a bit of Chen Jin

thank you for your info

ha, i thought Li de quan posted pictures of CJ.

and thanks Li de quan for the pic

[tommy_bun]

Just check the results...
Adcock/White beat Dilly/Ulinuha 21-12,21-13
Baek/Yoo beat Khalid/Goh 18-21,21-16,21-16
Afiat/debby beat Jongjit/Rodjana 21-9,23-21

[CLELY]

Badminton Asia Junior Championships 2007 Winner
2007 Australian Olympic Youth Festival Winner

1989-01-18
189cm,79kg
Xiamen,Fujian Province,China
Coach:JI Xinpeng

Hmm, this young man is very tall based on his age! Yeah, he is one of CHN future star (maybe for London 2012 project), coming from same province with LD and his coach is Olympic Champion, probably good prospect for him.

Looking at the above pix, seems Chen Long is friendly person...

Back to this tournament result -- mix fortune for INA XD, Afiat/Debby win over Thai pair, meanwhile Ulinuha/Dili give up to Britons Adcock/White.

[huangkwokhau]

Kenichi Tago just beat Arif 21-14,21-18.....

[huangkwokhau]

No more INA MS in semi...both lost to chinese taipeh and China...sad...

[huangkwokhau]

China does not have any representative in XD while INA does not have one either in BS..

[hcyong]

Good mix of nationalities in the XD semi-finals: MAS, INA, KOR, ENG

No CHN which is a bit of a surprise, given their strong WD players.

[Krisna]

Aha, the old-badminton-world order has been restored in XD... Ha ha ha...

[Yojimbo]

Arif lost already??? WAHHHHHH......so sad.......

[Yojimbo]

No livescore for the WJC?

[Loh]

Kenichi Tago just beat Arif 21-14,21-18.....

And this is the man that Chen Long will have to contend with, most possibly in the final! ;)

[CLELY]

I guess, also no WS semifinal ticket for INA after Maria Febe lost to SIN Gu Juan and seems slim chance for Pia to win over CHN Liu Xin.

[Yojimbo]

Why did Arif lose?? Was it because Kenichi Tago was better or Arif's injury??

[Loh]

I guess, also no WS semifinal ticket for INA after Maria Febe lost to SIN Gu Juan and seems slim chance for Pia to win over CHN Liu Xin.

Some consolation for Singapore with only one sole survivor thus far! Can only suggest to Gu Juan to do her best! ;)

[Yojimbo]

I guess, also no WS semifinal ticket for INA after Maria Febe lost to SIN Gu Juan and seems slim chance for Pia to win over CHN Liu Xin.
I feel your pain as Lydia had lost to Wang Lin....but I am more hurt with Arif's defeat....I feel terribly sorry for him :(:crying: Hopefully, he will improve and have a good start in his senior year:o

[Yojimbo]

Some consolation for Singapore with only one sole survivor thus far! Can only suggest to Gu Juan to do her best! ;)
I think Gu Juan has a fighting chance for the title...However, Wang Lin is too strong....but anything can happen, for example...Xing Aiying's loss:p

[Sandy]

INA players in SF

1 win 7 lost :eek: :crying:

hopefully Afiat/Wifqy win to be 2 winnings

[Maz]

Why did Arif lose?? Was it because Kenichi Tago was better or Arif's injury??
tago just played better

[hcyong]

Tago is already blazing trails in the senior circuit. Not as much as Wang Lin, but more than his contemporaries.

[hcyong]

Terrible day for INA (1 for 9) today. Good day for KOR (4 for 5). OK for MAS (4 for 6) and CHN (6 for 9). TPE (2 for 2) and SIN (1 for 1) also have good days.

Only 1 European representative left in the SFs, where else but in the XD.

[winnie]

any pics of lim khim wah-mak hee chun?
n their details? pls.... thx ya

[george@chongwei]

aiya , arif lost oready...
really sad.......

[**KZ**]

hav a feeling that kenichi's going all the way....plus...MAS wil win MD...very big possibility...as much as i want ENG to go through to the final in XD...I think the koreans are too strong...

[Yojimbo]

tago just played better
Oh....thanks for the info.Congrats to Tago...I hope he reaches the finals:o

[Yojimbo]

aiya , arif lost oready...
really sad.......
Wahh...I'm sad too...call me dramatic or emotional but I haven't gotten over his defeat yet:crying: :crying:

[winnie]

aiya , arif lost oready...
really sad.......
i can see tat his movement was kind like not tat smooth
plus today kenichi use different approach tat made arif run around n stretch himself on the court

[winnie]

hav a feeling that kenichi's going all the way....plus...MAS wil win MD...very big possibility...as much as i want ENG to go through to the final in XD...I think the koreans are too strong...
must also be cautious of the chinese MD chai biao n partner

[Krisna]

What?!? INA lost 8 out of 9 today?!? That's atrocious! :crying: Today 45% [9 out of 20] of the matches played involve Indonesians... tomorrow only 10% [1 out of 10]... but maybe in the finals we can recover to 20% [1 out of 5]... ;)

Debby-Alfiat, do your best tomorrow! :D

[Krisna]

As for Arif, well... Tago is better... No surprise lah...

[Yojimbo]

must also be cautious of the chinese MD chai biao n partner
Agreed.No doubt that the Chinese pair is dangerous and our MDs should be wary of them as they are the Asian Junior Champs....

[PlayaFromMalaya]

What?!? INA lost 8 out of 9 today?!? That's atrocious! :crying: Today 45% [9 out of 20] of the matches played involve Indonesians... tomorrow only 10% [1 out of 10]... but maybe in the finals we can recover to 20% [1 out of 5]... ;)

Debby-Alfiat, do your best tomorrow! :D

wrong. finals will be 0% ;)

[LwW^w|n]

However, i still wish Arif the best in his senior career. He has tried his best.

[Yojimbo]

However, i still wish Arif the best in his senior career. He has tried his best.
My thoughts exactly;) It's just the beginning for him....he should believe in himself and try his very best:D Go Arif!!!

[erin_hakkinen]

However, i still wish Arif the best in his senior career. He has tried his best.

Yeah Arif! You tried your best. All the best in your senior career.

So many Satellites and Super Series to be won!! :D

Jiayou!

[LwW^w|n]

yayaya! the same for lim fang yang, teo kok siang and vountus too. They r MAS ms future playrs!

[Yojimbo]

Sorry posted twice....

[Yojimbo]

yayaya! the same for lim fang yang, teo kok siang and vountus too. They r MAS ms future playrs!
Yesss....they have my trust and support:D I love all of our juniors!:)

[Krisna]

wrong. finals will be 0% ;)

THAT :mad:... is a possibility... :p :o Ha ha ha...

[Yojimbo]

That's ok..Krisna...believe in the INA players..!!!

[avataar]

Disclaimer: Due to the difficulty in seeding juniors, it is probable that some strong players will meet each other in the early rounds, thus eliminating players that, strength-wise, should make QF or SF.

I think BWF should have a World Ranking for juniors. Any results from junior and senior tournaments should provide ranking points for a junior. Then, we won't have all these fiasco in the seeding procedure.

This was an article on the BWF website on the seedings issue -

KLRC-BWF WORLD JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIPS 2007

Teams want an end to seeding woes

28 October 2007


THE World Junior Championships is at risk of losing its stature and credibility if efforts are not taken immediately to formulate proper seeding criteria to rank players for future tournaments.


Expressing their dissatisfaction at the criteria used at this year’s ongoing World Junior Championships in Auckland, New Zealand, several team managers and coaches said it was time the Badminton World Federation took a hard look at improving the seeding criteria.

Team officials from China, England, Germany, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Netherlands, New Zealand and Singapore made the appeal to the BWF following the release of the individual draw on Friday.

While the seeding report came under the microscope, it was also pointed out that the national ranking separation was not observed for several countries in the draw for the boy’s and girl’s singles.

Tournament referee Chua Soo Hock agreed for a re-draw and it was conducted (only for the two categories) on Sunday.
While the officials acknowledged that it was difficult to come up with a flawless system, the present method of seeding players, they believed, left much to be desired.

For the ongoing championships, the players were seeded based on the combination of feedback and recommendation from Continental Confederations, the Continental junior championships for the year, the 2006 world junior championships and world rankings.

England’s Martin Andrew expressed concern that some teams may not compete in future tournaments if the problems that plague the seeding and draw persist. “We seem to speak about it (the problems and criteria) every year but to date, nothing has been done,” said Andrew. “In the team event, we lose one tie and we are out of the top eight. But we all come into the tournament knowing that this is the system.
“But for the individual events, the criteria are vague. Everybody knows that China have a powerful women’s squad, but their doubles pairs are not even seeded in this tournament. It is common-sense that they should be seeded.”
Some of the examples given were the fact that China’s 2007 Asian Junior Championships semi-finalists in the mixed doubles Chai Biao-Xie Jing were not in the seeding list. However, pairs from Puerto Rico, New Zealand and Australia were seeded.

It was also pointed out that while Indonesia’s Asian Junior Championships girl’s doubles gold medallist were requested to be seeded ahead of Korea’s Yoo Hyun Young-Jung Kyung Eun, the same logic was not used to seed China’s Chen Long, the winner of the boy’s event.
Instead, the top seed in the boy’s singles is Malaysia’s Mohd Arif Abdul Latif, the Asian Junior runner-up.

“We would like the BWF to set a few criteria in order of importance, and our proposal is to use the World Rankings as the main criterion. Any player who is seeded in the top 50 in the world, that ranking should be the first point of reference,” added Andrew.

“Then we propose to take the results of last year’s world junior championships or other notable results followed by current Continental junior championships results.
“Each country should also provide a ranking order for their individual entries and must be ratified by their respective CCs.

“We also hope that a seeding committee, comprising two representatives from each continent must be formed to agree and check on all of the above.”
Germany team manager Thomas Lohwieser said it was time the BWF acted to check the situation.
“We all want to see a fair and good tournament but the way it is being done now, it is difficult to see how,” said Lohwieser.

“Some of the countries have travelled a long way to compete. All we ask is for the Federation to lay down fair ground rules so that everyone is aware of them and it is transparent.”

[eek!oh!]

Well, even this proud Kiwi would agree that Delius & Kritteka shouldn't have been seeded - they don't even play together regularly. & the Puerto Rican pr were beaten by an Australian/American combination that presumably had never even met before. ( Iguess Maz could confirm that :p)
Maybe whoever does the seedings could watch the team events & then do the seedings? That would be unfair on those who only do the individuals, but it would have to be better than the present system.

[george@chongwei]

http://www.badzine.info/images/stories/News/GU.Juan-09-SIN-YL-SingaporeOpen2006.jpgChina placed two semi-finalists in each singles competition with Chen Long and Wang Lin looking unbeatable. Even more so than last year, the field is fairly diverse even going into the final four. Only two all-nation finals are possible and, of those, only an all-Chinese girls' singles final looks likely. Korea and Malaysia each still have a chance to take all three doubles titles but Asian Champions Li Tian and Chai Biao, as the tournament's only remaining top seeds are determined to help China double its gold take from last year to four.

By Don Hearn. Photos: Lynne Scutt (Live) and Badmintonphoto (Archives)


Chen Long and Wang Lin both powered through their matches today with relative ease. Wang Lin steamrolled over Kurihara Ayane of Japan 21-10, 21-10 while Chen had none of the problems he'd had with opponent Park Sung Min's compatriot on Tuesday and beat Park almost as easily as on Sunday 21-8, 21-17. Chen will face compatriot Gao Huan tomorrow.

The main threats to Chinese dominance in the singles events come from Tago Kenichi of Japan in the boys' event and Gu Juan of Singapore (pictured) in the girls'. 2006 Asian Junior Champion Tago dispatched Mohd Arif Abdul Latif in a repeat of last year's AJC semi-final and Tago will take on Chinese Taipei's Lu Chi Yuan tomorrow. Arif looked to be slowed down somewhat by the injury he sustained earlier in the tournament and could not manage to take revenge for his homecourt defeat last summer.

Asian Junior Championship finalists Gu Juan and Liu Xin together finished off the last of Indonesia's hopes in singles and would be on a collision course for a repeat of their final from Kuala Lumpur except that both have their work cut out for them in the semi-finals. Gu must get past the mighty Wang Lin while Liu Xin has a different rematch to contend with first as Bae Youn Joo, Korea's sole surviving singles specialist, will be looking to avenge her loss to Liu in the quarter-finals in KL.

http://www.badzine.info/images/stories/News/lim%20-%20mak%20-%20klrc%20wjc%202007.jpgQuadruple-Double in Doubles Semis

A total of 11 players were involved in two doubles matches each today. Of those, 4 remain as Malaysia's Lim Khim Wah / Ng Hui Lin and Korea's Shin Baek Cheol / Yoo Hyun Young both reached the semis in mixed doubles and all four also reached a second doubles semi-final with their respective partners. Shin had the toughest time of them all as he and Yoo dropped their first game against Malaysians Abdul Khalid/Goh before coming back to win 18-21, 21-16, 21-16. Then later, he and Chung Eui Seok faced two match points against Zhang/Qiu of China before rallying to win the second game 25-23. They went on to win in three games. Tomorrow, Baek/Chung will face second seeds Lim Khim Wah / Mak Hee Chun (pictured), who had slightly less trouble with Wirawan/Windarto of Indonesia.

Lim/Mak will attempt to set up an all-Malaysian final in boys' doubles; however, if Shin and Chung are not a formidable enough roadblock to that eventuality, then consider the fact that their compatriots, Ong Jien Guo / Goh Wei Shem must face top seeds and Asian Junior Champions Li Tian / Chai Biao in the other semi-final. Li and Chai are the only top seeds remaining in any of the draws and, although they narrowly lost their first game against Sonoda/Kamura of Japan, they still needed only 47 minutes to win in three games and advance.

Girls' doubles top seeds Puspita Richi Dili / Debby Susanto of Indonesia fought hard for 50 minutes but still yielded to China's Xie/Zhong 22-20, 23-21. Meanwhile, Indonesia's doubles hopes rest with mixed since Yoo and Jung Kyung-eun had little trouble beating Hendarni Reni Rosi / Krishabella (Cj) and assuring Yoo of her second medal. The same went for Ng Hui Lin, who booked her spot in the semis while denying England's Gabrielle White the same opportunity. Ng and partner Goh Liu Ying trounced White and Samantha Ward 21-10, 21-10.

[george@chongwei]

does anyone knows what raquet is Gu Juan of Singapore using?:confused:

[Maz]

Well, even this proud Kiwi would agree that Delius & Kritteka shouldn't have been seeded - they don't even play together regularly. & the Puerto Rican pr were beaten by an Australian/American combination that presumably had never even met before. ( Iguess Maz could confirm that :p)
Maybe whoever does the seedings could watch the team events & then do the seedings? That would be unfair on those who only do the individuals, but it would have to be better than the present system.
the seedings were controversial indeed. it was a combination of world rankings and asian/continental junior championships. so messy, but I think these things will continue to happen since the system is not perfect - and yes, the aus/usa pair was a scratch pair.