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kkkfans
11-02-2007, 10:35 PM
why they can lose to japan player again?

abedeng
11-02-2007, 10:40 PM
Probably a combination of tiredness and lack of composure at critical moments. At least they went down fighting.

suetyan
11-02-2007, 11:00 PM
maybe Japanese players are the one can restrain them from winning any title anymore in this year :p WC and now French Open, two times being beaten by Japanese ;)

clearng
11-02-2007, 11:12 PM
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrr

I cannot wait until the next these 2 pair meeting again


must

REVENGE

alfa-2
11-02-2007, 11:18 PM
JINX ON MD PAIRS
kkk/tbh keeps on losing to japanese pairs
(park joo bong has found a way to beat MAS top pair)

lww/ctf keeps on losing to unknown pairs
(underestimate unknown pairs)

mk/hs keeps on losing to kkk/tbh
(haven't found a way to stop kkk, maybe they should call PJB)

cy/fhf keeps on losing to old pairs
(they have respect for old men):D:D:D

what's wrong with all of them???

sweetlover
11-02-2007, 11:32 PM
nothings happened to them...
it's just a time for them to lose...:D
sometimes it's no good if alwayz being a winner...
up n down...:)
just wait for the next tournement n it must be REVENGE....:)


kkk-tbh n all malaysians player....
i'll alwayz behind u guyz no matter what...!!!;)

sweetlover
11-02-2007, 11:34 PM
JINX ON MD PAIRS
kkk/tbh keeps on losing to japanese pairs
(park joo bong has found a way to beat MAS top pair)

lww/ctf keeps on losing to unknown pairs
(underestimate unknown pairs)

mk/hs keeps on losing to kkk/tbh
(haven't found a way to stop kkk, maybe they should call PJB)

cy/fhf keeps on losing to old pairs
(they have respect for old men):D:D:D

what's wrong with all of them???

can we call it KARMA:confused::D

zqloy
11-02-2007, 11:42 PM
They r still not good enough yet. Still hv much more to learn.

yuqiu
11-02-2007, 11:44 PM
一物治一物. There is always one thing to conquer another; everything has its vanquisher. :)

sweetlover
11-02-2007, 11:48 PM
They r still not good enough yet. Still hv much more to learn.
no doubt...!!!
but now ther r tremendous...:)

carine
11-02-2007, 11:49 PM
or mayb Koo not yet recover yet

sweetlover
11-03-2007, 12:02 AM
it could be one of the reasons...:)

ants
11-03-2007, 12:35 AM
Koo and TBH played well yesterday. But The Japanese was better and faster than them. Speed was the answer and the Msian pair couldnt cope with the Japanese in the final stages. There were many errors as well. The Japanese pair was able to answer back every shot that was aimed to them by KKK/TBH.
Its was unfortunate that Koo/Tan lost. But i guess Park JB had the answer for his players on how to play them. It was a close game.. anyway its a good consolation that Koo and Tan won in Denmark. And all credit to the Japanese pair and Coach Park.

samuel882
11-03-2007, 01:06 AM
Koo and TBH played well yesterday. But The Japanese was better and faster than them. Speed was the answer and the Msian pair couldnt cope with the Japanese in the final stages. There were many errors as well. The Japanese pair was able to answer back every shot that was aimed to them by KKK/TBH.
Its was unfortunate that Koo/Tan lost. But i guess Park JB had the answer for his players on how to play them. It was a close game.. anyway its a good consolation that Koo and Tan won in Denmark. And all credit to the Japanese pair and Coach Park.
Park & Tan KH certainly were the ex MAS coaches which know our players very well... Koo/Tan must improve on their game... Too many unforced errors, even though during the games which they've won, the stats of their errors was abit too much.. I noticed that Koo/Tan smashes were not as sharp before :rolleyes: Hopes you or fastdrop or anyone in the stadium could elaborate...

ants
11-03-2007, 02:25 AM
Tan smashes have "chau sui" a little. Maybe he still have some slight shoulder problem which he had since before the WC. But please dont make this a big issue. However TBH has been performing well in other aspects of his game. Koo is still good at the net.. but can be improved. There is also some draft in the stadium where the players had some slight miscalculation.

sweetlover
11-03-2007, 02:28 AM
Tan smashes have "chau sui" a little. Maybe he still have some slight shoulder problem which he had since before the WC. But please dont make this a big issue. However TBH has been performing well in other aspects of his game. Koo is still good at the net.. but can be improved. There is also some draft in the stadium where the players had some slight miscalculation.
oooooo....
pity boon heong...:(
hope his shoulder get well soon...:)

Louisa
11-03-2007, 02:30 AM
this is just another day of competition....give them a rest, n roar higher in next tourny

zqloy
11-03-2007, 02:34 AM
Tan smashes have "chau sui" a little. Maybe he still have some slight shoulder problem which he had since before the WC. But please dont make this a big issue. However TBH has been performing well in other aspects of his game. Koo is still good at the net.. but can be improved. There is also some draft in the stadium where the players had some slight miscalculation.

Hope KKK/TBH wont be too dejected by the loss. There is much more to be improve to be a top pair.

damouse
11-03-2007, 02:34 AM
Winning and losing is all part of the game. No matter how good you are, someone is bound to be better than you on any given day. I think it's just a matter of fact that the Japanese pair are probably having a better day than Koo/Tan yesterday and unfortunately they had ways to overcome the Malaysian pair. Maybe Koo/Tan was underperforming, who knows?

Koo/Tan may be world #1 - but they ARE still, a pair that has been playing together for slightly over a year. AND not to mention that they are young and not as experienced as most pairs - in terms of both age and playing time. There's still loads for them to learn and there's still loads of room of improvement. I think this setback is not a huge one for them - but they do need to overcome the psychological factor in playing against Japanese pairs in the future. As long as they don't it bother them too much, they can always bounce back...and I'm sure they will.

sweetlover
11-03-2007, 02:36 AM
Hope KKK/TBH wont be too dejected by the loss. There is much more to be improve to be a top pair.
yup...
this is not the end...:)
they still have the power but unfortunately luck was'nt with them yesterday...

robin7
11-03-2007, 02:38 AM
一物治一物. There is always one thing to conquer another; everything has its vanquisher. :)
That's explains the whole thing. Even Roger Federer was beaten twice by David Nalbandian within 3 weeks. Nalbandian Beats Federer Again (http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2007news/paris_thursday2.asp)

zqloy
11-03-2007, 02:47 AM
That's explains the whole thing. Even Roger Federer was beaten twice by David Nalbandian within 3 weeks. Nalbandian Beats Federer Again (http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2007news/paris_thursday2.asp)

Nalby is 1 hell of a player! Gave me a big heartache for trashing Nadal in Madrid :crying::o

jasonmarc
11-03-2007, 03:04 AM
They have performed very well ....after wining 2 titles in a row....i m sure they will revenge the JAP pairs.......in coming tournament.....

ants
11-03-2007, 03:06 AM
Hope KKK/TBH wont be too dejected by the loss. There is much more to be improve to be a top pair.

They were dissapointed by the lost. It was close. And that lost was a 2nd lost to a Japanese team. Nothing against Japanese.. its just that it kinda remind them of the WC lost to whom its also a Japanese pair. They are ok about it.. and looking foward to go back to Malaysia. At least consolation for them is to buy cheap LVs to mend their broken heart.

xymaerts
11-03-2007, 03:14 AM
I think Japan's style of play curse/clash with the style of play of KKK/TBH. Not many top pair in the world had beaten them..

jasonmarc
11-03-2007, 03:19 AM
The same Jap pair who beat LWW/CTF in recent JO...so LWW/CTF will have to be carefull tonight....and to have revenge for their JO defeat and to revenge for MAS team......

vching
11-03-2007, 03:21 AM
omg Nalbandian beats Federer AGAIN???

kenny7_2006
11-03-2007, 04:05 AM
did anyone here watch KKK-TBH play this morning?? how did they play, and lose?? well, at least they got the Denmark Open, the more prestigious one... hehe...

nearly choked when i saw that they lost to a Japanese pair again, but i knew that Keita and Tadashi were no pushovers... seen them, ad they were good...

ben95
11-03-2007, 04:49 AM
Tan smashes have "chau sui" a little. Maybe he still have some slight shoulder problem which he had since before the WC. But please dont make this a big issue. However TBH has been performing well in other aspects of his game. Koo is still good at the net.. but can be improved. There is also some draft in the stadium where the players had some slight miscalculation.

I had the same feelings with MK. In the earlier round, HS was more attacking than him. It surprised me a lot. Hope he isn't injured.

eaglehelang
11-03-2007, 04:50 AM
They were dissapointed by the lost. It was close. And that lost was a 2nd lost to a Japanese team. Nothing against Japanese.. its just that it kinda remind them of the WC lost to whom its also a Japanese pair. They are ok about it.. and looking foward to go back to Malaysia. At least consolation for them is to buy cheap LVs to mend their broken heart.

And to cheer CTF/LWW in the match against the same Japanese pair. Hopefully the 2 veterans can rise up to the occasion.
Hopefully, KKK/TBH can recover enuf and improve for next 2 SS.

Jinky
11-03-2007, 04:56 AM
well...they just cant win all the time so they will be humble...

sweetlover
11-03-2007, 04:58 AM
well...they just cant win all the time so they will be humble...
yup...
i agree with u...!!!:)

stucken
11-03-2007, 11:07 AM
The match yesterday was fantastic. Both the MAS and JAP pair were enjoying the match yesterday. The MAS pair really are good all round but it wnet wrong after some controversy in the third set from the JAP pair. They argued that a shot that went via the top of the net didnt went over the net but stayed a t side of the MAS pair. I couldnt see if that was the case. But the service judge or the judge should have payed attention. The MAS pair did get the point but after that 5 min controversy they lost the match, so I think they were mentally not 100% because they lost almost every point after that. But masuda from japan really has a big smash. I can still hear that sound haha. Great match to watch for the fans

Natrificial
11-03-2007, 12:32 PM
if this article on badzine is to be believed:
http://www.badzine.info/content/view/658/2/

it seems classless and unsporting on the part of TBH/KKK to see that a shuttle didn't cross the net... toss the bird back to the japanese and then keep their mouths shut when the ref makes a big mistake.

if thats true.. they dont deserve to win.. and they aren't any sort of heroes... what kind of olympic attitude is that? win by any means? this is not a line call where it could be both ways... if it didn't go over it didn't go over... its black and white... its unethical and dishonest... shameful

Small Fart
11-03-2007, 01:12 PM
I think most player will not confront the umpire for the mistake they've done on court. So can't really blame KKK-TBH for keeping quiet. It take lotsa guts to tell the umpire that his decision is wrong. Even the service judge dare not to say anything at all. Sometimes a great match can be spoilt by a silly mistake make by the umpire or the service and even the linesman.

Syaoran_Style
11-03-2007, 01:22 PM
The japanese played really well yesterday, i was so happy they won, they deserved it, Koo and Tan were just not fair play at all ... during one point, when keita smashed, the shuttle stuck onto the net, and went to Koo and tan's side. but the umpire didn't see it, so he thought it was a point for Koo and Tan, but all the crowd saw that, and moreover Koo and Tan clearly saw it .. and in France, fair play is something that has a big importance. SO the crowd expected koo and tan to say it to the umpire but they didn't ... then all the crowd were against' the malaysian. That's why for me the japanese deserved to win =)

fastdrop
11-03-2007, 04:44 PM
if this article on badzine is to be believed:
http://www.badzine.info/content/view/658/2/

it seems classless and unsporting on the part of TBH/KKK to see that a shuttle didn't cross the net... toss the bird back to the japanese and then keep their mouths shut when the ref makes a big mistake.

if thats true.. they dont deserve to win.. and they aren't any sort of heroes... what kind of olympic attitude is that? win by any means? this is not a line call where it could be both ways... if it didn't go over it didn't go over... its black and white... its unethical and dishonest... shameful

I beg to disagree with what you said. The umpire gave the point to the Malaysian. The umpire is the only person who controls the score. The Japanese protested and the crowd backed them up. Instead of rectifying his error, the umpire stood on his belief that shuttle went the other side. The Japanese pair even got a yellow card for complaining. The Malaysian never argued that the shuttle went the other side. They can't complain because they are not the aggrieved party. Unless they also want a yellow card. The crowd knew what happened and never blame it to the Malaysian pair. If a line judge made a wrong call, it can be reversed by the umpire. Now, the umpire made a clear error, can the players (any one of them) correct the umpire?
As a matter of fact, the referee intervened but the umpire stood by what he imagined to have seen.:rolleyes:

alfa-2
11-03-2007, 05:02 PM
I beg to disagree with what you said. The umpire gave the point to the Malaysian. The umpire is the only person who controls the score. The Japanese protested and the crowd backed them up. Instead of rectifying his error, the umpire stood on his belief that shuttle went the other side. The Japanese pair even got a yellow card for complaining. The Malaysian never argued that the shuttle went the other side. They can't complain because they are not the aggrieved party. Unless they also want a yellow card. The crowd knew what happened and never blame it to the Malaysian pair. If a line judge made a wrong call, it can be reversed by the umpire. Now, the umpire made a clear error, can the players (any one of them) correct the umpire?
As a matter of fact, the referee intervened but the umpire stood by what he imagined to have seen.:rolleyes:

too much M.night syamalan movie i suppose.......:D:D:D

flymordecai
11-03-2007, 05:34 PM
I beg to disagree with what you said. The umpire gave the point to the Malaysian. The umpire is the only person who controls the score. The Japanese protested and the crowd backed them up. Instead of rectifying his error, the umpire stood on his belief that shuttle went the other side. The Japanese pair even got a yellow card for complaining. The Malaysian never argued that the shuttle went the other side. They can't complain because they are not the aggrieved party. Unless they also want a yellow card. The crowd knew what happened and never blame it to the Malaysian pair. If a line judge made a wrong call, it can be reversed by the umpire. Now, the umpire made a clear error, can the players (any one of them) correct the umpire?
As a matter of fact, the referee intervened but the umpire stood by what he imagined to have seen.:rolleyes:

But it would have been good sportsmanship to at least acknowledge to the umpire that it really did fail to cross over. It's just a lack of class to not even admit to it. So you're saying it's ok to stay quiet because they benefitted from it?

The French saw that something wrong took place and cheered the Japanese on. It reminded me of watching the tough French crowd in the French Open (tennis) where they even sometimes boo players if they are showing bad sportsmanship.

Natrificial
11-03-2007, 06:49 PM
I beg to disagree with what you said. The umpire gave the point to the Malaysian. The umpire is the only person who controls the score. The Japanese protested and the crowd backed them up. Instead of rectifying his error, the umpire stood on his belief that shuttle went the other side. The Japanese pair even got a yellow card for complaining. The Malaysian never argued that the shuttle went the other side. They can't complain because they are not the aggrieved party. Unless they also want a yellow card. The crowd knew what happened and never blame it to the Malaysian pair. If a line judge made a wrong call, it can be reversed by the umpire. Now, the umpire made a clear error, can the players (any one of them) correct the umpire?
As a matter of fact, the referee intervened but the umpire stood by what he imagined to have seen.:rolleyes:

Doesn't matter that KKK/TBH weren't the aggrieved parties... they should have politely asked the ref to give the point to the japanese because they clearly saw what happened and i'd bet my life that they won't be given a card for asking... that would have been the right and decent thing to do. If the ref still maintains his position even after the malaysians asked for the point to be given to the rightful team, then the ref is nuts and KKK/TBH can't be faulted.

For example:
"the French Open a few years ago, when two Spaniards who were also friends faced each other in the finals. Neither had ever won a Grand Slam tournament. Carlos Moya won the first set and had broken Alex Corretja's serve once in the second. He was serving, however, and was behind in that game. Moya hit a powerful serve that was called out. If the call stood, it would have given Corretja the game and evened up the score. But Corretja overruled the linesman, giving the crucial point to Moya. The game went back to deuce and Moya eventually won. Steve was so impressed that he has rooted for Corretja whenever he plays.

In another case, Andre Agassi was playing in a major tournament and was scheduled to meet Pete Sampras in the final. Sampras, however, came down with food poisoning and could not get himself together before the time of the match. Agassi was told he had won by default. Instead, he suggested waiting to see if Sampras would feel good enough to play a little later. He did, they played the match, and Sampras won. This experience confirmed Steve's belief that both are great sportsmen and exemplary champions."

from: http://www.ethics.org/resources/articles-organizational-ethics.asp?aid=826

ye333
11-03-2007, 06:55 PM
I think KKK/TBH didn't show great sportsmanship, but on the other hand they didn't do any very bad thing either. :cool:

Doesn't matter that KKK/TBH weren't the aggrieved parties... they should have politely asked the ref to give the point to the japanese because they clearly saw what happened and i'd bet my life that they won't be given a card for asking... that would have been the right and decent thing to do.

For example:
"the French Open a few years ago, when two Spaniards who were also friends faced each other in the finals. Neither had ever won a Grand Slam tournament. Carlos Moya won the first set and had broken Alex Corretja's serve once in the second. He was serving, however, and was behind in that game. Moya hit a powerful serve that was called out. If the call stood, it would have given Corretja the game and evened up the score. But Corretja overruled the linesman, giving the crucial point to Moya. The game went back to deuce and Moya eventually won. Steve was so impressed that he has rooted for Corretja whenever he plays.

In another case, Andre Agassi was playing in a major tournament and was scheduled to meet Pete Sampras in the final. Sampras, however, came down with food poisoning and could not get himself together before the time of the match. Agassi was told he had won by default. Instead, he suggested waiting to see if Sampras would feel good enough to play a little later. He did, they played the match, and Sampras won. This experience confirmed Steve's belief that both are great sportsmen and exemplary champions."

from: http://www.ethics.org/resources/articles-organizational-ethics.asp?aid=826

kungfukid
11-03-2007, 06:59 PM
But it would have been good sportsmanship to at least acknowledge to the umpire that it really did fail to cross over. It's just a lack of class to not even admit to it. So you're saying it's ok to stay quiet because they benefitted from it?

The French saw that something wrong took place and cheered the Japanese on. It reminded me of watching the tough French crowd in the French Open (tennis) where they even sometimes boo players if they are showing bad sportsmanship.

I'm not sure if u have seen the details. KKK did give back the shuttle to japanese pair right after the play. But i don't know how, the umpire n even the service judge (umpire demanded the service judge's point of view)considered that the shuttle had fallen into japaneses' side. At this point, i was thinking may be the shuttle did fall into japaneses' side since i was not as close to the court as those 2 umpires were.

The crowd was somehow moved by Matsuda who reacted emotionally. I found that the crowd somehow sided the japanese pair throughout the match, may be because they considered japanese pair weaker or just simply bcos most frenchs like japaneses(this is a fact). After this incident, the crowd became so hostile to malaysian pair, n this may be one of the reason they lost.(i'm saying may be)

U r saying that french suppoters have good sportsmanship?? i beg your pardon. If u have seen the match between Zhang Ning and Pi Hong Yan today, i wonder if u would still stand firm to this claim. There are at least 2 or 3 bad sideline calls, and when Zhang Ning protested them, the "boo" invaded the whole stadium.

zqloy
11-04-2007, 12:15 AM
The boys didnt show "bad" sportmanship, i saw both of them raised the racket as apology to the japs b4 serving. But though they were silly for not telling the umpire and as a result they hv to play against the crowd.

woodenRacket
11-04-2007, 12:22 AM
why they cannot lose?
sometimes win, sometimes lose, nobody always wins, not a big deal.

Jessica
11-04-2007, 12:35 AM
This is the full article from Badzine...
Once bitten, twice shy? It is not the first time Japan's men’s doubles pair of Tadashi Ohtsuka/Keita Masuda (pictured left) has spoilt Malaysia's party.

Text adapted from French Super Series website. Photos: badmintonphoto (live)

Just 2 months ago at the 2007 World Championship, Malaysia had set themselves a target of dominating the men's doubles semi-finals with 4 Malaysian pairs, but it was this very Japanese pair that ended Malaysia's dream in the first round of the World Championship when they removed Malaysia's 15th seeds Tan Bin Shen/Ong Soon Hock in straight sets.

At the quarter-finals of the 2007 French Super Series, Malaysia fell just short to make it a perfect 4 out of 4 when their world number 1 men's doubles pair of Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong was ousted by Ohtsuka/Masuda (pictured) in one of the most bewildering tiebreaker match, while their 3 other quarter-finalists Lee Chong Wei, Wong Mew Choo and veteran men's doubles pair of Lee Wan Wah/Choong Tan Fook upset reigning world champions to book semi-finalists' berths.

The world title-bound Koo/Tan was also stunned by an unheralded Japanese pair of Shuichi Sakamoto/Shintaro Ikeda in the quarterfinals of the World Championship. In Paris, Ohtsuka/Masuda denied Koo/Tan of a superior first set, as they staged a courageous comeback to remove the Malaysians 16-21, 21-18, 21-18. The score line, however, does not reveal the drama of the match.

In the tiebreaker, the Japanese have taken the halftime lead at 11-8 when Tan's drop shot hit the tape of net and fell back onto their side, which would have extended the Japanese's lead to 12-8

It was clear from the spectator stands even, that all 4 players knew the Japanese won the point as Tan apologised to Koo for his mistake and returned the shuttle to the Japanese. The umpire, however, had other ideas.

Malaysia's Mysterious Moment

The umpire insisted to the Japanese that the shot had gone over and the Malaysians had gained a mysterious point, so it was service over to the Malaysians 9-11. The Japanese went berserk by the obvious judgment error, especially Masuda, who picked up the shuttle and repeatedly demonstrated to the umpire how the shuttle had not gone over the tape.

The spectators, who were equally bewildered by the umpire's decision and insistence, began jeering at the umpire as Masuda himself also began rallying for the public's support.

Park was visibly upset by the incident and walked over to the referees' table but to no avail as no one at the table had seen what happened. Park also attempted to appeal to the Malaysian boys to react to the situation.

The Malaysians, however, chose to look away from both the Japanese's and Park's appeals and not refute the umpire's obvious mistake either, which proved to be an unwise gesture on their part, as the Malaysians then made themselves the public's enemy for the rest of the match.

The 3000-strong crowd would unanimously jeered whenever the Malaysians gained a point while the decibel level of cheers for the Japanese easily multiplied by ten-fold, and that was a psychological boost for the Japanese while psychologically damaging for the Malaysians. Tan eventually returned a flicked-serve awkwardly into the net and conceded the dramatic game to the Japanese.

"I wanted to get the public's cheering so that the umpire will stop making mistakes!" said the very jovial and comedic Keita, who has had a superb run in Paris with partner Tadashi from the first round when they scalped the 8th seed Danish pair of Lars Paakse/Jonas Rasmussen.
"I didn't expect them to win today, but their performances against Denmark and Indonesia were very good, so my advice for them was to continue to play at their best and concentrate on the defense", said Park on his thoughts of his players, whose defensive play is in a class of their own.

Park continued on his thoughts about the umpire's blonde moment, "I went to the referees' table but they didn't see the point so they couldn't go to the umpire and I think there is a rule that says that the umpire's decision is final.

"I think maybe the umpire forgot that the shuttle didn't go over, as the boys asked for a shuttle change after the rally, so there was a break between the point and the next.

"My boys also spoke to the service judge who knew that the shot didn't go over, but the service judge kept quiet, if he had gone over to speak to the umpire, it could make a difference.

"I was worried about my players, whether they could stay mentally calm and play normally, but the spectators support helped. Keita likes spectators' support, he feels he can play better.

"And for the Malaysians, maybe they had more pressure as they are the top players but for us, win or lose doesn't matter, just good performance".

In the semi-final, Ohtsuka/Masuda will play Malaysia's number 2 pair Lee Wan Wah/Choong Tan Fook (pictured right), who disposed of the reigning 2007 world champions Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan of Indonesia in an equally thrilling tiebreaker quarter-final's match 21-10, 20-22, 21-17. The Malaysian seniors will be looking forward to avenge for their a decade younger compatriots.

fastdrop
11-04-2007, 03:27 AM
But it would have been good sportsmanship to at least acknowledge to the umpire that it really did fail to cross over. It's just a lack of class to not even admit to it. So you're saying it's ok to stay quiet because they benefitted from it?

The French saw that something wrong took place and cheered the Japanese on. It reminded me of watching the tough French crowd in the French Open (tennis) where they even sometimes boo players if they are showing bad sportsmanship.

I do not know if the players are allowed to do that if they are not the aggrieved party. I believe the proper party to complain will the the Japanese pair and they did and got a yellow card. If I remember it right, the Malaysian toss the shuttle to the other side for the service. Both pairs were surprised when the point went to the Malaysian and the umpire ask the Malaysian to do the serve.
The crowd rallied behind Japanese not because the Malaysian cheated. They want to make it known to the umpire he made a wrong judgment. Even the Japanese pair was not angry with the Malaysian pair, it's the umpire's call.
You want to know more ? The shuttle drop that did not cross the net was made on the umpire side of the court.:mad::mad::mad:

Natrificial
11-04-2007, 03:49 AM
i think u've established that its the umpire's final call, no one disagrees with that.
sporting players would have politely told the umpire it was blatantly the japanese point, otherwise they are silently endorsing something they know to be false, they are lying to themselves and to everyone in the stadium

turning a blind eye to the obvious truth for your own advantage is not sportsmanlike

eaglehelang
11-04-2007, 04:09 AM
ok, ok. A BCer who goes by the nick of Loopy have kindly taped and uploaded this game between KKK/TBH and Masuda/Ostsuka. Everybody can download see and see for yourselves what happened.

As someone else has said, KKK/TBH were just as much effected by the incident, losing 5 points that cause them to lose the match. Being a young pair, most probably they also didnt know what to do in that situation.

eaglehelang
11-04-2007, 04:13 AM
I do not know if the players are allowed to do that if they are not the aggrieved party. I believe the proper party to complain will the the Japanese pair and they did and got a yellow card. If I remember it right, the Malaysian toss the shuttle to the other side for the service. Both pairs were surprised when the point went to the Malaysian and the umpire ask the Malaysian to do the serve.
The crowd rallied behind Japanese not because the Malaysian cheated. They want to make it known to the umpire he made a wrong judgment. Even the Japanese pair was not angry with the Malaysian pair, it's the umpire's call.
You want to know more ? The shuttle drop that did not cross the net was made on the umpire side of the court.:mad::mad::mad:

Fastdrop, fastdrop, calm down. And thank you for supporting our young Malaysian pair (read =young).

Why don't you or Ants go ask KKK or TBH on their take of what happened? Or the assistant coach Pang. If TBH, high possibility he also blur, blur.

Loopy
11-04-2007, 04:21 AM
Looking back frame by frame at the video, the shuttle didn't cross the court. Even though it is hard to see, the shuttle doesn't react as if it went over the other side. Instead, the shuttle lands just behind the tape, makes a roll on top, but doesn't have enough power to go over and falls back.
If the spectators couldn't see well, the only players who could see it extremely well were Keita Masuda and Kien Keat Koo. They both acted as the shuttle never crossed the line.

One thing all of you should know is that all the players, japanese and malaysians, did not show any bad sportsmanship. On the contrary, they were very gentlemen.

The crowd never boo the malaysians. They only boo the referee.
When the japs made a point, the crowd went crazy wild. When the malaysians won a point, they applaud, there was good cheering, but less (except from the Malaysian Boleh fans ;) ), but never any booing.

At the end of the match, the referee got the same booing treatment from the crowd.

rexymania
11-04-2007, 05:02 AM
it call a yoyo.......................................hahahaa

s1nn3r
11-04-2007, 05:05 AM
I guess the hardest man to be on the court is the referee… if he/she makes any mistake that would be a BIG Story. The referee is not God and he is not perfect and sometimes he do make mistake and I think he did a good job. He only make one mistake in the whole match while the players make a lot of mistake :).

huangkwokhau
11-04-2007, 06:29 AM
It is the time that we need Hawk's eyes like in tennis....this will solve the dispute...Believe me that Super Series tournaments is the trial for BWF...many things to be fixed, from prize money distribution, qualifying points( all get same points if you cant make to main draw, it is not wise), no more 32 round qualifying in a day,qualifiers placement ( prefer to be placed randomly,not known from beginning), etc...these are some examples that BWF has to make adjustments....I had a long talk with them about these issues...they may make some changes after Olympic ( I do not know why, nopt beginninf of the year)....

Darien
11-04-2007, 07:26 AM
INCONSISTENCY and UNSPORTMANSHIP...
disappointed with them!

jamesd20
11-04-2007, 07:49 AM
cy/fhf keeps on losing to old pairs
(they have respect for old men):D:D:D


Not today seemingly.

extremenanopowe
11-04-2007, 08:18 AM
ai yah. lost already... give and take lah... no one is perfect... well done to the japs and Park Joo Bong. He's still a legend no matter what.

nauyuchi
11-04-2007, 08:32 AM
go kkk/tbh
i am supporting them!!
no matter what happen!!

Pemuda
11-04-2007, 08:54 AM
why they can lose to japan player again?

Win one tournament, head get swell and then lose the next one.

Cheung
11-04-2007, 09:02 AM
Win one tournament, head get swell and then lose the next one.Thread closed because of repeats.