A Classic for LCW

[ye333]

In the same sense as 90 AE is a classic for ZJH, 05 WC is a classic for TH.

[bananakid]

Since when does it become a classic without having to beat the likes of Taufik, Lin Dan... or someone similar??? This is the argument that usually comes from Samuel882.:p

Beating Chan of Hong Kong to get to the semi... :rolleyes: Part of a classic??? You don't mean it like the KFC's classic recipe now, do you?;)

Samuel882 used to say, in order to make it a REAL Championship... someone should face the likes of

1st round. someone like (simon, kenneth)
2nd round. Peter Gade
quarter finals. LCW
Semi finals. Taufik
finals. Lin Dan

[alfa-2]

Since when does it become a classic without having to beat the likes of Taufik, Lin Dan... or someone similar??? This is the argument that usually comes from Samuel882.:p

Beating Chan of Hong Kong to get to the semi... :rolleyes: Part of a classic??? You don't mean it like the KFC's classic recipe now, do you?;)

Samuel882 used to say, in order to make it a REAL Championship... someone should face the likes of

1st round. someone like (simon, kenneth)
2nd round. Peter Gade
quarter finals. LCW
Semi finals. Taufik
finals. Lin Dan

It was really a classic play by LCW. I remembered how Yang Yang, Zhao Jian Hua played back in those days then.;)

[ye333]

You totally misunderstood. :eek: I mean it's a classic match for LCW. Just one match. "Classic" in the sense that it is a must for LCW fans to collect. Just like if you are a ZJH fan, you have to collect AE1990; If you are a TH fan, you have to buy a WC05 DVD. Understand now? :cool:

For LD, I cannot think of one... Maybe AE 06 beating LHI? AG06 is a great victory but LHI made too many simple errors for it to be worth collecting. :cool:

One more way to explain: in my opinion, a classic match for a player is a match that his/her fans could proudly show to other ppl, saying "see! that's how my hero is like when he/she plays his/her best! Total domination! Making world class opponents look like amateurs!"


Since when does it become a classic without having to beat the likes of Taufik, Lin Dan... or someone similar??? This is the argument that usually comes from Samuel882.:p

Beating Chan of Hong Kong to get to the semi... :rolleyes: Part of a classic??? You don't mean it like the KFC's classic recipe now, do you?;)

Samuel882 used to say, in order to make it a REAL Championship... someone should face the likes of

1st round. someone like (simon, kenneth)
2nd round. Peter Gade
quarter finals. LCW
Semi finals. Taufik
finals. Lin Dan

[kungfukid]

I totally agree aith u ye333!! It was a fabulous diaplay by LCW today!!! I was watching the match with both my french frens, n they were so impressed by how LCW played. Chen jin was totally dominated by LCW throughout the whole match. I was waiting for a tough clash after seeing how Chen Jin defeated Peter Gade yesterday, but LCW was just incredible and flawless.

Btw, i was happy to see BCL defeated LD. Finally he did that. His smashes were sharp and it's nice to c him came out from the serie of losing to LD. Can't wait to c the final tomolo opposing BCL n LCW. Too bad can't c it at stadium tomolo.

[MaLaYsIa Boleh!]

wait..
which match do you mean?
LCW vs CYK or LCW vs CJ?

[ye333]

Of course CJ... Don't be too serious with Bananakid... :D


wait..
which match do you mean?
LCW vs CYK or LCW vs CJ?

[Konnichiwa]

he hasnt even won the title yet what is everyone getting so excited about....of course he played well against CJ today but wait until after the title is won :D

[woodenRacket]

to beat a not-in-form CJ becomes a classic?
how CJ lost in such a score is a big ? for me at least

[samuel882]

I agreed. Sorry to LCW fans, this wasn't suppose to be his classic match, He was not as his usual game. Smashed little, diving saves zero, only factor i can see from him which is better than before is his net game...

[Han]

to beat a not-in-form CJ becomes a classic?
how CJ lost in such a score is a big ? for me at least

Conspiracy between Yap Kim Hock and Li Yongbo? :D:D:D

[Misty100]

Conspiracy between Yap Kim Hock and Li Yongbo? :D:D:D


Yeah, the master dictatorship in the World of Badminton.

[bic33]

The classic LCW is the match between him and TH at the JO... TH was i think, 90% fit then... the match was an amazing display of contrasting styles of the two players... well, it's worth the 1.5gb that i downloaded... :D :)

[alfa-2]

You totally misunderstood. :eek: I mean it's a classic match for LCW. Just one match. "Classic" in the sense that it is a must for LCW fans to collect. Just like if you are a ZJH fan, you have to collect AE1990; If you are a TH fan, you have to buy a WC05 DVD. Understand now? :cool:

For LD, I cannot think of one... Maybe AE 06 beating LHI? AG06 is a great victory but LHI made too many simple errors for it to be worth collecting. :cool:

One more way to explain: in my opinion, a classic match for a player is a match that his/her fans could proudly show to other ppl, saying "see! that's how my hero is like when he/she plays his/her best! Total domination! Making world class opponents look like amateurs!"

what's the difference then?? last nite LCW's match is a collector's item because he put on a classic play. same like ZJH's AE1990. more or less a compliment for LCW's extraordinary classic play.

[OneToughBirdie]

Just watched the video between my 2 favorite players and very impressed with the way LCW played...LCW played a calculating rally style similar to DO07 when he played Bao...CJ appeared to be off form and hurt but then there was not much CJ could do on this night when the birdie was obeying LCW every wishes leaving CJ shaking his head and smiling with amazement at the baddy lesson LCW gave him...LCW is very gifted and talented to be able to play a completely different style and still excel at a high level...whether LCW win or lose, this is baddy that I would pay to watch and while I am not sure 'classic' is a word I would use to describe this game but I certainly would put in my collector videos...the way LCW played reminds me of Tang Aik Huang but better, and that is from an old guy like me having seen TAH played lots of times live in MAS...TAH does not win often esp when playing Rudy but TAH matches were very technical and entertaining and filled with awes the way the birdie danced...one other thing I noticed was the absence of the air-filled plastic stuff used in Anaheim, MAS, etc...those stuff (whatever they are called) are irritating and the French organizer did the right thing not to hand out those stuff.

[zqloy]

one other thing I noticed was the absence of the air-filled plastic stuff used in Anaheim, MAS, etc...those stuff (whatever they are called) are irritating and the French organizer did the right thing not to hand out those stuff.

U mean the clappers? :D
I like them, it brings on the atmosphere! Or maybe its just an asian thing? :p

[OneToughBirdie]

U mean the clappers? :D
I like them, it brings on the atmosphere! Or maybe its just an asian thing? :p
Yeah, the clappers, thank you. I was in Anaheim for WC05 with our group of 14 friends and the clappers were so noisy, obscuring our view and irritating as heck....as for Asian thingie, yeah maybe for you young generation type having fun but for oldies like us, we rather quietly concentrate on the matches...a tale of 2 generations, hehehe!!!:D:p;)

[jug8man]

Yeah, the clappers, thank you. I was in Anaheim for WC05 with our group of 14 friends and the clappers were so noisy, obscuring our view and irritating as heck....as for Asian thingie, yeah maybe for you young generation type having fun but for oldies like us, we rather quietly concentrate on the matches...a tale of 2 generations, hehehe!!!:D:p;)

The French Audience din have the clappers.... But they were far from Quiet!!!
Prolly one of the best badminton audience in the world to show on TV really how much fun you can have at a Baminton Match.

[abedeng]

Yeah, the clappers, thank you. I was in Anaheim for WC05 with our group of 14 friends and the clappers were so noisy, obscuring our view and irritating as heck....as for Asian thingie, yeah maybe for you young generation type having fun but for oldies like us, we rather quietly concentrate on the matches...a tale of 2 generations, hehehe!!!:D:p;)

He he, then I'm the one in between the two generations, not too fond of clappers whatsoever, but definitely cannot enjoy the match with quiet concentration. Needs some spark like the ones legendary venues such as Stadium Negara and Istora Senayan can give, some twenty years ago.

[eaglehelang]

he hasnt even won the title yet what is everyone getting so excited about....of course he played well against CJ today but wait until after the title is won :D

1) There are a lot of Malaysians in this forum, so of course, much discussion on Malaysian players.

2) LCW has not dropped a game in this tourney although playing with injury.
3) Due to injury, has changed style of play to ala Morten Frost AND interestingly, beat his opponents easier with this different style.

So, LCW fans will be thinking LCW's in top form, should be even better....

[eaglehelang]

I agreed. Sorry to LCW fans, this wasn't suppose to be his classic match, He was not as his usual game. Smashed little, diving saves zero, only factor i can see from him which is better than before is his net game...

Yup. Results wise, LCW was more impressive during Japan Open when he beat both Lin Dan and Taufik en route to winning the title. He also beat Chen Jin at Japan Open.

[pjswift]

The last thing I would want to consider as a LCW classic is he defeating an injured opponent.

[s1nn3r]

I think its too early to say this is LCW classic because he still got few years of badminton life in him. But the scoreline does show a bit but maybe there is some internal conflict for CJ, just like Sony defeated LCW in msia a few months back. Cheers :)

[kungfukid]

I think its too early to say this is LCW classic because he still got few years of badminton life in him. But the scoreline does show a bit but maybe there is some internal conflict for CJ, just like Sony defeated LCW in msia a few months back. Cheers :)
I think it's not all about scores. But rather the way he outplayed CJ. How he controlled the game n made CJ looked like a rookie.

BTW, CJ was not injured until the end of 2nd set. He injured himself from a shot.

[OneToughBirdie]

He he, then I'm the one in between the two generations, not too fond of clappers whatsoever, but definitely cannot enjoy the match with quiet concentration. Needs some spark like the ones legendary venues such as Stadium Negara and Istora Senayan can give, some twenty years ago.
You are right...we need some noise and not just quiet concentration, much like INA and MAS used the drum and gong show in yesteryears...but those clappers clapping right in front of you are just iritating and obscuring the view and they are loud, busting the eardrums. The clappers at the back can hit the person sitting in front or bustling their eardrums.

[extremenanopowe]

Hopefully more classics to come and in the making...

[huangkwokhau]

You are right...we need some noise and not just quiet concentration, much like INA and MAS used the drum and gong show in yesteryears...but those clappers clapping right in front of you are just iritating and obscuring the view and they are loud, busting the eardrums. The clappers at the back can hit the person sitting in front or bustling their eardrums.
Well...in DO, we were so annoyed with some kids using trumpet....it hurt your ears.....feeling like to "errg' them...trust me!!it was so annoying!!!

[extremenanopowe]

they must have thought its a soccer stadium. hehe..

[sonnymak]

By winning the French Open MS title in such a commanding fashion against such a technically superb player like Bao Cun lai, Lee Chong Wei had done justice to Morten Frost's view of the player.

More than 10 years ago when Morten Frost was coaching the Malaysian national team, he saw a very skinny lad from Penang of 14 years of age displaying lots of talent and tenacity that morten had to break down doors to get him selected to the Badminton academy.

LCW was small and skinny, lacked strength and at 14 many thought he was too old to be trained into a champion.

LCW certainly trained hard to get where he is today.

His strength is his tenacity. Even when he is down and staring at defeat, he would not give up and fight for evey point.

He did that to Lin Dan last year when he was down 13-20 in the 3rd Set and went on to win the match at 23-21.

Today at the french open, already having a bandaged knee which saw Bao overpowering him last week, he played efficiently without too many elaborate shots but still manage to stamp the match with his mark.

Badders of old and new can see a bit of Morten Frost, Misbun Sidek, Foo Kok Keong, Zhao jian Hua and some veteran even say Tan Aik Huang all roled into him.

But he has his own style too, the disguised cross court smash and forecourt leaping drop where you cant even see his racket or shoulder moving. The latter I think is distinctly his own.

Malaysia have had many promising single Players for the past 25 years but none have made any big impact in international badminton in so far as winning major tournament is concerned.

Lee Chong Wei's record is the best for Malaysia in the last 25 years and I hope he can bag the holy grail of Badminton, the All England and the Olympc title next year for after that, he would be a little bit aged at 27 and the youngsters would pose tough challenge to his staying on top of the men's single wolf pack.

[ye333]

Indeed I don't see any difference between our opinions... The match is a classic because of how LCW out-played CJ, with ease and flamboyancy. It's not about he got the title or not.

Back to my definition: this is a classic match for LCW (haven't watched the final yet) because this is the one match for LCW fans to show to other ppl and to convert some of them. :cool:

And by the way, now that LCW beated BCL with ease, this French Open is indeed a "classic tournament" for LCW now. Beating all opponents in straight games, with opponents' highest total score 28 (should I congratulate Simon Santoso? :-) ). Very impressive.


what's the difference then?? last nite LCW's match is a collector's item because he put on a classic play. same like ZJH's AE1990. more or less a compliment for LCW's extraordinary classic play.

[sweetlover]

terrific lee chong wei...!!!
well done bro...!!!

[hcyong]

I just downloaded the match and watched it (thanks to zazaza). I understand what you (ye333) mean by "classic" but for me, "classic LCW" is when LCW plays at his fastest speed.

It's still a very good performance by LCW though. A totally a new side to LCW, a rallying style like WCH but with some deception which actually works unlike Hafiz. LCW also gets deceived by CJ a few times, but he recovers quickly to retrieve the shots due to his light footwork.

Perhaps his success in FO is partly attibuted to his opponents being totally unprepared for this side of LCW, so familiar they are with the lightning cross-court jumping smashes of his.

[ye333]

Seems you don't want LCW to be a more complete player... :D


I just downloaded the match and watched it (thanks to zazaza). I understand what you (ye333) mean by "classic" but for me, "classic LCW" is when LCW plays at his fastest speed.

It's still a very good performance by LCW though. A totally a new side to LCW, a rallying style like WCH but with some deception which actually works unlike Hafiz. LCW also gets deceived by CJ a few times, but he recovers quickly to retrieve the shots due to his light footwork.

Perhaps his success in FO is partly attibuted to his opponents being totally unprepared for this side of LCW, so familiar they are with the lightning cross-court jumping smashes of his.

[liying_0505]

well done chong wei!! HE really did a great job! I'm very very impressed with his performance in the French Open semis & FInal

[hcyong]

Seems you don't want LCW to be a more complete player... :D

I want him to win, I wish him to be as complete as possible. He has to because he cannot keep pounding away when age catches up, but I will miss his explosiveness just like how I missed the aggresion of WCH when his style changed to rallying.

[george@chongwei]

congratulations to Lee Chong Wei for winning the Fench Superseries...:)

[zqloy]

I want him to win, I wish him to be as complete as possible. He has to because he cannot keep pounding away when age catches up, but I will miss his explosiveness just like how I missed the aggresion of WCH when his style changed to rallying.

He is a complete player no doubt. But LCW still has to work on is he consistency on mental toughness, esp during major tournaments. He definitely has the game.

[eaglehelang]

Lee Chong Wei's record is the best for Malaysia in the last 25 years and I hope he can bag the holy grail of Badminton, the All England and the Olympc title next year for after that, he would be a little bit aged at 27 and the youngsters would pose tough challenge to his staying on top of the men's single wolf pack.

Isnt LCW born in 1982? He's should be 25 this year and 26 next year. the right age, prime of his baddy career.

[badMania]

No doubt, based on his form right now, Lee Chong Wei is a hot contender for gold medal at the Olympics 2008.

[alfa-2]

I think LCW will play better in future with this style ala Morten Frost. why??

1) energy saving......it's very tiring to play "fast n furious" game style if that particular match lasts for more than 60 minutes. You wont have much energy left for the next opponent. It is like having turbo in your car, you can choose to drive without using the turbo (normal day cruising, better fuel consumption) and hit on the accelerator to activate the turbo when you need it most (overtaking cars).

2) Low risk to injure himself or further deteriorate his current injuries as doesnt need to move that fast most of the time.

3) LCW can further improve this game style and keep on using it until he retires. cos for sure he wont be able to sustain his usual "fast n furious" speed for the entire match when he reaches 30.

4) In the past, in the attacking mode, opponents are always ready for his attacks, thus they are able to save most of them. Now, once in a while he springs one of his killer attacks when the opponents are least aware of it. Thus making those shots highly efficient.

[ye333]

I think this is the most important one! How many times did we see LCW running like hell, raining smashes on LD, and then was finished when LD found his first chance? In the past, LCW was playing too fast to move his opponents around.



4) In the past, in the attacking mode, opponents are always ready for his attacks, thus they are able to save most of them. Now, once in a while he springs one of his killer attacks when the opponents are least aware of it. Thus making those shots highly efficient.

[jug8man]

I think LCW match againts BCL in the FO Finals was even more 'Classic' than the semifinal win over CJ.

Fantastic !

[alfa-2]

I think this is the most important one! How many times did we see LCW running like hell, raining smashes on LD, and then was finished when LD found his first chance? In the past, LCW was playing too fast to move his opponents around.

that's right, it's a pain in the arse to see that happening. A moment we were like so proud of LCW's stunning attacks, flying front and back, left and right but the next moment it's LD who got the point for the entire rally. :o:o wasting a lot of resources just to lose the point in the end, low efficiency game plan.

[robin7]

Isnt LCW born in 1982? He's should be 25 this year and 26 next year. the right age, prime of his baddy career.
I guess, the poster means LCW will be 27 after the Olympic.

[alfa-2]

I think LCW match againts BCL in the FO Finals was even more 'Classic' than the semifinal win over CJ.

Fantastic !

all i can say on BCL part is that he was totally confused.........most of the time in the match. He must be looking at the umpire and asking himself, "Is this LCW?? Are you sure he doesnt have a twin brother??" :D:D:D:D Poor BCL..........Maybe the umpire was asking himself the same question.............:p:p:p

[alfa-2]

Morten Frost should be very proud of himself for being able to spot a good horse (reminds me of the movie "Sea Biscuit")........Our goverment should grant Morten Frost a Dato or tan sri......:D:D:D:D

[robin7]

he hasnt even won the title yet what is everyone getting so excited about....of course he played well against CJ today but wait until after the title is won :D
Now we can celebrate...:D:p

[virtualkidneys!]

Lee chong wei!


I hope he wins the all england in march!

[fastdrop]

Congratulations to LCW! His knee injury has helped him evolved as a better player. More power and stay humble. See you in China!:)

[hcyong]

Congratulations to LCW! His knee injury has helped him evolved as a better player. More power and stay humble. See you in China!:)

fastdrop, are you stalking him?

[taufik-ist]

hmmm mas fans are still partying :)... guys... go sleeping !!! it's 3.21 am now :) :)

[cooler]

"Morten Frost, Misbun Sidek, Foo Kok Keong, Zhao jian Hua and some veteran even say Tan Aik Huang all roled into him. "


Not fair, all those pros against one LYB:D:p

[bradja23]

LCW was fantastic today.

He was moving so easily !
The crowd has even learnt how to say : Malaysia Boleh !
He was so happy to win and to say thank you to the crowd. He is now a "chouchou" of Paris.

[Fengwei]

Poor LYB... :D

LCW is magnificent, that's true. His style of playing has made many international players adapt their styles to be able to withstand his coolness, stamina and skill. He definitely resembles some of those legends in badminton, and as Sonnymak said, with an air of his own.

He is great, and apart from my personal favorite LD and second BCL, an amazing player. He definitely belongs in my all time top-3 Singles players

[bradja23]

He was unbeatable this week.

His defense has disguted all his opponents.

[fastdrop]

fastdrop, are you stalking him?

Hehehe. I'm just completing my mission. :)

[samuel882]

Hehehe. I'm just completing my mission. :)

O.T..

Fastdrop,
Congrats to u for getting closer into completing ur task, two more SS left.. I might see u in HK ;)

[fastdrop]

"Morten Frost, Misbun Sidek, Foo Kok Keong, Zhao jian Hua and some veteran even say Tan Aik Huang all roled into him. "


Not fair, all those pros against one LYB:D:p

I did not see LYB, not even his shadow. I saw him only twice during the entire French open, 1st on round 1, as mere spectator, then during the match of Lin Dan and Taufik when he sat on the coach chair.
I did not see him today. :confused:

[fastdrop]

O.T..

Fastdrop,
Congrats to u for getting closer into completing ur task, two more SS left.. I might see u in HK ;)

Hau-ge is already making the reservation for our dinner in Hongkong. Hehehe:D:D

[OneToughBirdie]

By winning the French Open MS title in such a commanding fashion against such a technically superb player like Bao Cun lai, Lee Chong Wei had done justice to Morten Frost's view of the player.

More than 10 years ago when Morten Frost was coaching the Malaysian national team, he saw a very skinny lad from Penang of 14 years of age displaying lots of talent and tenacity that morten had to break down doors to get him selected to the Badminton academy.

LCW was small and skinny, lacked strength and at 14 many thought he was too old to be trained into a champion.

LCW certainly trained hard to get where he is today.

His strength is his tenacity. Even when he is down and staring at defeat, he would not give up and fight for evey point.

He did that to Lin Dan last year when he was down 13-20 in the 3rd Set and went on to win the match at 23-21.

Today at the french open, already having a bandaged knee which saw Bao overpowering him last week, he played efficiently without too many elaborate shots but still manage to stamp the match with his mark.

Badders of old and new can see a bit of Morten Frost, Misbun Sidek, Foo Kok Keong, Zhao jian Hua and some veteran even say Tan Aik Huang all roled into him.

But he has his own style too, the disguised cross court smash and forecourt leaping drop where you cant even see his racket or shoulder moving. The latter I think is distinctly his own.

Malaysia have had many promising single Players for the past 25 years but none have made any big impact in international badminton in so far as winning major tournament is concerned.

Lee Chong Wei's record is the best for Malaysia in the last 25 years and I hope he can bag the holy grail of Badminton, the All England and the Olympc title next year for after that, he would be a little bit aged at 27 and the youngsters would pose tough challenge to his staying on top of the men's single wolf pack.

Well said. Now stay healthy and rest the knee.

[OneToughBirdie]

"Morten Frost, Misbun Sidek, Foo Kok Keong, Zhao jian Hua and some veteran even say Tan Aik Huang all roled into him. "


Not fair, all those pros against one LYB:D:p
And ZJH too...Now that is a bit too much...hehehe!!!:p:D:p

[OneToughBirdie]

Poor LYB... :D

LCW is magnificent, that's true. His style of playing has made many international players adapt their styles to be able to withstand his coolness, stamina and skill. He definitely resembles some of those legends in badminton, and as Sonnymak said, with an air of his own.

He is great, and apart from my personal favorite LD and second BCL, an amazing player. He definitely belongs in my all time top-3 Singles players
In terms of accomplishment and majors won, LCW is not close to LD and TH...that is for now...that being said, his style of play from previous fast/speed/cross court smash to now, rally style setting up for a kill demonstrate what a versatile complete player he can be and playing with a hurt knee. As I said, I love seeing him play and pay to see I would...As the chinese commentator said, he push the bird all over the place till CJ either place the bird out or to see up a kill and when LCW kill, the effect is deadly leaving CJ helpless. I know CJ was hurt but that does not take away the beautiful badminton we saw.

[Loopy]

I really like LCW.
Even got an autograph ! :)

I love how he moves around the court. He seems so unhurried, moving swiftlessly, as if not making any effort. His footwork is just incredible.

He moves very fast, yet doesn't seem to move fast. What a paradox !

He also makes some dazzling deceptive shots, tricking the opponent.

And his demeanor is so calm, as if a predator stalking his prey. It's very disturbing for the opponent. LCW really rocks :)

When I saw him play from day 1, I was ultimately sure he was going to win, and he didn't deceive. Congratlations LCW !

[Konnichiwa]

Now we can celebrate...:D:p

haha i hope for many more titles from lcw ....yes of course now we can celebrate:D

[Pemuda]

Malaysia's best realistic hope of winning a gold in Beijing, though I am yet to be fully convinced of his ability to handle pressure.
I would rate LCW's chances of winning in Beijing be 25%.

[huangkwokhau]

I did not see LYB, not even his shadow. I saw him only twice during the entire French open, 1st on round 1, as mere spectator, then during the match of Lin Dan and Taufik when he sat on the coach chair.
I did not see him today. :confused:
He might do some shopping....hehe He knows that China will bag many titles....I am surprised that he did not go to Denmark....I did not blame him...there was no fun in Odense anyway.....:D

[Badmintan]

What really impressed me is his new attitude.

Even he's not 100 fit, he played very consistently.

In the Danish Open, he didn't whine when he lost to BCL, and bounced back nicely to beat BCL in French Open. Not only that, he extinguish his ghost of losing to players that beat him before like Santoso and Sony in such convincing fashion. There is no doubt now that he is the top 2 player in world-with a very good head to head record against Lin Dan to boot.

[OneToughBirdie]

Malaysia's best realistic hope of winning a gold in Beijing, though I am yet to be fully convinced of his ability to handle pressure.
I would rate LCW's chances of winning in Beijing be 25%.
Concur that ability to handle pressure esp in a game as big as OLY is a definite concern, but the pressure is even heavier with LD, win LD becomes a hero, lose LD becomes a goat...heehaw!!!:p:D

[Inky2000]

Sorry if I've missed relevant previous posts. Can anybody post the links for downloading the LCW vs. BCL and LCW vs. CJ matches?

[indra]

all i can say on BCL part is that he was totally confused.........most of the time in the match. He must be looking at the umpire and asking himself, "Is this LCW?? Are you sure he doesnt have a twin brother??" :D:D:D:D Poor BCL..........Maybe the umpire was asking himself the same question.............:p:p:p

Ha..ha..ha...very funny!!!

LCW is now one of the strongest candidates to win GOLD in the Olympic...Congrats....

[vching]

now waiting for bananakid to come out and allege Lee was cheating about his injury........ :D :D

[Inky2000]

Concur that ability to handle pressure esp in a game as big as OLY is a definite concern, but the pressure is even heavier with LD, win LD becomes a hero, lose LD becomes a goat...heehaw!!!:p:D

Yap! China's Central TV Station has produced a 50-episode TV serial on Bruce Lee's life in conjunction with the Olympic fever - and they are trying to imitate the success story of S. Korea's "Dae Jang-geum" by pushing this serial to the world. I bet they will make all their OG-bound athletes watch the TV serial in order to moralize them. The interesting part is that Bruce Lee's movie characters are well-known in kicking caucasian and Japanese villains' asses. For badminton players, many of their major opponents are exported Chinese or Chinese descends like LCW, KKK/TBH, WC, PHY, etc (or their friendly Korean neighbors like JJS/LYD). So the "Bruce Lee voodoo" might not work on them.

[skchen]

By winning the French Open MS title in such a commanding fashion against such a technically superb player like Bao Cun lai, Lee Chong Wei had done justice to Morten Frost's view of the player.

More than 10 years ago when Morten Frost was coaching the Malaysian national team, he saw a very skinny lad from Penang of 14 years of age displaying lots of talent and tenacity that morten had to break down doors to get him selected to the Badminton academy.

LCW was small and skinny, lacked strength and at 14 many thought he was too old to be trained into a champion.

LCW certainly trained hard to get where he is today.

His strength is his tenacity. Even when he is down and staring at defeat, he would not give up and fight for evey point.

He did that to Lin Dan last year when he was down 13-20 in the 3rd Set and went on to win the match at 23-21.

Today at the french open, already having a bandaged knee which saw Bao overpowering him last week, he played efficiently without too many elaborate shots but still manage to stamp the match with his mark.

Badders of old and new can see a bit of Morten Frost, Misbun Sidek, Foo Kok Keong, Zhao jian Hua and some veteran even say Tan Aik Huang all roled into him.

But he has his own style too, the disguised cross court smash and forecourt leaping drop where you cant even see his racket or shoulder moving. The latter I think is distinctly his own.

Malaysia have had many promising single Players for the past 25 years but none have made any big impact in international badminton in so far as winning major tournament is concerned.

Lee Chong Wei's record is the best for Malaysia in the last 25 years and I hope he can bag the holy grail of Badminton, the All England and the Olympc title next year for after that, he would be a little bit aged at 27 and the youngsters would pose tough challenge to his staying on top of the men's single wolf pack.
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Thank you Morten Frost for your keen eye in spotting the
very skinny 14 year old LCW from Penang who had lots of talent and tenacity and getting him selected to the Badminton Academy despite strong opposition from certain quarters. That was over 10 years ago when you were the Malaysian coach.

Sadly, Malaysia today can rely on only three outstanding players (LCW, KKK & TBH) to stamp its mark in the badminton world and this is just not good enough. We have good coaches but the other players do not seem to be able handle the pressure well and that is something BAM has to look into.

Well done LCW!
We are very proud of you draping in the Malaysian flag receiving your prize.

[V3i HoN6]

now waiting for bananakid to come out and allege Lee was cheating about his injury........ :D :D
Ohh.. In before his righteous comments.

Congratulations to LCW and feel sad for BCL.
I think they both play well but LCW's defense is the key point of making Bao frustrated and lost the concentration. Just when BCL started to adapt to his play, then LCW suddenly come back with many crosscourt deceptive smash.

[ixory]

Congratulation to LCW for winning FO MS .I'm impressed with his determination and never say die attitude.LCW rules..

[Pemuda]

Concur that ability to handle pressure esp in a game as big as OLY is a definite concern, but the pressure is even heavier with LD, win LD becomes a hero, lose LD becomes a goat...heehaw!!!:p:D

Lin Dan is a proven performer. The lad can handle the big occasions while our LCW have faltered when it matters most.
I have said skills and technical abilities wise, I rate both Lin Dan and LCW pretty much equal. What separates them is the mental toughness, which Lin Dan has loads.

[Pemuda]

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Thank you Morten Frost for your keen eye in spotting the
very skinny 14 year old LCW from Penang who had lots of talent and tenacity and getting him selected to the Badminton Academy despite strong opposition from certain quarters. That was over 10 years ago when you were the Malaysian coach.

Sadly, Malaysia today can rely on only three outstanding players (LCW, KKK & TBH) to stamp its mark in the badminton world and this is just not good enough. We have good coaches but the other players do not seem to be able handle the pressure well and that is something BAM has to look into.

Well done LCW!
We are very proud of you draping in the Malaysian flag receiving your prize.

Kinda sad , dont you think so. It requires a foreigner to spot a young talent. Am pretty sure if we did not have Frost back then, maybe we wont be looking at LCW today.

In the men's singles, Malaysia can only rely on LCW because BAM shot themselves in the foot. We continued to flog that dead horse HH. How can we develop another LCW when we continue to bet on HH??

[kwun]

i merged two threads about LCW winning together.

congrats!

[sjoe]

The classic LCW is the match between him and TH at the JO... TH was i think, 90% fit then... the match was an amazing display of contrasting styles of the two players... well, it's worth the 1.5gb that i downloaded... :D :)

I absolutel agree with this. Display of offensive, defensive and deception from both players. Above all, the game was play in very good sportmanship spirit.
Very enjoyable to watch indeed.

[ckloo]

Congratulations to LCW! His knee injury has helped him evolved as a better player. More power and stay humble. See you in China!:)

I can only say that this knee injury that he faces is a blessing in disguise. All of us including himself (LCW) dont know that he can play even better with this type of style (rally + deception once in a while). So I really hope that, from today onwards he can switch to different mode when he plays in the future. This will surely make his opponent confuse and blur b'cos they cant really read his game. Hahaha....Bravo.... Chong Wei... Bravo....:cool::cool:

[ckloo]

Kinda sad , dont you think so. It requires a foreigner to spot a young talent. Am pretty sure if we did not have Frost back then, maybe we wont be looking at LCW today.

In the men's singles, Malaysia can only rely on LCW because BAM shot themselves in the foot. We continued to flog that dead horse HH. How can we develop another LCW when we continue to bet on HH??

I am thinking should be create a new thread called eh..maybe something like "Hafiz out of BAM" :D:D So that, the BAM will be alarmed and then expels that guy from BAM. Wasting the country money and produce no results since 2003. Sigh.....Maybe one more thread for Kuan Beng Hong too... :D:D

[ronnie14]

congrats chong wei!

[s1nn3r]

Is unbelievable… LCW adapt to another style of playing and now with variety of arsenal. He should be a good bet for the olympics. Playing a one dimension game isnt going to take him far, when he had a drop in form a few months back, opponent was reading his game like reading a book. So his decision to be Misbunlised is really a good choice. Cheers

[ctjcad]

Btw, for what LCW has done these past 2 weeks, i would say it was a very commendable and admirable effort~my congrats as well.:cool: However, if he wins the OG next yr, then i would probably then say, "A Classic for LCW" (a bit more pressure, as that should be the ultimate goal)..;):cool:

...one other thing I noticed was the absence of the air-filled plastic stuff used in Anaheim, MAS, etc...those stuff (whatever they are called) are irritating and the French organizer did the right thing not to hand out those stuff.

U mean the clappers? :D
I like them, it brings on the atmosphere! Or maybe its just an asian thing? :p

Yeah, the clappers, thank you. I was in Anaheim for WC05 with our group of 14 friends and the clappers were so noisy, obscuring our view and irritating as heck....as for Asian thingie, yeah maybe for you young generation type having fun but for oldies like us, we rather quietly concentrate on the matches...a tale of 2 generations, hehehe!!!:D:p;)

He he, then I'm the one in between the two generations, not too fond of clappers whatsoever, but definitely cannot enjoy the match with quiet concentration. Needs some spark like the ones legendary venues such as Stadium Negara and Istora Senayan can give, some twenty years ago.
..just like abedeng (only if they are played together in unison)..I know how OTB might've felt during the 2005 WC (as i also experienced that in 2005 S'pore Open and recently in the WC, well, the most latest one was during this yr's US Open). Yes, sitting and having our eardrums rattled with those balloon clappers can be somewhat a bit irritating, as they are quite loud; but when they're banged in unison, the sound can be somewhat uplifting:cool:..Add that with the drum beating, like in the recent WC, and one'll get the feeling just like when one watched the Semis and Finals. I personally enjoyed them & I can't imagine myself watching a baddy match without those:p;)

[OneToughBirdie]

Lin Dan is a proven performer. The lad can handle the big occasions while our LCW have faltered when it matters most.
I have said skills and technical abilities wise, I rate both Lin Dan and LCW pretty much equal. What separates them is the mental toughness, which Lin Dan has loads.
concur with you on this one.

[Cheung]

Kinda sad , dont you think so. It requires a foreigner to spot a young talent. Am pretty sure if we did not have Frost back then, maybe we wont be looking at LCW today.
?
Different people spot different things. It may well have been somebody in Malaysia. Your notion is rather romantic. I can assure you there must be other talented people out there who have not been spotted.:)

[Cheung]

Ha..ha..ha...very funny!!!

LCW is now one of the strongest candidates to win GOLD in the Olympic...Congrats....Indra already trying to play psychological games before the Olympics has really started;)

[Inky2000]

Btw, for what LCW has done these past 2 weeks, i would say it was a very commendable and admirable effort~my congrats as well.:cool: However, if he wins the OG next yr, then i would probably then say, "A Classic for LCW" (a bit more pressure, as that should be the ultimate goal)..;):cool:


I think what has made the last two matches of LCW in French SS potential classics (time will prove whether a match deserves such a status) is that LCW managed to turn his disadvantage of injury into his advantage with clever, highly adaptive game play - something that even LD and TH may not be able to achieve under similar circumstances. Everyone faces pressure at OG and a personal breakthrough in winning his first OG gold ever is not sufficient to make the match a classic. Maybe (I said "MAYBE") by the time LCW wins the OG gold (10 months from now), he has already become the undisputed No.1 MS player in the world and he is merely justifying this status by winning the gold - and such a match is not necessarily a classic.

[pjswift]

Lin Dan is a proven performer. The lad can handle the big occasions while our LCW have faltered when it matters most.
I have said skills and technical abilities wise, I rate both Lin Dan and LCW pretty much equal. What separates them is the mental toughness, which Lin Dan has loads.
Sometimes I find the simpleton in you ,refreshing.
But LD has loads of mental toughness and can handle big occasions?
How was LD mentally tough when he held 8 matchpoints and yet lost to LCW in MO06?
He can handle big occasions? He lost to Unseeded Ronald Susilo in R1 of OG04, remember? LD lost to TH in WC05, yes? LD lost to TH in AG06?Where's the mental toughness on these occasions?
Oh I know what you mean about proven performer. LD won the WC consecutively in 06 and 07.But he did not have to prove himself.The toughest opponents he had proven against in WC06 was Hafiz;in WC07 was Sony.His teammates did the tough work for him(He said so himself) and he's just lucky to be the anointed one to receive the prize.I don't begrudge him his titles but I would call him a lucky general.Just like he's lucky that BCL was used as the guinea pig to calibrate against an injured but feisty LCW in FO07. Can you imagine how LD would look if he had played against an injured LCW and lost? LD would be a laughing stock.LYB is so sharp in protecting LD's image but he won't be able to do it all the time, in the run up to OG08.
Surely, Mr Pemuda, you are sophiscated enough to see through the LYB veil?

[xymaerts]

Chong wei use new tactic through the France Open. And it prove that is works well. All i can see his style of play in this tournament was, "slow play + his trademark's intercept drop shot. And most important is follow is his great smashes when his opponent is unaware."

This is really different with his previous play. Which is fast speed, and fast attack. His opponent had immune on this kind of play.

U can see with his slow play, he have the opportunity to "show" all his skill...

[pjswift]

I think what has made the last two matches of LCW in French SS potential classics (time will prove whether a match deserves such a status) is that LCW managed to turn his disadvantage of injury into his advantage with clever, highly adaptive game play - something that even LD and TH may not be able to achieve under similar circumstances. Everyone faces pressure at OG and a personal breakthrough in winning his first OG gold ever is not sufficient to make the match a classic. Maybe (I said "MAYBE") by the time LCW wins the OG gold (10 months from now), he has already become the undisputed No.1 MS player in the world and he is merely justifying this status by winning the gold - and such a match is not necessarily a classic.
This can be a classic in clear thinking.Enjoy it.

[alfa-2]

Kinda sad , dont you think so. It requires a foreigner to spot a young talent. Am pretty sure if we did not have Frost back then, maybe we wont be looking at LCW today.

In the men's singles, Malaysia can only rely on LCW because BAM shot themselves in the foot. We continued to flog that dead horse HH. How can we develop another LCW when we continue to bet on HH??

politics???........:(:(:(

[robin7]

Interesting articles on LCW (http://http://news.sogou.com/news?query=???&pid=31023101&md=listTopics&name=&mode=0&sort=0)

[Pemuda]

Sometimes I find the simpleton in you ,refreshing.
But LD has loads of mental toughness and can handle big occasions?
How was LD mentally tough when he held 8 matchpoints and yet lost to LCW in MO06?
He can handle big occasions? He lost to Unseeded Ronald Susilo in R1 of OG04, remember? LD lost to TH in WC05, yes? LD lost to TH in AG06?Where's the mental toughness on these occasions?
Oh I know what you mean about proven performer. LD won the WC consecutively in 06 and 07.But he did not have to prove himself.The toughest opponents he had proven against in WC06 was Hafiz;in WC07 was Sony.His teammates did the tough work for him(He said so himself) and he's just lucky to be the anointed one to receive the prize.I don't begrudge him his titles but I would call him a lucky general.Just like he's lucky that BCL was used as the guinea pig to calibrate against an injured but feisty LCW in FO07. Can you imagine how LD would look if he had played against an injured LCW and lost? LD would be a laughing stock.LYB is so sharp in protecting LD's image but he won't be able to do it all the time, in the run up to OG08.
Surely, Mr Pemuda, you are sophiscated enough to see through the LYB veil?

And I find the git in you ... mind blowing, to say the least.

Lets look at the achievements in the big tournaments. Surely, you need to have some mental toughness to bag em' titles, right? Lets discuss facts, not go on a meaningless rant here.

Ok, how many World Championships titles does Lin Dan and LCW have? Well, Lin Dan won it twice. LCW? Ohhh, you are going to say that on his way to winning his two WC titles, Lin Dan had it easy ... no tough opponents and etc etc. Dude, this is where the git in you comes into play. If it was 'easy' with no tough opponents where was LCW in Madrid and KL??? Oppps he kinda tripped on himself in Madrid, making the quarter finals and in KL this year, he shot himself in the foot big time, eh? Maybe Yap Kim Hock should not have pushed the boy too hard. Or maybe on the way to the stadium, the traffic jams in KL was too much.

Well, say what you want, Lin Dan got em' 2 WC titles and LCW got zippo.

What about those super series/grand prix titles, Lin Dan got 22. LCW??
Lin Dan won the All England 3 times, LCW??
If you think that all these titles won by Lin Dan is 'lucky', then I must say you are a funny guy... comical to some extend.

[xymaerts]

How much is LCW pocked for winning France Open SS? Did not see a "money/check" presentation one, how come?

[MaLaYsIa Boleh!]

with this new style..
LCW can play more calm..
coz he dun need to rush for the shuttle..
juz hold a sec and think wat shot is more confusing..
+ if he play not too fast, there will be less mistakes too..
he really dominant all the 4 corners of the french open court...
great to see his new style works,
but i think the previous fast & furious style giv the audience more excitement..

[samuel882]

Congrats to a new born TAI CHI MASTER ...:eek:


以柔制刚

[alfa-2]

Interesting articles on LCW (http://http://news.sogou.com/news?query=???&pid=31023101&md=listTopics&name=&mode=0&sort=0)

robin your link doesn't link to that article.

[Misty100]

Interesting articles on LCW (http://http://news.sogou.com/news?query=???&pid=31023101&md=listTopics&name=&mode=0&sort=0)

I cannot see that link, can u please paste the whole article here, robin7? Thanks you.:p

[robin7]

robin your link doesn't link to that article.


I cannot see that link, can u please paste the whole article here, robin7? Thanks you.:p
Try this http://news.sogou.com/, then search by 李宗伟.

[alfa-2]

this is the article, anyone mind to translate?
击败林丹并没有让鲍春来实现质的飞跃，法国超级赛决赛对阵李宗伟，小鲍脆弱的心理再次被利用利用，几乎是毫 无还手之力地被对手击败，毫无疑问这场男单冠军战是中国羽毛球队在法国的最大败笔，谢杏芳和蔡 赟/付海峰登顶显得微不足道。
　　
　　这是李宗伟6月份印尼超级赛后，再一次在该级别赛事决赛中击败鲍春来夺冠，而鲍春来则依旧无法摆脱去年 韩国公开赛后无冠的尴尬历史。去年的中国公开赛，鲍春来半决赛淘汰林丹，决赛不敌赛前并不被看好的陈宏屈居 亚军。半年前的印尼超级赛，鲍春来半决赛力斩陶菲克，结果在被寄予厚望的情况下输给李宗伟。法国超级赛鲍春 来殊为不易地时隔一年再次拿下林丹，却在李宗伟面前乱了阵脚惨败而归。
　　
　　鲍春来的技术实 力已勿庸置疑，不过如何能够完美展现，却始终是个无法解决的问题。平稳的性格令鲍春来总给人以难堪大任的感 觉，水平发挥总有很大起伏，往往关键时刻顶不住 压力。平心而论鲍春来在法国超级赛的表现已经超越上周丹麦超级赛，至少他击败了一周前刚刚大胜自己的林丹。 以鲍春来的真实实力，绝不应该一年多来在国际比 赛中颗粒无收，在收获战胜林丹喜悦的同时，小鲍更应该反省下如何能够有取得突破，而不是虎头蛇尾最给人以悲 情的感觉。
　　
　　法国站已经是李宗伟今年收获的第三个超级系列赛和第四个巡回赛冠军，状态如日中天的他已经取代了陶菲克 成为中国男单在北京奥运会 上夺标的最大对手。本届法国赛李宗伟连胜乔纳森和西蒙，半决赛和决赛又力斩陈金和鲍春来，延续了2007年 下半年的神勇状态。李宗伟的防守能力独步天下， 进攻手段也逐渐多样化，李矛离任后他重新选择回到启蒙恩师米斯本处，很好地调整了心态，在技战术能力上有了 很大提高。半年以来李宗伟已经多次战胜包括林 丹、鲍春来和陈金在内的中国几大高手，毫无疑问他将成为2008年北京奥运会中国男单夺冠的最 大障碍。

[Inky2000]

this is the article, anyone mind to translate?
击败林丹并没有让鲍春来实现质的飞跃，法国超级赛决赛对阵李宗伟，小鲍脆弱的心理再次被利用利用，几乎是毫 无还手之力地被对手击败，毫无疑问这场男单冠军战是中国羽毛球队在法国的最大败笔，谢杏芳和蔡 赟/付海峰登顶显得微不足道。
　　
　　这是李宗伟6月份印尼超级赛后，再一次在该级别赛事决赛中击败鲍春来夺冠，而鲍春来则依旧无法摆脱去年 韩国公开赛后无冠的尴尬历史。去年的中国公开赛，鲍春来半决赛淘汰林丹，决赛不敌赛前并不被看好的陈宏屈居 亚军。半年前的印尼超级赛，鲍春来半决赛力斩陶菲克，结果在被寄予厚望的情况下输给李宗伟。法国超级赛鲍春 来殊为不易地时隔一年再次拿下林丹，却在李宗伟面前乱了阵脚惨败而归。
　　
　　鲍春来的技术实 力已勿庸置疑，不过如何能够完美展现，却始终是个无法解决的问题。平稳的性格令鲍春来总给人以难堪大任的感 觉，水平发挥总有很大起伏，往往关键时刻顶不住 压力。平心而论鲍春来在法国超级赛的表现已经超越上周丹麦超级赛，至少他击败了一周前刚刚大胜自己的林丹。 以鲍春来的真实实力，绝不应该一年多来在国际比 赛中颗粒无收，在收获战胜林丹喜悦的同时，小鲍更应该反省下如何能够有取得突破，而不是虎头蛇尾最给人以悲 情的感觉。
　　
　　法国站已经是李宗伟今年收获的第三个超级系列赛和第四个巡回赛冠军，状态如日中天的他已经取代了陶菲克 成为中国男单在北京奥运会 上夺标的最大对手。本届法国赛李宗伟连胜乔纳森和西蒙，半决赛和决赛又力斩陈金和鲍春来，延续了2007年 下半年的神勇状态。李宗伟的防守能力独步天下， 进攻手段也逐渐多样化，李矛离任后他重新选择回到启蒙恩师米斯本处，很好地调整了心态，在技战术能力上有了 很大提高。半年以来李宗伟已经多次战胜包括林 丹、鲍春来和陈金在内的中国几大高手，毫无疑问他将成为2008年北京奥运会中国男单夺冠的最 大障碍。

Major points:

* BCL's fragile psyche has yet again been taken advantage of. This is the biggest failure of CHN team at French SS.

* Mr. Runnerup - didn't win any title since KO'06
- CO'06 lost to CH at final despite of beating LD at sf
- INA SS'07 lost LCW at final despite of beating TH at sf

* BCL has the techniques but his mild personality has given us an impression that he can't handle big missions
- inconsistent performances; can't handle pressure

* At French SS, BCL performed better than he was at DEN SS, at least beating LD who defeated him by a big margin last week

* LCW has replaced TH to become CHN's biggest threat at OG'08
- His defense is formidable, and he could vary his attacks

[OneToughBirdie]

Major points:

* BCL's fragile psyche has yet again been taken advantage of. This is the biggest failure of CHN team at French SS.

* Mr. Runnerup - didn't win any title since KO'06
- CO'06 lost to CH at final despite of beating LD at sf
- INA SS'07 lost LCW at final despite of beating TH at sf

* BCL has the techniques but his mild personality has given us an impression that he can't handle big missions
- inconsistent performances; can't handle pressure

* At French SS, BCL performed better than he was at DEN SS, at least beating LD who defeated him by a big margin last week

* LCW has replaced TH to become CHN's biggest threat at OG'08
- His defense is formidable, and he could vary his attacks

Now all we ask the God of Draw is to place Mr TH, if he makes it to OLY08, and one more CHN MS player (hopefully CJ or whoever) in Mr. LD half of the draw...thank you very much. Hehehe!!!:p:p:p;););):D:D:D

[OneToughBirdie]

* LCW has replaced TH to become CHN's biggest threat at OG'08
- His defense is formidable, and he could vary his attacks

We know LCW is a technical player, speed, defense, cross-court smashes, deception are his trademark but LCW's rally style (akin Morten, Yang Yang and Misbun) of late shows us another dimension of him, expanding his arsenal of weapons and to be able to abruptly change playing style at world level, playing against CJ and BCL was no simple matter. It appears that LCW is actually improving his game with 10 months to OLY08. I would like to see how TH and LD play against LCW's rally style. Papa TH need to finish off his opponent fast to conserve stamina, that would be interesting when playing against a fit, rally and world class opponent using stamina-demanding, sucking-for-air strategy.
The one remaining question mark, and I concur with Pemuda on this, is for LCW to harness and not succumb to pressure of being favorite to win as he does previously, and you can call it mental toughness or whatever, doing so he would be a complete player. The OLY08 arena in Beiging, with homecourt advantage, appears to favor LD but the ghost of OLY04 is a reminder and lurking around and LD's pressure, I can only imagine, is far more than LCW pressure in MAS WC07.
The rally defensive-offensive style of LCW is actually quite simple and effective to execute than LCW's usual speed and gun game plan which requires all the ducks-to-line-up-in-a-row, accurately placing the birdie exactly where he wants them and for LCW to be in top form in order to execute that game plan, failure to do so produced erratic and inconsistent results and losing. Checking on the past, Morten and Yang Yang had been consistent winners using the same simple rally style, boring and non-spectacular, to wear down opponents. Just my thoughts.;)

[ye333]

The injury forces LCW to discover his hidden ability and strength. He used to play fast, and seems to me too fast to allow him thinking. Now with the slower paced rally style, he seems to think more and play more intelligently. He is more aware of his opponents' status and of course that is a big-plus.

After watching TH-LD, I think Papa TH is improving despite the scoreline. He starts to play his usual game again, a more balanced game, not just netshots. Of course his fitness is still a big problem and that's why when LD push the "turbo" button, TH has no way to stop him and lose 7,8 pts in a row.

Now the question is, after recovery from injury, can LCW seamlessly combine his new rally style and his old style? If he succeeds, big, big trouble for LD. Here are the reasons.

1. LCW actually saw hope of beating LD before 2006 WC. Since then, whenever LCW plays LD, the game is very close even if LD finally wins. However in 06 and 07 WC LCW unfortunately fell before he got the chance to play LD at all! If LCW can integrate this new rally style into his play, given that he is not in bad form, I see no chance that lesser players like CJ, BCL, KJ, Sony, SS, PG (sorry to list PG here...) can stop him. Thus a final clash with LD (or TH if TH can be fit again) is almost guaranteed.

2. LCW has had solid defence against LD's attacks (again!) since mid 2006. In 06 HKO he retrieved almost every of LD's smashes when he is well-prepared for the attack. The problem is that LCW's attacking on LD is not effective, and LCW is usually not well-prepared when LD counter-attacks. Now with the new rally style, can LCW be prepared whenever LD attacks? That would be a disaster for LD.



* LCW has replaced TH to become CHN's biggest threat at OG'08
- His defense is formidable, and he could vary his attacks

We know LCW is a technical player, speed, defense, cross-court smashes, deception are his trademark but LCW's rally style (akin Morten, Yang Yang and Misbun) of late shows us another dimension of him, expanding his arsenal of weapons and to be able to abruptly change playing style at world level, playing against CJ and BCL was no simple matter. It appears that LCW is actually improving his game with 10 months to OLY08. I would like to see how TH and LD play against LCW's rally style. Papa TH need to finish off his opponent fast to conserve stamina, that would be interesting when playing against a fit, rally and world class opponent using stamina-demanding, sucking-for-air strategy.
The one remaining question mark, and I concur with Pemuda on this, is for LCW to harness and not succumb to pressure of being favorite to win as he does previously, and you can call it mental toughness or whatever, doing so he would be a complete player. The OLY08 arena in Beiging, with homecourt advantage, appears to favor LD but the ghost of OLY04 is a reminder and lurking around and LD's pressure, I can only imagine, is far more than LCW pressure in MAS WC07.
The rally defensive-offensive style of LCW is actually quite simple and effective to execute than LCW's usual speed and gun game plan which requires all the ducks-to-line-up-in-a-row, accurately placing the birdie exactly where he wants them and for LCW to be in top form in order to execute that game plan, failure to do so produced erratic and inconsistent results and losing. Checking on the past, Morten and Yang Yang had been consistent winners using the same simple rally style, boring and non-spectacular, to wear down opponents. Just my thoughts.;)

[ctjcad]

I think what has made the last two matches of LCW in French SS potential classics (time will prove whether a match deserves such a status) is that LCW managed to turn his disadvantage of injury into his advantage with clever, highly adaptive game play - something that even LD and TH may not be able to achieve under similar circumstances. Everyone faces pressure at OG and a personal breakthrough in winning his first OG gold ever is not sufficient to make the match a classic. Maybe (I said "MAYBE") by the time LCW wins the OG gold (10 months from now), he has already become the undisputed No.1 MS player in the world and he is merely justifying this status by winning the gold - and such a match is not necessarily a classic.
..what is a "Classic" match??..does it have to involve a "physically less than 100%" player"??..for this i'm reflecting on one SS tourney, i can think of, which might be comparable (other members might have other examples)..
..in that case, under almost a similar circumstance, then perhaps Peter Gade's Malaysian Open's victory this yr could be considered "A Classic", as well??:confused:;) Knowing well, he was playing "less than 100%", just like LCW was; Gade even spent a night in the hospital. And who knew, his opponent in the Final, at that time, was also Bao ChunLai, who entered the Finals after receiving a W/O from Chen Hong. The scoreline was a bit different though, as Peter had to win in 3 hard fought sets.
I guess my initial thought was, perhaps the opponents which LCW faced in this French Open SS weren't as "tough" as what could've been (not to say they are less formidable than say Gade, LD and/or TH).
And in regards to the Olympics, true, what you said is reasonable. But my view is that, "A Classic" is one which most people will remember as the "big" events or those matches which pit the top players or even nemesis against each other..Examples: ZJH vs. Joko matches?! LD vs. TH matches?! LCW vs. LD matches (in 2006 MO MS Final; now, that i would consider to be "A Classic", eventhough IIRC neither players were "less than 100%/injured"):cool:
Thus, is Gade's illness or opponents (in 2007 MO) less severe than LCW?? Or is LCW's injury or opponents (in 2007 FO) less severe than Gade??..:confused:

Anyways, as i mentioned, LCW's effort in this French Open SS is commendable and admirable, i'm not taking it away..And i'm sure most if not all of the followers would agree on that..:cool:

[OneToughBirdie]

..what is a "Classic" match??..does it have to involve a "physically less than 100%" player"??..for this i'm reflecting on one SS tourney, i can think of, which might be comparable (other members might have other examples)..
..in that case, under almost a similar circumstance, then perhaps Peter Gade's Malaysian Open's victory this yr could be considered "A Classic", as well??:confused:;) Knowing well, he was playing "less than 100%", just like LCW was; Gade even spent a night in the hospital. And who knew, his opponent in the Final, at that time, was also Bao ChunLai, who entered the Finals after receiving a W/O from Chen Hong. The scoreline was a bit different though, as Peter had to win in 3 hard fought sets.
I guess my initial thought was, perhaps the opponents which LCW faced in this French Open SS weren't as "tough" as what could've been (not to say they are less formidable than say Gade, LD and/or TH).
And in regards to the Olympics, true, what you said is reasonable. But my view is that, "A Classic" is one which most people will remember as the "big" events or those matches which pit the top players or even nemesis against each other..Examples: ZJH vs. Joko matches?! LD vs. TH matches?! LCW vs. LD matches (in 2006 MO; now, that i would consider to be "A Classic", eventhough IIRC neither players were "less than 100%/injured"):cool:
Thus, is Gade's illness or opponents (in MO) less severe than LCW?? Or is LCW's injury or opponents (in FO) less severe than Gade??..:confused:

Anyways, as i mentioned, LCW's effort in this French Open SS is commendable and admirable, i'm not taking it away..And i'm sure most if not all of the followers would agree on that..:cool:

Even though the score showed an easy win for LCW but CJ and BCL are top 5 ranking and not many players want to go through these 2 players every tournament. On a night when LCW was simply formidable, it does not really matter which CJ/BCL showed up to play that night, the silver teapot tray (i.e. the trophy) belongs to LCW...hehehe!:D:p
I concur LD/TH would be tougher opponents and I really would like to see how TH/LD would play against a rally defensive style LCW who can also switch to high level speed-offensive style on the fly.
As for PG, I am not sure PG can even beat CJ and BCL who has been playing very well lately...I am even going to convince Cooler that pretty Bao no longer play like a girl anymore, capable of beating LD, LCW, CJ, PG and TH but unfortunately not all in the same tournament, otherwise Bao would not be Mr. Runner-Ups 14x:p;)
A 'Classic' match means what...'standard of excellence', 'memorable performance'?? Playing with a bandaged knee and abruptly reverting to a rally style to win tells us he is talented and gifted...if LCW win OLY08 by mixing up both rally and attacking styles, then FO07 would be a turning point in his career and FO07 would be a memorable event...like I say, see how TH/LD play LCW, that would be something to look forward to:D.

[ctjcad]

A 'Classic' match means what...'standard of excellence', 'memorable performance'?? Playing with a bandaged knee and abruptly reverting to a rally style to win tells us he is talented and gifted...if LCW win OLY08 by mixing up both rally and attacking styles, then FO07 would be a turning point in his career and FO07 would be a memorable event...like I say, see how TH/LD play LCW, that would be something to look forward to:D.
..how about LCW vs. LD's 2006 MO MS Final?? Or other similar matches, which i can't think of off the top of my head? Is that a "Classic" match?? I personally would rate it so (as LCW was on the brink of losing it all in the Final); IIRC, neither LCW and/or LD were "physically less than 100%/injured"..Again, it goes back to my questions/post above as to define 'What is a "Classic" match'? And does it have to involve "physically less than 100% player/injured" player, as this seems to be the main point of discussion?:confused:..Knowing that, is LCW's French Open performance comparable also to Gade's performance in this yr's M'sian Open;)..If so, could Gade's performance be considered a "Classic";)
Anyways, the definition of a "Classic" match, IMO, is relative and could depend on many factors..:cool:

[ctjcad]

A 'Classic' match means what...'standard of excellence', 'memorable performance'?? Playing with a bandaged knee and abruptly reverting to a rally style to win tells us he is talented and gifted...if LCW win OLY08 by mixing up both rally and attacking styles, then FO07 would be a turning point in his career and FO07 would be a memorable event...like I say, see how TH/LD play LCW, that would be something to look forward to:D.
..how about LCW vs. LD's 2006 MO MS Final?? Or other matches, which i can't think of off the top of my head? Is that a "Classic" match?? I personally would rate it so (as LCW was on the brink of losing it all in the Final); IIRC, neither LCW and/or LD were "physically less than 100%/injured"..Again, it goes back to my questions/post above as to define 'What is a "Classic" match'? And does it have to involve "physically less than 100% player/injured" player, as this seems to be the main point of discussion?:confused:..Comparing also w/Gade's performance in this yr's M'sian Open;)..
Anyways, the definition of a "Classic" match, IMO, is relative and could depend on many factors..:cool:

[ye333]

See my definition man. A classic match of a player is one match that his fans could proudly show other ppl and convert some of them.

LCW - LD MO is a classic match in a different sense. But I bet LCW fans would not show the whole match to other ppl. What could they say? "Hey, look, although my hero is beaten the crap out most of the time throughout the whole match, he managed to save 8 match points and finally win!" :D

PG - BCL MO is simply not a classic match in any sense. PG made so many errors that even a non-PG fan like me won't advertise it.

LCW - CJ is a classic match for LCW. Suppose I am a LCW fan, you are someone who hasn't seen LCW play and is not convinced of LCW's superiority. I can just give you a DVD of LCW - CJ, and say, "for your information, CJ is a consistent top 5 player." Wouldn't you be awed by how LCW toys CJ around? Then I'll tell you, "for you information, LCW was playing injured." Now I can welcome you as a newly converted LCW fan... :D

Of course, after a while you may feel cheated... :D


..how about LCW vs. LD's 2006 MO MS Final?? Or other similar matches, which i can't think of off the top of my head? Is that a "Classic" match?? I personally would rate it so (as LCW was on the brink of losing it all in the Final); IIRC, neither LCW and/or LD were "physically less than 100%/injured"..Again, it goes back to my questions/post above as to define 'What is a "Classic" match'? And does it have to involve "physically less than 100% player/injured" player, as this seems to be the main point of discussion?:confused:..Knowing that, is LCW's French Open performance comparable also to Gade's performance in this yr's M'sian Open;)..If so, could Gade's performance be considered a "Classic";)
Anyways, the definition of a "Classic" match, IMO, is relative and could depend on many factors..:cool:

[ctjcad]

See my definition man. A classic match of a player is one match that his fans could proudly show other ppl and convert some of them.
..would anyone be "converted", say, after watching Sato defeat Taufik in last yr's Thomas Cup?? Or Nguyen Tien Minh's victory over Taufik recently?? or even Simon Santoso's victory over LCW recently??..:confused:;)

LCW - LD MO is a classic match in a different sense. But I bet LCW fans would not show the whole match to other ppl. What could they say? "Hey, look, although my hero is beaten the crap out most of the time throughout the whole match, he managed to save 8 match points and finally win!" :D
..saving 8 match pts in a row and finally won it, IMO, that is a miracle and a true "Classic" match..:cool:

PG - BCL MO is simply not a classic match in any sense. PG made so many errors that even a non-PG fan like me won't advertise it.
..i thought PG was "not 100% physically fit" during that MO tourney?; i'm not looking at just the Final:confused:..Just like LCW was "not 100% physically fit" in this French Open..;)

LCW - CJ is a classic match for LCW. Suppose I am a LCW fan, you are someone who hasn't seen LCW play and is not convinced of LCW's superiority. I can just give you a DVD of LCW - CJ, and say, "for your information, CJ is a consistent top 5 player." Wouldn't you be awed by how LCW toys CJ around? Then I'll tell you, "for you information, LCW was playing injured." Now I can welcome you as a newly converted LCW fan... :D

Of course, after a while you may feel cheated... :D
..i thought CJ was injured (back) during his Semi Finals vs. LCW??:confused:..Not to take away LCW's win..;)

[OneToughBirdie]

..how about LCW vs. LD's 2006 MO MS Final?? Or other matches, which i can't think of off the top of my head? Is that a "Classic" match?? I personally would rate it so (as LCW was on the brink of losing it all in the Final); IIRC, neither LCW and/or LD were "physically less than 100%/injured"..Again, it goes back to my questions/post above as to define 'What is a "Classic" match'? And does it have to involve "physically less than 100% player/injured" player, as this seems to be the main point of discussion?:confused:..Comparing also w/Gade's performance in this yr's M'sian Open;)..
Anyways, the definition of a "Classic" match, IMO, is relative and could depend on many factors..:cool:
Yeah, I would concur with you MO06 is a classic, actually I posted before that MO06 is one of my favorite videos besides ZJH/Joko AE1990.

[OneToughBirdie]

Yeah, I would concur with you MO06 is a classic, actually I posted before that MO06 is one of my favorite videos besides ZJH/Joko AE1990.
Classic as in a memorable event, then MO06 is one then.

[ye333]

Well I don't know what to say. I never mentioned these matches as "classic". For example, Sato defeating TH is not impressive at all. Although Sato won, it is still TH toying Sato around.

You can call LCW - LD MO has a "classic ending for LCW", or "LCW's classic fight-back". But the whole match? How did LCW fall into the situation of having to save 8 match points, may I ask? (Same goes to LD - LCW 06 AE, how the hell did LD fall into the situation of having to catch up from 6:13?) The whole match can be viewed as a classic match, but it's not a classic match for LCW. (Note the difference!! :mad:)

It has actually little to do with whether LCW is injured or not (which is just a bonus). It's the immense technical superiority shown in the match.

I don't know what we are arguing anymore... I think I already have made my point very clearly. :confused::(


..would anyone be "converted", say, after watching Sato defeat Taufik in last yr's Thomas Cup?? Or Nguyen Tien Minh's victory over Taufik recently?? or even Simon Santoso's victory over LCW recently??..:confused:;)

..saving 8 match pts in a row and finally won it, IMO, that is a miracle and a true "Classic" match..:cool:

..i thought PG was "not 100% physically fit" during that MO tourney?; i'm not looking at just the Final:confused:..Just like LCW was "not 100% physically fit" in this French Open..;)

..i thought CJ was injured (back) during his Semi Finals vs. LCW??:confused:..Not to take away LCW's win..;)

[ctjcad]

You can call LCW - LD MO has a "classic ending for LCW", or "LCW's classic fight-back". But the whole match? How did LCW fall into the situation of having to save 8 match points, may I ask? (Same goes to LD - LCW 06 AE, how the hell did LD fall into the situation of having to catch up from 6:13?) The whole match can be viewed as a classic match, but it's not a classic match for LCW. (Note the difference!! :mad:)
..it is for our OTB and myself and probably others..;):cool:

It has actually little to do with whether LCW is injured or not (which is just a bonus). It's the immense technical superiority shown in the match.

I don't know what we are arguing anymore... I think I already have made my point very clearly. :confused::(
..the notion i was pointing to was to Inky2000's post (#88) which he explained it's a "Classic" match because "LCW managed to turn his disadvantage of injury into his advantage with clever, highly adaptive game play">>focused on his physical state (or lack of being 100%), which seems to be the main reason for calling it a "Classic" match. I then brought up a question, 'does a classic match have to involve a "physically less than 100% player"'? As a comparison, i then gave examples of Gade's 2007 MO scenario, and LCW vs. LD 2006 MO Final match, in which neither was "physically less than 100%"..

About whether LCW was able to show his "immense technical superiority in the match", i would believe his injury most likely has forced to change his style and approach to his game. Is it for the good of him? That we shall see in the upcoming tourneys..:cool:

[OneToughBirdie]

About whether LCW was able to show his "immense technical superiority in the match", i would believe his injury most likely has forced to change his style and approach to his game. Is it for the good of him? That we shall see in the upcoming tourneys..:cool:

Look forward to LCW playing LD and TH...see if LCW would continue with rally style or gun-attack or combine both...that would be interesting.;)

[Inky2000]

I think this debate is going nowhere as everybody has his/her own definition of "classic game". Even for the same person who tries to identify his/her own set of "classic games" in the history of badminton, the list might involve matches with being classic in many different ways. For example,


..the notion i was pointing to was to Inky2000's post (#88) which he explained it's a "Classic" match because "LCW managed to turn his disadvantage of injury into his advantage with clever, highly adaptive game play">>focused on his physical state (or lack of being 100%), which seems to be the main reason for calling it a "Classic" match. I then brought up a question, 'does a classic match have to involve a "physically less than 100% player"'?

I didn't argue that "a classic match HAVE TO involve a 'physically less than 100% player'". My argument was merely that "it is a (potential) classic because it involves a player who has successfully turned his physical disadvantage in a match to his advantage by discovering and quickly mastering a playing style that could make him a solid world beater, and perhaps become the turning point of his career." See the difference between the logic? There are many other types of classic games in my mind but this is one very unique type of classic.

If we can't reach a consesus in a common definition of "classic game", then ... to each his/her own. This is something like in movie watching - whenever I hear anyone says, "GONE WITH THE WIND is a classic!" I could immediately conclude that we are not having compatible frequencies in film appreciation and therefore I would rather not to speak to him/her on film, although I do respect his/her preferences.

[Inky2000]

Excerpt from The Star, 6 Nov 2007

http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/11/6/sports/19387036&sec=sports

Chong Wei puts on his thinking cap

PETALING JAYA: Shuttler Lee Chong Wei has made it clear to his rivals that he is serious in wanting to strive for consistently good performance on the international arena by winning the French Open in commanding fashion in Paris on Sunday.

... (omitted) ...


“My knee problem affected my physical condition. But I won this week on skill and tactical play. I was quicker in attacks and I was able to read my opponents' game well,” said Chong Wei in a telephone interview from Paris before leaving for home yesterday.

“Personally, this was one of my best weeks this year. I applied different strategies and it worked well for me. I have to thank the NSC (National Sports Council) medical team for their help, too. I had contemplated withdrawing from the French Open but I was well taken care of.”
Chong Wei, however, may opt to compete in only one of the last two rounds of the Super Series in China (Nov 20-25) and Hong Kong (Nov 27-Dec 2).

...


Coach Misbun Sidek said that Chong Wei had taken his game to a different level.
“Despite his condition, he believes in his ability. This time he showed that he was a thinking player. I was impressed with the way he won his matches. Their opponents did not know how to react to his different style of play,” said Misbun.

...

[hcyong]

When ye333 originated this thread, he defined his usage of the word "classic". Mostly I agree with his definition. A lot may not agree that it is classic badminton, but what ye333 meant was that it is a classic for LCW fans. Putting it simply, classic means memorable. You can also say it is a "definitive" match for LCW.

[sonnymak]

onetoughbirdie wrote
"We know LCW is a technical player, speed, defense, cross-court smashes, deception are his trademark but LCW's rally style (akin Morten, Yang Yang and Misbun) of late shows us another dimension of him, expanding his arsenal of weapons and to be able to abruptly change playing style at world level, playing against CJ and BCL was no simple matter. It appears that LCW is actually improving his game with 10 months to OLY08. I would like to see how TH and LD play against LCW's rally style. Papa TH need to finish off his opponent fast to conserve stamina, that would be interesting when playing against a fit, rally and world class opponent using stamina-demanding, sucking-for-air strategy.
The one remaining question mark, and I concur with Pemuda on this, is for LCW to harness and not succumb to pressure of being favorite to win as he does previously, and you can call it mental toughness or whatever, doing so he would be a complete player. The OLY08 arena in Beiging, with homecourt advantage, appears to favor LD but the ghost of OLY04 is a reminder and lurking around and LD's pressure, I can only imagine, is far more than LCW pressure in MAS WC07.
The rally defensive-offensive style of LCW is actually quite simple and effective to execute than LCW's usual speed and gun game plan which requires all the ducks-to-line-up-in-a-row, accurately placing the birdie exactly where he wants them and for LCW to be in top form in order to execute that game plan, failure to do so produced erratic and inconsistent results and losing. Checking on the past, Morten and Yang Yang had been consistent winners using the same simple rally style, boring and non-spectacular, to wear down opponents. Just my thoughts."

Actually after looking back at LCW play in JO this year against LD and Papa TH, you can actually see his progression from his usual fast attack and fast lob to a delayed slow lob and lots of punch clears.

This has rattled LD in the JO SF, previouly when LCW leaps LD know where the smash will go and he prepares his defence , now LCW leaps let the shuttle hang in the air for a while and he punch clear to the base line, LD thinikng of defence was returning to the centre position only to push himself back to the baseline, the timing is everyting, LD could not put himself in the position to smash and have to return a lob. This tactic have lessen the rate of LD smashes in a match.

By leaving of the shuttle to hang in the air, LCW can chose to lob, punch clear, drop, chop, or smash. He let the opponent guess which play he would execute and then do the opposite of what the opponents guessed.

Actually LD is also slowly swithching to a stroke base play if you look at his recent matches.

This have left opponents bewildered like in the match against CJ and Bao.

[eaglehelang]

That Star article also has LCW saying he might choose only one tourney - between China and Hong Kong Open cos his knee needs rest.

We'll see.

[huangkwokhau]

That Star article also has LCW saying he might choose only one tourney - between China and Hong Kong Open cos his knee needs rest.

We'll see.
Hope he chooses HKG open.....:D

[ye333]

I am glad to see that LCW and Misbun actually agree with me... :D Chong Wei is playing more intelligently, and reading his opponents much better.


Excerpt from The Star, 6 Nov 2007

http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/11/6/sports/19387036&sec=sports

Chong Wei puts on his thinking cap

PETALING JAYA: Shuttler Lee Chong Wei has made it clear to his rivals that he is serious in wanting to strive for consistently good performance on the international arena by winning the French Open in commanding fashion in Paris on Sunday.

... (omitted) ...


“My knee problem affected my physical condition. But I won this week on skill and tactical play. I was quicker in attacks and I was able to read my opponents' game well,” said Chong Wei in a telephone interview from Paris before leaving for home yesterday.

“Personally, this was one of my best weeks this year. I applied different strategies and it worked well for me. I have to thank the NSC (National Sports Council) medical team for their help, too. I had contemplated withdrawing from the French Open but I was well taken care of.”
Chong Wei, however, may opt to compete in only one of the last two rounds of the Super Series in China (Nov 20-25) and Hong Kong (Nov 27-Dec 2).

...


Coach Misbun Sidek said that Chong Wei had taken his game to a different level.
“Despite his condition, he believes in his ability. This time he showed that he was a thinking player. I was impressed with the way he won his matches. Their opponents did not know how to react to his different style of play,” said Misbun.

...

[Inky2000]

Hope he chooses HKG open.....:D

It makes more sense to opt for CHN Open as part of the preparation for the big OG challenge.

[huangkwokhau]

It makes more sense to opt for CHN Open as part of the preparation for the big OG challenge.
No...they will learn his style of play .....Just pray that he will show up in HKG....other reason is in case he loses, he has time to shop in HKG....:D especially in causeway bay, times square...hehe

[Inky2000]

No...they will learn his style of play .....Just pray that he will show up in HKG....other reason is in case he loses, he has time to shop in HKG....:D especially in causeway bay, times square...hehe

CHN team will definitely go and support HKG SS in full force anyway, so they can learn his style of play at either event (or even if they don't, they just need the video recordings). My point is that LCW has to get used to the atmosphere when playing against CHN players with home ground advantage.

Anyway, Guangzhou and HK are only separated by 2 hours' train ride (faster if you are taking express train). I'm pretty sure LCW has been to HK before but not Guangzhou, which has its own charm despite of not so well-managed as HK. I visited both cities a few months ago (3rd time in HK but 1st time in Guangzhou) and enjoyed every single moment.

[eaglehelang]

CHN team will definitely go and support HKG SS in full force anyway, so they can learn his style of play at either event (or even if they don't, they just need the video recordings). My point is that LCW has to get used to the atmosphere when playing against CHN players with home ground advantage.

.

Huang just wants LCW to go to HK so he can bring LCW around

[Inky2000]

Huang just wants LCW to go to HK so he can bring LCW around

So Huang wishes LCW will lose in the early round (see his original posting) so that he can show him around ...? :eek:

[ctjcad]

I think this debate is going nowhere as everybody has his/her own definition of "classic game". Even for the same person who tries to identify his/her own set of "classic games" in the history of badminton, the list might involve matches with being classic in many different ways. For example,
..in other words, the definition (and examples) for a "Classic game" is relative..:confused:;)

I didn't argue that "a classic match HAVE TO involve a 'physically less than 100% player'". My argument was merely that "it is a (potential) classic because it involves a player who has successfully turned his physical disadvantage in a match to his advantage by discovering and quickly mastering a playing style that could make him a solid world beater, and perhaps become the turning point of his career." See the difference between the logic?
..it was simply a question from my side, in a way, as i wasn't clear; not adding to your point..It's a bit clearer now..

There are many other types of classic games in my mind but this is one very unique type of classic.
If we can't reach a consesus in a common definition of "classic game", then ... to each his/her own. This is something like in movie watching - whenever I hear anyone says, "GONE WITH THE WIND is a classic!" I could immediately conclude that we are not having compatible frequencies in film appreciation and therefore I would rather not to speak to him/her on film, although I do respect his/her preferences.

When ye333 originated this thread, he defined his usage of the word "classic". Mostly I agree with his definition. A lot may not agree that it is classic badminton, but what ye333 meant was that it is a classic for LCW fans. Putting it simply, classic means memorable. You can also say it is a "definitive" match for LCW.
..hmm, so going with the point that "everybody has his/her own definition of 'classic game' and there are many other types of classic games", perhaps, to be fair to other fans (even LCW's), the statement should be "It is ONE of LCW's 'classic games'" (which i'm sure he has a few memorable ones)..As one never knows if in next yr's OG, LCW could produce another "classic game(s)"..;):cool:

[pjswift]

It makes more sense to opt for CHN Open as part of the preparation for the big OG challenge.
Pls do a favour and post today's NST write up by one KM Boopathy and let's hear comments on his interesting perceptions.Shades of Mr Pemuda.Or maybe worse.

[eaglehelang]

NST ONLINE

Badminton: Chong Wei's No 2 spot crucial

By : K.M. Boopathy (nstsport@nst.com.my)


http://www.nst.com.my/Tuesday/Sport/20071106091151/insidepix1
World No 1 pair Koo Kien Keat (left) and Tan Boon Heong are gold medal prospects in the Beijing Olympics next year.

LEE Chong Wei, boosted by his victory in the French Open in Paris on Sunday, has taken a big step in establishing himself as the World No 2, and this should augur well for his Olympic challenge next year.

The World No 1 spot is held by China’s Lin Dan, whose superb temperament and performance should see him above everyone else for at least another year.

That is why it is crucial for Chong Wei to ensure that he should at least be in a strong position as the World No 2.

Lin Dan can afford to select the tournaments that he wishes to win, as he did in the Denmark Open a fortnight ago, and take his feet off the accelerator when he deems fit, as he did against compatriot Bao Chunlai in the semis in Paris.

Incidentally, three of the four titles were won by Chong Wei when Lin Dan didn’t make the finals, and this shows that the Malaysian is filled with confidence when he faces other rivals.

The moment Lin Dan conceded the match to Chunlai in Paris, it was apparent that Chong Wei would eventually clinch the French Open and he duly did it.

At the same time, Chong Wei has also established a good record against experienced China player Chen Hong and Danish veteran Peter Gade Christensen.

But the danger is still in the form of China’s World No 4 Chen Yu and Chong Wei must also overcome his apprehension when facing Indonesia’s Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat who is going downhill.

If Chong Wei maintains his standards, it should lead to at least an Olympic silver in Beijing.

Well, he can aim for the gold if the chance comes, and Lin Dan, though as imposing as the Great Wall, can crack at times.

Meanwhile, Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah have once again shown their tendency to crumble under pressure when in a final.

This cost them their first Super Series title when they lost tamely to China’s Fu Haifeng-Cai Yun in Paris.

However, Tan Fook-Wan Wah can still be counted on to help Malaysia’s Olympic aspirations as they have the ability to eliminate top pairs in the early rounds, which they did in Paris when beating world champions Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan in the quarter-finals.

But world No 1 Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong must be around to capitalise on the openings created by Tan Fook-Wan Wah.

Although Kien Keat-Boon Heong fell in the French Open quarter-finals, they won the Denmark Open earlier for their fourth Super Series crown.

Malaysia can still look to a two-pronged attack for an Olympic gold in Beijing.

__________________________________________________ __________
And I'm sure some of have noticed - NST and Berita Harian are more critical, Star netural sometimes supportive. Just depends how they want to slant the story.
Normal-lah for this type of comment. This is not the 1st time this journalist has written this, to him LCW is only good for OG silver. KKK/TBH best hope for gold - all this echoed by NSC.

[alfa-2]

NST ONLINE

Badminton: Chong Wei's No 2 spot crucial

By : K.M. Boopathy (nstsport@nst.com.my)
The World No 1 spot is held by China’s Lin Dan, whose superb temperament and performance should see him above everyone else for at least another year.

Lin Dan can afford to select the tournaments that he wishes to win, as he did in the Denmark Open a fortnight ago, and take his feet off the accelerator when he deems fit, as he did against compatriot Bao Chunlai in the semis in Paris.

Incidentally, three of the four titles were won by Chong Wei when Lin Dan didn’t make the finals, and this shows that the Malaysian is filled with confidence when he faces other rivals.

If Chong Wei maintains his standards, it should lead to at least an Olympic silver in Beijing.

maybe boopathy is somehow related to pemuda???:D:D:D

[eaglehelang]

The moment Lin Dan conceded the match to Chunlai in Paris, it was apparent that Chong Wei would eventually clinch the French Open and he duly did it.

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maybe boopathy is somehow related to pemuda???:D:D:D

Nahhh, just NST Group (NST, BH and Harian Metro) more critical.
Btw, did you all notice he said Lin Dan conceded? Like he pity Bao Bao and give Bao chance to win. Szzzhh, an insult to Bao's skills, like LD the only good MS player in China.

[X Ball]

LCW is now becoming unbeatable. Something has come into him, it is as if he suddenly believed in himself. He can turn his play on when he wants to - in his 2nd game, when he was into a little lull, he was able to exert himself very quickly to close the game on poor BAO, who tried as he did just could not come up with the answer.

LCW has now a great turn of speed and he used this very well to catch his opponents off-guard - e.g. a fast drive to the forehand to be followed by an accurate jumping smash to finish it off was just awesome. His returns now have pin-point accuracy and his cross courts are sharp and deep --- WOW !

I need to take my hat off to him, if he continues like this he would be world champion again soon. It is just a reveller to watch him play -- as a fan, you can almost feel the superiority in LCW's plays.

Bring on LD ! LCW will handle him. :)

[ye333]

I think the main difference this time is LCW has full confidence and was not nervous at all. It seems his mind is clearer etc. We see that the opponents cannot surprise him anymore.

The question is, when he recovered from the injury, when their is real pressure, will he be nervous again? :cool:


LCW is now becoming unbeatable. Something has come into him, it is as if he suddenly believed in himself. He can turn his play on when he wants to - in his 2nd game, when he was into a little lull, he was able to exert himself very quickly to close the game on poor BAO, who tried as he did just could not come up with the answer.

LCW has now a great turn of speed and he used this very well to catch his opponents off-guard - e.g. a fast drive to the forehand to be followed by an accurate jumping smash to finish it off was just awesome. His returns now have pin-point accuracy and his cross courts are sharp and deep --- WOW !

I need to take my hat off to him, if he continues like this he would be world champion again soon. It is just a reveller to watch him play -- as a fan, you can almost feel the superiority in LCW's plays.

Bring on LD ! LCW will handle him. :)

[huangkwokhau]

So Huang wishes LCW will lose in the early round (see his original posting) so that he can show him around ...? :eek:
Haiya!!!:cool:...just in case..........:D:D dont make look bad....:mad::D

[pjswift]

Nahhh, just NST Group (NST, BH and Harian Metro) more critical.
Btw, did you all notice he said Lin Dan conceded? Like he pity Bao Bao and give Bao chance to win. Szzzhh, an insult to Bao's skills, like LD the only good MS player in China.
In another thread, my guess is LD conceded to Bao but not for the reason boopathy floated.CHN dared not let LD play LCW as it has to be a must-win for LD because LCW has the distinct disadvantage of injury. And CHN's not too sure LD can win, seeing how lightning quick all his other FO matches were.So they sent BCL for testing.Since BCL lost, fans will say it's expected. If BCL had won,then they can say, 'See,BCL is good enough,that's why LD can just be a spectator.' That's what they tried to do in IO07.It's a no-lose situation except for the MS title.If they had sent LD,it may turn out to be an end of the Super dan image.
What I don't understand is how come Boopathy didn't realise that when a tier 1 player is injured, he becomes vulnerable even to tier 2 or 3 players.

[pjswift]

Haiya!!!:cool:...just in case..........:D:D dont make look bad....:mad::D
How about this? LCW to play in CO, hopefully win title,then go out R1 in HKO so you can bring him shopping?

[pjswift]

I think the main difference this time is LCW has full confidence and was not nervous at all. It seems his mind is clearer etc. We see that the opponents cannot surprise him anymore.

The question is, when he recovered from the injury, when their is real pressure, will he be nervous again? :cool:
He 'll be ok so long as YKH is out of sight because YKH is a source of nervous energy(nothing personal,that's just YKH's shortcoming).Actually only Misbun needs to be there for him;other accessories are just disturbance.

[eaglehelang]

What I don't understand is how come Boopathy didn't realise that when a tier 1 player is injured, he becomes vulnerable even to tier 2 or 3 players.

As I've said, this writer is critical, he will continue writing in this tone.
If you have read articles by the Berita Harian sports journalists(not this tourney in particular but in general), it's even more critical.

Better too to have lower expectations of LCW- less pressure for him. More pressure = LCW cant perform well = as you know happened in 2004 Olympics, WC 2006 and 2007.

In any case, going back to Misbun seem to be the right move. Misbun's cool and calm personality suits LCW at this stage of his career.
Though in LCW younger days many said Misbun isnt a good coach, no outstanding results then, LCW wasnt mature enuf I suppose.

Btw, may I ask what skills Li Mao taught LCW and what's Misbun's speciality? I didnt follow LCW's career from his younger days, so I just want to know if he incorporated the best stuff he learnt from these 2 coaches.

[bananakid]

In another thread, my guess is LD conceded to Bao but not for the reason boopathy floated.CHN dared not let LD play LCW as it has to be a must-win for LD because LCW has the distinct disadvantage of injury. And CHN's not too sure LD can win, seeing how lightning quick all his other FO matches were.So they sent BCL for testing.Since BCL lost, fans will say it's expected. If BCL had won,then they can say, 'See,BCL is good enough,that's why LD can just be a spectator.' That's what they tried to do in IO07.It's a no-lose situation except for the MS title.If they had sent LD,it may turn out to be an end of the Super dan image.
What I don't understand is how come Boopathy didn't realise that when a tier 1 player is injured, he becomes vulnerable even to tier 2 or 3 players.

Lin Dan was sent to test LCW in Japan open... noticed how he was playing basically quite similar to Bao's style(try to see that, it's not difficult), and Bao was on court side watching and giving advice to Lin Dan.

Now they sent Bao to the final with LCW, partially due to the fact that Bao does need more ranking point considering Bao, CJ and CY do need more ranking points to secure the remaining 2 spots of the top 4... as #1 is Lin Dan's, and when they noticed LCW beat CJ... they have to let Bao get up there or there will be a larger gap between Bao and LCW which doesn't help China secure 3 out of the top 4 spot.

Just look at Gao/ZB's case, it is the same thing... you really think China worries about hurting Gao/ZB's image if they were to lose to Flandy/Vita???

[sonnymak]

eaglehelang

yes Misbun is a damn good coach, Roslin won Japan open in 2001, Hafiz the AE in 2003 and now Lee Chong Wei.

On your question of Li Mao and Misbun?

I guess Li Mao worked on Lee's speed,power and reflex as well as tactics and overall skill.

Misbun, I believe imparted that special Misbun magic feel that Misbun possessed at the start of his career. Malaysian who had seen Misbun in his heydays know this not to mention Morten Frost, Liem Swee King, Icuk, Prakash and Han Jian.

That magic includes those wristy delayed lobs, cross court chop, cross net drops.

Han Jian in his Star column in the 80s said that Misbun's had the best of what he called "attacking" lobs amongst Morten , Yang Yang, Liem and Rudy. This 'attcking' lob is the delayed punch clear to the base line which confuses the opponent as whether to return a lob or smash. you can see this in the game between LCW and LD in JO and against Taufik.

[eaglehelang]

eaglehelang

yes Misbun is a damn good coach, Roslin won Japan open in 2001, Hafiz the AE in 2003 and now Lee Chong Wei.

On your question of Li Mao and Misbun?

I guess Li Mao worked on Lee's speed,power and reflex as well as tactics and overall skill.

Misbun, I believe imparted that special Misbun magic feel that Misbun possessed at the start of his career. Malaysian who had seen Misbun in his heydays know this not to mention Morten Frost, Liem Swee King, Icuk, Prakash and Han Jian.

That magic includes those wristy delayed lobs, cross court chop, cross net drops.

Han Jian in his Star column in the 80s said that Misbun's had the best of what he called "attacking" lobs amongst Morten , Yang Yang, Liem and Rudy. This 'attcking' lob is the delayed punch clear to the base line which confuses the opponent as whether to return a lob or smash. you can see this in the game between LCW and LD in JO and against Taufik.


1) TQ, Misbun's playing days was waaayyy before my time :D.
I was wondering why people said Misbun not so good coach if compared to Li Mao when after just a couple months under Misbun LCW upped his game.
I believe Misbun has helped LCW tactically and Li Mao technical aspects.

Or Hafiz aka Mr Yoyo spoiled Misbun's reputation....

2) Roslin was also World No 1 at one time I think.

[ye333]

Agree with you! The success (if we can call it "success" now... or maybe I should say "the rising to top level": beating 5 decent opponents in such an easy way, even LD cannot do better) of LCW should be contributed to both Li Mao and Misbun. LCW is lucky in the sense that he has been trained by best coaches of two different styles, and he managed to learn much from both. :cool:

Misbun alone cannot do the magic. Sorry Malaysian fans, I really think Hafiz was quite lucky in AE 2003, CH suffered his usual "mind shut-down" half way in the match. :)

Suggestion: all Mas players should start with Chinese coaches and train Chinese style. When they are say 20, they can choose their own coach. :D


eaglehelang

yes Misbun is a damn good coach, Roslin won Japan open in 2001, Hafiz the AE in 2003 and now Lee Chong Wei.

On your question of Li Mao and Misbun?

I guess Li Mao worked on Lee's speed,power and reflex as well as tactics and overall skill.

Misbun, I believe imparted that special Misbun magic feel that Misbun possessed at the start of his career. Malaysian who had seen Misbun in his heydays know this not to mention Morten Frost, Liem Swee King, Icuk, Prakash and Han Jian.

That magic includes those wristy delayed lobs, cross court chop, cross net drops.

Han Jian in his Star column in the 80s said that Misbun's had the best of what he called "attacking" lobs amongst Morten , Yang Yang, Liem and Rudy. This 'attcking' lob is the delayed punch clear to the base line which confuses the opponent as whether to return a lob or smash. you can see this in the game between LCW and LD in JO and against Taufik.

[robin7]

Can someone describe how Hafiz beat CH his AE03? How did Roslin win his JO01?

[sonnymak]

eaglehelang

To appreciate Misbun's game, go to badminton video sharing in this forum at page 2. Look for 1982 world cup. Down load set 1 and set 3,That's the match between Misbun and Liem Swee king. too bad we cant download set 2 becuase of some technical fault. Use VLC media player to play it.

Also go to you tube and type "badminton 1983 grand prix misbun" there is part of his game there against icuk but quality quite bad.

Go to Veoh and search Badminton 1986 Thomas Cup Icuk Misbun but this game he played badly.

but people of my generation remember his game in 1988 Thomas cup against Icuk Sugiarto 2nd Set and you will see what LCW new game is all about. Still trying to get the video of the entire 5 matches between indonesia and Malaysia.

[OneToughBirdie]

Too much conspiracy theory on LD losing to BCL to avoid playing LCW…we do not have the video to see play-by-play but the 3-set between LD and BCL does not suggest a fixed match. If the match was fixed, I would expect a straight set to rest BCL against an injured LCW. Simply put, on this Paris nights, LCW was formidable and there was nothing BCL and CJ could do.

Watch the match between BCL and LCW. Late in the second set, that LCW net drop shot retrieve (score 19-14 or something???) catching a stunned BCL out of position, was reminiscence of a classic ZJH trademark….what a beauty!!!

Misbun’s cool, calm demeanor suits LCW like ying yang, it is quite a touching sight to see LCW went straight to Misbun after he won and Misbun smiling like a papa hugging his son… LCW rally style has Misbun's signature all over it and now with 2 equally superb styles, OLY08 gold is hopeful, keep my fingers crossed that the mental part of the game of being rated co-favorite does not screw it up.

Prematurely, saying LCW will be WC and OLY champ or win this-and-that is putting more unneeded pressure to jinx him as if we never learn from the past and more like counting the chicks before the mama chick even goes on a blind date with papa chick (never mind the part “before they are hatched”)…hehehe!!!

I have followed MAS badminton for a long time from time growing up in MAS. Whether LCW win or not win majors before finishing up his career, I opine he is the second best MAS MS player I have ever seen, trouble is I could not figure out who is the best.

[alfa-2]

eaglehelang

To appreciate Misbun's game, go to badminton video sharing in this forum at page 2. Look for 1982 world cup. Down load set 1 and set 3,That's the match between Misbun and Liem Swee king. too bad we cant download set 2 becuase of some technical fault. Use VLC media player to play it.

Also go to you tube and type "badminton 1983 grand prix misbun" there is part of his game there against icuk but quality quite bad.

Go to Veoh and search Badminton 1986 Thomas Cup Icuk Misbun but this game he played badly.

but people of my generation remember his game in 1988 Thomas cup against Icuk Sugiarto 2nd Set and you will see what LCW new game is all about. Still trying to get the video of the entire 5 matches between indonesia and Malaysia.

watched 1983 Grand Prix of Misbun in youtube. wow Misbun had solid defense like LCW.........especially that long rally which Misbun won in the 1st game. starting from minute 3:55. check it out...........http://youtube.com/watch?v=xsZGpnXzy5c

[robin7]

Can someone describe how Hafiz beat CH his AE03? How did Roslin win his JO01?
I managed to watch the highlight of All England 2003 MS Final. Amazing Hafiz beat Chen Hong in straight sets 17-14, 15-10.:eek:

[ye333]

What I remember is the following: CH played comfortably in the 1st game but "shutdown" towards the end. In the 2nd game CH was lost, making many mistakes.


I managed to watch the highlight of All England 2003 MS Final. Amazing Hafiz beat Chen Hong in straight sets 17-14, 15-10.:eek:

[zqloy]

Can someone describe how Hafiz beat CH his AE03? How did Roslin win his JO01?

CH was actually leading quite alot in the 1st game but choked.

[jug8man]

Lin Dan lost to Bao Chun Lai in Rubber sets.

IMHO it should have been fair contest. If you can't accept China not match fixing......... then try to consider this case as an exception. let it rest.

[V3i HoN6]

I managed to watch the highlight of All England 2003 MS Final. Amazing Hafiz beat Chen Hong in straight sets 17-14, 15-10.:eek:
To me that game is a classic.
Not because of Hafiz won, but a display of 2 different style in the battle.
Hafiz played extremely beautiful badminton in that game and toying CH around.

[Pemuda]

Can someone describe how Hafiz beat CH his AE03? How did Roslin win his JO01?

They showed up on that day of the final and made fewer mistakes than their opponents.

[pjswift]

Lin Dan was sent to test LCW in Japan open... noticed how he was playing basically quite similar to Bao's style(try to see that, it's not difficult), and Bao was on court side watching and giving advice to Lin Dan.

Now they sent Bao to the final with LCW, partially due to the fact that Bao does need more ranking point considering Bao, CJ and CY do need more ranking points to secure the remaining 2 spots of the top 4... as #1 is Lin Dan's, and when they noticed LCW beat CJ... they have to let Bao get up there or there will be a larger gap between Bao and LCW which doesn't help China secure 3 out of the top 4 spot.

Just look at Gao/ZB's case, it is the same thing... you really think China worries about hurting Gao/ZB's image if they were to lose to Flandy/Vita???
CHN players were in such poor shape in JO that LYB preferred to disappear.If donating ranking points is the reason, then why didn't it happen in DO final?The points in that match would be even more.So we can expect LD to give way to CHN MS for both CO and HKO since he does not need ranking points to stay on as WR1?
And who is GL/ZB? They are more up than down but they have no image to maintain. You see them as they are. With LD, he may not be as great as most fans think but because of his WR1 image, many players already lost before they play him for, in their minds, they deem him invincible.

[pjswift]

eaglehelang

yes Misbun is a damn good coach, Roslin won Japan open in 2001, Hafiz the AE in 2003 and now Lee Chong Wei.

On your question of Li Mao and Misbun?

I guess Li Mao worked on Lee's speed,power and reflex as well as tactics and overall skill.

Misbun, I believe imparted that special Misbun magic feel that Misbun possessed at the start of his career. Malaysian who had seen Misbun in his heydays know this not to mention Morten Frost, Liem Swee King, Icuk, Prakash and Han Jian.

That magic includes those wristy delayed lobs, cross court chop, cross net drops.

Han Jian in his Star column in the 80s said that Misbun's had the best of what he called "attacking" lobs amongst Morten , Yang Yang, Liem and Rudy. This 'attcking' lob is the delayed punch clear to the base line which confuses the opponent as whether to return a lob or smash. you can see this in the game between LCW and LD in JO and against Taufik.
It's great to have your input cos I have learnt a lot from your analysis.I'm only 5 years old in playing regular badminton and maybe 2 or 3 years here?There is much I don't know about badminton( and I believe many here could benefit from your knowledge about former greats) but i can ask questions.
One image that comes to mind about LCW is that he is a brilliant learner.He is keen to learn and easy to teach(lucky Misbun!)In a short space of time, he has made major progress in his gameplay.
How easy is it to hone new skills or rather, develop new weapons? Would sheer hard work be enough?

[pjswift]

Major points:

* BCL's fragile psyche has yet again been taken advantage of. This is the biggest failure of CHN team at French SS.

* Mr. Runnerup - didn't win any title since KO'06
- CO'06 lost to CH at final despite of beating LD at sf
- INA SS'07 lost LCW at final despite of beating TH at sf

* BCL has the techniques but his mild personality has given us an impression that he can't handle big missions
- inconsistent performances; can't handle pressure

* At French SS, BCL performed better than he was at DEN SS, at least beating LD who defeated him by a big margin last week

* LCW has replaced TH to become CHN's biggest threat at OG'08
- His defense is formidable, and he could vary his attacks
Thanks, Inky.How about some balance here? Would you pls post what they wrote about BCL after his win over LCW in DO? Also would appreciate the computerised translation.

[xymaerts]

I stongly agree with u.. He really can pause the shuttle & deliver it to the righ place by confusing his opponent with his great deception play...

But this new style also also surprise the crowd when a great deception shuttle sending to his opponent.. This 1 more exciting..


with this new style..
LCW can play more calm..
coz he dun need to rush for the shuttle..
juz hold a sec and think wat shot is more confusing..
+ if he play not too fast, there will be less mistakes too..
he really dominant all the 4 corners of the french open court...
great to see his new style works,
but i think the previous fast & furious style giv the audience more excitement..

[sonnymak]

Pj swift.

you can only improve to a point with hard work, you have to have a certain amount of talent to execute those combination of strokes.

All top 10 players can execute those strokes but due to national training philosophies, each contry emphaisze different sytles but the differences are not that marked these days.

Lin Dan also can play good rally sytle game but his inherent style is one of fast attack at the back, He also have good defence and dive to retrieve shots. But LD's body can obey LD's quick mind that's why he can reach the shuttle earlier than his opponent.

Prior to JO, LCW also played a fast attacking game with a little more skill and deft than LD but his psyche was a bit weak during pressurising moments and this made the difference between LD And LCW.

Pls note that LD always had to take 3 sets to beat LCW.

Time will tell whether LCW have slayed his own demons.

As for past greats, I would have to open another thread to discuss their style.

You can check out Misbun, Luan jin, Rudy hartono, Punch gunalan, Han Jian, Liem Swee king, Prakash Pradukone, Morten Zhao Jian Hua on you tube and Veoh and see how MS has evolved.

Too bad we cant find foo Kok Keong on youtube, the guy who gave us the cross court dive retrieval that you can see LD, LCW and some times TH doing. Maybe you should wait for IXORY uploading FKK vs Alan Budu Kusuma i badminton vid sharing thread

[pjswift]

Many thanks, sonnymak.
Appreciate the details, the tactics esp. cos I haven't developed the analytical speed for that but I can see the big picture,the overall impression.
Am afraid have to disagree on the impression about LCW's 'weak moments'.Every player suffers from that; it's a matter of frequency.All top players are mentally strong.LCW's key problem is in his tactics but that's because he has so many weapons.The possible permutations of his play means he will have so many options it's hard for him to make the best decision; this leads to the impression of his 'faltering' moments.It has taken him a long while to get a good grip on his tactics and FO probably signifies that he has reached his tactics threshold.This means he is confident of his tactics.It seemed he experimented rather well in FO to the extent that most of his smashes were inside the court;no need to go for the lines, making him line judge-proof (useful in CO and HKO)but not the sj or umpire yet.But I could be wrong since it's an overall impression.
By the way,why does LD always need 3 games to defeat LCW?

[samuel882]

Many thanks, sonnymak.
Appreciate the details, the tactics esp. cos I haven't developed the analytical speed for that but I can see the big picture,the overall impression.
Am afraid have to disagree on the impression about LCW's 'weak moments'.Every player suffers from that; it's a matter of frequency.All top players are mentally strong.LCW's key problem is in his tactics but that's because he has so many weapons.The possible permutations of his play means he will have so many options it's hard for him to make the best decision; this leads to the impression of his 'faltering' moments.It has taken him a long while to get a good grip on his tactics and FO probably signifies that he has reached his tactics threshold.This means he is confident of his tactics.It seemed he experimented rather well in FO to the extent that most of his smashes were inside the court;no need to go for the lines, making him line judge-proof (useful in CO and HKO)but not the sj or umpire yet.But I could be wrong since it's an overall impression.
By the way,why does LD always need 3 games to defeat LCW?

That's so true, while LCW managed to defeat LD in straight sets for many occasions...

[sonnymak]

LD took 3 games to down LCW in their previous matches when LD won is because LCW always play best when he is the underdog and LD had to dig into his reserves to overcome LCW.

At crucial moments LCW lost a bit focus and that is lethal when LD is on fire.

Whenever LCW meet LD one can say LCW is more consistent with his standard and LD won because he has to put in extra focus and speed than LCW.

When LD beats LCW, LD had to play 110%,and he has tat extra 10%. But you cant bring out all the reserves all the time cause sooner or later your ability to bring the reserves out go down with time.

When LD is not focussing well, LCW always win because LCW's level of play against LD has been consistent. LD has said that he must always push himself to the limits in training because LCW Peter Gade and TH are the ones who can push him to the limits.