Misbun gives Hafiz two more chances (http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/11/11/sports/19443265&sec=sports)


PETALING JAYA: National coach Misbun Sidek will not crack the whip despite Mohd Hafiz Hashim's string of poor performances this year.
Misbun's change of heart means Mohd Hafiz will get to play in both the back-to-back Super Series in China (Nov 20-25) and Hong Kong (Nov 27-Dec 2) this month. And Misbun has set a modest target for world number 19 Hafiz to reach the quarter-finals in both the championships.
“I'll give him two more chances in his bid to qualify for next year's Beijing Olympic Games,” said Misbun.
“I still think that he is in with a chance to qualify for the Olympics after assessing his performances so far,” said Misbun.
Except for a semi-final finish at the Korean Open in February, Hafiz crashed out in the early rounds of the other tournaments this year.
Last week, Misbun ran out of patience when Hafiz lost to Hong Kong's Chan Yan Kit in the French Open and thought of grounding him.
“I have changed my mind. The China and Hong Kong Opens are the last two chances for Hafiz to justify the good faith I have in him. I will be satisfied with a top eight finish.”
Misbun said that he had been too hard on Hafiz.
“He does well in training but struggles in international tournaments. He is trying ... I understand his predicament. I just have to be more patient,” said Misbun.
“It is not easy to stabilise - to get back where he was (referring to Hafiz's feat of winning the 2003 All-England title) especially after coming out of a series of knee injuries. He works hard and has even lost some fat on his waistline.
“He has also contributed to the rise of team-mate Lee Chong Wei through quality sparring sessions. We are working as a team. For now, I will motivate Hafiz to come out of this,” he added.
Hafiz has a tough job to live up to Misbun's faith in him in the China Open.
He is likely to meet either top seed Lin Dan of China or South Korean Park Sung-hwan for a place in the quarter-finals.
The draw for the Hong Kong Open will be released on Tuesday.

"has even lost some fat on his waistline"

that is so embarrassing........for a national player who is supposed to be training hard, shouldnt be having those loose tires at the waist.

mr. yoyo ah mr. yoyo, your only contribution now is as a sparring partner for lcw only lah............

"has even lost some fat on his waistline"

that is so embarrassing........for a national player who is supposed to be training hard, shouldnt be having those loose tires at the waist.

mr. yoyo ah mr. yoyo, your only contribution now is as a sparring partner for lcw only lah............

At least he is still useful for a moment of time :o.......... indeed,...MAS team is lacking of training partners.......good for the team..:D:D

“He has also contributed to the rise of team-mate Lee Chong Wei through quality sparring sessions.

If anything, I think LCW has contributed the quality sparring sessions for Mr.Yoyo as the weaker player would gain by sparring with a stronger one.

"has even lost some fat on his waistline"

that is so embarrassing........for a national player who is supposed to be training hard, shouldnt be having those loose tires at the waist.

mr. yoyo ah mr. yoyo, your only contribution now is as a sparring partner for lcw only lah............
giving the fine form of lcw, i would say hafiz is an excellent A1... sparring partner:D:p

Hafiz's second round's opponent will be LD.

Hafiz's second round's opponent will be LD.

yeah, make him lose that loose fat of his............:D:D:D

I think Misbun meant 2 more chances for this year. Next year the counter reset and Hafiz will have 15 chances more? As a coach, if you really want to mean what you say then you better do it. Misbun need to take lesson from Rexy in this department.
Misbun should not give any more excuses to Hafiz, move on to other potential candidate and let Hafiz think hard about his future as professional.

Can't compare Misbun to Rexy, different styles of coaching. Also, Rexy can be more selective due to many prospects in his MD pool. Misbun is more patient and probably Hafiz is a Nusa player. BAM coaching panels need to evaluate the situation and make the ultimatum decision, in or out !

Misbun show too much mercy to Hafiz...
thats why Hafiz always think" never mind lah"
the country still need me...

Hafiz always think" never mind lah"
the country still need me...This remain a fact as he is still among the top players in the country after LCW

This remain a fact as he is still among the top players in the country after LCW

Sure, that might have been the case but I think it is changing because the money has not been coming in enough to be happy. So the extra effort is now being put in to get going.

maybe different players have to be guided differently as each player responds differently. some cannot take harsh punishment because then they will feel not good enough. others need harsh punishment because that way they will be fired up to do better. dont know what kind of guidance hafiz needs and this is not an excuse for his poor showing of late. LCW seems to fight back all the time. hafiz seems suspended in vacuum. i am still hoping for the comeback of the player who won the all england even though so far hafiz have not shown even a sliver of hope of getting back to that high point in his badminton playing life. but i think there should be a limit. misbun should groom new players that would have potential to do well in the future. though i am not saying give up on hafiz totally. yeah, i know, i am a complicated person of many many conflict of interests. it is just sad that hafiz just fade away like this. :(

maybe different players have to be guided differently as each player responds differently. some cannot take harsh punishment because then they will feel not good enough. others need harsh punishment because that way they will be fired up to do better. dont know what kind of guidance hafiz needs and this is not an excuse for his poor showing of late. LCW seems to fight back all the time. hafiz seems suspended in vacuum. i am still hoping for the comeback of the player who won the all england even though so far hafiz have not shown even a sliver of hope of getting back to that high point in his badminton playing life. but i think there should be a limit. misbun should groom new players that would have potential to do well in the future. though i am not saying give up on hafiz totally. yeah, i know, i am a complicated person of many many conflict of interests. it is just sad that hafiz just fade away like this. :(


to be fair to him...
whole malaysia gave him chance...
i trust those bashing him, majority msian is sad
with his performance....too much disappointment....

This remain a fact as he is still among the top players in the country after LCW

If according to world rankings, he's dropping. WCH, now back from his injury is already ahead. There's also Lee TS, Roslin, Yeoh Kay Bin. Not all 4 have better performance but they show better fighting spirit. Then there're the juniors - Tan CS, Chan KB. All are vying for a place in senior squad.

Of course, Hafiz being a club player(Nusa Mahsuri), BAM can't really pressure him as hard. As least he should show more determination like his bro Roslin, or LeeTS, both also club players.

Of late, can be observed Misbun is also frustrated... maybe it's time for Hafiz to be grounded.

This remain a fact as he is still among the top players in the country after LCW

Until some msian can topple him, he is still officially and unofficially the 2nd best msia player at the moment. He definitely deserve more time not because he is Malay or he won AE before but because beside him there is no one in Msia is close to LCW standard.

Giving him more time also means giving the country more time… If he retire or being kick out of the country squad it will really take sometime for others to fill the his space.

Althought, we got seniors like Yeoh, Lee TS & Roslin, they are no where near HH standard. We got young players like Chuen Seng & etc but they still lack behind a lot to HH.

We not only give HH more time, we are giving our nation more time to develop our young players.

HH has to take all those attention+pressure so that our younger player can grow comfortably.
Just my 2cents :)

maybe different players have to be guided differently as each player responds differently. some cannot take harsh punishment because then they will feel not good enough. others need harsh punishment because that way they will be fired up to do better. dont know what kind of guidance hafiz needs and this is not an excuse for his poor showing of late. LCW seems to fight back all the time. hafiz seems suspended in vacuum. i am still hoping for the comeback of the player who won the all england even though so far hafiz have not shown even a sliver of hope of getting back to that high point in his badminton playing life. but i think there should be a limit. misbun should groom new players that would have potential to do well in the future. though i am not saying give up on hafiz totally. yeah, i know, i am a complicated person of many many conflict of interests. it is just sad that hafiz just fade away like this. :(

take all his money and make him bankrupt. then he will fight again like in AE 2003.:D:D:D

take all his money and make him bankrupt. then he will fight again like in AE 2003.:D:D:D


he joined police force still can get paycheck every month :D:D:D

Mr.Yoyo will face Super Dan in the first round of China Master (II) and Misbun should be happy if Yoyo could steal a set from the game, which I think "IMPOSSIBLE". So, Yoyo only left with one chance (HK Open) instead of two. Lets see if Yoyo will be grounded if Misbun keeps his promise. We'll see :rolleyes::cool:

Until some msian can topple him, he is still officially and unofficially the 2nd best msia player at the moment. He definitely deserve more time...




Agree... It is now up to our younger players to be hungry enough to topple HH. :):):)

If they can't topple HH, then we can't blame Misbun for giving HH more chances.

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hmmmm......maybe not being able to compete internationally will revive the hunger in hafiz. i hope misbun will stick to his word too because if he does not then the other charges will not respect him. :)

Agree... It is now up to our younger players to be hungry enough to topple HH. :):):)

If they can't topple HH, then we can't blame Misbun for giving HH more chances.

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Spot on. Hard to see how HH will be asked to stay home if no one else steps up. Misbun is trying to put some scare into HH (a bit of pressure). But at the end of the day, HH is the one who will be master of his own destiny.

HH, every now and then steps up but he needs to do that more often. I suspect it is an energy thing -- he needs to be real fit (not just fit). These days all the players in the tournaments are very fit -- going 3 sets with someone and then fading in the next match against someone else is the sort of thing he does currently. If all reports are correct, this guy is trimming his weight and his waistline -- I suspect this should see him get better.

The match will give HH alot of confidence if he wins Lindan in his homeground.

Spot on. Hard to see how HH will be asked to stay home if no one else steps up. Misbun is trying to put some scare into HH (a bit of pressure). But at the end of the day, HH is the one who will be master of his own destiny.

HH, every now and then steps up but he needs to do that more often. I suspect it is an energy thing -- he needs to be real fit (not just fit). These days all the players in the tournaments are very fit -- going 3 sets with someone and then fading in the next match against someone else is the sort of thing he does currently. If all reports are correct, this guy is trimming his weight and his waistline -- I suspect this should see him get better.
XBall, are you married?...then you would know something about energy or lack of?? Wait till HH has kid, now we are really into energy stuff big time...hehehe!!!:p:D

The match will give HH alot of confidence if he wins Lindan in his homeground.

yes it would, wouldn't it. but much as i wanted to believe hafiz can beat lin dan, based on the current performance i doubt it. i so dont want to be a pessimist. i guess he might have a sliver of a chance. small as they may be. who knows ya.......

The match will give HH alot of confidence if he wins Lindan in his homeground.

As an avid Msia fan, I'd love to see that 'miracle' happening, but dats a mountain to clim for Mr.Yoyo. It's like me taking 1 point from my idol, Taufik :D:p

Msia Boleh...!!!

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XBall, are you married?...then you would know something about energy or lack of?? Wait till HH has kid, now we are really into energy stuff big time...hehehe!!!:p:D

Sounds like you have a few on your hand and trying to cope.:D

I am glad I got only one and that is why my badminton is still full of 'Chi'.:)

Mr.Yoyo will face Super Dan in the first round of China Master (II) and Misbun should be happy if Yoyo could steal a set from the game, which I think "IMPOSSIBLE". So, Yoyo only left with one chance (HK Open) instead of two. Lets see if Yoyo will be grounded if Misbun keeps his promise. We'll see :rolleyes::cool:


Actually, I am glad he is meeting him in the 1st round when he has lots of energy. Don't you think so ?;)

he joined police force still can get paycheck every month :D:D:D

no need, there's a lot of mr.yoyo in the police force already.:D:D:D

Agree... It is now up to our younger players to be hungry enough to topple HH. :):):)

If they can't topple HH, then we can't blame Misbun for giving HH more chances.

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I think HH gives 110% when playing against our younger player to secure his place. but he will never forget to bring his yoyo to super series everytime.:D:D:D

Actually, I am glad he is meeting him in the 1st round when he has lots of energy. Don't you think so ?;)

Honestly, I see no difference. It's got nothing to do with energy, but skills, attitude and most of all, the winning mentality. Anyway, miracles do happen, yes, I'll try to convince myself... :p

Msia Boleh.,..!!!

The match will give HH alot of confidence if he wins Lindan in his homeground.

...and you means...to steal a game from LD?...i think its possible to take a game off LD:p...but for YoYo to win the match.....its simply impossible:crying:

So YoYo..pls prove me wrong..;)

Trust me, Hafiz needs a infinity changes.. hihih.. Nothing much he can do in this two tournament base on the draw. And lets wait how the press will write on this LAST two changes..
Don't expect much, beside the header of "another earlier exit" from Hafiz..bla..bla..bla..

if HH can survive Lin Dan,
he oso cant go far in the 2nd round
when he managed to topple Joachim Persson in 1st round of French Open
after losing to him in Denmark Open, I thought HH is back!!!
then lose to Chan Yan Kit....aiyo!!!!!!!!!!!

NO OFFENCE.
HH couldn't replace LCW as No. 1 in MAS camp, like BCL or CY or CY in CHN camp, or KJ in DEN.
it's unfair that everyone expect too much from him. He is much better than Yogendran or YKB of BAM, he at least the AE champion and he is even train under private club.....sparring partner of LCW....does anyone realise?

HH definitely has the potential. He is tall but not heavy. He can go far with a right coach. It seem the coaching staff can't find the right button to push and kick start the HH's engine.

NO OFFENCE.
HH couldn't replace LCW as No. 1 in MAS camp, like BCL or CY or CY in CHN camp, or KJ in DEN.
it's unfair that everyone expect too much from him. He is much better than Yogendran or YKB of BAM, he at least the AE champion and he is even train under private club.....sparring partner of LCW....does anyone realise?
Well said.HH should receive credit for being a first class sparring partner and I hope LCW will remember to acknowledge HH's contribution at some stage when he sees likewise.I believe HH enjoys sparring more than competing so he will always have value in the national team.HH has wonderful skills.He needs to understand that skills alone do not compensate for inadequate fitness when competing nowadays, even at GP Gold level.It's good to know the fats disappeared from the middle but I'm sure he can do better.The fitness trainer should work him until the sinews start to show or he begs for mercy, whichever comes first.HH is like Nalbandian (of Argentina) in tennis.When Nalbandian has a paunch,he will lose to a rookie. When the paunch disappeared, he beat Federer twice in 2 weeks.Take your pick, HH.Wanna lose to a rookie or be a champion?

HH definitely has the potential. He is tall but not heavy. He can go far with a right coach. It seem the coaching staff can't find the right button to push and kick start the HH's engine.

here's hoping the engine is not neglected beyond repair :D

Well said.HH should receive credit for being a first class sparring partner and I hope LCW will remember to acknowledge HH's contribution at some stage when he sees likewise.I believe HH enjoys sparring more than competing so he will always have value in the national team.HH has wonderful skills.He needs to understand that skills alone do not compensate for inadequate fitness when competing nowadays, even at GP Gold level.It's good to know the fats disappeared from the middle but I'm sure he can do better.The fitness trainer should work him until the sinews start to show or he begs for mercy, whichever comes first.HH is like Nalbandian (of Argentina) in tennis.When Nalbandian has a paunch,he will lose to a rookie. When the paunch disappeared, he beat Federer twice in 2 weeks.Take your pick, HH.Wanna lose to a rookie or be a champion?

ooohhh....i agree with the sparring partner thingy and i so hope the second part about the fitness is true, that the only thing that hafiz needs to do is get himself so fit he could do the triathlon. :)

Well said.HH should receive credit for being a first class sparring partner and I hope LCW will remember to acknowledge HH's contribution at some stage when he sees likewise.I believe HH enjoys sparring more than competing so he will always have value in the national team.HH has wonderful skills.He needs to understand that skills alone do not compensate for inadequate fitness when competing nowadays, even at GP Gold level.It's good to know the fats disappeared from the middle but I'm sure he can do better.The fitness trainer should work him until the sinews start to show or he begs for mercy, whichever comes first.HH is like Nalbandian (of Argentina) in tennis.When Nalbandian has a paunch,he will lose to a rookie. When the paunch disappeared, he beat Federer twice in 2 weeks.Take your pick, HH.Wanna lose to a rookie or be a champion?

I am sure the sparring with LCW has also helped HH greatly. HH plays like LCW sometimes but only sometimes may I add because he cannot execute that long enough due to his fitness.

I am dying to see when he does get fit whether he would come up better (hoping like LCW, given both are the products of Misbun's excellent coaching....now I know some of you guys are going to say they are two different people).

I am pretty sure HH's diet has changed (probably less Nasi Lemak). If he shows any indication in his first round with LD in the CO, then it could be good news. But Alfa-2, of course, would still not be convinced even if HH wins.:)

If HH really hears you guys and improves on his fitness, strength, agility, power, speed, stamina, mental toughness, etc, to even surpass LCW's, then LCW and the rest of the badminton world better watch out!

Yoyo man has overcome! The AE crown which he won years earlier and which excited so many loyal Malaysian fans and made Malaysia proud, is now history!

He may well be the next Olympic champion and even sparring mate LCW can't stop him! :rolleyes::rolleyes: ;) :D

X Ball will be astounded at such a transformation and then will have no more strength to sing praises of LCW.

What a pleasant scenario that two of Misbun's charges have made good! :)

If HH really hears you guys and improves on his fitness, strength, agility, power, speed, stamina, mental toughness, etc, to even surpass LCW's, then LCW and the rest of the badminton world better watch out!

Yoyo man has overcome! The AE crown which he won years earlier and which excited so many loyal Malaysian fans and made Malaysia proud, is now history!

He may well be the next Olympic champion and even sparring mate LCW can't stop him! :rolleyes::rolleyes: ;) :D

X Ball will be astounded at such a transformation and then will have no more strength to sing praises of LCW.

What a pleasant scenario that two of Misbun's charges have made good! :)

sounds like a good anime. :D one i would surely buy and watch for the sheer entertainment. hidden strength coming out at last......:)

If HH really hears you guys and improves on his fitness, strength, agility, power, speed, stamina, mental toughness, etc, to even surpass LCW's, then LCW and the rest of the badminton world better watch out!

Yoyo man has overcome! The AE crown which he won years earlier and which excited so many loyal Malaysian fans and made Malaysia proud, is now history!

He may well be the next Olympic champion and even sparring mate LCW can't stop him! :rolleyes::rolleyes: ;) :D

X Ball will be astounded at such a transformation and then will have no more strength to sing praises of LCW.

What a pleasant scenario that two of Misbun's charges have made good! :)


Nothing is impossible my friend. LCW was a write-off before he came good and he did not win any ALL-ENGLAND, like HH, before that.

With such failures such as HH going from very good to worse, obviously there were a lot of wrongs. If he can correct those wrongs, why can't he come back to his previous winning form ? We are not biased against him so why would I not think he can come back if he fixes his problems.

The coach has said before HH needs to get his fitness back and we have seen many times how he capitulated easily from a winning position all because of his fitness. If half of what I read is true about him losing the fats around his waistline, then I would say his chances are good in the coming two tournaments. HH has height, speed (but not sustainable due to his fitness), strokes, smash,and cunniness.

I would say HH would give LD a hard time in the CO -- it will not be an easy win for LD and if HH wins I would not be surprised. Such is life.

sounds like a good anime. :D one i would surely buy and watch for the sheer entertainment. hidden strength coming out at last......:)

Then, Malaysian fans and players (especially LCW) alike who became so depressed with his sudden departure will ask in jest: "Who is this man LI MAO ???" :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Then, Malaysian fans and players (especially LCW) alike who became so depressed with his sudden departure will ask in jest: "Who is this man LI MAO ???" :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Yeah what happened to Li Mao ? Is he still singles coach for Korea ?

Li Mao went into hiding in Korea. He is still coaching there.

I'm sure Hafiz can do it. And i do hope he will do better.. not worse.

Only difference is that HH is like a fairytale gone wrong.

In 2002 he beat Bao Chunlai in 6 games to put Malaysia ahead in the Thomas Cup semis.

Then he became the youngest Commonwealth MS champion, beating the likes of WCH and LCW.

In 2003, he won All-England by beating Chen Hong in straight games, despite being 9-14 down.

After that, he went down, and never got back to his peak.

if HH can survive Lin Dan,
he oso cant go far in the 2nd round
when he managed to topple Joachim Persson in 1st round of French Open
after losing to him in Denmark Open, I thought HH is back!!!
then lose to Chan Yan Kit....aiyo!!!!!!!!!!!

i believe he also lost to CYK in ABC this year.:cool: nothing new.........

HH definitely has the potential. He is tall but not heavy. He can go far with a right coach. It seem the coaching staff can't find the right button to push and kick start the HH's engine.

oh, i think he is not light, can see by the way he moves..........:D:D:D

oh, i think he is not light, can see by the way he moves..........:D:D:Din that case, why stretch the agony, bring in
some new blood to compete for a national position.

New blood still cannot beat him.. thats the reason.

in that case, why stretch the agony, bring in
some new blood to compete for a national position.

he is with a private club, Nusa Mahsuri. BAM can't do anything. I wish that MAS has more talents like CHN.

in that case, why stretch the agony, bring in
some new blood to compete for a national position.
talking about new blood, TCS? Ken Lim? CWF? :confused: ha they can't even beat WCH or Roslin:crying:....i think HH is still the no. 3 in MAS ranking;)

Only difference is that HH is like a fairytale gone wrong.

In 2002 he beat Bao Chunlai in 6 games to put Malaysia ahead in the Thomas Cup semis.

Then he became the youngest Commonwealth MS champion, beating the likes of WCH and LCW.

In 2003, he won All-England by beating Chen Hong in straight games, despite being 9-14 down.

After that, he went down, and never got back to his peak.

He beat WCH and Lee Tsuen Seng. not LCW. He actually lost to LCW in Malaysia Games (SUKMA) but LCW wasn't established enough yet so LCW din go to that Commonwealth games.

The more life lines we throw to him the more disappointment we get and more resources are wasted, he has yet to deliver since 2003 and I think 4 long years is fair enough to say Hafiz desire to win is non-existence. I can't imagine top notch player doesn't work on fitness as priority unless he is not serious. Time to move on and concentrate on the youngsters, they may not be the same level as Hafiz now and may stumble along the way but I rather take this unknown chances than the one already proven again and again on Hafiz.
Hafiz did bring glory to our nation and we have supported him for very long time, time to move on for future prospect, don't live on the past just let it be out sweet memory like Thomos Cup 1992(already 15 years)

talking about new blood, TCS? Ken Lim? CWF? :confused: ha they can't even beat WCH or Roslin:crying:....i think HH is still the no. 3 in MAS ranking;)hmm i think Han had elaborated what i intended to say. I dont expect new blood to be an instant success onto world competitive scene. U pick the best few and let them have some international experience. Eventually 1 would rise up as they would be all hungry to prove up themself. HH has no hunger to win it seem. HH maybe good for LCW's career but what come after lcw? There is no succession planning it seem.

Sound advice,

I can't believe everybody else is still propping this guy up. It seems obvious that his only value is as a sparring partner nowadays. Fine keep him in the national team as a sparring partner but don't waste a penny more sending him to international competitions.

The argument that there is no one else has been heard time and time again, but essentially you will go nowhere if u keep rewarding poor performance. You are spoiling the player by giving him chances w/o any accountability. This is not how you improve your players. If they can't handle the pressure to improve how will they ever compete on the world stage.

LD or Taufik are not going to say "it's okay there's always the next point, try again ok". They will hammer the nail into the coffin.

You have to take a chance on new players and treat them fairly but make them accountable, talent notwithstanding. A good player with good attitude and mentality will benefit the national team far more than a great player w/ bad attitude and no results. In fact you need the players w/ a good mentality to push those w/ more talent and less drive. A new junior player w/ the proper drive and mentaility will overtake the senior player w/ greater talent and bad mentality.

Let's face it Malaysian players doen't lack for talent, what they need is to develop the winning instinct. You will never get there by being soft on the player and not making them accountable.


The more life lines we throw to him the more disappointment we get and more resources are wasted, he has yet to deliver since 2003 and I think 4 long years is fair enough to say Hafiz desire to win is non-existence. I can't imagine top notch player doesn't work on fitness as priority unless he is not serious. Time to move on and concentrate on the youngsters, they may not be the same level as Hafiz now and may stumble along the way but I rather take this unknown chances than the one already proven again and again on Hafiz.
Hafiz did bring glory to our nation and we have supported him for very long time, time to move on for future prospect, don't live on the past just let it be out sweet memory like Thomos Cup 1992(already 15 years)

Let's face it Malaysian players doen't lack for talent, what they need is to develop the winning instinct. You will never get there by being soft on the player and not making them accountable.

Agree with most of your valid points. As a Msian and Kelantanese myself, I hate to see his performance plunged since winning AE few yrs ago. I was sitting in front row during SG Open watching the game (Hafiz vs Boonsak), and oh boy, I was not only dissapointed but heart broken with his on-court attitude and mentality. He had shown no fighting spirits and as u know, we used to produced FooKokKeong and WCH who had shown "never-say-die" attitude who made us proud.

Another valid point is that Msia cant afford to sideline him coz the newcomers are not up to the mark yet. Tell me, who is the 2nd best single player in Msia who can challenge the world best? WCH? He is aging and "veteran". Roslin? He should stay in "museum". The rest, NA (Not Applicable). So, tell me, if u were the chief coach, would u take the risk to let Mr.Yoyo grounded? I wouldnt, not till I see the rise in the new batch... Now, it depends on Rashid coz he takes care of the new bloods.

Msia Boleh...!!!

I am sure MAS team will have a huge restructure on their set-ups .. But that is only come after Olympics 2008. While many of BCers blaming MAS for seldom or rather not sending enough juniors to participate in many tournaments, please bear in mind that any juniors players need to gain enough point in order to get urself for even a place in the qualifying round.

Looks at the recent concludes Vietnam Open, MAS national team sending alots of Juniors & HH stayed home. Although eventually the MS Champions goes to Roslin, but it is a good sign & this is not the first time BAM sending their juniors MS squad aboard.

It needs time to groom the Juniors & also as much exposure to international circuit in order for them to be maturalized.
Looks at TWK/WKW, the sole XD representative of MAS for many SS, even they failed to bring any results, but BAM still send them to as many SS possible. This is a sign of trust on them.
You can't compare MAS Juniors with Chinese Juniors, they emerge fast, in their younger ages. Many Chinese kids start their "Formal" badminton training since 5-6 years old. This is probably due to the study system were indifferent for both countries.

Sound advice,

I can't believe everybody else is still propping this guy up. It seems obvious that his only value is as a sparring partner nowadays. Fine keep him in the national team as a sparring partner but don't waste a penny more sending him to international competitions.

The argument that there is no one else has been heard time and time again, but essentially you will go nowhere if u keep rewarding poor performance. You are spoiling the player by giving him chances w/o any accountability. This is not how you improve your players. If they can't handle the pressure to improve how will they ever compete on the world stage.

LD or Taufik are not going to say "it's okay there's always the next point, try again ok". They will hammer the nail into the coffin.

You have to take a chance on new players and treat them fairly but make them accountable, talent notwithstanding. A good player with good attitude and mentality will benefit the national team far more than a great player w/ bad attitude and no results. In fact you need the players w/ a good mentality to push those w/ more talent and less drive. A new junior player w/ the proper drive and mentaility will overtake the senior player w/ greater talent and bad mentality.

Let's face it Malaysian players doen't lack for talent, what they need is to develop the winning instinct. You will never get there by being soft on the player and not making them accountable.

much as i dont want to, i kinda agree with most of what you say. and as much as i want to keep supporting hafiz and giving him a fighting chance in all those SS, i realize maybe that might not be what is best for him. maybe if a junior can finally threaten his position as the top three MS player in Malaysia will he either fight back or retire entirely. sigh....whatever it is, hafiz is a dilemma for malaysia. :)

Frustrated Hafiz vows to meet last-eight target :cool::rolleyes::confused:;)


PETALING JAYA: Men’s singles shuttler Mohd Hafiz Hashim is ready to end the year with good showings in one of the two Open tournaments this month.
National coach Misbun Sidek has set Hafiz a quarter-final target in both the China Open, which starts on Wednesday, and the Hong Kong Open from Dec 28-Dec 2.

These are the last two tournaments for Hafiz, who is going through one of the worst years of his career so far.

His poor showing has also affected his earnings for this year. Except for a semi-final finish at the Korean Open, Hafiz has crashed out in the early rounds of every other tournament.

“I am not satisfied with my own game. I cannot go on like this. It is affecting my income as a player,” said Hafiz, the 2003 All-England champion.

“I want to get back that feeling of winning titles again. It is demoralising to lose every time. What makes it even more frustrating it that I do give my best in training.

“I have to continue working on my physical condition. But I know that I will get back my touch one day. I have faith in myself.”

Based on the draw for the coming Open tournaments, Hafiz’s bid to revive his career with his best ever showing is likely to come unstuck.

In the China Open, Hafiz, the world number No 19, is expected to meet either top seed Lin Dan of China or South Korea’s Park Sung-hwan in the second round.

In the Hong Kong Open, he has a first-round encounter with Indonesian Simon Santoso.

“The Opens in China and Hong Kong are the last two chances for me. The draw is tough but reaching the quarter-finals will be a great achievement in these challenging Super Series events,” he said.
He stands to pick up US$5,000 if he reaches the last eight.

Misbun knows more than anyone else that there is no more hope for Hafiz. Giving him two more chances is a kind gesture to allow him exit gracefully.

Frustrated Hafiz vows to meet last-eight target :cool::rolleyes::confused:;)


PETALING JAYA: Men’s singles shuttler Mohd Hafiz Hashim is ready to end the year with good showings in one of the two Open tournaments this month.
National coach Misbun Sidek has set Hafiz a quarter-final target in both the China Open, which starts on Wednesday, and the Hong Kong Open from Dec 28-Dec 2.

These are the last two tournaments for Hafiz, who is going through one of the worst years of his career so far.

His poor showing has also affected his earnings for this year. Except for a semi-final finish at the Korean Open, Hafiz has crashed out in the early rounds of every other tournament.

“I am not satisfied with my own game. I cannot go on like this. It is affecting my income as a player,” said Hafiz, the 2003 All-England champion.

“I want to get back that feeling of winning titles again. It is demoralising to lose every time. What makes it even more frustrating it that I do give my best in training.

“I have to continue working on my physical condition. But I know that I will get back my touch one day. I have faith in myself.”

Based on the draw for the coming Open tournaments, Hafiz’s bid to revive his career with his best ever showing is likely to come unstuck.

In the China Open, Hafiz, the world number No 19, is expected to meet either top seed Lin Dan of China or South Korea’s Park Sung-hwan in the second round.

In the Hong Kong Open, he has a first-round encounter with Indonesian Simon Santoso.

“The Opens in China and Hong Kong are the last two chances for me. The draw is tough but reaching the quarter-finals will be a great achievement in these challenging Super Series events,” he said.
He stands to pick up US$5,000 if he reaches the last eight.

Headline should be "Frustrated fan want Hafiz to deliver thru action, not vows". Hafiz, "JUST DO IT!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:"

Hafiz is in his vociferous way telling everyone he is sick of listening to you guys 'crap' about him losing his way. He is saying in no uncertain terms (trying to boost himself since he gets none from you lousy fans) that he will return, no thanks to all unfaithful fans. :)

Reading the newspaper article, I dare say he will beat LD next.

Hafiz is in his vociferous way telling everyone he is sick of listening to you guys 'crap' about him losing his way. He is saying in no uncertain terms (trying to boost himself since he gets none from you lousy fans) that he will return, no thanks to all unfaithful fans. :)

Reading the newspaper article, I dare say he will beat LD next.so, if he wins, would us fans credit for razzing on him?:p We deserve something too if he does better:p

so, if he wins, would us fans credit for razzing on him?:p We deserve something too if he does better:p

Of course, do we expect anything different ? Coz lousy fans will always be lousy fans -- they will always claim credit for his improvement.:D

Hafiz is in his vociferous way telling everyone he is sick of listening to you guys 'crap' about him losing his way. He is saying in no uncertain terms (trying to boost himself since he gets none from you lousy fans) that he will return, no thanks to all unfaithful fans. :)

Reading the newspaper article, I dare say he will beat LD next.

hehehhee..........a good malaysian supporter indeed.:D:D:D

Don't ever trust what Hafiz say.. He had been saying this from year 2003 on wards.. TRUST me.. is another earlier exit for him in the up coming 's tournament..

“I am not satisfied with my own game. I cannot go on like this. It is affecting my income as a player,” said Hafiz, the 2003 All-England champion.

He stands to pick up US$5,000 if he reaches the last eight.
It sounds like he is playing for the money.:(

Don't ever trust what Hafiz say.. He had been saying this from year 2003 on wards.. TRUST me.. is another earlier exit for him in the up coming 's tournament..
Then what do you expect him to say? Something like ' I expect to lose but I'm playing because coach is giving me the chance.' Why would any player go into a match with a mindset to lose? HH's mistake is being ignorant of how fast and easy it is to lose shape but how slow and difficult it is to get back into shape.
Many tournaments ago,BAM might have 'saved' HH if it had barred him from competing unless he had passed a tough fitness test.What's the point of sending seniors with the stamina for only 1 or 2 matches? Better for him to concentrate on GP Gold to develop the conditioning of playing more than 2 consecutive matches.Although even GP Gold is also not easy in the run up to OG08.

It sounds like he is playing for the money.:(


Yes! He is thinking like a family man now. Besides being a professional, he needs more money now since he got married recently and prolly starting a family soon. Since getting married can't inspired him, maybe getting a kid will, like TH... LOL :D:D:D:cool::cool::cool::eek::eek::eek:

hehehhee..........a good malaysian supporter indeed.:D:D:D


You cannot eat satay with me if you do not concur !:D;)

Don't ever trust what Hafiz say.. He had been saying this from year 2003 on wards.. TRUST me.. is another earlier exit for him in the up coming 's tournament..


I am prepared to give him two more chances like Misbun. ;)

I prefer him to say nothing... Just prove it... No point for him to bla bla bla.. and each time suffer and earlier exit. Don't u boring since from year 2003 till not still same the same thing..?

Then what do you expect him to say? Something like ' I expect to lose but I'm playing because coach is giving me the chance.' Why would any player go into a match with a mindset to lose? HH's mistake is being ignorant of how fast and easy it is to lose shape but how slow and difficult it is to get back into shape.
Many tournaments ago,BAM might have 'saved' HH if it had barred him from competing unless he had passed a tough fitness test.What's the point of sending seniors with the stamina for only 1 or 2 matches? Better for him to concentrate on GP Gold to develop the conditioning of playing more than 2 consecutive matches.Although even GP Gold is also not easy in the run up to OG08.

I prefer him to say nothing... Just prove it... No point for him to bla bla bla.. and each time suffer and earlier exit. Don't u boring since from year 2003 till not still same the same thing..?

I concur, let the action do all the talking, doesn't mean you have to go in with then "losing" attitude but stop giving vows after vows, you lose more fan and respect that way.
Beating Lin Dan in China? I am just happy if he can put up a decent fight and if he's such a good sparring partner for Chong Wei then why it can't be the other way around?

Hafiz is in his vociferous way telling everyone he is sick of listening to you guys 'crap' about him losing his way. He is saying in no uncertain terms (trying to boost himself since he gets none from you lousy fans) that he will return, no thanks to all unfaithful fans. :)

Reading the newspaper article, I dare say he will beat LD next.

That is a brave statement to make beating LD in CHN, I would consider an achievement if HH can take 8 points in each game from LD...but hope your prediction comes true...if HH beat LD in CHN...actually that is not a fair bet, let say if HH can take one game from LD I buy you 20 sticks of satay and if HH actually beat LD in CHN, the stake goes up to 40 sticks of satay, ...just keep a tally till the day we meet up in MAS...wanna bet???:D

Maybe after the LD vs Hafiz match, LYB will ask Hafiz to join team China since he is such a good sparring partner.:p

If Hafiz can beat LD in this China Open... I will definitely change my login name to "eat banana" from then on!!!

It sounds like he is playing for the money.:(


everybody play for money now...
not for charity........
of coz nation and personal glory comes along :D:D:D

Maybe after the LD vs Hafiz match, LYB will ask Hafiz to join team China since he is such a good sparring partner.:p

If Hafiz can beat LD in this China Open... I will definitely change my login name to "eat banana" from then on!!!


China already had many good players to be sparring partners...
marked your word ok, bro....:D:D:D

China already had many good players to be sparring partners...
marked your word ok, bro....:D:D:D

It seems like Malaysia is claiming that Hafiz is the world's best sparring partner though... so just maybe LYB is interested in raising his team's level of play as well + Hafiz probably won't be good enough to interfere with LYB's Men Singles' Olympic plan anyways.

Always will... it back fired on me last time...:p
Gotta make up for that lost from last time.:cool:

Hafiz is in his vociferous way telling everyone he is sick of listening to you guys 'crap' about him losing his way. He is saying in no uncertain terms (trying to boost himself since he gets none from you lousy fans) that he will return, no thanks to all unfaithful fans. :)

Reading the newspaper article, I dare say he will beat LD next.

Mr X Ball, I hope you have thoroughly scrutinized your crystal ball to make such an assertion!

Are we betting on satay again??? I'm all game for it! :):):)

HH is getting too many chances from BAM + government...have you ever heard Dato' Azalina ask BAM for written report on his poor performance???

Just look at Nicol David, despite winning 8 titles out of 11 that she took part this year, Dato' Azalina wants report on her recent loss in WC...it is like, becoming world no. 1 means Nicol David can't lost...and I don't remember Dato' Azalina went to airport to welcome her back after Nicol becoming the world champion...correct me if i m wrong...

What a double standard....

HH is getting too many chances from BAM + government...have you ever heard Dato' Azalina ask BAM for written report on his poor performance???

Just look at Nicol David, despite winning 8 titles out of 11 that she took part this year, Dato' Azalina wants report on her recent loss in WC...it is like, becoming world no. 1 means Nicol David can't lost...and I don't remember Dato' Azalina went to airport to welcome her back after Nicol becoming the world champion...correct me if i m wrong...

What a double standard....

BTW, what happened to Punch Gunalan? Still not recovered from the KO punch from...? ;)

BTW, what happened to Punch Gunalan? Still not recovered from the KO punch from...? ;)

I don't get what you mean. Did I miss something in the current affairs section. Please pm or post the details cause I want the juice on that story :D

BTW, what happened to Punch Gunalan? Still not recovered from the KO punch from...? ;)

Ar??????? Nothing to do with Punch....I don't get u, hahaha.

It seems like Malaysia is claiming that Hafiz is the world's best sparring partner though... so just maybe LYB is interested in raising his team's level of play as well + Hafiz probably won't be good enough to interfere with LYB's Men Singles' Olympic plan anyways.

Always will... it back fired on me last time...:p
Gotta make up for that lost from last time.:cool:
Oh come on, let's put words in Malaysian mouth and finding way to bash them. Yeah!!! Let's provoke them by making all the stupid assumptions like LYB would want to take HH to China and everything.

Seriously when are you gonna stop behaving like a kid?

That is a brave statement to make beating LD in CHN, I would consider an achievement if HH can take 8 points in each game from LD...but hope your prediction comes true...if HH beat LD in CHN...actually that is not a fair bet, let say if HH can take one game from LD I buy you 20 sticks of satay and if HH actually beat LD in CHN, the stake goes up to 40 sticks of satay, ...just keep a tally till the day we meet up in MAS...wanna bet???:D


Ok mate. You are on !!!:D Thanks for your generosity. Of course, what is 100 sticks (USD$25) anyway to you ?

Hafiz is in his vociferous way telling everyone he is sick of listening to you guys 'crap' about him losing his way. He is saying in no uncertain terms (trying to boost himself since he gets none from you lousy fans) that he will return, no thanks to all unfaithful fans. :)

Reading the newspaper article, I dare say he will beat LD next.

Mr X Ball, I hope you have thoroughly scrutinized your crystal ball to make such an assertion!

Are we betting on satay again??? I'm all game for it! :):):)

Loh, always Kashing-in on a good thing, huh. The odds are : 10 sticks if HH loses but big dinner and beer session at Clarke Quay if he wins -- ok ? Is it on my friend ?:D Or are you scared he might win and have to buy dinner and drinks (we can cap it to S$100)? :)

Oh come on, let's put words in Malaysian mouth and finding way to bash them. Yeah!!! Let's provoke them by making all the stupid assumptions like LYB would want to take HH to China and everything.

Seriously when are you gonna stop behaving like a kid?

Seriously... you don't really think I meant what I posted about Hafiz being the world's best sparring partner thing here...:rolleyes: why would LYB want Hafiz for real...

Take it easy, buddy.

He is really a crap player. Well he can be a good sparring partner but that is not good enough. May be he should retire and let some juniors get the chance to be exposed in the international tournament.

Ar??????? Nothing to do with Punch....I don't get u, hahaha.

Sorry for waylaying both you and our Sabah (?) friend. Just that you mentioned a very powerful lady ... ;)

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Loh, always Kashing-in on a good thing, huh. The odds are : 10 sticks if HH loses but big dinner and beer session at Clarke Quay if he wins -- ok ? Is it on my friend ?:D Or are you scared he might win and have to buy dinner and drinks (we can cap it to S$100)? :)

Since you have the audacity to make such a bold statement that "HH will beat LD next", you should not step back and ask for odds or handicap in your case.

If you want a good dinner and celebrate your 'perceived win' with beer, you should likewise offer the same if you lose.

I will honour on fair play, an Olympian spirit to remind us of its importance in our day and time!

Do I hear yes, since you will be coming down during Christmas, as I recalled. :):):)

Sorry for waylaying both you and our Sabah (?) friend. Just that you mentioned a very powerful lady ... ;)

Yes, from Sabah. Sabah is correct ;)

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Since you have the audacity to make such a bold statement that "HH will beat LD next", you should not step back and ask for odds or handicap in your case.

If you want a good dinner and celebrate your 'perceived win' with beer, you should likewise offer the same if you lose.

I will honour on fair play, an Olympian spirit to remind us of its importance in our day and time!

Do I hear yes, since you will be coming down during Christmas, as I recalled. :):):)


Hey Loh, read post #75. This guy (OneToughBirdie) is a real gentleman. Act like him. Whilst I think HH may win, the odds are against him. Even the bookies offer odds (and fair ones). Otherwise I think you personify the word 'KIASU'. ;)

I think for this Christmas I might go Perth. Still planning.

Sorry for waylaying both you and our Sabah (?) friend. Just that you mentioned a very powerful lady ... ;)
hahaha, dear Uncle Loh, then you are making the wind blow strong and the hornbill fly high:D:D:D

Ok, i just donno what kind of logic she has....asking world no. 1 to give report for failing to retain her world title for the 3rd consecutive year (and after 2nd consecutive defeat)...i mean, no 1 can be a winner forever, there are ups n downs....but look at HH, no international title in 4 consecutive years, our Dato don even say a single thing...hmmm....fishy rite? What is her logic, Uncle, could you please explain?:p

hahaha, dear Uncle Loh, then you are making the wind blow strong and the hornbill fly high:D:D:D

Ok, i just donno what kind of logic she has....asking world no. 1 to give report for failing to retain her world title for the 3rd consecutive year (and after 2nd consecutive defeat)...i mean, no 1 can be a winner forever, there are ups n downs....but look at HH, no international title in 4 consecutive years, our Dato don even say a single thing...hmmm....fishy rite? What is her logic, Uncle, could you please explain?:p

I am not trying to defend Datuk but I think Nicol is high profile -- everybody wants to know why she flopped when she flops. Also, I understand a lot of money is channeled into her training budget (based out of Holland). God knows how much but I am pretty sure it is a lot. Once success is achieved, she is under srcutiny coz they will spend even more money in it to sustain the wins. Hafiz is not in the same league in terms of spending so basically very hard to compare but there is still pressure on him nonetheless -- Misbun has given 2 chances only to HH.

So I would not draw too much into this unnecessary.:)

hahaha, dear Uncle Loh, then you are making the wind blow strong and the hornbill fly high:D:D:D

Ok, i just donno what kind of logic she has....asking world no. 1 to give report for failing to retain her world title for the 3rd consecutive year (and after 2nd consecutive defeat)...i mean, no 1 can be a winner forever, there are ups n downs....but look at HH, no international title in 4 consecutive years, our Dato don even say a single thing...hmmm....fishy rite? What is her logic, Uncle, could you please explain?:p

Hehe, Land Below the Wind (Sabah) and Land of the Hornbills (Sarawak & the Cat City) Eh?

I am not trying to defend Datuk but I think Nicol is high profile -- everybody wants to know why she flopped when she flops. Also, I understand a lot of money is channeled into her training budget (based out of Holland). God knows how much but I am pretty sure it is a lot. Once success is achieved, she is under srcutiny coz they will spend even more money in it to sustain the wins. Hafiz is not in the same league in terms of spending so basically very hard to compare but there is still pressure on him nonetheless -- Misbun has given 2 chances only to HH.

So I would not draw too much into this unnecessary.:)

Yup, the gov. channeled money to her, i believe the gov. channeled money to BAM, too + national football team...:D

Nothing wrong if we question players when they flopped...Nicol loss 2 matches consecutively, n bounced back strongly to take another 2 titles (not sure 1 or 2)...from what Dato' Azalina said, the indication is that, Nicol cant afford to lose, if Nicol flops, then we waste money, BUT, what about other sports...

Don't you think, the money we spent on her PAY BACK???

Anyway, i m not here to argue, i m just 'bei song' with the 'treatment' granted by our Dato'....

and I am clear that, this is BC, not SC :cool:

Hehe, Land Below the Wind (Sabah) and Land of the Hornbills (Sarawak & the Cat City) Eh?
Clever........:D

Yup, the gov. channeled money to her, i believe the gov. channeled money to BAM, too + national football team...:D

Nothing wrong if we question players when they flopped...Nicol loss 2 matches consecutively, n bounced back strongly to take another 2 titles (not sure 1 or 2)...from what Dato' Azalina said, the indication is that, Nicol cant afford to lose, if Nicol flops, then we waste money, BUT, what about other sports...

Don't you think, the money we spent on her PAY BACK???

Anyway, i m not here to argue, i m just 'bei song' with the 'treatment' granted by our Dato'....

and I am clear that, this is BC, not SC :cool:


Don't believe everything written -- it may not have been said by her. They are helping Nicol achieved very good status -- giving everything she wants so you should feel good about this. Nobody is getting what Nicol is getting, just remember that. So feel 'SONG', not 'BEI SONG'.

Don't believe everything written -- it may not have been said by her. They are helping Nicol achieved very good status -- giving everything she wants so you should feel good about this. Nobody is getting what Nicol is getting, just remember that. So feel 'SONG', not 'BEI SONG'.
hahahahaha, u r so GOOD to Dato' Azalina:p

Ok, I feel 'SONG' now, coz you reply me nicely....but still 'Bei Song' with Dato...she mentioned it twice...but wat you said is correct, the media might magnified what she said...

Stop this issue now before we get bashing by others:D:D:D

Don't believe everything written -- it may not have been said by her. They are helping Nicol achieved very good status -- giving everything she wants so you should feel good about this. Nobody is getting what Nicol is getting, just remember that. So feel 'SONG', not 'BEI SONG'.

hmmmmmmmmm. Reporters unethically misquoting players, coaches and even ministers????????????? It is possible though.

Yup, the gov. channeled money to her, i believe the gov. channeled money to BAM, too + national football team...:D

Nothing wrong if we question players when they flopped...Nicol loss 2 matches consecutively, n bounced back strongly to take another 2 titles (not sure 1 or 2)...from what Dato' Azalina said, the indication is that, Nicol cant afford to lose, if Nicol flops, then we waste money, BUT, what about other sports...

Don't you think, the money we spent on her PAY BACK???

Anyway, i m not here to argue, i m just 'bei song' with the 'treatment' granted by our Dato'....

and I am clear that, this is BC, not SC :cool:

Frankly, we know Malaysia is world class in badminton but even in individual events, players such as Koo and Tan in doubles and LCW in singles, have not been as consistent at Nicol.

Even TBH has acknowledged publicly that Nicol's feat in 2007 is hard to emulate, much more difficult to surpass.

It was Nicol, in a less popular game like squash which is better known in the west and has still to make its way into the Olympics, who brought name and glory to Malaysia, not even badminton.

In world sports now, Malaysia is associated more with squash and Nichol. Not so much badminton or hockey. So the payback by Nichol could be considered inconsiderable!

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Hey Loh, read post #75. This guy (OneToughBirdie) is a real gentleman. Act like him. Whilst I think HH may win, the odds are against him. Even the bookies offer odds (and fair ones). Otherwise I think you personify the word 'KIASU'. ;)

I think for this Christmas I might go Perth. Still planning.

If I were KIASU, I wouldn't have taken you on in the first place. By insisting that we play level is to really test your faith and commitment in HH.

On the other hand I could have asked for odds since you were so sure that HH could win.

It now looks like your brave statement is but hot air to be blown away by the strong winds of Sabah.:D:D:D The Sarawakian hornbill has to fly even higher to avoid the rising hot air! :eek::eek::rolleyes:

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If I were KIASU, I wouldn't have taken you on in the first place. By insisting that we play level is to really test your faith and commitment in HH.

On the other hand I could have asked for odds since you were so sure that HH could win.

It now looks like your brave statement is but hot air to be blown away by the strong winds of Sabah.:D:D:D The Sarawakian hornbill has to fly even higher to avoid the rising hot air! :eek::eek::rolleyes:


Loh, everybody can see your arguments....KIASU !:D;)

Any Malaysian here thinks Loh is KIASU, and perhaps even KIASI ? :)

Ok mate. You are on !!!:D Thanks for your generosity. Of course, what is 100 sticks (USD$25) anyway to you ?

Gentlemen handshake across the ocean, witnessed by all BCers...our bet is on...if HH takes one set from LD, I lose the 20 satay sticks bet...if LD wins straight, you lose 20 to me...and an added bonus to you (which I would be glad to payup and you don't have to return the bonus offer to me), if HH actually beat LD, I double my satay to you plus a coconut and beer and kueh talam for desert.

Just save this post, I mean I gonna save this post cos' one day I get a free dinner...I know we will meet one of this day, in MO Open???

One condition, if I win, no kambing satay and...wait a minute, if LYB match fix that will null our bet and I need Cooler to defend match fixing if it happens by justifying for LYB...just kidding!!! :D

BTW, are 100 sticks of satay costs USD25, a buck for 4, a quarter for one, that is pretty cheap...it costs C$1.60 plus 5% tax for one lousy stick here!!!...hehehe!!!:D:p

Gentlemen handshake across the ocean, witnessed by all BCers...our bet is on...if HH takes one set from LD, I lose the 20 satay sticks bet...if LD wins straight, you lose 20 to me...and an added bonus to you (which I would be glad to payup and you don't have to return the bonus offer to me), if HH actually beat LD, I double my satay to you plus a coconut and beer and kueh talam for desert.

Just save this post, I mean I gonna save this post cos' one day I get a free dinner...I know we will meet one of this day, in MO Open???

One condition, if I win, no kambing satay and...wait a minute, if LYB match fix that will null our bet and I need Cooler to defend match fixing if it happens by justifying for LYB...just kidding!!! :D

BTW, are 100 sticks of satay costs USD25, a buck for 4, a quarter for one, that is pretty cheap...it costs C$1.60 plus 5% tax for one lousy stick here!!!...hehehe!!!:D:p

Hey XBall...now that I know how economical satay is in MAS, let's expand our bet, just in case I won and I want you to have a chance to recoup....if LD meets LCW in any round in CHN Open, I bet LD wins...look I am a MAS supporter, don't get me wrong and I am not belittling LCW, LCW played very well lately even beating LD straight...just that I think LD is very hard to beat in CHN....how about another 20 sticks and just to ensure there are no excuses, if LYB match fix any game and I do not need Cooler to justify LYB action, the bet stands...hehehe!!!:D:p

I would love to bet 100 sticks for USD25 but that will be too much a dinner for me and I would have to do a lot of situps and running or else I would not be able to perform my LD jumping smash...hehehe!!!:p:D

OTB is really OTB, isn't he X Ball?

Now, stop being kiasu, and worse still, kiasi and take him on since your most admired Malaysian player is now being challenged.

You're not going to sit there doing nothing, are you? :eek:

BTW, in case you forget I quote your statement #63:

" I dare say he will beat LD next"

So when you changed it to "may" later, does not warrant any discount.

See your statement #93, which I reproduce as follows:

"Act like him. Whilst I think HH may win, ..."

Now, our readers can distinguish who is really Kiasu.

OTB is really OTB, isn't he X Ball?

Now, stop being kiasu, and worse still, kiasi and take him on since your most admired Malaysian player is now being challenged.

You're not going to sit there doing nothing, are you? :eek:

BTW, in case you forget I quote your statement #63:

" I dare say he will beat LD next"

So when you changed it to "may" later, does not warrant any discount.

See your statement #93, which I reproduce as follows:

"Act like him. Whilst I think HH may win, ..."

Now, our readers can distinguish who is really Kiasu.

Just for you XBall...since I cannot possibly take 40 sticks at one sitting, discount 2 sticks...hehehe!!!:D:p;)

Hey XBall...now that I know how economical satay is in MAS, let's expand our bet, just in case I won and I want you to have a chance to recoup....if LD meets LCW in any round in CHN Open, I bet LD wins...look I am a MAS supporter, don't get me wrong and I am not belittling LCW, LCW played very well lately even beating LD straight...just that I think LD is very hard to beat in CHN....how about another 20 sticks and just to ensure there are no excuses, if LYB match fix any game and I do not need Cooler to justify LYB action, the bet stands...hehehe!!!:D:p


On my friend. I will throw in a Chendol with ice cream on top if LD beats LCW -- the other bet is also on. This is what I call a fair bet not the one that Loh offers. He just wants to win.:D

Just for you XBall...since I cannot possibly take 40 sticks at one sitting, discount 2 sticks...hehehe!!!:D:p;)

Let me beat you in the discounting --- I can only take 15 sticks at most so I will save you 5 sticks if I win -- maybe I will 'shout' LOH for the 5, he is always drooling over satay.:D

BTW, Alfa-2 is such a good character - he wins from me but does not claim. I like him a lot.:D

OTB is really OTB, isn't he X Ball?

Now, stop being kiasu, and worse still, kiasi and take him on since your most admired Malaysian player is now being challenged.

You're not going to sit there doing nothing, are you? :eek:

BTW, in case you forget I quote your statement #63:

" I dare say he will beat LD next"

So when you changed it to "may" later, does not warrant any discount.

See your statement #93, which I reproduce as follows:

"Act like him. Whilst I think HH may win, ..."

Now, our readers can distinguish who is really Kiasu.


When you go to a bookie at the racecourse, you think your horse would win otherwise you would not bet on it. But does the bookie say to you : "Loh, since you think it will win, I will bet evens with you even if though I am giving others 5:1".;)

Let me beat you in the discounting --- I can only take 15 sticks at most so I will save you 5 sticks if I win -- maybe I will 'shout' LOH for the 5, he is always drooling over satay.:D

BTW, Alfa-2 is such a good character - he wins from me but does not claim. I like him a lot.:D

Are you trying to lead me to something along the line of Alfa-2...well, let's wait till I win then I tell you what I would do, I might even forfeit the satay and even buy you instead, only if satay is USD0.25 for one stick, that would beat Alfa-2 hehehe!!!...if I lose (I mean LD lose to LCW), you have no idea how happy I am to pay up.:D:p

Are you trying to lead me to something along the line of Alfa-2...well, let's wait till I win then I tell you what I would do, I might even forfeit the satay and even buy you instead, only if satay is USD0.25 for one stick, that would beat Alfa-2 hehehe!!!...if I lose (I mean LD lose to LCW), you have no idea how happy I am to pay up.:D:p


Sama sama.........:D

When you go to a bookie at the racecourse, you think your horse would win otherwise you would not bet on it. But does the bookie say to you : "Loh, since you think it will win, I will bet evens with you even if though I am giving others 5:1".;)

But you're no bookie and you've never presented yourself as such! :)

You're X Ball and I thought on a matter such as this one, you mean what you say and you say what you mean, or is it now??? :rolleyes: :cool:

I prefer him to say nothing... Just prove it... No point for him to bla bla bla.. and each time suffer and earlier exit. Don't u boring since from year 2003 till not still same the same thing..?
ok, that's a good option. Someone pls let HH know he can just say, 'No comments' to media queries. By the way, how do you say 'No comments' in Bahasa?

On my friend. I will throw in a Chendol with ice cream on top if LD beats LCW -- the other bet is also on. This is what I call a fair bet not the one that Loh offers. He just wants to win.:D

You mean to say that when you enter a competition, a bet, you don't want to win, even hope for a win but just content with a loss?

If this 'lack of confidence' is present, then you should not have made such a confident statement as you did in the first place!

Yes I go in with a win in mind, although it is not always possible as even LD, LCW, TH and others have found out in real life.

Since you've made such a strong claim, I challenge you as I do not have the same confidence as you have in HH at the present time. But you may be right that HH may be able to beat LD in time to come provided he has all his bases covered! :D:);)

ok, that's a good option. Someone pls let HH know he can just say, 'No comments' to media queries. By the way, how do you say 'No comments' in Bahasa?


Hahaha, exactly ! HH has his rights as much as we have rights to question his rot.

Good one old chap.:)

You mean to say that when you enter a competition, a bet, you don't want to win, even hope for a win but just content with a loss?

If this 'lack of confidence' is present, then you should not have made such a confident statement as you did in the first place!

Yes I go in with a win in mind, although it is not always possible as even LD, LCW, TH and others have found out in real life.

Since you've made such a strong claim, I challenge you as I do not have the same confidence as you have in HH at the present time. But you may be right that HH may be able to beat LD in time to come provided he has all his bases covered! :D:);)

Ok lah Loh, I buy you satay even without a bet. Don't be so kiasu.

Ok lah Loh, I buy you satay even without a bet. Don't be so kiasu.

Then the satay would not taste as good! :D

4444


:D:D:D:D
I've thought about this magical figure recently.

Little did I know that I've crossed it today and in my conversation or "tit for tat" (or tac-au-tac in French) with X Ball!!!
:D:D:D:D

Maybe after the LD vs Hafiz match, LYB will ask Hafiz to join team China since he is such a good sparring partner.:p

If Hafiz can beat LD in this China Open... I will definitely change my login name to "eat banana" from then on!!!

hahahahahah................i prefer u to change it to "suck banana".......:D:D:D

hahaha, dear Uncle Loh, then you are making the wind blow strong and the hornbill fly high:D:D:D

Ok, i just donno what kind of logic she has....asking world no. 1 to give report for failing to retain her world title for the 3rd consecutive year (and after 2nd consecutive defeat)...i mean, no 1 can be a winner forever, there are ups n downs....but look at HH, no international title in 4 consecutive years, our Dato don even say a single thing...hmmm....fishy rite? What is her logic, Uncle, could you please explain?:p

HH is a bumiputera...........Nicol isn't............:D:D:D

I am not trying to defend Datuk but I think Nicol is high profile -- everybody wants to know why she flopped when she flops. Also, I understand a lot of money is channeled into her training budget (based out of Holland). God knows how much but I am pretty sure it is a lot. Once success is achieved, she is under srcutiny coz they will spend even more money in it to sustain the wins. Hafiz is not in the same league in terms of spending so basically very hard to compare but there is still pressure on him nonetheless -- Misbun has given 2 chances only to HH.

So I would not draw too much into this unnecessary.:)

so are you sure HH will be sacked if he doesn't perform up to par after these 2 tournaments?? i don't think so.;)

Let me beat you in the discounting --- I can only take 15 sticks at most so I will save you 5 sticks if I win -- maybe I will 'shout' LOH for the 5, he is always drooling over satay.:D

BTW, Alfa-2 is such a good character - he wins from me but does not claim. I like him a lot.:D

X Ball, the great stirrer of BC, 'cos your post claiming HH will topple LD in CHN, this thread has added at least 5 pages, 10 more to come whether HH win or lose, since bananakid is here too, hehhehehe...........:D:D:D

ok, that's a good option. Someone pls let HH know he can just say, 'No comments' to media queries. By the way, how do you say 'No comments' in Bahasa?

No komen............:D:D:D

No komen............:D:D:D

TIDAK APA LAH

;):D

hahahahahah................i prefer u to change it to "suck banana".......:D:D:D
some more choices:

Banana King:eek:
Pink Banana:p
Soft Banana:crying:
Old Banana:confused:

LD already won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahaha!!!!

LD already won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahaha!!!!
oh i got another version in favor of KOR...

hahahahahah................i prefer u to change it to "suck banana".......:D:D:D


Bananakid is a Cantonese .... eat banana in cantonese is yuk chiu.:D

so are you sure HH will be sacked if he doesn't perform up to par after these 2 tournaments?? i don't think so.;)


Equally, do you think Nicol would be sacked if she had not won further ?:D

LD already won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahaha!!!!


Good one Li De Quan. You can fool many people a lot of the times but you cannot fool people ALL THE TIME.:D

Bananakid is a Cantonese .... eat banana in cantonese is yuk chiu.:D

i prefer him to be named "yuk xih"........:D:D:D

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/match.aspx?id=17831&match=16

Equally, do you think Nicol would be sacked if she had not won further ?:D

then what's the point of Misbun telling the press he has only 2 last chances??:rolleyes:

then what's the point of Misbun telling the press he has only 2 last chances??:rolleyes:


Surely my friend...surely it must be quite simple to guess.

To PUT PRESSURE ON HH to perform (obviously you did not stretch your brain enough).:rolleyes:

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/match.aspx?id=17831&match=16

You are hired as a programmer.;)

Surely my friend...surely it must be quite simple to guess.

To PUT PRESSURE ON HH to perform (obviously you did not stretch your brain enough).:rolleyes:

i did stretch my brain on this, but i was just hoping HH would be really gone with the wind if he still keeps his yoyo attitude.;)

nicol would not be sacked even if she lost a few times. maybe it was just to take care of an investment since she is training overseas and surely the cost of her training if much higher than hafiz. plus hafiz is a club player. the government only pay for his participation in tournaments and not his other expenses. and even if the government is paying for some of his expenses it is surely much less than nicol's since he is training locally.

i know people like to mention the bumiputra advantage everytime things like this happen but maybe we all dont know the whole story. how much exactly is being spent on nicol and how much exactly is being spent on hafiz? but before you guys pounce on me, i have to say that whatever is the cost for nicol it is worth every penny. she has shown that she deserved to be given whatever she needs to compete. and she has shown that she is a winner. go nicol!!!! :D

as far as i known, nobody in badminton were ever sacked. usually they retire. maybe that is what misbun is trying to say to hafiz. if he could not show his winning potential in the two tournaments maybe it is time he steps down and just help out during training and not compete internationally anymore. well, we'll have to wait and see what would happen after the two tournaments. no sportsmen and sportswomen in malaysia have ever been sacked unless it is a discipline issue and i have never heard of any discipline problems with hafiz. he is trying very hard and he is training very hard. he is just not winning for who knows what reason. if he was slacking around and missing training and losing then i am all for sacking him. but i agree there is a limit to the chances that he should be given. if he is not gonna come out of this rut anytime soon maybe we should stop sending him for overseas competition. and as maybe the two tournament might be the stop or go point for him, i sincerely hope he will rise to the occasion.

Surely my friend...surely it must be quite simple to guess.

To PUT PRESSURE ON HH to perform (obviously you did not stretch your brain enough).:rolleyes:

On the other hand, it is a kind gesture from Misbun to give HH two more holiday trips before he retires. For old times' sake! :p:p:p

.....hafiz is a club player. the government only pay for his participation in tournaments and not his other expenses.
.....i know people like to mention the bumiputra advantage everytime things like this happen but maybe we all dont know the whole story.....


GOOD POINTS

He spends less and performs much better than Yogetheran of BAM
He is much superior than YKB of BAM

Hoping that he will achieve good results in coming tourneys and let bananakid eats his word...

GOOD POINTS

He spends less and performs much better than Yogetheran of BAM
He is much superior than YKB of BAM

Hoping that he will achieve good results in coming tourneys and let bananakid eats his word...

Hafiz is listed under the national team squad www.bam.org.my/about.php

so I'm not too sure who exactly is footing his expenditure.

Furthermore.......... he at one point had the attention of National Coach Misbun all to himself... so you can cost in Coach Misbun's salary into his cost as well.

Good one Li De Quan. You can fool many people a lot of the times but you cannot fool people ALL THE TIME.:D
.."Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me. If fooled, you can't be fooled again"...(quoted from President Bush)..:p:D;)
http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/match.aspx?id=17831&match=16
You are hired as a programmer.;)
..wow, didn't know that was all LI De Quan needed to do, to be hired by X Ball..:rolleyes::cool:

On the other hand, it is a kind gesture from Misbun to give HH two more holiday trips before he retires. For old times' sake! :p:p:p


Loh, you are beginning to show strong bias against HH. What is the agenda ?:D Are you trying to get him sacked and then try to hire him as a sparring partner for Ronaldo ?:D

Loh, you are beginning to show strong bias against HH. What is the agenda ?:D Are you trying to get him sacked and then try to hire him as a sparring partner for Ronaldo ?:D

Strong bias against the former AE Champ? How many AE champ of recent history has Malaysia produced? LCW and others have tried a few times but failed! Of course not, HH was once the undisputed hero that brought immense joy to Malaysians!

He is still young compared with some other players who became champ at past 30. It is entirely up to him whether he wants to experience the same successful and memorable route!

I have posted that if HH regains his fitness, even your LCW has to watch out because his sparring partner will turn the tables on him and leave him without a partner.

And you want to send HH to Singapore to spar with Ronald. Misbun might sack you instead! :rolleyes:;)

He means Ronald-Inho... not Ronald Susilo. :)

He means Ronald-Inho... not Ronald Susilo. :)

Yes,..:D...as training partner in Soccer instead of badminton..:eek:..are U sure?:D:D

Yes,..:D...as training partner in Soccer instead of badminton..:eek:..are U sure?:D:D

yeah then Ronald-Inho can use LCW's badminton footwork in the field...............:D:D:D LCW can teach him how to dive.......:p:p:p

Yes,..:D...as training partner in Soccer instead of badminton..:eek:..are U sure?:D:D

Doesn't make sense to me since we are talking about badminton and I've yet to hear of needing an individual sparring partner for soccer!

Futhermore I think HH is not of any good with his badminton footwork on the soccer pitch! :D

Strong bias against the former AE Champ? How many AE champ of recent history has Malaysia produced? LCW and others have tried a few times but failed! Of course not, HH was once the undisputed hero that brought immense joy to Malaysians!

He is still young compared with some other players who became champ at past 30. It is entirely up to him whether he wants to experience the same successful and memorable route!

I have posted that if HH regains his fitness, even your LCW has to watch out because his sparring partner will turn the tables on him and leave him without a partner.

And you want to send HH to Singapore to spar with Ronald. Misbun might sack you instead! :rolleyes:;)

You sure got me fooled with your 'obscure' posting. Nevertheless there was a bit of disguised snipe against HH.:mad: I will let you off this time.:D

I did mean Ronald Susilo not the soccer star.

anyone think that HH can beat PSH tomorrow?? I'm on PSH's boat tomorrow. sorry X Ball...........satay anyone?

Hafiz won Park before.. but that was like 5 years ago. It will be an exciting match to watch as Park in is high spirit and Hafiz will be walking on thin line if he doesnt advance to QF. Prove me wrong Hafiz... hope you can win.

Habis Hasbeen is a talented players.

Is just mind over matter for him now. Depends if he has spend all the money he been feed during his AE wining time. If he did.. he will come out like hungry tiger... as the chinese say " FAT Kun Orc" Angry when no money is the most sacriest of all :)

Habis Hasbeen is a talented players.

Is just mind over matter for him now. Depends if he has spend all the money he been feed during his AE wining time. If he did.. he will come out like hungry tiger... as the chinese say " FAT Kun Orc" Angry when no money is the most sacriest of all :)

yeah three types of ppl are most scary.....

not enough eat
not enough sleep
not enough $$$$$...............:D:D:D

HH will win
The korean camp underestimated so called 'yoyo' n they will pay for it!

anyone think that HH can beat PSH tomorrow?? I'm on PSH's boat tomorrow. sorry X Ball...........satay anyone?
During LD-PSH match, the Chinese commentator said that PSH has improved a lot in terms of skills.

In that match, PSH was so calm and collected. Just when everyone thought that LD would seal the match with straight sets, PSH calmly saved 2 match points and forced a rubber and eventually clinched the victory, the 2nd win over LD this year, after the Malaysia Open.

PSH is all fired up and I don't think he want to lose after knocking down the top seed. Hafiz will have hard time.

.....PSH is all fired up and I don't think he want to lose after knocking down the top seed. Hafiz will have hard time.

it must be an encounter between Misbun n Li Mao, though he's in Seoul remotes Park's game :D:D:D

it must be an encounter between Misbun n Li Mao, though he's in Seoul remotes Park's game :D:D:D

exactly.......:D:D:D Misbun vs LM........

anyone think that HH can beat PSH tomorrow?? I'm on PSH's boat tomorrow. sorry X Ball...........satay anyone?
The odds favor PSH who is riding a high while our poor HH is on pins and needles (cos' if he lose, then that is one down and HKO is his last chance if you believe that MS will actually pull the plug then), so to even the bet...why don't you offer XBall better odds like 5 points up for HH on each game or lose 2 satay for each 1 satay you win, i.e. 2 for 1 bet...that would be fair, otherwise most people would take PSH except for those who bet with their heart, not their brain...hey! I screwed up too, thought LD would be difficult to beat in CHN but that fella lost and wiped out 2 of my satay bets with XBall.

The odds favor PSH who is riding a high while our poor HH is on pins and needles (cos' if he lose, then that is one down and HKO is his last chance if you believe that MS will actually pull the plug then), so to even the bet...why don't you offer XBall better odds like 5 points up for HH on each game or lose 2 satay for each 1 satay you win, i.e. 2 for 1 bet...that would be fair, otherwise most people would take PSH except for those who bet with their heart, not their brain...hey! I screwed up too, thought LD would be difficult to beat in CHN but that fella lost and wiped out 2 of my satay bets with XBall.

if the odd is 2:1 favourable to PSH...........i'll rather take my chance with HH. IMO it's a 45:55 match for HH. PSH might be mentally and physically drained after LD's match. so 40:20 satays, i take HH u take PSH, as u have suggested, deal?

From Yesterday's match, HH played better than LCW i would say...
He suddenly rediscovered his "lightning kill" smashes...
Lee is not on his best just as in FO a couple of week ago...
Anyway, MS is an open field for anyone to win now after LD's shocking exist .. The strong wind inside the stadium might be a key factor to determine the winner, whoever get to adjust the drift will be the one who smile at last...

HH was happy that he will be playing Park instead of LD....he was rooting for Park yesterday...

HH was happy that he will be playing Park instead of LD....he was rooting for Park yesterday...

Yes, I can see that... but what happens IF he lost to Park? I bet Misbun has no reasons to rescue HH but to ground him :eek::p

Yes, I can see that... but what happens IF he lost to Park? I bet Misbun has no reasons to rescue HH but to ground him :eek::p


PARK will lose today -- I am certain. He will ache all over his body and his movements will not as fluid as yesterday when he beat LD. You cannot expect someone to fight a 'titanic' battle every day -- if HH loses, then I think he ought to quit badminton altogether.

Two more chances for HH???!!

So typical.

o oh!!! pemuda is here!!! :D

How about we keep mum until the match between HH and PSH starts?

Even if HH fails to achieve good result he iis still worth to retain as a landmine sweeper to benefit LCW. Why most of BCers want him to be as good as LCW?

agree. let's see how hafiz will fare. :)

PARK will lose today -- I am certain. He will ache all over his body and his movements will not as fluid as yesterday when he beat LD. You cannot expect someone to fight a 'titanic' battle every day -- if HH loses, then I think he ought to quit badminton altogether.

Hear, hear, X Ball puts it very nicely instead of 'sacking' HH.

As ants has pointed out, Park is one up on LD head-to-head, and having played LD so many times before, how can he suffer from body aches all over?

So HH (and X Ball) better watch out for the super Korean who may upset LCW also, should they meet in the final! :cool:

Park played extremely well yesterday. No doubt Lindan was not his best too. But i do hope Hafiz will also play his best no matter what the outcome is. And i hope he will not lose too.

the super korean will be sent packing... this is the new, lean machine!!! HAFIZNATOR!!!

Park played extremely well yesterday. No doubt Lindan was not his best too. But i do hope Hafiz will also play his best no matter what the outcome is. And i hope he will not lose too.

Is hard to predict on this match up as both players are quite inconsistent, so I just close my eyes and raise my Malaysian flag, Hafiz advance to round 3 :D

Is hard to predict on this match up as both players are quite inconsistent, so I just close my eyes and raise my Malaysian flag, Hafiz advance to round 3 :D

Pls make sure you raise our Msia flag, NOT THE WHITE FLAG :D:p

yeah, i wanna raise the malaysian flag too. i think every malaysian hopes for hafiz's victory. :)

Habis Hasbeen is the man today!

I can sense that he has used up all his $$$, he just got married and going to have children all is $$$! He is hungrier than ever$$$.

Just like a mamak stall near by my house in KL. they open 2weeks closee 2weeks. My guess is that their money finish, they do business again.

CHEERS

really? there's a stall like that? wow, alternate fortnight business format. surely you cannot make money like that. :)

the super korean will be sent packing... this is the new, lean machine!!! HAFIZNATOR!!!

You are hereby bestowed "The Psycho King". :)

You are hereby bestowed "The Psycho King". :)


LOL, great one KIASU KING !

LOL, great one KIASU KING !

How can I take away your deserved title?

In fact you have two - King Stirrer and now King Kiasu!
Not surprised if you get another. ;)

PARK will lose today -- I am certain. He will ache all over his body and his movements will not as fluid as yesterday when he beat LD. You cannot expect someone to fight a 'titanic' battle every day -- if HH loses, then I think he ought to quit badminton altogether.

there, you have already said it.:D:D:D

Frankly, I think Hafiz has done what he could by winning the 1st game and saving 5 match points before going down to PSH in the 2nd round.

Let's see what he can do in the next stop in Hong Kong. If BAM and Misbun can give him 4 years to "resurrect", why can't we give him another month?

i understood why HH lost, just that X Ball was so sure that HH would win, but he is just being X Ball:D:D:D............PSH is simply too good for anyone at this moment.......except for LCW. heheheh...............;)

Hafiz deserve a praise this time from me eventhough he lost. The way he played in this CO so far is totally different from the way he play few tournaments before. I would like to see him go far and win during the Simon match in Hong Kong.

Hafiz deserve a praise this time from me eventhough he lost. The way he played in this CO so far is totally different from the way he play few tournaments before. I would like to see him go far and win during the Simon match in Hong Kong.

He will play against SS in the 1st round?? it will be tough and i don't think he could really make it. sorry.........

He will play against SS in the 1st round?? it will be tough and i don't think he could really make it. sorry.........

May be he needs to lose some more fat on his waistline to advance far. As long as he is serious and realize competitions are fierce, I have hope he will deliver! Hafiz is still the most talented Malaysian player in recent history and he should know his fan is very forgiving.

Huh, Hafiz Hashim? Who? Gosh, I am speechless regarding him. I think I am also human to say that he has been given more than enough chances, unlike many others (sorry, to say this) but it's so true. When he goes to court, somehow I never have faith in him winning any matches. His usual lacklustre attitude on court, it's totally disheartening to watch. Can't blame me, I also like to remember winners, and enjoys watching great displays by many other players with great personalities and fighting spirits, and the passion to try and win matches. Sad to say, he don't display any of that in my eyes. Shame on you BAM, afterall the disappointments, one after another, it's time to discard him. Let him go do his own soul searching... why not sponsor him a trip to some remote country in Africa, or maybe dump him in Calcutta, India and he may find himself. MY 2 cents worth.

Without watching the game, I can already tell that Hafiz must be too excited after taking the first game. Then he would start playing all his fancy shots on the second, and when he realize he must not do all the fancy shots on the rubber game, he ran out of stamina...

Hafiz played really well today.;...I think Misbum will keep him if he played like yestreday...LCW and his gang were cheering for him.....

One chance down, one more chance for this month, Next month it will reset to zero again, cause the system is monthly basis......

Hafiz played really well today.;...I think Misbum will keep him if he played like yestreday...LCW and his gang were cheering for him.....


Yes, I think if he had done poorly I would not hesitate to call for his head. But what do you do if he did play well ? HKO should be another target he has to play well else he truly lives up to the nickname the guys gave him "the yoyo king".

I still think for financial reasons he will step up eventually else he would give without us prompting him.

How can I take away your deserved title?

In fact you have two - King Stirrer and now King Kiasu!
Not surprised if you get another. ;)

All the names I gave you and you turn them on me ? What is this ?:D;) Be original my friend.

All the names I gave you and you turn them on me ? What is this ?:D;) Be original my friend.
Uncle Loh is a typical Copy CAT :eek:
So, I owe u SATAY as the dwarf beat the Chinese Junior MD pair on a close game.. ;)

He had mis understood what Misbun means la.. He though Misbun ask him to stop at Round 2... What Misbun means is give him 2 changes.. Both also with number 2.. so Hafiz confuse lo...:D:D:D

Uncle Loh is a typical Copy CAT :eek:
So, I owe u SATAY as the dwarf beat the Chinese Junior MD pair on a close game.. ;)

Uncle Sam, don't make Lady Cat angry again by taking away her title! ;)

As for X Ball, he needs to change his crystal ball for despite his urgings, pronouncements, including title giving to others, HH still got beaten by PSH, who should be a very tired man after his victory over LD, so X Ball claimed. :D:D:D

Uncle Sam, don't make Lady Cat angry again by taking away her title! ;)

i m KOPI CAT, not COPY CAT...COPY CAT title belongs to Uncle Loh:D:D:D

Uncle Sam, don't make Lady Cat angry again by taking away her title! ;)

As for X Ball, he needs to change his crystal ball for despite his urgings, pronouncements, including title giving to others, HH still got beaten by PSH, who should be a very tired man after his victory over LD, so X Ball claimed. :D:D:D

hahaha Loh, paying attention to what I said and making it sound like I am GOD - I like that.

HH should have beaten PSH but obviously, he failed. And I also said he should quit if he does not beat PSH. But in life, there are always excuses, including for me (I am not GOD). HH was perhaps more tired than PSH.

I also said HH played well despite the fact he lost. One must be adaptable coz there is never a hard and fast rule in life. HH now has one more chance if we interpret Misbun correctly -- let us hope he does not blow it.

hahaha Loh, paying attention to what I said and making it sound like I am GOD - I like that.

HH should have beaten PSH but obviously, he failed. And I also said he should quit if he does not beat PSH. But in life, there are always excuses, including for me (I am not GOD). HH was perhaps more tired than PSH.

I also said HH played well despite the fact he lost. One must be adaptable coz there is never a hard and fast rule in life. HH now has one more chance if we interpret Misbun correctly -- let us hope he does not blow it.

Glad to note you've now taken a second look at your crystal ball and is instructed by ... to change your view of life to be more flexible - apply whatever that best suits you for the occasion! :rolleyes:

So now you earned another title as the FLEXI KING! :D:D:D

He will play against SS in the 1st round?? it will be tough and i don't think he could really make it. sorry.........


If were on one extreme, you are the other end of that extreme.:mad: But my extreme is more pleasant that yours of negating people. In your eyes, there is no grey and everyone is 'black' when they show signs of being black.

I think we all know that HH went 'black' (turned hopeless) because he won the AE and was endowed with so much that he became complacent. As much as that had caused him to change for the worse, I believe he can now also become good coz the incentives and accolades have 'dried'.

But of course time is needed to restore that -- the first bit of that restoration is the recognition by the person that he is playing sh.it and then followed by a rigorous program to gain back fitness, which has eluded him for some time now (since the AE win). Time becomes a factor in this - coz one cannot say I am coming back and he is back.

The first good sign was when ANT said he saw a different HH playing, which means he meant what he said. Now 3 sets against someone who has just beaten LD is no small feat even though I painted the picture that PSH would be tired. Obviously, the Korean ginseng is more potent that I thought (reminds me to take some :) ).

If HKO proves to be a good hunting ground for HH and he keeps improving, I will be behind him as much as I have been for LCW.

Keep faith, ye faithless !:D

If HKO proves to be a good hunting ground for HH and he keeps improving, I will be behind him as much as I have been for LCW.

Keep faith, ye faithless !:D

Follow Park... Drink more potent ginseng and be merry this Christmas!
Ye will be sharper than thy crystal ball! :rolleyes:

But don't lose faith on LCW now that ye has changed support for HH! :D

Follow Park... Drink more potent ginseng and be merry this Christmas!
Ye will be sharper than thy crystal ball! :rolleyes:

But don't lose faith on LCW now that ye has changed support for HH! :D

Loh always looks like Santa Claus
He says things without much remorse
Give him a cue on something
He will copy it like everything
However he speaks words of wisdom
So, at least, there will be no martyrdom.

Loh always looks like Santa Claus
He says things without much remorse
Give him a cue on something
He will copy it like everything
However he speaks words of wisdom
So, at least, there will be no martyrdom.

REMORSE?
COPY?
WISDOM?

I thought this is all for fun - entertainment! :):):)

REMORSE?
COPY?
WISDOM?

I thought this is all for fun - entertainment! :):):)


Yes for my fun making !:D;)

It is really funny looking both at you poking fun to each other...

It is really funny looking both at you poking fun to each other...


It is what I called 'Cross Border' poking. We are very much children at heart.:D

It is what I called 'Cross Border' poking. We are very much children at heart.:D

Yeah i can see that. heheh

Friday June 27, 2008
BAM to discuss fate of under-performing shuttler Hafiz
By RAJES PAUL
KUALA LUMPUR: The future of national men's singles shuttler Mohd Hafiz Hashim will be on the agenda when the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) coaching and training committee and exco meet today in Bukit Kiara here.

Yesterday, the fourth seeded Hafiz was eliminated in the third round off the Thailand Open, losing 21-19, 16-21, 10-21 to unheralded Yuichi Ikeda of Japan. It was the second consecutive crushing blow for Hafiz after a first-round defeat by another Japanese, Kenichi Tago, in the Indonesian Open in Jakarta last week.

The BAM general manager, Kenny Goh, admitted that the Hafiz's slide in performance again was a major concern for them.

“We (the BAM) will take into consideration his results in recent tournaments and discuss his position in the national team in either the coaching and training committee or exco meetings. Our decision will be in the best interest of both parties,” he said.

Hafiz, who sounded his intention to leave his club, Nusa Mahsuri, a couple of months ago is currently enjoying the benefits of a national player under the BAM banner, which includes monthly allowances given by the National Sports Council (NSC).

With Hafiz's defeat in Bangkok yesterday, the Malaysian interest in the Thailand Open is only in the doubles events.

Poor chap. He's not doing himself a favour...

Poor chap. He's not doing himself a favour...


Well here is a case of the mind is willing but the body is not. When you hit this low spot in life, the best is to move on and do something else. There are other ways of making a livelihood.

Well here is a case of the mind is willing but the body is not. When you hit this low spot in life, the best is to move on and do something else. There are other ways of making a livelihood.
Hey X Ball, are you still looking for a programmer in your company. Maybe you should employ HH as a trainee. :p

Hey X Ball, are you still looking for a programmer in your company. Maybe you should employ HH as a trainee. :p


Hahaha..............!:D

gezz... this is a joke manz... Mr.Yoyo is back to BAM's fold? What can he contribute? Sparring partner? If I'm not mistaken, BAM pays RM$2,000 for each sparring partner and I'm sure Hafiz got more than that now :rolleyes:

I thought BAM will run the "overhaul" after the Olympics? If so, why still collecting "dusks"? :cool:

gezz... this is a joke manz... Mr.Yoyo is back to BAM's fold? What can he contribute? Sparring partner? If I'm not mistaken, BAM pays RM$2,000 for each sparring partner and I'm sure Hafiz got more than that now :rolleyes:

I thought BAM will run the "overhaul" after the Olympics? If so, why still collecting "dusks"? :cool:

Jimbo, if he is not desperate, do you think he will come back to the fold of BAM - why wouldn't he join KLRC ? And why did he want to move off to KLRC in the first place -it is because his club (Nusa...) is not doing him justice - not paying him well as his performance no longer draws sponsors.

Do you think he will be paid more if he does not perform ? The BAM incentives are based on performance -- so if he does not, the petrol money to go to train every day will take a considerable amount anyway. No point getting jealous lah - I won't do it if I were Hafiz. But if you are desperate to get back up, you will take the next nearest offer which at least keeps you afloat.

Jimbo, if he is not desperate, do you think he will come back to the fold of BAM - why wouldn't he join KLRC ? And why did he want to move off to KLRC in the first place -it is because his club (Nusa...) is not doing him justice - not paying him well as his performance no longer draws sponsors.

Do you think he will be paid more if he does not perform ? The BAM incentives are based on performance -- so if he does not, the petrol money to go to train every day will take a considerable amount anyway. No point getting jealous lah - I won't do it if I were Hafiz. But if you are desperate to get back up, you will take the next nearest offer which at least keeps you afloat.

Agree with U. My concerned is NOT where he is heading to (does it matter) but why is BAM doing this "charity"? I want to see more juniors to challenge our LCW but NOT Mr.Yoyo occupying the "seat". We need more of Arif, TanCS, etc... but not HIM ;)

I think he is a dumb a*s coz he should know that his main weakness is FITNESS. A BIG boss of BAM told me that he is more talented than LCW and WCH but he lacks fitness. So, why NOT him working on his fitness? Plain lazy bummer, I say :cool:

........1) We need more of Arif, TanCS, etc... but not HIM ;)

............ 2) A BIG boss of BAM told me that he is more talented than LCW and WCH but he lacks fitness. So, why NOT him working on his fitness? Plain lazy bummer, I say :cool:

1) I also want to see our back-up promoted to senior squad. The lads trying hard to proof themselves though not as talented according to Rashid Sidek.
2) Really?? :confused: More talented than LCW & uncle Wong ? <rub eyes>That talent sure didnt come out much:p. Me thought uncle WCH in his younger days was the most talented MS among the 3.

1) I also want to see our back-up promoted to senior squad. The lads trying hard to proof themselves though not as talented according to Rashid Sidek.
2) Really?? :confused: More talented than LCW & uncle Wong ? <rub eyes>That talent sure didnt come out much:p. Me thought uncle WCH in his younger days was the most talented MS among the 3.

Let me talk about these three players (LCW, WCH and HH) from a player myself and technical views as well.

WCH: He was a very good attacking player with strong determination and fighting spirits. He had everything in a champion though he lacked the variations and skills. His game is a plain vanila (doesnt mean no good); speed and power. Nothing special, no secret weapons.

LCW: He is not a born natural player but his effort, discipline and determination has brought him (with the guidance of LiMao and Misbun) to where he belongs today. He has the fitness, skills, attitude (both on and off court), and most of all, his hunger for success. I watched him playing when he was a junior and his game has developed and matured. Just love to see his tricks, diving, and most of all, never-give-up attitude. Simply superb guy. He reminds me of Yong Hock Kim and Rashid.

HH: This guy is very talented since young. He has all the skills, height and power but lack of fitness. His biggest enemy is his stamina. He also shows little fighting spirits but perhaps he was trying to catch every breath... haha :D. Now, he doesnt need Misbun or anyone else to polish his game but he needs to attend Marathon courses... haha :p

2) Really?? :confused: More talented than LCW & uncle Wong ? <rub eyes>That talent sure didnt come out much:p. Me thought uncle WCH in his younger days was the most talented MS among the 3.

haiya...kak...he mean HH lar...aiyo...

haiya...kak...he mean HH lar...aiyo...

Ya loh, I also mean Hafiz. Surprised got ppl say Hafiz more talented than LCW & WCH.

Ya loh, I also mean Hafiz. Surprised got ppl say Hafiz more talented than LCW & WCH.

sure lar...talented only mah...

sure lar...talented only mah...

oh...just notice this is the 900k post...haha...