How to keep our CCC Badminton's philosophy alive ?

[chris-ccc]

Greetings,

After having replied to this thread 'Badminton prestige', as located at:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=715594#post715594 ...

Members@CCC Badminton would like to invite higher skilled players with kindness and patience, from our members@Badminton Central, to share with our weaker members on how to play games of GOOD BADMINTON. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc
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[B_Cracken]

Greetings,

After having replied to this thread 'Badminton prestige', as located at:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=715594#post715594 ...

Members@CCC Badminton would like to invite higher skilled players with kindness and patience, from our members@Badminton Central, to share with our weaker members on how to play games of GOOD BADMINTON. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc
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Good luck mate!

It is good and fair enough to say " We should play with everyone..." This only works in theory mate. How long can you play with real beginners before you get bored? Wonder whether you have asked yourself that question?

It is naive to say that a higher skilled player will like to play the whole night with a unskilled who can't serve and hit the shuttle straight. This is no way of promoting the sport but killing both their enthusiasm.:crying::crying:

[chris-ccc]

Good luck mate!

It is good and fair enough to say "We should play with everyone..." This only works in theory mate. How long can you play with real beginners before you get bored? Wonder whether you have asked yourself that question?

It is naive to say that a higher skilled player will like to play the whole night with a unskilled who can't serve and hit the shuttle straight. This is no way of promoting the sport but killing both their enthusiasm.:crying::crying:



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Hi B_Cracken,

Sorry that I haven't noticed your post until now. :o:o:o

I understand fully what you have stated "This is no way of promoting the sport but killing both their enthusiasm".

I am a highly skilled player and a professional coach. It was never my intention to start a Social Badminton Club. It was my trainees who persuaded me to do so.

When I decided to start our CCC Badminton Club, I was thinking of these 2 options;
(1) To build a strongest(highly skilled) club (a Competitive Club)
(2) To build a favourite(friendliest) club (a Family Membership Club)

I went for the 2nd option. This is because there are more clubs in Melbourne catering for higher skilled players, none catering for new players. :(:(:(

I asked myself... If I were to encourage new players to Badminton (this is what I meant to promote our Badminton), I must make sure that new comers must feel welcomed.

Mind you... there have been a few players who joined our club because they haven't played for some time (rusty), but after having improved/retained their skills, they decided to leave our club.

This thread was created to ask/remind our members "Ask not what Badminton can do for you, but ask what you can do for Badminton".

Yes, it is as you have mentioned "This only works in theory mate", but here, I wish to inform our club members what we stand for. :):):)

Just look at Badminton Central for instance... It doesn't matter what skill levels our members are, everyone is invited to participate. :cool::cool::cool:

Cheers... chris@ccc
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[hkhung]

Good luck mate!

It is good and fair enough to say " We should play with everyone..." This only works in theory mate. How long can you play with real beginners before you get bored? Wonder whether you have asked yourself that question?

It is naive to say that a higher skilled player will like to play the whole night with a unskilled who can't serve and hit the shuttle straight. This is no way of promoting the sport but killing both their enthusiasm.:crying::crying:

regarding to getting bored playing with someone who's way weaker than you, i guess it depends on why you play with them.

If you just play for fun and excercise as well as making friends, i guess i am happy. Sometimes, i would rather play with people i don't know (eventhough they might be weaker) so i have to adapt my game.

On the other hand, it's very easy to get bored if you play for improving and the other party is much weaker(not that these players are not playing for fun and not making friends, but to them - WINNING is more important). In that sense, i can see why those players would never play social and only show up in competition.

I guess in context "social" would mean exhibit social behavior towards other people. And that would mean not being overly serious about arguing shots as well as simple things like shaking hands at the end of the game.

It's certainly a organizer nightmare when they organize a "social" session and then you got players who are overtly serious coming in. I wonder what do you do in that sense? Might have to look in Yahoo answers for that.

All in all i think there are many ways to promote a certain sport on SKILL level as well as ENJOYMENT level. I mean if a sport require a lot of skill to start with before you can enjoy, there's no way i would chosen that sport to play.

[chris-ccc]

I guess in context "social" would mean exhibit social behavior towards other people. And that would mean not being overly serious about arguing shots as well as simple things like shaking hands at the end of the game.

All in all i think there are many ways to promote a certain sport on SKILL level as well as ENJOYMENT level. I mean if a sport require a lot of skill to start with before you can enjoy, there's no way i would chosen that sport to play.



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Well said on this point "SOCIAL BADMINTON would mean to exhibit social behavior towards other people". :):):)

On the point of SKILL and ENJOYMENT, we have always encouraged our players to attend some COACHING lessons.

We can see that most of our trainees are enjoying their games more just because they understand what Badminton is about. While others are doing the "Just HIT and GIGGLE" method. :D:D:D

The analogy: You can buy a piano and try to learn to play it by yourself. Or you can get a piano teacher to teach you how to play it properly.

The fact: "The more you understand what you are doing, the more you will enjoy it". :):):)
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[hkhung]

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Well said on this point "SOCIAL BADMINTON would mean to exhibit social behavior towards other people". :):):)

On the point of SKILL and ENJOYMENT, we have always encouraged our players to attend some COACHING lessons.


this brings back to the good old misconception that "coaching is only for people who wanna play serious and win competition".

As you said Chris, if people wanna gain knowledge of certain things, they ask knowledgeable people and learn from them. In this case, they do coaching with you. Hence coaching is for everybody who wanna learn.


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We can see that most of our trainees are enjoying their games more just because they understand what Badminton is about. While others are doing the "Just HIT and GIGGLE" method. :D:D:D


hey, at least they smile, so we know they are not angry.


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The analogy: You can buy a piano and try to learn to play it by yourself. Or you can get a piano teacher to teach you how to play it properly.

The fact: "The more you understand what you are doing, the more you will enjoy it". :):):)
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true. but to me, it's more like "the more i understand what i SHOULD BE doing, the more i realise i gotta LEARN".

[btchia]

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this brings back to the good old misconception that "coaching is only for people who wanna play serious and win competition".

IMO, coaching for me is to understand and correct my mistake in every step while playing badminton, doesn't mean i go coaching is to win the competition.

""if people wanna gain knowledge of certain things, they ask knowledgeable people and learn from them.""

This is truth, everybody can play badminton, "just hit every shuttle", unless you wan to understand more, then you go coaching. Alway play with weaker player might get bored sooner or later, but turn into this way,

1) play with stronger player, they might don't want to play with you, same theory as you don't want to play with weaker player.

2) Play with weaker player, try to improve your accuracy for every shot, you might not get bored easily....that's what i'm doing...:p

[hkhung]

:p

IMO, coaching for me is to understand and correct my mistake in every step while playing badminton, doesn't mean i go coaching is to win the competition.

""if people wanna gain knowledge of certain things, they ask knowledgeable people and learn from them.""

This is truth, everybody can play badminton, "just hit every shuttle", unless you wan to understand more, then you go coaching. Alway play with weaker player might get bored sooner or later, but turn into this way,

1) play with stronger player, they might don't want to play with you, same theory as you don't want to play with weaker player.

2) Play with weaker player, try to improve your accuracy for every shot, you might not get bored easily....that's what i'm doing...:p

i guess at the end of the day, the scenario of "only play with people at your level" might not be the ideal way to improve cos you need to play with someone slightly better but not much better (say D grade play with B grade) cos you would get discouraged very easily. No matter what you do, smash, clear, drop, they can come back.

if you play with someone weaker than you, a suggestion of not getting bored while playing with weaker player is the notion of "limit your shot" e.g no smash. Just look at Chris as a prime example for that. :)

In this case, it helps while you were practicing certain shots if you limit yourself. Say this week the chapter is about a certain shot (say DAP), so you use DAP rather than smash.

[chris-ccc]

i guess at the end of the day, the scenario of "only play with people at your level" might not be the ideal way to improve cos you need to play with someone slightly better but not much better (say D grade play with B grade) cos you would get discouraged very easily.

if you play with someone weaker than you, a suggestion of not getting bored while playing with weaker player is the notion of "limit your shot" e.g no smash. Just look at Chris as a prime example for that. :)

In this case, it helps while you were practicing certain shots if you limit yourself. Say this week the chapter is about a certain shot (say DAP), so you use DAP rather than smash.



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Below is a brief history about our CCC Badminton Club, a standard mail sent to everyone asking about our club.

It might throw some light to what we have been discussing thus far. :):):)

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CCC was initially established as a Coaching Club. Our trainees worked on exercises in footwork, strokes, drills, player's positions, match tactics, reaction time, etc... CCC was to teach trainees the 'Art of Playing Better Badminton'. We run a structured program for training purposes only. Our trainees are trained to focus on improving their own skill and ability.

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It was later, when our trainees suggested that they wished to play more games, to practise amongst themselves, that our Social Games sessions were organised. We then welcome visitors to participate in our Social Games.

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At the moment, we have many visiting players joining our CCC Social Games. Our trainees are quite happy about this because they get to play with different players from different training backgrounds.

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[hkhung]

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Below is a brief history about our CCC Badminton Club, a standard mail sent to everyone asking about our club.

It might throw some light to what we have been discussing thus far. :):):)

====== ====== start mail ====== ======


CCC was initially established as a Coaching Club. Our trainees worked on exercises in footwork, strokes, drills, player's positions, match tactics, reaction time, etc... CCC was to teach trainees the 'Art of Playing Better Badminton'. We run a structured program for training purposes only. Our trainees are trained to focus on improving their own skill and ability.

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It was later, when our trainees suggested that they wished to play more games, to practise amongst themselves, that our Social Games sessions were organised. We then welcome visitors to participate in our Social Games.

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At the moment, we have many visiting players joining our CCC Social Games. Our trainees are quite happy about this because they get to play with different players from different training backgrounds.

====== ====== end mail ====== ======
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It's only fair to say that, you (myself included) can't really comment on anything unless you know the full details.

So, maybe this should be compulsory reading (or better yet, whoever ask question about CCC - tell them to read post XXX) for all members :D

As I am sure this would encourage people to join in the "fun" in our forum.

[Cheung]

Chris,

I have seen both being combined. Social and competitive.

I went to one club where the games are arranged by an organiser. It's very good. The first games have stronger and weaker players paired up. That's more for the social aspect and those wishing to play against stronger players.

Later on in the evening, the games are changed around. Pairings are arranged into roughly equal standards so that everybody gets a tough runaround and a challenge.

The needs of both groups are met in a single night.

For those wishing formalised training, that's different. They need the drills and them a couple of training games at the end. IMO, it's best done on another session.

[chris-ccc]

Chris,

I have seen both being combined. Social and competitive.

I went to one club where the games are arranged by an organiser. It's very good. The first games have stronger and weaker players paired up. That's more for the social aspect and those wishing to play against stronger players.

Later on in the evening, the games are changed around. Pairings are arranged into roughly equal standards so that everybody gets a tough runaround and a challenge.

The needs of both groups are met in a single night.

For those wishing formalised training, that's different. They need the drills and them a couple of training games at the end. IMO, it's best done on another session.



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Hi Cheung,

What you've posted here was exactly what you've told me when I drove you to our CCC Badminton session when you were in Melbourne. I remembered it well. In fact, we have already done so. :D:D:D

We have now allowed our players to select with whom they want to play against/with.

We have even allow our Singles specialists to select 2 players to play against (ie 2-against-1), so that they are subject to greater pressure. :D:D:D

On the matter of "formalised training", we never mix it up our "Social Badminton Session" with our "Coaching and Training Session". Our trainees@Training are under strict control/discipline, while our players@Social Games are not. :):):)
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[chris-ccc]

For those wishing formalised training, that's different. They need the drills and them a couple of training games at the end. IMO, it's best done on another session.






On the matter of "formalised training", we never mix it up our "Social Badminton Session" with our "Coaching And Training Session".



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Greetings,

Received many emails/PMs asking questions.

Questions:
(1) I am new to playing Badminton, can I join CCC Badminton Club?
(2) When I come to CCC, can you teach me how to improve my Badminton?

The above questions have caused me to post here in this thread.

Answers:
(1) CCC has an objective/aim/purpose: To promote Badminton to as many people as possible.
All our CCCers will play with everyone, regardless of skill levels. If they don't, then they might have forgotten what CCC stands for. We have many posts in our CCC threads to remind our CCCers about this matter.

Similar to Badminton Central, it doesn't matter what skill levels our BCers are, because all people interested in Badminton are invited to participate. This is why CCC is based at Badminton Central. And this is why ALL BCers are invited to play at CCC.

(2) As mentioned in previous posts in this thread with our BC moderator, Cheung, we do not use our Social Sessions to teach players.

CCC has CATS (Coaching And Training Sessions) every Sunday at MSAC. It is there where our CCCers learn new skills. There, we do drills; repetitions of strokes/footwork in order to improve our skills in Badminton.

It is at our CCC CATS, where we provide instructions, demonstrations and explanations on how to improve our Badminton. For that thread, click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36264)

Cheers... chris-ccc
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