KKK/TBH lose again???

[alfa-2]

I've not here to watch the match or the scoreline............what have actually happened to them?? losing to some unworthy pairs have been so common for this world number 1.:rolleyes:

[kacey]

I think the reason for the lost is they dun want to meet the CTF/LWW in the next round.

[zqloy]

Watched the match. They basically blew it. Lose focus and too many errors.

[kacey]

I did't watch the match but as i said just now they are probably helping CTF/LWW to gain some point so that they would qualify for olampic.
What you think?

[robin7]

Why I didn't see any threads on "FHY/CY lose again???"

What is the objective of this thread? To me, it serves no purpose but acts as an open door for bashing.

[alfa-2]

I think the reason for the lost is they dun want to meet the CTF/LWW in the next round.

that's the reason?? they could have just won the match and do a LYB's strategy tomorrow if you are right, right??;)

[alfa-2]

Why I didn't see any threads on "FHY/CY lose again???"

What is the objective of this thread? To me, it serves no purpose but acts as an open door for bashing.

just to find out the reason why they have been losing to much much lower ranked pairs which has been so common lately.:confused::confused::confused: over confident?? is that it??

[kacey]

is the prize money for china open is not so attrative that there are so many setback for the seeded player????

[eaglehelang]

just to find out the reason why they have been losing to much much lower ranked pairs which has been so common lately.:confused::confused::confused: over confident?? is that it??

No alfa, they are not overconfident. Both of them look fatigued - I watched the match on GD Sports. They were out of sorts, out of focus whereas the Taiwan pair were fired up. Hope they get good rest.

In post match interview, KKK look dissappointed with their own performance.

Similar with Fu/Cai against Zakry/Fairuz but to me Fu/Cai more physically tired, maybe Cai Yun not fully recover from injury.

[Loopy]

I did't watch the match but as i said just now they are probably helping CTF/LWW to gain some point so that they would qualify for olampic.
What you think?

I think not.
They are tired mentally and physically.
And they probably are having trouble recuperating from the jet lag from Europe... sometimes, it takes a day, other times weeks :eek:

[eaglehelang]

is the prize money for china open is not so attrative that there are so many setback for the seeded player????

Nope, prize $$$ for all SS is the same.

[robin7]

Nope, prize $$$ for all SS is the same.
Not really. Korea Open has the biggest prize money among the 12 Super Series. For instance, MS champion of Japan Open received USD16k while Indonesia Open USD20k.

[alfa-2]

No alfa, they are not overconfident. Both of them look fatigued - I watched the match on GD Sports. They were out of sorts, out of focus whereas the Taiwan pair were fired up. Hope they get good rest.

In post match interview, KKK look dissappointed with their own performance.

Similar with Fu/Cai against Zakry/Fairuz but to me Fu/Cai more physically tired, maybe Cai Yun not fully recover from injury.

i don't think it's the same at all........this is even a bigger upset than FHF/CY's loss as Zakry/Fairuz has been the finalist of IO and at the same time are Rexy's charge. So CHN loss was somehow still reasonable.

This is an unknown pair. I think they underestimated their opponents, should have won of the match since they both had been leading in both sets.;)

[hhs1000]

Upsets make tournaments interesting. For every sad Malaysian fan, there are more happy Taiwanese fans.

If you follow the latest trend closely, the Taiwanese has been making steady progress in the doubles departments.

Besides, everybody trains hard to win and the Taiwanese pair may even train harder for this tournament.

So enjoy the game (and the upset too).

[huangkwokhau]

Nope, prize $$$ for all SS is the same.
Not the same,.,..some with US$ 200K, Like Indonesia Open US$ 250 K..I believe Korea is 300 K...( if I am right)

[huangkwokhau]

Upsets make tournaments interesting. For every sad Malaysian fan, there are more happy Taiwanese fans.

If you follow the latest trend closely, the Taiwanese has been making steady progress in the doubles departments.

Besides, everybody trains hard to win and the Taiwanese pair may even train harder for this tournament.

So enjoy the game (and the upset too).
This shows us that badminton in MD is very competitive....from KK/TBH or CY/FHF...good news is that it will make badminton more interesting for each match...Taiwanese coach were happy last nite as they have 2 MDs in QTR....also MAS has 2 also..while Ina/korea/China and Denmark has one...

[bcmmgr]

If you follow the latest trend closely, the Taiwanese has been making steady progress in the doubles departments.

Besides, everybody trains hard to win and the Taiwanese pair may even train harder for this tournament.

So enjoy the game (and the upset too).

Ya, I think Taiwan current MD coach is previous China single player Luan-Jin ?? Now both MAS pair facing Taiwanese in Quarter final........oh oh....

[suetyan]

one reason, players will never win all the titles, unless they are really 'top'.

[eaglehelang]

i don't think it's the same at all........this is even a bigger upset than FHF/CY's loss as Zakry/Fairuz has been the finalist of IO and at the same time are Rexy's charge. So CHN loss was somehow still reasonable.

This is an unknown pair. I think they underestimated their opponents, should have won of the match since they both had been leading in both sets.;)

I meant similar in the sense that both KKK/TBH and Fu/Cai were tired, not in the opponents they lost to. To me, KKK/TBH looked more tired than Fu/Cai.

[eaglehelang]

Not the same,.,..some with US$ 200K, Like Indonesia Open US$ 250 K..I believe Korea is 300 K...( if I am right)


Not really. Korea Open has the biggest prize money among the 12 Super Series. For instance, MS champion of Japan Open received USD16k while Indonesia Open USD20k.

Thanks for the clarification. I thought all are USD$200k. I know min is USD$200K

[bcmmgr]

I think KKK/TBH kind of lost it on purpose. IF you analysis properly:

1>. KKK/TBH need to enter at lease Final in order to gain more ranking point, if they lost in semi final, they still gain no extra point.

2>. IF CY/FHF win China Open, they will over take KKK/TBH as Rank No.1, but now they lost in 1st round, so KKK/TBH can actually skip China Open and give way to CTF/LWW, and KKK/TBH still maintain their No1. status.

3>. CTF/LWW currently Rank No.5 and JSJ/LYD currently Rank No.4, check on the ranking point, CTF/LWW need to go 1 round further in order to over take JSJ/LYD as No.4.

4>. IF follow Rexy plan to have 3 pairs in Olympic, for this China Open, after CY/FHF lsot in 1st round, is better for CTF/LWW go further then KKK/TBH. Hopefully JSJ/LYD will lost in Quarter, or else CTF/LWW need to beat JSJ/LYD in semi in order to claim Rank No.4.

5>. Is better for KKK/TBH lost in early round and prepare for HK open, cause they will waste energy for China Open if they cannot enter final to gain more point, at the same time also help CTF/LWW (if possible) to claim rank No.4, which is long term olympic plan.

[abedeng]

Err, I don't believe one bit that they lost on purpose, just a case of bad form. Very surprising really, I initially thought new scoring system will give the established top pairs (most of whom are young and play fast) a better chance too hold on to top spots. Apparently not, top pairs are finding it hard against formerly "piece-of-cake" opponents.

Very good for badminton, indeed!

[lipans]

make sense.....

[xymaerts]

Is alway like that.. KKK/TBH likes to follow CHN foot steps..Each time CHN crash out in earlier round.. they like to follow

[bcmmgr]

Err, I don't believe one bit that they lost on purpose, just a case of bad form. Very surprising really, I initially thought new scoring system will give the established top pairs (most of whom are young and play fast) a better chance too hold on to top spots. Apparently not, top pairs are finding it hard against formerly "piece-of-cake" opponents.

Very good for badminton, indeed!

You may be right they are in bad form. But is true that is wasting their energy if they cannot enter final to earn more ranking point, even if they can enter semi final play hard and lost, they still earn no extra point. If is true that they are in bad form and tired, they certainly know that they don't have to win this match and let CTF/LWW do the job as CTF/LWW needs this tournament more then KKK/TBH. (anyway is only my guess).

I think in future more top player will lost to the unknown player, cause when they are top, all people will like to study them and try to break them, and usually nobody put a lot of focus on unknown player (do not study them much), as well as unknown player get bit of potential, maybe with good coach, do good homework, they can do the upset. I believe Taiwan now has good MD coach.

[ants]

No pair will go play and lose in on purpose.

[danielwong]

whatever the reason, their defeat is a hard pill to swallow
but we cant blame them as they are just human
give them time and they will be back!!!

[Pemuda]

Hmmm ... how about a Malaysia Boleh for KKK/TBH? :rolleyes:

[eaglehelang]

No pair will go play and lose in on purpose.

True, True, esp with Rexy around. Ants, tell them dont take it too hard.

[Inky2000]

4> IF follow Rexy plan to have 3 pairs in Olympic, for this China Open, after CY/FHF lsot in 1st round, is better for CTF/LWW go further then KKK/TBH. Hopefully JSJ/LYD will lost in Quarter, or else CTF/LWW need to beat JSJ/LYD in semi in order to claim Rank No.4.


I doubt this is one of the reasons. KKK/TBH could still enter to QF and then "pretend" to lose to CTF/LWW, which is better than losing to an unheralded pair.

Check out The Star today,

http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/11/23/sports/19557459&sec=sports

...

It was the third time that Kien Keat-Boon Heong crashed out at the early stage of the Series. They also made early exits in Singapore and Japan.
But their defeat did not come as a big surprise, considering the condition of Boon Heong. He had complained of feeling the effects of a hectic schedule over the last few months. However, he will still be featuring in the final leg of the Series in Hong Kong next week.

...


Well, they may be fatigue, but they are youngsters after all. Look at CTF/LWW whom we always have doubt in their stamina due to age factor. They managed to enter the final of the previous leg of SS (French) and yet they probably has never complained about or looked tired at China SS at the moment. I'm inclined to think that KKK/TBH is still unstable in their performance.

[zqloy]

No excuse for the lost. They should hv won the match already by giving a lil bit more focus and effort. Still not mature enough.

[jeremyjuve]

I doubt this is one of the reasons. KKK/TBH could still enter to QF and then "pretend" to lose to CTF/LWW, which is better than losing to an unheralded pair.

Check out The Star today,

http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/11/23/sports/19557459&sec=sports

...

It was the third time that Kien Keat-Boon Heong crashed out at the early stage of the Series. They also made early exits in Singapore and Japan.
But their defeat did not come as a big surprise, considering the condition of Boon Heong. He had complained of feeling the effects of a hectic schedule over the last few months. However, he will still be featuring in the final leg of the Series in Hong Kong next week.

...


Well, they may be fatigue, but they are youngsters after all. Look at CTF/LWW whom we always have doubt in their stamina due to age factor. They managed to enter the final of the previous leg of SS (French) and yet they probably has never complained about or looked tired at China SS at the moment. I'm inclined to think that KKK/TBH is still unstable in their performance.

I totally agreed with u mate

[bcmmgr]

No pair will go play and lose in on purpose.

Sorry ants, sorry KKK/TBH.....

Maybe I read too much news about how China plan for their players, who should win and who should lost !!

Hope KKK/TBH will recover soon......

[jeremyjuve]

I think KKK/TBH kind of lost it on purpose. IF you analysis properly:

1>. KKK/TBH need to enter at lease Final in order to gain more ranking point, if they lost in semi final, they still gain no extra point.

2>. IF CY/FHF win China Open, they will over take KKK/TBH as Rank No.1, but now they lost in 1st round, so KKK/TBH can actually skip China Open and give way to CTF/LWW, and KKK/TBH still maintain their No1. status.

3>. CTF/LWW currently Rank No.5 and JSJ/LYD currently Rank No.4, check on the ranking point, CTF/LWW need to go 1 round further in order to over take JSJ/LYD as No.4.

4>. IF follow Rexy plan to have 3 pairs in Olympic, for this China Open, after CY/FHF lsot in 1st round, is better for CTF/LWW go further then KKK/TBH. Hopefully JSJ/LYD will lost in Quarter, or else CTF/LWW need to beat JSJ/LYD in semi in order to claim Rank No.4.

5>. Is better for KKK/TBH lost in early round and prepare for HK open, cause they will waste energy for China Open if they cannot enter final to gain more point, at the same time also help CTF/LWW (if possible) to claim rank No.4, which is long term olympic plan.

C'mon man, im a die hard fan of them as well..but i believe if they really wanna let CTF/LWW gain more pts they can always win that match first (2nd round) and then lose to CTF/LWW rather than giving the match to the unknown Taiwanese and risking themselves being the bombing targets again when they return to M'sia.....they were just tired and didnt focus enough in that game....cheerrzzzzz;)

[Silencer]

Is alway like that.. KKK/TBH likes to follow CHN foot steps..Each time CHN crash out in earlier round.. they like to follow

haha, thats wad i thought as well.:D

[Silencer]

Is alway like that.. KKK/TBH likes to follow CHN foot steps..Each time CHN crash out in earlier round.. they like to follow

maybe they feel no fu/cai no challenge, so they feel no meaning la this tournament so giv up lo

[Silencer]

C'mon man, im a die hard fan of them as well..but i believe if they really wanna let CTF/LWW gain more pts they can always win that match first (2nd round) and then lose to CTF/LWW rather than giving the match to the unknown Taiwanese and risking themselves being the bombing targets again when they return to M'sia.....they were just tired and didnt focus enough in that game....cheerrzzzzz;)

how come they were tired? last week no torunament for them aso.?

[eaglehelang]

Well, they may be fatigue, but they are youngsters after all. Look at CTF/LWW whom we always have doubt in their stamina due to age factor. They managed to enter the final of the previous leg of SS and yet they probably has never complained about or looked tired at China SS at the moment. I'm inclined to think that KKK/TBH is still unstable in their performance.

1) To be fair to TBH, it's his 1st year as top player. I suppose he's not used to this type of schedule yet.

I read the original interview (done before they went China). The question posed was could they win back-to-back titles to make it 8 in year like Nicol David. They won 6 (4 SS, 2 GP Gold). So, TBH played down their chances, saying his condition not that good (fitness wise). KKK said the same thing in his blog.

They've won 6 titles in their 1st year together, 4 SS equal to Fu/Cai, pretty good for relatively new pair. In any case let the matter rest.

Fu/Cai have been losing early rounds lately(though not to unheralded players), you dont see forum members bashing them. I know there're a lot Malaysians here, but even the China media/commentator are more forgiving compared to Malaysia.

Kido/Setiawan only won big title - WC, early in the year, they were losing early rounds too. They lost tamely to KKK/TBH till the commentator also wonder "what's wrong the World Champs?"


I'm more inclined to think KKK havent fully recovered from his flu bug & blisters. In Europe, TBH was in form enough to help KKK. In this tourney, TBH looked equally drained out.

2) CTF/LWW also lost early round in Denmark. They didnt have to play in 4 country invitational last week. Just cos they're veteran, I think they've found ways to overcome the fatigued feeling and focus.

[eaglehelang]

how come they were tired? last week no torunament for them aso.?

Last week, KKK played in the 4 country invitational, in XD with WPT. CTF/LWW didnt have to play in that team match.

[Inky2000]

Last week, KKK played in the 4 country invitational, in XD with WPT. CTF/LWW didnt have to play in that team match.

Hard to believe that KKK cannot recover from one match he played last week. No jetlag or long-haul travel either because Foshan and Guangzhou is only 30+ km apart.

I'm not bashing them when I argued that "their performance is still unstable" as I know they are young and need time to achieve consistency (yes, I'm forgiving). The reason I come out with this argument is that even if TBH is "not used to such a schedule", I can swallow if they lose to other high-ranked pairs at early rounds, but not keeping on losing to unheralded pairs given their real capability. Remember that during their early peak in the first half of this year, being able to beat them was quite a "prestige". And now, they still maintain unbeaten record against MK/HS, JE/MLH etc., and yet JAP and TPE pairs could beat them.

[Pemuda]

Last week, KKK played in the 4 country invitational, in XD with WPT. CTF/LWW didnt have to play in that team match.

Maybe we should not be so fast in taking out that broken violin and play that same old, same old excuses.

[carine]

KKK/TBH will lost izit the wind problem?bcs many player said the wind in there is very strong

[badMania]

I think KKK/TBH kind of lost it on purpose. IF you analysis properly:

1>. KKK/TBH need to enter at lease Final in order to gain more ranking point, if they lost in semi final, they still gain no extra point.

2>. IF CY/FHF win China Open, they will over take KKK/TBH as Rank No.1, but now they lost in 1st round, so KKK/TBH can actually skip China Open and give way to CTF/LWW, and KKK/TBH still maintain their No1. status.

3>. CTF/LWW currently Rank No.5 and JSJ/LYD currently Rank No.4, check on the ranking point, CTF/LWW need to go 1 round further in order to over take JSJ/LYD as No.4.

4>. IF follow Rexy plan to have 3 pairs in Olympic, for this China Open, after CY/FHF lsot in 1st round, is better for CTF/LWW go further then KKK/TBH. Hopefully JSJ/LYD will lost in Quarter, or else CTF/LWW need to beat JSJ/LYD in semi in order to claim Rank No.4.

5>. Is better for KKK/TBH lost in early round and prepare for HK open, cause they will waste energy for China Open if they cannot enter final to gain more point, at the same time also help CTF/LWW (if possible) to claim rank No.4, which is long term olympic plan.

Hmm...giving excuses??? I don't think KKK/TBH lose it on purpose :cool:

[badMania]

Last week, KKK played in the 4 country invitational, in XD with WPT. CTF/LWW didnt have to play in that team match.

Kido/Hendra played in Kejurnas too....5 full matches :cool:

[wilfredlgf]

Ooh, match fixing! :eek:

;)

[vching]

aiyoh.... all pairs will win and lose. Just because they lose to an unheralded pair dosen't mean anything. Besides, look on the bright side, we now know who to support in today's QF featuring Choong and Lee vs. the Taipei pair? :D :D

[badMania]

Kido/Setiawan only won big title - WC, early in the year, they were losing early rounds too. They lost tamely to KKK/TBH till the commentator also wonder "what's wrong the World Champs?"


To be fair to them, they only lost in Quarter-Finals onwards (except for the All England when they lost in R16). Also, they win 2 titles, including one GP Gold event. Their only achiles heel is the record against KKK/TBH :cool: Still, they never lost to Jap or Taiwanese pairs (no matter whats the excuses).

Nevertheless, the World Championships title is a huge one that people will always remember and that one will last until 2009 :D If they can defend the titles in Guangzhou and Hong Kong (a big IF that is), then I would say that they had a relatively good year too :cool:

[badMania]

Err, I don't believe one bit that they lost on purpose, just a case of bad form. Very surprising really, I initially thought new scoring system will give the established top pairs (most of whom are young and play fast) a better chance too hold on to top spots. Apparently not, top pairs are finding it hard against formerly "piece-of-cake" opponents.


The fairest and most objective comment as always from abedeng.

Nobody gave the Chinese-Taipei pair and Japanese pairs a chance (including me of course) and they turned out to be the surprise winners :cool:

[X Ball]

The long and short of this is that KKK-TBH have shown that they can come back and beat anyone after a loss or two.

So as long as they can do that, I can excuse them because anyone can have an off-day. Besides, I like to see TF-WW win this now that their compatriots are sitting on the bench.

[badMania]

The long and short of this is that KKK-TBH have shown that they can come back and beat anyone after a loss or two.

So as long as they can do that, I can excuse them because anyone can have an off-day. Besides, I like to see TF-WW win this now that their compatriots are sitting on the bench.

Its high time Choong/Lee win a major title and with only Kido/Hendra left in the draw, it will represent a good opportunity for them (as well as Kido/Hendra) to win their first Super Series title. I am leaning towards another encounter between Choong/Lee and Kido/Hendra in the Finals on Sunday.....that is if both pairs can clear the next two rounds :cool:

It will be another spectacular Final.....

[Jessica]

The sad thing is after the low ranked pair beating KKK/TBH in the early round,they will not go far and lose in the next round...Its so strange...

[X Ball]

Its high time Choong/Lee win a major title and with only Kido/Hendra left in the draw, it will represent a good opportunity for them (as well as Kido/Hendra) to win their first Super Series title. I am leaning towards another encounter between Choong/Lee and Kido/Hendra in the Finals on Sunday.....that is if both pairs can clear the next two rounds :cool:

It will be another spectacular Final.....

Wouldn't it be nice ? :) To rob the Chinese of their homeground advantage - it must have been a long time since it was done.

[X Ball]

The sad thing is after the low ranked pair beating KKK/TBH in the early round,they will not go far and lose in the next round...Its so strange...

Brilliant people do strange things (I am talking about KKK-TBH) but of course, for the lowly ranked pair we should not expect too much coz it would have been a 'fluke' win for them - so naturally you expect then to lose in the next game (not strange as you pointed out -- just pure logic).;)

[Felicia_txh]

Well...I feel tat after AE this year,after they won the MD title..I never c confidence n the spirit to win in KKK anymore..He seem like lack of confidence in every tournament..:(and I feel tat there is a contradiction between KKK n TBH..

[Inky2000]

aiyoh.... all pairs will win and lose. Just because they lose to an unheralded pair dosen't mean anything.

Their "challenge" (if you don't like the word "problem") is that they "keep" losing to unheralded pairs - pairs that are unlikely to go far in the future. They could beat top pairs en-route towin a title in one tournament and then lose tamely to a lowly-ranked pair at the next immediate tournament. CY/FHF and MK/HS never seem to have such a problem in the past whole year - they lost from time to time too, but to relatively established pairs or at least pairs that we believe in their potential.

Let's see how the top-3 pairs fair after Swiss SS when KKK/TBH started to show their inconsistency (WC and SS only) ...

China SS:
KKK/TBH - lost to TPE pair (2nd rnd)
CY/FHF - lost to Zakry/Fairuzizuan (1st rnd)
MK/HS - still on!

French SS:
KKK/TBH - lost to JPN pair (qf)
CY/FHF - winner
MK/HS - lost to CTF/LWW (qf)

Denmark SS:
KKK/TBH - winner
CY/FHF - lost to JE/MLH (sf)
MK/HS - lost to KKK/TBH (sf)

Japan SS:
KKK/TBH - lost to Luluk/Alvent (2nd rnd)
CY/FHF - lost to LP/JR (2nd rnd)
MK/HS - lost to Luluk/Alvent (sf)

WC:
KKK/TBH - lost to JPN pair (3rd rnd)
CY/FHF - lost to CTF/LWW (3rd rnd)
MK/HS - winner

China Masters:
KKK/TBH - didn't participate
CY/FHF - winner
MK/HS - lost to CY/FHF (final)

Indonesia SS:
KKK/TBH -lost to CY/FHF (sf)
CY/FHF - winner
MK/HS - lost to KKK/TBH (qf)

Singapore SS:
KKK/TBH - lost to Zakry/Fairuzizuan (1st rnd) - that was before Zakry/Fairuzizuan demonstrated their potential to become future world beater
CY/FHF - winner
MK/HS - lost to CTF/LWW (sf)

[Loh]

X Ball's previous excited pronouncement of

"A new Dawn for Malaysia" ... in the persons of KKK/TBH...has begun to falter and turn dimmer despite the approach of the morning sun... as the young and unknown Taiwanese pair was able to tear them apart!

Is this the arrival of a new dawn for Taiwan instead? :rolleyes:

[wilfredlgf]

Did they go for an entire calendar year winning nothing?
Did they get knocked out by unknowns on a regular basis?
Did any/both of them get career threatening injuries?
Any of them with serious disciplinary issues?
Were there fallouts within the national team stable?

Making a mountain out of a molehill, this.

[X Ball]

X Ball's previous excited pronouncement of

"A new Dawn for Malaysia" ... in the persons of KKK/TBH...has begun to falter and turn dimmer despite the approach of the morning sun... as the young and unknown Taiwanese pair was able to tear them apart!

Is this the arrival of a new dawn for Taiwan instead? :rolleyes:

It will be 'sunset' for them today when TF-WW finishes with them.

[X Ball]

Did they go for an entire calendar year winning nothing?
Did they get knocked out by unknowns on a regular basis?
Did any/both of them get career threatening injuries?
Any of them with serious disciplinary issues?
Were there fallouts within the national team stable?

Making a mountain out of a molehill, this.


YES, what do you expect ? TBH said he is fatigue.:D And we have to believe him coz look at what happened when no one believed LCW when he said he had an excuse. He proved everybody wrong.:D

[abedeng]

The string of losses of top pairs (not just Koo/Tan) against much lower ranked opponents since the scoring system was revised, are much too frequent to be called flukes. My guess is, the faster tempo has added a few unwelcome traits, reducing "thinking play" and tactical flexibility.

Doubles pairs are probably relying too much on coaches guidance during intervals and forgot to use their own minds. While it does not necessarily mean that the gap between the top and bottom has reduced, it does gives rise to specific patterns of play from certain lower ranked pairs, that top pairs are unable to overcome successfully if their gameplan is not flexible.

So we have Koo/Tan, dominating against the World Champs and Danish opposition, poor against JPN/TPE pairs. Or Cai/Fu, great when playing all high speed opponents esp Koreans, but stumble against older experienced pairs. Or the World Champs, dominant against everyone bar their two main opposition.

Never saw this happen to Rexy/Ricky, Cheah/Yap or during the golden years of the Sidek bros, Professor Park and Coach Li Yongbo/Tian Bingyi. Park, especially could adapt with any player, and still beat other top pairs without his regular partner Kim Moon Soo. And you can almost guarantee that the same top 4 feature in semifinals of almost all tournaments.

[wilfredlgf]

YES, what do you expect ? TBH said he is fatigue.:D And we have to believe him coz look at what happened when no one believed LCW when he said he had an excuse. He proved everybody wrong.:DYou, my man, needs a good spank up the backside.

[azabaz_ipoh]

The string of losses of top pairs (not just Koo/Tan) against much lower ranked opponents since the scoring system was revised, are much too frequent to be called flukes. My guess is, the faster tempo has added a few unwelcome traits, reducing "thinking play" and tactical flexibility.

Doubles pairs are probably relying too much on coaches guidance during intervals and forgot to use their own minds. While it does not necessarily mean that the gap between the top and bottom has reduced, it does gives rise to specific patterns of play from certain lower ranked pairs, that top pairs are unable to overcome successfully if their gameplan is not flexible.

So we have Koo/Tan, dominating against the World Champs and Danish opposition, poor against JPN/TPE pairs. Or Cai/Fu, great when playing all high speed opponents esp Koreans, but stumble against older experienced pairs. Or the World Champs, dominant against everyone bar their two main opposition.

Never saw this happen to Rexy/Ricky, Cheah/Yap or during the golden years of the Sidek bros, Professor Park and Coach Li Yongbo/Tian Bingyi. Park, especially could adapt with any player, and still beat other top pairs without his regular partner Kim Moon Soo. And you can almost guarantee that the same top 4 feature in semifinals of almost all tournaments.

so maybe it is the NSS after all. it changes the strategy part of the game. whereas before it is mostly the fight of strategy and mental toughness, now it is more fast power play and mental toughness. we have seen it over and over again how no one MD team can dominate totally and they can't even consistantly reach the semi finals. this is why i miss the OSS. :)

[X Ball]

You, my man, needs a good spank up the backside.


My friend, spanking is a specialty of the dark ages. In Malaysia, we will give you the rotans, more painful - I am not sure you would spank me or I would rotan you.:D

[ants]

I will let them choose... a belt or a rotan?

[Loh]

It will be 'sunset' for them today when TF-WW finishes with them.

Or the other way round - a real dark sunset for the veteran pair if they should lose! :eek:

[Loh]

My friend, spanking is a specialty of the dark ages. In Malaysia, we will give you the rotans, more painful - I am not sure you would spank me or I would rotan you.:D

Ask those who have experienced Singapore's famous (erh...infamous) whip! :eek::cool::D

[wilfredlgf]

They're veterans, they're supposed to ride into the sunset. They ain't spring chickens you know.

[zqloy]

I feel KKK/TBH hv to approach the game with right attitudes. Both giving out fatigue, tired as excuses already b4 the tournament. Perhaps its true that they r in bad shape, but "letting everybody know 1st just in case we lose" attitude is no fighters spirit. They should learn a thing or two from Nadal, not giving injury and fatigue as excuses and just fight on court. He even beat Federer when his leg is injured during FO 2005, nobody knows that b4 his recent interview, very impressive indeed.

Dont make the world no.1 status looks laughable. Learn to act and be like one.

[chickenpoodle]

so maybe it is the NSS after all. it changes the strategy part of the game. whereas before it is mostly the fight of strategy and mental toughness, now it is more fast power play and mental toughness. we have seen it over and over again how no one MD team can dominate totally and they can't even consistantly reach the semi finals. this is why i miss the OSS. :)

maybe it just means the top pairs aren't training hard enough? why blame the scoring system? blame the players... if they're -good- enough, they'll adapt. correct?

and this is why i like the NSS.
its almost not worth watching if its the same pairs in the last two or three rounds at every tournament.
besides, we usually get the same people in the last few rounds, but its just with the occasional splash of upsets in results, we have increased interest where none may have existed before.
with the taiwanese success over the malaysian pair, and maybe another one in the next round, the taiwanese audience would of grown!

more people watching, means more people playing.
and with more people playing, the more support and exposure there will be for our sport.

ultimately, we all win.

[Hazeef]

I think KKK/TBH kind of lost it on purpose. IF you analysis properly:

1>. KKK/TBH need to enter at lease Final in order to gain more ranking point, if they lost in semi final, they still gain no extra point.

2>. IF CY/FHF win China Open, they will over take KKK/TBH as Rank No.1, but now they lost in 1st round, so KKK/TBH can actually skip China Open and give way to CTF/LWW, and KKK/TBH still maintain their No1. status.

3>. CTF/LWW currently Rank No.5 and JSJ/LYD currently Rank No.4, check on the ranking point, CTF/LWW need to go 1 round further in order to over take JSJ/LYD as No.4.

4>. IF follow Rexy plan to have 3 pairs in Olympic, for this China Open, after CY/FHF lsot in 1st round, is better for CTF/LWW go further then KKK/TBH. Hopefully JSJ/LYD will lost in Quarter, or else CTF/LWW need to beat JSJ/LYD in semi in order to claim Rank No.4.

5>. Is better for KKK/TBH lost in early round and prepare for HK open, cause they will waste energy for China Open if they cannot enter final to gain more point, at the same time also help CTF/LWW (if possible) to claim rank No.4, which is long term olympic plan.


Okay, this makes sense...but why have to lose to unknown pair? they should at least have some faith right? why dun jus proceed to QTR and lose to CTF/LWW? I think they were overconfident (maybe). underestimating their opponents...meanwhile, the taiwanese MD players are becoming tougher. look at the other Taiwanese pair who beaten the Denmark player in second round. They were qualifiers! Hope that Zakry/Fairuzizuan wouldnt underestimate them as well. And for KKK/TBH, i dunno what to say. i hope they can do better in Hong Kong. And yeah, for Hafiz Hashim as well. :p

[Inky2000]

and this is why i like the NSS.
its almost not worth watching if its the same pairs in the last two or three rounds at every tournament.
besides, we usually get the same people in the last few rounds, but its just with the occasional splash of upsets in results, we have increased interest where none may have existed before.
with the taiwanese success over the malaysian pair, and maybe another one in the next round, the taiwanese audience would of grown!

more people watching, means more people playing.
and with more people playing, the more support and exposure there will be for our sport.

Well said. Even if those surprise upsetters couldn't last long, they do make the tournaments more interesting.

Remember when Wacha advanced to the sf of China Masters, many predicted that he was another top player in making. I made a comment that he was at the tail end of his 15-minute fame but no one cared. His performance in the subsequent tournaments have kind of proven my argument. However, when he appeared in China Open, I still kept an eye on him as he was back to the country that he produced the best result in his career - only to witness him crashed out in the first round in the hand of the still unheralded YKB.

[Smichz]

huhuhuh...they surely broke ur heart man..Like i've predicted,they'll never win this competition.Seems that every hopefull seeds got lost.Just now,GL/ZB were beaten by the Thai XD,and no 2 seeds in chinese XD pair,they were lost to England's XD.Hehe..everything changed in this tournament.

[drifit]

huhuhuh...they surely broke ur heart man..Like i've predicted,they'll never win this competition.Seems that every hopefull seeds got lost.Just now,GL/ZB were beaten by the Thai XD,and no 2 seeds in chinese XD pair,they were lost to England's XD.Hehe..everything changed in this tournament.

China is welcoming players to Olympic 2008...............:D:D:D

[jeremyjuve]

I feel KKK/TBH hv to approach the game with right attitudes. Both giving out fatigue, tired as excuses already b4 the tournament. Perhaps its true that they r in bad shape, but "letting everybody know 1st just in case we lose" attitude is no fighters spirit. They should learn a thing or two from Nadal, not giving injury and fatigue as excuses and just fight on court. He even beat Federer when his leg is injured during FO 2005, nobody knows that b4 his recent interview, very impressive indeed.

Dont make the world no.1 status looks laughable. Learn to act and be like one.

100% agree with u zqloy, u've stolen the words outta my mouth...
Hope that they will try harder nx time... vbmenu_register("postmenu_724652", true); vbmenu_register("postmenu_724652", true);

[abedeng]

It must be said though, TPE already had a world class WD pair and a decent WS player, now they are building up MD and XD aggressively. All they need is a strong MS to start challenging for honours.

[Inky2000]

It must be said though, TPE already had a world class WD pair and a decent WS player, now they are building up MD and XD aggressively. All they need is a strong MS to start challenging for honours.

To me, they look more like another Thailand in making - with a few frequent world beaters and occasional Grand Prix winners around but not good enough to become a decent challenger in Sudirman Cup League 1, TC, UC, OG or WC. TPE's weakest link is MS while Thailand is WS.

[eaglehelang]

Maybe we should not be so fast in taking out that broken violin and play that same old, same old excuses.

It's not excuse. Once again, read the other parts of my post. This is again : their 1st year together. Again, they already won 4 SS, 2 GP Gold.

Fu/Cai have been together for 4 years? Their earlier years they were losing a lot than winning. The pressure is even greater cos they are only China MD in top class.

Kido/Setiawan 3 years?? Did any of the Indonesian fans bash Kido/Setiawan earlier in the year when they were losing? Are they critizing them now?


2) For those who think TBH giving excuse, well... he's a simple straight forward young man, he just answer straight. No going round the bush punya.
And again the question was whether they could follow in Nicol's shoes to win 8 titles in a year, he played down their chances.


And yes, yes, yes, that's not what he should have said, blah, blah, blah.
he's not mature enuf yet, the partnership is not matured enuf yet... if I'm in their shoes, I'll feel very pressured too....

[Jessica]

Well...I think what TBH says is not giving any excuses but he is just being blunt and as eagle say he is a straight forward person,i think he did not bother to think of the excuses at all for his loses yesterday.When i watch the interview yesterday,i feel he just say out the truth..Not enough preparation for the game and lose it.Sometimes i really feel that the bashing towards them is a bit too much compare to other players.

[eaglehelang]

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I'm not bashing them when I argued that "their performance is still unstable" as I know they are young and need time to achieve consistency (yes, I'm forgiving). The reason I come out with this argument is that even if TBH is "not used to such a schedule", I can swallow if they lose to other high-ranked pairs at early rounds, but not keeping on losing to unheralded pairs given their real capability. Remember that during their early peak in the first half of this year, being able to beat them was quite a "prestige". And now, they still maintain unbeaten record against MK/HS, JE/MLH etc., and yet JAP and TPE pairs could beat them.

Ok, just one question, did you watch their match against the Taiwan pair? True, many cannot accept their lost, etc, etc which is already covered. This is 1st time I saw both KKK and TBH like no oomp. My 1st thought was: are they sick or what?
My point is :They dont have to say they're fatigued, it's very obvious in their faces and movements; any opponent can see it. And yes, yes, they have to learn to overcome it like a top pair should. Their partnership still have a lot to work on, they know that.

In case anybody say they should know how to hide it, Kido/Setiawan also show in their body language. The Korean pair Lee/Jung I'm not so sure, but sometimes can be observed too. So as some of the veteran pairs.

[chenchoiyenn]

we, i mean fans of koo-tan, should support them when winning or losing. i don't know why the loss, but i know they're still no.1 in my heart.

doesn't matter they win or lose, they're always no.1, even when they're too old and lose all their teeth.

[jasonmarc]

Well...I think what TBH says is not giving any excuses but he is just being blunt and as eagle say he is a straight forward person,i think he did not bother to think of the excuses at all for his loses yesterday.When i watch the interview yesterday,i feel he just say out the truth..Not enough preparation for the game and lose it.Sometimes i really feel that the bashing towards them is a bit too much compare to other players.

Yes, i agree...either KKK nor TBH...they didnt gave any excuses...i watched the late highlight..last night....both of them admitted they were not playing up to mark....and lost focus during the end of 1st. game...when they are leading at that time.....and eventually they lost.....and in 2nd. game they just cant lift their game....either in attacks nor deffences......they adnitted they were not played well enough and lost......they were looked quite depressed and sad during the interview....:crying:

[sweetlover]

Yes, i agree...either KKK nor TBH...they didnt gave any excuses...i watched the late highlight..last night....both of them admitted they were not playing up to mark....and lost focus during the end of 1st. game...when they are leading at that time.....and eventually they lost.....and in 2nd. game they just cant lift their game....either in attacks nor deffences......they adnitted they were not played well enough and lost......they were looked quite depressed and sad during the interview....:crying:
yup...
i watched the late highlight to...
it's obviously showed from their face that they r fatigue...:(
poor them...
hope their health will recover as soon as possible...:)

[pjswift]

maybe it just means the top pairs aren't training hard enough? why blame the scoring system? blame the players... if they're -good- enough, they'll adapt. correct?

and this is why i like the NSS.
its almost not worth watching if its the same pairs in the last two or three rounds at every tournament.
besides, we usually get the same people in the last few rounds, but its just with the occasional splash of upsets in results, we have increased interest where none may have existed before.
with the taiwanese success over the malaysian pair, and maybe another one in the next round, the taiwanese audience would of grown!

more people watching, means more people playing.
and with more people playing, the more support and exposure there will be for our sport.

ultimately, we all win.
Agree. We all win with NSS. No seed can take any opponent for granted.If they know nothing about their opponents but their unseeded opponents know everything about them and are well prepared, the seeded can end up sitting ducks as we've seen so far.

[ants]

Agree. We all win with NSS. No seed can take any opponent for granted.If they know nothing about their opponents but their unseeded opponents know everything about them and are well prepared, the seeded can end up sitting ducks as we've seen so far.

True.. we will only study about our main opponents and often take the lower ranked players for granted. Its much easier to play against a singles player if we are not prepared but its harder to play against the unranked doubles players if we underestimate them. All the tiny details must take into account.

[clearng]

Wowowo

KKK & TBH
lost in the early match
maybe is good thing
go to hong kong shopping is better staying in the *GOOD COMPETITION"

[extremenanopowe]

hopefully next year, they'll win more and more...

[chity hour]

hopefully next year, they'll win more and more...

no need to wait until next year ...
hopefully .. next week they'll win Hkg Open SS ;):cool:

[extremenanopowe]

Now that's what I call malaysia boleh. I like your optimism. Bagus sekali..

[s1nn3r]

I think we are putting too much attention and high hope in this pair… they are still young let them have fun and enjoy the game. Let them lose and learn from it, at what age did Rexy&Ricky achieve consistentcy? Same like CY?FHF & Other indo pairs…