Sad to not enjoy the game CH versus Bao...

Guess CH felt it was better to WO than to play a match he was not allowed to try to win :(

I am sad, it would have been a great battle :(

/twobeer

This is due to the very unique system of China badminton team. Individual player must scarifice their chances for the good of China team even if it is individual events. And who exactly will have a better chance against the opponent is entirely the discretion of the coaches.

In the case of Chen Hong WO, Bao will have the advantage of being fresh. The disadvantage, however, is he will have additional pressure to win the match for the "Team" and Chen Hong. This is because when Bao wins, Chen Hong will share 50% of Bao's price money.

China team can say whatever they want, for example, in the name of securing the win for the team. But the fact remains unchange, this is lousy sportmanship!!

This is due to the very unique system of China badminton team. Individual player must scarifice their chances for the good of China team even if it is individual events. And who exactly will have a better chance against the opponent is entirely the discretion of the coaches.

In the case of Chen Hong WO, Bao will have the advantage of being fresh. The disadvantage, however, is he will have additional pressure to win the match for the "Team" and Chen Hong. This is because when Bao wins, Chen Hong will share 50% of Bao's price money.

China team can say whatever they want, for example, in the name of securing the win for the team. But the fact remains unchange, this is lousy sportmanship!!

im not so sure about sharing the price money issue. maybe they have to share it with lyb though......:D:D:D

But do International rules accept this kind of situation?
Is possible that a coach say: "Today you have to retire?"
Where is the sportmanship?

Can't WBF take some strong decision against this behaviour?

P.S Can you tell me, why Chen Hong is out of national team? What did it happen, in the past? And if he is out, why can't he play freely and win against natiolal team players?

speechless..... :(

since BWF wont do anything bout it, all others should train harder n eliminate chn players b4 they meet each other n fix a match.

eg. PSH prevented another fixed match between LD vs BCL cos he got rid of LD in the early round.

is this time the fixing is too obvious that chn supporters dare not to say anything here??????????

CAT IS REALLY DISSAPOINTED!!!!!

since BWF wont do anything bout it, all others should train harder n eliminate chn players b4 they meet each other n fix a match.

To be fair maybe other countries players should play as a team against the chinese players, so Sony would leave WO against LCW and Kenneth would let Park rest and so on :)

But it would not be very fun for us lovers of watching the game, would it?

/Twobeer

i feel sorry for the fans, it would have been a nice game to watch.

Chinese supporters? Where are you?

no no no. All of you are misunderstanding the situation.

Chen Hong injured himself!

But you see, he will be able to play in HK open. Why? because all the chinese players have super fast recovery rates. They practise an ancient art of kung fu that enables them to heal themselves. What they do is they consult their witch doctors, and then the witch doctors will meditate for 24 hours straight. After that, they will go up to the mountains to collect herbs to heal themselves. And then they are healed. See, thats how they can heal an injury that would otherwise take several months to heal in 2 days!

Shame on China ...but the show must go on. Go INA, go MAS, go KOR, go DEN, go ENG.

at the moment, China vs the rest of the world seems pretty balanced, with China still having the slight edge. If you look at SS results so far, China wins on average 3, others 2.
In tomorrow's semi finals, there are 11 Chinese and 9 non-Chinese players/pairs.

Shame on China ...but the show must go on. Go INA, go MAS, go KOR, go DEN, go ENG.
Go the whole world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear members,

If it is true match fixing, it should not be tolerate as it will set other countries to follow suit the same actions. At the end, badminton will be a match fixing sport like football. Next time, the players can sell game to other players or other countries as they knew that no action is taken against them. It is bad for badminton as it is most popular sport in the region and hope that the name won't be tarnish just because of this bad incident of walkover without any valid reason.

From:
Ayu Badminton Lovers

so vching is right so far... not bogus theory

Dear members,

If it is true match fixing, it should not be tolerate as it will set other countries to follow suit the same actions. At the end, badminton will be a match fixing sport like football. Next time, the players can sell game to other players or other countries as they knew that no action is taken against them. It is bad for badminton as it is most popular sport in the region and hope that the name won't be tarnish just because of this bad incident of walkover without any valid reason.

From:
Ayu Badminton Lovers

dear ayu

i agree with you 1000 %

from

taufik-ist

Another question: But isn't there any place in the world where one can bet on badminton matches?
If yes, this walkover doesn't kill the credibility of it?

dear ayu

i agree with you 1000 %

from

taufik-ist
Dear Taufik,

Thank you. I hope that we will be able to see high class performance from every participating countries.

From:
Ayu

Another question: But isn't there any place in the world where one can bet on badminton matches?
If yes, this walkover doesn't kill the credibility of it?

still so phetatic.... :mad:

I don't understand Taufik-ist.
Don't you agree with me?
Why?

I don't understand Taufik-ist.
Don't you agree with me?
Why?

he..he sorry basically i agree with you... i just did quickreplying :D

I think he agrees with you. He just finds that whole match fixing system pathetic.

And isn't Chen Hong supposed to play for Hong Kong?

Oh, ok. Sorry.

But can you answer to my question?
Is it possible to bet on badminton matches?

These walkovers can damage who bet in these matches, no?

Oh, ok. Sorry.

But can you answer to my question?
Is it possible to bet on badminton matches?

These walkovers can damage who bet in these matches, no?

very possible... unofficially there are few/many people who bet on badminton matches.. as long as mansion doesn't include badmiton in their betting system.. badminton is still safe :D :D

I talk about legal betting.

Do you know some website where is possible to bet?

Who tell me because Chen Hong is out of national team?

Zhao Ting Ting and her partner also did not play at all ...so Zhang ya wen and Xie Zhuong Bao could be fresh tomorrow..........

When I saw Chen Hong in casual attire, I knew that he wont play for whatever reasons....

I talk about legal betting.

Do you know some website where is possible to bet?

legal betting will damage badmiton.. you know the winner prize of badminton champion is too 'low' compared with prize money of betting :D and someone can bribe badminton players with big money and they will be tempted to fix matches

www.mansion.com : online betting and gambling

Zhao Ting Ting and her partner also did not play at all ...so Zhang ya wen and Xie Zhuong Bao could be fresh tomorrow..........

When I saw Chen Hong in casual attire, I knew that he wont play for whatever reasons....

did you get 'the info' from chen hong why he WO-ed ? :D :rolleyes:

Who tell me because Chen Hong is out of national team?

did you get 'the info' from chen hong why he WO-ed ? :D :rolleyes:


You knew the reason.....:D:D

You knew the reason.....:D:D

:D :D.. wah kasihan banget CH

Always the same reason.......

This is due to the very unique system of China badminton team. Individual player must scarifice their chances for the good of China team even if it is individual events. And who exactly will have a better chance against the opponent is entirely the discretion of the coaches.

In the case of Chen Hong WO, Bao will have the advantage of being fresh. The disadvantage, however, is he will have additional pressure to win the match for the "Team" and Chen Hong. This is because when Bao wins, Chen Hong will share 50% of Bao's price money.

China team can say whatever they want, for example, in the name of securing the win for the team. But the fact remains unchange, this is lousy sportmanship!!

Hearing that CH has to drop the match because of the coach told him to do so was a very sad one.:(However,it's the LYB who take control of everything in chinese team.It is understandable,since CH is no longer in China's national team.For that,he should gave the chance to the one who's still in the national team,which coincidentally is BCL,one of the favourite chinese players after lin dan.Of course LYB pick BCL to go n fight for china.

CH's act to drop the match can probably means a sacrifice for china,since if he won,china's name might not be as big as when BCL won.

It is a lousy sportmanship.But wait..weren't the malaysia team used to have some similar accidents like this?Such as in the Men's Double..rexy chooses who's to win n lose?U can't say that u forgot that one,rite?;)
Well,in china's case..it might be better,since one as a player,wont like to lose in the game because he's told to do so.U cant play ur best by that,n it's sucks.It's better that one's withdraw the game before.

legal betting will damage badmiton.. you know the winner prize of badminton champion is too 'low' compared with prize money of betting :D and someone can bribe badminton players with big money and they will be tempted to fix matches

www.mansion.com : online betting and gambling


Nahh.. If many people bet on it it will be more commercial value (more viewers, more interest and gamblers), and therby the pricemoney will most likely go up :P

/twobeer

It is so unfair to Park SH who had to fight so hard to win every round only to meet a fresh Bao CL.......I just hope that there was no hanky panky on the part of the Chinese.........I'm rooting for Park SH tomorrow.

where's cooler ?... i want to hear his honest opinion about "another WO by china team"

Why anybody answer to my question? Why CH is out of national team? What was the problem with LYB?

Sad to not enjoy the game CH versus Bao...

Guess CH felt it was better to WO than to play a match he was not allowed to try to win :(

I am sad, it would have been a great battle :(

/twobeer

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I really feel sorry for Chen Hong for 'sacrificing' his match against Bao Chunlai by way of 'walkover' to Bao.
This is the 2nd time that CH has to do 'national duty'. The 1st time was in the Malaysian Super Series semi-final when CH had to give a walkover to BCL. Notwithstanding the 'rest day' BCL went on to lose to Peter Gade 21-15, 17-21, 21-14 in the final.
I just hope the BWF will take action to prevent this unethical match-fixing which is very unsporting for any country to engage in.
I also hope that CH gets a share of the prize-money for his sacrifice. CH cannot be blamed for the walkover as he was pressured to do so. He is really a gentleman.

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I really feel sorry for Chen Hong for 'sacrificing' his match against Bao Chunlai by way of 'walkover' to Bao.
This is the 2nd time that CH has to do 'national duty'. The 1st time was in the Malaysian Super Series semi-final when CH had to give a walkover to BCL. Notwithstanding the 'rest day' BCL went on to lose to Peter Gade 21-15, 17-21, 21-14 in the final.
I just hope the BWF will take action to prevent this unethical match-fixing which is very unsporting for any country to engage in.
I also hope that CH gets a share of the prize-money for his sacrifice. CH cannot be blamed for the walkover as he was pressured to do so. He is really a gentleman.

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This is 3rd time....last one is macao open...to Chen Jin......

Why anybody answer to my question? Why CH is out of national team? What was the problem with LYB?

becos.... your question have been discussed/answered here.. you can search it :D :D

I am 1000% behind LCW and PSH for the SF tomorrow....

LCW is the best!!!!:D
PSH is the best too:D

This is 3rd time....last one is macao open...to Chen Jin......

3 rd time :eek: :eek: CH did WO to china players :eek:

so The WO strategy by china team is not bogus :D :D

I am 1000% behind LCW and PSH for the SF tomorrow....

LCW is the best!!!!:D
PSH is the best too:D

he..he.... welcome aboard :D...

let's cheer them tommorow

So sad for CH,although I was hoping BCL n had little faith in him tat he could beat Ch,I didnt expect a WO from CH.......LYB should have given BCL chance to prove he could.....

So sad for CH,although I was hoping BCL n had little faith in him tat he could beat Ch,I didnt expect a WO from CH.......LYB should have given BCL chance to prove he could.....
YEP..BCL could beat CH...I did not think CH was in better shape now compare to when he was in china team...actually I was looking forward to see the match....honestly I like both of them....:(:(

YEP..BCL could beat CH...I did not think CH was in better shape now compare to when he was in china team...actually I was looking forward to see the match....honestly I like both of them....:(:(
You R rite..........

So sad for CH,although I was hoping BCL n had little faith in him tat he could beat Ch,I didnt expect a WO from CH.......LYB should have given BCL chance to prove he could.....

CH was forced to do a WO [again] :eek:... bun that's why many bcers here don't 'like' china team ...WO..WO..WO again :mad: :mad:

CH was forced to do a WO [again] :eek:... bun that's why many bcers here don't 'like' china team ...WO..WO..WO again :mad: :mad:

I think so....Btw, are you trying to influence me:p:D:p?????
My heart stucks at China players:)

I think so....Btw, are you trying to influence me:p:D:p?????
My heart stucks at China players:)

he..he somebody must be in china's side :D :p

aiya, all of you have misunderstood.

I repeat again, Chen Hong was really injured. Li Yongbo ask him to walkover because he was concerned that Chen Hong would injure himself more. Because if CH give walkover, means he can spend more time practising the ancient art of healing. He summore have to go up to the mountains and collect herbs. Then he can heal himself in 2 days and be totally fresh for HK open.

I think thats the lies that LYB and some China fans expect us to believe.

I am 1000% behind LCW and PSH for the SF tomorrow....

LCW is the best!!!!:D
PSH is the best too:D

Thai XD will have to face a D_MN fresh chinese pair tomorrow as well ..

I am 10000000 % support for THAI and all NON-CHINA players tomorrow ...

aiya, all of you have misunderstood.

I repeat again, Chen Hong was really injured. Li Yongbo ask him to walkover because he was concerned that Chen Hong would injure himself more. Because if CH give walkover, means he can spend more time practising the ancient art of healing. He summore have to go up to the mountains and collect herbs. Then he can heal himself in 2 days and be totally fresh for HK open.

I think thats the lies that LYB and some China fans expect us to believe.

ha..ha i thought you're applying your reverse psychology :D

he..he somebody must be in china's side :D :p
although Im in china's side,I expect fair games.

I am 1000% behind LCW and PSH for the SF tomorrow....

LCW is the best!!!!:D
PSH is the best too:D

Yep, Agreed 1000%!!

Sad to not enjoy the game CH versus Bao...

Guess CH felt it was better to WO than to play a match he was not allowed to try to win :(




Yes, so sad for me too... for not able to enjoy great battles between players. :(

I thought the winner of this China Open Super Series 2007 would be as listed below (based on order of better chances/probabilities);
1. LD
2. CH
3. LCW

Looking at the draw before the start of the tournament, I was expecting to enjoy the best battle... FINAL: LD vs LCW.

And I was expecting LD to win the FINAL because of home ground advantage and because I was expecting LYB to tell both BCL or CH not to make LD exhausted before the FINAL.

But after LD was eliminated in Round 1, I was expecting to enjoy the second best battle... FINAL: CH vs LCW. I was then expecting CH to be the challenger from the top section of the draw. And I was expecting CH to win the FINAL because of home ground advantage.

Now, after CH has given a WALKOVER to BCL, I think I would not want to even try to expect anything anymore.

I will just wait for the FINAL... And I hope that LCW will win. :):):)

***

where's cooler ?... i want to hear his honest opinion about "another WO by china team"
cooler is not shy of postings:p, I'm just very busy (at work) from mid november til christmas but will squeeze in some posts when possible.

PS Thanks for thinking about me:D

Might as well CH retire from badminton. he just waste his time!

Might as well CH retire from badminton. he just waste his time!
Spot on! What's his purpose of playing on and disgracing himself, CHN and worst of all, badminton.Stop the nonsense, CH. You're insulting even your fans.Go back to your province and be the sports director there.

petition created: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/showthread.php?p=727173#post727173

eg. PSH prevented another fixed match between LD vs BCL cos he got rid of LD in the early round.

Should be Park caused the different fixed match because he beat Lin Dan :D Is part of the Chinese strategy going on for years, why so surprise now? Even our idol Zhou Jianhua intentionally lost to compatriot in All England 1992 so Liu Jun can qualify for Olympic. Is up to Park and Chen Wei now and look at the bright side, match fixing is better to happen in QF then SF.

That's suck!

I was hoping PG or CH to grab the titles. It is a shame that he gives/ordered a WO to BCL. The Chinese players has the ability to win the title fair and square, this is true a disappointment for their fans.

Now I am root to PSH!!!! Let's bring the surprise of the year!!!

Dear members,

If it is true match fixing, it should not be tolerate as it will set other countries to follow suit the same actions. At the end, badminton will be a match fixing sport like football. Next time, the players can sell game to other players or other countries as they knew that no action is taken against them. It is bad for badminton as it is most popular sport in the region and hope that the name won't be tarnish just because of this bad incident of walkover without any valid reason.

From:
Ayu Badminton Lovers

footballs somewhat different. match fixing in that occurs between two different teams, not the same as between the same country.

if chen hong is an independent, then he doesn't need to listen to Li Yongbo. anyone actually consider him being injured, and unwilling to aggravate his injury? after all, i recall Lee Chong Wei losing to Sony because of a "knee injury" then a few days later, is perfectly fine in the French Open. because a lot of injuries you can't actually see or gauge its severity. so don't jump to conclusions.

Ohhhh man...... you have great imaginations and should write a Badminton movie script!!!.... :D

no no no. All of you are misunderstanding the situation.

Chen Hong injured himself!

But you see, he will be able to play in HK open. Why? because all the chinese players have super fast recovery rates. They practise an ancient art of kung fu that enables them to heal themselves. What they do is they consult their witch doctors, and then the witch doctors will meditate for 24 hours straight. After that, they will go up to the mountains to collect herbs to heal themselves. And then they are healed. See, thats how they can heal an injury that would otherwise take several months to heal in 2 days!

This is because when Bao wins, Chen Hong will share 50% of Bao's price money.

How do u know? Is it just your own imagination?

How do u know? Is it just your own imagination?

I don't think money is the issue, is more like the "fear" if order is not obeyed. Poor Chen Hong, quitting national team and now losing fan who've been whole heartedly supporting him :crying:

^^ can anyone tell me what would happen to chen hong if "order is not obeyed"? I don't think he has much to lose anyway....

I don't think money is the issue, is more like the "fear" if order is not obeyed. Poor Chen Hong, quitting national team and now losing fan who've been whole heartedly supporting him :crying:
busy at work, can't write long post.
i believe chen hong is in a limbo. Offfically he is off the national team but yet can't represent another country (ex. 2 yr minimum for Taiwan). So when he enter tournaments, he still has to represent china. However, china national squad own the rights to represent china, therefore, when chen hong play, the china national team (ie LYB) has the power to yank chen hong privilage to play for 'china' anytime 'LYB' feels like it. Technically, LYB doesnt need to tell CH not to play. LYB only need to tell the china open organizer that, chen hong isnt on china team so chen hong has to forfeit whenever LYB bring up this technicality breach in any BWF sanctioned tournaments.

This isn't a match fixing scenario, technically. LYB broke no rules or law but rather chen hong is or was playing on borrowed nationality. Chen Hong didnt forsee these consequences when quitting the team. He is a man in limbo. Chen hong can't have it both way like tony G. Tony is wanted by INA and US, it's different. Chen hong played other tournaments before because LYB didn't play his trump card. LYB has a CH voodoo doll. He can poke it anytime he feels like it:p

that's my take on this situation

aiya, all of you have misunderstood.

I repeat again, Chen Hong was really injured. Li Yongbo ask him to walkover because he was concerned that Chen Hong would injure himself more. Because if CH give walkover, means he can spend more time practising the ancient art of healing. He summore have to go up to the mountains and collect herbs. Then he can heal himself in 2 days and be totally fresh for HK open.

I think thats the lies that LYB and some China fans expect us to believe.

Speedy recovery for CH.....and ready for HKO.....and when have to meet with CHN players...in that tounament......he will automatically got injured again...
CH only got injured when he have to face his fellow Chn players.....in QF or SF...:D:D:D

busy at work, can't write long post.
i believe chen hong is in a limbo. Offfically he is off the national team but yet can't represent another country (ex. 2 yr minimum for Taiwan). So when he enter tournaments, he still has to represent china. However, china national squad own the rights to represent china, therefore, when chen hong play, the china national team (ie LYB) has the power to yank chen hong privilage to play for 'china' anytime 'LYB' feels like it. Technically, LYB doesnt need to tell CH not to play. LYB only need to tell the china open organizer that, chen hong isnt on china team so chen hong has to forfeit whenever LYB bring up this technicality breach in any BWF sanctioned tournaments.

This isn't a match fixing scenario, technically. LYB broke no rules or law but rather chen hong is or was playing on borrowed nationality. Chen Hong didnt forsee these consequences when quitting the team. He is a man in limbo. Chen hong played other tournaments before because LYB didn't play his trump card. LYB has a CH voodoo doll. He can poke it anytime he feels like it:p

that's my take on this situation

that is a fairly accurate analysis cooler. add onto that Chen Hong's is now on his own payroll and his payroll comes partly from the winnings. so he does need to enter to get income but at the same time, his income is limited to when he faces a valuable Chinese opponent.

limbo indeed.

footballs somewhat different. match fixing in that occurs between two different teams, not the same as between the same country.

if chen hong is an independent, then he doesn't need to listen to Li Yongbo. anyone actually consider him being injured, and unwilling to aggravate his injury? after all, i recall Lee Chong Wei losing to Sony because of a "knee injury" then a few days later, is perfectly fine in the French Open. because a lot of injuries you can't actually see or gauge its severity. so don't jump to conclusions.

oh my oh my.... how gullible can you be?

So Chen Hong gets injured every time he meets a Chinese player right? Three walkovers in a year... all injury huh? Then he will recover just in time for the next tournament, the Hong Kong Open. Must be the herbs. Those herbs are just miraculous!

The case with Sony and LCW is different. Sony and LCW actually PLAYED. Chen Hong walkovered.

How do you explain the other walkover then? Injured too? I supposed Zhao Tingting will recover just in time for her WD match today. Oh those herbs. Or is it the practising of the ancient art of healing?

Chen Hong is representing China, and if LYB dosen't enter his name in tournaments, he can't represent. LYB therefore, i think, uses this to blackmail CH

busy at work, can't write long post.
i believe chen hong is in a limbo. Offfically he is off the national team but yet can't represent another country (ex. 2 yr minimum for Taiwan). So when he enter tournaments, he still has to represent china. However, china national squad own the rights to represent china, therefore, when chen hong play, the china national team (ie LYB) has the power to yank chen hong privilage to play for 'china' anytime 'LYB' feels like it. Technically, LYB doesnt need to tell CH not to play. LYB only need to tell the china open organizer that, chen hong isnt on china team so chen hong has to forfeit whenever LYB bring up this technicality breach in any BWF sanctioned tournaments.

This isn't a match fixing scenario, technically. LYB broke no rules or law but rather chen hong is or was playing on borrowed nationality. Chen Hong didnt forsee these consequences when quitting the team. He is a man in limbo. Chen hong can't have it both way like tony G. Tony is wanted by INA and US, it's different. Chen hong played other tournaments before because LYB didn't play his trump card. LYB has a CH voodoo doll. He can poke it anytime he feels like it:p

that's my take on this situation

In addition to that..CH already knew his consequenses but instead of waiting for another 2 yrs before representing other countries....he decided to play otherwise he will be too old to play again....I think after Olympic, he may quit and do some coaching and occasionally play for Denmark or Superliga league....hope for the best for CH......

In addition to that..CH already knew his consequenses but instead of waiting for another 2 yrs before representing other countries....he decided to play otherwise he will be too old to play again....I think after Olympic, he may quit and do some coaching and occasionally play for Denmark or Superliga league....hope for the best for CH......
i know that.
CH should break clean from china squad, move to TW and live with her wife so the 2 year clock start clicking. This is what zhou mi, wang chen, pi hong have done. Yes, in 2 years CH's potency will be reduced but at least he can play in any tournaments he wish. Right now, OG, WC and china tournaments are basically off limit to him, plus a 600 lb LYB on his back.

Excellent analysis, cooler!

May I also add that I believe that the extent of this walkover thing within CHN team is above and beyond even LYB. This has surely been put in place as a covert national policy, and even Chief Coaches don't have too much say on policy. And if we really look closely, the problem is not just limited to badminton, and happened long before LYB became chief coach.

This is pretty much similar to how the Malaysian government determines "policies" for Malaysian car manufacturers. The CEOs of these businesses do not have a totally free hand to determine what products they should sell, or whether they should merge with bigger concerns to take advantage of economics of scale, for example. Recently Proton's merger/JV talks with VW and GM were suddenly called off.

busy at work, can't write long post.
i believe chen hong is in a limbo. Offfically he is off the national team but yet can't represent another country (ex. 2 yr minimum for Taiwan). So when he enter tournaments, he still has to represent china. However, china national squad own the rights to represent china, therefore, when chen hong play, the china national team (ie LYB) has the power to yank chen hong privilage to play for 'china' anytime 'LYB' feels like it. Technically, LYB doesnt need to tell CH not to play. LYB only need to tell the china open organizer that, chen hong isnt on china team so chen hong has to forfeit whenever LYB bring up this technicality breach in any BWF sanctioned tournaments.

This isn't a match fixing scenario, technically. LYB broke no rules or law but rather chen hong is or was playing on borrowed nationality. Chen Hong didnt forsee these consequences when quitting the team. He is a man in limbo. Chen hong can't have it both way like tony G. Tony is wanted by INA and US, it's different. Chen hong played other tournaments before because LYB didn't play his trump card. LYB has a CH voodoo doll. He can poke it anytime he feels like it:p

that's my take on this situation

so why didn't LYB ask Chen Hong to lose to Chen Yu? i guess it could be that Chen Hong needed more ranking points, but not at the expense of Bao Chunlai making the semis...

so why didn't LYB ask Chen Hong to lose to Chen Yu? i guess it could be that Chen Hong needed more ranking points, but not at the expense of Bao Chunlai making the semis...

perhaps he thought that Chen Hong could easily be beaten.... but it proved not to be the case, so after the exit of Lin Dan, LYB got cautious.

There is already enough politics everywhere... :eek: and now Badminton too!
Really sad to see such obvious incidents happening in China Open. :crying:
If I have paid for tickets to watch them at the stadium, I would be very very mad :mad::mad::mad:
I wonder what will the beneficial players' thoughts be if they win their next match and eventually the championship?
Is winning at all cost really that important, having advantage over your opponents and winning with no honour ? :confused:

My friend is still thinking of going to Olmpics next year to watch badminton. I may encourage him NOT to go then... :rolleyes:

It was not funny even when you posted this mocking stuff for the first time. Posting it again is just boring and pathetic

aiya, all of you have misunderstood.

I repeat again, Chen Hong was really injured. Li Yongbo ask him to walkover because he was concerned that Chen Hong would injure himself more. Because if CH give walkover, means he can spend more time practising the ancient art of healing. He summore have to go up to the mountains and collect herbs. Then he can heal himself in 2 days and be totally fresh for HK open.

I think thats the lies that LYB and some China fans expect us to believe.

Reporter did ask Chen Hong about why he withdrew and Chen Hong answered : "What do you think?" Chen Hong did not elaborate further. The reporter guessed Team Chinese is worried as only Lin Dan is in the top 4 and Bao is at 5. According to WBF, only the top 4 can avoid meeting one another until final round. Please refer to link below for more info from Sina Sports in Mandarin.
http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2007-11-24/02103314716.shtml

It was not funny even when you posted this mocking stuff for the first time. Posting it again is just boring and pathetic

you think this is mocking? How much then, do you think I, and all badminton fans are mocked when LYB orders these walkovers?

dont like, dont read. That is my policy.

get a life.

hehe, calm down man. I was just saying your previous posts were not funny though they were intended to be. That's all. If you want to say something, say it in a straight way. Trying to be funny yet ending up boring and pathetic is really bad.

you think this is mocking? How much then, do you think I, and all badminton fans are mocked when LYB orders these walkovers?

dont like, dont read. That is my policy.

get a life.

so why didn't LYB ask Chen Hong to lose to Chen Yu? i guess it could be that Chen Hong needed more ranking points, but not at the expense of Bao Chunlai making the semis...
u still dont get it. LYB didnt ask anyone to lose.:rolleyes:
on the contrary, LYB is enforcing the rules to the letter.

hehe, calm down man. I was just saying your previous posts were not funny though they were intended to be. That's all. If you want to say something, say it in a straight way. Trying to be funny yet ending up boring and pathetic is really bad.

too bad, again, dont like, dont read.

if it mocks you so much, dont read

There is already enough politics everywhere... :eek: and now Badminton too!
Really sad to see such obvious incidents happening in China Open. :crying:
If I have paid for tickets to watch them at the stadium, I would be very very mad :mad::mad::mad:
I wonder what will the beneficial players' thoughts be if they win their next match and eventually the championship?
Is winning at all cost really that important, having advantage over your opponents and winning with no honour ? :confused:

My friend is still thinking of going to Olmpics next year to watch badminton. I may encourage him NOT to go then... :rolleyes: u r not seeing the big picture...

If game fixing hurts you so much, don't talk about it, right?

too bad, again, dont like, dont read.

if it mocks you so much, dont read

If game fixing hurts you so much, don't talk about it, right?

if i dont talk about it, it hurts me even more.... At least I have an outlet to all the disgraceful and shameful acts.

u r not seeing the big picture...
Hi cooler,
Care to elaborate?
I don't see the big picture as it's not obvious to the normal audience like myself. :rolleyes:
I hope the big picture you're referring to is not an ugly one that on one appreciates. ;)

if i dont talk about it, it hurts me even more.... At least I have an outlet to all the disgraceful and shameful acts.there is alway the toilet bowl:p lol

there is alway the toilet bowl:p lol

I'll reserve the contents when I meet Li Yongbo :D:D:D:o:o:cool::cool:

Hearing that CH has to drop the match because of the coach told him to do so was a very sad one.:(However,it's the LYB who take control of everything in chinese team.It is understandable,since CH is no longer in China's national team.For that,he should gave the chance to the one who's still in the national team,which coincidentally is BCL,one of the favourite chinese players after lin dan.Of course LYB pick BCL to go n fight for china.

CH's act to drop the match can probably means a sacrifice for china,since if he won,china's name might not be as big as when BCL won.

It is a lousy sportmanship.But wait..weren't the malaysia team used to have some similar accidents like this?Such as in the Men's Double..rexy chooses who's to win n lose?U can't say that u forgot that one,rite?;)
Well,in china's case..it might be better,since one as a player,wont like to lose in the game because he's told to do so.U cant play ur best by that,n it's sucks.It's better that one's withdraw the game before.

when did rexy do that?? did we ever have that kind of privilege?

petition created: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/showthread.php?p=727173#post727173

Why don't you use this link(website) instead?
http://www.petitiononline.com/

Hearing that CH has to drop the match because of the coach told him to do so was a very sad one.:(However,it's the LYB who take control of everything in chinese team.It is understandable,since CH is no longer in China's national team.For that,he should gave the chance to the one who's still in the national team,which coincidentally is BCL,one of the favourite chinese players after lin dan.Of course LYB pick BCL to go n fight for china.

CH's act to drop the match can probably means a sacrifice for china,since if he won,china's name might not be as big as when BCL won.

It is a lousy sportmanship.But wait..weren't the malaysia team used to have some similar accidents like this?Such as in the Men's Double..rexy chooses who's to win n lose?U can't say that u forgot that one,rite?;)
Well,in china's case..it might be better,since one as a player,wont like to lose in the game because he's told to do so.U cant play ur best by that,n it's sucks.It's better that one's withdraw the game before.

when did rexy ever do that? all matches were played out. Please watch your allegations....

at the moment, China vs the rest of the world seems pretty balanced, with China still having the slight edge. If you look at SS results so far, China wins on average 3, others 2.
In tomorrow's semi finals, there are 11 Chinese and 9 non-Chinese players/pairs.

malaysian players also all chinese ;)
you see ........
lee chong wei
wong mew choo
choong tan fook
lee wan wah
:p:p:p:p:p

oh my oh my.... how gullible can you be?

So Chen Hong gets injured every time he meets a Chinese player right? Three walkovers in a year... all injury huh? Then he will recover just in time for the next tournament, the Hong Kong Open. Must be the herbs. Those herbs are just miraculous!

The case with Sony and LCW is different. Sony and LCW actually PLAYED. Chen Hong walkovered.

How do you explain the other walkover then? Injured too? I supposed Zhao Tingting will recover just in time for her WD match today. Oh those herbs. Or is it the practising of the ancient art of healing?

Chen Hong is representing China, and if LYB dosen't enter his name in tournaments, he can't represent. LYB therefore, i think, uses this to blackmail CH

hey, i was just making a suggestion. why are you so hostile to everyone? is there something wrong with you? or is it that you just don't like to read and take in other people's opinion? and only speak well with those who suit your thoughts.

(1) Sharing price money. In China, national badminton players share 60% of all their price money with they coaches, they keep the balance 40%. In the case of CH WO to let Bao win, CH get to share 50% of Bao's price money if Bao wins in the following matches.They share money if it is open tournaments. If it is sport event eg Olympic and Asian Game and etc, where no price money in volve then they will share whatever rewards and treatments they can get in their country. However this was the consensus when CH was still in national team. All the players follow this "norm", and yes it was there years ago even before LYB become national chief caoch. Also "WO for the benefit of the team" not just happen in badminton, in table tennis for example, this happen very frequently.And players share their rewards. However, since CH is not in national team anymore , I am not 100% sure whether they still follow this norm. But my intuition is they will still let CH share the money, since they have deprive CH the chance to win the title. Otherwise it is extremely hash to CH.

No this is not my imagination. I get to know this from my brother who is a personal friend of a top chinese player. I don't think it is a good idea to tell who this player is because this could possibly further jeopardise his position. he is already not a favourite boy of LYB.

(2) Why CH left national team. He left because he didn't get equal chances in the team even though he is better than his juniors that is Bao, CJ and CY. At the time when CH left national team, his capability is only second to LD.In their "team match", young players like Boa and the rest just couldn't topple him except LD. And yet he was left out of heavy weight event like Asian Game. In Sudirman cup he was brought along but he was not given a chance to play in impartant matches. Instead, CJ and Bao were picked to play. At that time , he already got the hint. And He always wants to play the Oplympic. In one interview he told reporters that" If even Asian game I was not the chosen one, will I be chosen to play in Oplympic? I will be 2 years older by then." Also, as someone pointed out earlier, CH was ask to WO to CJ and Bao in some opens inorder to "give opportunities to the young one". If you are in his shoe, you too will get the message isn't it?

(3) Why LYB still can ask CH( in fact any chinese players!) to WO. To put it blunt and simple. LYB is very powerful in China badminton. Not to mention CH dare not to offend him, even other very well known and respected players and coaches get sacked by LYB. Among them Li Mao, Li Ling
Wei , Wu wen kai, Sun Jun and others. Look, some of these players and coaches are world Champion and Olympic champion, if they can not get along with LYB, they still have to go! He is too powerful and dominant( and he has a one kind attitude!), if you can not get along with him , you have to go! Simple as that. Back to CH, unless he is willing to give up badminton or go oversea like Li Mao( Curretnly LI Mao in Korea), He still have to work with LYB some how. That is even if CH decided to go back to Fujian province to work as a coach or adminstrative job, he will still face LYB somehow. This is because in China provincial team work very closely with national team. Therefore CH will still have to "give face" to LYB.

Besides, someone earlier pointed out LYB can exercise veto by instructing the organizer to stop CH playing. That may be true also, although I do not have the exact information.

In CH case, simply put, he is a like guy that still performing but the boss doesn't like him that much and favour his colleagues. This happen everwhere in life isn't it? Not just in badminton. This is really life my friend.

LYB
is the person to be blame at for CH walkover

hey, i was just making a suggestion. why are you so hostile to everyone? is there something wrong with you? or is it that you just don't like to read and take in other people's opinion? and only speak well with those who suit your thoughts.

I am not hostile to everyone.

No, there is nothing wrong with me.

I like to read and take in other people's opinions.

that was just my irritation regarding your ignorance of this issue. How can you say that there is no proof when LYB himself said it, when it is so blatantly staring you in the face?

Why don't you use this link(website) instead?
http://www.petitiononline.com/

done: http://www.petitiononline.com/bwfpet/petition.html

li yong bo..haizzzzz

when did rexy ever do that? all matches were played out. Please watch your allegations....
In AE06 or AE05?, MAS MD had 3 in sf vs 1 DEN MD. DEN MD beat MAS MD (with the help of sj;6 sf calls?) but the other all MAS MD sf was played like a practice match (as one spectator put it)
In KO07, ctf/lww gave w/o to kkk/tbh citing ctf injury.
Was glad on both occasions, MAS lost. MAS coaches were infected by LYB but they did not realise the formula only works for CHN.I hope MAS coaches will stay disease-free because their top male players are better than CHN's .CHN's top players have been riding on some high ground image.Once non-CHn players see them for what they really are, they start defeating CHN.

I am not hostile to everyone.

No, there is nothing wrong with me.

I like to read and take in other people's opinions.

that was just my irritation regarding your ignorance of this issue. How can you say that there is no proof when LYB himself said it, when it is so blatantly staring you in the face?

look, if you want to fight, you guys better take it outside of this forum. email, IM, PM, whatever.

enough has been said about this issue already. anymore will just be people fighting.

so thread is now closed.