China Super Series 2007 - Day 6 (Nov 25) - Finals

[vching]

Vching, is this a new one? I signed already but how come my name not there... Do I sign again?


yep, its a new one, please sign it :)

[hhs1000]

Well,Bao won finally and congrats to him for ending the Mr runners up title.LCW is clearly lose due fatigue.From the beginning of the game,he look so so tired and lack of energy,i think is mainly due to the hard battle all over the match.While Bao look fresher and more eager to win,anyway a good performance from LCW in this entire tournament.

Too many comments from too emotional LCW supporters, this is one of objective comment. Don't you guys notice that BCL was all prepared?
1. Change his hair style to make him look fierce/solid.
2. Patience and slow down the game that blunted LCW game plan and go for the kill at the right time
3. All the disputed line calls are very close call. So it is still 50-50.
4. BCL just playing really well today. He is very deserving winner!

[**KZ**]

wah...the Chinese fans so damn happy!! BCL!!! woooo!!!
pui!.....although he played well today LCW was the one controlling the match until the line call.....and then he made a comeback and the line judge had to ruin it...I think the umpire was a bit ashamed too when LCW looked to him to see if he was faulted again....but that amused the Chinese fans a little...also....LCW didnt play that well...he missed the shuttlecock...maybe he should learn how to cope under pressure...

[spchu]

No they didn't. Bao played better. Can't you accept that??


When u're affected by injustice against you, i doubt you can play better under such unnecessary duress...

[abedeng]

don't worry MAS fans, KINDRA will make it up for you guys.

And we MAS guys will make sure KINDRA get all the support they need .....:D

I am very disappointed with the officiating. :eek::mad::mad::mad: Is there an agenda here, just because all their top WS and XD players got beaten by the rest of the world? If they need to win this that bad on home soil, why not just deny foreign players visa and play between themselves .......

Any other player would have walked out, I salute LCW for continuing on and still in smiles despite the inevitable outcome.

[jimbo]

No they didn't. Bao played better. Can't you accept that??

Accepting the truth and accepting the result is DIFFERENT. Did u watch the game? Did u watch the replay? I watched on GD Sports (CHN channel) and the commentator (CHN man) said it was out (before the line was called) but the linesman said it was OUT. the commentator just speechless... :rolleyes::mad:

[Jessica]

I'm still proud of LCW. Congratz to BCL on his solid display, and as what Louisa said, the umpire and "lies-men" disgraced BCL.

Hopefully, China can "win" all the medals on offer in Beijing Olympic. Congratz to China for organising such a "fair" tournament. I'm speechless....
Ya...I am still proud with him no matter what...Again,congrats for BCL.

[Brave_Turtle]

Allow me to act as an independent observer here.

Yes, LCW was being cheated by the linesmen.

When Bao's ball was clearly out, the camera didn't focus the shot on the slow reply, but when the Bao's ball was in, the camera did focus the shot on the reply.

I guess the Chinese are just pissed on XXF loss, and they want to make it even on the rest of the matches, including on the next MK/HS match. Watch it!


You aren't the only one noticing it. This thing is really gettign bad and I hope something will be done about it.

[wanalexwan]

..should be very proud of LCW...In adversity, LCW still showed great sportsmanship, even clapped his hand w/racket to the fans...
About all the posts complaining abt the umpires/CHN are cheating in the just ended MS Finals match, IF they indeed did it on purpose, don't you guys think they would've planned the same in XXF's and WMC's match?..:confused:

Btw, the webcast is now showing basketball..:p:mad::(

There were some dubious calls in the WS match too.

[MaLiq]

LCW plays alright. Three bad calls are six points spread between LCW and BCL. If LCW get the point, he actually leads the game. The outcome will be different. I certainly think LCW could win the game.

yea me too..
if only he could concentrate more..
i remember the first few rallies of the 1st game all went his way..
until the 1st fugly line call....:(

[vching]

hopefully MK and HS can help their neighbours to gain revenge... hopefully no service fault calls...

[block306]

Wow!!!! I respect BCL b4, but from 2days on, NO MORE! What for jumping so high after winning the match with the help of 1 umpire, 1 service judge n 8 line judges? And salute to LCW, GOOD SPORTMANSHIP, LYB, learn a bit lah...

You left out help from Chen Hong (or actually from Li YB via CH).

Totally agree with the earlier comments regarding slow motion replay.

On another note, how can a national Open be unpired by umpired from the same country??

[Winnie Lim1314]

BCL played a good match today...congratz!!!erm...say 'jia you' 2 LCW for his next tournament(Hong Kong Open)...and hope badminton association of Hong Kong can employ those trained line judges...please...do not be unfair!

[Atlec]

I really want to support china, if they can really show they have the abilities to win, but not win bcoz of all those stupid bad calls. The bad calls obviously showed on the replays, and even the commentators of china were speechless. Now the whole world had seen everything. I hope Badminton Associations will do something about it.

[Erwin Kyoto]

ppl sign petition!!!

http://www.petitiononline.com/bwfpet/petition.html

c'mon!

i signed the petition..god job

[s1nn3r]

Yes, unfortunately, he played well enough to win today without all the problems. But by having biased judgements, Bao was prevented from busking fully in his glory.
I am sure Bao is struggling inside… should I celebrate? Should I not? China is torturing Bao not LCW! LCW know very well he is being set up so no guilty feeling inside him.

[night]

did any of you guys note how many dispute calls already?

Countless!!! LOL...

[tommy_bun]

this kind of bad calls will always happend,it becomes hot issue cos it happends in china,just wait N see in the next tournaments it happends again.theres a time the bad calls favors china players N theres a time it will favors other non-china players too

[nauyuchi]

i dont like the linesman... helping the chinese

[rwchen]

BCL's defence is solid today and he's mentally sharp. Give him credit.If the final scores were close, you can blame the linesmen. Otherwise LCW should just focus on the match and accept he's gotta accept the dirt that comes with CO.

I agree here. Bao Chun Lai played better today and Lee Chong Wei was overcome by his own emotion. I salute Wong Mew Choo for her fighting spirit and calmness, although there were calls made against her yesterday in the match against Zhang Ning, she continued fighting till the end and eventually won the match.

[vching]

but still, the day is Wong Mew Choo's.... our princess :D :D :D

[alfa-2]

China's 1st Medal...
A Faked Medal

yup faked...............BCL didnt cheat but those calls affected LCW's game more than 50%............guess it was right for the koreans to walk against CHN bad line calls. LCW should have done that too to protest.:mad::mad::mad:

[K Genetics]

No they didn't. Bao played better. Can't you accept that??

Yes, Bao played well. But linesmen and the umpire are even better, they have done a "good job" making China winning the MS title. No issue on Bao, but the judges.

[crashandburn]

What a crap linesmen....!!!

Surely, they must be a rule that the host should not be an umpire and linesman...to avoid such controvesy...!!!

Ruined the whole game....waste of time...!!

[Inky2000]

3. All the disputed line calls are very close call. So it is still 50-50.

I think the final bad call (BCL earned his 15th point in G02 through that) was so obvious even being observed on the TV screen. It was clearly an "out" albeit being ruled otherwise. When the RTM commenter learned about the call, he said, in an unbelieving tone, something like, "I would rather not to talk about it ..."

[Jessica]

Too many comments from too emotional LCW supporters, this is one of objective comment. Don't you guys notice that BCL was all prepared?
1. Change his hair style to make him look fierce/solid.
2. Patience and slow down the game that blunted LCW game plan and go for the kill at the right time
3. All the disputed line calls are very close call. So it is still 50-50.
4. BCL just playing really well today. He is very deserving winner!
I agree with you totally.I am LCW fans and hoping for LCW win in the match but i have to admit that Bao played better today with or without the bad lines call.Well,we shouldn't attack on BCL like what he don't deserve the champion or some other words.But the facts is,the umpire or linesman from china really disgrace their own nation good name.If this game is fairer,i think BCL will be more happy.

[azn_123]

I must say BCL played extremely well today. Smashes were very steep and with great accuracy. All his shos were with precision. To add to that WTH?! The stupid line calls were the stupidest thing I've ever seen!!! LCW didn't even unleash his skill during today's game. These bad line calls hindered LCW's performance. In conclusion, FIRE THOSE line judges.

[sentosa]

the reason why i like LCW better than TH now is because i think he is more gentle than TH. Even though he got cheated but at least he still fight with proud.

[madbad]

..should be very proud of LCW...In adversity, LCW still showed great sportsmanship, even clapped his hand w/racket to the fans...
About all the posts complaining abt the umpires/CHN are cheating in the just ended MS Finals match, IF they indeed did it on purpose, don't you guys think they would've planned the same in XXF's and WMC's match?..:confused:

Btw, the webcast is now showing basketball..:p:mad::(

As always a calm voice of reason

[$100 Dreams]

congrats to BCL!! im glad he finally won something..

congrats to LCW & WMC (who won!) for entering the finals! first time msia represented in both finals!!

unfortuantely, all of us here stopped watching half way tru the MS 1st set.. hehe... its such a disgrace for international badminton though... haiz...

[Misty100]

I'm still proud of LCW. Congratz to BCL on his solid display, and as what Louisa said, the umpire and "lies-men" disgraced BCL.

Hopefully, China can "win" all the medals on offer in Beijing Olympic. Congratz to China for organising such a "fair" tournament. I'm speechless....

CHN is showing signs of what will happened in Bejing Olympic '08 by shaping up the linesmen. I bet they will sweep all the golds and silvers in Olympic.

[Wong8Egg]

Incredible. Seeing this game, I realise how line calls can affect your game play. Not only did Lee get pissed at the line calls, his performance also pummeled. So it's like a double wammie. Interesting that Lee was trying to overcome his emotions in the end. However, sorry to say, he lost to line calls again.


Agreed! I feel pity for Lee even I am supporting BCL today. It is a total disgrace for the China Open officials. Those line calls are not only insult to Lee but also an insult to BCL. As a supporter of BCL, I rather to see him lose, be the Mr. Runner up and played in a fair ground than having a given WO and bunch of fault line call.

I am truly disappointed this time! Shame on the line judge and the umpire! :mad:

[ycchen]

LCW better be careful when playing in Hong Kong Open. don't forget Hong Kong is part of China. :D hope Hong Kong will respect the badminton sports and won't use those "honourable" umpires that judge today's match. :D

[wilfredlgf]

maybe bao is together in this cheating also la, who knows
He doesn't make the line, service and point calls.

[clearng]

China Open

Good

Good Umpire, Good Lines man, Good organize

Every thing is too good......until something not good happening

[nogat_bits]

bcl played well indeed ( congratulation ) but since 2nd bad call from the linesmen lcw lose his momentum, maybe ( and really if maybe ) he in form i would say it could be a great game. and it could come different result :)

[twobeer]

Incredible. Seeing this game, I realise how line calls can affect your game play. Not only did Lee get pissed at the line calls, his performance also pummeled. So it's like a double wammie. Interesting that Lee was trying to overcome his emotions in the end. However, sorry to say, he lost to line calls again.

also in the second game when bao is getting a bit exhausted, he gets an extra rest from all discussions..

What use is there to call the main referee anyway.. he seems to have no other function, than to talk to players/judges any way.. why couldn't he just watch the video and from the line-camera and corrext the invalid ruling, after such a vivid protest..

/twobeer

[**KZ**]

Too many comments from too emotional LCW supporters, this is one of objective comment. Don't you guys notice that BCL was all prepared?
1. Change his hair style to make him look fierce/solid.
2. Patience and slow down the game that blunted LCW game plan and go for the kill at the right time
3. All the disputed line calls are very close call. So it is still 50-50.
4. BCL just playing really well today. He is very deserving winner!

yeah...he was very well prepared...remember he got a walkover from CH?...he played well...LCW made a lot of mistakes even missed a shuttle...yeah....but he was in control of the match b4 the disputed line calls...plus...it was really obviously out...credit to BCL for being aggresive..now I don't wanna talk bout this again....let's see what will happen in HK...

[tofuness]

Countless!!! LOL...

there was only one bad call.. it was bao's crosscourt smash to the forehand side of LCW...

jz accept it... there'll always be bad calls in every single tournament...

[X Ball]

BAO played like a devil possesed. LCW was too confident (yes you heard it from me). LCW got carried away with the bad calls.

I am not unhappy my prediction came to nought. No one could have beaten BAO today -- he was magnificent : alert and taking every advantage of every chance he had. To say LCW wasn't rattled by this confident play by BAO would not be fair.

BOW TO BAO -- King of CO. Good one BAO. LCW, better luck next time. It was not your day.

WMC, you are the CHAMP !:)

[MaLaYsIa Boleh!]

i really think tat badminton need some equipment for a fair game!
juz like tennis, human isn't god..
they can lie,cheat becoz of money or eagerness..
they will make mistake also for sure..
so why dun use eagle eye's like tennis?
this will make the game more interesting...
maybe not every shot,but some controversial shots..

[waile]

at the end of the day, few would really remember those bad calls in the distant future... even the RTM 1 commentator cant contain himself and mentioned abt the dubious line calls. but the only thing etched forever will be BCL's name on the winner circle. only BWF can do something abt this and that i highly doubt due to influence of china in the world of badminton. if u guys notice during the match, LCW started having doubts whether to retrieve certain shots of BCL coz they were near to the lines... and that affects his play... at the end of the day.... who to blame? u can only do so much....

[alfa-2]

the match ended. Lee CW lost. but at the end of the match, he still shows sportmanship. What a shame for the organizer. China will surely sweep 5 golds in badminton in Olympic 2008 if this kind of umpires and line judges being used in the event. i totally "salute" those umpires. LYB will say to the umpire: "good job!!" :D

DISGUSTING final..........."KRRRRRRRRRRR, PUIIIIIIIII..........":mad::mad::mad: i feel those koreans now.

[kwun]

too bad i wasn't sitting close to any of the lines to be able to tell if the calls are good or not. but certainly a bit too many and LCW was prepared for it and protested when appropriate.

to give BCL some credit, he did play very well today and as mentioned, could probably have beaten LCW without the help of the linesmen.

[spchu]

China only alienate all other countries by doing this, now we'll support non China players no matter which country.

[wilfredlgf]

By the way, what was the conversation between the umpire and BWF official about?

[Han]

Not sure if people has mentioned this already, but LCW was gracious in defeat, he shook hands and acknowledged the crowd. As a Malaysian, I am very proud of him. His attitude bodes well for his future, as this sort of behaviour will carry him to the very top.

Also, Bao did indeed play very well today. It would have been 50-50 on neutral ground, or maybe even 45 -55 for Bao. Solid defense, sharp attacks.

Also Bao is a friend of Chong Wei ... I would have walked off the court knowing that I have no chance to win under these biased condition, I think the audience would understand. Habing say that, thank god Chong Wei did not think like me, showing his true sportmanship and so proud of him.

[Jessica]

BAO played like a devil possesed. LCW was too confident (yes you heard it from me). LCW got carried away with the bad calls.

I am not unhappy my prediction came to nought. No one could have beaten BAO today -- he was magnificent : alert and taking every advantage of every chance he had. To say LCW wasn't rattled by this confident play by BAO would not be fair.

BOW TO BAO -- King of CO. Good one BAO. LCW, better luck next time. It was not your day.

WMC, you are the CHAMP !:)
XBall...I like your comment here.This is the comment that most rational to me.:)

[amaze]

Having said that, I still think BCL would have won anyway even without the bad line calls...he seems really determined to win it this time, while LCW looks fatigued.

There's nothing for the Chinese fans to be proud of their player, Bao CL's win because they way the game was won was shameful.

Today CL seemed fired up to win, but nobody will accord him the praise because he was playing a start-stop-start-stop-start-stop opponent. Because the game was not played to its full capacity. At the end of the game, CW's mind was so pre-occupied with the linesmen and umpire that he had to watch every fall of the shuttle carefully and actually asked the umpire if he had faulted, if again, the second time.

Shame on the organizers!

Today the winner is LEE CHONG WEI for the great sportsmanship he displayed. Another player, for e.g. Lin Dan or Taufik, if they were faulted this way, would have already walked.

Can't imagine OG 08. Yikes !:o:eek:

[Sammy]

hehe....r u serious u dont know who is susi susanti?

Hahaha.....may be Silencer is the badminton fan from early 90s:D

[alfa-2]

Allow me to act as an independent observer here.

Yes, LCW was being cheated by the linesmen.

When Bao's ball was clearly out, the camera didn't focus the shot on the slow reply, but when the Bao's ball was in, the camera did focus the shot on the reply.

I guess the Chinese are just pissed at XXF loss, and they are trying to make it even on the rest of the matches, including on the next MK/HS match. Watch it!

CCTV5 was also taking part i guess. They didnt bother to show the shuttle when it was out.:mad::mad::mad: all angry ppl here, pls sign the petition...........disgusting scumbags.........

[Inky2000]

LCW better be careful when playing in Hong Kong Open. don't forget Hong Kong is part of China. :D hope Hong Kong will respect the badminton sports and won't use those "honourable" umpires that judge today's match. :D

HK has yet to be 100% blended to China in all the aspects, including their culture, values and beliefs. It's unlikely that such a thing could happen there considering their historical background.

[Misty100]

I really want to support china, if they can really show they have the abilities to win, but not win bcoz of all those stupid bad calls. The bad calls obviously showed on the replays, and even the commentators of china were speechless. Now the whole world had seen everything. I hope Badminton Associations will do something about it.

Li YongBo got skin as thick as elephant hide. He's not bother as long as CHN wins at whatever expense. His job is done.

[sepang]

yea me too..
if only he could concentrate more..
i remember the first few rallies of the 1st game all went his way..
until the 1st fugly line call....:(

If you remember, the two bad calls on first game is 12-10 BCL lead. If LCW get the point, LCW is actually lead by 12-10. I never see LCW so upset on the call. If the call can be in or out (very close) I am sure he will not act like this. The broadcast are afraid to rebroadcast the bad call, they only rebroadcast the one is not questionable.

No wonder TH withdraw from the SS.

[cooler]

If i were BCL i wouldn't feel proud at all. So shameful........ A great pretender that nothing happens. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......................... to Bao Cheat Lai and BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to China.i highly doubt that u can play like bcl.

[s1nn3r]

Bao is a good player so do Lee, I am sure the game would have been very tight if not for the LINESMEn… China is really killing their own image! What a pity! True winner is LCW because he fight 1 baoChuntoi + 1billion chinese + 1 corrupted umpire + 8 blind lineman.

[carbonex20]

Come on. Decisions go for and against you in any sport. Sportsmen should accept it professionally as part of the game and move on, rather than let their performance be affected and make an excuse of it. BCL played well and deserved to win. If he was the one who lost in the controversial circumstances, I don't think there would be so many "unfair" calls.

[X Ball]

XBall...I like your comment here.This is the comment that most rational to me.:)

I hated it but what can one do but admit the truth.

[clearng]

lol lol lol lol lol

yeah China Open

lol lol lol lol lol

[ants]

BCL played well today. He deserved to win. LCW had done well, too bad he lost, but i would guess its not easy for him to play in China too. Well done LCW. As for WMC...Hooray! History is made today! She overcome all the strong Chinese players including Pi Honyang to win the title!

[alfa-2]

ppl sign petition!!!

http://www.petitiononline.com/bwfpet/petition.html

c'mon!

sign this pls............

[kwun]

and the true sportsman is LCW. who despite the whole umpire team going against him still kept his cool and played till the end. my hats off to LCW for that.

[robin7]

..should be very proud of LCW...In adversity, LCW still showed great sportsmanship, even clapped his hand w/racket to the fans...
About all the posts complaining abt the umpires/CHN are cheating in the just ended MS Finals match, IF they indeed did it on purpose, don't you guys think they would've planned the same in XXF's and WMC's match?..:confused:

Allow me to act as an independent observer here.

Yes, LCW was being cheated by the linesmen.

When Bao's ball was clearly out, the camera didn't focus the shot on the slow reply, but when the Bao's ball was in, the camera did focus the shot on the reply.

I guess the Chinese are just pissed at XXF loss, and they are trying to make it even on the rest of the matches, including on the next MK/HS match. Watch it!
Exactly, they are upset by XXF's loss....

[eaglehelang]

Accepting the truth and accepting the result is DIFFERENT. Did u watch the game? Did u watch the replay? I watched on GD Sports (CHN channel) and the commentator (CHN man) said it was out (before the line was called) but the linesman said it was OUT. the commentator just speechless... :rolleyes::mad:

Huh?? out and OUT. Should be out and in depending which line call you're talking about. It obviously affected LCW's concentration and confidence. He was shaking his head.

The RTM commentator at the 4th line call said "Saya tak berani komen" after watching line call. That means he saw it as out.

Anyway, this China Open is marred by so many of such problems that people will remember and question Bao's win.

[Han]

I agree here. Bao Chun Lai played better today and Lee Chong Wei was overcome by his own emotion. I salute Wong Mew Choo for her fighting spirit and calmness, although there were calls made against her yesterday in the match against Zhang Ning, she continued fighting till the end and eventually won the match.

Come to think of it, Mew Cho was really lucky, imagine the same bad calls one here and there would have cost her title?

[Felicia_txh]

Hope Chong Wei can do well in HKO!!Hope CW wil prevail again in HKO!!

[Oldhand]

Bao Chunlai played exceptionally well against Lee Chong Wei...
...and it's undoubtedly a well-earned victory for BCL. :)

However, it's shameful to see China blatantly using its umpires, linesmen and lineswomen to tilt the balance. :mad:

The official that umpired the XD match yesterday between China and Thailand was back in (shameful) action today in the BCL-LCW final.
This is inspite of the fact that he made an obviously wrong ruling yesterday... ...to put it plainly, the man's talents don't go beyond juvenile umpiring :eek:

Just as biased line-judging has marred previous editions of the China Open (in particular, I remember a match in which Peter Gade was being murdered by the line-judges), the China Open 2007 has been nothing short of a brazen display of 'sponsored official cheating'. :cool:

Isn't there such a thing as national pride? :rolleyes:
How can China allow this to happen?

In hindsight, I guess Taufik's decision to stay away was a wise one.
Else, he'd have been playing against not just an opponent on court, but also against a dozen opponents seated around it. :D

[amaze]

there was only one bad call... and the rest were good... (pay attention...!)

Do watch the replay, if there's one.... Definitely more than one

[alfa-2]

there was only one bad call... and the rest were good... (pay attention...!)

I guess you were SLEEPING throughout the match then.:mad::mad::mad:

[kwun]

and here is the winning photo of BCL.

[vching]

c'mon people, sign sign sign.... hopefully then the Olympics will be different:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?bwfpet&1

hmm... how many signatures should i collect before sending it to BWF?

[qwertyu]

i really think tat badminton need some equipment for a fair game!
juz like tennis, human isn't god..
they can lie,cheat becoz of money or eagerness..
they will make mistake also for sure..
so why dun use eagle eye's like tennis?
this will make the game more interesting...
maybe not every shot,but some controversial shots..


Fully agree. I also noticed when Bao went for the net, his leg actually crossed the line. But Lee CW did not noticed as he tried to retrieved the shuttle. If there is Eagle eye he should be able to challange that shot.

[kwun]

and photo of the umpire.

[Sideline]

Let's face it, biased line calls have been part and parcel of Chinese tournaments as far as i can remember. It's not likely to be different in OG08 so I think players should just go into a game vs chinese players with a -3 point handicap in mind.

LCW sure didn't look 100% today but BCL was on form. Would have been a good match, shame.

[wilfredlgf]

BaoCL won, all right. He played very well, ok.
No disputes there.

What can't be discounted is the psychological factor that the entire place is against you and that is already a disadvantage. Add to that the problem is biased line judgement and you get a major weight placed on your mind knowing that you now need to work twice as hard as the other guy to do it.

LCW is only human with feelings, don't abuse the word 'professional' for 'robotic'.

[alfa-2]

Remember - Bao didn't cheat; if any infringement it's by the officials from China. So don't direct your anger at him.

Bao didnt cheat, but he didn't display much sportsmanship either. He was pointing the shuttle in to the umpire when it was definitely out............CCTV5 didnt show all the "paid" line calls.............:mad::mad::mad:

[waile]

why bother playing this current match... since what matters is china wins:p shld skip to MD... WD can play whenever they like:)

[sentosa]

believe me lah guys, the 08 OG won't be the same like this one. i believe BWF are not blind you know.

[cooler]

this time, bcl and lyb had a plan to beat lcw. The tactics were quite revealing. Bad calls or not, lcw was pick on by bcl. There were 3 controversial line calls and 1 net call. Yes, cooler's eyes saw 1 incorrect line call against lcw at 14-10, 2nd set. There wasn't good replay on the other disputed line calls so i can't tell.

[Wong8Egg]

Also Bao is a friend of Chong Wei ... I would have walked off the court knowing that I have no chance to win under these biased condition, I think the audience would understand. Habing say that, thank god Chong Wei did not think like me, showing his true sportmanship and so proud of him.

Agreed! LCW did shown a true sportsmanship today! He smiled even after his defeat and applause to Bao!

[Wong8Egg]

and photo of the umpire.

What a loser! :mad:

[vching]

and here is the winning photo of BCL.

hmm...

Bao: YES!! I WIN MY FIRST TITLE!!!! FINALLY!!! NO MORE MR. RUNNER UP FOR ME

LYB: YES!!! CHINA NO NEED SO MALU.... I BETTER GIVE SOME CUBAN CIGARS FOR THE LINESMEN AND UMPIRE

LINESMEN+UMPIRE: YES!!! I GOT MY CUBAN CIGARS!!!

[Jessica]

I think badminton must also use eagle eye like tennis but too bad there are some finances problem..

[twobeer]

too bad i wasn't sitting close to any of the lines to be able to tell if the calls are good or not. but certainly a bit too many and LCW was prepared for it and protested when appropriate.

to give BCL some credit, he did play very well today and as mentioned, could probably have beaten LCW without the help of the linesmen.

He may, but that I am afraid we will never know :-(

3 incorrect calls makes 15-15 18-12.. quite a huge difference I would say..

/Twobeer

[s1nn3r]

Bad line call happen everywhere but CHINA is the place it happen the most. I guess LCW isnt sending a message strong enough to IBF. This is typical Msian… Bolehlah! If he walks away like TH, the Message would be very strong!!!

[abedeng]

No disrespect to Bao, he was the better player among the two today. And I am sure he could have won this on his own skill. But the officiating is a farce, and I salute LCW for holding on to sportsmanship despite the inevitable outcome. You can see that if when call was good, LCW did not object.

I hope Kido/Setiawan will not suffer the same fate. Unlike the women's game, the men's game require more precision in line officiating 'cos most winners are normally hit close or at the lines and at speed. Otherwise it is almost impossible to make a kill.

[mikefly]

LCW show good sportmanship, maybe LCW also want his friend win.

[PlayaFromMalaya]

c'mon people, sign sign sign.... hopefully then the Olympics will be different:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?bwfpet&1

hmm... how many signatures should i collect before sending it to BWF?

50000000000000000000000000000000... would be enough

[Sammy]

There's nothing for the Chinese fans to be proud of their player, Bao CL's win because they way the game was won was shameful.

Today CL seemed fired up to win, but nobody will accord him the praise because he was playing a start-stop-start-stop-start-stop opponent. Because the game was not played to its full capacity. At the end of the game, CW's mind was so pre-occupied with the linesmen and umpire that he had to watch every fall of the shuttle carefully and actually asked the umpire if he had faulted, if again, the second time.

Shame on the organizers!

Today the winner is LEE CHONG WEI for the great sportsmanship he displayed. Another player, for e.g. Lin Dan or Taufik, if they were faulted this way, would have already walked.

Can't imagine OG 08. Yikes !:o:eek:

Hahaha....I would have walked out straight away. No doubt about it. Anyway, credit to BCL he played well but the match would have been more interesting and tight if it were not of the bias/controversial line calls. I just don't understand why China BA need to do that. They have good players who can win fairly.
As for OG 08 BWF need to do something to avoid controversial/bad line calls again else badminton would be a shameful sport in OG 08

[X Ball]

and photo of the umpire.


He was told off by the BWF officer.

[Deric Chang]

Very sad... after watching such a high quality game in ws.... was expecting the same for ms.... unfortunately.... those line calls robbed us of that possibility. I can see that BCL is on fire.... n knowing LCW, he fights fire with fire. If only the game could have been played in a fair arena. We would have had a very interesting match. most probably a 3 setter... sigh!!!

[wilfredlgf]

this time, bcl and lyb had a plan to beat lcw. The tactics were quite revealing. Bad calls or not, lcw was pick on by bcl. There were 3 controversial line calls and 1 net call.Hindsight is a great thing eh, maestro?

[spchu]

Ok both Chinese teams in women Doubles....at least we get to see some fair linesmen/ referee now....

[waile]

see u guys in HKO....

[OneToughBirdie]

CHN is showing signs of what will happened in Bejing Olympic '08 by shaping up the linesmen. I bet they will sweep all the golds and silvers in Olympic.
Aren't OLY referees and linesmen are from international countrie as I checked in the website? I heard anyone with experience in these positions can apply, but you haveto pay your own fare to CHN.

[nauyuchi]

i am supporting lcw... hope he show the peeps about the bad call

[MaLaYsIa Boleh!]

Come to think of it, Mew Cho was really lucky, imagine the same bad calls one here and there would have cost her title?
mew choo was not lucky but she is juz clever..
she knew tat close line call will go for XXF..
so she juz leave those which out more than 1 or 2 cm..
juz XXF tat can't grab the official helps..:D
her shutters clearly out and many saw it...

[techd]

i can just imagine Taufik now relaxing/resting and thankful he withdrew.:cool:

[wilfredlgf]

50000000000000000000000000000000... would be enoughThat will include the unborn generations ahead.

Li Yongbo would've retired by that time.

[vching]

50000000000000000000000000000000... would be enough

unless everyone on earth signs it 10000000000 times.... there is no way to get that number :)

[Misty100]

Exactly, they are upset by XXF's loss....

Exactly, CHN will dropped their "waterface" completely if they were to lose the MS title too. Nothing was spike then when WMC played XXF. XXF was never doubted to lose to WMC... she is the all amighty queen, and tagged to triumph today. But against LCW is totally different, LCW is the favourite.

[alfa-2]

No they didn't. Bao played better. Can't you accept that??

come on la.........after all those bad line calls were made, how could LCW play his slow n calm way??? If i was LCW, i would have walked to protest........let BCL take the title in shame cos of all the biased disgusting judges.............

[nauyuchi]

the umpire was not even watching the match. he is busy writing.....
urghhhhh

[sentosa]

why the MAS fans got frustrated like this? coz i think WMC's won against XXF will be the headline for tommorow, right?

[ants]

Many people dont expect XXF to lose it.

[Felicia_txh]

believe me lah guys, the 08 OG won't be the same like this one. i believe BWF are not blind you know.
I don think so...Chn gov wil pay more attention on OG rather than this small open!!therefore,if there are incidents like today,it wil ruin Chn's image!!:rolleyes:

[Sammy]

LCW show good sportmanship, maybe LCW also want his friend win.

Well, he can walk to BCL shake his hand and walk out

[X Ball]

I wonder whether BAO would have been as fresh if he had played Chen Hong. He was very sharp today and could have played the whole day.:D

[K Genetics]

A disappointing MS final for me. I would like to see LCW winning the game, but I am equally happy on watching exciting game even LCW lose the game. But the judges simply destroyed the game and it is no fair at all to any sportsman.

I can understand that there are bad calls in badminton matches, but as a professional linesmen and umpire you don't do so many bloody obvious bad calls.

If I was LCW I will simply walk off. But thanks LCW, he has shown great sportsmanship to the ignorant judges.

[spchu]

I think badminton must also use eagle eye like tennis but too bad there are some finances problem..

I disagree, we already have those tv replays in play now so why not just used that instead of biased Linesmen/ referee?

[s1nn3r]

I think msia, ina, korean & denmark must united to make a stand against CHINA linesmen! Walk away if there are more than 3 bad line??

[nauyuchi]

for those with more than 1 email account... go for it!!

[ctjcad]

There were some dubious calls in the WS match too.
..and if there were, did it affect WMC, her fighting spirit & the result??...:confused:;)

[s1nn3r]

and photo of the umpire.

no photo le!!! I wanna see HIS FACE!!!

[sepang]

i can just imagine Taufik now relaxing/resting and thankful he withdrew.:cool:

Taufik must be laughing now. He already anticipated what will happen there...

[eaglehelang]

the reason why i like LCW better than TH now is because i think he is more gentle than TH. Even though he got cheated but at least he still fight with proud.

Even if LCW wanted to walk out, Misbun, the ever cool and calm guy wouldnt have allowed. He did make a statement by protesting 2X.
And asked the umpire about the "racket over the net" issue. The replay showed his racked more or less same position but 2nd time umpire didnt fault him.

The Thai XD protested too in yesterday's Semis, so everyone will remember this tourney as "bad judge and linesmen".
Walking out, the Koreans already did that. That send a clear enuf message.

During Olympics I think it will be more fair, cos there's some International Oylmpics council to watch over it.

[wilfredlgf]

LCW show good sportmanship, maybe LCW also want his friend win.I have two wings, a wand, dressed in a tutu and collect teeth from lil' kiddies around the world.

[Hazeef]

right after the second set's bad call, when lee chong wei throwing his racket and asked bao for a time out, how nice was Bao to change the shuttle (giving chong wei more time to deal with his frustration). Also he delayed his service a bit after that...

congratzz to Bao. I know he can win with his form today, and he's really happy for it. but all the bad calls are ruining his winning. really pity him.

[Wong8Egg]

no photo le!!! I wanna see HIS FACE!!!

Kwun already posted! check 2 pages back.

[alfa-2]

LCW plays alright. Three bad calls are six points spread between LCW and BCL. If LCW get the point, he actually leads the game. The outcome will be different. I certainly think LCW could win the game.

totally agreed.........we wouldnt have said anything if BCL won the match like in DO. I'll salute him if he did that.

[AlfredEarn]

it too unfair for LCW
BCL win because of the "Refree/Lineman"
and make LCW play in angry mood
then lose
China man help china
he bluff LCW
unfair match

[Han]

why the MAS fans got frustrated like this? coz i think WMC's won against XXF will be the headline for tommorow, right?

I will ask you the same question when Kido/Setaiwan lose in the same manner later on.

[vching]

for those with more than 1 email account... go for it!!

yikes.... nanti lose credibility pulak....

[Jessica]

why the MAS fans got frustrated like this? coz i think WMC's won against XXF will be the headline for tommorow, right?
Ya...Ya..Ha..ha..:DHope Markis/Hendra will win later..

[s1nn3r]

..and if there were, did it affect WMC and her fighting spirit??...:confused:;)
Nobody is the same… WMC isnt doing the badminton good for the long run! PROTEST PROTEST PROTEST for the future of badminton!!

[ycchen]

and the true sportsman is LCW. who despite the whole umpire team going against him still kept his cool and played till the end. my hats off to LCW for that.

ya. agree. he is a good sportsman. he could still put smile on face and thank the fans after the match. looks like China's dream to sweep 5 golds in Beijing 2008 is quite possible looking at the "quality" of umpires today. Lin Dan and Bao better prepare well to win the gold next year. :D

[sentosa]

if LCW got cheated, how come MISBUN didn't do anything about it? that's weird. ( not even talking to the umpire )

[twobeer]

I think badminton must also use eagle eye like tennis but too bad there are some finances problem..

Wouldn't be to expensive, I think, with a high-speed camera per line (and net), and if challenge a WBF representative could rule using that video...

Heck, they could even use the current cameras, to overrule obvious biased o
r erroneous calls from line-judges..

It's just a matter of will/effort from BWF..

/Twobeer

[pjswift]

A few bad line call would effect your mental, is never about the point. You would wonder! Should I hit less harder to the baseline? Should I smash harder to the sideline? A shorter lop would enable opponent to do fantastic shot. It makes people think that your opponent play a good game but in actual your game decline :0
Depends.When LCW is totally focussed , he's unbeatable.When not, he's becomes totally beatable.
You can say line calls can affect LCW's game;that's true.But he decides on whether he wants them to affect him.What he can tell himself to prepare mentally for a dirty match is this:'There's gonna be at least 3 bad calls, that's not gonna be a problem when I give my best.' This kind of pre-match mental talk would block him from 'dirty' disturbance the way he's able to block out crowd support for his opponent.
No point wasting energy with umpire but he should make eye contact with linesman for confirmation to make him feel rotten. So that on the next borderline call, the linesman may feel a need to favour him to feel better.
Consider this a rehearsal and lesson for OG08 where the conditions would not be as rotten.(Umpire won't be from CHN)
Meanwhile, congrats to BCL for winning CO!Surely LCW can afford to give his friend the break.
The sad part is we've been robbed of a sensational MSF match.Is the CHN crowd happy? Happy as in a warm feeling or hollow happy?Most would feel hollow I believe ,but I'm happy for BCL.

[sepang]

No hawk-eye..they can use replay...like American Football - NFL. Such bad call should be eliminated.

[Misty100]

i can just imagine Taufik now relaxing/resting and thankful he withdrew.:cool:

He was watching the telecast... and saw all those slow motion replay. He fumed, sweared, cursed and booed at the linesmen and umpire. Deep inside he was pleased that he decided to withdraw at the last minute.

[eugene77]

Havent seen someone be4 although being affected by the linesman actually won the game

[alfa-2]

..should be very proud of LCW...In adversity, LCW still showed great sportsmanship, even clapped his hand w/racket to the fans...
About all the posts complaining abt the umpires/CHN are cheating in the just ended MS Finals match, IF they indeed did it on purpose, don't you guys think they would've planned the same in XXF's and WMC's match?..:confused:

Btw, the webcast is now showing basketball..:p:mad::(

they were starting to show their patriotism when XXF lost grip on the WS title. and if LCW wins too, they would be seriously disgraced on their homeland.

[Sammy]

why the MAS fans got frustrated like this? coz i think WMC's won against XXF will be the headline for tommorow, right?

We prefer to lose the game with dignity not win the game without dignity. WMC won is because the shuttle fell clearly on the court not on the line where judges and empire can manipulate the result.

[vching]

No hawk-eye..they can use replay...like American Football - NFL. Such bad call should be eliminated.

sepang has a point here, like there is a third umpire for cricket....

[twobeer]

if LCW got cheated, how come MISBUN didn't do anything about it? that's weird. ( not even talking to the umpire )

What would the use be?? The only effect would be some extra rest for a heavy breathing Bao.

/Twobeer

[s1nn3r]

This is not the fisrt time I see China doing this! I hate that…I would say A LOTTA TIMES! If this continue nobody wanna watch Games Played in China anymore

[chity hour]

BCL
loser who won the title
no respect of that
by the way, he have to share his reward with CH


LCW
the true winner of today

[abedeng]

Come to think of it, Mew Cho was really lucky, imagine the same bad calls one here and there would have cost her title?

Two things:-

1. Mew Choo does not hold the pressure of winning. Without that pressure, she would not have been much affected by bad calls. Having said that, it is true that officiating in her match vs both Zhang Ning and Xie Xingfang were very fair.

2. The women's game hasn't evolved to such a precise level as the men's yet. In MS especially, most smash kills or attacking lobs are directed at the lines. Otherwise, smashes are returned or lobs come out very short.

[shyeling]

:mad::mad:may b this is the reason behind the incident.. if bao lost to LCW, means that most probably china will only get 1 title from WS in front of their home ground since china may lost the MD title too.. so may b they try to do sth so that their face get retained.. u guys agree??:confused::confused::confused:

[alfa-2]

I doubt that. Remember what happened last year when TH walk out while playing LD??? LOL

TH who was watching the match at home................surely :mad::mad::mad:

[Winnie Lim1314]

they did this to LCW,and do so they did the same thing to Korea MD double!!!

[sepang]

if LCW got cheated, how come MISBUN didn't do anything about it? that's weird. ( not even talking to the umpire )

If I were his coach, I would jump out and shout loud. Sportmanship is one thing, protest what is right is important.

[nauyuchi]

play fair and square...
no one will be angry if this happen.

[vching]

TH who was watching the match at home................surely :mad::mad::mad:

TH must be calling LCW and offering his condolence

[Sammy]

No hawk-eye..they can use replay...like American Football - NFL. Such bad call should be eliminated.
NFL one of the best sports in the world. Miss that game so much:crying:

[sentosa]

did BCL really play that bad today? how come people keep saying that he won because he cheated?

[s1nn3r]

China is really going to win at all cost! I guess they are going to Poison roger federe, lebron James, kobe bryant, Kenya, robinho & etc to win medals in next year olympic

[eugene77]

not him...the linesman

[vching]

If I were his coach, I would jump out and shout loud. Sportmanship is one thing, protest what is right is important.

true, the korean coach came up to confront the umpire at the LYD JJS match...

[Oldhand]

The injured Zhao Ting Ting, who gave a walkover in the XD, is now playing WD with amazing agility and speed :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Well, I guess it's a real miracle :cool:
And it happens only in China :D :D

[alfa-2]

And we MAS guys will make sure KINDRA get all the support they need .....:D

I am very disappointed with the officiating. :eek::mad::mad::mad: Is there an agenda here, just because all their top WS and XD players got beaten by the rest of the world? If they need to win this that bad on home soil, why not just deny foreign players visa and play between themselves .......

Any other player would have walked out, I salute LCW for continuing on and still in smiles despite the inevitable outcome.

post of the day.............yeah make it a China SS Close........not open.:D:D:D

[Jessica]

No wonder Taufik don't want to participate this time...I think he knew if he come to china this time,they will be more explosive incidence.

[Hazeef]

is there any sports that allow referee from the same country judging the match? im not sure, but i dun think so...

[skchen]

Agreed! I feel pity for Lee even I am supporting BCL today. It is a total disgrace for the China Open officials. Those line calls are not only insult to Lee but also an insult to BCL. As a supporter of BCL, I rather to see him lose, be the Mr. Runner up and played in a fair ground than having a given WO and bunch of fault line call.

I am truly disappointed this time! Shame on the line judge and the umpire! :mad:

__________________________________________________ ___________

LCW just could not play his usual flawless game with such questionable umpiring and line calls. He would have been able to play better elsewhere. BCL's win is flawed as he had his 'walkover' plus the aforesaid. But to be fair to BCL, he played reasonably well in both the semi-final and final and he was good in both defence and attack. He was also fast in his movements. LCW should attack more instead of being passive at times and playing trick shots.
I doubt LCW can win in Hong Kong if the same situation persists there.
:mad::mad::mad:
__________________________________________________ ___________

[Misty100]

One thing for sure, WMC stealing the glory from the whole CHN team is simply amazing. All their superwomen players, without any peers lost to a delicate sweet girl from MAS... hahahaha, with 3 slots in the semifinalists, 5 quarterfinalists and with XXF, ZN, ZL, LL... all the top 4 players in the world today... it's a total disaster!!!

[X Ball]

Athough this is not BAO's fault, I think the pulling out of CH might have given him a slight advantage today. There were two bad line calls today and one bad judge call when LCW tapped down the shuttle at the net.

This is a night that LCW could not handle. I agree with Pjswift -- it should be quite a hollow win for China (but BAO played well in spite of that).

[Louisa]

If I were his coach, I would jump out and shout loud. Sportmanship is one thing, protest what is right is important.
bcoz, he is MISBUN, not LEE YONG BO!!!

[indra]

I am sure...a buffalo as long as it represents China will also be able to defeat LCW if the match is held in China:D Mooooooo.....Moooooooo:D

[nauyuchi]

if this happen during the OG... no one will respect china....
huhhhh....

[shyeling]

if LCW got cheated, how come MISBUN didn't do anything about it? that's weird. ( not even talking to the umpire )

this is not the m'sian style.. only if the unfairness happen to the chinese player, then the china coach will stand up and argue with the umpire..:rolleyes:

[vching]

The injured Zhao Ting Ting, who gave a walkover in the XD, is now playing WD with amazing agility and speed :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Well, I guess it's a real miracle :cool:
And it happens only in China :D :D

its the ancient art of healing :D:D

[cooler]

No woder Taufik don't want to participate this time...I think he knew if he come to china this time,they will be more explosive incidence.
i think u got it;)

[s1nn3r]

If I were his coach, I would jump out and shout loud. Sportmanship is one thing, protest what is right is important.
Is important to protest when it is necessary! Fight for a change not just take the beating… be the one who leads! Don’t let the China linesmen kill the games.

[WYL26]

Unfortunately, the bad line calls undermine the entire game and also one's assessment of the players' performances. When one player is leading and loses his focus owing to bad line calls, the opponent's 'performance' from that point onwards does not reflect his real form. A player's form and performance in a match is relative to his/her opponent's performance. If his/her opponent does not lose focus and can execute smart game plan with good attacking and defending skills, the player's performance may not be as great. The fact that BCL started to pick up successive points after several bad line calls that affected LCW's concentration is not only unfair to LCW. It is also unfair to BCL, because it makes it impossible for one to judge the true performance and form of BCL. We cannot say that he was in smashing form or was performing superbly when LCW's loss of concentration does not allow the latter to perform well. Had LCW's performed well, BCL might or might not perform as well as what he did. So the fact that LCW has been prevented from performing his best in such an unfair manner makes any assessment of BCL's performance unjustified.

[MaLiq]

The injured Zhao Ting Ting, who gave a walkover in the XD, is now playing WD with amazing agility and speed :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Well, I guess it's a real miracle :cool:
And it happens only in China :D :D

LOL
i guess miracles DO happen:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Jofianty]

did BCL really play that bad today? how come people keep saying that he won because he cheated?

BCL plays well today :).
All LCW's fans are angry with the line judge.
poor bao bao :(
I hope Markis/Hendra is more mentally prepare against the bad call ....

[s1nn3r]

its the ancient art of healing :D:D
Amazing!!!!! Ahahahaha

[Felicia_txh]

If I were his coach, I would jump out and shout loud. Sportmanship is one thing, protest what is right is important.
I don think it's useful!!!I tink I will try my best to help Chong Wei to win the game n calm down CW if I am Misbun!!:)Be emotional n arguing is not a way to settle the problem....

[eugene77]

hope next year's Olympic would be a
fair one

[wilfredlgf]

bcoz, he is MISBUN, not LEE YONG BO!!!
Who is 'Lee Yong Bo' ?

[techd]

its the ancient art of healing :D:D
i thinks its those chinese meds or the water in china that lets them heal very fast.
but not fast enough no to give a walkover;)

[Louisa]

TH must be calling LCW and offering his condolence
TH: i told u oledi, don go....but u insisted wanna go...haiya, u c, u c???
LCW: I ........:crying::crying::crying:
TH: sayang, nvm, ur gf won...she will bring u shopping in GZ:D
LCW: ok, ok, she is waiting...:o

[alfa-2]

Having said that, I still think BCL would have won anyway even without the bad line calls...he seems really determined to win it this time, while LCW looks fatigued.

i dont think so.......it was a 55:45 match favouring LCW. After those bad calls and the biased umpire judge, it became 70:30 favouring BCL. LCW can't concentrate anymore, TH walked, the koreans walked, I would have slammed my racquet on the floor............

no no no............ill slammed it on their heads 1st.:D:D:D

[eaglehelang]

Havent seen someone be4 although being affected by the linesman actually won the game

If I'm not mistaken, the Thais XD won in or QF of this tourney against Gao Ling /Zheng although there were dubious line calls. Good mental strength.

[Sammy]

ya. agree. he is a good sportsman. he could still put smile on face and thank the fans after the match. looks like China's dream to sweep 5 golds in Beijing 2008 is quite possible looking at the "quality" of umpires today. Lin Dan and Bao better prepare well to win the gold next year. :D
Bulls eye!! Hahaha....they need to train their empire and line judges properly so that the "quality" is at least maintain. Their players can relax now. The empire and line judges will win the gold medal for them. Hmmm....how about a few months break at the beach side? Hahahaha....:D:D

[s1nn3r]

BCL plays well today :).
All LCW's fans are angry with the line judge.
poor bao bao :(
I hope Markis/Hendra is more mentally prepare against the bad call ....
Usually they don’t use linesmen in men double, more on the empire & service judge to rattle their opponents.

[Jessica]

I am actually angry with all the walkover..The BWF should really take some action for cheating.ZTT who concede a walkover in XD due to injury is actually playing fine now.What is all this???All the officials in BWF,don't just know how to fight for power,please make badminton more decent.Datuk Punch Gunalan,please take some action!!!

[PlayaFromMalaya]

unless everyone on earth signs it 10000000000 times.... there is no way to get that number :)

nothing is impossible... :rolleyes: ok seriously..thats impossible...

[twobeer]

did BCL really play that bad today? how come people keep saying that he won because he cheated?

Bao played great today.. But we will never know if that would have been enough to beat LCW in a fair fight, as the calls where unfair...

And to illustrate this the exmample with just 3 bad calls changing a score like 15-15 to 18-12, it is easy to see how decisive these calls are with the rally scoring (not even considering the psycological impact, impact of break in the game for protest, etc)..

/Twobeer

[sentosa]

hey guys when XIE/GUO vs CTT/LWW yesterday, are there any bad line calls too?

[OneToughBirdie]

Bao Chunlai played exceptionally well against Lee Chong Wei...
...and it's undoubtedly a well-earned victory for BCL. :)

However, it's shameful to see China blatantly using its umpires, linesmen and lineswomen to tilt the balance. :mad:

The official that umpired the XD match yesterday between China and Thailand was back in (shameful) action today in the BCL-LCW final.
This is inspite of the fact that he made an obviously wrong ruling yesterday... ...to put it plainly, the man's talents don't go beyond juvenile umpiring :eek:

Just as biased line-judging has marred previous editions of the China Open (in particular, I remember a match in which Peter Gade was being murdered by the line-judges), the China Open 2007 has been nothing short of a brazen display of 'sponsored official cheating'. :cool:

Isn't there such a thing as national pride? :rolleyes:
How can China allow this to happen?

In hindsight, I guess Taufik's decision to stay away was a wise one.
Else, he'd have been playing against not just an opponent on court, but also against a dozen opponents seated around it. :D

Because you are dealing with CHN and LYB, no scruples, no ethics and winning is all that matters.
Too bad those calls tainted this match...guessed LYB match fixing to rest BCL worked, BCL played very well and in top form and would have won with a tired LCW even at the first set, not to mention he was off form.
WMC said best yesterday in her interview after her win over ZN when the CHN media asked her how she feel with XXF having an easy game with Lu Lan, WMC replied "I cannot control that action".

[Silencer]

well, at least no one here is talking about the boring women doubles..
and all on the hot topic of lcw

[Netasia]

what china officials did today, is polluting the sport, killing it slowly. Ripple effect may take place as other officials may do the same with their own ground advantage. Younger generation will more likely not to choose badminton as a profession.

But again, personally i think BCL played very well today.

[shyeling]

Who is 'Lee Yong Bo' ?

actually is LI YONGBO, the china chief coach

[Brave_Turtle]

The fact is, BCL didn't need the judge to win this game.

[X Ball]

The general conclusion here is everyone is not exactly happy --- too much manipulation by authorities. Shameful all round.

I hope this will never happen in the MO. Sportsmanship by LCW was the only shining feature in all these fracas.

[K Genetics]

did BCL really play that bad today? how come people keep saying that he won because he cheated?

Nothing wrong with BCL, he is just earning the benefits from bad calls. :) I believe that BCL wanted a good game too, but the judges destroyed it.

[Misty100]

Athough this is not BAO's fault, I think the pulling out of CH might have given him a slight advantage today. There were two bad line calls today and one bad judge call when LCW tapped down the shuttle at the net.

This is a night that LCW could not handle. I agree with Pjswift -- it should be quite a hollow win for China (but BAO played well in spite of that).

There are more than 2, if you were to watch the match again. LCW's concentration was slightly disturbed almost from the beginning, but he was not rattled. But when the very obvious bad line calls surfaces, he can't take it anymore. Then the very very obvious one, the 4th according to the commentator, happens... he was totally distracted, not counting that uncalled penalty at the net.

[techd]

great game by BCL + LCW discouraged by line calls + Chinese umpire = ???

[WYL26]

Unfortunately, the bad line calls undermine the entire game and also one's assessment of the players' performances. When one player is leading and loses his focus owing to bad line calls, the opponent's 'performance' from that point onwards does not reflect his real form. A player's form and performance in a match is relative to his/her opponent's performance. If his/her opponent does not lose focus and can execute smart game plan with good attacking and defending skills, the player's performance may not be as great. The fact that BCL started to pick up successive points after several bad line calls that affected LCW's concentration is not only unfair to LCW. It is also unfair to BCL, because it makes it impossible for one to judge the true performance and form of BCL. We cannot say that he was in smashing form or was performing superbly when LCW's loss of concentration does not allow the latter to perform well. Had LCW's performed well, BCL might or might not perform as well as what he did. So the fact that LCW has been prevented from performing his best in such an unfair manner makes any assessment of BCL's performance unjustified.

[Sammy]

its the ancient art of healing :D:D

Anything can happen in China. China "Boleh"! (China Can!!):D:D

[Felicia_txh]

hey guys when XIE/GUO vs CTT/LWW yesterday, are there any bad line calls too?
I think none...LWW/CTF made too many errors!!:p

[sepang]

BCL plays well, he could win the game without those bad calls. I feel bad for him. He knows that he win the game "EASILY" because of not only one bad calls but 6 doubtable bad calls....12 point spread...

SAD SAD SAD

I really really feel sad for LCW. He certainly not underdog in this game even though he has yet to show his top form.

[shyeling]

One thing for sure, WMC stealing the glory from the whole CHN team is simply amazing. All their superwomen players, without any peers lost to a delicate sweet girl from MAS... hahahaha, with 3 slots in the semifinalists, 5 quarterfinalists and with XXF, ZN, ZL, LL... all the top 4 players in the world today... it's a total disaster!!!

ya ya..
she 'kills' one by one per day..
1st is world no. 3, zhu lin:)
then, world no. 2, zhang ning:)
finally is world no. 1, xie xingfang:)

[twobeer]

The fact is, BCL didn't need the judge to win this game.

It's really not a "fact", but it's a theory from Brave_turtle :p

The fact is we don't know, as we cannot undo the line-calls and net-calls and change history..

It is also a fact, that apart from getting -3 or -4 points (also means +3 +4 points to the other player). if the player feels he get unfair treatment, it will also affect his motivation and get him to loose focus on the game..

/Twobeer

[WYL26]

Unfortunately, the bad line calls undermine the entire game and also one's assessment of the players' performances. When one player is leading and loses his focus owing to bad line calls, the opponent's 'performance' from that point onwards does not reflect his real form. A player's form and performance in a match is relative to his/her opponent's performance. If his/her opponent does not lose focus and can execute smart game plan with good attacking and defending skills, the player's performance may not be as great. The fact that BCL started to pick up successive points after several bad line calls that affected LCW's concentration is not only unfair to LCW. It is also unfair to BCL, because it makes it impossible for one to judge the true performance and form of BCL. We cannot say that he was in smashing form or was performing superbly when LCW's loss of concentration does not allow the latter to perform well. Had LCW's performed well, BCL might or might not perform as well as what he did. So the fact that LCW has been prevented from performing his best in such an unfair manner makes any assessment of BCL's performance unjustified. We must not lose sight of this.

[eugene77]

anyone watching the doubles game now?

[Misty100]

If I'm not mistaken, the Thais XD won in or QF of this tourney against Gao Ling /Zheng although there were dubious line calls. Good mental strength.

During the semis, but then the Thais were leading far ahead, 20:16 i think. They only need to convert 1 point to win, and they did. But they did protest too. That is one blunder, so obvious, stupid umpiring. Shameful! It'll be remember for a long long time.

[chity hour]

bcoz, he is MISBUN, not LI YONG BO!!!

totally agree with u

[yyclub]

All 6 line judges, a service judge and an umpire are Chinese and you are in final playing against a Chinese player, this is what you would expect. You either play 200% better, or get over it very fast (like WMC did) and stick to your game plan or walkover. BCL didn't at fault, this is something he wants for so long. LCW should control his emotion, but I do agree it is a bit too much. Pitty him. :(

[wilfredlgf]

anyone watching the doubles game now?
It's not as fun as discussing/swearing/shouting/deflecting/arguing about LCW vs BCL game. :)

[K Genetics]

Bao played great today.. But we will never know if that would have been enough to beat LCW in a fair fight, as the calls where unfair...

And to illustrate this the exmample with just 3 bad calls changing a score like 15-15 to 18-12, it is easy to see how decisive these calls are with the rally scoring (not even considering the psycological impact, impact of break in the game for protest, etc)..

/Twobeer

I have totally agreed with you. Players can't play a good game under that psychological distraction. Don't try to bull **** that one can control the emotion and continue on the game like normal.

[MaLiq]

anyone watching the doubles game now?

im not watching..
lost interest in the whole tournament..
much prefer to read on comments bout the match here..hehe

[Misty100]

Unfortunately, the bad line calls undermine the entire game and also one's assessment of the players' performances. When one player is leading and loses his focus owing to bad line calls, the opponent's 'performance' from that point onwards does not reflect his real form. A player's form and performance in a match is relative to his/her opponent's performance. If his/her opponent does not lose focus and can execute smart game plan with good attacking and defending skills, the player's performance may not be as great. The fact that BCL started to pick up successive points after several bad line calls that affected LCW's concentration is not only unfair to LCW. It is also unfair to BCL, because it makes it impossible for one to judge the true performance and form of BCL. We cannot say that he was in smashing form or was performing superbly when LCW's loss of concentration does not allow the latter to perform well. Had LCW's performed well, BCL might or might not perform as well as what he did. So the fact that LCW has been prevented from performing his best in such an unfair manner makes any assessment of BCL's performance unjustified. We must not lose sight of this.


Thank God, someone speaks my mind. Thank you, i agreed with what you said here.

[Jessica]

Guys...Please sign the petition online now to protest all the action done by china team especially walkover.

[abedeng]

Nothing wrong with BCL, he is just earning the benefits from bad calls. :) I believe that BCL wanted a good game too, but the judges destroyed it.

I agree, and for that we should not discount the fact of BCL's performance. Whatever he benefited from did not originate from him. I wish him well and hope he steps out of LD's shadow.

[Silencer]

ya ya..
she 'kills' one by one per day..
1st is world no. 3, zhu lin:)
then, world no. 2, zhang ning:)
finally is world no. 1, xie xingfang:)


if she does this in championship or olympics, then her winning is not questionable, and is not just lucky.:rolleyes:

[X Ball]

BWF must review the complaints, walkovers, bad line calls and bad judge calls and take action --- it is absolutely woeful. Totally reflects badly on China.

[OneToughBirdie]

Many people dont expect XXF to lose it.
That includes me...

[chity hour]

Anything can happen in China. China "Boleh"! (China Can!!):D:D

china "tak boleh"
only malaysia boleh ;)

[sentosa]

hey guys, r u sure all the line judge are from china? what if they r actually chinese from SIN, MAL, or maybe even INA?

[Brave_Turtle]

It's really not a "fact", but it's a theory from Brave_turtle :p

The fact is we don't know, as we cannot undo the line-calls and net-calls and change history..

/Twobeer

I hear ya Twobeer, I know those line call were nasty.

But BCL played very well, the fact that the judge created the drama is only discrediting him. I recorded the replay and rewatched it and the 1st one was clearly out.

I guess I didn't make myself clear.

[Louisa]

All 6 line judges, a service judge and an empire are Chinese and you are in final playing against a Chinese player, this is what you would expect. You either play 200% better, or get over it very fast (like WMC did) and stick to your game plan or walkover. BCL didn't at fault, this is something he wants for so long. LCW should control his emotion, but I do agree it is a bit too much. Pitty him. :(
yes, but talk is much more easier then do...i would say, we are angry here not becoz of lcw lost to bcl, but the way the umpire n line judges carried the match....

BCL played a powerful game today...BUT, the officials spoiled it...

[OneToughBirdie]

I don think so...Chn gov wil pay more attention on OG rather than this small open!!therefore,if there are incidents like today,it wil ruin Chn's image!!:rolleyes:
CHN wouldn't care less what others think...win as many medals, esp gold in OLY is the target.

[madbad]

Accepting the truth and accepting the result is DIFFERENT. Did u watch the game? Did u watch the replay? I watched on GD Sports (CHN channel) and the commentator (CHN man) said it was out (before the line was called) but the linesman said it was OUT. the commentator just speechless... :rolleyes::mad:

I'm not disputing the line calls. Yes, they were suspicious. My point is that from watching the match, Bao was the better player, much better actually. Therefore I think he would have won regardless. And if LCW was that good, he would have had the mental strength to deal with the situation better and perhaps overcome it.

[pjswift]

this time, bcl and lyb had a plan to beat lcw. The tactics were quite revealing. Bad calls or not, lcw was pick on by bcl. There were 3 controversial line calls and 1 net call. Yes, cooler's eyes saw 1 incorrect line call against lcw at 14-10, 2nd set. There wasn't good replay on the other disputed line calls so i can't tell.
No good replay means wrong call. A bit too early to think clearly, huh.What you can't see,you figure.Free training this time.

[Felicia_txh]

if she does this in championship or olympics, then her winning is not questionable, and is not just lucky.:rolleyes:
Hope MC will do the same thing in next tournament!!defend the title!!:)

[Silencer]

i hope wmc can quickly improve her world ranking to number 4... so that got chance to catch up

[OneToughBirdie]

I wonder whether BAO would have been as fresh if he had played Chen Hong. He was very sharp today and could have played the whole day.:D
Never mind fresh, BCL could lose to CH.

[arice_MAS]

how dare china do that to MAS.since WMC win so wanna 'balas dendam' to LCW lah.
mk/hs go go go!!! fight the unfair china

[Misty100]

Guys...Please sign the petition online now to protest all the action done by china team especially walkover.

You think BWF will do anything? They are bunch of clowns, can't even plan a proper SS Master finals and probably have to had it cancelled. Look at Punch Gunalan, he is sitting there comfortably with his bloodie big belly in the centre in Cheras. I think they'll totally ignore or throw out whatever petition we were to send to them.

[twobeer]

I hear ya Twobeer, I know those line call were nasty.

But BCL played very well, the fact that the judge created the drama is only discrediting him. I recorded the replay and rewatched it and the 1st one was clearly out.

I guess I didn't make myself clear.


O Sorry if I where to "jumpy" :cool:

Cheers,
T

[K Genetics]

Thank God, someone speaks my mind. Thank you, i agreed with what you said here.

Agree. If BCL plays against me, he can easily beat me 21-0, but it doesn't mean that he is in his great form. :D

[Inky2000]

hey guys, r u sure all the line judge are from china? what if they r actually chinese from SIN, MAL, or maybe even INA?

I think at all tournaments, line judges are locals ... to save cost.

[sepang]

BCL plays well today :).
All LCW's fans are angry with the line judge.
poor bao bao :(
I hope Markis/Hendra is more mentally prepare against the bad call ....

No matter how mentally prepare you are. Several bad calls already determined the outcome on top level game like this. Every game is win or lose with 5 points or less.

[eaglehelang]

WMC said best yesterday in her interview after her win over ZN when the CHN media asked her how she feel with XXF having an easy game with Lu Lan, WMC replied "I cannot control that action".


OneTough, where did you read that? On the official website? It was NOT in the English version.

[ycchen]

I am actually angry with all the walkover..The BWF should really take some action for cheating.ZTT who concede a walkover in XD due to injury is actually playing fine now.What is all this???All the officials in BWF,don't just know how to fight for power,please make badminton more decent.Datuk Punch Gunalan,please take some action!!!

actually players shouldn't be blamed on this because after all, it is the coach who gives command on the outcome of the game. i am "amazed" by the patriotism of China's coach especially LYB who always puts the interest of country at the first place. :D

[night]

....and why we never get to see those replays when there is a dispute?

Conspiracy theory anyone?

There was even a camera parallel to back line, but was not shown on replay. It's very obviuos why!!!

[pjswift]

hey guys, r u sure all the line judge are from china? what if they r actually chinese from SIN, MAL, or maybe even INA?
Doesn't matter. They get wined and dined by CHN BA.

[WYL26]

I'm not disputing the line calls. Yes, they were suspicious. My point is that from watching the match, Bao was the better player, much better actually. Therefore I think he would have won regardless. And if LCW was that good, he would have had the mental strength to deal with the situation better and perhaps overcome it.

Unfortunately, the fact that LCW's performance has been affected by loss of concentration in such an unfair manner renders any assessment of BCL's performance unjustified, given that a player's performance and form is relative to his/her opponent's performance.

[X Ball]

I'm not disputing the line calls. Yes, they were suspicious. My point is that from watching the match, Bao was the better player, much better actually. Therefore I think he would have won regardless. And if LCW was that good, he would have had the mental strength to deal with the situation better and perhaps overcome it.


LCW is no superman. He played hard to overcome all the adversities against him : bad lin calls, bad judge call, and a fresher BAO (who did not have to play in the Qtrs.

[Jessica]

You think BWF will do anything? They are bunch of clowns, can't even plan a proper SS Master finals and probably have to had it cancelled. Look at Punch Gunalan, he is sitting there comfortably with his bloodie big belly in the centre in Cheras. I think they'll totally ignore or throw out whatever petition we were to send to them.
Sigh...I am so sad:crying::crying::crying:...This explain why badminton is so much behind tennis...:crying:

[Louisa]

I'm not disputing the line calls. Yes, they were suspicious. My point is that from watching the match, Bao was the better player, much better actually. Therefore I think he would have won regardless. And if LCW was that good, he would have had the mental strength to deal with the situation better and perhaps overcome it.
again, talk is easier than do....lcw is human...we just want fair play....bcl played well, but lcw is not his usual self...we r not taking the pride from bcl, is the officials...sad for bcl n lcw...n for this sport...sigh!!!

[sepang]

hey guys when XIE/GUO vs CTT/LWW yesterday, are there any bad line calls too?

I did not see bad call yesterday. CTT/LWW just played poorly and not focused.

[K Genetics]

I think at all tournaments, line judges are locals ... to save cost.

Yes, linesmen are local. Only the umpires are "provided" by International Badminton Association.

[ctjcad]

Nobody is the same… WMC isnt doing the badminton good for the long run! PROTEST PROTEST PROTEST for the future of badminton!!
..can't LCW mimic what WMC did??..I thought he has more experience than WMC and had faced this same kind of pressures/challenges before??..:confused:

they were starting to show their patriotism when XXF lost grip on the WS title. and if LCW wins too, they would be seriously disgraced on their homeland.
..well, IF there is a "conspiracy" to this CHN Open, they (CHN) could've done the unthinkable-that is to allow all CHN Finals, if they want to-but they didn't...:p

[OneToughBirdie]

Wouldn't be to expensive, I think, with a high-speed camera per line (and net), and if challenge a WBF representative could rule using that video...

Heck, they could even use the current cameras, to overrule obvious biased o
r erroneous calls from line-judges..

It's just a matter of will/effort from BWF..

/Twobeer
CHN wouldn't allow cameras in CO cos it will messed up her plan on line calling:D

[pjswift]

hey guys when XIE/GUO vs CTT/LWW yesterday, are there any bad line calls too?
CHN's not stupid.Bad calls are selective and only for critical matches.

[Peter5124]

Unfortunately, the bad line calls undermine the entire game and also one's assessment of the players' performances. When one player is leading and loses his focus owing to bad line calls, the opponent's 'performance' from that point onwards does not reflect his real form. A player's form and performance in a match is relative to his/her opponent's performance. If his/her opponent does not lose focus and can execute smart game plan with good attacking and defending skills, the player's performance may not be as great. The fact that BCL started to pick up successive points after several bad line calls that affected LCW's concentration is not only unfair to LCW. It is also unfair to BCL, because it makes it impossible for one to judge the true performance and form of BCL. We cannot say that he was in smashing form or was performing superbly when LCW's loss of concentration does not allow the latter to perform well. Had LCW's performed well, BCL might or might not perform as well as what he did. So the fact that LCW has been prevented from performing his best in such an unfair manner makes any assessment of BCL's performance unjustified. We must not lose sight of this.

Well said...we can't judge both players' performance in this situation whether who is playing great and who is not. had LCW not affected by those unfair calls, I'm sure he has his own plan not to let Bao fully utilize his lethal smash and other adv. I'm sure LCW has his own plan but he lost the direction once affected by those calls. He might have lost the motivation to do his best as the outcome might be against him. He's losing motivation.

On China side, this issue has to be raised to improve the quality of the judges so that people won't be losing confidence in the next China Open.

[abedeng]

Even Super-Dan failed in opening round, LCW did better by at least being in the final. Fact is, since he rediscovered his form in Indonesia Super Series, LCW is consistently closing the points gap against LD.

[X Ball]

I did not see bad call yesterday. CTT/LWW just played poorly and not focused.


Bad calls, if intentional, are only done if they think the players needed help. BAO certainly needed some in the 1st game as well as the 2nd. After the bad call at 11-10 (or thereabouts when it was still close), LCw just faded and ended 21-12.

[night]

If i was there, i would have thrown eggs at those stupid refrees!

Why should I bring eggs into the stadium anyway?? :p

[Jofianty]

oh shoot RTM broadcast ended now?

[Misty100]

I'm not disputing the line calls. Yes, they were suspicious. My point is that from watching the match, Bao was the better player, much better actually. Therefore I think he would have won regardless. And if LCW was that good, he would have had the mental strength to deal with the situation better and perhaps overcome it.

I believe, only if LCW wasn't distracted as early as the match started by those bad line calls, he would have full concentration and may have executed his game plan with precision. BCL may be shaken and intimidated. He may not even raise his game. Usually when you know that the umpire and linesmen are on your side, and your opponent is rattled, you will gain in confidence and play better.

[wilfredlgf]

..can't LCW mimic what WMC did??..I thought he has more experience than WMC and had faced this same kind of pressures/challenges before??..:confused:
It's easy to imagine that you, as a spectator, could rise up to the challenge and do one better than the losing side but the reality is that when you have a long battle to go with the environment on a hostile footing to you, it sucks the fighting spirit off you.

[Inky2000]

WD final is wrapping up and yet nobody bother to update the scores or discuss it ... funny. We still couldn't recover from the anger against the line judge(s).

[ycchen]

yes, but talk is much more easier then do...i would say, we are angry here not becoz of lcw lost to bcl, but the way the umpire n line judges carried the match....

BCL played a powerful game today...BUT, the officials spoiled it...

LCW's temper can be considered good already. if this happens to Taufik Hidayat, he will not complete the match. :D

[Sammy]

Yes, linesmen are local. Only the umpires are "provided" by International Badminton Association.

Huh? BWF provided all Chinese empires to this "Super Series"???:eek::eek:

[twobeer]

There was even a camera parallel to back line, but was not shown on replay. It's very obviuos why!!!


Doesn't matter. They get wined and dined by CHN BA.

It doesnt matter where they are from.. If I can sit and watch a web stream and oviously tell the line calls where incorrect and the rulings favouring one player.. it is wrong and unfair.. where the people who made these biased calls where born doens't really matter to me..

/Twobeer