China Super Series 2007 - Day 6 (Nov 25) - Finals

[jasonmarc]

BCL played a good match today...congratz!!!erm...say 'jia you' 2 LCW for his next tournament(Hong Kong Open)...and hope badminton association of Hong Kong can employ those trained line judges...please...do not be unfair!

No guarantee,...it happened last year...LD Vs TH....:rolleyes::mad:;)

[sentosa]

OK lah guys no need to start blaming each other. Let's just hope that this incident wouldn't happen again in the FUTURE

[Carbonexer]

The bad line calls only contributed a few points to BCL but its the psychology effects on LCW that contributed to BCL despicable victory.

LYB knows that LCW is easily disturbed both mentally and psychology. So last time he shouted "break his leg" openly in one of the match between LD and LCW and immediately LCW could not concentrate is his game thereafter. This time he is smarter and more dirtier but the effect is still the same on LCW. All in all LYB is one of the most utterly filthiest and despicable creature ever existed on earth at this moment.

[sepang]

even though the result not so good for CHN, but they still dominate with 2 WINNERS and 3 runners up


They only have 1 Winner. Unfortunately, BCL is not a true winner because of linemens; not his fault, sad for him

[Oldhand]

Hello Wai Shing please mind your words.... this is racist
Please treat the matter as closed :cool:
wai shing seems to have misrepresented himself

If wai shing meant no offence, no offence should be taken :)

[robin7]

Despite having homeground advantage, the mighty China only managed to "win" 2 out of 5 titles on offer thru the controversial Men's Singles and Women's Doubles.

Indonesia grabbed 2 titles from Mixed and Men's Doubles whereas Malaysia has to be contented with 1 title thru Wong Mew Choo in Women's Singles.

[madbad]

Hello Wai Shing please mind your words.... this is racist and i think if I am the administrator i will band u from making such statements.

Hello!! Racist? If you have been reading most of this thread, you'll see a whole lot more racist comments, mainly from upset fans who can't control themselves. Apparently, their brains seemed to have lost rational thinking. :mad:

[eaglehelang]

..once again and get their long awaited first SS title..;)


..like yannie said, that's mostly the reason..Another factor is the tactical, style or counter-style of play..which for some reason, Markis & Hendra still haven't figured out how to successfully counter against KKK & TBH..;)

..2nd set was much more competitive, though:cool:..Now on to HK Open and let's see if Markis & Hendra can defend their HK Open title..;)

Yup their first SS title of the year (taiwan was GP Gold). They should win over Guo/Xie, Kido/Setiawan are World No 3, World Champs.

Or rather I'm just very glad China didnt win it. Kido/Setiawan handled the service faults better this time, maybe cos they experienced it during China Masters against Fu/Cai. Guo/Xie more hesistant against Kido/Setiawan, like not sure what to do at times. They were more confident against CTF/LWW and in Philipines against KKK/TBH


I'm still wondering why CTF/LWW didnt try harder in the Semis.
Guo/Xie are actually not as good as the other top MDs. They might beat oldies JE/ML due to age factor but Tony/Chandra, CTF/LWW, LYD/Jung, should NOT have a problem beating them.


As for losses to KKK/TBH, as posted by many already, Rexy has taught the Msian pairs how to beat Kido/Setiawan. KKK/TBH, CTF/LWW have beaten them.

[shyeling]

glad to heard that rtm 1 will show the daily highlight n live show for semis and final for hong kong open..:):):)

[Jessica]

Well...Can't wait for Hong Kong Open..

[chity hour]

hope thing will be more great in hkg open

[Oldhand]

Guo/Xie are actually not as good as the other top MDs. They might beat oldies JE/ML due to age factor but Tony/Chandra, CTF/LWW, LYD/Jung, should NOT have a problem beating them.
Er, Tony and Chandra are youngsters? :eek:

As for losses to KKK/TBH, as posted by many already, Rexy has taught the Msian pairs how to beat Kido/Setiawan. KKK/TBH, CTF/LWW have beaten them.
Rexy should teach them how to beat those from Japan and Taipei :D
They are the ones spoiling the Malaysian party :p

[Carbonexer]

Congrats for INA for winning 2 titles. Esp for Kido/Setiawan, today we saw how World Champs really play. Keep it up!!!!

Congrats for BCL for winning MS, and LCW for great sportsmanship.

Congrats too for WMC, not for her WS win, but for not giving up. Imagine, feeling so tired, and 4-9 down in the rubber game, against the World No 1 on her home soil .....
Please remember that Wong Mew Choo is more than just winning the title. She is more than just beating XXF. Take a look at her path to final and compare that to XXF path. XXF had a much easier path.

So remember, Wong Mew Choo victory is a lot more than just winning XXF and winning the title. She has to exhausted her self to the maximum limit before putting herself to the ultimate final test. To me, she has won 4 titles beating all the top players before playing and beating the best player at the end.

Its a big difference between playing all the second best players before win the best player and just winning the best player. Now Wong Mew Choo is the best woman player and she has made Malaysia so proud.

To Wong Mew Choo, Thank You for all the hard works. You have made us so proud.

[tohcsh]

Apparently, their brains seemed to have lost rational thinking. :mad:
Agree .... ...............

[roger_beckham]

OK lah guys no need to start blaming each other. Let's just hope that this incident wouldn't happen again in the FUTURE

i am sure it will happen again.....and also....next year Olympic game....China will be the champion in overall gold medal table..... it is china~!!!

[roger_beckham]

Please remember that Wong Mew Choo is more than just winning the title. She is more than just beating XXF. Take a look at her path to final and compare that to XXF path. XXF had a much easier path.

So remember, Wong Mew Choo victory is a lot more than just winning XXF and winning the title. She has to exhausted her self to the maximum limit before putting herself to the ultimate final test. To me, she has won 4 titles beating all the top players before playing and beating the best player at the end.

Its a big difference between playing all the second best players before win the best player and just winning the best player. Now Wong Mew Choo is the best woman player and she has made Malaysia so proud.

To Wong Mew Choo, Thank You for all the hard works. You have made us so proud.

Wong Mew Choo is a real champion!!! I think that F***ing LYB did not expect that XXF will lose to WMC, so he didnt pay the umpire money to do "something". and he know LCW 100% can win BCL, so he talked to umpire, give him some kopi ooo.......

[Sammy]

i am sure it will happen again.....and also....next year Olympic game....China will be the champion in overall gold medal table..... it is china~!!!

Hahaha....if all other sports follow the example of the empires and line judges of this Super Series

[chris-ccc]

obvious badline call, but LCW still accept it like a gentleman.




LCW complained that this was the 2nd bad calls against him.


lcw lost his focus./?




Important to let the empire know! Another call… he gonna Give A WLAK OVER!!




Chinese badminton is about to same as national football team.

In 07 CO, the biased umpires and countless bad calls gave the victory to CHN, but this is only SS, during OG, can u still do the same? Bad calls to LCW (at least 3 times, our commentator admit that as well), and Bao became furious, what if urself having this condition? To ensure that Bao can enter semi and final, lots of biased calls from the umpire, line judges and service judge, and the team even order CH to walkover? This is even worst than Jones's drugs case, r u going to do this during the OG? If continue like this, how can LD, Bao's mental strength getting better? What a waste for all these badminton talents...and this help LCW n others to train their mental strength.

National badminton will "FINISH" if continue like this, and even worse than national football.

I used to watch national football b4, but now I only watch Spanish League and EPL.

Not really good translation :o

It took me 2 hours to read (from Post#967) about 1000 posts and a few posts from the Chinese Forum appearing here. :o

This is a bad day for our beloved Badminton indeed. :(

Cheating shown and televised to the whole world to watch... Is this pure desperation arising from despair from a national team ??? :confused:

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[roger_beckham]

Hahaha....if all other sports follow the example of the empires and line judges of this Super Series

haha....i am sure it will.......they will disqualify all the super challengers from 110m hurdle......in the final 8, Liu Xiang from china, second china, third china, malaysia, indonesia, east timor, phillipines, and laos will be competing........

[eaglehelang]

1) Er, Tony and Chandra are youngsters? :eek:

2) Rexy should teach them how to beat those from Japan and Taipei :D
They are the ones spoiling the Malaysian party :p


1) It's actually a compliment to both Tony/Chandra. They are 32 but can play very well, well deserved to be OG Champ. Tony esp is good at deceptive net play, this MD pair have beaten (to put it midly) young pairs in straight sets. Korean, Japan lost to them.

CTF/LWW (31 and 31 respectively) sometimes, when they are in top form can play like pairs 10 years younger, best example of course was at WC 2007 Qf against Fu/Cai. Skills experience wise, Guo/Xie no match for them.


2) I'm sure Rexy is already doing that. According to press intv, at Japan Open, Rexy took TBH to watch match between Tony/Chandra & Sakamoto/Ikeda. They havent studied thorughly yet, I suppose.

Rexy from Indonesia mah, he knows inside out how Indonesian players play.

[Cheung]

Wong Mew Choo is a real champion!!! I think that F***ing LYB did not expect that XXF will lose to WMC, so he didnt pay the umpire money to do "something". and he know LCW 100% can win BCL, so he talked to umpire, give him some kopi ooo.......more comments like this and there will be justification to close this thread.

[Sammy]

Imagine what if China host Thomas and Uber Cup where competition among countries will be much fiercer. Can't imagine that

[Carbonexer]

With LCW recent condition...BCL still will be able to win even without these HELP :o
You are not god so please don't speak like you are. When LCW psychology is affected the subsequent game play is no longer his true performance. Like I said before, BCL did not beat the real LCW. Its a distorted outcome and it has no meaning anymore. No one will ever know the real outcome anymore although we all know the "expected outcome". But China could not accept the "expected" outcome and so they distorted it for their despicable victory. Get it??

[chity hour]

Wong Mew Choo is a real champion!!! I think that F***ing LYB did not expect that XXF will lose to WMC, so he didnt pay the umpire money to do "something". and he know LCW 100% can win BCL, so he talked to umpire, give him some kopi ooo.......

:p:p:p:p:p:p
:D:D:D:D:D:D

[eaglehelang]

Please remember that Wong Mew Choo is more than just winning the title. She is more than just beating XXF. Take a look at her path to final and compare that to XXF path. XXF had a much easier path.

So remember, Wong Mew Choo victory is a lot more than just winning XXF and winning the title. She has to exhausted her self to the maximum limit before putting herself to the ultimate final test. To me, she has won 4 titles beating all the top players before playing and beating the best player at the end....

.

Yup, she did a Tine R. And she was very, very determined. I was worried for her knee when she lunged forward to save the shuttle in 3rd set. Hope she didnt aggravate her injury.

After such a long time, finally she had shot a winning a major title. She had tears flowing as she jumped for joy. This is very meaningful win for WMC and Malaysia.

After Indonesia WD's win in China Masters, the great wall in China women's department have been broken more regularly.

[Jessica]

Wong Mew Choo is a real champion!!! I think that F***ing LYB did not expect that XXF will lose to WMC, so he didnt pay the umpire money to do "something". and he know LCW 100% can win BCL, so he talked to umpire, give him some kopi ooo.......
Are you Roger Federer and David Beckham fan?:D

[chity hour]

Imagine what if China host Thomas and Uber Cup where competition among countries will be much fiercer. Can't imagine that

malaysia broke the great wall of china by winning the semifinal on 2002

[Oldhand]

Wong Mew Choo is a real champion!!! I think that F***ing LYB did not expect that XXF will lose to WMC, so he didnt pay the umpire money to do "something". and he know LCW 100% can win BCL, so he talked to umpire, give him some kopi ooo.......
I'm no prude...
...and I'm no fan of LYB...
...but we certainly could do with better language here :mad:

You could, if you want, make your point as emphatically as anyone else without stooping to such levels :mad:

[Louisa]

what a day for us....

i have no hard feeling to bcl, i think he is the victim of manipulation...he played well, with all those smashes n drop...he is really hunger of title...i pity him....

anyway, looking at the bright side, this is a real good training ground for lcw as OG08 will be in China.

i think lcw is physically n psychologically tired...gone thru 3 sets from previous 2 matches, and clearly know that the atmosfere n environment will be against him...

so...lets hope for better in the coming SS...and fans like us don't have to be too emotional...badminton fans all over the world are having eyes, so, they know what is happening...

[flymordecai]

It seems the Great Wall(s) of China is crumbling, specifically in WS. Was it Japan Open where Tine Rasmussen beat 3 of the Chinese players to win? And then now WMC beats 3-4 of the Chinese, including WC champions Zhu Lin, Zhang Ning, and then Xie Xing Fang. The other teams are targeting the women's side because that's where China is strongest. Also in MS it seems that they are more vulnerable, even world #1 Lin Dan.

I think that China's decreasing dominance in the sport is good for the sport, but it's also bad for the sport because it seems the Chinese coaches will do anything(from bribing the officials) to increase their chances of winning the title. BWF must investigate on this matter so that it will not hurt the sport.

[Carbonexer]

4. It would be meaningless if the only tournaments such a talented player wins are "assisted ones".
Because LYB is pretty sure that with the "assisted ones" BCL stands no chance against LCW. We have all seen it in the most recent French Open.

[roger_beckham]

I'm no prude...
...and I'm no fan of LYB...
...but we certainly could do with better language here :mad:

You could, if you want, make your point as emphatically as anyone else without stooping to such levels :mad:

ok....sorry about that......that stupid LYB......

[Oldhand]

ok....sorry about that......that stupid LYB......
the more apt word would be 'clever' or 'cunning' :cool:

[jimbo]

the more apt word would be 'clever' or 'cunning' :cool:

Havent u heard the "old fox" is more cunning? :eek::p This scumbag is indeed a cunning fox ;)

[ycchen]

WMC should decide to pull out of HK Open. She will be too tired for SEA Games in Korat, starting 6 December. She needed a break badly and she need to rest her injured knee too. I pledge to Wong TM/YKH to pull WMC out of HK Open... give the poor girl a break, she is human, not machine. Afterall winning China Open title and beating the No. 1, No.2, No.3 and No.6 seeds in the world ranking is indeed an impressive task, not forgetting on their very own turf.

i agree with you. she should consider pulling out from HK open. she needs a break. she can now conentrate in bringing more glory to our country during Sea Games in Korat. :)

[extremenanopowe]

well, at least Malaysia won an event. It has been a long long long long.... time since the last person won a ss event like tournament. Well done to WMC. Lei Hou yeh!!! Keep up the good work.

[ixory]

Congratulation to WMC!!!!.This is the most exciting WS i've ever saw in this year.Her hardwork,determination and never-die-attitude really worth it.The way she play today is totally awesome.The shuttle kept coming back to XXF court..:p.BRAVO GAL..i'm proud with you!!!:D:D

[Oldhand]

Laws of Badminton - International Version
17. OFFICIALS AND APPEALS
17.1 The Referee shall be in overall charge of the tournament or event of which a match forms part.
17.2 The umpire, where appointed, shall be in charge of the match, the court and its immediate surrounds. The umpire shall report to the Referee.
17.3 The service judge shall call service faults made by the server should they occur (Law 9.1).
17.4 A line judge shall indicate whether a shuttle landed ‘in’ or ‘out’ on the line(s) assigned.
17.5 An official’s decision shall be final on all points of fact for which that official is responsible except that if, in the opinion of the umpire, it is beyond reasonable doubt that a line judge has clearly made a wrong call, the umpire shall overrule the decision of the line judge.
17.6 An umpire shall:
17.6.1 uphold and enforce the Laws of Badminton and, especially, call a ‘fault’ or a ‘let’ should either occur;
17.6.2 give a decision on any appeal regarding a point of dispute, if made before the next service is delivered;
17.6.3 ensure players and spectators are kept informed of the progress of the match;
17.6.4 appoint or replace line judges or a service judge in consultation with the Referee;
17.6.5 where another court official is not appointed, arrange for that official’s duties to be carried out;
17.6.6 where an appointed official is unsighted, carry out that official’s duties or play a ‘let’;

Of course, the makers of the laws didn't envision a scenario in which the umpire and the line-judges are partners-in-crime :D

Laws of Badminton - China Badminton Version
17. OFFICIALS AND APPEALS
17.1 Li Yongbo shall be in overall charge of the tournament or event of which a match forms part.
17.2 The umpire, where appointed, shall be in charge of the match, the court and its immediate surrounds. The umpire shall report to Li Yongbo.
17.3 The service judge shall call service faults made by the server whether they occur or not, provided Team China is not the server (Law 9.1 - CB Version).
17.4 A line judge shall indicate whether a shuttle landed ‘in’ or ‘out’ on the line(s) assigned. If the shuttle lands anywhere within six inches of the line(s), all such calls shall be 'in' when hit by Team China and 'out' when hit by Team China's opponents. Line judges shall remain alert and vigilant to pounce on every advantageous opportunity.
17.5 An official’s decision shall be final on all points of fact for which that official is responsible except that if, in the opinion of the umpire, it is beyond reasonable doubt that a line judge has clearly made a wrong call in favour of Team China, the umpire shall claim to have been unsighted and desist from overruling the decision of the line judge.
17.6 An umpire shall:
17.6.1 uphold and enforce Li Yongbo's Laws of Badminton and, especially, award the point and serve to Team China should any opportunity arise;
17.6.2 give a decision in favour of Team China on any appeal regarding a point of dispute, if made before the next service is delivered;
17.6.3 ensure Li Yongbo, the players and the spectators are kept informed of the progress of the match;
17.6.4 appoint or replace line judges or a service judge with fresh Team China line judges or a service judge if the BWF Referee is foolish enough to demand so;
17.6.5 where another court official is not appointed, arrange for that official’s duties to be carried out by a Team China member;
17.6.6 where an appointed official is unsighted, carry out that official’s duties or play a ‘let’ to Team China's advantage;

[CLELY]

WoW, INA grabbed 2 titles in SS tournament for the first time. And first SS title for both Kindra and Nova/Lilyana. Well done and keep moving to next stop, HKG SS!

Once again, unexpected result for China WS squad. WMC fighting spirit is so amazing, her fairytale story in Panda Land similar with Tine Rasmussen happy ending episode in Tokyo. Yeah, MAS must be proud of her. Congratulations!

Overall, seems this CHN SS is full of controversy, hopefully next time should be better and more professional...

[night]

and photo of the umpire.

Thanks Kwun for this foto. I like it. :D:rolleyes:

[extremenanopowe]

I believe this win is a classic for WMC. One a life time possibly. Beating so many top players on the way to victory at their own turf is no easy feat. Lets do the dance. (Seen Evan Almighty?). You cool?

[night]

c'mon people, sign sign sign.... hopefully then the Olympics will be different:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?bwfpet&1

hmm... how many signatures should i collect before sending it to BWF?

Maybe the quetion should be. How many days should we wait? One week? Less or more?

[extremenanopowe]

In sports, money rules. Talk to BWF president la, just around cheras only what. go there and strike.

[vching]

Laws of Badminton - International Version
17. OFFICIALS AND APPEALS
17.1 The Referee shall be in overall charge of the tournament or event of which a match forms part.
17.2 The umpire, where appointed, shall be in charge of the match, the court and its immediate surrounds. The umpire shall report to the Referee.
17.3 The service judge shall call service faults made by the server should they occur (Law 9.1).
17.4 A line judge shall indicate whether a shuttle landed ‘in’ or ‘out’ on the line(s) assigned.
17.5 An official’s decision shall be final on all points of fact for which that official is responsible except that if, in the opinion of the umpire, it is beyond reasonable doubt that a line judge has clearly made a wrong call, the umpire shall overrule the decision of the line judge.
17.6 An umpire shall:
17.6.1 uphold and enforce the Laws of Badminton and, especially, call a ‘fault’ or a ‘let’ should either occur;
17.6.2 give a decision on any appeal regarding a point of dispute, if made before the next service is delivered;
17.6.3 ensure players and spectators are kept informed of the progress of the match;
17.6.4 appoint or replace line judges or a service judge in consultation with the Referee;
17.6.5 where another court official is not appointed, arrange for that official’s duties to be carried out;
17.6.6 where an appointed official is unsighted, carry out that official’s duties or play a ‘let’;

Of course, the makers of the laws didn't envision a scenario in which the umpire and the line-judges are partners-in-crime :D

Laws of Badminton - China Badminton Version
17. OFFICIALS AND APPEALS
17.1 Li Yongbo shall be in overall charge of the tournament or event of which a match forms part.
17.2 The umpire, where appointed, shall be in charge of the match, the court and its immediate surrounds. The umpire shall report to Li Yongbo.
17.3 The service judge shall call service faults made by the server whether they occur or not, provided Team China is not the server (Law 9.1 - CB Version).
17.4 A line judge shall indicate whether a shuttle landed ‘in’ or ‘out’ on the line(s) assigned. If the shuttle lands anywhere within six inches of the line(s), all such calls shall be 'in' when hit by Team China and 'out' when hit by Team China's opponents. Line judges shall remain alert and vigilant to pounce on every advantageous opportunity.
17.5 An official’s decision shall be final on all points of fact for which that official is responsible except that if, in the opinion of the umpire, it is beyond reasonable doubt that a line judge has clearly made a wrong call in favour of Team China, the umpire shall claim to have been unsighted and desist from overruling the decision of the line judge.
17.6 An umpire shall:
17.6.1 uphold and enforce Li Yongbo's Laws of Badminton and, especially, award the point and serve to Team China should any opportunity arise;
17.6.2 give a decision in favour of Team China on any appeal regarding a point of dispute, if made before the next service is delivered;
17.6.3 ensure Li Yongbo, the players and the spectators are kept informed of the progress of the match;
17.6.4 appoint or replace line judges or a service judge with fresh Team China line judges or a service judge if the BWF Referee is foolish enough to demand so;
17.6.5 where another court official is not appointed, arrange for that official’s duties to be carried out by a Team China member;
17.6.6 where an appointed official is unsighted, carry out that official’s duties or play a ‘let’ to Team China's advantage;

haha, you've made my day :D:D:D

[vching]

Maybe the quetion should be. How many days should we wait? One week? Less or more?

I'm letting it stand for a week and from there, I'll see what to do depending on the numbers...

[george@chongwei]

c'mon people, sign sign sign.... hopefully then the Olympics will be different:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?bwfpet&1

hmm... how many signatures should i collect before sending it to BWF?
i think the best way for the badminton games to be clean n fair, we must like tennis, that gt technology system 1...
can threat the ball in or out..

[flymordecai]

About XD, I'm happy that Sudket/Saralee are back in the mix. Did the disappear for a while or were they just unsuccessful getting into later rounds?

[s1nn3r]

Laws of Badminton - International Version
17. OFFICIALS AND APPEALS
17.1 The Referee shall be in overall charge of the tournament or event of which a match forms part.
17.2 The umpire, where appointed, shall be in charge of the match, the court and its immediate surrounds. The umpire shall report to the Referee.
17.3 The service judge shall call service faults made by the server should they occur (Law 9.1).
17.4 A line judge shall indicate whether a shuttle landed ‘in’ or ‘out’ on the line(s) assigned.
17.5 An official’s decision shall be final on all points of fact for which that official is responsible except that if, in the opinion of the umpire, it is beyond reasonable doubt that a line judge has clearly made a wrong call, the umpire shall overrule the decision of the line judge.
17.6 An umpire shall:
17.6.1 uphold and enforce the Laws of Badminton and, especially, call a ‘fault’ or a ‘let’ should either occur;
17.6.2 give a decision on any appeal regarding a point of dispute, if made before the next service is delivered;
17.6.3 ensure players and spectators are kept informed of the progress of the match;
17.6.4 appoint or replace line judges or a service judge in consultation with the Referee;
17.6.5 where another court official is not appointed, arrange for that official’s duties to be carried out;
17.6.6 where an appointed official is unsighted, carry out that official’s duties or play a ‘let’;

Of course, the makers of the laws didn't envision a scenario in which the umpire and the line-judges are partners-in-crime :D

Laws of Badminton - China Badminton Version
17. OFFICIALS AND APPEALS
17.1 Li Yongbo shall be in overall charge of the tournament or event of which a match forms part.
17.2 The umpire, where appointed, shall be in charge of the match, the court and its immediate surrounds. The umpire shall report to Li Yongbo.
17.3 The service judge shall call service faults made by the server whether they occur or not, provided Team China is not the server (Law 9.1 - CB Version).
17.4 A line judge shall indicate whether a shuttle landed ‘in’ or ‘out’ on the line(s) assigned. If the shuttle lands anywhere within six inches of the line(s), all such calls shall be 'in' when hit by Team China and 'out' when hit by Team China's opponents. Line judges shall remain alert and vigilant to pounce on every advantageous opportunity.
17.5 An official’s decision shall be final on all points of fact for which that official is responsible except that if, in the opinion of the umpire, it is beyond reasonable doubt that a line judge has clearly made a wrong call in favour of Team China, the umpire shall claim to have been unsighted and desist from overruling the decision of the line judge.
17.6 An umpire shall:
17.6.1 uphold and enforce Li Yongbo's Laws of Badminton and, especially, award the point and serve to Team China should any opportunity arise;
17.6.2 give a decision in favour of Team China on any appeal regarding a point of dispute, if made before the next service is delivered;
17.6.3 ensure Li Yongbo, the players and the spectators are kept informed of the progress of the match;
17.6.4 appoint or replace line judges or a service judge with fresh Team China line judges or a service judge if the BWF Referee is foolish enough to demand so;
17.6.5 where another court official is not appointed, arrange for that official’s duties to be carried out by a Team China member;
17.6.6 where an appointed official is unsighted, carry out that official’s duties or play a ‘let’ to Team China's advantage;

A GOOD ONE!!! Let's not forget and learn from here... DONT BE LIKE CHINA! Is a shameful act of Terrorism towards BADMINTON! Li Yong Bo please dont kill the game we LOVE!

[night]

Unfortunately, the bad line calls undermine the entire game and also one's assessment of the players' performances. When one player is leading and loses his focus owing to bad line calls, the opponent's 'performance' from that point onwards does not reflect his real form. A player's form and performance in a match is relative to his/her opponent's performance. If his/her opponent does not lose focus and can execute smart game plan with good attacking and defending skills, the player's performance may not be as great. The fact that BCL started to pick up successive points after several bad line calls that affected LCW's concentration is not only unfair to LCW. It is also unfair to BCL, because it makes it impossible for one to judge the true performance and form of BCL. We cannot say that he was in smashing form or was performing superbly when LCW's loss of concentration does not allow the latter to perform well. Had LCW's performed well, BCL might or might not perform as well as what he did. So the fact that LCW has been prevented from performing his best in such an unfair manner makes any assessment of BCL's performance unjustified.

Well said, but some ppl just couldn't see it...

[s1nn3r]

Well said, but some ppl just couldn't see it...
Nobody wanna see it! People want JUSTICE… We love the game & we wont let THIS INJUSTICE spoil the game image !!!! If this continue BAdMINTON might be booted out of Olympic next time!

[carolynwg]

No matter wat, LCW best player i ever c... Great sportmanship.. Salute him.. Thumbs up !!
Hope he can win the HKO !!!!!!!
Pls, no more unfair umpires !!!!
Agree dat bao play better, but if without the unfair umpire n lineman, lcw might win it !!
Tmr's result,WS: WMC bt XXF 21-16.8-21,21-17
MS: Umpire+ Lineman bt LCW 21-12,21-13..

if im LCW i'll present my racket 2 the lineman n ask him continue 2 play wit BAO...

[george@chongwei]

from the official website....

(Guangzhou, November 25) On November 25, 2007 (http://action.vogate.com/c/c.php?r=http%3A//chinaopen.cba.org.cn/en/&aid=4341&sid=6235007045038252&click=1&url=http%3A//www.uuseeweb.cn&v=0&k=2007&s=http%3A//chinaopen.cba.org.cn/en/news/2007-11-25/146911.html&rn=339661), in the Women's single final of the China Open Badminton, Malaysian player Mew Choo Wong won the champion by beating Chinese player Xie Xingfang 2-1. This match is of the highest level among the matches in which Mew Choo Wong won champions.
In view of the score records of matches between the two players, Xie Xingfang won more successes and her sole loss was in the World Championships held in Malaysia in this August. Moreover, Xie defeated Mew Choo Wong in their latest match-French Open. Therefore, for the winner of this champion, the public leans to Xie.
However, the process of the match was out of expectation. In the first set, Mew Choo Wong won with 21-16. In the second set, Xie changed her tactics and soon set the pace, finally Xie won this set with 21-8. "In the second set her (Xie Xingfang) speed was fast and I could hardly follow her pace." Mew Choo Wong said that when Xie changed her tactics in the second set she still used the previous ones, thus she quickly fell into a passive situation, "She almost controlled the situation, and then I gave up this set."
The third set is the decider one. Mew Choo Wong said that it was hard for her at the beginning. "At the beginning of the third set I was also in a tumultuous situation. I even did not know how to cope with her. And I felt that my performance was not as stable as in the first set." Xie changed the side of the playground with 11-8, after which Mew Choo Wong won a draw with 13-13. "At that time, I did well on aspect of mind control. I told myself that I went through hardships to enter the final, therefore I could not give up and I must try my best to leave myself no regrets." Finally, Mew Choo Wong won this set with 21-17 and won the champion.

[carolynwg]

Please remember that Wong Mew Choo is more than just winning the title. She is more than just beating XXF. Take a look at her path to final and compare that to XXF path. XXF had a much easier path.

So remember, Wong Mew Choo victory is a lot more than just winning XXF and winning the title. She has to exhausted her self to the maximum limit before putting herself to the ultimate final test. To me, she has won 4 titles beating all the top players before playing and beating the best player at the end.

Its a big difference between playing all the second best players before win the best player and just winning the best player. Now Wong Mew Choo is the best woman player and she has made Malaysia so proud.

To Wong Mew Choo, Thank You for all the hard works. You have made us so proud.


100% agree.. WMC keep it up !!!

[george@chongwei]

i am sure that wong mew choo rank will raise after she won this china open

[vching]

WMC is ranked 7th together with XHW

[chity hour]

if LCW got cheated, how come MISBUN didn't do anything about it? that's weird. ( not even talking to the umpire )

he's gentlemen :rolleyes:;):cool:

[eaglehelang]

from the official website....

"At the beginning of the third set I was also in a tumultuous situation. I even did not know how to cope with her. And I felt that my performance was not as stable as in the first set." Xie changed the side of the playground with 11-8, after which Mew Choo Wong won a draw with 13-13. "At that time, I did well on aspect of mind control. I told myself that I went through hardships to enter the final, therefore I could not give up and I must try my best to leave myself no regrets." Finally, Mew Choo Wong won this set with 21-17 and won the champion.

LOL. That's really funny translation. "Change side of playground"

[rubydan]

What would the use be?? The only effect would be some extra rest for a heavy breathing Bao.

/Twobeer
yeah...agreeddd..would it make any change..
the umpire on Bao side lor...

[george@chongwei]

from www.thestar.com.my (http://www.thestar.com.my)

Mew Choo wins China Open


PETALING JAYA: National No. 1 Wong Mew Choo won the China Open Super Series' women's singles in Guangzhou, China.
She defeated world No. 1 Xie Xingfang of China, 21-16, 8-21, 21-17.
It was Wong's first Open title in her badminton career. She pocketed US$17,250 (RM58,650) for her historic feat Sunday.

[george@chongwei]

from www.thestar.com.my (http://www.thestar.com.my)

Chong Wei loses to Chunlai

PETALING JAYA: Malaysian No. 1 men's singles shuttler Lee Chong Wei's hope of winning his fourth Super Series title was dashed at the China Open in Guangzhou Sunday. The world No. 2 went down 12-21, 13-21 to China's Bao Chunlai in a 39-minute final

[huangkwokhau]

I was so happy that INA got 2 titles.......as well as Badmania.........

[vching]

WMC will pocket more than 17250.....

[george@chongwei]

so the results are as follow...

All results :
MS : Bao Chunlai (CHN) beat Lee Chong Wei (MAL) : 21-12, 21-13
WS : Wong Mew Choo (MAL) beat Xie Xingfang (CHN) : 21-16, 8-21, 21-17
MD : Setiawan/Kido (INA) beat Guo/Xie (CHN) : 21-12, 21-19
WD : Gao/Zhao (CHN) beat Du/Yu (CHN) : 17-21, 21-15, 21-8
XD : Widianto/Natsir (INA) beat Prapakamol/Thounthongkam (THA) : 15-21, 21-18, 21-11

[TH_4_President]

Hai guys..I'm just coming back..very late to comment..I feel sorry for what have happened with LCW and CHina SS in general.
Of course I feel happy to know INA won 2 titles in front of Chinese public, but I do feel what particularly MAS fans feel, let us just hope this things wouldn't be happened in next HKG SS..congrats to all winners
Thinking positively, CHN never be beaten and lost 3 titles in front of their public before, so it was kinda reflection of panic from Chinese side that they made cheating with false line judgement and error calls :D, surely this result in their homeground for them is really horrible..so you all should be proud of ur country reps to break up the Chinese wall in this tourney..
congrats LCW, WMC, Kindra and Nolyn..INDONESIA JAYA!! :D:D:D

[samuel882]

i AM SO GLAD that i missed most of the actions & argument from QF onwards.. (I am travelling oversea) :)
Congrats to all the winners, deserved it or not... A win is always a win.
Let's hope for a better tomorrow....

[pjswift]

i AM SO GLAD that i missed most of the actions & argument from QF onwards.. (I am travelling oversea) :)
Congrats to all the winners, deserved it or not... A win is always a win.
Let's hope for a better tomorrow....
Keep travelling

[anakin]

Keep travelling

Good idea... :D:D:D

[samuel882]

Keep travelling


Good idea... :D:D:D
Well, I will :D
I never seen so many comments for judges in any sports before, If BADMINTON develop further into this kinda situation. I can forget about watching it, either livescore /on TV sets/ Download from net :rolleyes:

[madbad]

Laws of Badminton - International Version
17. OFFICIALS AND APPEALS
17.1 The Referee shall be in overall charge of the tournament or event of which a match forms part.
17.2 The umpire, where appointed, shall be in charge of the match, the court and its immediate surrounds. The umpire shall report to the Referee.
17.3 The service judge shall call service faults made by the server should they occur (Law 9.1).
17.4 A line judge shall indicate whether a shuttle landed ‘in’ or ‘out’ on the line(s) assigned.
17.5 An official’s decision shall be final on all points of fact for which that official is responsible except that if, in the opinion of the umpire, it is beyond reasonable doubt that a line judge has clearly made a wrong call, the umpire shall overrule the decision of the line judge.
17.6 An umpire shall:
17.6.1 uphold and enforce the Laws of Badminton and, especially, call a ‘fault’ or a ‘let’ should either occur;
17.6.2 give a decision on any appeal regarding a point of dispute, if made before the next service is delivered;
17.6.3 ensure players and spectators are kept informed of the progress of the match;
17.6.4 appoint or replace line judges or a service judge in consultation with the Referee;
17.6.5 where another court official is not appointed, arrange for that official’s duties to be carried out;
17.6.6 where an appointed official is unsighted, carry out that official’s duties or play a ‘let’;

Of course, the makers of the laws didn't envision a scenario in which the umpire and the line-judges are partners-in-crime :D

Laws of Badminton - China Badminton Version
17. OFFICIALS AND APPEALS
17.1 Li Yongbo shall be in overall charge of the tournament or event of which a match forms part.
17.2 The umpire, where appointed, shall be in charge of the match, the court and its immediate surrounds. The umpire shall report to Li Yongbo.
17.3 The service judge shall call service faults made by the server whether they occur or not, provided Team China is not the server (Law 9.1 - CB Version).
17.4 A line judge shall indicate whether a shuttle landed ‘in’ or ‘out’ on the line(s) assigned. If the shuttle lands anywhere within six inches of the line(s), all such calls shall be 'in' when hit by Team China and 'out' when hit by Team China's opponents. Line judges shall remain alert and vigilant to pounce on every advantageous opportunity.
17.5 An official’s decision shall be final on all points of fact for which that official is responsible except that if, in the opinion of the umpire, it is beyond reasonable doubt that a line judge has clearly made a wrong call in favour of Team China, the umpire shall claim to have been unsighted and desist from overruling the decision of the line judge.
17.6 An umpire shall:
17.6.1 uphold and enforce Li Yongbo's Laws of Badminton and, especially, award the point and serve to Team China should any opportunity arise;
17.6.2 give a decision in favour of Team China on any appeal regarding a point of dispute, if made before the next service is delivered;
17.6.3 ensure Li Yongbo, the players and the spectators are kept informed of the progress of the match;
17.6.4 appoint or replace line judges or a service judge with fresh Team China line judges or a service judge if the BWF Referee is foolish enough to demand so;
17.6.5 where another court official is not appointed, arrange for that official’s duties to be carried out by a Team China member;
17.6.6 where an appointed official is unsighted, carry out that official’s duties or play a ‘let’ to Team China's advantage;

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Love it!!!

[sepang]

Nobody wanna see it! People want JUSTICE… We love the game & we wont let THIS INJUSTICE spoil the game image !!!! If this continue BAdMINTON might be booted out of Olympic next time!

After the incident, Olympic committees may decide to pull badminton out from Olympic event since it does not meet the standard for sport spirit.

[syusuke ika]

After the incident, Olympic committees may decide to pull badminton out from Olympic event since it does not meet the standard for sport spirit.

uh...wat??hoho..if dat happen.. blame CHN ..haha...no2 juz kiddin' :p

[kwun]

alright. let's put the issue behind us. thread closed.