Why BAO Chunlai won?(Why LEE CW lost?)

[LI De Quan]

Why BAO won????(Why LEE CW lost????)

1.BAO Chunlai played really well today(also yesterday).

2.LEE Chong Wei is not fully recovered from his injury.

3.There were 2-3 incorrect calls from line judge during the game.

4.LEE Chong Wei is not mentally strong.

[kwun]

just a pre-warning.

there is obviously some controversial element in this thread so watch and think before you post. if you make stupid unneccessary comments we will be very quick with corrective actions.

[cooler]

Why BAO won????(Why LEE CW lost????)

1.BAO Chunlai played really well today(also yesterday).

2.LEE Chong Wei is not fully recovered from his injury.

3.There were 2-3 incorrect calls from line judge during the game.

4.LEE Chong Wei is not mentally strong.


#3, u can't prove all of the disputed line calls were incorrect. If i challenge all 21 point per game, would u classify them as incorrect line calls too? bcl won mostly because of #1.

#2. lcw look fast to me
#3 no proof (except for 1 line call)
#4. mentally, l didnt see lcw was weak today. Bcl was finding holes in lcw's gaps today.

[wilfredlgf]

Here's the simplest and best answer to it all, none will better it:


BCL reached 21 points before LCW.Try and beat that.

[ants]

Bao played well for sure. LCW lost was not because he is not fully recovered from his injury. Well i have no comments about the calls but i know that China is doing their best to make this tournament fair. In a way Yes , LCW was distracted, but not mentally strong. He just lost to a better player.

[K Genetics]

Here's the simplest and best answer to it all, none will better it:

Try and beat that.

BCL reached 21 points first but LCW can't even reach 20 points. :D

[kkkfans]

bao chunlai always use the smash on it.....
n lcw less use smash.....the line judge n umpire is unfair!!!!
cause they help bao chunlai!!!!

[robin7]

Why BAO won????(Why LEE CW lost????)
It reminds me of Indonesia Open 2007 when LCW won the title. Someone made a statement on the winner and I thought it can be used here too but just replace the name of LCW by BCL.

Don't get it? Click here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=575126&postcount=493).:D:D

Seriously,
(1) BCL outplayed LCW in every aspect from defense, attacks to anticipation of shots.
(2) I think LCW has recovered 80% if not 100% from his knee injury but it didn't affect his game.
(3) Yes. A few bad line calls have affected LCW emotionally.
(4) LCW is not mentally strong? No.

[luyi80]

Why BAO won????(Why LEE CW lost????)

1.BAO Chunlai played really well today(also yesterday).

2.LEE Chong Wei is not fully recovered from his injury.

3.There were 2-3 incorrect calls from line judge during the game.

4.LEE Chong Wei is not mentally strong.

Answer:
1. Definitely, after rested 1 extra day (Thanks to CH).

2. Maybe

3. More than that, if u follow the whole match

4. No

He is a true sportman, though everything go against him, he still keep cool and continue his play, and applaud when BCL won. Don't u agree, Mr. Li?

[Smichz]

Simply because BCL played better than LCW today..that's all..
Everyone has their own perfect day..dont fight over it..

[xymaerts]

LCW start the games very well till he think that there are few bad line call. Then he is distrusted on Game1 as well as Game2...
For me.. Bao's win will not last long ... Let see he can win LCW or not next time..

[robin7]

Even the Chinese fans are ashamed of the umpiring, see http://comment2.news.sohu.com/viewcomments.action?id=253461005
虽然我希望鲍春来胜，但要胜得公平

鲍春来胜之不武
一、是中国队逼迫陈宏退赛　使鲍春来节省体力轻松胜韩国人　再次保存体力
二、裁判太过分　对李宗伟太不公平

可以说李宗伟是放弃了这场比赛　根本没有发力　也没有体力发力了

但可以说下场比赛　鲍春来在公平的环境下毫无疑问要输给李宗伟

可悲　可惜　可叹啊!

BCL had the ability to win but it had to be fair
BCL's win was not "convincing" because
(1) China team forced CH to withdraw to conserve BCL's energy in SF against PSH
(2) Umpires and judges were biased against LCW.

LCW had given up the match and didn't play his best.

BCL had the "upper hands" even before the final match.

Pathetic, disgracing and shameful!
　　

[Smichz]

LCW start the games very well till he think that there are few bad line call. Then he is distrusted on Game1 as well as Game2...
For me.. Bao's win will not last long ... Let see he can win LCW or not next time..

hehe...dont get angry over it man.Memang org lain tak boleh menang?:D
Today,BCL won.Tommorow,LCW win.Next week,LD win.Next month,TH win.Next year,PG win.Fair rite?This way..competitions more colorful,more tight..
U're not expecting to LCW to win every time in every tournaments rite:eek:?..:rolleyes:..then things will be boring if the winner of every tournaments is the same.Like we know who'll win before it happends,n we r lazy to watch that.:o

[robin7]

真为中国的羽毛球担忧。
需要借用队友弃权，裁判等因素来赢得比赛。
就不能真枪真刀和别人比吗？？
这样赢来的比赛真能为国家带来光荣还是耻辱，李永波你这个白痴，用脑想一想。
不过估计你也没脑。

赵婷婷前两天不是还弃权了混双吗？怎么今天又生龙活虎的？？

from http://comment2.news.sohu.com/viewcomments.action?id=253461005

Anyone mind to translate this paragraph??

Translation
We are worried about Chinese badminton.
We resorted to free walk over, bad umpiring to win.
Can't we fight fair and square?
These victories brought more shames than glories to the country, idiot LYB you think about it.
Zhao Tingting gave walk-over a few days ago in XD, but now playing in WD final fit and well.
The chinese version is more expressive. Enjoy reading...

[xymaerts]

Follow the link to see what LCW says... Perhaps u can understand Manderin
http://s.sohu.com/20071125/n253461549.shtml

[X Ball]

BAO was a 'flyer' today because :

1. BAO had a lot of rest (very fresh) whereas LCW had to play 3 strenuous
sets
2. LCW had bad line calls against him -- replay your video back to see
3. An Umpire bad net call -- LCW was so disturbed by that he looked at the
judge when he executed another one of those taps -- he has never done
that before -- it clearly showed he was affected to be bringing that up

If you think that was not strong enough to upset LCW today, then there is nothing that would convince you anyway.

We will not take anything from BAO but we have a grudge against LYB and the officials.

[Misty100]

Why BAO won????(Why LEE CW lost????)

1.BAO Chunlai played really well today(also yesterday).

2.LEE Chong Wei is not fully recovered from his injury.

3.There were 2-3 incorrect calls from line judge during the game.

4.LEE Chong Wei is not mentally strong.

I think this thread is stupid and very redundant. Why don't you start a thread with "Why XXF, world No.1 lost??? (Why WMC win???)

[s1nn3r]

not suitable!!!
not suitable!!!
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not suitable!!!
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not suitable!!!
not suitable!!!
not suitable!!!

[jack200603]

I can think of two reason either LCW got distracted or he got bribed? Lot of ppl in msia are betting LCW to win so the bookie bribe LCW to lose!

Agree. Gamblers are always out of mind. A real badminton fan should be rational rather than emotional or speculating.

Nobody will win forever. One day there will be younger generation to beat the oldies. Blaming other elements is nothing to do with winning it back.

[chgoh25]

this thread is totally a waste of space? people will continue fighting.
every player will have their own sundays.

[s1nn3r]

this thread is totally a waste of space? people will continue fighting.
every player will have their own sundays.
I think putting an opinion here is always waste of space bcoz it aint gonna change a thing!

[pjswift]

BCL played very well because LCW resigned from competing further in the match, mindwise.

[alfa-2]

BCL played very well because LCW resigned from competing further in the match, mindwise.

you're spot on.;)

[jimbo]

BCL played very well because LCW resigned from competing further in the match, mindwise.

Well said... u should use the word "refrained" to replace "resigned". :)

[USAfan]

BAO was a 'flyer' today because :

1. BAO had a lot of rest (very fresh) whereas LCW had to play 3 strenuous
sets
2. LCW had bad line calls against him -- replay your video back to see
3. An Umpire bad net call -- LCW was so disturbed by that he looked at the
judge when he executed another one of those taps -- he has never done
that before -- it clearly showed he was affected to be bringing that up

If you think that was not strong enough to upset LCW today, then there is nothing that would convince you anyway.

We will not take anything from BAO but we have a grudge against LYB and the officials.

You forgot to add that your boy was acting rebellious and his game plan crumble. Sad, he couldn"t overcome

[Louisa]

haiya, don't have to say more, what done is done...this will be never ending story...as far as we know what is happening, that's enuff...instead of wasting time here to fight...why don't go sign the petition...

so, Kwun, close this, please!

[alfa-2]

i think the petition will be of no use............just 2 hundred ppl have done it. BWF won't even consider reading them.

[Louisa]

i think the petition will be of no use............just 2 hundred ppl have done it. BWF won't even consider reading them.
that is y we need more people to sign...sikit-sikit, lama-lama jadi bukit (gather bit by bit, and the number will become huge, 积少成多)

we want a cleaner n fairer game!

[eaglehelang]

You forgot to add that your boy was acting rebellious and his game plan crumble. Sad, he couldn"t overcome

1) If you think that's rebellious, it's nothing compared to what Taufik or Lin Dan would have done. And both are top players. Taufik would have just carried his bag and walked off the court. Lin Dan would have argued, ranted then Li Yong Bo would have joined suit.

2) If you think that's rebellious, Park, the Korean MS player, after a bad line call/fault, kicked the shuttle (I think) in the Semis against Bao.

3) If you think that's rebellious, the top Korean MD, Lee/Jung, walked out at the end of 3rd set, just to make a statement about the unfair line judging.

4) If you think that's rebellious, Sudket and Saralee in XD Semis was also arguing with umpire for some time, demonstrating that his actions was not a fault. Even the GD Sports commentator said in a low tone that only if arms over the net(playback showed his arms were far from net), then only its a fault.

It effected his play after that, he dared not play near the net. Thankfully, they were at match point when the fault happened.


Hmmm, any others that I missed from earlier rounds ??

[jimbo]

1) If you think that's rebellious, it's nothing compared to what Taufik or Lin Dan would have done. And both are top players. Taufik would have just carried his bag and walked off the court. Lin Dan would have argued, ranted then Li Yong Bo would have joined suit.

2) If you think that's rebellious, Park, the Korean MS player, after a bad line call/fault, kicked the shuttle (I think) in the Semis against Bao.

3) If you think that's rebellious, the top Korean MD, Lee/Jung, walked out at the end of 3rd set, just to make a statement about the unfair line judging.

4) If you think that's rebellious, Sudket and Saralee in XD Semis was also arguing with umpire for some time, demonstrating that his actions was not a fault. Even the GD Sports commentator said in a low tone that only if arms over the net(playback showed his arms were far from net), then only its a fault.

It effected his play after that, he dared not play near the net. Thankfully, they were at match point when the fault happened.


Hmmm, any others that I missed from earlier rounds ??

Aiya... If u cant beat them, join them ;)

[kcc678]

Firstly congratulations to BCL despite myself being a Malaysian fan. I feel that BCL played really well in the sense that he really wanted to win. In the previous tournaments BCL always seems to lack the desire but today and yesterday he was really pumped up. I guess it would have been a closer game if the line calls were better. I am really disappointed with standard of refereeing and the line calls were dubious. I guess that really had an effect on LCW. LCW was just unable to concentrate after a string of bad line calls which explains the score line. But again we should discount BCL's performance today as he played really well today.

After today's game I am very worried about Olympics in 2008. This is not the first time that dubious line calls appeared in a tournament in China. Do you guys remember Thomas Cup in 2002 (held in Guangzhou) during the semi-finals when Malaysia beat China 3-1??? The tournament was filled with so much venom because the line judges were clearly favoring their own country I even remembered that there was a call that was so bad that th shuttle was at least 2-3 inches out but was called in. The television replays really made the Chinese officials look like bad losers.

[alfa-2]

Aiya... If u cant beat them, join them ;)

what do u mean?? converting the nationality?? :D:D:D

[eastma]

Why BAO won????(Why LEE CW lost????)

1.BAO Chunlai played really well today(also yesterday).

2.LEE Chong Wei is not fully recovered from his injury.

3.There were 2-3 incorrect calls from line judge during the game.

4.LEE Chong Wei is not mentally strong.


#2- he looks fine to me
#3- sure! cw is such a calm player... so if he complaints, there's got to be something wrong....
#4- he has strong mental but he a bit lost focus today... just a bit...

[Louisa]

Aiya... If u cant beat them, join them ;)
hahahahaha, good one.;)

[jimbo]

what do u mean?? converting the nationality?? :D:D:D

sorry, i just meant we should DO the SAME during Msia Open :eek: (just kidding)

[alfa-2]

sorry, i just meant we should DO the SAME during Msia Open :eek: (just kidding)

yeah we both should volunteer ourselves to be the umpire.............:D:D:D

[extremenanopowe]

Well said. Just cool it and give credit to the winner. After all everyone is badminton fan and wants to see the favourite player wins. You'll have your chances.:D In this series in terms of mens singles, very much dominated by china and malaysia so far. Perhaps other country can buck up a bit and give some resistance to spread out the wins.:D


hehe...dont get angry over it man.Memang org lain tak boleh menang?:D
Today,BCL won.Tommorow,LCW win.Next week,LD win.Next month,TH win.Next year,PG win.Fair rite?This way..competitions more colorful,more tight..
U're not expecting to LCW to win every time in every tournaments rite:eek:?..:rolleyes:..then things will be boring if the winner of every tournaments is the same.Like we know who'll win before it happends,n we r lazy to watch that.:o

[jimbo]

yeah we both should volunteer ourselves to be the umpire.............:D:D:D

If I were the umpire, I would refuse their request to get ball boy to mop the slippery floor. Instead, I'll wet the floor :eek::p (Kidding only)

[bic33]

first of all, i'm a taufik and ld fan...
after watching the game, i thought that BCL was somehow closing in to the level of LCW, TH and LD...

anyhow, i feel for LCW and BCL... there are 5 questionable calls... 3 of which i think were wrong.... (please, i hope i don't offend anybody) these calls, in my opinion, stole some of the glory that was obviously deserved by BCL...

in this game, BAO was incredibly good at flat drive exchanges and his defense was just so good this time... I also have never seen him this aggressive in his games, using his height so well to earn points... he's like emulating LD, punishing you with a sharp smash...

[bic33]

i would also like to commend LCW for the exceptional sportsmanship that he has shown today... i thought he wasn't gonna shake BCL's hand after the game... but there he was, LHisAO...

[littlemonkey]

things already happen..
what to do..
cant wait hong kong super series..
hope LCW can win in this tournament!
aja aja fighting!:):):)

[chris-ccc]

Why BAO won????(Why LEE CW lost????)

1.BAO Chunlai played really well today (also yesterday).

2.LEE Chong Wei is not fully recovered from his injury.

3.There were 2-3 incorrect calls from line judge during the game.

4.LEE Chong Wei is not mentally strong.




To answer your questions...

1.BAO Chunlai played really well today (also yesterday).
...Yes, definitely. BCL played well today.

2.LEE Chong Wei is not fully recovered from his injury.
...Only LCW can tell us that.

3.There were 2-3 incorrect calls from line judge during the game.
...Yes, and definitely. The incorrect calls have prevented BCL from claiming himself as the winner of the match.

4.LEE Chong Wei is not mentally strong.
...No, and definitely too. For LCW to continue playing, even though he knew incorrect calls were made against him, shows that he is mentally stronger.

***

[bic33]

To answer your questions...

4.LEE Chong Wei is not mentally strong.
...No, and definitely too. For LCW to continue playing, even though he knew incorrect calls were made against him, shows that he is mentally stronger.

***

i very much agree... if it was our taufik, he would have been non-hesitant on walking off the court and forfeiting the match...:p

[vching]

i think the petition will be of no use............just 2 hundred ppl have done it. BWF won't even consider reading them.
its gathered about 300 signatures in less than 2 days.... quite an achievement i think...

[george@chongwei]

all i can say is lee chong wei mentally not strong...he were distracted by the bad line call that cause him lost the match...he shud focus throughout the game but 1 more thing is the umpire...the umpire is a china people n the person who play against lcw is also a china player...?? so y does BWF agree that this tournament if gt china player involed in that match gt china umpire 1??
the net shot by lcw, i dont see any faults on there??
if u look back the video, some BCL shot at the net, his racquet gt touched little bit the net u know???
juz look back the match!!!

[rexymania]

allllllllll because of the line judgement.......................chong wei is mentally strong.......

[rexymania]

all i can say is lee chong wei mentally not strong...he were distracted by the bad line call that cause him lost the match...he shud focus throughout the game but 1 more thing is the umpire...the umpire is a china people n the person who play against lcw is also a china player...?? so y does BWF agree that this tournament if gt china player involed in that match gt china umpire 1??
the net shot by lcw, i dont see any faults on there??
if u look back the video, some BCL shot at the net, his racquet gt touched little bit the net u know???
juz look back the match!!!
the revenge will be in the semifinal hong kong open..........wait for chong wei revenge..............:D:D:D:D

[Grandmaster]

wat u all wanna say lar???it's so obvious that LEE CHONG WEI is a better player than BAO CHUN LAI, no matter in World Ranking, Super Series Ranking and also in terms of performance and head-to-head meetings...

No matter how good a player u are, the crowd or surrounding environment do play a big role in deciding the game...it's normal to see the crowd cheering for BCL to win over LCW, he cant complaint bout that...But wat so stupid was, everything including the JUDGE and line's judges are from CHINA itself...
This is consider a 5 stars event and biased judge's decision corrupted the game...U dun expect the Finals to be judged this way..it's understandable if the earlier rounds abit lousy in terms of judging, but this is FINALS, man... China shuldnt supply such lousy umpire to judge finals, where i dun see any fault on LCW's net play...That should have be a point for him..And also few line calls...OUT go say IN...Replays clearly shows that it was out, and LCW's complaint was not bothered by the umpire...

Have to say that bad judgement really affected LCW's game..He started quite well in the beginning..Once the line call was misjudged, everything went wrong for him..We cant say that his mentally wasnt strong enough cause you are playing in Finals, it's very obvious that no one can be as calm as usual...

Conclusion, LCW deserve a better judgement...BCL wins was nothing to be proud of...LCW will bounce back in HK Open....

MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!!!!!!!

[rexymania]

wat u all wanna say lar???it's so obvious that LEE CHONG WEI is a better player than BAO CHUN LAI, no matter in World Ranking, Super Series Ranking and also in terms of performance and head-to-head meetings...

No matter how good a player u are, the crowd or surrounding environment do play a big role in deciding the game...it's normal to see the crowd cheering for BCL to win over LCW, he cant complaint bout that...But wat so stupid was, everything including the JUDGE and line's judges are from CHINA itself...
This is consider a 5 stars event and biased judge's decision corrupted the game...U dun expect the Finals to be judged this way..it's understandable if the earlier rounds abit lousy in terms of judging, but this is FINALS, man... China shuldnt supply such lousy umpire to judge finals, where i dun see any fault on LCW's net play...That should have be a point for him..And also few line calls...OUT go say IN...Replays clearly shows that it was out, and LCW's complaint was not bothered by the umpire...

Have to say that bad judgement really affected LCW's game..He started quite well in the beginning..Once the line call was misjudged, everything went wrong for him..We cant say that his mentally wasnt strong enough cause you are playing in Finals, it's very obvious that no one can be as calm as usual...

Conclusion, LCW deserve a better judgement...BCL wins was nothing to be proud of...LCW will bounce back in HK Open....

MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!!!!!!!
BCL NO BALLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[MaLaYsIa Boleh!]

actually from wat i observe..
so far, even there is bad line calls..
chong wei can still win the match afta all,he never did like today..
maybe chunlai style of cheering himself make chong wei feel angry..
chunlai alr change to a more aggresive playing style,his height help him a lot..
he really play one of his best badminton in this tournament..
for chong wei..
his favourite rally seem doesn't work for him but juz make him more frustrated..
he feel stress when those high quality smash get return by bao..
beside tat, he can't take control of the court..
misjudgement and no accuracy bring him to the defeats.
ofcourse he can blame for the line calls but many of us will knw the true ans..
hope tat he won't use it as a reason of lose..

[roger_beckham]

BCL should not be so happy when he won the game. Anyway, LCW should ignore the bad line calls and continue concentrate on playing to prove that he is the best and wont affect by the poor and "rich" umpire after the games.....

[myzkito]

I think BCL and LCW are both winners and as such both deserve our praises and admiration. It's just a game and there will only be one winner and one almost winner. Let's just say congratulations to all the winners and to those who almost made it - congratulations also because if not for them there will be no champions. Another day at another time in another place on another tournament things might be different. GOOD LUCK and keep up the good fight!!!

[chity hour]

the revenge will be in the semifinal hong kong open..........wait for chong wei revenge..............:D:D:D:D

so many player want revenge in HKG Open
LD, PSH, CY/FHF, KKK/TBH
(feel scare already)
:o:rolleyes::cool:;)

[s1nn3r]

1) If you think that's rebellious, it's nothing compared to what Taufik or Lin Dan would have done. And both are top players. Taufik would have just carried his bag and walked off the court. Lin Dan would have argued, ranted then Li Yong Bo would have joined suit.

2) If you think that's rebellious, Park, the Korean MS player, after a bad line call/fault, kicked the shuttle (I think) in the Semis against Bao.

3) If you think that's rebellious, the top Korean MD, Lee/Jung, walked out at the end of 3rd set, just to make a statement about the unfair line judging.

4) If you think that's rebellious, Sudket and Saralee in XD Semis was also arguing with umpire for some time, demonstrating that his actions was not a fault. Even the GD Sports commentator said in a low tone that only if arms over the net(playback showed his arms were far from net), then only its a fault.

It effected his play after that, he dared not play near the net. Thankfully, they were at match point when the fault happened.


Hmmm, any others that I missed from earlier rounds ??
so it wasnt one incident that trigger the ANGER of the world badminton and the shame of China badminton. This is a chain boom... someone have to stop it before it kill BADMINTON!

[chris-ccc]

4.LEE Chong Wei is not mentally strong.
...No, and definitely too. For LCW to continue playing, even though he knew incorrect calls were made against him, shows that he is mentally stronger.







all i can say is lee chong wei mentally not strong...he were distracted by the bad line call that cause him lost the match...he shud focus throughout the game...

juz look back the match!!!




In competition, there is such a legal art or practice of using tactical maneuvers to further one's aims or better one's position. It is called GAMESMANSHIP.

One of the common gamesmanship practices is to demoralise an opponent. Again, this is LEGAL... when it is just to affect the opponent(s)' mind.

If there were only a couple of bad calls against LCW, he would not have been demoralised by them. He would have just considered them as bad judgement by lines persons.

But after 3 or more bad calls were made against him, and obvious/intentional incorrect calls were made, LCW knew that GAMESMANSHIP has been played against him.

He was demoralised, but he continued fighting and not giving up.

This is why I said LCW is now stronger... by still trying to fight back, and not giving up.

It's like LCW was not just fighting against BCL, but the officials and the whole world.

But don't forget my answer to Question 1. Yes, definitely. BCL played well today... otherwise LCW could still beat BCL.

And yes, if LCW would have walked out of the match, then I would have said he has given up the fight.

***

[s1nn3r]

In competition, there is such a legal art or practice of using tactical maneuvers to further one's aims or better one's position. It is called GAMESMANSHIP.

One of the common gamesmanship practices is to demoralise an opponent. Again, this is LEGAL... when it is just to affect the opponent(s)' mind.

If there were only a couple of bad calls against LCW, he would not have been demoralised by them. He would have just considered them as bad judgement by lines persons.

But after 3 or more bad calls were made against him, and obvious/intentional incorrect calls were made, LCW knew that GAMESMANSHIP has been played against him.

He was demoralised, but he continued fighting and not giving up.

This is why I said LCW is now stronger... by still trying to fight back, and not giving up.

It's like LCW was not just fighting against BCL, but the officials and the whole world.

But don't forget my answer to Question 1. Yes, definitely. BCL played well today... otherwise LCW could still beat BCL.

And yes, if LCW would have walked out of the match, then I would have said he has given up the fight.

***
I guess LCW must have a very good temper… I once got a few bad call from an empire, I keep hitting hard the shuttle cock to his place and get suspended. Kekeke

[Temasek Green]

Bao played well for sure. LCW lost was not because he is not fully recovered from his injury. Well i have no comments about the calls but i know that China is doing their best to make this tournament fair. In a way Yes , LCW was distracted, but not mentally strong. He just lost to a better player.

Obviously that we can see LCW concentration and calm was affected after incorrect calls from line judge.
And the replay on the shuttle landed only shown from the plan view and was not a close-up view.
But there's a close-up view for non controversial point when the the shuttle landed (conspiracy?) and this is not happen in soccer where every controversial incident will be shown in various angle and close-up.

Just afraid that the Beijing OG 2008 might only expose this kind of handicap instead of a sportsmanship.

In term of sportsmanship, what China wish to be label as?

[bananakid]

This thread makes my day... keep on entertaining me!!! Thank you!!!

[rexymania]

so many player want revenge in HKG Open
LD, PSH, CY/FHF, KKK/TBH
(feel scare already)
:o:rolleyes::cool:;)

also me.........want to revenge with lee yong bo..........stupid couch in the world...:mad:

[anakin]

Obviously that we can see LCW concentration and calm was affected after incorrect calls from line judge.
And the replay on the shuttle landed only shown from the plan view and was not a close-up view.
But there's a close-up view for non controversial point when the the shuttle landed (conspiracy?) and this is not happen in soccer where every controversial incident will be shown in various angle and close-up.

Just afraid that the Beijing OG 2008 might only expose this kind of handicap instead of a sportsmanship.

In term of sportsmanship, what China wish to be label as?
Sounds scary .... why there is such coincidental?

[george@chongwei]

This thread makes my day... keep on entertaining me!!! Thank you!!!
the more they argue, the more u enjoy:D:D:p

[pjswift]

also me.........want to revenge with lee yong bo..........stupid couch in the world...:mad:
yeah, sit on him when you see him.May not be comfortable ,though.

[anakin]

yeah, sit on him when you see him.May not be comfortable ,though.
yeah.... that's what the couch is for.... :D:D:D

[littlemonkey]

things already happen..
what to do..
cant wait hong kong super series..
hope LCW can win in this tournament!
aja aja fighting!:):):)

[Smichz]

BCL NO BALLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

No balls?Do u have the balls to play with him???How much can u get?:D:D:D:D..

[littlemonkey]

lee chong wei should win..not bao chunlai!!!!!!!!!!!

[schuweiz]

I agree with Ants,

After watching the video, LCW is a little rattled by the call of the line judgment and also the umpire who has fault him over the net. HOWEVER, BCL played one notch better than the last time we saw him in FO'07. Yes, i do sympathizes LCW for the misfortune. It would be an interesting game if it were to be played on a fair ground but I do believe China is to correct this defect ASAP because it can seriously damage the name of our beloved sport. If we factor out line calls, umpire and emotions, I can say that BCL played slightly better and slightly different today as his light overhead shot crosscourt from the backhand location has caused LCW quite some points. I do believe LCW can bounce back to his pace in HKO'07. Cheers everyone ;)!


Bao played well for sure. LCW lost was not because he is not fully recovered from his injury. Well i have no comments about the calls but i know that China is doing their best to make this tournament fair. In a way Yes , LCW was distracted, but not mentally strong. He just lost to a better player.

[Inky2000]

Found this ... in Chinese ... (don't know how true it is but I don't think a Chinese would make up something like this)

http://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/Announce/Announce.asp?BoardID=4000&ID=2820028

Essentially, the author claimed that he was one of the line judges for the tournament ... but he didn't mention whether he was assigned to judge any one of the final matches.

His account,

* After LD lost, everything changed. Media complained that "we didn't act like the host country because our line judges made bad calls which were NOT in favor of LD." (there was one such case during the match!)

* Somebody "up there" wanted the local judges to make calls in favor of CHN since then. Fortunately, those judges were from Guangzhou who didn't comply and instead maintained their integrity.

* So, something ridiculous happened on the final day ... National-level judges were "inserted" in all the Chinese vs. non-Chinese matches - and they were actually empire-turned-line-judges! Well, XD (no CHN pair) and WD (CHN vs. CHN) were exceptions - 100% Guangzhou judges.

* (The author was probably staying at the media center to watch the final matches.) After XXF lost, the CHN team and CHN Badminton Assoc officials gathered ... and ... we all witnessed what happened during MS final.
- At game 1 when BCL 11:10 LCW, first bad call of a VERY OBVIOUS "out" (even those standing at the stadium gate could tell it was an "out"!)
- At game 2 when BCL 4:8 LCW, a net shot was ruled fault
- When BCL 15:10 LCW, BCL's cross-court shot dropped at 10cm away from the line, still ruled "in!"
At that point of time, the author heard a Guangzhou commentator criticize the line judge for obviously biasing.

* Moreover, the author overheard an instruction made to the TV crew before the final matches that "all the bad calls that are in favor to CHN must be edited out and not to be shown on TV." (i.e., no repeat ... well, I think the last bad call was repeated on TV and it was obviously "out!")

* "Sports become political mission. On one hand, CHN players will become more arrogant (they should just compete in tournaments held in China); on the other hand, foreign players won't bother to come to China anymore. (well, they have no choice when it comes to OG)"

* "Please don't blame the judges from Guangzhou. They refused to comply to 'someone up there' and therefore were not assigned to judge the final matches. Even those national-level judges must be forced to do so. Blame 'someone up there', please."

[Smichz]

Remember malaysians!!Badminton isnt a sport that is created for just for u!
It's created for everyone to enjoy!Everyone can be lose or win in this game.Any country n any players can win.

R u guys thinking that only malaysian players deserved to win every tournaments n u cant take any lose?That u have to trash talk about the opponents n not giving any credit at all?n start to blame everything that might have caused the lost?Come on man..how childish is that?

When LD lost to Park n claim that the umpiring made some mistakes..the umpires were also chinese..N what happend to the chinese supporters after that?Did they trash talking Park?No..they didn't.In fact,they still admit that Park played well that day.So,why can't u?

Remember,if it was the chinese team doing the dirty things..why BCL?why not LD,or CJ?..Chinese team always favour LD to win,not BCL.N remember,these umpiring problems r not only occurs on the BCL/LCW match.It happends on some other games as well..happends to P.gade,LD,Thai team,Indo team,etc.

So,if these r the umpires mistakes,it has nothing to do with CHINA team

I believe that LCW were strong enough to continue the game after some misjudgements..but they supporters aren't..which i feel bad for.

[AlfredEarn]

Remember malaysians!!Badminton isnt a sport that is created for just for u!
It's created for everyone to enjoy!Everyone can be lose or win in this game.Any country n any players can win.

R u guys thinking that only malaysian players deserved to win every tournaments n u cant take any lose?That u have to trash talk about the opponents n not giving any credit at all?n start to blame everything that might have caused the lost?Come on man..how childish is that?

When LD lost to Park n claim that the umpiring made some mistakes..the umpires were also chinese..N what happend to the chinese supporters after that?Did they trash talking Park?No..they didn't.In fact,they still admit that Park played well that day.So,why can't u?

Remember,if it was the chinese team doing the dirty things..why BCL?why not LD,or CJ?..Chinese team always favour LD to win,not BCL.N remember,these umpiring problems r not only occurs on the BCL/LCW match.It happends on some other games as well..happends to P.gade,LD,Thai team,Indo team,etc.

So,if these r the umpires mistakes,it has nothing to do with CHINA team

I believe that LCW were strong enough to continue the game after some misjudgements..but they supporters aren't..which i feel bad for.



Lin Dan and LCW is different
Lin Dan lose fairly
he just play not so well

but LCW, get unfaIR treathen
no foul/out, also say yes
not only once, but few times....
this make LCW not really feel happy and cant concentration like normal
if im LCW, i would have throw racquet on line judgement and the "refree"
and quit it

[littlemonkey]

Lin Dan and LCW is different
Lin Dan lose fairly
he just play not so well

but LCW, get unfaIR treathen
no foul/out, also say yes
not only once, but few times....
this make LCW not really feel happy and cant concentration like normal
if im LCW, i would have throw racquet on line judgement and the "refree"
and quit it

i agree with AlfredEarn..lin dan and lee chong wei are totally diferent..lee chong wei work so hard to win but the umpire and the linesmen are not fair..

[vching]

Remember malaysians!!Badminton isnt a sport that is created for just for u!
It's created for everyone to enjoy!Everyone can be lose or win in this game.Any country n any players can win.

R u guys thinking that only malaysian players deserved to win every tournaments n u cant take any lose?That u have to trash talk about the opponents n not giving any credit at all?n start to blame everything that might have caused the lost?Come on man..how childish is that?

When LD lost to Park n claim that the umpiring made some mistakes..the umpires were also chinese..N what happend to the chinese supporters after that?Did they trash talking Park?No..they didn't.In fact,they still admit that Park played well that day.So,why can't u?

Remember,if it was the chinese team doing the dirty things..why BCL?why not LD,or CJ?..Chinese team always favour LD to win,not BCL.N remember,these umpiring problems r not only occurs on the BCL/LCW match.It happends on some other games as well..happends to P.gade,LD,Thai team,Indo team,etc.

So,if these r the umpires mistakes,it has nothing to do with CHINA team

I believe that LCW were strong enough to continue the game after some misjudgements..but they supporters aren't..which i feel bad for.



I think that applies to you. The sport dosen't belong to you. China dosen't own badminton. Li Yongbo dosen't own badminton. Badminton is for everyone. So stop ruining it.

We believe that every player deserves to win if they work hard enough. We, however, do not believe that a player deserves to win through cheatwork and disgraceful acts from that filthy scumbag Li Yongbo. I wish him the worse of luck. Shame

Erm.... They congratulated Park because he won even though the linejudges were all Chinese? You don't make sense. We are saying that today's match was unfair. If Park can win even when the linesmen are against him, dosen't he deserve to be congratulated?

Why Bao? Because Bao was the one in this instance. Bao most likely knew about such biased umpiring. Yet he didn't say anything. That makes him the target. If the person was Lin Dan, then we would have criticised Lin Dan. Its that simple.

Lee was certainly strong enough, and gentlemenly enough to continue his game. But then Li Yongbo wasn't prepared to play fair.

The world is a better place without Li Yongbo.

[khwong]

It's a disgrace to the badminton scene that China has to resort to this act to win. Why can't they compete fairly? Congrats BCL your are the best!:D

[Smichz]

lee chong wei should win..not bao chunlai!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok ok man..i know ur feeling..but u can't change the result k?Just accept that ok?I'm didn't wish BCL to win,in fact,i wish LCW would win the game.But,so what?Every game got their own loser n winner..One's more luckier,better that the other one that day.The matter is can u accept the fact?


Everyone got their own wish.I wish that Liem Swie King,Peter gade,Rudy hartono,Hoyer larson,Zhao Jian Hua never got old n still playing until today,so that they can entertain us.I wish that TH backhand smash can reach upto 400km/h.I wish Cai yun's smashes r as hard as FHF's.I wish Candra n Sigit can get back together again.I wish to see another Ricky/rexy's match...:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

But,can it change the current fact?No...but i do hope that it could happend.:)

[chris-ccc]

Hi Inky2000,

If what you have posted is true...

then today 25-Nov-2007 is a SAD day for all Badminton players, fans and spectators.

***

[Smichz]

I think that applies to you. The sport dosen't belong to you. China dosen't own badminton. Li Yongbo dosen't own badminton. Badminton is for everyone. So stop ruining it.

We believe that every player deserves to win if they work hard enough. We, however, do not believe that a player deserves to win through cheatwork and disgraceful acts from that filthy scumbag Li Yongbo. I wish him the worse of luck. Shame

Erm.... They congratulated Park because he won even though the linejudges were all Chinese? You don't make sense. We are saying that today's match was unfair. If Park can win even when the linesmen are against him, dosen't he deserve to be congratulated?

Why Bao? Because Bao was the one in this instance. Bao most likely knew about such biased umpiring. Yet he didn't say anything. That makes him the target. If the person was Lin Dan, then we would have criticised Lin Dan. Its that simple.

Lee was certainly strong enough, and gentlemenly enough to continue his game. But then Li Yongbo wasn't prepared to play fair.

The world is a better place without Li Yongbo.

FYI,i'm an indonesian..so..u better talk to the Chinese nationalily one.I'm just an audience.It's my point of view..that's all.

[ants]

I think its a sad day for China even though they dont notice it. Cant you see LCW was smiling at the end? He know he played his best.

[robin7]

难怪陶菲克不来，你以为人家是有伤有事不来？是因为不屑！难道来被你们侮辱？人家够分参加奥运了，大不了多 打几场，实力在，不怕任何人当对手！碰上谁谁倒霉！这才是真正高手的样子！

The article also mentioned that Taufik didn't participate this tournament could be related to this issue.

I almost cried when reading the article. I felt so sorry for LCW.

[eaglehelang]

WOW, this guy must either be very,very brave or knows some high officials. Making such a public statement.

[eaglehelang]

I think its a sad day for China even though they dont notice it. Cant you see LCW was smiling at the end? He know he played his best.

Btw, Ants, if you're sending congrats to WMC, tell her how proud everyone is of her fighting spirit. Hopefully her knee injury not aggravated by this tourney.

[robin7]

China have made it BAD-minton and SAD-minton. One of the Chinese fans described this as pathethic, disgraceful and shameful (可悲　可惜　可叹啊!).

[bic33]

Don't always blame LYB... I believe someone higher than him (more authority) fixed this up... LYB is only a coach, he can't appoint line judges or order them to do so... someone higher than LYB is behind this...

[pjswift]

first of all, i'm a taufik and ld fan...
after watching the game, i thought that BCL was somehow closing in to the level of LCW, TH and LD...

anyhow, i feel for LCW and BCL... there are 5 questionable calls... 3 of which i think were wrong.... (please, i hope i don't offend anybody) these calls, in my opinion, stole some of the glory that was obviously deserved by BCL...

in this game, BAO was incredibly good at flat drive exchanges and his defense was just so good this time... I also have never seen him this aggressive in his games, using his height so well to earn points... he's like emulating LD, punishing you with a sharp smash...
At the start of the match,LCW was looking fresh and already sharpening his weapons (and I thought,wow,'it's gonna be a great match') until the first bad call.that's still ok to him. Until the second bad call and then it's not ok to him...I'm wondering.....if LCW had the freedom to play in his usual calm and focussed manner, would BCL have been able play as well as today..would BCL be able to defend that well if LCW's attack had been his usual standard?
Would you say that,playing at the highest badminton level,when LCW's focus is off by 1%, his game will be off by 5-10% and BCL's game would be able to 'break through' the LCW barrier and wreak havoc like today?
Actually, on reflection again, I am rather amazed that LCW could still continue to put on such impressive badminton display, using only half his mind.He's gotta be the real badminton king.
What do you think?

[Smichz]

Erm.... They congratulated Park because he won even though the linejudges were all Chinese? You don't make sense. We are saying that today's match was unfair. If Park can win even when the linesmen are against him, dosen't he deserve to be congratulated?

Why Bao? Because Bao was the one in this instance. Bao most likely knew about such biased umpiring. Yet he didn't say anything. That makes him the target. If the person was Lin Dan, then we would have criticised Lin Dan. Its that simple. Didnt u watched the match?LD lost the match n he said the umpires r not fair enough?The umpires r chinese..n what happend after that?Did chinese ppl say that Park is so lucky to win the game?No..they think that Park is truly playing quite well that day.
So..actually,linesman r not against Park.No,they're on Park's side!
How could that be possible?If china's playing dirty n makes the umpires go against LD?

N for the second one,It's u guys whose preparing some trashtalking against them..no matter which chinese won.Just can't accept a fact of a malaysian no 1 lose..Remember,the same thing happend to the China's no 1 MS.It's just that the reactions of both supporters r different.

[george@chongwei]

the author overheard an instruction made to the TV crew before the final matches that "all the bad calls that are in favor to CHN must be edited out and not to be shown on TV." (i.e., no repeat ... well, I think the last bad call was repeated on TV and it was obviously "out!")

i saw the match n all the bad calls that are in favour to china they din show the replay...that means they had made preparation...

[ants]

Btw, Ants, if you're sending congrats to WMC, tell her how proud everyone is of her fighting spirit. Hopefully her knee injury not aggravated by this tourney.

I will. Btw she already had a theraphy session later today and will still continue thruout until HKO. Dont worry, she is well taken care of.

[ants]

the author overheard an instruction made to the TV crew before the final matches that "all the bad calls that are in favor to CHN must be edited out and not to be shown on TV." (i.e., no repeat ... well, I think the last bad call was repeated on TV and it was obviously "out!")

i saw the match n all the bad calls that are in favour to china they din show the replay...that means they had made preparation...

Its pretty obvious.

[ants]

All of us did infact accept that LCW lost to a better player which is BaoChunLai. Even if there is NO bad call LCW would still lose by looking the way he played and how Bao played.But also many knows that no matter what the outcome is.. someone is trying to do some hanky panky, and there is not suppose to be in the first place.

[bic33]

At the start of the match,LCW was looking fresh and already sharpening his weapons (and I thought,wow,'it's gonna be a great match') until the first bad call.that's still ok to him. Until the second bad call and then it's not ok to him...I'm wondering.....if LCW had the freedom to play in his usual calm and focussed manner, would BCL have been able play as well as today..would BCL be able to defend that well if LCW's attack had been his usual standard?
Would you say that,playing at the highest badminton level,when LCW's focus is off by 1%, his game will be off by 5-10% and BCL's game would be able to 'break through' the LCW barrier and wreak havoc like today?
Actually, on reflection again, I am rather amazed that LCW could still continue to put on such impressive badminton display, using only half his mind.He's gotta be the real badminton king.
What do you think?

assuming the fair conditions, it's really hard for me to judge who would win...bao played well... lcw was distracted... i don't even know if lcw is in top condition when he played bao (like when he played taufik in japan open)... even so, if the situation is the best form of bao against the best of chong wei, i would say i would give LCW 65-35 edge... he is just the quickest and most agile player today...

[vching]

Didnt u watched the match?LD lost the match n he said the umpires r not fair enough?The umpires r chinese..n what happend after that?Did chinese ppl say that Park is so lucky to win the game?No..they think that Park is truly playing quite well that day.
So..actually,linesman r not against Park.No,they're on Park's side!
How could that be possible?If china's playing dirty n makes the umpires go against LD?

N for the second one,It's u guys whose preparing some trashtalking against them..no matter which chinese won.Just can't accept a fact of a malaysian no 1 lose..Remember,the same thing happend to the China's no 1 MS.It's just that the reactions of both supporters r different.

OK, you are saying that the Chinese linesmen were favoring Park? How on earth did you know that? Did you watch the match? Park played better than Lin Dan.

Secondly, the umpire and linesmen for the two matches were different. That disgusting Li could have bribed one set of them for the finals match.

When Lin Dan lost, no one made any noise because he lost properly. Park simply outplayed him. When Lee lost, it was CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY biased. THIS is why there is an outrage. I am sure Chinese fans would have been THAT outraged if such cheating scumbag tactics were employed against them.

[eaglehelang]

Remember malaysians!!Badminton isnt a sport that is created for just for u!
It's created for everyone to enjoy!Everyone can be lose or win in this game.Any country n any players can win.

R u guys thinking that only malaysian players deserved to win every tournaments n u cant take any lose?That u have to trash talk about the opponents n not giving any credit at all?n start to blame everything that might have caused the lost?Come on man..how childish is that?

When LD lost to Park n claim that the umpiring made some mistakes..the umpires were also chinese..N what happend to the chinese supporters after that?Did they trash talking Park?No..they didn't.In fact,they still admit that Park played well that day.So,why can't u?

Remember,if it was the chinese team doing the dirty things..why BCL?why not LD,or CJ?..Chinese team always favour LD to win,not BCL.N remember,these umpiring problems r not only occurs on the BCL/LCW match.It happends on some other games as well..happends to P.gade,LD,Thai team,Indo team,etc.

So,if these r the umpires mistakes,it has nothing to do with CHINA team

I believe that LCW were strong enough to continue the game after some misjudgements..but they supporters aren't..which i feel bad for.



1) If you read thru the countless threads, you will find that Malaysians critize Malaysian players who lose badly. The Msian players are bashed, not the opponents. Means we dont think Malaysia should win every match.
Just this tournament alone, see the thread "KKK/TBH lose again?" a lot of criticism on KKK/TBH but not Fu/Cai who lost in the 1st rd.


2) Again, if you have gone thru the threads, you would find those Malaysians who give credit to Bao. And same goes for all the matches that went fairly, we give credit to well-deserved opponents. When LCW lost to Bao in Semis in Denmark, Bao played better on the day, a deserving winner.

Majority Msian fans are angry with the umpire and line judges, not Bao


3) If it was Taufik Hidayat under the same situation, he would have walked off and Indonesian fans in this forum would be mad at the line judges too.

Even the South Korea MD coach was angry, they walked out of the match. So, imagine how angry the Korean fans are but they have their own Korean site for that.

4) Go read the info ixory found on what Guangzhou line judge said. Smells very fishy.

[Inky2000]

More stories ... in Chinese ... (again, not sure how true it is)

http://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/Announce/Announce.asp?BoardID=4000&ID=2816515

After LD told the media, "The judges made me feel that I'm not competing on my home soil."

(Huh??? LD took for granted that judges SHOULD bias to the players of their own countries????? Now I start to look down Super Dan.)
(That reminded me of a sarcastic term originated from Taiwan decades ago: "patriotic judges")

After that ...

(1) WMC's coach (Tat Ming loh!) told the line judge, "Please, I beg you, practice fair play!"

(2) LYD "received" 5 "service faults" while CHN player's obvious faulty service wasn't get caught. CHN audience sarcastically said, "Let's award the service judge an 'Outstanding Judge Award."

(3) Okay, the judges didn't only bias major players but also second-tier ones. That caused JPN WD's Chinese coach scolded the judges during a match.

[clearng]

Shame on You CHINA
You make all the chinese in the world feel so shame

dissapointed

[pjswift]

When LD lost to Park n claim that the umpiring made some mistakes..the umpires were also chinese..N what happend to the chinese supporters after that?Did they trash talking Park?No..they didn't.In fact,they still admit that Park played well that day.So,why can't u?

Remember,if it was the chinese team doing the dirty things..why BCL?why not LD,or CJ?..Chinese team always favour LD to win,not BCL.N remember,these umpiring problems r not only occurs on the BCL/LCW match.It happends on some other games as well..happends to P.gade,LD,Thai team,Indo team,etc.

So,if these r the umpires mistakes,it has nothing to do with CHINA team

I believe that LCW were strong enough to continue the game after some misjudgements..but they supporters aren't..which i feel bad for.


LD's case is different.CHN did not expect PSH to trouble LD because LD thrashed PSH in 2 sets in DO / FO? recently so no pre-instructions were necessary. LD is seen as having a comfortable edge over PSH, so why worry? (That's why LD was woeful he lost partly because he was not extended 'home ground privilege.')
BCL has a poor record against LCW and LCW thrashed him in FO even when nursing an injury. LCW is seen as having an edge over BCL so BCL needs 'assists' to win.So a complex system of umpire and linesmen was pre-instructed to 'deactivate' LCW at the ripe time.The MS title is a must win for CHN otherwise they will be left holding only the pretty but not prestigious WD title in their home turf. CHN or LYB will be the laughing stock.
I wonder what would happen to LYB if they had not won the MS title through intricate means?

[eaglehelang]

Didnt u watched the match?LD lost the match n he said the umpires r not fair enough?The umpires r chinese..n what happend after that?Did chinese ppl say that Park is so lucky to win the game?No..they think that Park is truly playing quite well that day.
So..actually,linesman r not against Park.No,they're on Park's side!
How could that be possible?If china's playing dirty n makes the umpires go against LD?

N for the second one,It's u guys whose preparing some trashtalking against them..no matter which chinese won.Just can't accept a fact of a malaysian no 1 lose..Remember,the same thing happend to the China's no 1 MS.It's just that the reactions of both supporters r different.

Again, that was round 1. Simple fact : Lin Dan lost fair and square. Bao didnt (2 line calls were obviously wrong after watching replay).

Things were different, as you know, with the progression of the tournament. If you watched all the matches in Semi and Finals, you would know.
If not, why so many disputes from the different countries ? The conterversial QF MD wasnt shown online or on tv, anyway, kwun filled us on what happened and it's in China's media.


The rest, I already stated in previous reply

[eaglehelang]

I wonder what would happen to LYB if they had not won the MS title through intricate means?

that means : 1) They did not expect Guo/Xie to win MD, rightly so, cos Kido/Setiawan are World no 3 and WC 07 champs.

2) They thought XXF would win WS. Women's dept has been China's dominance.

Interesting that even with all the "help", they only manage to win 2 titles. Imagine if all the matches were fair and square. China could taken only 1 title,
I salute the Thai XD pair for beating Guo Ling/Zheng - I think there were some bad line calls then too but the thais keep mentally strong.

[Cheung]

Combined two relevant threads together.

You guys are making me work too hard. Cut it out.:mad:

[Shiryu]

If the allegations are true, it's very sad indeed. However, there is hope yet; At least someone is willing to stand up and blow the whistles.

Now we will see how strong the will of the HK people is when under the pressure of big mother China next week.

[s1nn3r]

Badminton has become like circus!! or more like WWE

LD the Hulk Hogen, LCW the ROCK!!!

All fixed before being played... CHINA u really killing badminton with those Patrioctic walk over, and Partiotic Judge...

I can imagine XXF pulling WMC hair during matches and linesman being kick in the balls for making false call without fouling the players...

Sure! They earn more like WWE than Badminton...

[alfa-2]

I believe that LCW were strong enough to continue the game after some misjudgements..but they supporters aren't..which i feel bad for.



will u talk like this if LCW thrash LD in the final of Super Series Final through the same kind of umpiring and bad line calls??? Do you think LD's fan would admit that LCW has won then??:D:D:D

I DON'T THINK SO........

[s1nn3r]

will u talk like this if LCW thrash LD in the final of Super Series Final through the same kind of umpiring and bad line calls??? Do you think LD's fan would admit that LCW has won then??:D:D:D

I DON'T THINK SO........
he is just being PATRIOTIC just like those line JUDGE patriotic but ruining his country image..

[Smichz]

OK, you are saying that the Chinese linesmen were favoring Park? How on earth did you know that? Did you watch the match? Park played better than Lin Dan.

Since they go against LD..:).LD loses some points because of the bad calls.So,if ur opponent lose point because of a bad call,weren't u the one who benefited from it?Got it?

[AlfredEarn]

Again, that was round 1. Simple fact : Lin Dan lost fair and square. Bao didnt (2 line calls were obviously wrong after watching replay).

Things were different, as you know, with the progression of the tournament. If you watched all the matches in Semi and Finals, you would know.
If not, why so many disputes from the different countries ? The conterversial QF MD wasnt shown online or on tv, anyway, kwun filled us on what happened and it's in China's media.


The rest, I already stated in previous reply

Yes. Totally agree
and even WMC quarter final game
opponent of WMC out, we all can watch in slow motion camera
it totally out, but the line judgement say in
and LCW match same too
man, the LineJudgement and "refree" should not chinese or from china
it very unfair...........that make LCW not so feel happy and play not so well man

[Phydhel]

At the start of the match,LCW was looking fresh and already sharpening his weapons (and I thought,wow,'it's gonna be a great match') until the first bad call.that's still ok to him. Until the second bad call and then it's not ok to him...I'm wondering.....if LCW had the freedom to play in his usual calm and focussed manner, would BCL have been able play as well as today..would BCL be able to defend that well if LCW's attack had been his usual standard?
Would you say that,playing at the highest badminton level,when LCW's focus is off by 1%, his game will be off by 5-10% and BCL's game would be able to 'break through' the LCW barrier and wreak havoc like today?
Actually, on reflection again, I am rather amazed that LCW could still continue to put on such impressive badminton display, using only half his mind.He's gotta be the real badminton king.
What do you think?

I quite agree with you, because the inner spirit or "semangat" is very important. BCL seemed superior because he was playing a player who already feels there is no point in this match, the fire wasn't in CW's eyes. Players seem to look good when they can play their game, usually CW's returns wouldn't allow such easy smashes by BCL. If you noticed, eventhough recently CW has been playing rally-style, he succeeds because his returns are high and to the baseline, opponents wouldn't opt to smash such returns, as it would work against them. But today, it is somewhat different. I once learned, everyone has their tactics and skills in which they can execute easily and perfectly against players inferior to them. But when playing against stronger players, the options narrow down, suddenly we don't have the opportunity to use our skills because the opponent plays in such a way that we return from difficult angles. Which is why in international tournaments, when both players are good, not very often does any side have much of a chance to execute such easy half court hardass smashes which gives the impression that one player is trashing the other. CW, or any other player on par wouldnt have gave points so easily if not for the conditions of today's match. If anyone thinks that CW is mentally weak, you should imagine the if this were to happen to you, what would you do? would you fare any better if you were CW? Players seem to look (really) good when they get to play their game, have the luxury of using all their skills against a weaker player(and in this case a disgusted CW). The bottom line is, personally i feel that this match may be officially lost, but deep inside we know (and i'm sure CW and Misbun too knows) that it doesn't matter, as long as CW didn't lose because he is inconsistent, because he is lousy, but because of factors beyond his control. If i was BCL, i wouldn't be too proud of this victory. No offence to BCL though.

Just my point of view.

[alfa-2]

Didnt u watched the match?LD lost the match n he said the umpires r not fair enough?The umpires r chinese..n what happend after that?Did chinese ppl say that Park is so lucky to win the game?No..they think that Park is truly playing quite well that day.
So..actually,linesman r not against Park.No,they're on Park's side!
How could that be possible?If china's playing dirty n makes the umpires go against LD?

N for the second one,It's u guys whose preparing some trashtalking against them..no matter which chinese won.Just can't accept a fact of a malaysian no 1 lose..Remember,the same thing happend to the China's no 1 MS.It's just that the reactions of both supporters r different.

it was only 2 close line calls which is questionable, LD said this in his interview. "questionable" which could go both ways...........

LCW's match of bad line calls were clearly going against him.........and did anyone tell you that CCTV5 doesn't even bother to replay those close up shots when there were such bad calls being made?? when the shots were clearly in, they showed the shots zooming in 1000%.

5 bad calls including the umpire fault which totaled up to 10 points of difference. If the score under normal situation was 15-15, now it's 20-10. how could a player not affected by these???

Pls tell me Smichz..............cos im seriously dumbfounded by your posts.:cool::cool::cool:

[alfa-2]

the author overheard an instruction made to the TV crew before the final matches that "all the bad calls that are in favor to CHN must be edited out and not to be shown on TV." (i.e., no repeat ... well, I think the last bad call was repeated on TV and it was obviously "out!")

i saw the match n all the bad calls that are in favour to china they din show the replay...that means they had made preparation...

can anyone not see what's happening here???...............only those who were blind. none ever complains anything when LCW lost to BCL in DO cos it was done fairly.

BCL employed gamesmanship to further challenged LCW's disturbed mind by shouting excessively after winning each point. Even LCW can't stand the gamesmanship of BCL and stared at him in front of the net for 2 continuous points. Then BCL stopped doing it afterwards..............

[Smichz]

1)

Majority Msian fans are angry with the umpire and line judges, not Bao

Yes..very true.But none of u also giving credits for BCL who played really well today?..just blaming the loss on the umpires n judges.I know things might change if the umpires acted fair today..but shouldn't u guys also said that BCL won also because that he played well..not just because umpires stands against LCW?

How do u feel after u win a game,ppl say that it is because the judge was making too much errors n let u win?Wouldn't u feel offensed?Can u at least give a credit for him?Not just saying that he's not supposed to win,LCW should..

I know that LCW stands more chance n more records for beating BCL.But,it's not impossible that BCL could win from LCW.For example:TH n LD.LD wins more in their meets,at the opens..but in fact,TH can win in the bigger match,such as Olympic,Asian game,World championship.

I'm not a chinese nationality,nor malaysians.I'm neutral..but let's see from every aspects,k?

N not only malaysia..all of other countries were also having a difficult time with the umpires.Korea,Indonesia,Denmark,Thai..
So,let's keep this down,k?If there is any fault found..it'll should be taken seriously by IBF.N before that,we,as supporters of any team..as badminton lovers..just keep our emotions for a while,k?

Fighting in this forum wont change the dirty play,if exist.It'll only bring fights between some groups n another group,which is useless.
We're not looking for some enemies to fight over something in here..we're looking for some friends who got the same interest..which is badminton.So,let's keep it that way.

[alfa-2]

林丹:一言激起千层浪,中国裁判被迫取代世界杯著名韩国黑哨!

林丹: "裁判让我我感觉我好象不是在主场打球......!!

在林丹面对媒体个人感觉耻辱的发言后,今天中公赛裁判被迫发生了变化......因此现场出现了大家不可想 象而又在电视画面上看到的场面!

一、女单比赛黄秒珠的教练对司线讲：求求你啦，能不能公平竞争啊？（教练是华人）

二、李龙大对谢中博男双比赛中，主裁判了韩国5个发球违例，中国选手反拍扑球式的发球裁判竟然不判？韩国弃 赛......观众议论：如果有本次比赛优秀裁判，肯定颁给这个发球裁判！

三、话说裁判帮主力就好了，竟然帮中国非主力女双帮到出位，日本美女组合的教练（中国人）用国语指着裁判的 鼻子大骂！

大家看来似乎是裁判的问题，但作为裁判的朋友透露是上面给的压力，裁判都很讨厌林丹，很多广州懂球的裁判也 是这样。朋友还说：现在我们裁判两面不是人，国内的说我们做的不好，国外的球员也说我们黑.. ....

以上均为现场客观的事实，无需修饰

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[Smichz]

Y

How do u feel after u win a game,ppl say that it is because the judge was making too much errors n let u win?or when they say,u shouldn't have win.He should.

Wouldn't u feel offensed?Can u at least give a credit for him?Not just saying that he's not supposed to win,LCW should..



Now,i'm not BCL fans.In fact,i prefer LCW to win this game.But,how if this person was u,alfa-2?

[avidshuttler]

I hope everyone's comments here has caught the BWF's attention.

One thing I m very sure, this episode has definitely make bton glamorous for all the wrong reasons!

I think, the BWF should safeguard the integrity of the game and should rate the organizing capablities of each member countries. Perhaps also to consider banning future bton competitions from being organized by countries with poor track records until they are competent to do so.

[alfa-2]

BCL still could have won gracefully if he didn't employ gamesmanship. He even points his finger to the line (signaling the umpire the shot was in, a true fighter would have just stayed quiet) of the 1st bad line calls when it was clearly out !!!

He even shouted excessively after winning each point to further aggravate LCW's troubled mind (to a point that LCW can't stand it anymore and stared at BCL in front of the net for few seconds).

it was all so clear that BCL doesn't have the spirit to be a true champion when he started to employ gamesmanship............not like LD, not like TH, not like PG, not like LCW who would have been really embarrassed to win under such condition.

[pjswift]

Badminton has become like circus!! or more like WWE

LD the Hulk Hogen, LCW the ROCK!!!

All fixed before being played... CHINA u really killing badminton with those Patrioctic walk over, and Partiotic Judge...

I can imagine XXF pulling WMC hair during matches and linesman being kick in the balls for making false call without fouling the players...

Sure! They earn more like WWE than Badminton...
I'm not an XXF fan but let me say this: If there's one CHN player who cannot be polluted by LYB, it is XXF. XXf wins fair and square, that's why she does not win that consistently.She's never been into gamesmanship like other CHN players (and I'm sure LYB would have encouraged her to try it)

[Inky2000]

Yes..very true.But none of u also giving credits for BCL who played really well today?..just blaming the loss on the umpires n judges.I know things might change if the umpires acted fair today..but shouldn't u guys also said that BCL won also because that he played well..not just because umpires stands against LCW?

How do u feel after u win a game,ppl say that it is because the judge was making too much errors n let u win?Wouldn't u feel offensed?Can u at least give a credit for him?Not just saying that he's not supposed to win,LCW should..

I know that LCW stands more chance n more records for beating BCL.But,it's not impossible that BCL could win from LCW.For example:TH n LD.LD wins more in their meets,at the opens..but in fact,TH can win in the bigger match,such as Olympic,Asian game,World championship.

I'm not a chinese nationality,nor malaysians.I'm neutral..but let's see from every aspects,k?

N not only malaysia..all of other countries were also having a difficult time with the umpires.Korea,Indonesia,Denmark,Thai..
So,let's keep this down,k?If there is any fault found..it'll should be taken seriously by IBF.N before that,we,as supporters of any team..as badminton lovers..just keep our emotions for a while,k?

Fighting in this forum wont change the dirty play,if exist.It'll only bring fights between some groups n another group,which is useless.
We're not looking for some enemies to fight over something in here..we're looking for some friends who got the same interest..which is badminton.So,let's keep it that way.

The point we are trying to make is that even if BCL deserved the win, LCW didn't deserve the loss. The only way CHN could have shut our mouths up is to ensure fair play. If LCW wasn't disturbed by the bad calls, BCL wouldn't necessarily win or even if he did win, he wouldn't have won by that margin.

Are we really fighting with another group? If you can read Chinese and have visited some Chinese badminton-themed forums and Chinese news reports (I've translated some of them and posted on this forum), you will realize that most of the Chinese spectators and journalists echo our view! Even they are ashamed for winning the MS title in this way. Their TV commentators didn't to make explicit accusations but their forum posters just wrote their mind like us. With all these distractions, a Chinese news article argued that the final score couldn't reflect the real strength of LCW.

[alfa-2]

Now,i'm not BCL fans.In fact,i prefer LCW to win this game.But,how if this person was u,alfa-2?

if it was me???

If I was LCW, i'll just smack the shuttlecock on the umpire's face and retired.

If I was BCL, I would have NOT used GAMESMANSHIP to further deteriorate the situation, then I could have still won this match gracefully despite all those bad line calls were being made. The fact is that BCL doesn't have the champion mentality in him. Refer my post #111 for BCL's none sporting acts........

[alfa-2]

the author overheard an instruction made to the TV crew before the final matches that "all the bad calls that are in favor to CHN must be edited out and not to be shown on TV." (i.e., no repeat ... well, I think the last bad call was repeated on TV and it was obviously "out!")

i saw the match n all the bad calls that are in favour to china they din show the replay...that means they had made preparation...

BAD BAD BAD....................:mad::mad::mad:

[Misty100]

I honestly question the integrity why LI DEQUAN started this thread?

What does he has in mind?

Surely and truly, he did it on purpose, to aggravate and trigger this on-going argument.

Bloody instigator.

As long your countryman had won, just shut it... what's the point of this thread? To further incurring the warth and anger of all Malaysians?

[alfa-2]

下面引用由yanhoumm发表的内容：

说实话，虽然这样做有违良心，但是这样做也无可厚非，想想我们在外面受韩国裁判的欺负。还有，日本队教练说 这句是实话，但是他作为日本队教练是中国人来说，就让我们觉得有那么一点点的不舒服。

你这样的想法很危险！
中国队已经很强大了，还需要黑裁吗？？？那中国人自己玩好了！
球迷需要的是真实的比赛！

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i love the reply where he said since CHN is so strong in badminton already, why are they employing those superb line calls & umpiring??

If things are to continue like these, CHN might have to play badminton alone in the future. There you have it, no other nation to rob u of your precious titles anymore.

[alfa-2]

http://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/images/bf/face0.gif发表: 2007-11-23 22:49:15http://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/images/null.gifhttp://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/images/re.gif (http://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/Announce/Announce2.asp?BoardID=4000&ID=2816586&submitflag=first&repost=1)http://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/images/null.gifhttp://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/images/message.GIF (http://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/User/SendMessage.asp?SdM_ToUser=%E7%96%AF%E7%8B%82%E7%B E%BD%E8%80%85)第9楼
呵呵，太好了，继续黑，黑到明年奥运会没有人来比赛，中国队一下子拿够150枚金牌就好了，反正中国人民现 在富了，有的是钱奖励奥运金牌选手

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translation: hahaha, it's too good to be true already (being sarcastic)............pls continue all these bad judging, continue until there won't be anyone here to participate Olympic Games next year. Then, CHN can grab all those 150 gold medals...........since CHN is so rich nowadays, we can use our own money to reward them. :D:D:D

I'm really suprised that CHN badminton fans have much more sportmanship than all the officials from CHN.

[chibe_K]

WBF should RECALL this tournament !

What a shame on WBF to let bad line judging get out of control. I hope China Open is just a bad apple...another defective MIC product.

[OneToughBirdie]

if it was me???

If I was LCW, i'll just smack the shuttlecock on the umpire's face and retired.

If I was BCL, I would have NOT used GAMESMANSHIP to further deteriorate the situation, then I could have still won this match gracefully despite all those bad line calls were being made. The fact is that BCL doesn't have the champion mentality in him. Refer my post #111 for BCL's none sporting acts........
Your post "i'll just smack the shuttlecock on the umpire's face" brings memory as I recall as incident playing in our church (yes in a church) when my partner actually swear and slam the bird into the net when the opponent (yes it is a church elder) kept calling good hots out...I am sure you do not want to know what I would do...I would not tell you but I will tell Cooler later this week:p

[alfa-2]

This info i got it from the forum chinabadminton.com, i heard that it was the top that ordered the officials and judges to favour CHN in line calls, service faults etc.

Now the CHN officials, umpires and linesmen hate LD very much. LD told the press that the linesmen didn't favour him and cos him to lose the match. All the bad line calls started after this, cos the CHN boss wasn't happy with all the CHN officials there by not helping their countrymen.

Even the umpires and linesmen wanna act fair and square, they were NOT allowed to do so. They even rigged CCTV5 not to show the slow and zoom in replay of those bad line calls.

Now I'm all pitying the umpire and linesmen. They must have gone to the toilet and cried after the match for not being able to be a fair judge.

Boss: Either u get sacked or u do your job !!!! and get it done properly !!!

[Whipper]

hi all,

I went through all games at Tianhe Sports Center. I could feel it at the scene that LCW had obviously become the most popular star after LD's wash-out.

We did give our thanks to LCW for his amazing performance (especially in semifinal when he outplayed Chenjin by 2-1) and what he's athletically done after losing the final game. Lee looked disturbed by the judgements, including 2 clear incorrect calls, but I think it's his off-day condition and BCL's perfect play that prevented he from dominating the 2007 China Open.

btw, congrats to WMC, her dogged persistence was wonderfully rewarded.

one more impression on me was made by a MD player from taiwan, I know little about him except the name Leeshengmu. he stopped at semifinal but proved himself an excellent player.

[ants]

For sure those who officiated LD's match will have a hard time next year.

[OneToughBirdie]

1) If you think that's rebellious, it's nothing compared to what Taufik or Lin Dan would have done. And both are top players. Taufik would have just carried his bag and walked off the court. Lin Dan would have argued, ranted then Li Yong Bo would have joined suit.

2) If you think that's rebellious, Park, the Korean MS player, after a bad line call/fault, kicked the shuttle (I think) in the Semis against Bao.

3) If you think that's rebellious, the top Korean MD, Lee/Jung, walked out at the end of 3rd set, just to make a statement about the unfair line judging.

4) If you think that's rebellious, Sudket and Saralee in XD Semis was also arguing with umpire for some time, demonstrating that his actions was not a fault. Even the GD Sports commentator said in a low tone that only if arms over the net(playback showed his arms were far from net), then only its a fault.

It effected his play after that, he dared not play near the net. Thankfully, they were at match point when the fault happened.


Hmmm, any others that I missed from earlier rounds ??
Good summary, well said.

[chibe_K]

This info i got it from the forum chinabadminton.com, i heard that it was the top that ordered the officials and judges to favour CHN in line calls, service faults etc.

Now the CHN officials, umpires and linesmen hate LD very much. LD told the press that the linesmen didn't favour him and cos him to lose the match. All the bad line calls started after this, cos the CHN boss wasn't happy with all the CHN officials there by not helping their countrymen.

Even the umpires and linesmen wanna act fair and square, they were NOT allowed to do so. They even rigged CCTV5 not to show the slow and zoom in replay of those bad line calls.

Now I'm all pitying the umpire and linesmen. They must have gone to the toilet and cried after the match for not being able to be a fair judge.

Boss: Either u get sacked or u do your job !!!! and get it done properly !!!

I hope what you found out is true. Otherwise the burden is on WBF, which in my mind is still a fair and respectful organization. This brings up another question, how many orders from the top will there be in Beijing Olympic !

[chibe_K]

I hope everyone's comments here has caught the BWF's attention.

One thing I m very sure, this episode has definitely make bton glamorous for all the wrong reasons!

I think, the BWF should safeguard the integrity of the game and should rate the organizing capablities of each member countries. Perhaps also to consider banning future bton competitions from being organized by countries with poor track records until they are competent to do so.

Catching WBF's attention is one thing, will they do something about it is another thing.

[alfa-2]

one of the Chinese fan posted, "China won just "ONE" extra title throughout whole China domination in world badminton, but HAD DISGRACED China sportsmanship............"

The poster closed up the post with an old chinese proverb, "To get a sesame, but throw away a big water melon"

[chibe_K]

Badminton has become like circus!! or more like WWE

LD the Hulk Hogen, LCW the ROCK!!!

All fixed before being played... CHINA u really killing badminton with those Patrioctic walk over, and Partiotic Judge...

I can imagine XXF pulling WMC hair during matches and linesman being kick in the balls for making false call without fouling the players...

Sure! They earn more like WWE than Badminton...

And there was't as many bad calls in WS event is because the so called "top" did not expect WMC to beat XXF. Its a miscalculation.

[chibe_K]

For sure those who officiated LD's match will have a hard time next year.

Maybe not. Those officials who took part in this event have passed the test and proven their loyalty. Next year, they will be on for Beijing Olympic !!

[speedy]

From what I see LCW couldn't play well because he is emotionally disturbed.

I'm surprised to see quite obvious bad line calls against LCW.

The umpiring when WMC played was almost perfect : no bad calls.

Did anybody mention that one line judge was replaced during the semifinal of Park against BCL due to an obvious bad line call.

And the umpire calling a fault on Sudset for raising his racket is really stupid IMO. As if he doesn't know the rules of badminton. Actually he was angry at Sudket before that because Sudket made some protest.

I hope BWF would look seriously in this matter.

Finally, I regret that I have to say what I have to say in the above

[ye333]

Well, don't be too harsh on BCL. He was a in dilemma. He has to act as if the line judge is not helping him, otherwise his fighting spirit will fade and he may lose. The reason why he can't afford to lose is exactly he has received so many help, from CH, from umpire, etc. It is shameful if he lost. Remember how he was bashed as "useless" when he lost to PG after CH gave him a WO?

Maybe he can tell LCW after the match, sorry Chongwei, I have to do that to save myself from disgrace... And LCW would say, I totally understand...:D

Of course you have a good point here... If it was ZJH playing LCW, I am not sure but maybe he would intentionally hit the shuttlecock out to give LCW back the point? :cool:


BCL still could have won gracefully if he didn't employ gamesmanship. He even points his finger to the line (signaling the umpire the shot was in, a true fighter would have just stayed quiet) of the 1st bad line calls when it was clearly out !!!

He even shouted excessively after winning each point to further aggravate LCW's troubled mind (to a point that LCW can't stand it anymore and stared at BCL in front of the net for few seconds).

it was all so clear that BCL doesn't have the spirit to be a true champion when he started to employ gamesmanship............not like LD, not like TH, not like PG, not like LCW who would have been really embarrassed to win under such condition.

[alfa-2]

And there was't as many bad calls in WS event is because the so called "top" did not expect WMC to beat XXF. Its a miscalculation.

yup, miscalculation. Those who did the calculation will face some serious consequences now..............:D:D:D

accountant: no problem, can win one........
boss: you sure can win??

accountant: no need to pay extra to the umpire and linesmen. expensive u know boss........
boss: nevermind just deduct from your salary to pay them........

accountant: very sure can win la boss........
boss: alright, your *** is mine if XXF didn't grab the title.

5 seconds after the match....................
accountant: better hide now.
boss: oi, accountant !!! get your *** here.:D:D:D

[alfa-2]

Of course you have a good point here... If it was ZJH playing LCW, I am not sure but maybe he would intentionally hit the shuttlecock out to give LCW back the point? :cool:

too bad even ZJH won't be dare enuf to do that under the supervision of LYB just behind the court.

I've seen enough of LYB's arrogance during his play in the 90s. Can't deny he is a good player, but a very KIASU player with a very bad on court attitude/temper.

For those who doesnt believe what i've said here, watch the 1990 AE Final between PJB and LYB. I pitied Tian Bing Yi who was so patient enough to withstand LYB's hot tempered behaviour on court.

[alfa-2]

Well, don't be too harsh on BCL. He was a in dilemma. He has to act as if the line judge is not helping him, otherwise his fighting spirit will fade and he may lose. The reason why he can't afford to lose is exactly he has received so many help, from CH, from umpire, etc. It is shameful if he lost. Remember how he was bashed as "useless" when he lost to PG after CH gave him a WO?

Maybe he can tell LCW after the match, sorry Chongwei, I have to do that to save myself from disgrace... And LCW would say, I totally understand...:D

Of course you have a good point here... If it was ZJH playing LCW, I am not sure but maybe he would intentionally hit the shuttlecock out to give LCW back the point? :cool:

BCL was a victim after all, at some point i guess.............:o:o:o

[kungfukid]

i have sent an email to China Press(中国报）, hoping they can help to publish this issue and urge ppl to sign for the petition that vching created.

Hope u guys do the same.

[alfa-2]

i have sent an email to China Press(中国报）, hoping they can help to publish this issue and urge ppl to sign for the petition that vching created.

Hope u guys do the same.

that's very nice of you...........;)

[Whipper]

the clearest incorrect call came when BCL was really on fire and 14-10 leading over LCW in the deciding set. I was hoping that Bao, to make a perfect win, would tell the umpire it is OUT. he did not, and finally got one of all flawed wins that most players would prefer to losing it.

I'm a Chinese fan, when sitting there I was expecting a great competition rather than any result. anyway, if the damed officials have ruined it for a result they want, please don't blame BCL, he was merely doing what a player does and writting over his match record with LCW, which is now +4/-8.

[cooler]

what do u mean?? converting the nationality?? :D:D:D


Aiya... If u cant beat them, join them ;)


hahahahaha, good one.;)

krisna plan to marry some of them;):p

[Whipper]

btw, I wonder why BWF wouldn't like to induct instant replay systems like Hawk-eye in tennis, and make it final judgement when there is dispute?

[Konnichiwa]

hmm LCW lost in two convincing sets by bao.....he looked tired....could it have been lost fair and square to a player who consistently does well? nahh couldnt be :rolleyes: ...anyway what if the line judges were just really shitty at making line calls....who knows but there is no need to get flabbergasted over it ....please folks...its all about the love for the game and excitement of watching you favorite players dont get outta control

[Smichz]

The result is out already n it's unchangeable.Prize money is in each of their own pockets already.BCL won.LCW lose.LD didn't get any.That's the result..i know it's hard to accept,but none of us really has the ability to change that,do we?

Linesman r sucks,i know.Umpires r all chinese..so they might stand on LYB's or CHINA's side,i know.They r chinese,n it's not good..because they dont understand any other language except english.Yeap..that's sucks.No matter what we say,they can't understand.I dont think any of them were really ready for the Olympic standard,n the WBF should pay extra caution about that.And,hopefully in the near future,there wont be only local umpires in any international championships,for example:all chinese umpires in china open,or all malaysians in malaysia open.This way,all can be clear n fair.


Now,keep ur heads down for a while.Calm down..take a deep breath...


Like i've posted quite a while ago regarding china national team,we all know that china national team,they're quite different from the others.They dont really know what is sportsmanship.All they know is to win the matches,no matter what it takes,no matter how black it is.Yes,i know that.Maybe it's some sort of LYB's passion,to win as much matches as possible,and cover the dark side of the process.Maybe LYB had a bad days back in the day,when he's still playing as a player..n thinking about getting a revenge.. i dont know..maybe lots of u r having the same thought as i do.

Well..i wrote this same thing a long time ago.I'm not proud of China's national team.I'm not proud of LYB's achievement as a coach,who brought china to this big..with some of his dirty deeds..doesn't care too much about sportsmanship.That's why i got bored..from the last 2 years,that china became the biggest winner in badminton world.Everytime they play,i wish them to lose.Let the winners be the others,as long as it's not china.
It's just so boring to see those faces everytime..n some their play doesnt even seems to be exciting either.

So..by this,i wanna say,WBF is not blind.WBF is also not a big fan of LYB,so i'm sure they'll take the neccesary punishment if they found out there's something wrong.But in the mean time,let us all be calm.No more fights between china n malaysia supporter,or one to another,since in the end,it'll be useless.There's even possibility that u'll end up fighting each other in the equipment room,or end up selling counterfeits to another in the "Buy & Sell"..just because u dont like each other.No,we dont want that.Hehe..so..let's keep it down n wait for the further news regarding WBF view about this.No matter what happends,there shouldn't be any fights happend within us,badminton lovers.

[Smichz]

hmm LCW lost in two convincing sets by bao.....he looked tired....could it have been lost fair and square to a player who consistently does well? nahh couldnt be :rolleyes: ...anyway what if the line judges were just really shitty at making line calls....who knows but there is no need to get flabbergasted over it ....please folks...its all about the love for the game and excitement of watching you favorite players dont get outta control

Yup..for the love of this game..keep ourselves under control,k?:)

[jamzari]

All said and done, I feel the umpiring was bad not only during LCW/BCL's game but throughout the tournament. LCW could never have be playing that bad (the scoreline says it) if he was not affected by bad line calls and faulted by the umpire himself over his net play. You could clearly see he was rattled that he even looked disgustingly at the umpire during the next net play, almost challenging him to call "fault" again.

BCL may have been playing well but remember he was more fresh after the forced walkover by Chen Hong. He had all the unfair advantages on his side which LCW was deprived of. All being equal, let's see if BCL could win again should they meet the next time.

Anyway, congratulations to BCL. After so many tournaments being just a runner-up, perhaps we should let him have the crown for once! He can sleep well now.

[Lobeh]

Could some kind soul please upload the MS,WS and MD onto youtube.
Thanks.

[Smichz]

Could some kind soul please upload the MS,WS and MD onto youtube.
Thanks.


http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49841
This way the quality of the video is better..

[TrueBlue]

just a pre-warning.

there is obviously some controversial element in this thread so watch and think before you post. if you make stupid unneccessary comments we will be very quick with corrective actions.



I only read the first two posts of this thread. So i don't know about the "controversal elements" in this thread. For me, this means i won't post anything about this game because i have no time to read all nine pages of the thread to find out about the controversial elements.

[TrueBlue]

I change my mind and make an ANNOUNCEMENT:
Olympic Games is over for Badminton after 2008 for sure by now.

[Konnichiwa]

I change my mind and make an ANNOUNCEMENT:
Olympic Games is over for Badminton after 2008 for sure by now.
how do u know? dont say things you dont know of

[eaglehelang]

Yes..very true.But none of u also giving credits for BCL who played really well today?..just blaming the loss on the umpires n judges.I know things might change if the umpires acted fair today..but shouldn't u guys also said that BCL won also because that he played well..not just because umpires stands against LCW?

How do u feel after u win a game,ppl say that it is because the judge was making too much errors n let u win?Wouldn't u feel offensed?Can u at least give a credit for him?Not just saying that he's not supposed to win,LCW should..

I know that LCW stands more chance n more records for beating BCL.But,it's not impossible that BCL could win from LCW.For example:TH n LD.LD wins more in their meets,at the opens..but in fact,TH can win in the bigger match,such as Olympic,Asian game,World championship.

I'm not a chinese nationality,nor malaysians.I'm neutral..but let's see from every aspects,k?

N not only malaysia..all of other countries were also having a difficult time with the umpires.Korea,Indonesia,Denmark,Thai..
So,let's keep this down,k?If there is any fault found..it'll should be taken seriously by IBF.N before that,we,as supporters of any team..as badminton lovers..just keep our emotions for a while,k?

Fighting in this forum wont change the dirty play,if exist.It'll only bring fights between some groups n another group,which is useless.
We're not looking for some enemies to fight over something in here..we're looking for some friends who got the same interest..which is badminton.So,let's keep it that way.

<Sigh> If you look at the other replies and countless threads, you will find that we do agree Bao played better, is fresher. If the match was done fair and sqaure, would have been a 3 setter.

AND, remember Bao defeated LCW in Denmark Open Semis, WC 2006, of course we know Bao can beat LCW. LCW was critised then, and also critised when Misbun said he was suffering from knee injury in DO. So....

AND, I'm sure you've realised by now, many of the forum members are teenagers, a lot of hot blooded young men, so....

[Inky2000]

And there was't as many bad calls in WS event is because the so called "top" did not expect WMC to beat XXF. Its a miscalculation.

So, if the WS final were held after the MS final, maybe "someone up there" would not interfere the MS match so much. After CHN lost the WS title, they were certainly panic.



> Originally Posted by ants
> For sure those who officiated LD's match will have a hard time next year.
Maybe not. Those officials who took part in this event have passed the test and proven their loyalty. Next year, they will be on for Beijing Olympic !!

See posting #68 of this thread on,
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50038&page=4

According to a line judge, the judges assigned to the LD vs PSH match was Guangzhou judges while many of the judges at those controversial final matches were national-level ones.

[sepang]

From what I see LCW couldn't play well because he is emotionally disturbed.

I'm surprised to see quite obvious bad line calls against LCW.



Totally agree. If it is a close call means the call can be either call out or in, that is difficult to argue; however, look at LCW's reaction, you can tell it is an OBVIOUSLY bad call that is against him. LCW definitely see the shuttle clearly infront of him and 100% sure it is out.

[sepang]

广州的司线员们基 本没有违背自己的专业操守，还是坚持按公平的原则进行判决。可是到今天决赛的时候，更匪夷所思的事情发生了 ：有中国球员参加的比赛，司线员中都插入了国家 级的裁判员（原来担任裁判员和发球裁判员），并且都是担任边线及端线的司线员，前发球线和中线的司线工作由 广州的司线员担任。而混双和女双比赛则全部由广 州的司线员负责（因为没有中国队或双方都是中国队）

http://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/Announce/Announce.asp?BoardID=4000&ID=2820028
So, they do it purposely?

[bpman]

90% of BCLs' 42 pts are winners.. not unforced errors by LCW n only 5% are controversial, I am also a fan of LCW but BCL is a clear winner. Umpires did not play the winning strokes.

[jimbo]

90% of BCLs' 42 pts are winners.. not unforced errors by LCW n only 5% are controversial, I am also a fan of LCW but BCL is a clear winner. Umpires did not play the winning strokes.

Did u watch the game "LIVE"? Did u watch the "close up" replay? :rolleyes:;) Did u read the CHN forum (sohu, etc...)??? ;)

[bpman]

There are good n bad sportmanship displayed even by supporting fans. Sports politics is very very bad in international events. This thread is not to dispute results of games or umpires' misjudgements but to give unbiased opinions of the events. If the the games ended 22/20 n 22/20 then that will definetly be a agenda for the IBF or WBF..poor umpiring ..not in this forum...

[huangkwokhau]

Same thing happened on China Masters where Kido/Hendra got 5 service faults as well as England pairs also....even all nations questioned how all umpires and service judges are from China for China masters and China Open( only 1 Korean umpire in this event ( CO) by the way).....They have addressed this issue which Super Series should have more International judges...but there is still no solution yet by BWF...the verbal reason that had been given that no judges wanted to travel to China (...hehe...)

[indra]

Same thing happened on China Masters where Kido/Hendra got 5 service faults as well as England pairs also....even all nations questioned how all umpires and service judges are from China for China masters and China Open( only 1 Korean umpire in this event ( CO) by the way).....They have addressed this issue which Super Series should have more International judges...but there is still no solution yet by BWF...the verbal reason that had been given that no judges wanted to travel to China (...hehe...)

5 service faults?????? It was a "failed sabotage"

[jimbo]

Same thing happened on China Masters where Kido/Hendra got 5 service faults as well as England pairs also....even all nations questioned how all umpires and service judges are from China for China masters and China Open( only 1 Korean umpire in this event ( CO) by the way).....They have addressed this issue which Super Series should have more International judges...but there is still no solution yet by BWF...the verbal reason that had been given that no judges wanted to travel to China (...hehe...)

FIVE service faults to the same pair in a game??? :eek: One word: WOW :cool: Need no say more... :rolleyes:

[huangkwokhau]

FIVE service faults to the same pair in a game??? :eek: One word: WOW :cool: Need no say more... :rolleyes:
Yep...I think Nathan and Gail got 4 also....thats why from beginning that Kido/Hendra had been warned by his coach to be careful when they serve..luckily they did not meet China until in the final.........final, Kido got 2, not bad ......we took pics while they were holding the cups..I will share that pic sometimes soon.......( also with badmania)

[bcmmgr]

Bao perform very well in Final game, he actually don't need any help from umpires n judges. Then he will win as real champion.

Now with all this negative news floating around, I don't know how Bao will take it ?

He actually need this WIN to recover his confident and prove that he can win in Final and not always runner-up. But now he may think that he didn't FULLY win in this match (even his is capable), he may even lost confident when play in Final outside China in future........

I don't think is good thing for Bao, but it maybe good thing for LCW, LCW certainly learn something from this and hopefully will be perpared for the unfair umpires n judges in China Olympic.

[jimbo]

Yep...I think Nathan and Gail got 4 also....thats why from beginning that Kido/Hendra had been warned by his coach to be careful when they serve..luckily they did not meet China until in the final.........final, Kido got 2, not bad ......we took pics while they were holding the cups..I will share that pic sometimes soon.......( also with badmania)

Out of curiousity (since u hv "deep connection" with those players and coaches), I'm sure they (NON-CHN players) jokes about those "biased calls by umpire/linesman/service judge). Did any of CHN players feel ashamed by those "incidents"? :eek::rolleyes:

[huangkwokhau]

Bao perform very well in Final game, he actually don't need any help from umpires n judges. Then he will win as real champion.

Now with all this negative news floating around, I don't know how Bao will take it ?

He actually need this WIN to recover his confident and prove that he can win in Final and not always runner-up. But now he may think that he didn't FULLY win in this match (even his is capable), he may even lost confident when play in Final outside China in future........

I don't think is good thing for Bao, but it maybe good thing for LCW, LCW certainly learn something from this and hopefully will be perpared for the unfair umpires n judges in China Olympic.
Bao actually did play really well....I have not seen him so aggresive..too bad that many questionable calls surround his winning over LCW....

I did agree that actually Bao really played well ....
Lets hope that tomorow is always better....

[huangkwokhau]

Out of curiousity (since u hv "deep connection" with those players and coaches), I'm sure they (NON-CHN players) jokes about those "biased calls by umpire/linesman/service judge). Did any of CHN players feel ashamed by those "incidents"? :eek::rolleyes:

Some had apologized to certain players...thats all I can say.....China players are really nice.....

[jimbo]

Bao perform very well in Final game, he actually don't need any help from umpires n judges. Then he will win as real champion.

Now with all this negative news floating around, I don't know how Bao will take it ?

He actually need this WIN to recover his confident and prove that he can win in Final and not always runner-up. But now he may think that he didn't FULLY win in this match (even his is capable), he may even lost confident when play in Final outside China in future........

I don't think is good thing for Bao, but it maybe good thing for LCW, LCW certainly learn something from this and hopefully will be perpared for the unfair umpires n judges in China Olympic.

Absolutely agree. In fact, no one should take the credit away from BCL. He is a world class player, no one can object it.

Source: The STAR
========
Frustrated Chong Wei falls to Chunlai

PETALING JAYA: National number one Lee Chong Wei failed to end a five-year drought for Malaysia in men's singles title at the China Open in Guangzhou yesterday.
He was beaten 13-21, 12-21 by China's Bao Chunlai in the final and the match was marred by disruptions on four occasions when Chong Wei questioned the line calls. He also got worked up when the umpire disallowed a clear tap at the net.
“I am not using these as excuses for my defeat today but I just feel that the line calls were indeed unfair,” said the world number two in a telephone interview from Guangzhou yesterday.

“But this is a good practice for me. I know what to expect when China host the Olympic Games in Beijing next year as far as line judging is concerned.”

Although Chong Wei's rhythm was affected by the questionable calls, credit should be given to the lanky Chunlai, who played well to nail his first Open title of the year after finishing as the bridesmaid in four tournaments.
=====================

[huangkwokhau]

I asked Bao when the last time he won...he said 4 yrs ago....he was very happy yesterday.....

[jimbo]

I asked Bao when the last time he won...he said 4 yrs ago....he was very happy yesterday.....

Did he "mind" to win in this "manner"? How did he feel by those "incidents"? Well, I think a win is a win, as far as the player is concerned :rolleyes:

[madbad]

WOW, this guy must either be very,very brave or knows some high officials. Making such a public statement.

He'll be seeking political asylum in the West soon :D:D

[zqloy]

90% of BCLs' 42 pts are winners.. not unforced errors by LCW n only 5% are controversial, I am also a fan of LCW but BCL is a clear winner. Umpires did not play the winning strokes.

But 5 questionable line calls is enough to cost a game. R u pure ignorant or what? They should hv let Bao win by his own ability instead of "helping" him :rolleyes:

[jimbo]

He'll be seeking political asylum in the West soon :D:D

Yes... Otherwise, he will be jailed like the journalist :rolleyes:

[jimbo]

But 5 questionable line calls is enough to cost a game. R u pure ignorant or what? They should hv let Bao win by his own ability instead of "helping" him :rolleyes:

In certain society or country, they are taught (in school) to believe in numbers aka statistics and everything is "according to the book". Ask them to bend or "short cut" the rules, they will tell u "I cant risk my rice bowl over pride and dignity." (just kidding... :p)

[X Ball]

Same thing happened on China Masters where Kido/Hendra got 5 service faults as well as England pairs also....even all nations questioned how all umpires and service judges are from China for China masters and China Open( only 1 Korean umpire in this event ( CO) by the way).....They have addressed this issue which Super Series should have more International judges...but there is still no solution yet by BWF...the verbal reason that had been given that no judges wanted to travel to China (...hehe...)

Hey I will be there if they invite me to be linesman and so will 10,000 BC'ers..:D

[X Ball]

also me.........want to revenge with lee yong bo..........stupid couch in the world...:mad:


Uneducated coach -- very little morals and sportmanship. Only wants to win at all cost putting the game into disrepute.

[thesoothsayer]

It's sad to see that China has to face all these allegations of cheating, regardless of whether or not it was official policy. I remember way back in the 80s and early 90s when the Chinese national team were the 2nd team for most overseas Chinese (probably even now) but all these news are eroding the pride in China. I hope they realise that the end does not justify the means all the time, especially in sports.

People all over the world appreciate players who win fair. I think that there's a lot of injustice in the world and sports is a form of escapism for many people who think that the cream will rise to the top in sports (ie. the best player will win). Unfortunately, cheating or even just allegations of cheating is enough to destroy the reputation of a country or player.

[huangkwokhau]

Did he "mind" to win in this "manner"? How did he feel by those "incidents"? Well, I think a win is a win, as far as the player is concerned :rolleyes:
No..no...it is not appropriate to ask those questions....

[jimbo]

Uneducated coach -- very little morals and sportmanship. Only wants to win at all cost putting the game into disrepute.

aiya... in any sports, it's result-driven. If u dun deliver, u will be shown the exit door within 24hrs. Just look at Mourihno and MacClaren. Need no say more :rolleyes:

[huangkwokhau]

Hey I will be there if they invite me to be linesman and so will 10,000 BC'ers..:D
I am sure you will.......I remembered that some BC members here to ask me to keep these facts to my self...I could not find the post...somewhere during Macau open....my theory is bogus, etc...anyway...I am looking forward to HK Open......

[tehsham]

Bao actually did play really well....I have not seen him so aggresive..too bad that many questionable calls surround his winning over LCW....

I did agree that actually Bao really played well ....
Lets hope that tomorow is always better....
Agreed before the dispute calls arised LCW seem to be kelam-kabut not like his usual confident self (maybe he had not get over the excitement of WMC victory...hahahaha)
well we have HK next so go for it LCW

[syusuke ika]

uhm ....bcl played very well ystrdy...his smash...hwa...so shraplorh....btw..what is his height yea??huhu ...m' hero?

[madbad]

I've gone through quite a few of the posts in this thread. Many echo the same sentiment, angry or otherwise. There still appears to be a whole lot of frustration but how much more can there be added before it deteriorates into an all out hate fest? I'm not adding any more fuel to the fire; I've already presented my opinions in the "CO Finals" thread. I say there is nothing more to be gained from keeping this thread open. Not healthy. :)

[carolynwg]

Bao deserve it, but not in dis way... although hw gud he played, there is still a helpin hand.. So, consider unfair 2 LCW...
This is juz pre-olympic.. If it's olympic, every1 wil noe wat wil happen

[anakin]

90% of BCLs' 42 pts are winners.. not unforced errors by LCW n only 5% are controversial, I am also a fan of LCW but BCL is a clear winner. Umpires did not play the winning strokes.

Come on.... this is human playing badminton.... Using mathematical stats to judge the outcome is totally illogical. Try yourself.... playing not only against your opponent, but also against the umpire and line judges.

[kwun]

I've gone through quite a few of the posts in this thread. Many echo the same sentiment, angry or otherwise. There still appears to be a whole lot of frustration but how much more can there be added before it deteriorates into an all out hate fest? I'm not adding any more fuel to the fire; I've already presented my opinions in the "CO Finals" thread. I say there is nothing more to be gained from keeping this thread open. Not healthy. :)

agree.

in closing, i want everyone to understand that there isn't much point to show your anger here as anger will only fuel anger. it make much more valuable discussion if posting can be make in a more analytical and rational manner instead of just voicing emotions.

thread closed.