China will NOT attend Super Series Finals

[apontoh]

Shocking news here...

http://www.badzine.info/content/view/697/2/

[taufik-ist]

what a shocking news... how come ? why ?

[apontoh]

well, it seems to be an executive decision by LYB to rest the players, given that the Finals don't count towards Olympic qualification points. I guess it just shows how determined China is to sweep all the golds in the Olympics. Or maybe this is LYB's punishment for China's failure to win at least 3 golds in the Guangzhou SS?

[ants]

I'm not suprised by that move. It is their silent way of boycotting the Finals after what happened during the China Open. Many people are already putting them in hot soup due to the controversies surrounding it.

Olympics is in August. There is ample of time for them to rest actually.

[twobeer]

Maybe they must have time t drink "turtle blood" before olympics :)

/Twobeer

[cooler]

Maybe they must have time t drink "turtle blood" before olympics :)

/Twobeer

close, it's snake/lizard or chicken blood.
turtle blood slows u down:p
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7043&highlight=lizard

[huangkwokhau]

well..may be China knows there will be no Super Series final.........:D:D

[mikemike]

sure!
that's true news!

[madbad]

What a slap in the face for BWF if indeed this happens. The SS Finals is supposed to be the showcase event for them and yet they have no authority for make CHN attend. It doesn't auger well for the sport as advertisers and potential revenue sources too may give it a miss. At the moment, the professional badminton structure is weak and China has to realise that their withdrawal can do some future damage to it. In a sense, China needs to display some responsibility towards growing badminton. Without China's support, the sport could be set back a bit, which BWF can ill afford.

BWF has to show some backbone and initiative to ensure China's attendance. It'll be a shame if their withdrawal really happens, but it just goes to show which dog is wagging BWF's tail. :(:mad::(

[nibaxiang]

BWF has to show some backbone and initiative to ensure China's attendance. It'll be a shame if their withdrawal really happens, but it just goes to show which dog is wagging BWF's tail. :(:mad::(

Hehe, do you really think BWF has backbone? :p

Rather than forcing the attendance of somebody, BWF should give priority to introducing cameras into tournaments & regulations. That way, everyboy gets a fair game. Mouth-watering only contributes to global warming a bit. :)

[chris-ccc]

well, it seems to be an executive decision by LYB to rest the players, given that the Finals don't count towards Olympic qualification points. I guess it just shows how determined China is to sweep all the golds in the Olympics. Or maybe this is LYB's punishment for China's failure to win at least 3 golds in the Guangzhou SS?


I'm not suprised by that move. It is their silent way of boycotting the Finals after what happened during the China Open. Many people are already putting them in hot soup due to the controversies surrounding it.

Olympics is in August. There is ample of time for them to rest actually.


well..may be China knows there will be no Super Series final.........:D:D


What a slap in the face for BWF if indeed this happens. The SS Finals is supposed to be the showcase event for them and yet they have no authority for make CHN attend. It doesn't auger well for the sport as advertisers and potential revenue sources too may give it a miss. At the moment, the professional badminton structure is weak and China has to realise that their withdrawal can do some future damage to it. In a sense, China needs to display some responsibility towards growing badminton. Without China's support, the sport could be set back a bit, which BWF can ill afford.

BWF has to show some backbone and initiative to ensure China's attendance. It'll be a shame if their withdrawal really happens, but it just goes to show which dog is wagging BWF's tail. :(:mad::(

Greetings,

Well... this withdrawal of China from the Super Series shows how different Badminton is from Tennis.

When BWF were planning their Super Series Events, they were thinking of holding them for the individual players, and not for the representatives of nations.

BWF was trying to have players like what ITF (International Tennis Federation) have done... just compare the Grand Slam and Masters events in Tennis with their inter-nations events, like Davis Cup, Hopman Cup, etc...

Unfortunately, BWF failed to realise that Badminton players, at the present moment, are usually attached to their national teams structure.

BTW, for China this is good news for Chen Hong... for he would be able to play without any interference from LYB and/or the China Badminton Association. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc
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[huangkwokhau]

Greetings,

Well this withdrawal of China from the Super Series shows how different Badminton is from Tennis.

When BWF were planning the Super Series Events, they were thinking of holding them for the individual players, and not for the representatives of nations.

BWF was trying to have players like what ITF (International Tennis Federation) have done... just compare the Grand Slam and Masters events in Tennis with their inter-nations events, like Davis Cup, Hopman Cup, etc...

Unfortunately, BWF failed to realise that Badminton players, at the present moment, are all attached to their national teams structure.

BTW, for China this is good news for Chen Hong... for he would be able to play without any interference from LYB and/or the China National Association. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc
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Please note:

a. Chen Hong needs China Federation to register him in this event.....if China really withdraws, I do not think that they will register CH at all...

b. BWF could not do same as ITF or WTA series final as they have alreadly limted the number of entries per country.
As long as the badminton players could not register their names for the events ( still have to go thru their Federation), it will remain...will not be individual....( I had discussions with Tony G, Rexy and Hendrawan during breakfast)

[chris-ccc]

Please note:

a. Chen Hong needs China Federation to register him in this event.....if China really withdraws, I do not think that they will register CH at all...

b. BWF could not do same as ITF or WTA series final as they have alreadly limted the number of entries per country.

As long as the badminton players could not register their names for the events ( still have to go thru their Federation), it will remain...will not be individual....( I had discussions with Tony G, Rexy and Hendrawan during breakfast)




Hi huangkwokhau,

If what you have said is true, then I am most disappointed. :o:(

I will be hoping that ONE DAY, Badminton players can have the right to play for himself/herself too, not just for their countries.

I just hope that all National Badminton Associations around the world will follow what Soccer, Basketball, Tennis, etc... have been doing all along, that is to give their players some freedom (to be professionals in their own rights).

Cheers... chris@ccc
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[kwun]

LYB has in many many occasions stressed the fact that the relatively poor performance of their player is due to over playing. they attended most of the SS events in order to gain olympic points at the expense of not able to do any systematic training that China believe strongly in, on top of that, the exertion from too many tournaments also caused a lot of injuries.

if the SS finals don't have olympic points, then it makes sense for them to skip it and then rest their players so they can be fresher to play tourneys that do count towards olympics.

olympics at this point is the #1 agenda in china, money is no object.

[Inky2000]

In another interview which I've translated and posted in another thread, LYB explained that they need 35 consecutive days of quality training prior to TC/UC and OG. They didn't have that since May 1, 2007 due to the hectic competition schedule. They have to prioritize rather than being greedy.

BTW, SS Finals will not offer World Ranking points (apart from no OG ranking points) either?

[huangkwokhau]

In another interview which I've translated and posted in another thread, LYB explained that they need 35 consecutive days of quality training prior to TC/UC and OG. They didn't have that since May 1, 2007 due to the hectic competition schedule. They have to prioritize rather than being greedy.

BTW, SS Finals will not offer World Ranking points (apart from no OG ranking points) either?
I believe that there is no ranking points for SS Final..it is just about prize money....

[Inky2000]

Anyway, without CHN's participation, let's see what the line-up may look like according to present SS rankings,

MS: LCW, PG, KJ, SDK, BP, Simon, Shoji, Hafiz (Taufik needs to participate in HK SS and advance to at least one round ahead of Hafiz to be qualified)
WS: PHY, XHW, WC, YPY, WMC, Tine, Petya, YJ
MD: KKK/TBH, MK/HS, TG/CW, JE/MLH, CTF/LWW, JJS/LYD, Jap pair, Polish pair
- tricky ... CW takes up 1/2 INA's seat, which might deny 2 other INA pairs' (who ranked immediately behind JJS/LYD) chances
WD: LKW/LHJ, GE/DK, Jap pair, JYM/LYJ, CYC/CWH, Endang/Rani, Jap pair (2), CEH/WPT
XD: NR/GE, Nova/Lilyana, Flandy/Vita, AC/DK, Thomas/Kamilla, Sudket/Saralee, Polish pair, HS/LYJ

Not attractive anymore.

[well-son]

What a slap in the face for BWF if indeed this happens. The SS Finals is supposed to be the showcase event for them and yet they have no authority for make CHN attend. It doesn't auger well for the sport as advertisers and potential revenue sources too may give it a miss. At the moment, the professional badminton structure is weak and China has to realise that their withdrawal can do some future damage to it. In a sense, China needs to display some responsibility towards growing badminton. Without China's support, the sport could be set back a bit, which BWF can ill afford.

BWF has to show some backbone and initiative to ensure China's attendance. It'll be a shame if their withdrawal really happens, but it just goes to show which dog is wagging BWF's tail. :(:mad::(


LYB has in many many occasions stressed the fact that the relatively poor performance of their player is due to over playing. they attended most of the SS events in order to gain olympic points at the expense of not able to do any systematic training that China believe strongly in, on top of that, the exertion from too many tournaments also caused a lot of injuries.

if the SS finals don't have olympic points, then it makes sense for them to skip it and then rest their players so they can be fresher to play tourneys that do count towards olympics.

olympics at this point is the #1 agenda in china, money is no object.


Anyway, without CHN's participation, let's see what the line-up may look like according to present SS rankings,

MS: LCW, PG, KJ, SDK, BP, Simon, Shoji, Hafiz (Taufik needs to participate in HK SS and advance to at least one round ahead of Hafiz to be qualified)
WS: PHY, XHW, WC, YPY, WMC, Tine, Petya, YJ
MD: KKK/TBH, MK/HS, TG/CW, JE/MLH, CTF/LWW, JJS/LYD, Jap pair, Polish pair
- tricky ... CW takes up 1/2 INA's seat, which might deny 2 other INA pairs' (who ranked immediately behind JJS/LYD) chances
WD: LKW/LHJ, GE/DK, Jap pair, JYM/LYJ, CYC/CWH, Endang/Rani, Jap pair (2), CEH/WPT
XD: NR/GE, Nova/Lilyana, Flandy/Vita, AC/DK, Thomas/Kamilla, Sudket/Saralee, Polish pair, HS/LYJ

Not attractive anymore.

In any way, without China's Participation in Super Series Finals, this tournament will lose its PRESTIGE :( since more than half of the top badminton players are from China at the momment. And the sponsors of this tourney (if there are some who have dealed already) will think twice...

BWF should make an appropriate action to handle this.:cool:

[hhs1000]

Just scrap the SS Final. No date, no place, no sponsor, no China, no point.

This shows just how badly managed WBF is. Apparently the current adminstrators are not good enough to bring badminton to the new height.

If they really love the game, they should let other more capable to run the organisation. I still remember the case of fixing the BWF HQ early this year, yet there is no closure to it.

[Inky2000]

At least LYB has made a valid point - hectic year-round schedule with 12 SS, WC or OG, SC or TC/UC ... that means 14 world-class events per year (and I'm not counting AG or continental championships). Top players are worn up and yet no more quality training. Really, no point having SS Finals unless they cut down at least 2 SS tournaments.

[Wong8Egg]

no china in finals?
that would be very boring
i love to watch my country kick china's a$$
(like WMC did to XXF)

May the please admin remove this post? This post is completely off topic and pointless. I find this (so call statement) is very insulting and provoking to the Chinese fans. :mad:

[Wong8Egg]

At least LYB has made a valid point - hectic year-round schedule with 12 SS, WC or OG, SC or TC/UC ... that means 14 world-class events per year (and I'm not counting AG or continental championships). Top players are worn up and yet no more quality training. Really, no point having SS Finals unless they cut down at least 2 SS tournaments.

Agreed and understood, but it is still sad news for the fans. Which the top badminton nation is absent from the first year SS final.

BWF probably needs more communication with team's coach and players before scheduling for the future years, 14 world class event year round is not realistic by any means.

[kwun]

May the please admin remove this post? This post is completely off topic and pointless. I find this (so call statement) is very insulting and provoking to the Chinese fans. :mad:

posts removed and user banned.

[CLELY]

It's good news of course for others to grab huge money and win title but this SS Final will be losing of interest because like or dislike CHN is the superpower in badminton world right now. Just imagine World Cup without Brazil or Germany, certainly there's something missing...

Yeah, Beijing OG is everything for CHN including their badminton squad as one of China gold priority sport.

[kwun]

the Super Series is still relatively new and BWF has not really made it a desirable tournament to play in except for the prize money. prize money is usually a good incentive for countries to attend but unfortunately they happened to bump into Olympics qualification year. as a result, badminton countries who have exhausted player and don't have too much incentive for the prize money probably will not attend.

[Krisna]

When BWF were planning their Super Series Events, they were thinking of holding them for the individual players, and not for the representatives of nations.


Not true. There is a 2 player per country limit in the SS Finals and member association chooses which 2.


Please note:

a. Chen Hong needs China Federation to register him in this event.....if China really withdraws, I do not think that they will register CH at all...

b. BWF could not do same as ITF or WTA series final as they have alreadly limted the number of entries per country.
As long as the badminton players could not register their names for the events ( still have to go thru their Federation), it will remain...will not be individual....( I had discussions with Tony G, Rexy and Hendrawan during breakfast)

Exactly, hau-ge! ;)


Hi huangkwokhau,

If what you have said is true, then I am most disappointed. :o:(


What Hau-ge wrote is 100% accurate. Oh well... You're not the only one dissapointed... :p

[KlasseE]

well..may be China knows there will be no Super Series final.........:D:D
LYB is smart.....he knows how to deal with HOT POTATO.....he won't take it when it's still HOT.....

[cooler]

I'm not suprised by that move. It is their silent way of boycotting the Finals after what happened during the China Open. Many people are already putting them in hot soup due to the controversies surrounding it.

Olympics is in August. There is ample of time for them to rest actually.
plus that the final SS event is not well organized.

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Finale to badminton Super Series in chaos

Wednesday • November 21, 2007

The finale to world badminton's flagship Super Series has been thrown into chaos after host Qatar failed to live up to its obligations and second choice Malaysia was ruled out as an alternative.

This week's China Masters and next week's Hong Kong Open will bring to an end a successful inaugural year for the Badminton World Federation's (BWF) Super Series circuit.

It is due to culminate in the Masters Final in Qatar from December 18-23 but the gas-rich nation failed to get enough sponsorship to underpin the event.

The alternative venue, Alor Star in Malaysia, has also been ruled out as the dates clash with the Hari Raya Haji, a Muslim ceremony celebrating the Haj pilgrimage.

"BWF has been advised that the finals were planned for December 18-23 in Qatar but have now been advised a switch of date and venue is necessary," said chair of BWF's events committee Anne Smillie.

"We have been advised that the anticipated sponsorship from Qatar, which would have underpinned the Masters, has not been achieved and Alor Star has been put forward as an alternative venue.

"But the proposed new dates of December 18-22 will not be possible because Malaysia's religious ceremony of Hari Raya Haji falls on December 20."

She said the federation remained in "close and urgent" discussions with Qatar to try to resolve the problems.

BWF executive deputy president Punch Gunalan added: "We are delighted with the success of the first 10 tournaments in this new 12-event circuit.

"Naturally BWF is aware of the frustration of our member associations regarding the Super Series Masters Final. We would like to stress that we are working hard to ensure the tournament proceeds and that all the players who qualify for the Masters have adequate time to prepare."

The BWF revamped its tour this year to create the Super Series, reducing the seeds for major tournaments to eight and the number of players in the main draw to 32.

They also changed the rules so that players from the same country can be in the same half of the draw, in an attempt to make the game more competitive. — AFP

[pjswift]

what a shocking news... how come ? why ?
Given the CO outcome,CHN players unlikely to win any of the titles except WD.No show means no loss of face.LYB's reason for overplaying his team is ridiculous.The top players play the pretty much same number of tournaments. Actually LCW plays more than LD because of PO and TPO.
LYB conning and cunning as usual to the media.

[pjswift]

At least LYB has made a valid point - hectic year-round schedule with 12 SS, WC or OG, SC or TC/UC ... that means 14 world-class events per year (and I'm not counting AG or continental championships). Top players are worn up and yet no more quality training. Really, no point having SS Finals unless they cut down at least 2 SS tournaments.
Players are not required to compete in every tournament. They can pick and choose, so what's the problem?

[pjswift]

Agreed and understood, but it is still sad news for the fans. Which the top badminton nation is absent from the first year SS final.

BWF probably needs more communication with team's coach and players before scheduling for the future years, 14 world class event year round is not realistic by any means.
Top badminton nation? We're dealing with the top 8 in each event and each country is limited to 2 per event anyway.CHN absent? No loss in quality except WD.No problem with me.The top players deserve to have their share of end of season bonus.No player should be deprived of that because of CHN's shame.

[ants]

posts removed and user banned.

Banned without warning?

[kwun]

Banned without warning?

nah. he was warned.

[twobeer]

An easy way for BWF to solve this issue would just be to award big ranking points on the SS finals.. Then it would hurt CHNs OG plans to not participate..

/Twobeer

[cooler]

An easy way for BWF to solve this issue would just be to award big ranking points on the SS finals.. Then it would hurt CHNs OG plans to not participate..

/Twobeer
also hurt Mr. Big Event taufik too:p

[jgao_net]

An easy way for BWF to solve this issue would just be to award big ranking points on the SS finals.. Then it would hurt CHNs OG plans to not participate..

/Twobeer
it's a good idea, but it's too late to be adding it now. it would make it extremely unfair to the chinese team, and imo show it's bias against the chinese team. im not trying to whine or anything, but you have to keep with the rules. you cant be changing the rules as you go.

for example, what would happen if BWF made the announcement 1 month prior to the OG saying that a country can send 4 players each or something like that

[twobeer]

it's a good idea, but it's too late to be adding it now. it would make it extremely unfair to the chinese team, and imo show it's bias against the chinese team. im not trying to whine or anything, but you have to keep with the rules. you cant be changing the rules as you go.


I can't see how it would be unfair to the chineese team.. they could still change their mind and participate in the finals..

You could even argue, that it is unfair that the Chineese players skip the tournament and therefore gets more rest than the other pros before OG..as the other pro's need the money, and team china don't care about the money, just the OG medals..



for example, what would happen if BWF made the announcement 1 month prior to the OG saying that a country can send 4 players each or something like that

Even better only 1 player per country, haha :P

/T

[samuel882]

CHina is not the only nations who participate in OG next year, top players from MAS ; KOREA; INA ; DENMARK for example also join in almost ALL the SS events so far.
So, do that meants the others players doesn't need a rest or that simply meants the others have much more great stamina to sustain compare with the Chinese players???
BWF should never let a single nation to overrule their decision of staging the SS finals..

[chickenpoodle]

CHina is not the only nations who participate in OG next year, top players from MAS ; KOREA; INA ; DENMARK for example also join in almost ALL the SS events so far.
So, do that meants the others players doesn't need a rest or that simply meants the others have much more great stamina to sustain compare with the Chinese players???
BWF should never let a single nation to overrule their decision of staging the SS finals..

you're missing the point i think.

MAS, KOR, INA, DEN, ENG, etc, all want to perform at a level to have a good fighting chance for the OG golds.

the chinese don't want to perform at a level to have a good fighting chance to win the OG gold medals.
the CHN team want to perform at a level that will GUARENTEE them the OG gold medals.

its not an issue of having more or less stamina than other players from other countries.
if they feel they need consecutive weeks of structured training and practice to guarentee success, they will do what it takes to make that happen.

what i can potentially seeing as a good solution is some how changing the qualification laws a bit, to allow CHN to let some of their B-team players to join.
i'm sure individuals like wang yihan, gong wejie, chen long, would perform well enough to give the other top players a challenge.

yeah, i can see how its not entirely fair if everyone has to play while the chinese tops get to rest, but thats the benefit of having that many players to draw on, and you can be darn sure that everyone else would be exercising that advantage or priviledge if they had that opportunity, not only the chinese.

[chris-ccc]

Players are not required to compete in every tournament. They can pick and choose, so what's the problem?




I think the Chinese Team decided not to participate in the SS Finals because no ranking points will be given, even though the prize money is better.

And the reason why no ranking points will be given is because the SS Finals is an invitation event, while the ordinary SS events are open to all players.




An easy way for BWF to solve this issue would just be to award big ranking points on the SS finals.. Then it would hurt CHNs OG plans to not participate..




If the SS Finals were to award ranking points, then it would not be fair for players who are not in the top 8 positions (who are not qualified to participate in it).




what i can potentially seeing as a good solution is some how changing the qualification laws a bit, to allow CHN to let some of their B-team players to join.




Unfortunately, for the SS Finals, BWF has already made their rules for whom who could be invited (the top 8 players in each category, maximum of 2 from a nation only).

Even if the Chinese B-team players wanted to play, they might not be qualified for the SS Finals, except for Chen Hong whom I have mentioned who is qualified.

There could be other players from China, not involved in their A-team but ranked high enough to be invited, but is China interested to send them ?

As I have posted before, when BWF thought of these SS events and Finals, they were trying to follow Tennis (the ITF's GP, Grand Slam, and Masters events). Unfortunately, almost all Badminton players are not playing as individual professional players, but as players subject to their National Associations.

I think, in the future, if and when Badminton players can play as individuals like Soccer, Tennis, Golf, etc... players, then the SS events and their Finals will become realistic, as what they were intended to be.

Cheers... chris@ccc
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[sjoe]

I don't tink is fair for China to say it now and boycott the final. If they disagree with the SS scheduling, it should have protested from the start. It should have gentlement's agreement, once you agree to participate let finish it and will review for the next one.
Boycott is a form of protest, it is because of fustration. LYB must be very fustrated that his players can't perform consitently tournament after tournament. Well he has to adjust his methode of training if he agree to participate at the first place.

[chris-ccc]

Boycott is a form of protest, it is because of frustration. LYB must be very frustrated that his players can't perform consistently tournament after tournament. Well he has to adjust his methods of training if he agree to participate at the first place.




I don't think this is a boycott.

I think the reason is that LYB is more interested in winning GOLD at the Beijing Olympics 2008.

The SS Finals prize money for his players (or for himself) is not as important to him.

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[huangkwokhau]

WTA offers ranking points for final 8......

[ctjcad]

Shocking news here...

http://www.badzine.info/content/view/697/2/
hmmmmm....now that i think about it, perhaps holding the SS Grand Prix event in January next yr wouldn't be a bad idea afterall. Granted, it will be held in M'sia and around the same time as the 2008 M'sian Open?!...:confused::p

Anyways, it's unfortunate and definitely won't be the same, now that the CHN squad wouldn't be able to attend this event.:( But i also think the organizer shouldn't be affected by their absence. Rather, they should just hold this event and still respect the other countries'/players participation...:cool:

[well-son]

Unfortunately, for the SS Finals, BWF has already made their rules for whom who could be invited (the top 8 players in each category, maximum of 2 from a nation only).


Just guessing, could it be some kind of soft protest from LYB/China BA for not attending the Super Series Final because BWF limit the players max 2 in each category --- as they have (or can have) more than 2 players, especially in MS, WD, WS?
He/they think it's unfair? Could it be?



I think, in the future, if and when Badminton players can play as individuals like Soccer, Tennis, Golf, etc... players, then the SS events and their Finals will become realistic, as what they were intended to be.

Cheers... chris@ccc
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If it happens in the future, it would be definietly good, for the players and for the sport (badminton) as well.

[Shifty]

what many of you are forgetting, is that, yes, Wong Mew Choo, Peter Gade, and everyone non-chinese plays in the Super Series as well. BUT, they don't play as many games per tournament, cos they usually get kicked out before the finals. chinese players have usually played the longest routes to get to where ever they end up(usually winners).

and what they're doing isn't really unfair on the other players. it's actually letting lower ranked opponents a chance to shine without the presence of China. it's actually pretty smart. as my dad often tells me, "win the matches you need to win, treat the others as a club game."

i guess the Chinese are just doing that. they want to win the Olympics, and so, to them, the Super Series final is like the Vietnam open. it doesn't really matter if they win it or miss out.

[kwun]

also remember that the attraction of SS Final is mostly for spectator and prize money. the anticipated prize money is very attractive, these are professionals afterall and they don't just go for ranking points but also the cash reward.

[sjoe]

It would be disaster if other country will retaliate by pulling out from OG. May not be Indonesia or Malaysia but other country like Denmark, Britain, Thailand etc.

[kenny7_2006]

but the thing is, WILL the Super Series final go on? according to some reports, it will be scrapped because Qatar and Malaysia couldnt host it, but according to the Star today
(http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/11/27/sports/19584644&sec=sports)
apparently it will be resceduled.... hmm...

[kenny7_2006]

if it does go on, it will still be interesting to watch, with or without China's participation...

[chris-ccc]

but the thing is, WILL the Super Series final go on? according to some reports, it will be scrapped because Qatar and Malaysia couldn't host it, but according to the Star today
(http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2007/11/27/sports/19584644&sec=sports)
apparently it will be rescheduled.... hmm...




The latest that I have heard is that Doha could hold it in January 2008.

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[kkkfans]

i think china just considered at next year olympik oni.....n they wan get more champion on it.....but malaysia sure can take champion even they train harder......

[sumbadder]

You guys make it sound like everyone except China has to participate in the SS finals. Fact is, the tournament is in shambles and nobody is required to play in it. Of course it's bad for the sport if players don't participate in the flagship event of the BWF but they aren't obligated to in any way. As stated before, the event happened to land in an Olympic qualification year so players are participating in every possible qualification tournament to secure their spot in the Games and are probably in need of rest before the 2008 season begins. Given that there are no points involved in this tournament, I'd be willing to bet that there will be more players not participating in the Finals if they even take place as they need to rest up and aren't really in need of the money.

[pjswift]

You guys make it sound like everyone except China has to participate in the SS finals. Fact is, the tournament is in shambles and nobody is required to play in it. Of course it's bad for the sport if players don't participate in the flagship event of the BWF but they aren't obligated to in any way. As stated before, the event happened to land in an Olympic qualification year so players are participating in every possible qualification tournament to secure their spot in the Games and are probably in need of rest before the 2008 season begins. Given that there are no points involved in this tournament, I'd be willing to bet that there will be more players not participating in the Finals if they even take place as they need to rest up and aren't really in need of the money.
only CHN needs to rest cos their players in poor shape.
It's gonna be round robin style so players play a minimum of 3 matches and max of 5.And it's all for better money than usual;why would they not turn up? In fact am delighted CHN withdraw (because LYB knows his players unlikely to win); it means instead of BCL and LD, we' ll have TH and BP. Isn't that more exciting? Looking forward to it in jan 08. (Confirmed by Spore's CV)

[Shifty]

only CHN needs to rest cos their players in poor shape.
It's gonna be round robin style so players play a minimum of 3 matches and max of 5.And it's all for better money than usual;why would they not turn up? In fact am delighted CHN withdraw (because LYB knows his players unlikely to win); it means instead of BCL and LD, we' ll have TH and BP. Isn't that more exciting? Looking forward to it in jan 08. (Confirmed by Spore's CV)

depends on your version of exciting.

[Krisna]

I don't tink is fair for China to say it now and boycott the final. If they disagree with the SS scheduling, it should have protested from the start. It should have gentlement's agreement, once you agree to participate let finish it and will review for the next one.

Boycott is a form of protest, it is because of fustration. LYB must be very fustrated that his players can't perform consitently tournament after tournament. Well he has to adjust his methode of training if he agree to participate at the first place.

If China is frustrated that the SS schedule is too much, why not walk the talk and reduce the China Masters SS to a GP Gold event? :) There. One SS down. Or... don't have any China Masters at all... [if there are internal Chinese pressures to send China players to their own GP Gold event]Either way, that's one week off the schedule if they so chooses... ;) Don't just be frustrated, act! Beginning with a leadership action from yourself! ;)


It would be disaster if other country will retaliate by pulling out from OG. May not be Indonesia or Malaysia but other country like Denmark, Britain, Thailand etc.

Please please, no boycotts by anybody... boycotts will so annoy the Olympic Comittee that they might decide to drop badminton as an Olympic sport altogether! :mad: :crying: We all loose! By us, I mean badminton fans and people in the badminton world... I heard sports like golf can't wait to take badminton's place in the OG.

[twobeer]

If the SS Finals were to award ranking points, then it would not be fair for players who are not in the top 8 positions (who are not qualified to participate in it).

I fail to see why this would not be "fair".. They all have had equal opportunity to be in the top 8 positions... participating in previous SS-events..

/Twobeer

[twobeer]

also remember that the attraction of SS Final is mostly for spectator and prize money. the anticipated prize money is very attractive, these are professionals afterall and they don't just go for ranking points but also the cash reward.

The problem lies in the fact, that CHN players don't play as individuals, and thus the money incentive for these players is non existant.. I doubt they get to keep any prize money personally at all. Their results are measured by ranking points (and ultimately gold medals), not prize money..

This structure, I think is also bad for the sport as the money needs to be bigger if we want it to grow commercially..

Other pro players on the other hand will just be happy if CHN players don't take part in big money events, as it will make their way to the money easier..

Fans like me however want to see the best players in action...

/Twobeer

[twobeer]

what many of you are forgetting, is that, yes, Wong Mew Choo, Peter Gade, and everyone non-chinese plays in the Super Series as well. BUT, they don't play as many games per tournament, cos they usually get kicked out before the finals. chinese players have usually played the longest routes to get to where ever they end up(usually winners).


You are forgetting, that All chineese players don't reach the finals all the time..

Also its a good chance they will get occasional easy games from WO's or given games from "team"-members :P

So I don't think it is a fair assessment to say all Chinnese play more games..

looking at some stats...

in SS up to french..

The number of total matches are Gade:22,Bao:26,LD:35,KJ:22,LCW:29...

But if we take away the WO:s and "internal" CHN-team nmeetings it is:

Bao:17, LD:27...

/Twobeer

[Krisna]

And the reason why no ranking points will be given is because the SS Finals is an invitation event, while the ordinary SS events are open to all players.


Chris... I think you have gathered some inaccurate information here...

The SS Final is not an invitation event. You have to qualify for it. You have 12 SS chances throughout this competition year to accumulate as many points as possible. And then, ...with the blessing of your national association, you can possibly be one of the top player or pair of your country [max 2] to play in the SS Final.



If the SS Finals were to award ranking points, then it would not be fair for players who are not in the top 8 positions (who are not qualified to participate in it).


Then... is it also not fair to award ranking points in the World Championship and Olympic Games?!? Only max 4 players/pairs per category can represent his/her country in the WC... and max 3 in the OG... So there are many people in that country who are not qualified to participate...

Actually, Chris, is it also not fair to only allow the highest ranked competitor to participate in a normal SS event? Many BWF registered player could not play in some SS because they are not ranked high enough compared to the others... Thus, they could not get any ranking points in that SS because they don't qualify... So? Not fair for these unqualified people? :confused:


I fail to see why this would not be "fair".. They all have had equal opportunity to be in the top 8 positions... participating in previous SS-events..

/Twobeer

Yup, twobeer... I agree with you.

[pjswift]

what many of you are forgetting, is that, yes, Wong Mew Choo, Peter Gade, and everyone non-chinese plays in the Super Series as well. BUT, they don't play as many games per tournament, cos they usually get kicked out before the finals. chinese players have usually played the longest routes to get to where ever they end up(usually winners).

and what they're doing isn't really unfair on the other players. it's actually letting lower ranked opponents a chance to shine without the presence of China. it's actually pretty smart. as my dad often tells me, "win the matches you need to win, treat the others as a club game."

i guess the Chinese are just doing that. they want to win the Olympics, and so, to them, the Super Series final is like the Vietnam open. it doesn't really matter if they win it or miss out.
I believe you haven't been following trends for a while.CHN hasn't been winning the way they used to. the CO's a disaster. Probably the first time CHN gets less than half the titles and had it not been for official 'foul play', could have been only 1 out of 5 titles.
Right now, CHN's desperate to maximise ranking points so they can field the max of 3 players per event. Even with that, CHN will unlikely land a title. If only 2 CHN per event, almost impossible for CHN to land a title because it means their players will have to be in lone ranger mode compared to team mode.
The trend is non-CHN players have been improving while CHN 's just clinging onto the cliff.

[pjswift]

You are forgetting, that All chineese players don't reach the finals all the time..

Also its a good chance they will get occasional easy games from WO's or given games from "team"-members :P

So I don't think it is a fair assessment to say all Chinnese play more games..

looking at some stats...

in SS up to french..

The number of total matches are Gade:22,Bao:26,LD:35,KJ:22,LCW:29...

But if we take away the WO:s and "internal" CHN-team nmeetings it is:

Bao:17, LD:27...

/Twobeer
Thanks for the revealing stats. Great work.

[chris-ccc]

Chris... I think you have gathered some inaccurate information here...

The SS Final is not an invitation event. You have to qualify for it. You have 12 SS chances throughout this competition year to accumulate as many points as possible. And then, ...with the blessing of your national association, you can possibly be one of the top player or pair of your country [max 2] to play in the SS Final.

Then... is it also not fair to award ranking points in the World Championship and Olympic Games?!? Only max 4 players/pairs per category can represent his/her country in the WC... and max 3 in the OG... So there are many people in that country who are not qualified to participate...

Actually, Chris, is it also not fair to only allow the highest ranked competitor to participate in a normal SS event? Many BWF registered player could not play in some SS because they are not ranked high enough compared to the others... Thus, they could not get any ranking points in that SS because they don't qualify... So? Not fair for these unqualified people? :confused:




Hi Krisna,

Perhaps I did not post correctly. :):):)

To me, the SS Finals and the Olympics are both "Invitation" events.

But I can see your point that if players wanted to be invited, then they have to gain ranking points to qualify for those events.

I was comparing "Invitation" events to "Open" events.

Cheers... chris@ccc
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[Shifty]

You are forgetting, that All chineese players don't reach the finals all the time..

Also its a good chance they will get occasional easy games from WO's or given games from "team"-members :P

So I don't think it is a fair assessment to say all Chinnese play more games..

looking at some stats...

in SS up to french..

The number of total matches are Gade:22,Bao:26,LD:35,KJ:22,LCW:29...

But if we take away the WO:s and "internal" CHN-team nmeetings it is:

Bao:17, LD:27...

/Twobeer

are you counting all internal matches as a walk over? i recall that Bao and Lin Dan had a huge 3 setter in Korea. Chen Yu had a 3 setter against Chen Jin in the All Englands. i don't think all were "fixed". but you do have a point.

the thing is though, we won't know the results until next year. IF, china comes out firing again next year, then China not attending will be proven as a smart choice. if they continue losing, then it's something different. BUT, until then, all we can really do is moan and groan. which i'd rather not do, and just watch who ever does go to the Finals.

[Krisna]

Hi Krisna,

Perhaps I did not post correctly. :):):)

To me, the SS Finals and the Olympics are both "Invitation" events.

But I can see your point that if players wanted to be invited, then they have to gain ranking points to qualify for those events.

I was comparing "Invitation" events to "Open" events.

Cheers... chris@ccc
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Chris...

In my opinion, we really cannot call OG and WC "invitation" event at all... In "invitational" events, you cannot sue or blame the organizers for not inviting you. It is the organizer's right to invite or not invite you. :p

In OG,WC, and SS Final a player like Peter Gade can blame or even sue the organizers if they reject his request to play in those tournaments. He is ranked number 5 - 8 in the world and he is the highest ranked Danish MS player. Thus, it is Peter Gade's right to be included in those championships because he met all the requirements to participate. :)

No invitation is extended at all for OC, WC, and SS Final. They are BWF tournaments where either you qualify or you don't. Yes they have different rules than normal "Open" events, but we cannot describe them as "invitation" events at all since no invitation whatsoever was extended. :p

[chris-ccc]

Chris...

In my opinion, we really cannot call OG and WC "invitation" event at all...

In OG, WC, and SS Final a player like Peter Gade can blame or even sue the organizers if they reject his request to play in those tournaments. He is ranked number 5 - 8 in the world and he is the highest ranked Danish MS player. Thus, it is Peter Gade's right to be included in those championships because he met all the requirements to participate. :)

No invitation is extended at all for OC, WC, and SS Final. They are BWF tournaments where either you qualify or you don't. Yes they have different rules than normal "Open" events, but we cannot describe them as "invitation" events at all since no invitation whatsoever was extended. :p




Hey Krisna,

I have to agree with you that "invitation" might be the incorrect word to be used. :o

I was thinking more in the 'positive' sense... that the organisers of the SS Finals, Olympics, World Championships, etc... are inviting only the top ranked players to participate.

Perhaps, 'restricted' might be the correct word to be used... since the organisers are not actually sending out invitations.

Cheers... chris@ccc
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[Krisna]

I have to agree with you that "invitation" might be the incorrect word to be used. :o

I was thinking more in the 'positive' sense... that the organisers of the SS Finals, Olympics, World Championships, etc... are inviting only the top ranked players to participate.

Perhaps, 'restricted' might be the correct word to be used... since the organisers are not actually sending out invitations.


Aaah, 'restricted' is correct! ;) :D Ha ha ha...

[wilfredlgf]

Oh well, their lost.

[d65up2]

if there is no china can taufik play???????

[carolynwg]

if there is no china can taufik play???????
mayb can... den wil PG participate?

[kobe123]

maybe its a strategy by china

as mentioned before, the china badminton players are unlike other countries player . Other countries player are often exposed to competition condition to allow them to improve , " a sort of training" or may be try out what they have learnt. On the other hand , China , they have to train alot just to participate one tournament , thats y before SS was introduced , china only participate in very pretigious events , and very often make a much more better performance .

Maybe LYB wants them to start training?

[kobe123]

anything china performance in the second half of the season is not satisfactory at all 1

[hcpoirot]

In my opinion even at Super Series final, there need to be ranking point. Even Tennis Master Shield at year end had very large ranking points. The winner get about 650 points.

Note: Grand Slam winner get 1000 points.

And of course the most controversial rules made by BWF is only 3 players from the same country can play in Super Series finale that already been promote only best of the best can play there.

So what the point being the number 4 or 5 rank in the world but can not compete in SS final just cause he or she only rank number 4 in his/her country. Strange and silly rules.

And the most dumbest thing BWF did is , after only 16 days left to SS final event, BWF still not know where this event will play.

Mean while in tennis, the association already planned this year end event 3 years ahead. lol :D

[hcpoirot]

And BWF want to made badminton as popular as tennis. Huahahaha keep dream on if they did not do any significant change.

The only change I saw BWF change so far:

1. The name. Useless.

2. The score. Not too helpful cause so far with new scoring still Asian players dominates most of the badminton results.

3. Change the ranking scoring with higher score for all the matches. Pretty useless again. Cause lets face it, in badminton you dont need to win A super series event to get high scores.

You only need to play lots of tournaments and try to at least reach quarter final. A winner of SS event get only 9200 points. A QF at SS event get 5040 points. So if you reach 2 QF at SS events, your points are more than winning one SS events. Very funny right?

Lets see tennis score. Winner at Grand slam get 1000 points. QF only get 250 points. So a player had to reach 4 QF to equal one win at grand slam. and they only had 4 Grandslam a year.

[hcpoirot]

And if we take World Champion ship event equal Grand Slam event. The scoring will be more silly.

Cause After World Championship and Olympic points, SS events had the next highest points. But look at the points.

World and Olympic winner will had 12000 points. SS events winner had 9200 points. So they had only 22.5% difference points. And if you reach 2 SS semifinal series you will get 6420 x 2= 12840.

So 2 Semifinal at SS events will had more points than win Olympic or World CH which are the highest events in badminton world.

But in tennis , Grand Slam winner will get 1000 points, and Master Series events winner (these are the next important events after GS) get 500 points. SF at Master series only get 250 points. So in tennis, you had to reach 4 Master Series SF to equal a Grand Slam winner.

The only reason BWF made that kind of scoring is too made the top difference ranking points in Top 10 not too far away. Cause if the badminton point system follow tennis , Lin Dan and maybe LCW will leave all the players in dust in ranking points kind of Roger and nadal in tennis.

BWF wanted to made impression that the fcompetition in badminton are very tight and fierce and the score between each players in top 20 or top 10 are very closed.

And like we all knows, most of the time in any top badminton events, the same few players always show up at the SF or final stages.

Other players probably reach lots of QF, one or two times in SF and maybe a final or a win in less top event. But their score are not too far from ranking number 1 and 2.

[Krisna]

And of course the most controversial rules made by BWF is only 3 players from the same country can play in Super Series finale that already been promote only best of the best can play there.

So what the point being the number 4 or 5 rank in the world but can not compete in SS final just cause he or she only rank number 4 in his/her country. Strange and silly rules.


Max 2 per country, hcpoirot...

Everything else, I agree completely with you! ;) :D

[CLELY]

Yeah, agree with the rules that describe about limitation of player from same country, sounds ridiculuous and unfair. The best of 8 should be meaning top-8 SS rank without any exceptional. I guess BWF just want to prevent one country too dominates SS Final.

[twobeer]

The only reason BWF made that kind of scoring is too made the top difference ranking points in Top 10 not too far away. Cause if the badminton point system follow tennis , Lin Dan and maybe LCW will leave all the players in dust in ranking points kind of Roger and nadal in tennis.


I don't think the intention from BWFs part really, is what you mentioned.. I think the intention from BWF part was to make sure players don't skip SS tournaments, thus giving good points for advancement in the tournaments, to maker it costly for the top players to skip tournaments ranking-point wise..

/T

[twobeer]

Max 2 per country, hcpoirot...

Everything else, I agree completely with you! ;) :D

I think, the way LYB uses chineese players as "team" in the international torunaments is forcing BWD to limit the number of players. This is BWFs only way to stop match fixing.

Sadly I think China is digging its own grave for its great athletes with all the WO's & retirements, and not all-out competetions between competitors from CHN.. The only way to stop this is really to put a limit to 2 player / country and place them on different halves in the draw.. Otherwise it will always be an advantage for players playing as a "team" against opponents playing each to their own..

/Twobeer

[wilfredlgf]

Sadly I think China is digging its own grave for its great athletes with all the WO's & retirements, and not all-out competetions between competitors from CHN..
To be honest if I were a member of the top brass in sports of China I'd only ask if we came home with the gold/medal/trophy; the rest is just a matter of presentation. The current situation, especially in terms of talent pools as well as international regulations made it possible to do so and I'll find it hard to blame them for doing it - unless it's illegal of course.

[OneToughBirdie]

I think, the way LYB uses chineese players as "team" in the international torunaments is forcing BWD to limit the number of players. This is BWFs only way to stop match fixing.

Sadly I think China is digging its own grave for its great athletes with all the WO's & retirements, and not all-out competetions between competitors from CHN.. The only way to stop this is really to put a limit to 2 player / country and place them on different halves in the draw.. Otherwise it will always be an advantage for players playing as a "team" against opponents playing each to their own..

/Twobeer
This debate will do on and on and on.... While I disagree with match fixing from any country past and present, and strongly believe players should play their best from a baddy fan perspective, but to limit CHN to only 2 players while CHN clearly dominate this sport, denied fans a spectacle to see the world best in contention. If I pay to see this SS finals, I want to see the world best players in action, after all why bother taking time off to fly and pay to see second rate players in action. I am not interested in who takes the gold, I want to see those players in live action showing us all their incredible moves and technics, etc.
What I would like to see is there is no restriction on players from any country, and no match fixing, no w/o, and let them play all out to crown the champion...but that is not going to happen, when politics mix in with sport.
Looking back, I considered lucky to be in Anaheim for WC05 in which 4 players from different countries in the MSSF, hence no match fixing and no w/o.

[twobeer]

What I would like to see is there is no restriction on players from any country, and no match fixing, no w/o, and let them play all out to crown the champion...but that is not going to happen, when politics mix in with sport.
Looking back, I considered lucky to be in Anaheim for WC05 in which 4 players from different countries in the MSSF, hence no match fixing and no w/o.

Of course we all wanna see the all the best Chineese players in action!!!

But I really dont fancy to sit an watch games "mate" vs. "mate" players not "trying" to win..

What I am saying is that if we don't get "real" matches, the lesser of two evils is just to ensure no "team-mates" vs. "team-mates" matchup are possible within the draw until final. Simply treat the MS elimination as a team event, if it actually today is played like that by some players..

/Twobeer

[indra]

If China will not attend the SS Final...that's OK..It's good for other players...:D Good...Good...

[twobeer]

To be honest if I were a member of the top brass in sports of China I'd only ask if we came home with the gold/medal/trophy; the rest is just a matter of presentation. The current situation, especially in terms of talent pools as well as international regulations made it possible to do so and I'll find it hard to blame them for doing it - unless it's illegal of course.

I guess, It's all well if you are their top players,, but it must be quite frustrating and humiliating to have to play 2nd fiddle to the players currently considered to be the "favourites" on the team by the coach...

Even if it is illegal, there is no way to 100% proove a match or w/o was fixed..

The only way around it would be to implement regulations to make it less advantageous..

The obvious solution is of course to have limited entries per "team" to the tournamnets, and make sure "team-members" always are on opposites halves of the draw.

Maybe requiring players to have separate coaches, and to have players signing for tournaments and price maoney etc as individuals, not by the bodies and organisations in their countries and more clearly separate MS,MD,XD,WS,WD as separate events, may be one way to battle the "team"-thinking for individual events...

/Twobeer

[chris-ccc]

The obvious solution is of course to have limited entries per "team" to the tournaments, and make sure "team-members" always are on opposites halves of the draw.

Maybe requiring players to have separate coaches, and to have players signing for tournaments and price money etc as individuals, not by the bodies and organisations in their countries and more clearly separate MS,MD,XD,WS,WD as separate events, may be one way to battle the "team"-thinking for individual events...




Hi twobeer,

This is actually happening in other sports... say, Swimming, for example.

I just posted this in another thread "To improve the staging of Badminton at International matches" located at:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50303

Here, is what was posted...


Under FINA rules, countries are allowed a maximum of two swimmers per individual event at the Olympics.

In the USA and Australia, there are many swimmers who not could participate, but they could meet the time standards to qualify, and they who could beat other nations' top swimmers.

Still, many support FINA rules...
Why allow a nation to clean sweep all 3 medals (Gold, Silver, Bronze)?
Why not allow more nations to participate ?

FINA even allow Wildcards for their Olympics events.

For those not familiar with Swimming, here is a USA article located at:
http://universalsports.nbcsports.com/articles/inside_sport/57?sport_id=21

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Qualifying

http://images.nbcsports.com/uploads/gallery_photo/image/1211/468long/Ian_Thorpe.jpgFINA, the world governing body for swimming, sets time standards that athletes must meet in order to qualify for the Olympics. Countries are allowed a maximum of two swimmers in each individual event and one team in each relay event. A country may only send two swimmers if those swimmers both qualify under the "A" time standard set by FINA.If a country does not have a swimmer(s) who qualifies for an event under FINA's "A" time, it may still send a swimmer to the Olympics if it has a competitor who meets FINA's "B" standard for an event. In this case, one and only one competitor from a country can contest the particular event. In all cases, a country's National Olympic Committee holds the authority on choosing which competitors who qualify under the time standards will compete in the Games. No nation may enter more than 26 men and 26 women in the swimming competition.


10k open-water qualifying (men and women)
Top 10 finishers from the FINA World Open Water Swimming Championships on April 29-May 4, 2008 in Seville, Spain.
Top finishers from each of the five continental championships
Nine or 10 top finishers, FINA Olympic Marathon Swim Qualifier, May 31-June 8, 2008 in BeijingTotal: 25 male athletes, 25 female athletes

U.S. trials
The United States swimming team for Beijing will be selected in July at the U.S. Swimming Trials in Omaha, Nebraska. Under FINA rules, countries are allowed a maximum of two swimmers per individual event at the Olympics. Since the time standards to qualify for the U.S. Trials are nearly as stringent as those to qualify for the Games, the U.S. will have maximum representation in all 27 individual events on the Olympic program. In the 100m and 200m freestyle events, the top six finishers at the Olympic Trials earned Olympic berths. The top two will swim the 100m and 200m individual events in Athens, while the others will be used to fill out the four-member relay teams. Having two extra swimmers allows those participating individually to skip relay preliminaries.

Wildcards
Federations(Nations) without qualified swimmers may enter one man and one woman (regardless of time standards) in one competition each of their choice, if the individual(s) participated in the 2007 Swimming World Championships. According to FINA rules, FINA will determine whether to allow the swimmer(s) to compete at the Olympics, "based on their performance."

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I think FINA is more in tune with the Olympics Spirit than our BWF. :):):)

Cheers... chris@ccc
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[Han]

In reality, to have the compatriots play all the way out to beat one another is not quite possible way back from Yang Yang, Zhao Jianhua, Dong Jiong, Sun Jun era. Even if players want to, coaches will discourage fearing of injury.
If players are not going to put out their best effort when facing their team mate then fan is not watching the best badminton so the quota system make sense. Malaysia could have more MD qualify to the event but I will be the first one to say is not exciting to watch either. Is more like a practice session than real match when team mate meet one another if not "injury walk".
We have so many SS opens that allow all top Chinese to participate and time after time it has proven "team" concept from Chinese players, what else should BWF do?
We can argue Super Series Final suppose to be the best of the best, but if the best players chose not to play their best instead to achieve other agenda then really defeat the purpose. The previous Grand Prix Final was so exciting to watch in the 90s because only Sun Jun and Dong Joing were qualified and they didn't meet one another. Gave Indonesia MD pairs credit as I recall they have 4 pairs in Gran Prix Final 1998 and yet played very competitive to win.

[cooler]

i had suggested a contest format to eliminate these w/o and match fixing problem before, i will call it Super Skins (SS). Fans will love it because they pay to see the best and only the best. No more waiting or hoping for a certain tournament draw where certain best meet the other bests. Players like it because the best will make money so they will ALWAY play their best in other tournaments as well to increase ranking to be pick in the Super Skins selection. IE, the skins match will encourage every player to play their best in ALL other tournaments. Problem solved.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39263&highlight=skins

[twobeer]

i had suggested a contest format to eliminate these w/o and match fixing problem before, i will call it Super Skins (SS). Fans will love it because they pay to see the best and only the best. No more waiting or hoping for a certain tournament draw where certain best meet the other bests. Players like it because the best will make money so they will ALWAY play their best in other tournaments as well to increase ranking to be pick in the Super Skins selection. IE, the skins match will encourage every player to play their best in ALL other tournaments. Problem solved.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39263&highlight=skins

The annual Copenhagen Masters is somewhat structured like that...

/Twobeer

[chibe_K]

OMG... China will NOT attend... BIG DEAL !!! We should just cancel any tournaments that team China is absent.

[kwun]

The annual Copenhagen Masters is somewhat structured like that...

/Twobeer

and for some reason, the Copenhagen Master has not been that popular in recent years.

[Birdwood]

...
Well... this withdrawal of China from the Super Series shows how different Badminton is from Tennis.
...
Cheers... chris@ccc


Just a question for you guys. Did China withdraw from the SS Finals or they will simply not attend? Either way how can you tell? Thanks

[chris-ccc]

Just a question for you guys. Did China withdraw from the SS Finals or they will simply not attend? Either way how can you tell? Thanks




Hi Birdwood,

Li Yongbo said that the intensity of the 12 SS schedule of 2007 has taken its toll. He stated that all his players are very tired and they need to rest and to get back to practice for the Beijing Olympics 2008.

And because the SS Finals do not give any Olympic ranking points, he decided to skip the event.

Cheers... chris@ccc
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[Birdwood]

I know the reasoning. I just don't know if they had signed up for the SS Finals, then backed off (truly withdrew from it). Or they had never signed-up to play in he first place (consider to play dose not count). There is a huge difference for that in business deals. I am just curious.

BTW, I love your "invitation". It's very clear to me. It's either a qualified Open or Invitation based on qualification, whichever the way to say it.

[pjswift]

OMG... China will NOT attend... BIG DEAL !!! We should just cancel any tournaments that team China is absent.
Why should CHN decide a tournament? I look forward to a tournament that's CHN -free.

[pjswift]

Hi Birdwood,

Li Yongbo said that the intensity of the 12 SS schedule of 2007 has taken its toll. He stated that all his players are very tired and they need to rest and to get back to practice for the Beijing Olympics 2008.

And because the SS Finals do not give any Olympic ranking points, he decided to skip the event.

Cheers... chris@ccc
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If the finals were to be held in CHN,I wouldn't be surprised LYB will have his team super ready,tired or otherwise.

[Deana Deyla]

is it true china will not attend SS final?

[wilfredlgf]

Why should CHN decide a tournament? I look forward to a tournament that's CHN -free.
Indeed. I don't see why CHN should have any rule over BWF in badminton when it's the other way around.

[dannyang]

CHN not attend?
i lost my interest in ss final now.

[dannyang]

I would like to see LD and XXF's performance.

[Dreamzz]

it's a shame, but one nation's participation should not influence the organisation of an international tournament.

[sepang]

After all, who really care? We want fair and good game. There are plenty of world class players even though they are not ranking top 5. I am looking forward to see exciting game in final SS and wish them to earn some good $ while CHN is not coming. :-)

[jimbo]

After all, who really care? We want fair and good game. There are plenty of world class players even though they are not ranking top 5. I am looking forward to see exciting game in final SS and wish them to earn some good $ while CHN is not coming. :-)

As far as sponsorship is concerned, it's a BIG deal if CHN team is not participating. Just imagine if any Grand Slam without Roger Federer and Rafal Nadal :rolleyes:

As a badminton fan, it matters less. In terms of skills, CHN team still has slightly edge against the rest of the world. Did u "wow" when u saw LD played against LCW? :eek:

[Cheung]

Well, looks NO team is going to the superseries if you believe the rumours of cancellation.

[OneToughBirdie]

As far as sponsorship is concerned, it's a BIG deal if CHN team is not participating. Just imagine if any Grand Slam without Roger Federer and Rafal Nadal :rolleyes:

As a badminton fan, it matters less. In terms of skills, CHN team still has slightly edge against the rest of the world. Did u "wow" when u saw LD played against LCW? :eek:
With no CHN participating, it is like a B rated movie (minus the major stars)being played, far less exciting to watch especially if fans are paying to watch. The game now needs TH, LCW and PG, and all the CHN stars.
As for CHN team still has slight edge over the rest of the world, on MS, XD and MD I might agree with you. In WS, WD, CHN still dominates.

[george@chongwei]

After last week's announcement that China would not participate in the Super Series finals, Korea, too, showed signs of wear from the recent heavy schedule in the badminton tour.

First, Korea's nine-member contingent that was registered for the Russian Open withdrew en masse. Then this week, the Badminton Korea Association announced the cancellation of the Korean Nationals, which were to have been held from December 12th to 15th. In addition, two other domestic tournaments were re-scheduled from January to August 2008.

Among the reasons cited for the changes were the hosting of two international tournaments in the space of two months. The Suwon International Challenge just finished on Sunday and the Korea Open Super Series event kicks off on January 22nd, 2008.

[jimbo]

Just curious, what is the consequence if the SS Final is cancelled? It doesnt carry OG08 points, so wats the big deal?;)

[Oldhand]

After last week's announcement that China would not participate in the Super Series finals, Korea, too, showed signs of wear from the recent heavy schedule in the badminton tour.

First, Korea's nine-member contingent that was registered for the Russian Open withdrew en masse. Then this week, the Badminton Korea Association announced the cancellation of the Korean Nationals, which were to have been held from December 12th to 15th. In addition, two other domestic tournaments were re-scheduled from January to August 2008.

Among the reasons cited for the changes were the hosting of two international tournaments in the space of two months. The Suwon International Challenge just finished on Sunday and the Korea Open Super Series event kicks off on January 22nd, 2008.
What's the source of this report? :confused:
Anyway, it doesn't say that Korea will not be participating in the SS Finals :)

I wonder if China's position will trigger a similar response from all the major badminton nations :( ... that will be quite unfortunate, to say the least.

[wilfredlgf]

Just curious, what is the consequence if the SS Final is cancelled? It doesnt carry OG08 points, so wats the big deal?;)It carries medals and financial rewards as well as bragging rights?

[Carbonexer]

Without CHN participation we all can expect fair game play with no nonsense bad line calls or stupid umpire. Hooray! :)

And no stupid comments by their stupid coach as well. :):) but not so lucky in OG so all better watch out. I expect it to be full of dirt from him. Judging from their preparations, I will not discount the coach from his usual filthy tricks just to win in OG. :mad:

[Cheung]

Sigh. What's the point of the above post if the superseries final is not even taking place?:rolleyes:

[chris-ccc]

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I assume that China will participate in the Super Series Finals if this event could be held after the Beijing Olympics 2008.

Does anybody know when and where the SS Finals will be rescheduled to ?
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[george@chongwei]

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I assume that China will participate in the Super Series Finals if this event could be held after the Beijing Olympics 2008.

Does anybody know when and where the SS Finals will be rescheduled to ?
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according to the BWF website, the SS final will be postponed to a date and venue to be determined later in 2008....

[shawn30_k]

It sound's like some poor organization of the event to me.

[chris-ccc]

It sound's like some poor organization of the event to me.



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Disagree here... BWF tried hard, in fact organised too many SS events, IMHO, for their first SS year of 2007.

It is the sponsorships and venues that are lacking, not that BWF wasn't trying.
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[koo_fan]

BWF.full of controversies.i suppose we can have a better BWF this year.
but..final ss is one of signals.we really need new peoples in BWF