After watching all the open series... after all the controversial judgement... or unfair treatment... etc etc...

all the badminton fans... are argueing, complaining, angry about the unfair.

I only have one question... very very simple question ....where's our truely honest sportsman? Where are they? For example, if I'm BCL, i realize those my shot r out, the umpire say in, I'll tell the umpire, it's out... or I'll just giv point to LCW to show that it's unfair (or wrong judgement). It's because I'll never feel happy if I win like this. How come BCL never did so? ???

I'm not only saying about china player, even if it's in Malaysia, when the shot is out, and if LCW saw that, but the umpire gav it as "IN", then if I'm LCW, i will also say the umpire is wrong...

this is really a big question in my mind... I'll never try to cheat in those badminton game... I will feel ashame if i won it wif other 'ppl' helping... how come they never feel ashame... how come no player is honest to say out the true... If i'm BCL, i won't want CH to walkover... maybe I'll walk for extra 10 km for replacement to be fair wif my next opponent... hahahahaha

just wondering.....

one thing for sure my friend is that this thread will be closed. Can't speak freely nowadays.............

After watching all the open series... after all the controversial judgement... or unfair treatment... etc etc...

all the badminton fans... are argueing, complaining, angry about the unfair.

I only have one question... very very simple question ....where's our truely honest sportsman? Where are they? For example, if I'm BCL, i realize those my shot r out, the umpire say in, I'll tell the umpire, it's out... or I'll just giv point to LCW to show that it's unfair (or wrong judgement). It's because I'll never feel happy if I win like this. How come BCL never did so? ???

I'm not only saying about china player, even if it's in Malaysia, when the shot is out, and if LCW saw that, but the umpire gav it as "IN", then if I'm LCW, i will also say the umpire is wrong...

this is really a big question in my mind... I'll never try to cheat in those badminton game... I will feel ashame if i won it wif other 'ppl' helping... how come they never feel ashame... how come no player is honest to say out the true... If i'm BCL, i won't want CH to walkover... maybe I'll walk for extra 10 km for replacement to be fair wif my next opponent... hahahahaha

just wondering.....

Even though I am disgusted with China's coach and officials, I think BAO would not have seen the shuttle going out coz he is on the other side. As for accepting the walkover, again it is not his call but probably the coach or somebody in the China camp.

one thing for sure my friend is that this thread will be closed. Can't speak freely nowadays.............

Actually i'm not talking about the unfair judgement... this is not something we can do about it..

i was talking about the players... this is about the attitude.. the honesty... maybe they will see this thread and be honest next time? hahaha :P "MAYBE" one of them will? :P or maybe there are some reason tat make them can't be honest?? or maybe nowadays.. humanbeings really become more n more 'ugly' ? :P

and maybe some of them have already done so? cos i hav heard my senior said he saw there r player who actually just simply serve a shuttle to net when the umpire make a wrong judgement and he think is unfair. He will give point to the opponent who r wrongly judged... i really wish to know who is the honest player...I hav seen in football, but badminton so far not yet..

Even though I am disgusted with China's coach and officials, I think BAO would not have seen the shuttle going out coz he is on the other side. As for accepting the walkover, again it is not his call but probably the coach or somebody in the China camp.

actually wat i think is, sometimes, we really can know the shuttle is in or out at the other side of the court, (when it's clearly out)...

You can't blame the players. They are under other people's control.

In any case, the world isn't nearly as fair as it should be.

IMO, tis thread will be closed after a while...

PETALING JAYA: National number one Lee Chong Wei failed to end a five-year drought for Malaysia in men's singles title at the China Open in Guangzhou yesterday.
He was beaten 13-21, 12-21 by China's Bao Chunlai in the final and the match was marred by disruptions on four occasions when Chong Wei questioned the line calls. He also got worked up when the umpire disallowed a clear tap at the net.
“I am not using these as excuses for my defeat today but I just feel that the line calls were indeed unfair,” said the world number two in a telephone interview from Guangzhou yesterday.
http://www.thestar.com.my/archives/2007/11/26/sports/chunlai.jpg Chunlai: Won his first Open title of the year in China.
“But this is a good practice for me. I know what to expect when China host the Olympic Games in Beijing next year as far as line judging is concerned.”
Although Chong Wei's rhythm was affected by the questionable calls, credit should be given to the lanky Chunlai, who played well to nail his first Open title of the year after finishing as the bridesmaid in four tournaments.
As for Chong Wei, he will be heading to Hong Kong to nail his fourth Super Series title. The tournament, which is the last leg of the 12-round series, begins on Wednesday.
“I am happy that I made it to my first final at the China Open. Now, I hope to continue with my good showing in Hong Kong,” he said.
Chong Wei is the second seed for the Hong Kong Open and he could face Chunlai in the semi-finals. In the same half with Chong Wei are Danes Peter Gade-Christensen and Kenneth Jonassen, Indonesian Simon Santoso and Malaysians Wong Choong Hann and Mohd Hafiz Hashim.

After watching all the open series... after all the controversial judgement... or unfair treatment... etc etc...

all the badminton fans... are argueing, complaining, angry about the unfair.

I only have one question... very very simple question ....where's our truely honest sportsman? Where are they? For example, if I'm BCL, i realize those my shot r out, the umpire say in, I'll tell the umpire, it's out... or I'll just giv point to LCW to show that it's unfair (or wrong judgement). It's because I'll never feel happy if I win like this. How come BCL never did so? ???

I'm not only saying about china player, even if it's in Malaysia, when the shot is out, and if LCW saw that, but the umpire gav it as "IN", then if I'm LCW, i will also say the umpire is wrong...

this is really a big question in my mind... I'll never try to cheat in those badminton game... I will feel ashame if i won it wif other 'ppl' helping... how come they never feel ashame... how come no player is honest to say out the true... If i'm BCL, i won't want CH to walkover... maybe I'll walk for extra 10 km for replacement to be fair wif my next opponent... hahahahaha

just wondering.....

That's only easy to say when you're playing as a free man. Like many has already stated before, the Chinese officials has high expectation from the players in exchange for their training and all honors received from their professions. The pressure of the mission they carry is probably far beyond your imagination.

I am not giving excuse for any unsportsmanships, but for Bao, it could be hard for him too.

And for all Malaysia's friends, perhaps if you can only use the same measuring standard when KKK/TBH　didn't notice the umpire for a foul call during FO07, you may have a second thought.

That's only easy to say when you're playing as a free man. Like many has already stated before, the Chinese officials has high expectation from the players in exchange for their training and all honors received from their professions. The pressure of the mission they carry is probably far beyond your imagination.

I am not giving excuse for any unsportsmanships, but for Bao, it could be hard for him too.

And for all Malaysia's friends, perhaps if you can only use the same measuring standard when KKK/TBH　didn't notice the umpire for a foul call during FO07, you may have a second thought.

yaya, tat's the most sad thing, as sports like badminton has become something like so ugly... because of pressure, expectation from the official and all the people.. because of the hard training... honors... they forgot themselves... or can say they 'are forced' to be like tat... not honest again.. no more sportsmanship... therefore, cannot blame the player also... maybe can only blame the system.. all the beautiful thing has lost....

PETALING JAYA: National number one Lee Chong Wei failed to end a five-year drought for Malaysia in men's singles title at the China Open in Guangzhou yesterday.
He was beaten 13-21, 12-21 by China's Bao Chunlai in the final and the match was marred by disruptions on four occasions when Chong Wei questioned the line calls. He also got worked up when the umpire disallowed a clear tap at the net.
“I am not using these as excuses for my defeat today but I just feel that the line calls were indeed unfair,” said the world number two in a telephone interview from Guangzhou yesterday.
http://www.thestar.com.my/archives/2007/11/26/sports/chunlai.jpg Chunlai: Won his first Open title of the year in China.
“But this is a good practice for me. I know what to expect when China host the Olympic Games in Beijing next year as far as line judging is concerned.”
Although Chong Wei's rhythm was affected by the questionable calls, credit should be given to the lanky Chunlai, who played well to nail his first Open title of the year after finishing as the bridesmaid in four tournaments.
As for Chong Wei, he will be heading to Hong Kong to nail his fourth Super Series title. The tournament, which is the last leg of the 12-round series, begins on Wednesday.
“I am happy that I made it to my first final at the China Open. Now, I hope to continue with my good showing in Hong Kong,” he said.
Chong Wei is the second seed for the Hong Kong Open and he could face Chunlai in the semi-finals. In the same half with Chong Wei are Danes Peter Gade-Christensen and Kenneth Jonassen, Indonesian Simon Santoso and Malaysians Wong Choong Hann and Mohd Hafiz Hashim.
What i don't understand is why coach Misbun did not prepare LCW mentally about playing in a smelly court.Is this LCW's first CO outing? A coach should always give his charge the worst scenario in terms of court conditions and discuss how the player could handle it. Once he has this mental preparation, he will be able to focus 100% ,come what court officials' rubbish.
Yes, I blame the coach. I expect Misbun to fully prepare LCW for worst scenario situations. Luckily he does not report to me!

What i don't understand is why coach Misbun did not prepare LCW mentally about playing in a smelly court.Is this LCW's first CO outing? A coach should always give his charge the worst scenario in terms of court conditions and discuss how the player could handle it. Once he has this mental preparation, he will be able to focus 100% ,come what court officials' rubbish.
Yes, I blame the coach. I expect Misbun to fully prepare LCW for worst scenario situations. Luckily he does not report to me!

Agree. Misbun should get LCW prepared for the most hostile reception in CHN, just like Thomas Cup in INA. I noticed that Misbun was very relaxed and calm when LCW raised his hands to protest. Misbun DID NOT rush into the court to join in the protest!!! If the coash is Mourihno or Arsene Wenger, I expect to see blood :eek::p

It could be a blessing in disguise for him/LCW to prepare for the OG, I hope so.

Agree. Misbun should get LCW prepared for the most hostile reception in CHN, just like Thomas Cup in INA. I noticed that Misbun was very relaxed and calm when LCW raised his hands to protest. Misbun DID NOT rush into the court to join in the protest!!! If the coash is Mourihno or Arsene Wenger, I expect to see blood :eek::p

It could be a blessing in disguise for him/LCW to prepare for the OG, I hope so.

and alex ferguson too...
hahahhahaa

actually, i don't think Bao can change the call because the rules are the judges make the final decision. But if its some 260kmh smash its hard for bao to know whether its in or out. On the other hand, the organizers should really use some technology already, seeing that nowadays players train their smash till such speeds, it might be tough for the naked eye don't you think?

That's a part game.

What i don't understand is why coach Misbun did not prepare LCW mentally about playing in a smelly court.Is this LCW's first CO outing? A coach should always give his charge the worst scenario in terms of court conditions and discuss how the player could handle it. Once he has this mental preparation, he will be able to focus 100% ,come what court officials' rubbish.
Yes, I blame the coach. I expect Misbun to fully prepare LCW for worst scenario situations. Luckily he does not report to me!

I'm sure Misbun already prepared LCW, but on the court its the player who needs to control his emotions.

Misbun fully prepared LCW during WC 2007 but LCW crumbled under pressure. That time Misbun said he felt his efforts gone into the dustbin. That's strong from cool and calm Misbun. Normally he doesnt like to say what he has done cos it's supposed to be secret.

Our MD didnt do well either but we dont blame Rexy, we blamed the players cos Rexy is the type who is more outspoken. AND he's a foreign coach, certain quarters feel he does so because he needs to show he's doing his job well, that his loyalty is to Malaysia as the coach.
Misbun is Malaysian,his loyalities are not in question.

A very good question indeed. 6 million dollar question.
Hmmm I wonder why I also dun call it in when its out. Any answer for this? Pressure? Anyone has the same dillemma? hehehe..
rgds

I'm sure Misbun already prepared LCW, but on the court its the player who needs to control his emotions.

Misbun fully prepared LCW during WC 2007 but LCW crumbled under pressure. That time Misbun said he felt his efforts gone into the dustbin. That's strong from cool and calm Misbun. Normally he doesnt like to say what he has done cos it's supposed to be secret.

Our MD didnt do well either but we dont blame Rexy, we blamed the players cos Rexy is the type who is more outspoken. AND he's a foreign coach, certain quarters feel he does so because he needs to show he's doing his job well, that his loyalty is to Malaysia as the coach.
Misbun is Malaysian,his loyalities are not in question.
Should I start a thread on 'Lessons for MAS coaches:Part 2'?
The real cause of LCW's WC07 problem has been identified and sorted out and since then he has been performing,hasn't he?
Why do some fans keep on raking up the past when it does not reflect the present?
Can't you observe trends and learn to move forward? Don't you think LCW's WC07 fiasco is a blessing in disguise?If that had not happened,LCW would still be bottling up what bothers him and not be able to focus 100% on court.If he can't be 100% playing ,he won't win titles;the difference is as simple as that.

I have a lot of respect for MAS coaches. If they were not good, MAS won't be showing breakthrough progress like now.What I'm saying is there are some little details in mental preparation that are crucial which may have been overlooked that cost MAS titles.MAS is really hot but there are some holes to patch up.
If MAS has the talent and guts to win 3 titles out of 5, why settle for 1?

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Kuala Lumpur and Petaling Jaya are totally different place...........

Should I start a thread on 'Lessons for MAS coaches:Part 2'?
The real cause of LCW's WC07 problem has been identified and sorted out and since then he has been performing,hasn't he?
Why do some fans keep on raking up the past when it does not reflect the present?
Can't you observe trends and learn to move forward? Don't you think LCW's WC07 fiasco is a blessing in disguise?If that had not happened,LCW would still be bottling up what bothers him and not be able to focus 100% on court.If he can't be 100% playing ,he won't win titles;the difference is as simple as that.

I have a lot of respect for MAS coaches. If they were not good, MAS won't be showing breakthrough progress like now.What I'm saying is there are some little details in mental preparation that are crucial which may have been overlooked that cost MAS titles.MAS is really hot but there are some holes to patch up.
If MAS has the talent and guts to win 3 titles out of 5, why settle for 1?


1) I was just replying to your post, wasnt raking up the past. WC 2007 was an example of the hard work Misbun put in, which he rarely talks about. In other words, defending Misbun, not degrading LCW.

Look again, you did say "I blame the coach." I happen to support LCW, so dont shoot me. LCW, as you also know, is a work in progress in the mental strength department. I'm very glad he's improving and hope he continues to improve.

2) It was also a comparision with Rexy. Rexy lets everyone know he doing this, doing that to boost our MD. They didnt do well in Japan and China. Were fingers pointed at him?
Normally, it's -"As their coach, I have done this and that to fully prepare them but they......" Understandably, Rexy is upset, difference is he lets everyone know, Misbun doesnt


My main point : How do you know Misbun didnt fully prepare LCW? Cos Misbun doesnt talk about the strategies he use to avoid opponents finding out. He said so in an interview with Berita Harian about 2 months ago.

Misbun's preparation has been effective enuf for LCW to win Japan and French Opens (with injured knee to boot). Let them continue to improve.
That includes Cheah Soon Kit and our improved WD.

Even though I am disgusted with China's coach and officials, I think BAO would not have seen the shuttle going out coz he is on the other side. As for accepting the walkover, again it is not his call but probably the coach or somebody in the China camp.
If BCL did not see clearly where the shuttle landed he should not have pointed out to the umpire that his shot was in.

I am not sure about his involvement on the walkover deal. What I do know is that judging from the look on his face immediately after the game tells me that he really thinks that he had beaten a 100% LCW with all 100% of his own ability.

Ha ha ha..... China will continue to do whatever it takes to win and you can say whatever you like because they are not shameful at all and they don't give a damm at all.

1) I was just replying to your post, wasnt raking up the past. WC 2007 was an example of the hard work Misbun put in, which he rarely talks about. In other words, defending Misbun, not degrading LCW.

Look again, you did say "I blame the coach." I happen to support LCW, so dont shoot me. LCW, as you also know, is a work in progress in the mental strength department. I'm very glad he's improving and hope he continues to improve.

2) It was also a comparision with Rexy. Rexy lets everyone know he doing this, doing that to boost our MD. They didnt do well in Japan and China. Were fingers pointed at him?
Normally, it's -"As their coach, I have done this and that to fully prepare them but they......" Understandably, Rexy is upset, difference is he lets everyone know, Misbun doesnt


My main point : How do you know Misbun didnt fully prepare LCW? Cos Misbun doesnt talk about the strategies he use to avoid opponents finding out. He said so in an interview with Berita Harian about 2 months ago.

Misbun's preparation has been effective enuf for LCW to win Japan and French Opens (with injured knee to boot). Let them continue to improve.
That includes Cheah Soon Kit and our improved WD.
Let me clarify that both Rexy and Misbun are fantastic coaches in their own right in terms of the badminton aspects.I'm just inferring from the way MAS MDs fall to lesser opponents as an indication that some aspects are lacking. Mental preparations are crucial because they determine the physical delivery.And this kind of mental prep. is not the type you see a shrink for.
The fact that LCW seemed surprised by the number of bad calls against him and getting distracted suggests that this problem has not been prepared for.LCW encountered a lesser problem last year in HKO.He hasn't learnt and it's Misbun's job to remind LCW that the moment he wastes his energy with the umpire, his concentration would be disturbed and with it,his A game.( This has nothing to do with mental strength which LCW has more than sufficient. It's the kind of concentration tennis players require;that's why tennis players won't start play if spectators are still moving.)
I posted on this in the Finals day thread so you can check it out if you like.
I may be wrong but if they have discussed the horrific environment that LCW is going to be in and how he should handle it with no damage to his focus, LCW can be immune to umpire, linesmen and sj attacks.Of course it also means LCW has to play at 110% to allow for bad calls.This is what I mean by mental prep.LCW becomes so mentally well prepared for the smelliest conditions he will not be surprised or upset so he can go about his business as usual.(When i have more time, I may start that thread)
Oh, by the way, LCW should expect at least 3 bad calls in his HKO matches as well.

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Kuala Lumpur and Petaling Jaya are totally different place...........
He has two houses at least.

After watching all the open series... after all the controversial judgement... or unfair treatment... etc etc...

all the badminton fans... are argueing, complaining, angry about the unfair.

I only have one question... very very simple question ....where's our truely honest sportsman? Where are they? For example, if I'm BCL, i realize those my shot r out, the umpire say in, I'll tell the umpire, it's out... or I'll just giv point to LCW to show that it's unfair (or wrong judgement). It's because I'll never feel happy if I win like this. How come BCL never did so? ???

I'm not only saying about china player, even if it's in Malaysia, when the shot is out, and if LCW saw that, but the umpire gav it as "IN", then if I'm LCW, i will also say the umpire is wrong...

this is really a big question in my mind... I'll never try to cheat in those badminton game... I will feel ashame if i won it wif other 'ppl' helping... how come they never feel ashame... how come no player is honest to say out the true... If i'm BCL, i won't want CH to walkover... maybe I'll walk for extra 10 km for replacement to be fair wif my next opponent... hahahahaha

just wondering.....
kinda hypocritical aren't you saying other people are whining and complaining while u r doing the same thing.

I think LCW would have expected the bad calls but not to that extent. Misbun should have come out to calm LCW down when LCW was arguing with the umpire but he didn't. Anyway, I believe they will handle these situations much better in Beijing next year. Who knows, this could be a blessing in disguise like some of us said.

As LCW said, this match is a lesson and indeed an eye opener, that everyone (all non-CHN players, coaches and officials) should know what to expect in future... esp. in the OLY '08.

As LCW said, this match is a lesson and indeed an eye opener, that everyone (all non-CHN players, coaches and officials) should know what to expect in future... esp. in the OLY '08.

I am quite sure they will be using neutral officials, at least the umpire and service judge, during th OG08. Just hope that the umpire can be firm and spot any biased line calls.:cool:

If BCL did not see clearly where the shuttle landed he should not have pointed out to the umpire that his shot was in.

I am not sure about his involvement on the walkover deal. What I do know is that judging from the look on his face immediately after the game tells me that he really thinks that he had beaten a 100% LCW with all 100% of his own ability.

Ha ha ha..... China will continue to do whatever it takes to win and you can say whatever you like because they are not shameful at all and they don't give a damm at all.

If I were BCL, I would not jump up so high to show my happiness. I would be happy but feel sad at the same time because I miss the real opportunity to win on my own.

Here is the link to recap the controversial call -
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4afdd7f301000b4u.html

I'm not sure that China wants to risk own reputation for small badminton gain. So far this year they had won about 2-3 first places in each tournament with world class players. Why they need to cheat on one more match like the one between LCW and BCL? You could argue that because they did not want to lose face in light of XXF's loss. It's possible, but it's not worth it.

I would tend to think the problems at that match was less intentional, maybe more due to bad training of judges and linemen. It's a difficult job to judge whether a shuttle is in and out. It's not exact science, rather human intervention of half truth and half imagination. As told by some, there might be one or two bad calls. The other ones were just questionable (although they might look more in favor of BCL). In matches, lineman usually will called one questionable shuttle in and the other one out to make things evenly compensated to the same player so they won't say the officials are against them. This case could be a little different and definitely Chinese organizers need to do a better job in training their staffs and to appear even-handed for tournaments in China.

I gave a lot credit to LCW for not walking out on the match. That's real good sportsmanship. Players have nothing against each other. They do their battle on court. But at the end of day, they know win or lose is not that important to them with so many tournaments around, and they know winning is not sure thing every time and it mostly depends on their performance in the match on that day. Badminton is not like tennis, where one player wins tournament after tournament. I would say LCW's playing had been superb lately. LCW deserves to be #1 ranking in the World. In the MS Final, BCL just happened to surprise everyone with his unusual performance. It's a match where both players tried their best. There will be many more matches between them in the future. I don't think we should care one match that much. Let's enjoy the show instead.

......The fact that LCW seemed surprised by the number of bad calls against him and getting distracted suggests that this problem has not been prepared for.LCW encountered a lesser problem last year in HKO.He hasn't learnt and it's Misbun's job to remind LCW that the moment he wastes his energy with the umpire, his concentration would be disturbed and with it,his A game.( This has nothing to do with mental strength which LCW has more than sufficient. It's the kind of concentration tennis players require;that's why tennis players won't start play if spectators are still moving.)
I posted on this in the Finals day thread so you can check it out if you like.
I may be wrong but if they have discussed the horrific environment that LCW is going to be in and how he should handle it with no damage to his focus, LCW can be immune to umpire, linesmen and sj attacks.Of course it also means LCW has to play at 110% to allow for bad calls.This is what I mean by mental prep.LCW becomes so mentally well prepared for the smelliest conditions he will not be surprised or upset so he can go about his business as usual.(When i have more time, I may start that thread)
Oh, by the way, LCW should expect at least 3 bad calls in his HKO matches as well.

Oh? LCW didnt expect that after knowing the Korean MD walked out in QF? And the Thai XD pair who were also upset in Semis? Peter Gade match against Chen Jin? They not sufficiently prepared too? ;)

I thought he purposely made a fuss and purposely gave up cos he knows its unfair. Anyway,that's what I would have done, just to make a statement on the unfair line judging- pretend to be effected/angry but in fact I'm wasnt really bothered, he he. Let Li Yong Bo and the whole China armada think I'm mentally weak.
But that's crafty ol me, it works in the workplace, puts the "opponents" off guard to your true abilities. One China Open is nothing compared to Olympics.

AND of course many already mentioned - Taufik would have walked off the court, might get angry and throw racket too. Would he also be regarded not sufficiently prepared?

As LCW said, this match is a lesson and indeed an eye opener, that everyone (all non-CHN players, coaches and officials) should know what to expect in future... esp. in the OLY '08.
You are correct.........;)

As LCW said, this match is a lesson and indeed an eye opener, that everyone (all non-CHN players, coaches and officials) should know what to expect in future... esp. in the OLY '08.
you can kind of expect that going into any tournament, regardless if it's in china or england (as an example).

..okay, i've read through the locked threads surrounding the hotly debated discussion on the bad/poor line/net calls esp. in the MS Finals (yes, including the transcription posts that Inky2000 shared with us, which came from a China-based source). And from what i've read, IMO, the post by Birdwood, above, seems to be one of the most well-reasoned one, esp. on the notion of CHN preparing/training their linesmen better. And yes, from what i saw (and remember in that MS Final match) i can understand what LCW and most, if not, all of the M'sian BC supporters & fans are feeling about those calls.
I'll just say this:
To be fair to LCW and all of the BC M'sian supporters/fans, and to an extent to the organizer, and even to badminton fans in general, those calls **could've** been called better. But let's just hope from this experience, all the parties involved will learn something and will correct whatever shortcomings, errors, blunders there may be. If need be, the 2008 OG organizer can use non-China based linejudges or umpires, which i believe, in the BWF website they are already offering some open spots for the linejudging duties. In hope in the future, esp. in next yr's OG, the calls **will** be called better and we don't have to go through and see these "negative" discussions again..:):cool:

He has two houses at least.

nono, hahahahaha... i work in kl, live at pj... :P
so i got two location... :P
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Oh? LCW didnt expect that after knowing the Korean MD walked out in QF? And the Thai XD pair who were also upset in Semis? Peter Gade match against Chen Jin? They not sufficiently prepared too? ;)

I thought he purposely made a fuss and purposely gave up cos he knows its unfair. Anyway,that's what I would have done, just to make a statement on the unfair line judging- pretend to be effected/angry but in fact I'm wasnt really bothered, he he. Let Li Yong Bo and the whole China armada think I'm mentally weak.
But that's crafty ol me, it works in the workplace, puts the "opponents" off guard to your true abilities. One China Open is nothing compared to Olympics.

AND of course many already mentioned - Taufik would have walked off the court, might get angry and throw racket too. Would he also be regarded not sufficiently prepared?


after repeatedly seen the video of all the 'suspected' unfair judgement... from here..http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4afdd7f301000b4u.html
I realize it's really unfair to bcl and lcw both of them.... ppl can say how hard bcl trained.... all the pressure is at him to win.. so he cannot be so 'honest' or so 'sportsmanship'.. but actually lcw is also train so hard for tat moment, for tat tournament... for bcl, maybe he also doesn't hope to win like this... who knows?... for lcw... he is just feel too disappointed until become smile in his face... as he hav to laugh by tat funny judgement... hahaa.... if I'm LCW, I will hit all the shuttle back to the opponent court no matter how 'out' the shuttle is, even reach those spectator area, i'll still climb up to hit, so tat the linesman won't hav any chance to say "in".... hahahahahaa :D:D:D:D:D:D

i didn't mean to create any controversy here, didn't wan anybody to feel angry or bad... i know this things also happen in other country, other sports... this is nothing we can do, as we said, there's no such a fair thing in this world, and humanbeings r actually quite ugly, hehe tat's true... I don't hav chance to join those big tournament or didn't trained so hard for those big tournament... if one day it happened to me, i'm really not sure wat i will do too..... some more the prize money is... hehehehee....:p:p:p:p:D:D:D:D:D

to china frens, when this thing happen in malaysia, i also feel very ashame of wat our referee do, last time when lcw play againsts china player, i forgot is who ald :P.... so i really didn't blame anybody... really....haha... :p:p:p:p

Hmm Birdword has a point.
Because badminton still rely solely on line judges, there will always be a controversy as human being tends to err & be partial.
Nevertheless, it's an irony to think that with this so-called advantage China only came thru' with 2 titles in the CO 07 whereas for the past months, they have won more on neutral ground.

[quote=jimbo;731965]If the coash is Mourihno or Arsene Wenger, I expect to see blood :eek::p

If the coach is Mike Tyson, I expect......:D:p

[quote=jimbo;731965]If the coash is Mourihno or Arsene Wenger, I expect to see blood :eek::p

If the coach is Mike Tyson, I expect......:D:p

Mike Tyson ah... expect teeth and ear and ... everywhere... hehehehehe

Nevertheless, it's an irony to think that with this so-called advantage China only came thru' with 2 titles in the CO 07 whereas for the past months, they have won more on neutral ground.

I agree that Chinese players did poorly this time on their own soil. It could provide some motives there. But they know the whole world is watching.

It also shows how inconsistent and unpredictable a player can be. Compared to LCW, LD needs to have more variations and skills in his game to stay on the top. Some weight would help XXF to be better fit to fight a prolonged match. She looks too thin.

if i were lcw, i would walk out and not finish the game. why bother? Just do what the korean did, walked out and let the desperate chinese win.

I think Taufik would do that without hesitation... and I would think LCW would have also done the same but there might have been some hesitation due to everyone watching.

if i were lcw, i would walk out and not finish the game. why bother? Just do what the korean did, walked out and let the desperate chinese win.

They would be fined by BWF.. like what TH did last time. And if they do so.. they might lose precious Olympic points.

They would be fined by BWF.. like what TH did last time. And if they do so.. they might lose precious Olympic points.
Yep..also Referee should learn how to communicate to players, not like the one in HKO...:(

They would be fined by BWF.. like what TH did last time. And if they do so.. they might lose precious Olympic points.

Olyimpic points were not an issue anymore cause LCW would never win with that kind of line and umpire judging.

If i were LCW, I would rather be fined by bwf than seeing BCL jumping around like he really has won at championsip point. :rolleyes:

I don't think you could say that LCW or the Koreans were unsporting by walking out.

Yes, Taufik case was a "little" unsportmanship cause it was the first line error and i think it was not deliberate but LCW's was many deliberate intentional bad line judging to favour BCL!

Olyimpic points were not an issue anymore cause LCW would never win with that kind of line and umpire judging.

If i were LCW, I would rather be fined by bwf than seeing BCL jumping around like he really has won at championsip point. :rolleyes:

I don't think you could say that LCW or the Koreans were unsporting by walking out.

Yes, Taufik case was a "little" unsportmanship cause it was the first line error and i think it was not deliberate but LCW's was many deliberate intentional bad line judging to favour BCL!

100% agree. If you don't protest, they will do it again and again, BWF won't take it seriously.
Simply WO will send a strong signal to BWF. CH can WO to BCL in QF because CH said he is not feeling well. LCW also can say he is not feeling well after so many unfair calls (mentally illness?). If CH can WO, why can't LCW?