Last chance for Hafiz (By Misbun) [Archive] - Badminton Central Discussion Forums

Jessica

11-26-2007, 05:32 AM

After witness Wong Mew Choo effort,Hafiz should realise that nothing is impossible to achieve in this world as long as you work hard and try your very best.Firstly,he must change his lazy attitude on court and fight for every point.If WMC can do it,he also can do it.This is also the last chance i give to him,if he fail again,i will never mention this person again in the future.

alfa-2

11-26-2007, 05:54 AM

s1nn3r

11-26-2007, 06:03 AM

He has..............

more lethal smashes than LCW,
better physical structure of a body than LCW,
more handsome than LCW,

What has been lacking of him these few years is just some real determination to win. Yes, it's the hunger to win. For the glory or the money..............:D:D:D
Wait till he finish all the money he got from wining All England… He will come out like a Hungry Tiger! "POOR MAN ANGER"

alfa-2

11-26-2007, 06:20 AM

Wait till he finish all the money he got from wining All England… He will come out like a Hungry Tiger! "POOR MAN ANGER"
hehhehe...........when that time comes he can beat LCW with his left hand..............:D:D:D

shocic

11-26-2007, 06:24 AM

i think he will regret Misbun again, now is chances for those new blood. Hafiz is history!!:)

alfa-2

11-26-2007, 06:27 AM

can't do anything about him though...........he is from private club, not BAM.

PlayaFromMalaya

11-26-2007, 07:25 AM

i predict he will fail....seriously..simon will win..

zqloy

11-26-2007, 08:44 AM

Yup, hopeful he will learn a thing or two from Mew Choo. Stop being a sissy and fight!

fastdrop

11-26-2007, 09:05 AM

i think he will regret Misbun again, now is chances for those new blood. Hafiz is history!!:)

I don't think Hafiz is history. He is in too much pressure that his eagerness to win has turned against him. I saw him play recently and I noticed a great improvement. The problem is wrapping up the game. He seemed to have lost the confidence to do so.
I still believe he can shine, maybe not as a champion outright but he will be in the semi finals at the very least.

To Hafiz: Don't let your eagerness to win work against you, use it to inspire you.:)

markchan

11-26-2007, 11:37 AM

He has..............

more lethal smashes than LCW,
better physical structure of a body than LCW,
more handsome than LCW,

What has been lacking of him these few years is just some real determination to win. Yes, it's the hunger to win. For the glory or the money..............:D:D:D

I think he does not have the staying ability/stamina as LCW or WMC. I always see him wasted in the second /third sets.

chibe_K

11-26-2007, 07:08 PM

Poor Hafiz. If I were him, I would protest and walk away from the tournament.

Xinguy

11-26-2007, 10:51 PM

Haiyo hafiz wat happen to u:crying: come morn do your best:(

OneToughBirdie

11-26-2007, 11:33 PM

yyclub

11-26-2007, 11:44 PM

Hafiz will bounce back, just that can Misbun wait for him or not.

Jessica

11-26-2007, 11:45 PM

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If I am you, I would not say so fast...:D
OK then...Wish him good luck in this tournament.:D

OneToughBirdie

11-27-2007, 12:47 AM

OK then...Wish him good luck in this tournament.:D
That is a smart girl.:D

shocic

11-27-2007, 03:12 AM

I don't think Hafiz is history. He is in too much pressure that his eagerness to win has turned against him. I saw him play recently and I noticed a great improvement. The problem is wrapping up the game. He seemed to have lost the confidence to do so.
I still believe he can shine, maybe not as a champion outright but he will be in the semi finals at the very least.

To Hafiz: Don't let your eagerness to win work against you, use it to inspire you.:)

As everyone know he such as YOYO player, improvement?!! i cant see any! Performance not big different in this few years, even worst!!:p Maybe i already lost confidence on Hafiz, but i hope he could ROCK again. Malaysia Boleh!! :cool:

xymaerts

11-27-2007, 03:49 AM

No way for Hafiz to win tomorrow... Misbun must think what to do on him next..

pjswift

11-27-2007, 03:59 AM

No way for Hafiz to win tomorrow... Misbun must think what to do on him next..
Is this RP? (reverse psychology)

s1nn3r

11-27-2007, 04:51 AM

No way for Hafiz to win tomorrow... Misbun must think what to do on him next..
There is always last-last chance for a Mohammed… The Last of the Mohammed! Pity him carried the country's Mohammed reputation and expectaion, is so heavy after he earns milions from his AE days.

kwun

11-27-2007, 04:53 AM

Prior to China Open, Misbun gave Hafiz 2 more chances to shine. He failed to pass Park in R2!!! Lets see if Misbun will keep his promise and ground Hafiz. Whats ur views? :rolleyes:

what exactly does "grounding" entail? not able to play international tournament for a few months? or kicked out of the national team all together?

s1nn3r

11-27-2007, 04:58 AM

what exactly does "grounding" entail? not able to play international tournament for a few months? or kicked out of the national team all together?
I think what misbun means is that, he will pass HH to another coach maybe TAT MENG? To spare with MEW CHOO :p

george@chongwei

11-27-2007, 06:24 AM

I think what misbun means is that, he will pass HH to another coach maybe TAT MENG? To spare with MEW CHOO :p
the fonts....:confused::confused::eek:;):rolleyes::rol leyes::eek::D:o:(

nwy5633

11-27-2007, 06:31 AM

I think what misbun means is that, he will pass HH to another coach maybe TAT MENG? To spare with MEW CHOO :p
then mew choo can learn from hafiz..
hafiz onli skill to get mark..
cross court slice or wat, i duno the name..
hafiz juz keep on doing tat for pts..
smash to the front side line..

george@chongwei

11-27-2007, 06:32 AM

izit the last time we can see HH in action if he lost to SS 2moro?

jimbo

11-27-2007, 06:34 AM

what exactly does "grounding" entail? not able to play international tournament for a few months? or kicked out of the national team all together?

kwun,
it simply means to disallow him to participate in International tourneys unless he is proven otherwise. In soccer, if the player is not fit, he will be benched regardless of the "status" (superstar).

I think it will motivate the player to play better as soon as the grounded is lifted.

Han

11-27-2007, 11:36 AM

kwun,
it simply means to disallow him to participate in International tourneys unless he is proven otherwise. In soccer, if the player is not fit, he will be benched regardless of the "status" (superstar).

I think it will motivate the player to play better as soon as the grounded is lifted.

For Hafiz case, as long as he put up a good fight, we should put few more chances for him. It's hard to make judgment solely base on result as with Hafiz current ranking, he mostly will face top notch player in early round.
In Hong Kong Open, he will play against Simon Santoso follow by Jonassen, if he fail again to beat this 2 players then ... ? I can see dilemma in Misbun and BAM as Olympic is approaching, as much as I reluctant to do, let Hafif play thru next year until qualification for Olympic period expires and if he still emerge as Malaysia #2 MS in ranking then he go. We don't really have much choice, is Choon Hann, Lee Tsuen Seng, "Kwun whatever", Ayub really better than Hafiz?
I am sure many will disagree with me(even I have doubt myself), but let him play thru until Olympic qualification period and if he's not good enough then he won't go and then she should stay home to spar with Chong Wei.

jimbo

11-27-2007, 12:18 PM

In Hong Kong Open, he will play against Simon Santoso follow by Jonassen, if he fail again to beat this 2 players then ... ? I can see dilemma in Misbun and BAM as Olympic is approaching, as much as I reluctant to do, let Hafif play thru next year until qualification for Olympic period expires and if he still emerge as Malaysia #2 MS in ranking then he go. We don't really have much choice, is Choon Hann, Lee Tsuen Seng, "Kwun whatever", Ayub really better than Hafiz?

There's a saying "If a tiger's back at wall, he will jump over it". Obviously, YoYo has slumped since AE03 yet not grounded. In fact, he still enjoys all the perks to participate in international tourneys and ended up casualty in EARLY ROUNDS. Times n times, BAM/Misbun has given him numerous chances to prove his worth, and yet he lost to unranked players :rolleyes: I'm not asking BAM/Misbun to sack him, but to "ground" him for months. I believe that will create the hunger within Yoyo.

The sad thing is that no other Msia players can challenge him as 2nd best player. Yes, dats very disheartening to hear where Msia is a Badminton Powerhouse :(

K Genetics

11-27-2007, 03:03 PM

samuel882

11-27-2007, 03:16 PM

eaglehelang

11-27-2007, 05:40 PM

I am really wondering why HH deserved so many talks & discussion here.
For me, he is a history
Players like YKB/TBH/K.Yogendran who all delivered nothing for MAS Badminton should be kicked out from MAS NAtional team along with HH. They has been given so many years of chances to perform , still they went home empty handed. This is about time for BAM to do something.
Furthermore, all those players will be hopeless for challenging OG medals or even qualifying on that games.

TBH?? He's the current AG Champ and World No 1 with KKK. They definetely wont kick him out. I think you meant Kuan Beng Hong or whatever his new name is = KBH. Yeoh KB is the better of the 3 in terms of results. Sea Games is Kuan BH's last chance I think.

And again, Hafiz is with Nusa Mahsuri not BAM, his club can choose to send him to any tournament they like. So he can continue playing but representing the country in team events is another thing altogether.

Next year's Thomas Cup - who will be the 2nd & 3rd singles? Any candidates that's near the standard of LCW? LeeTS is about the closest. WCH, the faithful old horse, has fighting spirit but hasnt been performing well of late. Roslin is another veteran.

xymaerts

11-27-2007, 11:59 PM

Congratulation to u... Anymore, hope u will no stop at round2 tomorrow..

ye333

11-28-2007, 01:00 AM

Talking about Thomas cup, in fact WCH may be the best choice. WCH has beaten BCL this year, and has two very very close matches against CJ. Others, HH, KBH, YKB, can anyone imagine they not losing miserably against BCL or CJ? :D

TBH?? He's the current AG Champ and World No 1 with KKK. They definetely wont kick him out. I think you meant Kuan Beng Hong or whatever his new name is = KBH. Yeoh KB is the better of the 3 in terms of results. Sea Games is Kuan BH's last chance I think.

And again, Hafiz is with Nusa Mahsuri not BAM, his club can choose to send him to any tournament they like. So he can continue playing but representing the country in team events is another thing altogether.

Next year's Thomas Cup - who will be the 2nd & 3rd singles? Any candidates that's near the standard of LCW? LeeTS is about the closest. WCH, the faithful old horse, has fighting spirit but hasnt been performing well of late. Roslin is another veteran.

george@chongwei

11-28-2007, 01:01 AM

the yoyo man cleared the 1st round n 2moro will play against KJ

xymaerts

11-28-2007, 01:40 AM

Should call him the "earlier exit man"

the yoyo man cleared the 1st round n 2moro will play against KJ

KlasseE

11-28-2007, 02:39 AM

the trend of future bmt = footwork + stamina

Xinguy

11-28-2007, 02:59 AM

Poor hafiz come morn u can do it i believe in you prove them wrong hafiz come morn hafiz...

KlasseE

11-28-2007, 03:08 AM

Poor hafiz come morn u can do it i believe in you prove them wrong hafiz come morn hafiz...
HH is much better than KJ
he can make it for sure

Simoneolivelli

11-28-2007, 03:08 AM

Hafiz took the match against Santoso, in two straight sets.
And now?
Whad does Misbun think?
Shall HH win another match in HK open?

kwun

11-28-2007, 03:17 AM

Hafiz is still alive. at least he got through Simon.

Simoneolivelli

11-28-2007, 03:24 AM

One question for you:

Hafiz is shy?

xymaerts

11-28-2007, 03:26 AM

Win also look like lost.. Hafiz.. give some confident for yourself... Hope u won't exit tomorrow.. Is all for your own good..hahaha

Hafiz is still alive. at least he got through Simon.

Xinguy

11-28-2007, 03:26 AM

all rite that great come morn slowly climb thru round by round u can do it hafiz come morn...

Simoneolivelli

11-28-2007, 03:29 AM

In the photo Hafiz seems sad and shy?
Why?

robin7

11-28-2007, 03:29 AM

In the photo Hafiz seems sad and shy?
Why?
He won't smile till he reaches QF.

s1nn3r

11-28-2007, 03:35 AM

He won't smile till he reaches QF.

The Wrath Face of the Poor!

kwun

11-28-2007, 03:43 AM

not sure if shy is the right word.

but even though he won the match, it didn't show much fighting spirit. just the usual laid back style of the normal Hafiz.

KlasseE

11-28-2007, 03:46 AM

HH must be exhauted....not easy to play with simon's style

s1nn3r

11-28-2007, 05:45 AM

HH must be exhauted....not easy to play with simon's style

I bet HH will be the champion this time..

jimbo

11-28-2007, 07:25 AM

I didnt expect him to survive today by beating Simon :eek: but he did it. Lets not get carried away coz he is Mr. Yoyo :rolleyes:

jasonmarc

11-28-2007, 07:58 AM

I bet HH will be the champion this time..

Brother....still tooooooooo early to dream lah...:D:D...if he could past QF is consider ....out standing already..;);)...and i'll be very happy

ants

11-28-2007, 01:02 PM

Hope he will beat KJ today..

ye333

11-28-2007, 01:55 PM

Then shame on Simon! Beaten by a "laid-back" HH! :D

If HH is mind-strong, body-fit, with fighting spirit, he should be able to beat KJ in two games. Otherwise he may be crashed by the never-say-die old man.

not sure if shy is the right word.

but even though he won the match, it didn't show much fighting spirit. just the usual laid back style of the normal Hafiz.

BlaZe

11-28-2007, 01:59 PM

HH is much better than KJ
he can make it for sure

actually KJ has a good record against HH

bananakid

11-28-2007, 02:37 PM

Come on Hafiz!!!!!!!!!!:cool: Just win one more match tomorrow against KJ, then you can go back to be Mr. YoYo again without any worries for a while!!!:p

Simoneolivelli

11-28-2007, 02:47 PM

Why Mr YoYo is the nickname of HH?

samuel882

11-28-2007, 03:58 PM

IMO, many underestimate KJ, this old folks often reached at least QF stages in SS and his WR is still in TOP 8 blankets. Not much has been mentioned about him...

Han

11-28-2007, 04:04 PM

IMO, many underestimate KJ, this old folks often reached at least QF stages in SS and his WR is still in TOP 8 blankets. Not much has been mentioned about him...

That's because we don't have that many Danish member in this forum, ...

stork

11-28-2007, 04:23 PM

Hafiz? :D

http://sporten.tv2.dk/article.php/id-9534782.html

short clip of kj´s win today, for those who understand dansk or just for watching tv. :)

X Ball

11-28-2007, 06:46 PM

Hafiz Hashim, remember his name coz he will 'burn' KJ today. I predict after today one has to say he is back.

Han

11-28-2007, 07:01 PM

Hafiz Hashim, remember his name coz he will 'burn' KJ today. I predict after today one has to say he is back.

We've been trying to find this opportunity to say that for years, finally comes today, errr, will come today :D:D:D

eaglehelang

11-28-2007, 07:28 PM

Why Mr YoYo is the nickname of HH?

Hafiz is likened to a yoyo, you know, the one with the long string that we play with as a kid? Or you were high tech kid?

Yoyo swings back and forth, one end to the other, much like Hafiz. He beat strong opponents one day, lost to unheralded ones the next. His performance is unpredictable.

Xinguy

11-28-2007, 08:17 PM

Oic now i know why hafiz is being called the yoyo, hafiz come morn a few more round to go i am sure u can do it come morn hafiz repeat history agian like wat u have done 2003 all england...

danielwong

11-28-2007, 09:09 PM

HH beat KJ today, ok
tomoro yo yo never mind
but if RTM got live
play until semi ler
long time never see u play live...jkekekeke.........

indra

11-28-2007, 09:32 PM

HH is a living legend in the badminton history....

cooler

11-28-2007, 09:44 PM

HH is a living legend in the badminton history....if that is the case, as a TH fan yourself, what do call TH?

a _____________ in the badminton history. (fill in the blank)

AlfredEarn

11-28-2007, 09:48 PM

if that is the case, as a TH fan yourself, what do call TH?

a _____________ in the badminton history. (fill in the blank)

who is TH?
you mean Thailand?

indra

11-28-2007, 10:07 PM

who is TH?
you mean Thailand?

TH is not Thailand, TH stands forTafiz Hasim:D

kokcheng

11-28-2007, 10:10 PM

Hafiz definitely adds colour to the world of badminton.He has an army of critics as well as fans.His games are always full of surprises and surely never boring to all.At his worst none of the back-up players in Mas can defeat him.How I wish he continues to play as well as he beats Simon Santoso and goes all the way to wrest the HK SS title.Why not,WMC got it in Guanzou?This will really make my day.

gidong

11-28-2007, 10:14 PM

Hafiz will make it to da FINAL in HK OPEN this time ... believe it or not hehehe

indra

11-28-2007, 10:17 PM

if that is the case, as a TH fan yourself, what do call TH?

a _____________ in the badminton history. (fill in the blank)

"most-awaited and watched player"

cooler

11-28-2007, 10:22 PM

who is TH?
you mean Thailand?indra was just playing coy, he knows who's TH, taufik is indra #1 die hard fan. He even cheers for him when TH goes to the washroom:p

cooler

11-28-2007, 10:25 PM

"most-awaited and watched player"of course since winning a title comes once in a blue moon:p

Sorry taufik, Indra made me do it:D

indra

11-28-2007, 10:27 PM

of course since wins a title once in a blue moon:p

Sorry taufik, Indra made me do it:D

You pick PL or TH for the tomorrow match?

indra

11-28-2007, 10:29 PM

You pick PL or TH for the tomorrow match?

Sorry, You pick LD or TH for the tomorrow match?

cooler

11-28-2007, 10:38 PM

Sorry, You pick LD or TH for the tomorrow match?
hmmm, i'll pick opposite what u pick just to keep it fun:p

Simoneolivelli

11-29-2007, 06:04 AM

Hafiz lost in a bad manner.
Now, what will it happen?
Can't he play other SS for Malesyan Team?

Explain me.

pjswift

11-29-2007, 06:12 AM

Hafiz lost in a bad manner.
Now, what will it happen?
Can't he play other SS for Malesyan Team?

Explain me.
Have you seen him play? Is he worth keeping?

alfa-2

11-29-2007, 06:22 AM

Hafiz Hashim, remember his name coz he will 'burn' KJ today. I predict after today one has to say he is back.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D yeah 'burn' his own **s...........

alfa-2

11-29-2007, 06:23 AM

if that is the case, as a TH fan yourself, what do call TH?

a _____________ in the badminton history. (fill in the blank)

HaHa.....:D:D:D:D

alfa-2

11-29-2007, 06:24 AM

TH is not Thailand, TH stands forTafiz Hasim:D

hahhahahah...............LOL.....im laughing like............WAKAKKAKAKAKKA :D:D:D:D Tafiz Hashim............Haufik Hidayat............

rubydan

11-29-2007, 06:27 AM

hahhahahah...............LOL.....im laughing like............WAKAKKAKAKAKKA :D:D:D:D Tafiz Hashim............Haufik Hidayat............
haha:D:D..TH stand 4 Taufik Hidayat kan...

s1nn3r

11-29-2007, 06:28 AM

TH = Tau Hu

betul?

X Ball

11-29-2007, 06:29 AM

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D yeah 'burn' his own **s...........

Alfa-2 you got too much hang ups on Hafiz. I don't -- I back him and I dump him if he does not perform. No big deal for me. If he performs again later, I will be back supporting him again. Comprehendo ?;)

george@chongwei

11-29-2007, 06:31 AM

HaHa.....:D:D:D:D
Haiz:o:o:o....Haiz...:o:(:(
:D:D:D

alfa-2

11-29-2007, 06:32 AM

Alfa-2 you got too much hang ups on Hafiz. I don't -- I back him and I dump him if he does not perform. No big deal for me. If he performs again later, I will be back supporting him again. Comprehendo ?;)

yeah whatever................:D:D:D so will we be seeing HH again??

Simoneolivelli

11-29-2007, 06:34 AM

Answer me no, eh?

rubydan

11-29-2007, 06:34 AM

yeah whatever................:D:D:D so will we be seeing HH again??
no i guess....:(:o:(:o

X Ball

11-29-2007, 06:36 AM

yeah whatever................:D:D:D so will we be seeing HH again??

Anyway, there are no more tournaments for this year and so HH can rot for all Misbun care. HH will get lost for a while now coz he will be wondering what he will do next. If I were him I would use the next month or so to do lots of gym work, road running, rope skipping instead of hanging out with friends. And then come next year, try to win favours with Misbun for a player position again.

Simoneolivelli

11-29-2007, 06:40 AM

Why didn't HH train hard?
Doesn't he give importance to badminton, in these years?

When i see him in photo after his matches (lost), i see a boy sad, not a boy that take them like a joke.

rubydan

11-29-2007, 06:45 AM

i hope dat misbun give him another chance....

robin7

11-29-2007, 06:49 AM

OMG, Hafiz lost badly 21-19 21-5. The score just suggests that he has given up in the 2nd game...

eugene77

11-29-2007, 06:49 AM

haiz......if hafiz continues to be so lethargic when playing,it will be hard to win the thomas cup next year.....

X Ball

11-29-2007, 06:51 AM

Why didn't HH train hard?
Doesn't he give importance to badminton, in these years?

When i see him in photo after his matches (lost), i see a boy sad, not a boy that take them like a joke.

He rode the waves at 20 or so to win the ALL-England and then accolades, presents/gifts were presented to him. He was famous, people rolled out to call him the hero of Malaysia's badminton. He loved it and he lived it up and lived up and lived it up. Then his belly started to feel full and his lungs began to breathe hard and when he came back playing the motivation and the energy were not there. He put it down to just a temporarily event and that he would come out of it quickly once he is ready to.

He goes to training with half his heart dreaming about the things he would do with his friends at night. He put in his training appearances and seemed to train hard. But when the crunch came on tournament days, he capitulate because the energy was not there. He never understood stamina as it should be and took it like if he plays good he might win the match.

Soon it was harder to get his form back as his strength is not there. Even today he might be fooling himself -- KJ obviously showed him up today after the 1st game, he must have been a spent force in the 2nd to lose by such a big difference (I hope it was something a bit more palatable like a strained thigh or a troubling knee).

There is no way back for this chap unless he trains while others have a break in the Festive season.

rubydan

11-29-2007, 06:54 AM

thomas cup needs 3 ms ..i guess... LCW...hafiz(KIV)...other one....?

eugene77

11-29-2007, 06:55 AM

likely choong hann

leonardklh

11-29-2007, 06:56 AM

bye hafiz!!!see ya!!

eugene77

11-29-2007, 06:56 AM

choong hann has the edge over other countries third singles except when facing china.....hafiz muz do the job or else.........juz like tsuen tseng in 2002

george@chongwei

11-29-2007, 06:57 AM

bye hafiz!!!see ya!!
if got chance, we will see him in mayb a police office..

alfa-2

11-29-2007, 06:58 AM

Anyway, there are no more tournaments for this year and so HH can rot for all Misbun care. HH will get lost for a while now coz he will be wondering what he will do next. If I were him I would use the next month or so to do lots of gym work, road running, rope skipping instead of hanging out with friends. And then come next year, try to win favours with Misbun for a player position again.

he can do that or.....

go back home and concentrate on making some good kids.................:D:D:D i seriously think that he will choose the latter.

samuel882

11-29-2007, 06:58 AM

if MAS will have to field this hopeless player for TC, better forget about it.
Withdrew the whole team & concentrate on winning OG medal.

eugene77

11-29-2007, 07:00 AM

yeah ..I agree with u ....its useless wastin time in the TC

X Ball

11-29-2007, 07:00 AM

We can still the Thomas Cup with LCW, KKK-TBH and LWW-TF - one single and two doubles.

Or is it just one doubles now ?

eugene77

11-29-2007, 07:02 AM

TC 2006 hafiz loses...2004 hafiz loses.......

alfa-2

11-29-2007, 07:03 AM

if got chance, we will see him in mayb a police office..

add in another yoyo to the police force..........:D:D:D

qwertyu

11-29-2007, 08:12 AM

in China Open Park disposed Lin Dan and opened up the path for him but he wasted the chance. In HK Roslin did the same against Bao but Hafiz again disapointed us again. What can I say about him????

markchan

11-29-2007, 08:12 AM

add in another yoyo to the police force..........:D:D:D

.......or can use him as a sparring partner......to the WS..:D:D

markchan

11-29-2007, 08:15 AM

We can still the Thomas Cup with LCW, KKK-TBH and LWW-TF - one single and two doubles.

Or is it just one doubles now ?

Looks like MAS's TC campaign will only have 1 strategy (as per X Ball). If one of the uncles kena injury, tat's it. bye bye. just like in Japan with WCH's injury. Sad case. :(

xymaerts

11-29-2007, 08:25 AM

Hafiz u again stop at Round 2...Misbun give u 2 chance .. not want u to stop at round 2...How can he lost 5-21 on second set...

eaglehelang

11-29-2007, 08:28 AM

He rode the waves at 20 or so to win the ALL-England and then accolades, presents/gifts were presented to him. He was famous, people rolled out to call him the hero of Malaysia's badminton. He loved it and he lived it up and lived up and lived it up. Then his belly started to feel full and his lungs began to breathe hard and when he came back playing the motivation and the energy were not there. He put it down to just a temporarily event and that he would come out of it quickly once he is ready to.

He goes to training with half his heart dreaming about the things he would do with his friends at night. He put in his training appearances and seemed to train hard. But when the crunch came on tournament days, he capitulate because the energy was not there. He never understood stamina as it should be and took it like if he plays good he might win the match.

Soon it was harder to get his form back as his strength is not there. Even today he might be fooling himself -- KJ obviously showed him up today after the 1st game, he must have been a spent force in the 2nd to lose by such a big difference (I hope it was something a bit more palatable like a strained thigh or a troubling knee).

There is no way back for this chap unless he trains while others have a break in the Festive season.

Interesting piece Xball, you should write feature write-ups but in Malaysia they dont pay much,

fastdrop

11-29-2007, 11:35 AM

He rode the waves at 20 or so to win the ALL-England and then accolades, presents/gifts were presented to him. He was famous, people rolled out to call him the hero of Malaysia's badminton. He loved it and he lived it up and lived up and lived it up. Then his belly started to feel full and his lungs began to breathe hard and when he came back playing the motivation and the energy were not there. He put it down to just a temporarily event and that he would come out of it quickly once he is ready to.

He goes to training with half his heart dreaming about the things he would do with his friends at night. He put in his training appearances and seemed to train hard. But when the crunch came on tournament days, he capitulate because the energy was not there. He never understood stamina as it should be and took it like if he plays good he might win the match.

Soon it was harder to get his form back as his strength is not there. Even today he might be fooling himself -- KJ obviously showed him up today after the 1st game, he must have been a spent force in the 2nd to lose by such a big difference (I hope it was something a bit more palatable like a strained thigh or a troubling knee).

There is no way back for this chap unless he trains while others have a break in the Festive season.

I find your comment for HH too harsh. I watched the game and saw him trying his best to put up to your expectations. The first set was quite tight. If I remember it right, he was able to be on the lead. In the 2nd set, they changed ends and now he was on the side where the shuttle drifts a little stronger. Most of his errors were either wide or long. He did not look too tired. Maybe he was just too eager to win to redeem himself so that he tends to overkill his shots.
I'm no big fan of HH but I believe he deserves a little respect and understanding. If we can do that for him then maybe he can comeback faster. :)

justin-terbalik

11-29-2007, 11:47 AM

hafiz....realllllllllllyyyyyyyyy.....reallllllllll lllllllllyyyyyyyy
need To Take A Break From Badminton And Stay At Home, And Think About Everything That Has Gone Wrong...make Some Examination, Reflection, Evaluation Or Meditation So That Once He Knows Where And Which Part That He Lacks Then He Can Train And Improve On Those Parts....

ye333

11-29-2007, 11:51 AM

Why everyone's counting WCH out? :confused: If he has enough rest, he has the ability to beat any 2nd or 3rd MS in any country in one single match.

We can still the Thomas Cup with LCW, KKK-TBH and LWW-TF - one single and two doubles.

Or is it just one doubles now ?

shocic

11-29-2007, 03:19 PM

enough for the chances, too many chances has given. Misbun must very dissapoited, now is the times for new blood!! By the way, Chong Hann is far better than him

KooGuy

11-29-2007, 04:51 PM

Don't waste our time on this guy...He is a 'bumi' in Malaysia and by definition he will get all the chances he wants unlike other non-bumi players.

He is very much like Misbun in the 80's until he call it a day...

bcmmgr

11-29-2007, 05:09 PM

Well, is end of the month(Nov), Next week the counter will reset, he will get another 2 more chances.........remember the Last 2 chance is on monthly basis.........

jimbo

11-29-2007, 06:32 PM

Based on the scoreline (5-21 in 2nd set), I can tell u that he is simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH...!!! No disrespect to KJ, but he is not even on par with LD, Taufik, LCW or even Gade. Misbun, pls justify ur promise and keep him grounded for the sake of Msia fans. Enough is enough :mad:

Now, the world is watching if Misbun will take necessary actions against Hafiz. If he doesnt, it' unhealthy to BAM players. Give those youngsters more exposure, invest in them and I'm quite sure we'll produce another LCW or Rashid :rolleyes:

Msia Boleh...

syusuke ika

11-29-2007, 06:49 PM

Hafiz is still alive. at least he got through Simon.

uh ..he looks so disapointed ...pity fo' him...dun't blame him ~hafiz willcome back ....i knoe at `~malaysia boleh ..

p/s :fo malaysians..do u remmeber da song ....when hafiz won the all england.??sounds like this ..

"Jika kau katakan kau boleh,
Kau pasti boleh lakukannya ....

i guess ...hoho..come on..support him !!

eaglehelang

11-29-2007, 07:04 PM

OK everyone, settle down.
In the first place, Hafiz is NOT, is NOT with BAM, is with the club Nusa Mahsuri. So, his club can send to as many tourneys as they like.
Maybe they should send him to GP or GP Gold events like Roslin.

Yesterday in intv with RTM, Misbun said Hafiz havent recovered from fever (Hafiz seems to be prone to fever), so movement slower.

jimbo

11-29-2007, 07:22 PM

Yesterday in intv with RTM, Misbun said Hafiz havent recovered from fever (Hafiz seems to be prone to fever), so movement slower.

oh no... another "political excuse"? get on with life, Misbun :rolleyes:

X Ball

11-29-2007, 07:54 PM

I find your comment for HH too harsh. I watched the game and saw him trying his best to put up to your expectations. The first set was quite tight. If I remember it right, he was able to be on the lead. In the 2nd set, they changed ends and now he was on the side where the shuttle drifts a little stronger. Most of his errors were either wide or long. He did not look too tired. Maybe he was just too eager to win to redeem himself so that he tends to overkill his shots.
I'm no big fan of HH but I believe he deserves a little respect and understanding. If we can do that for him then maybe he can comeback faster. :)

I remain positive for anyone but the truth remains that he has squandered chances given to him. What most people here are clamouring is the money spent on efforts not commensurating the spending whether it is government or private.

If we allow ourselves to be lulled by his indifferent form, then we might as well as write him off. The matter is and it is visible to everyone that he is not performing. He has allowed himself to wallow in self pity but not raising the bar one iorta - comforting himself that he would be able to raise his standards. The two chances given by his coach (and believe me nobody knows Hafiz better than Misbun) were not met.

My conclusion in the earlier posting was more sympathetic than what you have mentioned (harsh) - I suggested he trains hard whilst others are relaxing during the festive season for him to catch up on his make-belief fitness (to just play is not enough, to stretch your opponent like LCW or WMC, a classic example of stamina, is a must these days and Hafiz does not have that in him today).

fastdrop

11-29-2007, 08:38 PM

I remain positive for anyone but the truth remains that he has squandered chances given to him. What most people here are clamouring is the money spent on efforts not commensurating the spending whether it is government or private.

If we allow ourselves to be lulled by his indifferent form, then we might as well as write him off. The matter is and it is visible to everyone that he is not performing. He has allowed himself to wallow in self pity but not raising the bar one iorta - comforting himself that he would be able to raise his standards. The two chances given by his coach (and believe me nobody knows Hafiz better than Misbun) were not met.

My conclusion in the earlier posting was more sympathetic than what you have mentioned (harsh) - I suggested he trains hard whilst others are relaxing during the festive season for him to catch up on his make-belief fitness (to just play is not enough, to stretch your opponent like LCW or WMC, a classic example of stamina, is a must these days and Hafiz does not have that in him today).

I think training harder (physically) is not what he needs, it's more on the psychological aspect. Training is something anyone can do, putting behind his fear of losing again is a more difficult task. However, it is always easier said than done. Training and techniques can be learned from the coach, while mental training is something you have to develop personally. In a word, confidence. And giving him more pressure will not help, it will aggravate.:)

bcmmgr

11-29-2007, 09:39 PM

bcmmgr

11-29-2007, 09:41 PM

on, sorry, they need this excuse, so the last 2 chance now officially reopen.....

X Ball

11-29-2007, 10:17 PM

I think training harder (physically) is not what he needs, it's more on the psychological aspect. Training is something anyone can do, putting behind his fear of losing again is a more difficult task. However, it is always easier said than done. Training and techniques can be learned from the coach, while mental training is something you have to develop personally. In a word, confidence. And giving him more pressure will not help, it will aggravate.:)

I don't know whether you play badminton a lot. When I was young I played every day but when I played with the real good ones, I fiound that my stamina was not there when it counted. I don't think HAFIZ has that extra bit called stamina -- just look at WMC against the Chinese girls (all panting and giving up at the end). Hafiz has not got that (he is like the Chinese gals, panting ansd giving up because he could not carry on....he resorts to trick shots to either win or lose at the net because that does not entail too much running). Normally against the good players, they don't mind trading such shots with him.

danielwong

11-29-2007, 10:21 PM

hcyong

11-29-2007, 10:47 PM

azabaz_ipoh

11-29-2007, 11:04 PM

nothing new for HH
tend to have so much excuses after lose
he is long gone case...why even bother to care to talk abt him?
beside him we still have 'heroes" like YKB, KBH, OSH/TBH under BAM who is
not performing.....
HH is unlucky coz we put much hope on him coz he won AE in 2003...
the so called "heroes" got nothing to show....but they are spare from the rod...

i agree. and that talk about him being a bumi and thus given special privilages, my question is, when have BAM ever fired any player, performing or not performing notwithstanding. and there have been players, bumi and non bumi, who are not performing and not being bashed like hafiz is. i think it is because he won the all england that they are hard on him.

X Ball

11-29-2007, 11:08 PM

Why are we so worked up about this? Unless we can send players better than Hafiz, we should not complain. He should not bear the brunt of the lack of quality in the squad. The young players must step up and beat him, then he either bucks up or ships out.

Else there would be nothing exciting to talk about.:D It is like a 'HAFIZ sanity' check every now and then to clear him or to fire him (even though we have no say in it).:D

OneToughBirdie

11-29-2007, 11:25 PM

I don't know whether you play badminton a lot. When I was young I played every day but when I played with the real good ones, I fiound that my stamina was not there when it counted. I don't think HAFIZ has that extra bit called stamina -- just look at WMC against the Chinese girls (all panting and giving up at the end). Hafiz has not got that (he is like the Chinese gals, panting ansd giving up because he could not carry on....he resorts to trick shots to either win or lose at the net because that does not entail too much running). Normally against the good players, they don't mind trading such shots with him.
When it comes to CHN girls lack stamina, I am not sure I agree with you...if anything, fitness is CHN trademark...WMC won on a never say die attitude, she ran for every shots, and yes, WMC is very fit, and if you watch the video again, you can sense she was very determined and confident, playing as if she was on a mission, even when she was trailing in the 3rd set...she simply frustrated CHN players with her defend. What do you think?;)

X Ball

11-29-2007, 11:50 PM

When it comes to CHN girls lack stamina, I am not sure I agree with you...if anything, fitness is CHN trademark...WMC won on a never say die attitude, she ran for every shots, and yes, WMC is very fit, and if you watch the video again, you can sense she was very determined and confident, playing as if she was on a mission, even when she was trailing in the 3rd set...she simply frustrated CHN players with her defend. What do you think?;)

It was used a highlight the difference between fitness and the lack of that extra fitness.

chickenpoodle

11-30-2007, 12:05 AM

Why everyone's counting WCH out? :confused: If he has enough rest, he has the ability to beat any 2nd or 3rd MS in any country in one single match.

because all tournaments need players to play more than one match. even team events...

OneToughBirdie

11-30-2007, 12:05 AM

It was used a highlight the difference between fitness and the lack of that extra fitness.
We have to be understanding, even the great TH after got married, is sucking air when he played...married life is tough on players...hehehe!!!:p:D

lipans

11-30-2007, 12:51 AM

HH, better you didn't won AE'03 before, so that you will never been bashed like today.

eaglehelang

11-30-2007, 02:57 AM

"Yesterday in intv with RTM, Misbun said Hafiz havent recovered from fever (Hafiz seems to be prone to fever), so movement slower."

No more excuse, please.....LWW also play in fever during World Camp semi final, but never lost like 5-21........

That's why I said - Hafiz seems to be prone to fever, but that's just cynical me.

In any case, my main point was no use disucssing Haifz bad performance since he's not BAM. Nobody discuss about Sairul KLRC, who also crashes out early rounds.

eaglehelang

11-30-2007, 02:59 AM

i agree. and that talk about him being a bumi and thus given special privilages, my question is, when have BAM ever fired any player, performing or not performing notwithstanding. and there have been players, bumi and non bumi, who are not performing and not being bashed like hafiz is. i think it is because he won the all england that they are hard on him.

1) Again, BAM cant fire Hafiz, he's not from BAM. So, all the talk about favouring Hafiz doesnt add up.
But in reality, you're right, because Hafiz won AE 2003, they arent letting go yet. That should be the reason, not racial preferance.
Players like KBH, K. Yogendran, Yeoh KB, no news, means they arent putting any hope in the 2nd stringers.

THey wanted to upgrade Tan CS last year to senior (which means side lining the 3 already in the senior team) but Rashid said no.

So, if it was Yeoh KB who won AE, then he'll be under fire.

2) With the debacle at WC, Yap Kim Hock did say some players will be out of the senior team end of the year, Olympics or not. That puts KBH, K. Yogendran in trouble.

We shall see if any players will be kicked out since there's only one month left of the year.

fastdrop

11-30-2007, 10:41 AM

I don't know whether you play badminton a lot. When I was young I played every day but when I played with the real good ones, I fiound that my stamina was not there when it counted. I don't think HAFIZ has that extra bit called stamina -- just look at WMC against the Chinese girls (all panting and giving up at the end). Hafiz has not got that (he is like the Chinese gals, panting ansd giving up because he could not carry on....he resorts to trick shots to either win or lose at the net because that does not entail too much running). Normally against the good players, they don't mind trading such shots with him.

I totally agree with you that stamina is a key factor in winning a game, however, I saw the match that is why I'm saying that he lost not because of stamina. Believe it or not luck plays a role, or shall we say that sometimes our game is simply off. And yes, I play everyday whenever I'm not watching the super series.

Darien

11-30-2007, 10:46 AM

no worries, there is always 'last chance' for HH...
we'll be seeing him knocking off 1st or 2nd round of every tournament until he retired... :-)

ants

11-30-2007, 12:45 PM

Hahah.. i do hope there will be another last chance for HH.

alfa-2

11-30-2007, 02:12 PM

Well, is end of the month(Nov), Next week the counter will reset, he will get another 2 more chances.........remember the Last 2 chance is on monthly basis.........

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

alfa-2

11-30-2007, 02:14 PM

uh ..he looks so disapointed ...pity fo' him...dun't blame him ~hafiz willcome back ....i knoe at `~malaysia boleh ..

p/s :fo malaysians..do u remmeber da song ....when hafiz won the all england.??sounds like this ..

"Jika kau katakan kau boleh,
Kau pasti boleh lakukannya ....

i guess ...hoho..come on..support him !!

wow, it's amazing how tolerant can the fans be nowadays...................:o:o:o

Pemuda

12-01-2007, 07:32 AM

Honestly, I really cannot believe some Malaysian fans here. Hafiz, despite being so consistent ..... in losing I mean, we still have a big group of Malaysians calling for him be given another opportunity.

How much longer we are gonna flog a dead horse??

Do we ever wonder why the last time we won that Thomas Cup was back in 92?? Ever wonder when was the last time we won the TC away from home (not be a jagoh kampung)?? Ever wonder why we have yet to land ourselves an Olympic gold or a WC title???

Well, the reason why Malaysia normally end up short is because we have lame horses in our stable. Win one All England title , and that single title will carry you to all the way home.

Let me say this now, we are not going win the gold in Beijing next year period.