why when 1set they play so well but thn play so bad adi?wad gif them lose?????:crying::crying:

Why open this thread again???Its really useless..

i think probably pyhsical mental....

Reading all the comments on the loss of KKK and TBH today against CW and TG, I see that many of you are critical of them, sometimes very harsh.
But is it really their fault?
They are very good and are No.1
But other players also want to be the best and work hard to improve. It is a very very competitive arena.

It doesn't mean today they lost because they sucked. They lost because they were beaten by a better pair. Congrats to Tony and Candra !

So instead of being so hard on them, give them your support.
Negative criticisms can be helpful. But too much criticisms is not the way to go.

Reading all the comments on the loss of KKK and TBH today against CW and TG, I see that many of you are critical of them, sometimes very harsh.
But is it really their fault?
They are very good and are No.1
But other players also want to be the best and work hard to improve. It is a very very competitive arena.

It doesn't mean today they lost because they sucked. They lost because they were beaten by a better pair. Congrats to Tony and Candra !

So instead of being so hard on them, give them your support.
Negative criticisms can be helpful. But too much criticisms is not the way to go.

Perhaps most of us r losing patience on those 2 already. Dont wanna see another yoyo in making. Their recent lost it really... lousy.....

Perhaps most of us r losing patience on those 2 already. Dont wanna see another yoyo in making. Their recent lost it really... lousy.....

That's the point.
It's not Yoyo. They didn't suck. Their opponent played better, that's all.

Why open this thread again???Its really useless..

well, the thread creator wouldn't have thought of it as useless, if he thinks it is, he wouldn't have done it in the 1st place.

don't like it??? just avoid this thread then. :p:p:p

Why can't they lose?

KKK&TBH are good, and I agree that they may have an upper hand because of the age, stamina, etc. However, the win always comes with randomness, and this is why sports are interesting.

well, the thread creator wouldn't have thought of it as useless, if he thinks it is, he wouldn't have done it in the 1st place.

don't like it??? just avoid this thread then. :p:p:p
Sigh...This thread is just for peoples to bash kau kau..:(

This let them know that they are simply not good enough. Lot of work they have to be done...Is a good sign anyway..

Sigh...This thread is just for peoples to bash kau kau..:(

let it be. it's a good place for people to channel their sadness/frustration/motivation to their fans though im not one of the fans.......:D:D:D that's the least you can do when you are in ppl's thread, which is to have some fundamental respect for the thread creator. If u dont like your fans to be bashed, feel free to bash the basher back or leave, BUT dont say this thread is useless or ask of it to be closed, ok??? ;)

it's a place for people to channel their sadness/frustration/motivation to their fans though im not one of fan.......:D:D:D that's the least you can do when you are in ppl's thread, which is to have some fundamental respect to the thread creator. If u dont like your fans to be bashed, feel free to bash the basher back or leave, BUT dont say this thread is useless or ask of it to be closed, ok??? ;)
OK...Sorry...:(

OK...Sorry...:(

sorry too, i don't to make you feel bad.:(:(:(

Better to lose now than at OG08. Then they'll know where they have gone wrong and rectify the problems.At least they don't have to worry about rankings.

Sometimes u win, sometimes u lose. But u must know how u lose

dont put too much hope on them anymore...
actually, quite most of us already know what's the outcome would be...
our players will fall and fall again after being top for some time...this is the M'sia players trend, and this is happening to KKK/TBH...
NO DOUBT about it...

dont put too much hope on them anymore...
actually, quite most of us already know what's the outcome would be...
our players will fall and fall again after being top for some time...this is the M'sia players trend, and this is happening to KKK/TBH...
NO DOUBT about it...

here you are, always being pessimistic about our players.............BUT i love it !!!! :D:D:D:D:D

dont put too much hope on them anymore...
actually, quite most of us already know what's the outcome would be...
our players will fall and fall again after being top for some time...this is the M'sia players trend, and this is happening to KKK/TBH...
NO DOUBT about it...

in a way, i gotta agree since this has been fast becoming a trend for KKK/TBH, amongst reasons maybe, players r more comfortable playing them, fatigue as they claim they r-though they r one of the youngest pairs on tour (go figure), AND THE MOST FAMOUS OF WHICH, HH gave them THE YOYO!!:D

This is how I look at their loss:
(1) Their opponents (Candra/Tony) played better in the 2nd and 3rd games.
(2) Losing to a pair like Candra/Tony who have more experienced is "acceptable" but it just happened to be the QF. Losing and winning is just part of the game.
(3) It is actually a blessing in disguise because it'd be better to lose now than at OG.
(4) Losing the match (probably the world number one ranking) is okay, as long as they don't lose the lesson. Koo/Tan and Rexy have a lot of work to do ahead of OG if their target is a medal (forget about gold at this moment).
(5) We tend to forget TBH just turned 20 and KKK is 22 this year. Give them more time as they are the youngest top pair in the world.

Stop the bashing and no point venting your disappointment and frustration here.

Just to tell how competivtive MD is. The best 3 pairs right now - KKK/TBH, Kdio/Setiawan and Cai/FU are very evenly matched, and from time to time, Chandra/Gunawan will play well enough to win. So if KKK/TBH can win 1/4 of the tournments, they are doing their jobs already.

Remember also that CW/TG neither played in Danemark nor in France and lost pitifully in first round last week in China. So they must be fresher than KKK/TBH, plus alike my favorites uncle Choong and uncle LEE :D, they have a lot more experience.

Remember also that CW/TG neither played in Danemark nor in France and lost pitifully in first round last week in China. So they must be fresher than KKK/TBH, plus alike my favorites uncle Choong and uncle LEE :D, they have a lot more experience.

Plus, Tony/Chandra are former OG Champs. When Tony/Chandra won their matches so convincingly 1st 2 rounds and KKK/TBH struggling in 3 sets yesterday, I guessed they wont win today.

And they really look fatigued last week in China Open, like want to pengsan. This week, maybe less fatigued, but opponents much more experienced and fresh.

Lets see if Tony/Chandra will beat Fu/Cai if they meet in Finals. If they do, it shows that the veterans in top form

KKK/TBH actually played well today. they were aggressive and didn't let down their guards. however, Tony/Candra simply played better and was able to keep on pressure on 2nd/3rd games. KKK/TBH lost to the better pair of the day.

Saw the whole match. KKK/TBH were really trying their best. TG and CW were simply not up tot he pace that KKK/TBH set in the 1st set. Then TG/CW got used to the speed of play and managed to turn it around. There was lots of attacking play. The crowd was getting into the game with lots of umm and ahhs.

TG/CW put in a very good performance.

Yup, agreed with the comments by Cheung and kwun.

We thought that Koo/Tan will wrap it up in straight-sets given their fast and furious display in the first set, but, the veterans decided to slug it out and put on their attacking mode from the second set onwards. There were many interesting and long rallies with many smashes which really entertained the crowds. Tony/Candra were impressive in the second and third set as they turned the table on the MAS pair who simply couldn't cope with the attacks at some point in time and made more errors. A very interesting match indeed.

Aha! my guess confirmed! :D

KKK/TBH actually played well today. they were aggressive and didn't let down their guards. however, Tony/Candra simply played better and was able to keep on pressure on 2nd/3rd games. KKK/TBH lost to the better pair of the day.

KKK/TBH had all praise for TG/CW. Yes they were dissapointed with their lost and they knew that they failed in some strategy in the end. However both of them know this is a lesson learned. Rexy however was not all happy about it. But at the same time he know that TG/CW played a much better game in the second half.

Candra said that they didnt manage to cope with the Msian's speed at first. But both of them forced KKK/TBH to play their game and at the same time slug it all out with the Msians. And they prevailed in the end.

r they God that they can't afford to lose no matter what?..that u guys have to blame them n critic them harshly?

I'm not a KKK/TBH fans,but let's just understand when a player lost or something.Have some respect or put urself in his position..what would u feel?

i think for anyone who plays badminton a few times a week be it professionally or socially will know the meaning of form.

sometimes, when you are not on form, not matter how hard you play, you will lose. There are also times when your form are only so-so, but you will still win when your opponents are not on form. Needless to say, when you are on form, you can do wonders. When you are on form, you can save a few games points and force duece and then wrap up the game.

When you are not on form, even if you have 4 or 3 games points, you still could not convert.

what i am trying to say here is professional players too have form. TG/CW are definitely on form today. Bravo to TG/CW.

KOO/TAN played a wrong tactically games, they were not as offensively as before, instead they let the legends attacked at them , hopes for some mistakes. Which is very unlikely to happen for an experince pair..

KOO/TAN played a wrong tactically games, they were not as offensively as before, instead they let the legends attacked at them , hopes for some mistakes. Which is very unlikely to happen for an experince pair..

that's bcos candra/tony wouldn't let them play offensive :D

that's bcos candra/tony wouldn't let them play offensive :D
The Malaysian coach already said in early 2007 that opponents will start analysing KKK/TBH game. Give this young pair sometime, they will mature and get better. Its the same as Gao Ling/ Zheng Bo (pairing about same time as KKK/TBH) who loses less frequently, which I think is down to Gao Ling vast experience.
;)

..to see this match...It sounds interesting as it was Tony's & Candra's first win over the younger M'sians in quite some time...:cool:

Anyway, we shall wait for Pemuda to come in here & give us another round of.........you guys know what...:p

what i saw in the highlights of rtm 2 is that kkk/tbh are keep defending, at the end kena smash kao kao lor..

..to see this match...It sounds interesting as it was Tony's & Candra's first win over the younger M'sians in quite some time...:cool:

Anyway, we shall wait for Pemuda to come in here & give us another round of.........you guys know what...:p
Same here. Would really like to watch this match. I find it a bit difficult to grasp the comments from Kwun, Cheung and badMania after seeing the final score being very one sided. Hope to download and watch the video soon. :)

As for our dear Pemuda, nah, he won't do it here. He will wait till LCW losing in either sf or f and create a new thread to shoot them all in one go. :p:p

Coming from Kwun and Cheung,KKK/TBH lost to a better pair.Moreover there lots of umms and aahs from the crowd.This is really good as it will attract more to badminton.Winning and losing is just part of the game.Giving the crowd value for money and time spent is important.

lousy tbh kkk.................malaysian mentality

Double HH in making....


maybe?:cool:

wat is hh?????....................................

All those KKK/TBH critics...

Please understand that they are human beings and not robots!
Please dont use harsh and stupid words when they lose or perform
below par. What happened to them and all other players are normal!

Everybody has their off days. This applies to all players not just top players
but also every other players.

So please once again dont abuse them with harsh words when they
have their off days.

Please be MORE MATURE and considerate.

The Indonesian old lions are not ready to exit the badminton scene quietly! :)

Thanks Kwun, Cheung and BadMania for the reports .....:D Always good to have "witnesses of the incident" from the BC community.

I agree that supporters shouldn't always question player loyalties and commitment when they lose. Having said that I also understand that in Malaysia, the Govt, sponsors, coaches, and yes, even supporters give a lot of funding/commitment to MAS badminton squad, it is natural that they would expect better from the investment and efforts.

The NSS allows for more variations in terms of results. Unfortunately that means MAS occasionally have to eat humble pie, the same goes for other teams. It was only last week that we gave humble pie to the Chinese WS squad.

wat is hh?????....................................

HH = ha..ha,hi..hi,he..he :D :D :D

The Indonesian old lions are not ready to exit the badminton scene quietly! :)

Hope they can play as long as JE/ML.....that means at least another 5-6 years before they end their careers!!!!!! Long live, Candra! Long live, Tony! :):):)

HH = ha..ha,hi..hi,he..he :D :D :D

Might as well add ho, ho!!!:D:D

lousy tbh kkk.................malaysian mentality


duh...dun't blame them arh ... it's ok2...we will see ..next year..they will turn 23 n 21..mayb more matured ?:cool:

All those KKK/TBH critics...

Please understand that they are human beings and not robots!
Please dont use harsh and stupid words when they lose or perform
below par. What happened to them and all other players are normal!

Everybody has their off days. This applies to all players not just top players
but also every other players.

So please once again dont abuse them with harsh words when they
have their off days.

Please be MORE MATURE and considerate.


yea2..agree2~

losing a game is the key fo' triumph..jia you !! gambatte

to those who wants to bash KKK and TBH, nothing we can do, it is their prerogative. let them be....

me, i am still on KKK and TBH side. you win some, you lose some. hopefully you learn while you fall and stand back up to fight again. cai yun and fu hai feng was no 1 and they haven't won for quite a while but they are still one of the top md out there. same goes with tony and chandra. and lee wan wah / choong tan fook. it's nice to have all of them coloring the badminton scene :D

Same here. Would really like to watch this match. I find it a bit difficult to grasp the comments from Kwun, Cheung and badMania after seeing the final score being very one sided. Hope to download and watch the video soon. :)

As for our dear Pemuda, nah, he won't do it here. He will wait till LCW losing in either sf or f and create a new thread to shoot them all in one go. :p:p
Your Pemuda mind reading is first class but he has the upper hand now.He can come in anytime now and prove you wrong before LCW plays!

KKK/TBH = HH years ago...

wat is hh?????....................................
Haiz....Haizzz...........

HH = Hafiz Hashim?

HH = Hafiz Hashim?
ya..the yoyo man;);):D:p

All those KKK/TBH critics...

Please understand that they are human beings and not robots!
Please dont use harsh and stupid words when they lose or perform
below par. What happened to them and all other players are normal!

Everybody has their off days. This applies to all players not just top players
but also every other players.

So please once again dont abuse them with harsh words when they
have their off days.

Please be MORE MATURE and considerate.

Ok ok ok ... we will continue to provide KKK/TBH with TLC (tender loving care). We will baby them. Protect them. Support them. Carry them. Molly cuddle them all the way.

Malaysia Boleh!

CW/TG was the better pair when they played KKK/TBH. Lets admit that ok. No typical 'Malaysia Boleh' type of excuses i.e. umpire biased, too much pressure from coach, tired due to China Open, traffic jam to stadium, no riti canai in HK etc etc.

Anyway, great to see an older pair beating a younger pair. Good for badminton. CW/TG & ML/JE are top class consistent doubles pair. Hmmm ... wonder whether KKK/TBH can still be up there amongst the best when they be in their 30s??? :rolleyes:

It is not going to be an easy route to that Olympic gold.

Same here. Would really like to watch this match. I find it a bit difficult to grasp the comments from Kwun, Cheung and badMania after seeing the final score being very one sided. Hope to download and watch the video soon. :)

As for our dear Pemuda, nah, he won't do it here. He will wait till LCW losing in either sf or f and create a new thread to shoot them all in one go. :p:p

Dude, you want me to stick my neck out on that LD LCW match tomorrow??

Ok, here goes ... I put my money on LD to win..
Why LD?? Because I rate LD better than LCW in the mental aspect and I believe that will be the difference tomorrow.

The Indonesian old lions are not ready to exit the badminton scene quietly! :)Why should they?They are made of stern stuff and mould with solid foundation.Let the young lions drive them off,if they are capable of.In the meantime,let's sit back and enjoy their games.

Ok ok ok ... we will continue to provide KKK/TBH with TLC (tender loving care). We will baby them. Protect them. Support them. Carry them. Molly cuddle them all the way.

Malaysia Boleh!
You speak of that with such experience. Guess you must have been brought up in that way and your posts hint of delirious suffering from fixations.....

You speak of that with such experience. Guess you must have been brought up in that way and your posts hint of delirious suffering from fixations.....

Ahhhh ... resorting to personal attacks now, eh?
Class.

Ahhhh ... resorting to personal attacks now, eh?
Class.

haha.... relax bro... if u live in this tiny island, u will know how they feel superior over their neighbours... anyway, just enjoy badminton and support both Msia and SG... or INA... just not CHN... :p

Badminton for peace :)

haha.... relax bro... if u live in this tiny island, u will know how they feel superior over their neighbours... anyway, just enjoy badminton and support both Msia and SG... or INA... just not CHN... :p

Badminton for peace :)

I like China and I think they got a great system going there, producing world beaters. Of course the Malaysia Boleh bandwagoners will say that China got a big population blah blah blah ... but then again, what about Denmark, smaller population and they won the Olympic gold.

I like China and I think they got a great system going there, producing world beaters. Of course the Malaysia Boleh bandwagoners will say that China got a big population blah blah blah ... but then again, what about Denmark, smaller population and they won the Olympic gold.

Apart from LCW, I do not see any Msia players can challenge for the OG gold medals, that include KKK/TBH and WMC. I think CHN will walk away with 3-4 gold medals in OG :eek: (with the help from umpires, linesman + service judges :rolleyes:)

Denmark? Over the yrs, they had produced a number of best players such as Morten Frost, Martin Lundberg (cant spell his name), and lately Peter Gade and Johansen. All are world class players...

INA? Taufik is "history"... Sony/Simon cant challenge CHN's great wall. Only left with INA MD and XD.

Apart from LCW, I do not see any Msia players can challenge for the OG gold medals, that include KKK/TBH and WMC. I think CHN will walk away with 3-4 gold medals in OG :eek: (with the help from umpires, linesman + service judges :rolleyes:)

Denmark? Over the yrs, they had produced a number of best players such as Morten Frost, Martin Lundberg (cant spell his name), and lately Peter Gade and Johansen. All are world class players...

INA? Taufik is "history"... Sony/Simon cant challenge CHN's great wall. Only left with INA MD and XD.

LCW to challenge for the OG?? Hmmm ... I doubt so. The atmosphere then may be too great for LCW. I am putting my money on LCW not even making the semis in Beijing next year.

LCW to challenge for the OG?? Hmmm ... I doubt so. The atmosphere then may be too great for LCW. I am putting my money on LCW not even making the semis in Beijing next year.

When BCL "robbed" the CO MS from LCW last week, it was a blessing in disguise for both LCW and Misbun. I'm sure that Misbun/LCW will 100% ready for the hostile conditions in Beijing. I doubt IBF will take necessary actions to "improve" the quality from the umpires, linesman + service judges. :rolleyes:

Lets be realistic, NONE of Msia players (except LCW) stands a chance to win OG08 :eek:

When BCL "robbed" the CO MS from LCW last week, it was a blessing in disguise for both LCW and Misbun. I'm sure that Misbun/LCW will 100% ready for the hostile conditions in Beijing. I doubt IBF will take necessary actions to "improve" the quality from the umpires, linesman + service judges. :rolleyes:

Lets be realistic, NONE of Msia players (except LCW) stands a chance to win OG08 :eek:

BCL did not 'robbed' LCW the CO last Sunday. LCW was outplayed by BCL, even a 12 year old could see that.
As for the judgemental line calls, thats part and parcel of the game. The officials are humans and they are bound to have a few close calls.

Lets watch today's finals between LD and LCW. I have doubts about LCW's mentality to cope with the pressure against LD. Hopefully, we dont blame the HK stadium now should LCW gets beaten today again.

BCL did not 'robbed' LCW the CO last Sunday. LCW was outplayed by BCL, even a 12 year old could see that.
As for the judgemental line calls, thats part and parcel of the game. The officials are humans and they are bound to have a few close calls.

Lets watch today's finals between LD and LCW. I have doubts about LCW's mentality to cope with the pressure against LD. Hopefully, we dont blame the HK stadium now should LCW gets beaten today again.

It is the hope of malaysians and ex-malaysians to see a malaysian player crown the golden biscuit in Beiging, nothing wrong with having a hope...and LCW seems like a nice guy to do it and I hope he can do it. It will not be easy to win an OLY MS gold in Beiging for any non-chn player, and even for LD and other CHN players, the pressure is over-whelming unlike any other OLY.
I do agree with you that BCL outplayed LCW in CO but the side drama on line calls, game fixing, etc blur the game but even without those incidents, I am convinced BCL would win still. As for LCW-LD in HKO, I hope LCW wins but if I am betting, I would bet on LD too.
An interesting observation, you have firmly stated LCW will lose to LD for all kinds of reasons, what if he wins...

Ahhhh ... resorting to personal attacks now, eh?
Class.
Personal attacks?
I'm just giving you feedback on the impression you're creating and some hint on who you might benefit from seeing.
By the way, why do you PM me? I don't have the natural curiosity to open PM so do you want me to send it back to you or forward to Admin. Or why don't you display the PM here?

Careful guys. Anything personal will be carefully scrutinised. And you won't the thread to be closed before I put TBH/KKK pics up, right?;)

Careful guys. Anything personal will be carefully scrutinised. And you won't the thread to be closed before I put TBH/KKK pics up, right?;)
kkk-tbh pics???
yay yay...
cheung i hope you put it as sonn as possible k...:D

I'm going to the stadium now so don't have time. Please be patient.

ya..the yoyo man;);):D:p
haha... i got it now.............

Personal attacks?
I'm just giving you feedback on the impression you're creating and some hint on who you might benefit from seeing.
By the way, why do you PM me? I don't have the natural curiosity to open PM so do you want me to send it back to you or forward to Admin. Or why don't you display the PM here?

"You speak of that with such experience. Guess you must have been brought up in that way and your posts hint of delirious suffering from fixations....." , isnt this not a personal attack? You need to bring up my upbringing?

I PMed you cos' I have something to say to you personally. PM = private message, get the drift?

It is the hope of malaysians and ex-malaysians to see a malaysian player crown the golden biscuit in Beiging, nothing wrong with having a hope...and LCW seems like a nice guy to do it and I hope he can do it. It will not be easy to win an OLY MS gold in Beiging for any non-chn player, and even for LD and other CHN players, the pressure is over-whelming unlike any other OLY.
I do agree with you that BCL outplayed LCW in CO but the side drama on line calls, game fixing, etc blur the game but even without those incidents, I am convinced BCL would win still. As for LCW-LD in HKO, I hope LCW wins but if I am betting, I would bet on LD too.
An interesting observation, you have firmly stated LCW will lose to LD for all kinds of reasons, what if he wins...

In sports anything is possible. Let me bring to your attention of Paul Erik Hoyer Larsen. The man went to the Atlanta Olympics in 1996, aged 31 then. He faced impossible odds against chinese and indonesian shuttlers. But in the face of adversity, he overcame the odds and took that gold for Denmark.

... unfortunately, LCW nor Malaysia have a quarter of Paul Erik Larsen's determination and mental toughness. As such, I am completely sure LCW will not beat LD today. And we may see the usual excuses like injury, not enough rest time, biased judgings, no sambal belacan in HK, Yap Kim Hock giving too much pressure etc etc tomorrow.

Pemuda, sometimes I just wish I have something to whack you on the head.................... :D :D :D

In sports anything is possible. Let me bring to your attention of Paul Erik Hoyer Larsen. The man went to the Atlanta Olympics in 1996, aged 31 then. He faced impossible odds against chinese and indonesian shuttlers. But in the face of adversity, he overcame the odds and took that gold for Denmark.

... unfortunately, LCW nor Malaysia have a quarter of Paul Erik Larsen's determination and mental toughness. As such, I am completely sure LCW will not beat LD today. And we may see the usual excuses like injury, not enough rest time, biased judgings, no sambal belacan in HK, Yap Kim Hock giving too much pressure etc etc tomorrow.

Pemuda, LCW does not have mental toughness ? Who will believe you ? IO, JO, PO, FO, and multiple semis and finals. I can understand your strong feelings but surely, this is going a bit too far, isn't it ?

Pemuda, sometimes I just wish I have something to whack you on the head.................... :D :D :D

Let me say this then ...... MALAYSIA BOLEH! ;)

Pemuda, sometimes I just wish I have something to whack you on the head.................... :D :D :D

im going to take care of his back, don't worry. and vching, look around for chair or helmet...................:D:D:D

Pemuda, LCW does not have mental toughness ? Who will believe you ? IO, JO, PO, FO, and multiple semis and finals. I can understand your strong feelings but surely, this is going a bit too far, isn't it ?

Please remove that PO. I mean with respect, that PO was more like a mickey mouse title. We compare super series, WC and All England. Put LCW side by side with Lin Dan and I am pretty sure you can see the diff.

im going to take care of his back, don't worry. and vching, look around for chair or helmet...................:D:D:D

You like coming from the back, dont you? :p

Please remove that PO. I mean with respect, that PO was more like a mickey mouse title. We compare super series, WC and All England. Put LCW side by side with Lin Dan and I am pretty sure you can see the diff.


No I can't -- you are discrediting a true great Malaysian player - that is the only thing I can see.

Pemuda is like that one lah..... A true Malaysian hater.

No I can't -- you are discrediting a true great Malaysian player - that is the only thing I can see.

Let me help you then as I understand the meaning of blind loyalty.

Lin Dan won two back to back WC and has won the All England twice. Coupled with numerous super series titles which he has won more than LCW, am sure it is pretty obvious who has the better consistency and mental toughness. And do let me remind you that LCW fell apart in the WC this year in KL, his own back yard.

Am not discrediting LCW. Am just telling the facts thats all. True great Malaysian player, yes. But true world great, no.

i thinks better if we stop argueing each other...
cheung ady warned as at previous page...
kwun ady locked ld n lcw thread...
so if this thread lock to,i'll have no chance to see kkk-tbh pics...:(
hope u guyz understand...:D

i thinks better if we stop argueing each other...
cheung ady warned as at previous page...
kwun ady locked ld n lcw thread...
so if this thread lock to,i'll have no chance to see kkk-tbh pics...:(
hope u guyz understand...:D

Ok, lets then talk about loving each other and all.
Peace to all my brothers and sisters.
Malaysia Boleh

Let me help you then as I understand the meaning of blind loyalty.

Lin Dan won two back to back WC and has won the All England twice. Coupled with numerous super series titles which he has won more than LCW, am sure it is pretty obvious who has the better consistency and mental toughness. And do let me remind you that LCW fell apart in the WC this year in KL, his own back yard.

Am not discrediting LCW. Am just telling the facts thats all. True great Malaysian player, yes. But true world great, no.

What facts if you don't acknowledge the guy's greatness except to rub him down for losing certain evernts ? He has his fair share of successes almost equalled to LD. Tell me of any other player (bar LD) who has more wins. If being second or losing in some events makes him a lesser great, then your benchmark is too high.

Ok, lets then talk about loving each other and all.
Peace to all my brothers and sisters.
Malaysia Boleh
thats a good forumanships...:D
thanks bro...!!!:)

You like coming from the back, dont you? :p

Do you mean a back stabber??:D Or something wild.....:-)

"You speak of that with such experience. Guess you must have been brought up in that way and your posts hint of delirious suffering from fixations....." , isnt this not a personal attack? You need to bring up my upbringing?

I PMed you cos' I have something to say to you personally. PM = private message, get the drift?
What's wrong with a spoilt brat upbringing? It means you're high class.
PM? What makes you think I have personal time for you? Just post here. Say all you want .It's ok with me.
In a discussion, don't you think one should be prepared to get as much as one can give?

MK/HS is so lonely UP THERE;)What the heck happened to KKK/TBH:confused:You make my heart sink, wild thing:D

What's wrong with a spoilt brat upbringing? It means you're high class.
PM? What makes you think I have personal time for you? Just post here. Say all you want .It's ok with me.
In a discussion, don't you think one should be prepared to get as much as one can give?

You a fortune teller now or some roadside medium able to tell a person's upbringing?? :rolleyes:
Well, if you are so busy then it is your prerogative whether you want to read my PM or not. But that doesnt change the fact that PM = private message.

So, are you saying that in a discussion one can resort to personal attacks?? Well, if thats the case why are you ranting and moaning about??

Have a nice day. Cheerios. ;)

hahahahah, it's so funny, after the thread of LD vs LCW was being closed, all posts about LCW shifted here. hahahhahaha...................

What facts if you don't acknowledge the guy's greatness except to rub him down for losing certain evernts ? He has his fair share of successes almost equalled to LD. Tell me of any other player (bar LD) who has more wins. If being second or losing in some events makes him a lesser great, then your benchmark is too high.

I did acknowledged that LCW is great, in Malaysia. But in the world stage, he is way, way second as compared to Lin Dan, Taufik Hidayat and even Chen Hong.

How and in what way LCW's successes equaled LD?? :rolleyes: LD has two back to back WC and 2 All England. Unless, you consider LCW's PO is as big a title as the WC/AE!

Taufik Hidayat got one Olympic gold and 1 WC.
Even Chen Hong got 2 AE titles, if I am not wrong.

And talking about benchmark, are you saying that LCW should set his standards against lesser known players?? Dont make sense, if you want to be a world beater then your benchmark should be set against the best out there. In your argument, maybe LCW should set his against Hafiz or Roslin or maybe even Rashid Sidek, am sure that would make him look great ... Malaysia Boleh style la.

I did acknowledged that LCW is great, in Malaysia. But in the world stage, he is way, way second as compared to Lin Dan, Taufik Hidayat and even Chen Hong.

How and in what way LCW's successes equaled LD?? :rolleyes: LD has two back to back WC and 2 All England. Unless, you consider LCW's PO is as big a title as the WC/AE!

Taufik Hidayat got one Olympic gold and 1 WC.
Even Chen Hong got 2 AE titles, if I am not wrong.

And talking about benchmark, are you saying that LCW should set his standards against lesser known players?? Dont make sense, if you want to be a world beater then your benchmark should be set against the best out there. In your argument, maybe LCW should set his against Hafiz or Roslin or maybe even Rashid Sidek, am sure that would make him look great ... Malaysia Boleh style la.

though i agreed with you most of the time before this, but this is............:(:(:(

you're arguing for the sake of winning an argument. not because you are right.

though i agreed with you most of the time before this, but this is............:(:(:(

you're arguing for the sake of winning an argument. not because you are right.

Then tell me where do you not agree with me?

though i agreed with you most of the time before this, but this is............:(:(:(

you're arguing for the sake of winning an argument. not because you are right.


Let me finish it for you "..........but this is ridiculous!":(:(:(

Let me finish it for you "..........but this is ridiculous!":(:(:(

Bro, you win. Am not going to argue with you. For someone who thinks that LCW successes almost equalled LD, I rest my case.

LCW to challenge for the OG?? Hmmm ... I doubt so. The atmosphere then may be too great for LCW. I am putting my money on LCW not even making the semis in Beijing next year. LCW just reached the final of CO and SF of China master this year.

BCL did not 'robbed' LCW the CO last Sunday. LCW was outplayed by BCL, even a 12 year old could see that. As for the judgemental line calls, thats part and parcel of the game. The officials are humans and they are bound to have a few close calls.

Lets watch today's finals between LD and LCW. I have doubts about LCW's mentality to cope with the pressure against LD. Hopefully, we dont blame the HK stadium now should LCW gets beaten today again.
I believe it wasn't judgemental, even the Chinese were screaming of frauds for what has happened in CO, not just LCW's match. If LCW couldn't cope with the pressure playing with LD, he couldn't have won against LD in JO, and win the 1st set 21-9 today. If it is as you said, the 1st set should have gone the other way round.

Noone is blaming HKO official, it is just you hoping that someone would start blaming them so that you could win this argument.

And we may see the usual excuses like injury, not enough rest time, biased judgings, no sambal belacan in HK, Yap Kim Hock giving too much pressure etc etc tomorrow.
Although i don't like excuses, LCW pls give us some excuse again this time so that Pemuda will be happy. Even LD gave some excuses when he lost in CO in the 1st round.

Put LCW side by side with Lin Dan and I am pretty sure you can see the diff.
yes, there are difference between them, it is a difference of ONLY one rank and some ranking points. Imagine China with so much talented players and has been spending millions on their MS squad, they can come up with LD ONLY who can beat LCW (and not constantly) and has higher ranking points than LCW is.

And do let me remind you that LCW fell apart in the WC this year in KL, his own back yard.

Am not discrediting LCW. Am just telling the facts thats all. True great Malaysian player, yes. But true world great, no.
and do you need me to remind you that LD also did the same thing in the 1st round in CO?? He beats BCL, TH, CJ, CH constantly nowadays. He even had LD in Sudirman Cup and JO. How do u define great then? You should have change to 'great' to 'no.1' then.

I did acknowledged that LCW is great, in Malaysia. But in the world stage, he is way, way second as compared to Lin Dan, Taufik Hidayat and even Chen Hong.

IMHO, he has yet to peak in his career as a pro. Currently, CH, TH is way way faraway from his ranking/SS ranking and he is on his way to the top now. How do i know this? He has started to beat LD outside of Malaysia. Their head to head score is 2:1 which favours LCW in the past 6 months .

LCW just reached the final of CO and SF of China master this year.


I believe it wasn't judgemental, even the Chinese were screaming of frauds for what has happened in CO, not just LCW's match. If LCW couldn't cope with the pressure playing with LD, he couldn't have won against LD in JO, and win the 1st set 21-9 today. If it is as you said, the 1st set should have gone the other way round.

Noone is blaming HKO official, it is just you hoping that someone would start blaming them so that you could win this argument.


Although i don't like excuses, LCW pls give us some excuse again this time so that Pemuda will be happy. Even LD gave some excuses when he lost in CO in the 1st round.


yes, there are difference between them, it is a difference of ONLY one rank and some ranking points. Imagine China with so much talented players and has been spending millions on their MS squad, they can come up with LD ONLY who can beat LCW (and not constantly) and has higher ranking points than LCW is.


and do you need me to remind you that LD also did the same thing in the 1st round in CO?? He beats BCL, TH, CJ, CH constantly nowadays. He even had LD in Sudirman Cup and JO. How do u define great then? You should have change to 'great' to 'no.1' then.


IMHO, he has yet to peak in his career as a pro. Currently, CH, TH is way way faraway from his ranking/SS ranking and he is on his way to the top now. How do i know this? He has started to beat LD outside of Malaysia. Their head to head score is 2:1 which favours LCW in the past 6 months .

So much effort to convince the guy and then see him coming back with more endless opinionated views.:D

So much effort to convince the guy and then see him coming back with more endless opinionated views.:D

True, true, wasting energy. When I first came to this forum, being naive I did that too. Now, let Pemuda think what he wants to think. Hope this young man wouldnt become a bitter old man, there is much more dissappointments in life.

Gentleman,

I've been taught in school to have a healthly debate ....it's a good thing and it is to be encouraged.....no matter how divergent your views are respect your opponents.....don't get too emotional.......we want to hear opposing views and decide for ourselves which ones we agree/disagree..... ok, everybody?

1. LCW just reached the final of CO and SF of China master this year.


2. I believe it wasn't judgemental, even the Chinese were screaming of frauds for what has happened in CO, not just LCW's match. If LCW couldn't cope with the pressure playing with LD, he couldn't have won against LD in JO, and win the 1st set 21-9 today. If it is as you said, the 1st set should have gone the other way round.

3. Noone is blaming HKO official, it is just you hoping that someone would start blaming them so that you could win this argument.


4. Although i don't like excuses, LCW pls give us some excuse again this time so that Pemuda will be happy. Even LD gave some excuses when he lost in CO in the 1st round.


5. yes, there are difference between them, it is a difference of ONLY one rank and some ranking points. Imagine China with so much talented players and has been spending millions on their MS squad, they can come up with LD ONLY who can beat LCW (and not constantly) and has higher ranking points than LCW is.


6. and do you need me to remind you that LD also did the same thing in the 1st round in CO?? He beats BCL, TH, CJ, CH constantly nowadays. He even had LD in Sudirman Cup and JO. How do u define great then? You should have change to 'great' to 'no.1' then.


7. IMHO, he has yet to peak in his career as a pro. Currently, CH, TH is way way faraway from his ranking/SS ranking anYd he is on his way to the top now. How do i know this? He has started to beat LD outside of Malaysia. Their head to head score is 2:1 which favours LCW in the past 6 months .


You consider reaching the final and SF of CO and China Master this year a good indication that LCW will be a major contender in Beijing next year?? :rolleyes:
So, you take it that with the Chinese fans screaming fraud, you concluded that the judging was biased??
Did I say that I HOPE people would blame the judging???
Well, look at the titles LD has won so far.
Yes, ranking wise it is just one rank diff. BUT titles wise, it is LD by a mile. BCL beat LCW. What about the millions the Msian government spent on badminton??? When was the last time we won that TC? Any WC or Olympic gold??? By the way, even Denmark won that Olympic gold before. And other than LCW, do we have another up & coming player???
Yes, LD crashed out in the 1st round of CO. But tell me which is a bigger tournament , CO or WC??? How many of em' WC titles LD won? LCW how?? How do I define great??? Based on the titles, major ones.
Sorry, the head to head between LD & LCW is 7 to 3. And LCW still have yet to land a major title i.e. WC, AE or the Olympic gold.

You consider reaching the final and SF of CO and China Master this year a good indication that LCW will be a major contender in Beijing next year?? :rolleyes:
So, you take it that with the Chinese fans screaming fraud, you concluded that the judging was biased??
Did I say that I HOPE people would blame the judging???
Well, look at the titles LD has won so far.
Yes, ranking wise it is just one rank diff. BUT titles wise, it is LD by a mile. BCL beat LCW. What about the millions the Msian government spent on badminton??? When was the last time we won that TC? Any WC or Olympic gold??? By the way, even Denmark won that Olympic gold before. And other than LCW, do we have another up & coming player???
Yes, LD crashed out in the 1st round of CO. But tell me which is a bigger tournament , CO or WC??? How many of em' WC titles LD won? LCW how?? How do I define great??? Based on the titles, major ones.
Sorry, the head to head between LD & LCW is 7 to 3. And LCW still have yet to land a major title i.e. WC, AE or the Olympic gold.
:D:D:D:D:D i would have continue doing this endless debate if you could have just replied based on the your previous posts which i've quoted that im disagreeing with your thoughts. but u didn't, by changing the arguments into something else when you couldn't win them.

they were right. i'm wasting my time. :cool:

Hey, us mods are busy for a few hours taking pics at HK Open and you guys go on off topic etc etc.

What are we supposed to do????

hahahahah, it's so funny, after the thread of LD vs LCW was being closed, all posts about LCW shifted here. hahahhahaha...................

Hahahaha..hiding from Kwun yea?How about shifting to chit chat.Kwun won't check it,i guess.LOL..:D:D

Hey, us mods are busy for a few hours taking pics at HK Open and you guys go on off topic etc etc.

What are we supposed to do????

I guess what kwun did to close some "not useful" threads was right.Either would made them calm down or they would think that kwun is limiting their free speach rights.It's their decision.But i think thread with "fights" or unhealthy debate,to say that i am correct u r not,or u r dirty i am clean,..this is useless,n will only bring more fights among BC members.

I just couldn't imagine that if there's a BC members gathering,each ppl has their own hit target already.:(:(

Ppl....what's ur purpose in BC?Think again..:(

I thought it was about knowing more about badminton stuffs..supporting one to another player,n learn from them.Support them.Giving credits to each player or countries.

Or maybe some chit chatting,interactions,healty debating.In other words,to get more friends who love badminton,to talk about this sport....

Now,what we've come into?This isn't what we r looking for in BC.So,stop it..:(