i definately think so:)

if it is to be LD vs LCW.......then it will be really a clash of the titans.......the last time they met was in china master right??? won by LD in rubber games??

this will be a nice match..........
just, dont repeat the incidences in CO...........

Well, LD will get a walkover or a practice match with CJ, then he'll thrash LCW in the final.
At least LCW don't have to worry about winning.
Play like in FO, enjoy the badminton and don't let the left knee get worse.

Well, LD will get a walkover or a practice match with CJ, then he'll thrash LCW in the final.
At least LCW don't have to worry about winning.
Play like in FO, enjoy the badminton and don't let the left knee get worse.

Not sure about that at all.. LD has enough points to be quite secure 1st ranked for OG.. LYB may want CJ to get more points to get as high ranking as possible for OG...

If the mnatch is thrown I would suspect it would be CJ who gets the win..

But on the other hand LYB may be afraid that LCW will gather to many points and be "safe" in 2 place on the ranking if he takes the title, so maybe he feels LD has a bigger chance of taking the points away from LCW :-)

/T

no matter wat happen..
i think the final will be LCW vs Great Wall of China!
haha

Well, LD will get a walkover or a practice match with CJ, then he'll thrash LCW in the final.
At least LCW don't have to worry about winning.
Play like in FO, enjoy the badminton and don't let the left knee get worse.
LCW still has Kenneth to worry about. Kenneth has been playing well and quietly and the way he dispatched the Hashim brothers was just amazing with a 21-5 to each brother. LCW will be expecting a tough match from Kenneth.

Assuming a LD-LCW final comes true, LCW has to keep his expectation low as LD surely will have some "advantage" from his teammate.

Wait... Has anyone thought of a CJ-LCW final? Possible reasons could be to increase CJ's OQ points and not to expose LD to LCW yet.:rolleyes:

LCW should have no problem with Kenneth if he play intelligently and calmly. :cool:

LCW still has Kenneth to worry about. Kenneth has been playing well and quietly and the way he dispatched the Hashim brothers was just amazing with a 21-5 to each brother. LCW will be expecting a tough match from Kenneth.

Assuming a LD-LCW final comes true, LCW has to keep his expectation low as LD surely will have some "advantage" from his teammate.

Wait... Has anyone thought of a CJ-LCW final? Possible reasons could be to increase CJ's OQ points and not to expose LD to LCW yet.:rolleyes:

LCW still has Kenneth to worry about.
Kenneth Jonassen has as much of a chance against Lee Chong Wei as a chicken has in a Chinese soup stall. :rolleyes:

The Hashim brothers are not a good reference point...
...they have descended to almost club level badminton now. :)

KJ will get diced, eaten and digested before LCW begins to even break a sweat :cool:

According to the reports, Lee CW leg was still pain. It left a big question mark over how will he perform tomorrow

It is such a coincidence that this year's HK open Men singles semi-final has exactly the same 4 participants in it. Only difference is that they are now facing different opponents.

Last year semi:
LD vs Kenneth
LCW vs CJ

Final: LD vs LCW
Winner: LD

This year semi:
LD vs CJ
LCW vs Kenneth

thanks for the research. Who do you think will win MS?

Well, LD will get a walkover or a practice match with CJ, then he'll thrash LCW in the final.
At least LCW don't have to worry about winning.
Play like in FO, enjoy the badminton and don't let the left knee get worse.

:D There is no surprise if CJ withdraws, then LD can have a good rest for another day by enjoying watching LCW and KJ fighting life and death on the court. Eventually, LD beats LCW as LCW running out of stamina.

thanks for the research. Who do you think will win MS?

Not much research necessary, since some of my favorite matches were the semi and final of HK open 06... so it just came to mind.:p

The best player out of the last 4 at this time will win... is that a good enough answer?:p I actually want to see a CJ vs Kenneth final, but that's not very likely though.:p

Not much research necessary, since some of my favorite matches were the semi and final of HK open 06... so it just came to mind.:p

The best player out of the last 4 at this time will win... is that a good enough answer?:p I actually want to see a CJ vs Kenneth final, but that's not very likely though.:p
You just completed an evening course in Diplomacy? It's working!

You just completed an evening course in Diplomacy? It's working!

What do you mean I completed a course in Diplomacy? I define the word DIPLOMACY... just kidding:p

LD lost in the first round in OC means he got more time to rest then LCW,which means it'll be so hard for LCW to win..well,that is only if LCW can win tommorow's match against Jonassen.

It is such a coincidence that this year's HK open Men singles semi-final has exactly the same 4 participants in it. Only difference is that they are now facing different opponents.

Last year semi:
LD vs Kenneth
LCW vs CJ

Final: LD vs LCW
Winner: LD

This year semi:
LD vs CJ
LCW vs Kenneth

Then this year should be

Final : CJ vs Kenneth
Winner : .... I hope one of them would win :D

Very nice observation! If there is no team order, should be another LD - LCW final.

It is such a coincidence that this year's HK open Men singles semi-final has exactly the same 4 participants in it. Only difference is that they are now facing different opponents.

Last year semi:
LD vs Kenneth
LCW vs CJ

Final: LD vs LCW
Winner: LD

This year semi:
LD vs CJ
LCW vs Kenneth

Then this year should be

Final : CJ vs Kenneth
Winner : .... I hope one of them would win :D

I second that! CJ vs Kenneth for the final! :cool:

I second that! CJ vs Kenneth for the final! :cool:

If it does happen... As much of a Chen Jin fan as I am, I actually would like to see Kenneth wins another title... this is quite a good yet rare chance for him, and these chances don't come very often.

If it does happen... As much of a Chen Jin fan as I am, I actually would like to see Kenneth wins another title... this is quite a good yet rare chance for him, and these chances don't come very often.actually, KJ had a good chance beating LD last year but a bad call on the second set threw KJ's back momentum. First time i saw KJ yelled aloud on a call. KJ won the 1st set too.

Arguably LD hadn't gone up to full speed at that time... It's really hard to imagine KJ beating LD. LD is simply too fast for KJ.

By the way, I was right in saying TH will play till the end even if LD is beating the hell out of him. Haha. :D

actually, KJ had a good chance beating LD last year but a bad call on the second set threw KJ's back momentum. First time i saw KJ yelled aloud on a call. KJ won the 1st set too.

Anyway, there's no sign of foul play so far in Hong Kong Open, is quite common players play half-heartedly when the same nation face one another, don't blame them as other participants who have chance to change the course failed to do so, for example Soni lost tamely to Chen Jin and Taufik lost to Lin Dan hence cause the possible walk on next round when Lin Dan face Chen Jin depending on the outcome of Jonassen vs Chong Wei. Imagine if these two players go to distance and the Chinese chose to walk, can you blame the Chinese?
Zhou Mi also got the "gift" from Wong Chen but Hirose send Zhou packing is the best solution to avoid this kind of occurrence.
Still, I will stick to my BF and Boleh together with my fellow Malaysian tonight, Chong Wei Jar You!!!

..all of these whispers about a possible WO in the LD vs. CJ Semi Finals match made me think of a well-known phrase...Maybe CHN really can "Walk the talk"...hmm..:confused::rolleyes:;)

Arguably LD hadn't gone up to full speed at that time... It's really hard to imagine KJ beating LD. LD is simply too fast for KJ.

i didnt say LD can't beat KJ. LD can lose because he woke up too late or miss timed his afterburner. It happened playing against TH many times before and i have noted this many times before. KJ run on points and momentum came to a halt right after the the bad call.

By the way, I was right in saying TH will play till the end even if LD is beating the hell out of him. Haha. :D

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=736259&postcount=368
Unless u can prove it that u said it before i did, i get the last laugh:rolleyes:

If u know TH so well, why didnt u predict the LD vs TH outcome before hand?

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Why are you so defensive. Of course I predicted the result. Here:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50234

Posts #10 and #14. Although I have to admit that I had thought TH has improved since French Open, while it seems indeed he has not. Also overall my predictions sucked this time.

I realized I made a mistake. When I replied your post, I thought you were the one I replied to in the above posts (in fact it's bananakid :D). I apologize.

However, my prediction is more accurate in that: 1. there is no dubious calls. 2. few ppl are making excuses for TH. 3. LD indeed beated the hell out of TH. :D

As for KJ, I watched the HKO 06 video quite a few times, never thought he can really beat LD even if there is no bad call. He is too old to do that. :cool: And I would not argue with you what happened when LD lost to TH. :D

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No.. i was Japan Open 2007. LCW beats LD in semi final and beats Taufik in the Final to crown the JP Champion...

if it is to be LD vs LCW.......then it will be really a clash of the titans.......the last time they met was in china master right??? won by LD in rubber games??

I wish Taufik would stop embarrassing himself... :)
Funnily enough, those who think he can't be beaten continue to ooze empty optimism :rolleyes:

Withdrawing from the China Open doesn't seem to have given him enough energy to beat LD :p

I wish Taufik would stop embarrassing himself... :)
Funnily enough, those who think he can't be beaten continue to ooze empty optimism :rolleyes:

Withdrawing from the China Open doesn't seem to have given him enough energy to beat LD :p
He is just smart enough to choose the right time to peak-- For Beijing 2008 :p

He is just smart enough to choose the right time to peak-- For Beijing 2008 :p
ooops, comment withdrawn to refrain hurting some people feelings :D

Kenneth Jonassen has as much of a chance against Lee Chong Wei as a chicken has in a Chinese soup stall. :rolleyes:

The Hashim brothers are not a good reference point...
...they have descended to almost club level badminton now. :)

KJ will get diced, eaten and digested before LCW begins to even break a sweat :cool:


I like the chicken soup metaphor.:D

To suggest that KJ can win is dreaming as he lost easily to LCW in the last two tournaments they met. Despite KJ beating the Hashims, he is not the same level as LCW. Sorry, I vote for Oldhand's Chicken soup theory.:)

I like the chicken soup metaphor.:D

To suggest that KJ can win is dreaming as he lost easily to LCW in the last two tournaments they met. Despite KJ beating the Hashims, he is not the same level as LCW. Sorry, I vote for Oldhand's Chicken soup theory.:)

Um, I hope LCW does make a soup of KJ :cool:
Or else I'll have to eat my words... I mean, my chicken :o

Last year semi:
LD vs Kenneth
LCW vs CJ

Final: LD vs LCW
Winner: LD

This year semi:
LD vs CJ
LCW vs Kenneth

thus, LCW will win the HKO 2007.............:D
revenge to the China's team at CO.......:cool:

I still have a lot of respect for Kenneth, his stamina is maintained, better than Gade, WCH, Roslin, all of whom are younger. Stamina wise, he can still match up to the younger brigade. He is like Poul Erik Hoyer-Larsen and Morten Frost, good up to the last mile.

The only thing that probably stops him from getting the edge over players like LD, LCW and CJ is pace .......

its hard to say

its hard to say

welcome to BC..........:)
yes, it is hard to say. we just speculate......:D:D:D

speculate away.......i am worried that LCW will not make it. first, he had to play all the way to finals in CO2007 and thus he might be a little lethargic by now. second, his injury seems to be worst than when he was in China (my deduction was simply done by looking at the amount of bandage he has on his knees and thighs areas, inconclusive i know but it's the only clue i have; plus we are only speculating here :D). third, kenneth can be stubborn and there's no guarantee he will be beaten by LCW. on a good day i think KJ can beat top players. :) fourth, lin dan is surely well rested and have an advantage to reach the finals. so...........

what my heart wants : LCW vs LD in finals and LCW wins

what my head tells me could happen : KJ beat LCW and meet LD in finals where LD will proceed to show what made him no 1 in the world.

oh how i wish for taufik to be in the finals :D but any match between taufik, LCW and LD is always entertaining. :)

oh how i wish for taufik to be in the finals :D but any match between taufik [...] and LD is always entertaining. :)
...yeah, this time it was quite entertaining for Lin Dan :D

speculate away.......i am worried that LCW will not make it. first, he had to play all the way to finals in CO2007 and thus he might be a little lethargic by now. second, his injury seems to be worst than when he was in China (my deduction was simply done by looking at the amount of bandage he has on his knees and thighs areas, inconclusive i know but it's the only clue i have; plus we are only speculating here :D).

Doesn't look good for LCW, seems that his injury is pretty bad, maybe not enough to stop him playing, but enough to stop him from winning the title ..... :crying: Reports from Badzine mentioned of him limping and he mentioned it at the RTM interview.

Doesn't look good for LCW, seems that his injury is pretty bad, maybe not enough to stop him playing, but enough to stop him from winning the title ..... :crying: Reports from Badzine mentioned of him limping and he mentioned it at the RTM interview.

I saw that too, + can see him limping after winning the match with PG, PG asking him about it.

But there were no highlights during French Open, so we dont know if it was as bad as during FO. We shall see during the match today, how he plays.
Going by past records, he should get past KJ.
But to win against in form LD, percentage is low, unless LD's injury also act up.

that's what i am thinking too abedeng. the injury could just be that bad to prevent him playing to his best ability. :(

For LCW, reaching the final is already a big success. He shouldn't worry about how to beat LD at the current stage. First thing first: make sure he will not be out early like 06WC and 07WC.

I saw that too, + can see him limping after winning the match with PG, PG asking him about it.

But there were no highlights during French Open, so we dont know if it was as bad as during FO. We shall see during the match today, how he plays.
Going by past records, he should get past KJ.
But to win against in form LD, percentage is low, unless LD's injury also act up.

I saw that too, + can see him limping after winning the match with PG, PG asking him about it.

But there were no highlights during French Open, so we dont know if it was as bad as during FO. We shall see during the match today, how he plays.
Going by past records, he should get past KJ.
But to win against in form LD, percentage is low, unless LD's injury also act up.
LD has injury acting up and he thrashed TH? Oh, I forgot; mental injury.

Yes. He's over-excited. :D

LD has injury acting up and he thrashed TH? Oh, I forgot; mental injury.

LD has injury acting up and he thrashed TH? Oh, I forgot; mental injury.

Hiyaaa, I was refering to LD's 1st round lost to Park in China Open. One of the reasons given was some of injury he sustained. But going by LD's form, his injury recovered by time he reached HK

Hiyaaa, I was refering to LD's 1st round lost to Park in China Open. One of the reasons given was some of injury he sustained. But going by LD's form, his injury recovered by time he reached HK
oh, I remember now, his foot got naughty and injured. So looks like LCW's the only MS who can win ,carrying an injury.

Um, I hope LCW does make a soup of KJ :cool:
Or else I'll have to eat my words... I mean, my chicken :o
Kenneth Jonassen has been practicing a rather bizarre service action :eek:
Anyway, injury or no injury, LCW has begun his soup-making in earnest :D
Game 1 over now :p

21-13 :)
KJ is not gonna be very happy with that :cool:

The deed is done... LCW is in the HK2007 final :)
It was a slow and natural death for KJ's chances :cool:
Here you are: 21-13, 21-17

It is now depend on LD whether he want to make our dream comes through.....

My prediction is LCW will finish the HKO with a final bang. He is running hot whereas LD looks like he has already completed his year and looking forward to his holidays.

Kenneth Jonassen has been practicing a rather bizarre service action :eek:
Anyway, injury or no injury, LCW has begun his soup-making in earnest :D
Game 1 over now :p

even the spectators couldn't stand them and had been laughing almost through out the match whenever he served............:D:D:D:D

Jonassen serving, then pause in the middle of the serve, "should i serve low or high?? let me think............................................. .................................................. ..............................................."

(the audience started to laugh) i better serve now, it's getting bad on me. (high flick serve and it was out) :D:D:D:D:D:D

oh, I remember now, his foot got naughty and injured. So looks like LCW's the only MS who can win ,carrying an injury.

U being slightly sarcastic like me ?;) China player injury seem to miraculously heal as it suits them (Li De Quan, dont get angry). LCW we know his injury for real, why would he bandage his knee for so long.

Anyway, can see after the SF match with KJ, LCW limp little bit. Should be interesting match tomm, hope LCW will play his best but not aggravate his injury.

abt LD VS CJ! one of the player will walk over, see LYB decision!! trust me.. this is the way China always use!

abt LD VS CJ! one of the player will walk over, see LYB decision!! trust me.. this is the way China always use!

I heard they are getting some advice from WWE................to make sure spectators who paid for the tickets worth their time & money.:D:D:D It's fixed, but no more walk overs.

even the spectators couldn't stand them and had been laughing almost through out the match whenever he served............:D:D:D:D

Jonassen serving, then pause in the middle of the serve, "should i serve low or high?? let me think............................................. .................................................. ..............................................."

(the audience started to laugh) i better serve now, it's getting bad on me. (high flick serve and it was out) :D:D:D:D:D:D
You're so right with what's on his mind,it's really funny.He gave LCW a 3 point discount with his bad long serve.But he played well today and it's good to see his progress against LCW.
He really needs to change his serve and perfect it once and for all.The serve bothers him too much.Short serve is not hot;long serve go long 50% of the time.The moment he fixes his serve, mentally his play may improve 10%. I hope he gets into the top 4 for OG08 because he can do it.

The audiences were kinda cruel to laugh at him when he changed one of the serve to back hand serve cos the fore hand serves didn't seem to be working for him......................have faith, Kenneth !!!...........:D:D:D

At some point, i thought he was trying to make the opponent move before his actually serves, you know, to get a fault from the umpire. If it was me, i've gotten few faults. he was pausing there for 1.5 to 2 seconds max at some serves.:D:D:D

despite all this, he played well. i know why Hashim Bro got 21-5 already.;)
I'm guessing that his service helped him a lot.............:D:D:D

According to the reports, Lee CW leg was still pain. It left a big question mark over how will he perform tomorrow

Yes...in RTM1....news..just now...they reported LCW still feeling pain in his leg........and forced himselves to play and win .....:eek:

With that leg pain, LCW has reached three super series finals in a row, one of which he won. Plus a semifinal in Denmark. In terms of technical ability and tactical understanding, he has improved, overcoming his physical limitations with better in game tactics.

But Malaysia should worry about being overly dependent on LCW, the rest of the MS squad is lagging too far behind to lend credible support. Could you really blame him for blowing up at the World Championships?

And the same thing is happening to Koo/Tan, under tremendous pressure 'cos they are practically the only ones capable of lifting MD titles ......

Tomorrow will be the 3rd time in a row that Lin Dan eliminate Lee Chong Wei in the Hong Kong Open... since 2005.

well, if LCW wins, he'll praise himself 4 playing brilliantly... if LD wins, LCW would definately say that his knee is in pain and therefor he cant play well... LCW always has excuses... Even Misbun is helping him to come up with excuses...

abt LD VS CJ! one of the player will walk over, see LYB decision!! trust me.. this is the way China always use!

nah.... just retired half way ................:p

well, if LCW wins, he'll praise himself 4 playing brilliantly... if LD wins, LCW would definately say that his knee is in pain and therefor he cant play well... LCW always has excuses... Even Misbun is helping him to come up with excuses...

The pain will not stop him from playing hard and walk, that we should appreciate and respect. Chong Wei did not get any help on these two tournaments(China and Hong Kong Opens), he has to play very hard to win over all his opponents unlike the Chinese players, so having ache and pain are normal, don't you think so? Further more, if that "excuse" can make his play pressure free and win more games, why not?
Chong Wei is getting more mature after the collapse in World Championship, give him credit and continue to support his as fellow Malaysian.
To me, all the Chinese players are world class, not just in skill but also in attitude, unfortunately, we look at them so different now mainly due to the orders they have to obey coming from the top, just see how Chen Hong reputation is ruin and how sad his career is ending ...

I'm not saying that i dun respect him... I respect LCW, dun get me wrong... Its just that he has alot of excuses when he lose... I jus dont understand why he cant take it easy like any other players?? He dont have to say anything, u know... Nobody will blame him or beat him up if he has no excuses...

well, if LCW wins, he'll praise himself 4 playing brilliantly... if LD wins, LCW would definately say that his knee is in pain and therefor he cant play well... LCW always has excuses... Even Misbun is helping him to come up with excuses...

1) Lin Dan does the same thing too, not counting the walkovers he gets.
So would other players cos the reporter would what strategies you use, players just answering questions.

2) Excuses?? He won a SS title with that 'excuse'. Did you see his knee and thighs in ice packs on tv ? Did you see him limping after matches in HK Open?
Did you him grimacing in French Open, every time he dived or did a jump smash? In Hong Kong, it seems to be worse.

And Maximum, you also kena Maximum from other BCers for sayng that

I'm not saying that i dun respect him... I respect LCW, dun get me wrong... Its just that he has alot of excuses when he lose... .

Did LCW make excuses when he lost last week? All I remembered was that he mentioned that Bao Chunlai was the better player and deserved the win, but he wished that the controversial line calls did not happen, so that the match could be made closer than the scoreline suggests. Even if the injury was mentioned, he didn't use it as an excuse.

But it's actually easy to ensure players not to find excuses for their loss, just don't ask them why they lost and accept it that it was not their day ....... :D:D:D.

But we don't do that, do we? Nah, we need to know everything, with "spies" armed with high tech cameras, roaming through tournaments and "inside men" getting first hand news from the respective team coaches and players while dining with them. And the reason we do so is because we care ....... ;)

BTW. China play very dirty and not supportive.

We can see in SemiFinalGao:
Ling/ Zheng Bo won (Workover)
Lin Dan Won (Ritired)

Some tactic and politic from China to save power. BWF must know this and give china penalty for this. This is not fair.

We can see INA don't want to use this because sport must be supportive.

I want Ina Xd can Beat China Xd today.

I want Lee Chong Wei Beat Lin Dan


if it is to be LD vs LCW.......then it will be really a clash of the titans.......the last time they met was in china master right??? won by LD in rubber games??

Also Gao Ling - Zheng Bo. They tactic is very dirty and not supportive for sport. China make the sport dirty already.

You can see INA don't want to use this for mix double in Semi Final.

This one we know: china afraid to INA and Malaysia.

I hope this tactic unsuccessful. I want LCW win and Liliana Natsir-Nova win.

By the way, Taufik wan to finish his games faster with Lindan because He want to watch Miss World in Hongkong...hhaaa

abt LD VS CJ! one of the player will walk over, see LYB decision!! trust me.. this is the way China always use!

Lets hope LCW wins but LD is the best player on earth (coz he can beat me :eek::p). Anyway, sports are result-driven and LYB will do everything within his authority to win 5 golds in OG08. We all hate this scumbag but let me ask u one question: "if u hv top three players in every category, u can do what i'm doing. Do u have that priviledge?"

so, look around ourselves. which country has top three players (in top 8)? CHN has in MS, WS, WD so that they can manipulate the results.

Msia Boleh...!!! LCW gambate...!!!

BTW. China play very dirty and not supportive.

We can see in SemiFinalGao:
Ling/ Zheng Bo won (Workover)
Lin Dan Won (Ritired)

Some tactic and politic from China to save power. BWF must know this and give china penalty for this. This is not fair.

We can see INA don't want to use this because sport must be supportive.

I want Ina Xd can Beat China Xd today.

I want Lee Chong Wei Beat Lin Dan

For them,it's not dirty.Simply because they dont have the way of thinking/perception like most of us do.All they know is to win the match/tournament..n how to win..that's all.That's how it's done in china.They dont bother to think of what others might think..since for them,winning is the most important thing in a game.Esp when they r already the world's no 1 country for badminton.

Well, LD will get a walkover or a practice match with CJ, then he'll thrash LCW in the final.
At least LCW don't have to worry about winning.
Play like in FO, enjoy the badminton and don't let the left knee get worse.

You are right man! Chinese team always play "dirty"!

For them,it's not dirty.Simply because they dont have the way of thinking/perception like most of us do.All they know is to win the match/tournament..n how to win..that's all.That's how it's done in china.They dont bother to think of what others might think..since for them,winning is the most important thing in a game.Esp when they r already the world's no 1 country for badminton.

They are lack of sportmanship. They play "dirty" to win. What a shame!!!

take is easy guys.. I can smell another closed thread coming.

They are lack of sportmanship. They play "dirty" to win. What a shame!!!

Hehe..don't be such a narrow minded.When u learn some lessons in the school about differences between ur country n another countries,u might think that "wow..how come".."why is it so different than our country".."our country is better"..or "their country is better"..but,that's the way it is.They're not u,n u're not them.


The thing is that,u dont think they way they think.If u got such a way of thinking,like they do..i'm not sure u'd think that it's a shame.


PS:I'm not supporting for china's so called "dirty act" anyhow,n my nationality is not chinese.I'm also not supporting for china,but i'm just seeing from the other angle.The wider angle.So,dont u guys think that "Of course u support them,u're chinese"..:):),since i'm not even supporting them.In fact,I was bored to watch chinese dominating badminton..either it's healthy or unhealthy.

You are right man! Chinese team always play "dirty"!

"Dirty"... is this what you mean "dirty"... the fact that they can always have the opportunity to play "dirty" suggest that they are better(as a unit) than the other nations. If they aren't better, what makes you think they can always take up more than 50% of the total slots in semi-finals of all tournaments.

If you want to talk about "dirty", you may as well just talk about athletes that use illegal substances that boost up their performance... now that's dirty.

The Chinese train hard, and they perform well enough until they get to the point where they can determine internally which person/pair to advance further... can you really blame them? Why not blame the other player(s) who can't stop them from doing such a "dirty" thing... eg. stop letting them win and proceed to the point where it is China vs China.:rolleyes:

:cool: Lee will certainly be the underdog Will this game be shown live on the internet

Is there anyone who knows if it will be shown live on internet
I hope it will be Lee C W against Lin Dan:cool:

:crying:Tomorrow will be the 3rd time in a row that Lin Dan eliminate Lee Chong Wei in the Hong Kong Open... since 2005.


Don't underestimate the underdog? It could be a disguise in blessing 4 L C wei

Hong Kong Open 2007 Mens Singles Final: Lin Dan[1] vs Lee Chong Wei[2] :):):)



just, don't repeat the incidences in CO...........






Well, LD will get a walkover or a practice match with CJ, then he'll thrash LCW in the final.






Assuming a LD-LCW final comes true, LCW has to keep his expectation low as LD surely will have some "advantage" from his teammate.






According to the reports, Lee CW leg was still pain. It left a big question mark over how will he perform tomorrow






:D There is no surprise if CJ withdraws, then LD can have a good rest for another day by enjoying watching LCW and KJ fighting life and death on the court. Eventually, LD beats LCW as LCW running out of stamina.




What have been posted about the players for this MS Final could not have been predicted with more accuracy. :):):)

With just a few more hours before this MS Final, we are hoping that their officials/umpire/service judge/lines persons will do the right thing this time. :confused::confused::confused:

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:cool: Lee will certainly be the underdog Will this game be shown live on the internet

Go see "Hong Open Live" thread. Online, GD Sports will be showing.

And yes LCW will be underdog. we just have to see how's his knee injury

If one work hard and become better than others, then one has the right to cheat? :eek: I totally disagree.

"Dirty"... is this what you mean "dirty"... the fact that they can always have the opportunity to play "dirty" suggest that they are better(as a unit) than the other nations. If they aren't better, what makes you think they can always take up more than 50% of the total slots in semi-finals of all tournaments.

If you want to talk about "dirty", you may as well just talk about athletes that use illegal substances that boost up their performance... now that's dirty.

The Chinese train hard, and they perform well enough until they get to the point where they can determine internally which person/pair to advance further... can you really blame them? Why not blame the other player(s) who can't stop them from doing such a "dirty" thing... eg. stop letting them win and proceed to the point where it is China vs China.:rolleyes:

"Dirty"... is this what you mean "dirty"... the fact that they can always have the opportunity to play "dirty" suggest that they are better(as a unit) than the other nations. If they aren't better, what makes you think they can always take up more than 50% of the total slots in semi-finals of all tournaments.

I think you are missing the point.. IF MS was a team events, then the reasoning would make sense.. But why should for example world no 3. player have an advantage over world no. 2. player just because world no.4 player happens to be the same nationality..

Playing as a team in an individual event, is of course unfair against players playing individual..

(just like it would be unfair to play 3 people togehter in poker against 2 people who played independently, as an example)..

You could argue that it would be "fair" as other nations could potentiallhy do the same.. And this is true if MS was indeed a country/team event, not an individual event..from an individual head-to-head competition standpoint the results gets skewed if 4 players just "supports" a fifth in a big elimination torunament.

/Twobeer

I think you are missing the point.. IF MS was a team events, then the reasoning would make sense.. But why should for example world no 3. player have an advantage over world no. 2. player just because world no.4 player happens to be the same nationality..

Playing as a team in an individual event, is of course unfair against players playing individual..

(just like it would be unfair to play 3 people togehter in poker against 2 people who played independently, as an example)..

You could argue that it would be "fair" as other nations could potentiallhy do the same.. And this is true if MS was indeed a country/team event, not an individual event..from an individual head-to-head competition standpoint the results gets skewed if 4 players just "supports" a fifth in a big elimination torunament.

/Twobeer

Hehe, I think you are missing a key point as well.

Technically, you are right. However, who supports the players from the first place? THE country. Why is the country doing this? Is it just for the fun of the players? For pure sportsmanship? I highly doubt. To bring medals and glory back to the country seems more important. MAS wishes to win major titles for years, and they still do. Other countries are no different. Under the current BWF structure, I don't see anything as complete individual events.

If this keeps happening, you may want to direct your complaints to BWF. :p

And yes LCW will be underdog. we just have to see how's his knee injury
I have to disagree with that. If LCW is an underdog, then who else in this world is not when playing LD?

Everyone is an underdog when playing LD currently. :cool:

I have to disagree with that. If LCW is an underdog, then who else in this world is not when playing LD?

I really hope that LD still lose to LCW despite having all the advantage from CJ walkover.

I really hope that LD still lose to LCW despite having all the advantage from CJ walkover.
Well,this is my wish too..I hope all the player who gain advantage from walkover will loss today..:D

the bottom line is: China is ruining the game by taking all these cheap actions. They might even win without the need of taking such unsportmenlike actions, but still they want to win at all cost. Shame on them.

the bottom line is: China is ruining the game by taking all these cheap actions. They might even win without the need of taking such unsportmenlike actions, but still they want to win at all cost. Shame on them.

Agree with you. Even if China win their matches today, it will be hollow victories.......nothing to shout about, nothing to be happy about. For Malaysians and Indonesians we already celebrated our victories yesterday, winning in today's finals will even be more juicier and sweeter.........

If one work hard and become better than others, then one has the right to cheat? :eek: I totally disagree.
This is first class clarity in thinking. Couldn't do better.
Bananakid ,appreciate this first pearl of wisdom from ye333.

They are lack of sportmanship. They play "dirty" to win. What a shame!!!

When officiating is done by humans, there are bound to be human errors.
The match is over and done with.

Lets watch today's final between LD & LCW.

My money is on LD to win it. ;)

When officiating is done by humans, there are bound to be human errors.
The match is over and done with.

Lets watch today's final between LD & LCW.

My money is on LD to win it. ;)

I think LD will win today,...he is so fresh...just playing knowing that CJ will let him w/o.......and LCW wass fighting with KJ with an injury in his knee..........

But remember....if LD win........its somethings totally meaningless......and its a shame to the world of badminton......its too dirty indeed..:rolleyes:

I think LD will win today,...he is so fresh...just playing knowing that CJ will let him w/o.......and LCW wass fighting with KJ with an injury in his knee..........

But remember....if LD win........its somethings totally meaningless......and its a shame to the world of badminton......its too dirty indeed..:rolleyes:

Why must Malaysian fans always come up with excuses?? LD being fresher? Well, LCW had a pretty easy semi final against KJ yesterday as well, winning in straight sets.

We need to learn how to accept defeat graciously and not be a sore loser. All those claims about biased judgings are petty. If our players are good enough, they are good enough no matter what. Are we gonna say the reasons why we last won the TC was in 92 and never took the Olympic gold or WC because of biased judgings & etc?

If one work hard and become better than others, then one has the right to cheat? :eek: I totally disagree.this cheating allegation is spreading like bird flu. U guys pointing fingers indiscriminately. In the lyb thread, fingers points to lyb. In this thread, blame moved to the players themself. So did chen jin cheated or lin dan cheated? What's next, lin dan parents cheated too? Since the controversial line calls are made by chinese line judges, so really, the chinese fans cheated... is it?
Some of u whiners say chen jin helped LD by a walkover but didn't chen jin had back problem against lcw in french open too? did chen jin cheated and gave lcw an easy match too? Can't a guy who is experiencing back pain has the rights to stop playing?

lcw lost to bcl not too long ago and now up against one far more superior than bcl ... ld ! odds r definately agaisnt lcw ... and i think lcw likesssss to be in these kinda situation ... lesser pressure and when he is no pressure he is no worries .... todays game i predict ... game of the year ! haaa ... *cross fingers/toes/tongues/arm/legs/*

lcw lost to bcl not too long ago and now up against one far more superior than bcl ... ld ! odds r definately agaisnt lcw ... and i think lcw likesssss to be in these kinda situation ... lesser pressure and when he is no pressure he is no worries .... todays game i predict ... game of the year ! haaa ... *cross fingers/toes/tongues/arm/legs/*

IT IS THE MALAYSIAN FANS, MEDIA and COACHING STAFF that dictate LCW's success. It has been shown that whenever high expectation for LCW to win, LCW loses. When MAL fans lost hope of LCW winning, LCW wins. This fan expection correlationship is far reliable than any theories out there in determining lcw's success.

lcw lost to bcl not too long ago and now up against one far more superior than bcl ... ld ! odds r definately agaisnt lcw ... and i think lcw likesssss to be in these kinda situation ... lesser pressure and when he is no pressure he is no worries .... todays game i predict ... game of the year ! haaa ... *cross fingers/toes/tongues/arm/legs/*

My friend, ever heard of Paul Erik Hoyer Larsen?? Well, he went to the Atlanta Olympics at the age of 31 and took part in the men's singles and won it beating Diong Jiong in straight sets. The odds then were definately against him then.

Our LCW and Malaysia gotta learn from such examples.

Actually there's team events like Sudiman C, Thomas C and Uber C to take care of what you describe.
But I understand the "Chinaman' thinking now.Do you think Tang Xin Hu will agree with you?

Did you see LCW bearing a national flag after winning in FO? Why?

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Well, I have to say, you did quite get my point. Think twice. It's the current BWF game structure / regulations cause the problem. Nobody did anything illegal. This is the bottom line.

Do something useful to beat them on court or change the reality. Talking is cheap, that's why there were / are too much talking about the samething again and again.

this cheating allegation is spreading like bird flu. U guys pointing fingers indiscriminately. In the lyb thread, fingers points to lyb. In this thread, blame moved to the players themself. So did chen jin cheated or lin dan cheated? What's next, lin dan parents cheated too? Since the controversial line calls are made by chinese line judges, so really, the chinese fans cheated... is it?
Some of u whiners say chen jin helped LD by a walkover but didn't chen jin had back problem against lcw in french open too? did chen jin cheated and gave lcw an easy match too? Can't a guy who is experiencing back pain has the rights to stop playing?
But in FO, CJ had a tough match defeating PG before LCW. Even then, despite obvious injury,he displayed sportsmanship(?) by completing his match to give LCW a credible victory.
Here, he whipped Sony in 30 mins before meeting LD. Why would he need to retire in G2 when he was leading? It's so un CJ-like.Look at CJ's route. He had a tough 55min match opener with THA's young gun, Soompat. then easy with Gong?, then surprisingly easy with Sony so why should he be injured? (CJ showed no injury in CO)
CJ has no problems giving the match to LD because he himself possibly has been the recipient of similar gifts from lesser known CHN opponents.(CO and HKO?)
But in retiring, he did not give LD a credible victory and tarnish his own sportsmanship image.What's he trying to say? 'LD, if we continue playing,I may win, so i better stop now'.

Careful guys. We don't need cheap comments against each other.:)

Did you see LCW bearing a national flag after winning in FO? Why?

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Well, I have to say, you did quite get my point. Think twice. It's the current BWF game structure / regulations cause the problem. Nobody did anything illegal. This is the bottom line.

Do something useful to beat them on court or change the reality. Talking is cheap, that's why there were / are too much talking about the samething again and again.


arguement is fine, but personal attack is shameful.
nibaxiang, my friend. why do you talk with him. pjswift is just a sore loser.
his country man can't win a title, he just envy you being so-called "Chinaman".

guys, despite what I have said, I think that this walkover between CJ and LD was genuine.... I sincerely think that CJ had an injury.

But in FO, CJ had a tough match defeating PG before LCW. Even then, despite obvious injury,he displayed sportsmanship(?) by completing his match to give LCW a credible victory.
Here, he whipped Sony in 30 mins before meeting LD. Why would he need to retire in G2 when he was leading? It's so un CJ-like.Look at CJ's route. He had a tough 55min match opener with THA's young gun, Soompat. then easy with Gong?, then surprisingly easy with Sony so why should he be injured? (CJ showed no injury in CO)
CJ has no problems giving the match to LD because he himself possibly has been the recipient of similar gifts from lesser known CHN opponents.(CO and HKO?)
But in retiring, he did not give LD a credible victory and tarnish his own sportsmanship image.What's he trying to say? 'LD, if we continue playing,I may win, so i better stop now'.

why can't CJ retire? BCL did it in this HK open too.
you think Roslin is cheating?

guys, despite what I have said, I think that this walkover between CJ and LD was genuine.... I sincerely think that CJ had an injury.


wow, this is the first time I agree with you.:D

guys, despite what I have said, I think that this walkover between CJ and LD was genuine.... I sincerely think that CJ had an injury.
Are you being careful????? I just gotta warning from Cheung so if I disappear ,don't be surprised.

Did you see LCW bearing a national flag after winning in FO? Why?

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Well, I have to say, you did quite get my point. Think twice. It's the current BWF game structure / regulations cause the problem. Nobody did anything illegal. This is the bottom line.

Do something useful to beat them on court or change the reality. Talking is cheap, that's why there were / are too much talking about the samething again and again.

Sad, what happen if Indonesian did the same as China did. Indonesian MX=no games, MD=No games.
Nationalism is acceptable but remember that it is entertainment after all. this may be the different between You (not all Chinese supporters) and Me. I still take it is as entertainment those at the end of the day, you want to leave the podium or show as happy man.
If I win I want my opposition to shake hand with me and say 'Well done' and I will reply "I enjoyed the game".

Please don't use the word "Chinaman", "Jap","Indo" from now on.

why can't CJ retire? BCL did it in this HK open too.
you think Roslin is cheating?


It looked like he had an injury but I think you cannot blame PjSwift for having his suspicions given the recent bout of walkovers, one too many whether it is all true.

another locked thread.

and a warning to everyone involved. please watch what you say here. respect each other.