It is reported quite a few years ago that CY has heart problem. And he was suggested to quit badminton. But he decided not to. Anyway, that's before the formation of the Feng-Yun pair I think.

Did u mean he has heart problem? If yes, that's the biggest joke of the year. Judging from the way he plays, I'm pretty sure he has a "few" heart(s) :p:rolleyes:

INA pair simply superb in all aspects, period. :rolleyes:

The tactic that INA applied will not allow CHina pair to attack.....Fu Hai Feng was confused so Cai Yun was panic ......

It is reported quite a few years ago that CY has heart problem. And he was suggested to quit badminton. But he decided not to. Anyway, that's before the formation of the Feng-Yun pair I think.
So why you use it for this loss....CY/FHF was winner of French Open did not show any heart problem or injury....

Hey I am not the one finding excuses for C/F, I am just mentioning a fact. :)

I agree with your observation. Cai and Fu were more and more frustrated as the match went on, and finally they try to rely on desperate tricky shots. In fact MK/HS always make CY/FHF play uncomfortably. What is their head-to-head now? Something like 4:4?

So why you use it for this loss....CY/FHF was winner of French Open did not show any heart problem or injury....

MD games nowadays is quite unpredictable, u win win today , yet lose easily in the following week/month to the same pair.
For INA, MK/Hs just simply too best in the semis , but lets don't be too over excited. (Whether is Cai injured or heart problem or whatever. A win is always a win)
For CHN, life goes on. I am sure u have the chance to avenge ur defeat here. Anywhere. Anytime. (Well, maybe not in china coz as Badmania posted before, they never able to win over Mk/Hs in Mainland)

Did u mean he has heart problem? If yes, that's the biggest joke of the year. Judging from the way he plays, I'm pretty sure he has a "few" heart(s) :p:rolleyes:

INA pair simply superb in all aspects, period. :rolleyes:
it was well known that CY had heart problem and almost cost him to quit badminton when he was a kid.

it was well known that CY had heart problem and almost cost him to quit badminton when he was a kid.
That's correct. We are not doctor nor specialist. Who were we to judge any player is free of injury or actually got some kinda disease?:confused:
Someone suggested CJ was injury free yesterday. But did he /she actually done a physical examine to confirm that :rolleyes:

MD games nowadays is quite unpredictable, u win win today , yet lose easily in the following week/month to the same pair.
For INA, MK/Hs just simply too best in the semis , but lets don't be too over excited. (Whether is Cai injured or heart problem or whatever. A win is always a win)
For CHN, life goes on. I am sure u have the chance to avenge ur defeat here. Anywhere. Anytime. (Well, maybe not in china coz as Badmania posted before, they never able to win over Mk/Hs in Mainland)
Fu Cai won over MK/HS in Cheng Du where INA pairs got 5 service faults and none for China...:cool:

I agree with your observation. Cai and Fu were more and more frustrated as the match went on, and finally they try to rely on desperate tricky shots. In fact MK/HS always make CY/FHF play uncomfortably. What is their head-to-head now? Something like 4:4?

I think the official record even at 3:3 :cool:

BUT, the unofficial record should be 4:5 to Fu/Cai's advantage.

2007: 1-1
Yonex-Sunrise Hong Kong Open Super Series 2007 Kido/Hendra
AVIVA-COFCO China Masters Super Series 2007 Fu/Cai

2006: 2-2
Asian Games Team Event 2006 SF Kido/Hendra (not in official record)
Asian Games Team Event 2006 Group Stage Fu/Cai (not in official record)
Invitational World Cup 2006 Group Stage Fu/Cai (not in official record)
PICC China Open 2006 Kido/Hendra

2005: 0-1
Yonex Japan Open 2005 Fu/Cai

2004: 1-0
Proton Malaysia Open 2004 Kido/Hendra

2003: 0-1
Sanyo Indonesia Open 2003 Fu/Cai

it was well known that CY had heart problem and almost cost him to quit badminton when he was a kid.

can you elaborate more what kind of cai's heart problem is/was ?

That's correct. We are not doctor nor specialist. Who were we to judge any player is free of injury or actually got some kinda disease?:confused:
Someone suggested CJ was injury free yesterday. But did he /she actually done a physical examine to confirm that :rolleyes:

Is that CJ really injured???????:D:D all I can say that CJ is fine....no injury...period..except Bao Chun Lai....

It seems Fu/Cai were so frustrated -- they are forced to play Markis/Hendra's game from the very start -- that they lost concentration, especially Fu.

BINGO. They still could match Kido/Hendra until it was 14-14 in the first set, before they found themselves suddenly losing quickly, only able to win one more point. In the second set, they were also keeping close until it was 7-11 at the interval, and then, the INA pair simply disappeared from their radar and they lost easily 12-21.

can you elaborate more what kind of cai's heart problem is/was ?

I know of this problem, but, it was so long time ago and could not have affected his play yesterday :cool: Strangely, how come he was not suffering from this "heart injury" when the MAS pair won last week?

No Chinese fans even complained that Cai Yun was suffering from this heart injury....they acknowledged that the INA pair simply played better and had control of the game from the very beginning.

Many ppl here are still doubting that MK/HS could win HKO....pls give them credit...we do not find any excuses when INA players lost which I could get 1000 reasons why they lost...

I know of this problem, but, it was so long time ago and could not have affected his play yesterday :cool: Strangely, how come he was not suffering from this "heart injury" when the MAS pair won last week?

:D:D it happens when they lost to INA pairs....when they lost to MAS pairs, they are injury free....:D:D sigh!!

Is that CJ really injured???????:D:D all I can say that CJ is fine....no injury...period..except Bao Chun Lai....

so, how can u know CJ's condition? r u the CN team doc or coach? :D
And according to my observation, BCL is just as fine as CJ, he walkover to Roslin to give Roslin more rest in purpose.

Many ppl here are still doubting that MK/HS could win HKO....pls give them credit...we do not find any excuses when INA players lost which I could get 1000 reasons why they lost...

I agree. MK/HS did well recently, i would say the most consistent pair among others. U should know by now when a player lost, loads of excuses will pop up "he must be injured, he must be fatigue.....".
In such busy schdule, i believe most of the players were nursing some injury and experiencing fatigue, its who hv more will to win. So injury and fatigue is not really a good reason they lost.

so, how can u know CJ's condition? r u the CN team doc or coach? :D
And according to my observation, BCL is just as fine as CJ, he walkover to Roslin to give Roslin more rest in purpose.
I can tell you that I know the situation...yes...knowsome chinese team members well....I talked to BCL after the match and he flew to Beijing in that afternoon....Yes..I know BCL ...do you?

So are you also in chn team doc or coach that you know CJ is really injured?????:D

Check out this (http://www.badzine.info/content/view/12/3/); it details about his heart problems

I agree. MK/HS did well recently, i would say the most consistent pair among others. U should know by now when a player lost, loads of excuses will pop up "he must be injured, he must be fatigue.....".
In such busy schdule, i believe most of the players were nursing some injury and experiencing fatigue, its who hv more will to win. So injury and fatigue is not really a good reason they lost.

That's a fair comment!

For those who didn't know, Markis Kido strained his thigh muscle a little bit during the QF match on Friday and needed some treatment after the match :cool: So, can they use this as an excuse if they lost yesterday?

We were there watching the matches live. Cai Yun looked pale because he never expected Kido/Hendra to play that way against him and Fu. As a result, Fu Haifeng was affected and made too many errors yesterday. Period.

It would be nonsense to say that they lacked fighting spirit when they played against the INA pair or to mention that they were not interested in winning the match :cool: They were simply not themselves because the INA pair MADE THEM SO. That was the key to beating them!

So why you use it for this loss....CY/FHF was winner of French Open did not show any heart problem or injury....

Huang, it's not to say Kido/Setiawan not good, ok? They are current World Champs, I respect them for that. And I was rooting for Kido/Setiawan to win too, since Msia MD crashed out already.

Just stating the facts, which already stated by GD Sports commentator and ye333 confirmed.

And I accept ye333's observation on Kido/Setiawan being better at flat drives, just frustrated Msia 3rd MD pair, Zakry/Fairuz,with their experience, couldnt excute it to win in Hong Kong. Already have formula, cannot carry out to the end.

Guys,
It's weekend and you are still talking about something in the past that won't change no matter how hard you hit your keyboard. It is better to start imaginary play for today's final if you have nothing else to do.

The only heart problem for CY and also FHF is that their hearts ache when they lost. LYB can confirm that.
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Check out this (http://www.badzine.info/content/view/12/3/); it details about his heart problems

LOL...the above-mentioned heart problem appeared before the Feng-Yun partnership was formed in late 2002. It was never even mentioned as problems by both pairs as reasons for their losses last year or this year. Fatigue could be one reason but hey, almost every pair suffered from fatigue in one aspect or another :cool:

The only heart problem for CY and also FHF is that their hearts ache when they lost. LYB can confirm that.


Haha...a good one....yes....that's a heart problem :D

Hey, I didn't say they lost cause of that; I'm only posting a link to the source :D

Check out this (http://www.badzine.info/content/view/12/3/); it details about his heart problems

Dude, he operated his heart redi right? Does that still considered as an excuse? When he is wins, he is good; when he lose, he got heart problem. How come he got such privilege? :rolleyes:

Hey, I didn't say they lost cause of that; I'm only posting a link to the source :D
:D:D we know you well......( just kidding):D

Just stating the facts, which already stated by GD Sports commentator and ye333 confirmed. And I observed off and on it's true, recently Cai sometimes ok, sometimes not ok.


Cai Yun does have a nigling knee injury which has yet to heal 100%, but, it's definitely not his heart :D However, Kido also had a little problem with his thigh as I mentioned just now.

I can tell you that I know the situation...yes...knowsome chinese team members well....I talked to BCL after the match and he flew to Beijing in that afternoon....Yes..I know BCL ...do you?

So are you also in chn team doc or coach that you know CJ is really injured?????:D

I am not the person who said CJ is injured, I have no idea about his situation,
and u R the person who claimed that CJ was fine and cheating,
since you made a strong statement, I think it is your responsibility to prove it, am I right?
Ah, BTW, did u claim that CN players manipulate the shuttle to cheat? Did BCL or other CN team member told u that? Do they know that u are pretending friendly to them and badmouth them behind?:D

LOL...the above-mentioned heart problem appeared before the Feng-Yun partnership was formed in late 2002. It was never even mentioned as problems by both pairs as reasons for their losses last year or this year. Fatigue could be one reason but hey, almost every pair suffered from fatigue in one aspect or another :cool:

Ya kah? You are much better informed than me.

For Fu/Cai recent losses(to CTF/LWW,Lars/P,who else?) GD Sports said they asked some mgr or coach about it.

The answer was Fu/Cai top MD pair, no other China MD near their standard, so no quality sparring. Other countries, Indonesia, Malaysia, Denmark have 3 to 4 good pairs. So China need to put in extra effort to beef up MD, they didnt say though what the "efforts" are.

And yes, they see Indonesia & Malaysia as formidable opponents. When Denmark beat them, added Denmark to the list.

Do they know that u are pretending friendly to them and badmouth them behind?:D

I don't think Hau-Ge is badmouthing the Chinese players :cool: We were there and watched the matches (and saw those players "live"). Did u? He just plainly stating the facts.

I can tell you that I saw Guo Zhendong practising with Zheng Bo in the court downstairs, when he was supposedly "injured" which caused his W/O to Fu/Cai on Thursday :cool: Oh...do you believe that Xie Zhongbo was "injured" too yesterday? Even the Chinese fans in chinabadminton.com were disgusted with LYB's tactics.

Chen Jin was fine and he just demolished Sony Dwi Kuncoro on Friday. Almost everybody can tell what was going on yesterday :cool: The crowds were disgusted that Lu Lan lost so easily to Xie Xingfang and did not even make any attempts to run for the ball :eek:

actually the one who is suffering a 'heart problem' is LYB

Ya kah? You are much better informed than me.

For Fu/Cai recent losses(to CTF/LWW,Lars/P,who else?) GD Sports said they asked some mgr or coach about it.

The answer was Fu/Cai top MD pair, no other China MD near their standard, so no quality sparring. Other countries, Indonesia, Malaysia, Denmark have 3 to 4 good pairs. So China need to put in extra effort to beef up MD, they didnt say though what the "efforts" are.

And yes, they see Indonesia & Malaysia as formidable opponents. When Denmark beat them, added Denmark to the list.

I never claimed that I am better informed than u :cool: Just read the Chinese forums :cool: Heart problem WAS NEVER EVEN MENTIONED :eek: But fatigue and pressure of winning could be valid reasons.

Err.....Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo have risen to the top 8 if you want to know....and they are even better ranked than AG/Joko and Luluk/Hendra now. I even rate them as above AG/Joko by looking at the INA pair's three losses to Guo/Xie :cool: Add Shen Ye/He Hanbin to the list, who is an upcoming pair.

Reason for their loss is simple: Rexy and the INA coaches know HOW TO BEAT THEM. That was why Fu/Cai lost 8 out of 10 times to INA and MAS pairs. The other two losses were to Eriksen/Hansen (Denmark Open) and Paaske/Rasmussen (Japan Open). It's also the same reason why Kido/Hendra ALWAYS LOSE to Koo/Tan :mad: The better pair simply outplayed the pair who lost from the very start.

I don't think Hau-Ge is badmouthing the Chinese players :cool: We were there and watched the matches (and saw those players "live"). Did u? He just plainly stating the facts.

I can tell you that I saw Guo Zhendong practising with Zheng Bo in the court downstairs, when he was supposedly "injured" which caused his W/O to Fu/Cai on Thursday :cool: Oh...do you believe that Xie Zhongbo was "injured" too yesterday? Even the Chinese fans in chinabadminton.com were disgusted with LYB's tactics.

Chen Jin was fine and he just demolished Sony Dwi Kuncoro on Friday. Almost everybody can tell what was going on yesterday :cool: The crowds were disgusted that Lu Lan lost so easily to Xie Xingfang and did not even make any attempts to run for the ball :eek:

yes, that's my point, if they really want to fix a game, in stead of making a noise like WO, they can easily do a three "friendly warnup game" as 21/19, 19/21 and 21/19 without losing any energy. Maybe they don;t care at all, or just quit because of tiny uncomfortable.
And I don't think "Claiming players manipulate shuttle to cheat" is a plain fact, do u?

yes, that's my point, if they really want to fix a game, in stead of making a noise like WO, they can easily do a three "friendly warnup game" as 21/19, 19/21 and 21/19 without losing any energy. Maybe they don;t care at all, or just quit because of tiny uncomfortable.

But THEY DID W/O and the Chinese fans were disgusted that LYB did this so bravely. The crowds simply booed when it was annonced that Xie Zhongbo "was injured" :cool:

This WO problem will always be there as long as BWF have no balls to deal with China. And it is a disservice to real badminton fans in the world if it does not stop.

I remember BWF vision of being the most popular racket sport by 2010 ? 2020 ? 2200 ?

It is time to introduce negative points and fine for every deliberate WO.

As baddy fans, especially the fans who pay to watch the game, they deserve to see a 'real' badminton game being played, not fixed outcome and not w/o if unwarranted.
For fans who never fly to see a live game and hiding behind the security of the computer screen and diehard fans of certain countries or players, then game fixing is fine with them as long as their idols win.

So you are frustrated when Mas 3rd MD pair lost in 3 tight games to the Chn 1st MD pair? Gosh that's high standard! :D

Huang, it's not to say Kido/Setiawan not good, ok? They are current World Champs, I respect them for that. And I was rooting for Kido/Setiawan to win too, since Msia MD crashed out already.

Just stating the facts, which already stated by GD Sports commentator and ye333 confirmed.

And I accept ye333's observation on Kido/Setiawan being better at flat drives, just frustrated Msia 3rd MD pair, Zakry/Fairuz,with their experience, couldnt excute it to win in Hong Kong. Already have formula, cannot carry out to the end.

This WO problem will always be there as long as BWF have no balls to deal with China. And it is a disservice to real badminton fans in the world if it does not stop.

I remember BWF vision of being the most popular racket sport by 2010 ? 2020 ? 2200 ?

It is time to introduce negative points and fine for every deliberate WO.

The positive point is that the finals look pretty good today.

The negative point is the semifinals were.......:(:mad:

valid frustration points. Too bad. It seems the game now is being dominated by 'god fathers'. So, my guess is that there is a long way to go to reach a full professional game where each individual gets their own merit and incentive. So far, the 'god father' says it all who gets what and when. It is easy for him to manage, but certainly difficult for the fans to accept (boring game). So any petition or idea to make it more entertaining or professional?

i m speechless...so sad for those 'puppet' players...

So you are frustrated when Mas 3rd MD pair lost in 3 tight games to the Chn 1st MD pair? Gosh that's high standard! :D

1) Because the Mas 3rd pair, Zakry/Fairuz beat Fu/Cai just the week before in China Open in 3 tight games.
Just so happen the draw made them meet again in Hong Kong. Here, from scoreline, this time Zakry/Fairuz lost in 3 games. From Rexy's tone during post-match interview, can see Rexy's dissappointed.
Since HK Open have no live for 1st round, I dont know how both pairs played.

2) And because when CTF/LWW retires, they will be 2nd pair, still havent won any tournament yet. They have the skills to challenge top pairs, have beaten Tony/Chandra before(Indonesia Open 07), just not the grittiness to finish off.

I never claimed that I am better informed than u :cool: Just read the Chinese forums :cool: Heart problem WAS NEVER EVEN MENTIONED :eek: But fatigue and pressure of winning could be valid reasons.

Err.....Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo have risen to the top 8 if you want to know....and they are even better ranked than AG/Joko and Luluk/Hendra now. I even rate them as above AG/Joko by looking at the INA pair's three losses to Guo/Xie :cool: Add Shen Ye/He Hanbin to the list, who is an upcoming pair.

Reason for their loss is simple: Rexy and the INA coaches know HOW TO BEAT THEM. That was why Fu/Cai lost 8 out of 10 times to INA and MAS pairs. The other two losses were to Eriksen/Hansen (Denmark Open) and Paaske/Rasmussen (Japan Open). It's also the same reason why Kido/Hendra ALWAYS LOSE to Koo/Tan :mad: The better pair simply outplayed the pair who lost from the very start.

1) Badmania, why you angry today??:D I meant that as a compliment, you ARE better informed than me. I also wanted Kido/Setiawan to win, break great wall.

2) I cant read Chinese lah, is banana person, can speak, cant read. Computerised translation is very very weird, make me more confused. So I wont know what China fans think unless it's in audio.

3) And yes, I also wonder why your heros like lose confidence when they see KKK/TBH's face, so to speak. Against uncles CTF/LWW they not scared, against our other pairs they also not scared.

Anyway,I was stating what the media (GD Sports) derived from intv with China MD manager/coach.

Special Facilities For Team China

By Diz-Gusted Phan
PA Staff Reporter
Sunday, 2 Dec 2007

Hong Kong: China's premier badminton body, the China Badminton Association, said today that Team China would now have its own travelling hospital.

"Our players are being hit by injuries," said Top Honcho, the head of the association. "Some of the injuries are so bad that our players are forced to rest for up to two hours."

Recent tournaments have seen a string of injuries, many of them sudden and serious. Officials and fans alike have been baffled by the developments. A senior orthopaedic surgeon said he was impressed by China's ability to spot injuries that remained invisible to even sophisticated medical equipment.

"I believe Team China has someone with either ESP or clairvoyance," he told PA on the sidleines of the Hong Kong Open 2007. "It's very good for them to have someone with a gift like that."

The CBA said its magic man was coach Li Yongbo. Apparently, Yongbo was blessed with not just ESP and clairvoyance but also X-ray vision.

"We are incredibly fortunate to have Li Yongbo with us," said Top Honcho. "Very often, our players don't even know that they are injured. But Yongbo can see it. His actions have saved not just the health of many of our top players but also, more importantly, their badminton careers."

Team China will now have a touring medical unit to aid in the recovery of players each time the coach spots a career-threatening injury. With the Beijing Olympics less than ten months away, the hunt is now on for sports doctors who can aid this magical process of diagnosis, treatment and recovery within hours.

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2007-2008 Copywrong - Oldhand

Come on, how long did it take for you come out with that, Oldh-... I mean Diz-G? ;)

Special Facilities For Team China

By Diz-Gusted Phan
PA Staff Reporter
Sunday, 2 Dec 2007

Hong Kong: China's premier badminton body, the China Badminton Association, said today that Team China would now have its own travelling hospital.

"Our players are being hit by injuries," said Top Honcho, the head of the association. "Some of the injuries are so bad that our players are forced to rest for up to two hours."

Recent tournaments have seen a string of injuries, many of them sudden and serious. Officials and fans alike have been baffled by the developments. A senior orthopaedic surgeon said he was impressed by China's ability to spot injuries that remained invisible to even sophisticated medical equipment.

"I believe Team China has someone with either ESP or clairvoyance," he told PA on the sidleines of the Hong Kong Open 2007. "It's very good for them to have someone with a gift like that."

The CBA said its magic man was coach Li Yongbo. Apparently, Yongbo was blessed with not just ESP and clairvoyance but also X-ray vision.

"We are incredibly fortunate to have Li Yongbo with us," said Top Honcho. "Very often, our players don't even know that they are injured. But Yongbo can see it. His actions have saved not just the health of many of our top players but also, more importantly, their badminton careers."

Team China will now have a touring medical unit to aid in the recovery of players each time the coach spots a career-threatening injury. With the Beijing Olympics less than ten months away, the hunt is now on for sports doctors who can aid this magical process of diagnosis, treatment and recovery within hours.

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2007-2008 Copywrong - Oldhand

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Good stuff

Come on, how long did it take for you come out with that, Oldh-... I mean Diz-G? ;)
About 10 minutes...
I used to be a newsman :p

You see, disgust generates great speed :D

I am not the person who said CJ is injured, I have no idea about his situation,
and u R the person who claimed that CJ was fine and cheating,
since you made a strong statement, I think it is your responsibility to prove it, am I right?
Ah, BTW, did u claim that CN players manipulate the shuttle to cheat? Did BCL or other CN team member told u that? Do they know that u are pretending friendly to them and badmouth them behind?:D

no need to prove......this is china team....you can see Ina semi MD, play so well.....but when China vs China, if not easy competition, is WO or cheating and said injured....this is china....no one good man......

I am not the person who said CJ is injured, I have no idea about his situation,
and u R the person who claimed that CJ was fine and cheating,
since you made a strong statement, I think it is your responsibility to prove it, am I right?
Ah, BTW, did u claim that CN players manipulate the shuttle to cheat? Did BCL or other CN team member told u that? Do they know that u are pretending friendly to them and badmouth them behind?:D

kokotea... ...

hauge is not that kind of person.. who will talk about "players that he knows"'s bad thing (badmouth)... he never does that

i have met him in person.. he's very kind,nice and helpful person..
becareful with your statement... ;) OK

I am not the person who said CJ is injured, I have no idea about his situation, and u R the person who claimed that CJ was fine and cheating, since you made a strong statement, I think it is your responsibility to prove it, am I right?
Not all strong statements need to be proven.
Many are true just by themselves. :)

Sample these:
1. The sun gives us light
2. Oldhand is a nice guy
3. Hydrocyanic acid is lethal
4. Team China fakes injuries
5. Lin Dan can beat Lee Chong Wei
6. The earth spins from west to east
7. Line-judges can be brazen people
8. Chen Jin was as injured as Lin Dan

See? :cool:

Not all strong statements need to be proven.
Many are true just by themselves. :)

Sample these:
1. The sun gives us light
2. Oldhand is a nice guy
3. Hydrocyanic acid is lethal
4. Team China fakes injuries
5. Lin Dan can beat Lee Chong Wei
6. The earth spins from west to east
7. Line-judges can be brazen people
8. Chen Jin was as injured as Lin Dan

See? :cool:

i agree with you.. except #2 we need some proofs :D :D :p

i agree with you.. except #2 we need some proofs :D :D :p

What's there to prove? :eek:
Did I say that cooler is a nice guy? :p

What's there to prove? :eek:
Did I say that cooler is a nice guy? :p

ha..ha... that's an enough proof that your are a nice guy :D :D

About 10 minutes...
I used to be a newsman :p

You see, disgust generates great speed :D

You're beter than me. I'm rusty now. Still can write features if my brain not too lazy