The Star Sports

Monday December 10, 2007

Shameful defeats for our shuttlers

THE Malaysian men's and women's badminton teams suffered humiliating defeats by Singapore in the semi-finals at the Vongchavalitkul University gymnasium in Korat yesterday.

The men's singles players Yeoh Kay Bin and Chan Kwong Beng were a letdown in their team's 1-3 defeat yesterday.

Kay Bin, who is ranked 21st in the world, failed to come good in his first major Games and was beaten 10-21, 13-21 by Kendrick Lee.

And to make it a miserable night for the team, one of the country's top doubles pair Gan Teik Chai-Lin Woon Fui hardly gave any fight in their 14-21, 13-21 defeat by Hendra Wijaya-Hendri Kurniawan Saputra.

Kuan Beng Hong pulled a point back when he blew away Ashton Chen 21-10, 21-5.

But national back-up player Kwong Beng, who had held a 19-17 lead in the first game, failed to save the tie for Malaysia when he crumbled under pressure losing 20-22, 12-21 to Derek Wong.

In the women's competition, Malaysia were banking on lanky Lydia Cheah to save the day after the Malaysians were tied at 2-2 with Singapore.

But the youngster, making her debut in the Games, went down 13-21, 21-18, 17-21 to China-born Gu Juan.

The first point yesterday came from Julia Wong, who got Malaysia off to a rousing start in the first singles with a hard-fought 21-15, 19-21, 21-16 over Xing Aiying.

After the failures by Anita Raj Kaur and Wong Pei Tty-Ng Hui Lin, the scratch combination of Goh Liu Ying-Woon Khe Wei levelled the tie with a 21-17, 21-19 win over Sari Shinta Mulia-Vanessa Neo Yu Yan.

Singapore will play against Indonesia in both the men's and women's team final today.

(For the record, Fu Mingtian bt Anita Raj Kaur 21-18, 21-16; Li Yujia/Jiang Yanmei bt Wong Pei Tty/Ng Hui Lin 21-14, 21.14)

Congrats to Singapore team on the excelent display! :)

The Straits Times
December 10, 2007

By Leonard Lim
in Korat


It was a familiar situation Kendrick Lee found himself in yesterday.

The Singaporean was up against a higher-ranked player.

But the world No 24 overcame the odds to beat Malaysian Yeoh Kay Bin in the opening match of the South-east Asia Games men's team semi-finals.

Yeoh, ranked three places higher, lost 10-21, 13-21.

That point set Singapore on the way to a 3-1 victory over Malaysia, who were missing world No 2 Lee Chong Wei and All-England doubles champions Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong.

Singapore were without thier No 1 Ronald Susilo, who was rested after straining an arm muscle in Saturday's quarter-final win over Vietnam.

Malaysia's solitary point came from Kuan Beng Hong, who beat Ashton Chen 21-10, 21-5.

The Republic's Derek Wong beat Chan Kwong Beng 22-20, 21-12, while Hendri Saputra and Hendra Wijaya t3amed up to beat James Gan and Lin woon Fui 21-13, 21-13.

Said Lee: "It feels great, overcoming all these top players. But the spirit in this team is great, and we all wanted to do it for each other."

The day was made even sweeter when the women's team overcame Malaysia 3-2 to move into today's final.

Both men and women are up against Indonesia.

Fu Mingtian, Gu Juan and the doubles pairing of Jiang Yanmei and Li Yujia secured the win.

The shuttlers could now deliver two golds, after a long SEA Games drought.

A gold has eluded the men since Wong Shoon Keat's (Derek's father) triumph in the men's singles in 1983.

In the last decade, the women have delivered only one gold - the team title in Vietnam in 2003.

(By the way, Kendrick Lee was Singapore's flag bearer during the opening ceremony. An honour indeed for Singapore Badminton!)

How many of them were born and bred in Singapore? ;)

How many of them were born and bred in Singapore? ;)

Don't thing is relevant. If Malaysia was against Thailand or Indonesia, do you thing will be different outcome ?. Looking for excuses is not healthy.

The Star Sports

Monday December 10, 2007

Shameful defeats for our shuttlers

THE Malaysian men's and women's badminton teams suffered humiliating defeats by Singapore in the semi-finals at the Vongchavalitkul University gymnasium in Korat yesterday.

The men's singles players Yeoh Kay Bin and Chan Kwong Beng were a letdown in their team's 1-3 defeat yesterday.

Kay Bin, who is ranked 21st in the world, failed to come good in his first major Games and was beaten 10-21, 13-21 by Kendrick Lee.

And to make it a miserable night for the team, one of the country's top doubles pair Gan Teik Chai-Lin Woon Fui hardly gave any fight in their 14-21, 13-21 defeat by Hendra Wijaya-Hendri Kurniawan Saputra.

Kuan Beng Hong pulled a point back when he blew away Ashton Chen 21-10, 21-5.

But national back-up player Kwong Beng, who had held a 19-17 lead in the first game, failed to save the tie for Malaysia when he crumbled under pressure losing 20-22, 12-21 to Derek Wong.

In the women's competition, Malaysia were banking on lanky Lydia Cheah to save the day after the Malaysians were tied at 2-2 with Singapore.

But the youngster, making her debut in the Games, went down 13-21, 21-18, 17-21 to China-born Gu Juan.

The first point yesterday came from Julia Wong, who got Malaysia off to a rousing start in the first singles with a hard-fought 21-15, 19-21, 21-16 over Xing Aiying.

After the failures by Anita Raj Kaur and Wong Pei Tty-Ng Hui Lin, the scratch combination of Goh Liu Ying-Woon Khe Wei levelled the tie with a 21-17, 21-19 win over Sari Shinta Mulia-Vanessa Neo Yu Yan.

Singapore will play against Indonesia in both the men's and women's team final today.

(For the record, Fu Mingtian bt Anita Raj Kaur 21-18, 21-16; Li Yujia/Jiang Yanmei bt Wong Pei Tty/Ng Hui Lin 21-14, 21.14)

congratz to singapore teams... :D :D hmmmm they will meet ina teams... too bad.. i hope they can give ina teams good fights :D :D :cool:

How many of them were born and bred in Singapore? ;)

Does it really matter? What matters is they ARE TRAINED and GROW UP in Singapore. Oh...in fact the bulk of the men's team such as Kendrick Lee Yen Hui, Khoo Kian Teck, Ashton Chen Yong Zhao, Derek Wong Zi Liang are born in Singapore. Ronald has been in Singapore since his youth.

Give them credits for that :cool:

Does it really matter? What matters is they ARE TRAINED and GROW UP in Singapore. Oh...in fact the bulk of the men's team such as Kendrick Lee Yen Hui, Khoo Kian Teck, Ashton Chen Yong Zhao, Derek Wong Zi Liang are born in Singapore. Ronald has been in Singapore since his youth.

Give them credits for that :cool:

Agree with Badmania. They are considered product of Singapore badminton.

Yup that true wow congrat team singapore:) u've done us proud keep it up with the good work:)

How many of them were born and bred in Singapore? ;)

Really doesn't matter to us anymore. Young talented athletes are welcome to join us to raise the standards and hopefully we can contribute to regional and international sports in the process.

Singapore knows its limitations but through the foreign talent programe, I think we have gained more than we lost. Of course, we gained much more in business (the economy) than in sports for the present.

Our local standards have certainly improved. Both Kendrick Lee and Derek Wong, who contributed two points are Singapore-born. Ashton Chen who lost meekly to Kuan Beng Hong, is also local-born.

By exposing themselves to talented foreign players, our locals are beginning to approach their level and it may come a time when we will have a full team of local players. Some sports have already achieved this like sailing and swimming, although the latter has yet to achieve higher than regional standards. Our relatively infant Sports School will help to deliver the goods.

Through the employment of experienced foreign coaches, Singapore hopes to catch up not only regionally but internationally as well. May I add that Eng Hian (Indonesian coach) must have coached the Saputra borthers well to beat James Gan and Lin Woon Fui quite convincingly.

I attended two days of the just-concluded Cheers Age Group Doubles Tournament (5 categories for male and female) and was delighted to see that the interest in badminton continues to rise. This in part is due to the success that Singapore badminton has managed to excite the school children with their wins in overseas tournaments like this SEA Games success, which we are assured of a silver in both events.

Of course our government is playing an important part too by promoting sports and building beautiful sports arenas and facilities to complement existing ones. The latest bid to go for the inaugural Youth Olympics really lifted the imagination of many, both young and old. :)

Nobody noticed the smiley?

Jumpy crowd, you lot. ;)

James Gan....hahaha...quite a nice name :D

Nobody noticed the smiley?

Jumpy crowd, you lot. ;)

The smiley is sacarstic to the statement which preceded. :rolleyes:

The smiley is sacarstic to the statement which preceded. :rolleyes:I'm a Malaysian so I'm pretty sure you're used to digs coming from across the Causeway. I was surprised you took it seriously.

congratz to singapore teams... :D :D hmmmm they will meet ina teams... too bad.. i hope they can give ina teams good fights :D :D :cool:

Well for the men's team it will be 30/70.

But for the women's team it will be 50/50.

IMHO :):):)

But I'm hoping our boys can give me a pleasant surprise!

Congrats to Uncle Loh and the SG badminton squad and supporters for making the final.

In the women's team event, MAS indeed missed our local heroine WMC and CEH. With at least one of them around, we could probably have turned the tables. Yet it was a very brave battle from the "mostly" young squad, 2-3 scoreline is not bad at all, and Lydia Cheah did try her best to save the game, but Gu Juan was just too good. Great spirit against superior opponents.

Not so the men's team, really even if they were 3rd stringer MAS squad (and they are not), the performance was pathetic. If Ronald were playing, maybe we would have been blanked 3-0. YKB performed badly and Gan/Lin are not up to the challenge of leading the team and rallying the players after we lost the 1st match. KLRC players would have done better ......

Congrats to Team Singapore. I hope they can do the unthinkable against team Indonesia.

I'm a Malaysian so I'm pretty sure you're used to digs coming from across the Causeway. I was surprised you took it seriously.

Non-Malaysians, apart from Singaporeans, may not be familiar with such digs. ;)

Congrats to Team Singapore. I hope they can do the unthinkable against team Indonesia.

"Unthinkable" ???

When WMC can beat the world No.1 - unthinkable?
I think you must now change a little bit of your thinking! :D:D:D

wilfredlgf,u shouldnt ask that question.all of us know.u'll just provoke the singaporeans.they have won.thats the result.

and the lost? we deserve it.second team ha?thats what we got.we are aiming for the olympic too much n ignore Sea games.we want it.and we got it
malay old saying-yang dikejar tak dapat,yang dikendong berciciran.
hope we wont face the same thing.this sacrifice will be repayed next year.(i hope).
sacrifece a gold medal?wow.zolkeples embong must know what he has been doing.really.

"Unthinkable" ???

When WMC can beat the world No.1 - unthinkable?
I think you must now change a little bit of your thinking! :D:D:D

Hahah. Well i didnt expect WMC to win... i have to confess that. But i never thought its impossible for her to win. Same goes to Singapore. Everything is Possible. Nothing in Impossible.

and for singapore vs indonesia.i cant decide .

singapore-do ur best.singapore is unique,rite?prove it.

indonesia-lakukan yang terbaik ya.dedicated the victory to ur president. susilo bambang need some motivation from his supporters.

and for singapore vs indonesia.i cant decide .

singapore-do ur best.singapore is unique,rite?prove it.

indonesia-lakukan yang terbaik ya.dedicated the victory to ur president. susilo bambang need some motivation from his supporters.

To be honest, Indonesia has such a well-balanced men's team which is peaking at about the right time, only perhaps China can beat them now.

So Singapore will be happy even to get one point. ;)

To be honest, Indonesia has such a well-balanced men's team which is peaking at about the right time, only perhaps China can beat them now.

So Singapore will be happy even to get one point. ;)
hey,,i thought a singaporean is a survivor?want me to change my mind?

wilfredlgf,u shouldnt ask that question.all of us know.u'll just provoke the singaporeans.they have won.thats the result.
koo_fan, this is what you call banter (http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Abanter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a). My little dig had no malice in it, rather a taunt made in humour akin to that we make with our friends. To over-react is to not know the history and close ties of our two neighbours.

Since I had to explain it to such lengths, I suppose the humour is lost. :(

koo_fan, this is what you call banter (http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Abanter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a). My little dig had no malice in it, rather a taunt made in humour akin to that we make with our friends. To over-react is to not know the history and close ties of our two neighbours.

Since I had to explain it to such lengths, I suppose the humour is lost. :(
its sensitive for certain persons.
im ok with that question.i wont describe it as 'lost' .
but just a precaution.we may hurt someone.

a lesson for me -i've made a joke with a singaporean friend that they can win nothing without the foreigners and u know what happen ?i have to coax n pujuk him nicely.then we are friends again.i've learned.

hey,,i thought a singaporean is a survivor?want me to change my mind?

We have to face reality to be practical.

Survivor doesn't equate to conquerer. It takes time, effort and commitment to be better than a survivor.

Especially in badminton. You know it takes many years of training and sacrifice to become a world class professional. And even those who are talented and are selected for further training, if they are not committed enough and are weak mentally, they will not make it and will drop by the wayside, unfortunately.

I think in Singapore, the government has to be practical. Sure we have goals but those goals must be realistic and achievable. So we can't simply try to achieve something more difficult before we attain simpler goals.

For the men and women's team to be able to enter the finals, I think we have achieved our goals. It will be a bonus if we can get one gold from badminton in the presence of world badminton power houses like Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand.

Even a full-strength Malaysian men's team cannot be assured of a win against mighty Indonesia, do you agree?

'Shameful defeats for our shuttlers'

It is sad that the author decided to use this title for his article.
What do he expect when the MAS decided to sent their back-up against the top teams......maybe many years ago the MAS second stringers can still beat other team except INA.....

We have to face reality to be practical.

Survivor doesn't equate to conquerer. It takes time, effort and commitment to be better than a survivor.

Especially in badminton. You know it takes many years of training and sacrifice to become a world class professional. And even those who are talented and are selected for further training, if they are not committed enough and are weak mentally, they will not make it and will drop by the wayside, unfortunately.

I think in Singapore, the government has to be practical. Sure we have goals but those goals must be realistic and achievable. So we can't simply try to achieve something more difficult before we attain simpler goals.

For the men and women's team to be able to enter the finals, I think we have achieved our goals. It will be a bonus if we can get one gold from badminton in the presence of world badminton power houses like Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand.

Even a full-strength Malaysian men's team cannot be assured of a win against mighty Indonesia, do you agree?

We're not that mighty..INA teams do have good chance to win golds..nevertheless, we must still keep on focus and it's extremely important to keep heads down before the golds are in our hands..Singaporean teams have shown impressive performance so far :)..so INA must be aware and not to underestimate them..may the best teams win..I expect that'll be INA teams, both men and women :cool::D..INDONESIA BISA, JAYA!!

Don't thing is relevant. If Malaysia was against Thailand or Indonesia, do you thing will be different outcome ?. Looking for excuses is not healthy.

Agree!!

This is typical ala Malaysia Boleh excuses. We always look for excuses i.e officials not fair, weather not right, injuries, etc etc. To say Singapore shuttlers are not born in Singapore is just plain being bitter.

'Shameful defeats for our shuttlers'

It is sad that the author decided to use this title for his article.
What do he expect when the MAS decided to sent their back-up against the top teams......maybe many years ago the MAS second stringers can still beat other team except INA.....

A decent showing. To go down fighting. :rolleyes:

Perhaps MAS shouldn't send their team at the first place :confused:
Or will it be better just send the World Juniors Championship bound players to KORAT. :rolleyes:

Perhaps MAS shouldn't send their team at the first place :confused:
Or will it be better just send the World Juniors Championship bound players to KORAT. :rolleyes:

You can send the World Juniors players to Korat, but if they are not good enough they will still not bring that gold back.

We gotta admit it that the lesser badminton nations like Singapore are slowly making progress.

we are just aiming to commit suicide when i see
the list of players we sent...
our local "heroes" like YKB, KBH, GTC/LWF......

You can send the World Juniors players to Korat, but if they are not good enough they will still not bring that gold back.

We gotta admit it that the lesser badminton nations like Singapore are slowly making progress.

but we still gotta admit that they used a lot of foreign help
of course i am not downgrading singaporean
but if they have more local talents like kendrick lee
will be better...

but we still gotta admit that they used a lot of foreign help
of course i am not downgrading singaporean
but if they have more local talents like kendrick lee
will be better...

Dont we get 'foreign help' too i.e. Rexy?? Morten Frost, Han Jian, Yang Yang in the past??

How many of them were born and bred in Singapore? ;)

I think you should give them credit instead of a statement like dat. :confused:

Dont we get 'foreign help' too i.e. Rexy?? Morten Frost, Han Jian, Yang Yang in the past??

hahaha :D:D
watever u like......

I think you should give them credit instead of a statement like dat. :confused:


his statement is not proper but remained a fact....

his statement is not proper but remained a fact....

you are also another one that is bitter and sore....

Closing your eyes doesn't make the world dark :cool:

you are also another one that is bitter and sore....

i am fine....i am glad singapore win
but when fact is fact...i just acknowledge it...
cheer up......:D:D:D

but we still gotta admit that they used a lot of foreign help
of course i am not downgrading singaporean
but if they have more local talents like kendrick lee
will be better...

U will be surprised that 19 out of 30 Gold Medals that Singapore won are from their local born talents :rolleyes:

i am a malaysian and i was sad that malaysia lost. I would like to said that Singapore has done well and we should congratulate the winner. it does not matter where the player come from or where they are bred.

Malaysian Team especially the women team which consists of mostly young player have tried their best without WMC and Chin Er Hui. To come so close and lost must be a heartache to most of them especially Lydia Cheah who is making her 1st debut in this game.

As for the Malaysian Men Team... what can i say exxcept... what happened?

anyway Singapore ... congratulation for yr fine performance

I think you should give them credit instead of a statement like dat. :confused:

his statement is not proper but remained a fact....

you are also another one that is bitter and sore....

For crying out loud, is this 'leave your sense of humour at home' day or something?

We have to face reality to be practical.

Survivor doesn't equate to conquerer. It takes time, effort and commitment to be better than a survivor.

Especially in badminton. You know it takes many years of training and sacrifice to become a world class professional. And even those who are talented and are selected for further training, if they are not committed enough and are weak mentally, they will not make it and will drop by the wayside, unfortunately.

I think in Singapore, the government has to be practical. Sure we have goals but those goals must be realistic and achievable. So we can't simply try to achieve something more difficult before we attain simpler goals.

For the men and women's team to be able to enter the finals, I think we have achieved our goals. It will be a bonus if we can get one gold from badminton in the presence of world badminton power houses like Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand.

Even a full-strength Malaysian men's team cannot be assured of a win against mighty Indonesia, do you agree?
for the last question.i agreed.
n i do believe singapore can win.being realistic is cool.honourable i think to be down to earth.
hope to see the a good game from both team.

For crying out loud, is this 'leave your sense of humour at home' day or something?
thats what i mean,wilfred.some people cant accept the fact.

guys n gals,wilfred said the truth.most of singapore's athletes are foreigeners. agree?
and i didnt see any statement from him that shows that he downgrading the singapore team.

do i have to repeat his simple question in that post?
we use foreigeners too.rexy,yuan yu fang etc.
the difference is -some of our athletes are foreigners.
- most of their atletes are foreigners.agree?
so.when wilfred post an info that we have already know,why are u being too emotional?
singapore spoilt a good game againts malaysia.did wilfred doubt that?
no.hes just telling us that singapore use 'foreign help' in that game.so what is so wrong?
wonder why do we have to use 2 pages to discuss about this issue?

U will be surprised that 19 out of 30 Gold Medals that Singapore won are from their local born talents :rolleyes:
im not suprised .at all.they have a well-managed developement association.
why are u wondered?
they maybe used non-locals as their athletes.but they managed to build them on their own.
n their locals?i think they are on the right track now.looking forward to see more singaporeans locals athletes in world tournament.

thats what i mean,wilfred.some people cant accept the fact.

guys n gals,wilfred said the truth.most of singapore's athletes are foreigeners. agree?
and i didnt see any statement from him that shows that he downgrading the singapore team.

do i have to repeat his simple question in that post?
we use foreigeners too.rexy,yuan yu fang etc.
the difference is -some of our athletes are foreigners.
- most of their atletes are foreigners.agree?
so.when wilfred post an info that we have already know,why are u being too emotional?
singapore spoilt a good game againts malaysia.did wilfred doubt that?
no.hes just telling us that singapore use 'foreign help' in that game.so what is so wrong?
wonder why do we have to use 2 pages to discuss about this issue?

Is it so hard to accept the fact that Malaysia lost?? :rolleyes:

hahaha :D:D
watever u like......

You mentioned the 'foreign help' thingy. So, I just pointed you some facts. But fine by me, if you want to use another ruler to measure others. ;)

i am a malaysian and i was sad that malaysia lost. I would like to said that Singapore has done well and we should congratulate the winner. it does not matter where the player come from or where they are bred.

Malaysian Team especially the women team which consists of mostly young player have tried their best without WMC and Chin Er Hui. To come so close and lost must be a heartache to most of them especially Lydia Cheah who is making her 1st debut in this game.

As for the Malaysian Men Team... what can i say exxcept... what happened?

anyway Singapore ... congratulation for yr fine performance

Very well said.

Is it so hard to accept the fact that Malaysia lost?? :rolleyes:
really hard.
we lost due to our own ego.

really hard.
we lost due to our own ego.
Why is it hard...
Many excuses
1. We send the "second" or "third" tier team
2. Tan CS was injured
3. They were too "fresh" for a team events
4.
5.
6.............

really hard.
we lost due to our own ego.

Ok take two panadols, go and sleep early. You will wake up with a better ego tomorrow.

really hard.
we lost due to our own ego.
To you perhaps but I didn't expect much from this team anyway.

Why is it hard...
Many excuses
1. We send the "second" or "third" tier team
2. Tan CS was injured
3. They were too "fresh" for a team events
4.
5.
6.............

now.brother sam.u are turning to pemuda's attitude now.always twisted my words n put the dark side on me.
really hard to accept the lost.coz we know we might win if we send the right team.but we choose to send the 2nd team n hoping the rivals to be weaker than us.isnt that ego's stuff?macam malaysia bagus sangat?

Ok take two panadols, go and sleep early. You will wake up with a better ego tomorrow.

again,typical advices.but dont u know,taking too much panadols can lead to suicide.n in my last note,i'll include ur name.u are the who suggested this.

other ppls,sorry.off topic.but i have to.

so. when wilfred post an info that we have already know, why are u being too emotional?
singapore spoilt a good game againts malaysia. did wilfred doubt that?

no. hes just telling us that singapore use 'foreign help' in that game. so what is so wrong?




Hey koo_fan,

Why are we being too emotional? ...... According to what was discussed... we should not use the phrase "foreign help" for the many players in Team Singapore.

What is wrong? ...... The players concerned have been residents in Singapore for such a long time now. If you ask them, they will tell you that they are now Singaporeans. How can you say to them, "No, you are only foreigners to Singapore" ? :confused::confused::confused:

Well, Loh and many others (including myself) have discussed this issue before.

It is good that those players and the Singapore Badminton Association have worked together to bring good results now. Others, who are not Singaporeans, should be happy to see such results for them too.

So... Well Done to Team Singapore !!! :):):)


Cheers... chris@ccc
:):):)

again,typical advices.but dont u know,taking too much panadols can lead to suicide.n in my last note,i'll include ur name.u are the who suggested this.

other ppls,sorry.off topic.but i have to.

You are moaning about your bruised ego and all. So, take 2 panadols (only 2 ... you know, as in 1,2 ) and go to sleep.

Hey koo_fan,

Why are we being too emotional? ...... According to what was discussed... we should not use the phrase "foreign help" for the many players in Team Singapore.

What is wrong? ...... The players concerned have been residents in Singapore for such a long time now. If you ask them, they will tell you that they are now Singaporeans. How can you say to them, "No, you are only foreigners to Singapore" ? :confused::confused::confused:

Well, Loh and many others (including myself) have discussed this issue before.

It is good that those players and the Singapore Badminton Association have worked together to bring good results now. Others, who are not Singaporeans, should be happy to see such results too.

So... Well Done to Team Singapore !!!


Cheers... chris@ccc
:):):)

Do pardon koo_fan as she is one disillusioned soul now, with a bruised ego to nurse as well.

really hard.
we lost due to our own ego.

koo_fan, in sports, sometimes u win and sometimes u lose. don't take it too "hard" as you put it.

i see that you are only 17, as you grow older, you will learn that in life, you can't win all the time......in school, uni or in business and family matters. cheers! :)

really hard.
we lost due to our own ego.

Ego?? what ego? more like nerves. YKB, Gan/Lin are 1st time to SEA Games though they're seniors. And they know very well there will be bashing, criticism from all quarters if they were to lose.

And as I've said in the other thread, they're sent cos they're supposedly the weakest in senior men's team. The better ones gear up for OG.

Cheer up, I'm happy Msia won gold in other events that we havent won for long time, like 4 X 400 men's relay.


To you perhaps but I didn't expect much from this team anyway.

Same here wilfred. They never won anything of significance (I didnt count Tan CS, he didnt play & still in back-up squad), so no expectations. No expectations, No disappointmens.

Hey koo_fan,

Why are we being too emotional? ...... According to what was discussed... we should not use the phrase "foreign help" for the many players in Team Singapore.

What is wrong? ...... The players concerned have been residents in Singapore for such a long time now. If you ask them, they will tell you that they are now Singaporeans. How can you say to them, "No, you are only foreigners to Singapore" ? :confused::confused::confused:

Well, Loh and many others (including myself) have discussed this issue before.

It is good that those players and the Singapore Badminton Association have worked together to bring good results now. Others, who are not Singaporeans, should be happy to see such results for them too.

So... Well Done to Team Singapore !!! :):):)


Cheers... chris@ccc
:):):)
it should be hello or hi rite?hey..too harsh honey.

i mean they are not born in singapore.so it should be considered as non-locals.but i do agree,singapore did a great job in building their athletes.locals n non-locals.no doubt.

yuan yu fang has been considered as malaysian.im proud of her.really proud.
but yet,we always said.the china-borned athlete....just to state the fact.shes from china.she was borned there.she is now malaysian but we have never forget that she is from china.

the issue is clear.they are non-locals.i have never said they are not singaporean.they are ur people.yu fang is my people.how should i doubt it?

n well done singapore.everything that u got now,u deserve them.top 3 in seagames n left malaysia behind(sad to say).good job.

n chris,sorry if im i've said something that look that i've downgrading singapore.it has never lingering in my mind n i've never intended to post such things here.

whatever lah pemuda.u wont hurt me anyway.say what u want to say.
im hearing.

hmm..looks like u guys having some misunderstanding here.
ego.i refer this word to malaysian contigent.we sent the second team.and hoping for the gold?
the players have done the best.i should never doubt them.

it should be hello or hi rite?hey..too harsh honey.

i mean they are not born in singapore.so it should be considered as non-locals.but i do agree,singapore did a great job in building their athletes.locals n non-locals.no doubt.

yuan yu fang has been considered as malaysian.im proud of her.really proud.
but yet,we always said.the china-borned athlete....just to state the fact.shes from china.she was borned there.she is now malaysian but we have never forget that she is from china.

the issue is clear.they are non-locals.i have never said they are not singaporean.they are ur people.yu fang is my people.how should i doubt it?

n well done singapore.everything that u got now,u deserve them.top 3 in seagames n left malaysia behind(sad to say).good job.

n chris,sorry if im i've said something that look that i've downgrading singapore.it has never lingering in my mind n i've never intended to post such things here.

... and your point is?? :o

it seems like you guys are going in circles and circles with this discussion. i am going to close this so everyone can calm down and recompose your thoughts.