Games-Fiery Taufik ordered off courts after outburst

[ixory]

Games-Fiery Taufik ordered off courts after outburst
Reuters via Yahoo!Malaysia News (http://http://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20071212/tap-games-asia-taufik-c3bb44c.html)

NAKHON RATCHASIMA, Thailand, Dec 12 - Olympic badminton champion Taufik Hidayat was ordered off the courts by security staff after a heated stand-off with match officials at the Southeast Asian Games on Wednesday.

After beating Malaysian Yeoh Kay Bin to scrape through to the semi-finals, the irate Indonesian gestured angrily at a line judge and waved his racket in the umpire's face before reluctantly shaking his hand and marching off the court.
Moments later, when he returned to the courts to calm down, a shirtless Taufik began remonstrating with worried-looking volunteers and officials before security guards surrounded him and told him to leave.
Taufik, 26, was unhappy with Thai officials' handling of his game, seeing a link with the title chances of fellow semi-finalist and home favourite Boonsak Ponsana.
"If the Thais want to win the gold medal so much, I'll just give it to them," a furious Taufik told Reuters after being sent to the stands.
"The judging was terrible, bad calls happened to me so many times. I told him never to do that to another player."
The former world champion added: "I don't know what happened there, I don't know why they had to call security.
"They said I wasn't allowed to sit in these seats because they're VIP seats, but all the Thai players have been sitting here for days."
Taufik is one of badminton's most colourful characters and is as famous for his speed and deadly backhand as he is his passion and fiery temperament.
Some 5,000 athletes from Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, East Timor, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Brunei, Myanmar and the Philippines, are contesting the SEA Games -- famed for fierce rivalry, accusations of bias and tit-for-tat squabbles -- with 475 gold medals up for grabs in 43 sports.
Hosts Thailand are runaway leaders in the medals standings with 116 golds, 59 more than second-placed Vietnam. The Games conclude on Saturday.

[cooler]

one thing for sure, TH has high entertainment value, just like TH fans over here as well:):D

Now TH understands what really bad officiating is like.

[ctjcad]

Games-Fiery Taufik ordered off courts after outburst
Reuters via Yahoo!Malaysia News (http://http://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20071212/tap-games-asia-taufik-c3bb44c.html)
"They said I wasn't allowed to sit in these seats because they're VIP seats, but all the Thai players have been sitting here for days."
..the funny thing i noticed was, if Taufik was offered to stay in a nicer hotel unlike his teammates, shouldn't he be offered to sit in those VIP seats??..:confused:..
Actually in the SEA Individual Event Semifinals thread, the article (not sure how accurate it is) posted by IieSumirat (post #19), mentioned that Taufik actually was escorted away when he sat in one of the line-judge's chair, whilst he was still furious and emotional over the dubious calls. He also complained why he couldn't sit in one of those chairs; rather was asked not to sit there, i guess, to cool off.:p

one thing for sure, TH has high entertaining value, just like TH fans over here as well:):D

Now TH understands what really bad officiating is like.
..yeah, but one thing though, usually it's Taufik who's doing the entertaining and complaining and finally getting booted off the court; not so much of his fans, esp. in BC..:p;)

[carolynwg]

again bad line calls?? I tot oni China? Now Thai oso 4lowing?
Poor Taufik.. Nvm la Taufik, as long as we know u r the best player...

[ye333]

Let's get a good laugh. :D

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2007-12-12/21153354279.shtml

[wilfredlgf]

Good tidings for our boys and girls in Alor Setar then? :)

[eaglehelang]

The same article appeared in The Star

[Linus]

It appears in today's Singapore's Straits Times too. And for a moment when I read the header this morning, I thought TH was disqualified (ordered off court!) by the match officials - I thought oh no this will create a big drama, but fortunately the incident happened after the match.

But you can imagine this sets a pretty tense prelude if TH and Boosak proceed further to the final.

[kwun]

did anyone watch the match? was the objections from Taufik justified?

[volcom]

I'm feeling sorry for Taufik, it is probably true and it would be hell frustrating for him.

[mAlAn]

No wonder yesterday match took a long time.

Hmmm,.,. kinda like this statement, "If the Thais want to win the gold medal so much, I'll just give it to them," a furious Taufik told Reuters after being sent to the stands.

:)

[abedeng]

It is not good to see the tournament in disrepute, for whatever reason. How are we going to enhance the popularity of the sport if badminton umpiring and judging become biased.

[huangkwokhau]

one thing for sure, TH has high entertainment value, just like TH fans over here as well:):D

Now TH understands what really bad officiating is like.
same thing for LD's fans and LCW's fans too.....;)

[Pemuda]

Its only SEA games, TH should just take it as a holiday.

Next year in Beijing is the big one. This Korat thingy is a mickey mouse trip.

[V3i HoN6]

Let's get a good laugh. :D

http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2007-12-12/21153354279.shtml
A joke indeed.
It is clearly a translation from the English version and it is terribly translated by this Mr(孟巍). I can translate it better myself.

[shanisen3200]

"If the Thais want to win the gold medal so much, I'll just give it to them," a furious Taufik told Reuters after being sent to the stands.

I think that should be umpire's mistakes, not for Thai players.

[azabaz_ipoh]

"If the Thais want to win the gold medal so much, I'll just give it to them," a furious Taufik told Reuters after being sent to the stands.

I think that should be umpire's mistakes, not for Thai players.

maybe the linesmen were thais. that's why taufik said that.

apart from that, i am interested to know what really happened that day. i wonder if anybody have a footage or something.

[drifit]

Taufik is one of badminton's most colourful characters and is as famous for his speed and deadly backhand as he is his passion and fiery temperament.

fast and furious...............:cool:

[CLELY]

TH also complained about unfair line judging in Busan Asian Games 2002 when INA met KOR in Men's Team Final and KOR won gold. Nakhon Ratchasima 2007, once again TH can't control his emotion properly, maybe he needs anger therapy to minimize his temperamental attitude particularly to face the most important event next year in Beijing.

[ants]

..the funny thing i noticed was, if Taufik was offered to stay in a nicer hotel unlike his teammates, shouldn't he be offered to sit in those VIP seats??..:confused:..
Actually in the SEA Individual Event Semifinals thread, the article (not sure how accurate it is) posted by IieSumirat (post #19), mentioned that Taufik actually was escorted away when he sat in one of the line-judge's chair, whilst he was still furious and emotional over the dubious calls. He also complained why he couldn't sit in one of those chairs; rather was asked not to sit there, i guess, to cool off.:p

..yeah, but one thing though, usually it's Taufik who's doing the entertaining and complaining and finally getting booted off the court; not so much of his fans, esp. in BC..:p;)

Hotel seats and court seats are 2 different matters. Heheh..

[abedeng]

maybe the linesmen were thais. that's why taufik said that.

apart from that, i am interested to know what really happened that day. i wonder if anybody have a footage or something.

From what I read, the line judges made correct calls, but overruled by the umpire.

[abedeng]

..... once again TH can't control his emotion properly, maybe he needs anger therapy to minimize his temperamental attitude particularly to face the most important event next year in Beijing.

I partially agree with you there, Taufik needs some control over his emotions. Then again, we all feel aggrieved if not treated fairly, even more so for players who represent their countries for glory.

So while Taufik's actions are not quite right, I must say that I feel for him and all players who undergo this "handicap".

[pjswift]

fast and furious...............:cool:
TH, fast and furious? For how long? 5 mins max? Don't think he has the stamina to last until SG gold.

[ye333]

TH is a smart guy. He will be calm when he judges winning to be more important than letting his temper go free. Furthermore he managed to win the match after all, so what's the big deal?

[indo_gal]

TH, fast and furious? For how long? 5 mins max? Don't think he has the stamina to last until SG gold.


let's c who will get the gold :)

[drifit]

TH, fast and furious? For how long? 5 mins max? Don't think he has the stamina to last until SG gold.


let's c who will get the gold :)

hopefully;
1. players are determine and play excellent
2. line judges are well-trained
3. umpires are fair and even
4. officials are smart
then, we have a great competitiveness in Olympic 2008 to watch.......:)

[pjswift]

From what I read, the line judges made correct calls, but overruled by the umpire.
And do we know the nationality of the umpire? G2 score is strange :21-3?

[abedeng]

Thai umpire and service judge. G2 score is not strange, maybe Taufik was angry and practically destroyed YKB in 2nd game .....

[azabaz_ipoh]

From what I read, the line judges made correct calls, but overruled by the umpire.

was the umpire of thai nationality? and the linesmen? i know taufik's conduct is not totally proper but if indeed there was obvious bad calls i kinda agree with walking off the court as a sign of protest. if there's enough walkoff, maybe it will highlight the problem of officiating in badminton. :) just my 2 cents.

[rhinovinda]

Thai umpire and service judge. G2 score is not strange, maybe Taufik was angry and practically destroyed YKB in 2nd game .....

hahaha ... very funny :D.

[abedeng]

There were 2 instances where the tournament referee was called, at 5-7 and 10-11. Each time, the match was delayed 10 minutes. This was in the 3rd game.

[Erwin Kyoto]

why Taufik said like that...yeah...as we know he is holder many titles of badminton tournaments and has also many gold medals...Olympic gold medal, Asean Games Gold medal (Busan and Doha), Sea Games 2001 gold medal (Team and individual events), World Champ Gold medal, Thomas cup 2000-2002 Gold medal....so one gold medal...no meaning for him if any unfair judgment in Badminton tournament. Surely, he just trying to do his best and doing the best for his country in this Sea Games...

If so many umpire' mistakes...it would give his opponents 'bonus points' and then can win the match...:eek::confused:


"If the Thais want to win the gold medal so much, I'll just give it to them," a furious Taufik told Reuters after being sent to the stands.

I think that should be umpire's mistakes, not for Thai players.


fast and furious...............:cool:

Not only Taufik...every player angry and emotional if he/she feels unfair line judging in the match...:( ...let see what happened in China SS, HK SS...:D :p


TH also complained about unfair line judging in Busan Asian Games 2002 when INA met KOR in Men's Team Final and KOR won gold. Nakhon Ratchasima 2007, once again TH can't control his emotion properly, maybe he needs anger therapy to minimize his temperamental attitude particularly to face the most important event next year in Beijing.


TH is a smart guy. He will be calm when he judges winning to be more important than letting his temper go free. Furthermore he managed to win the match after all, so what's the big deal?

[jasonmarc]

Its only SEA games, TH should just take it as a holiday.

Next year in Beijing is the big one. This Korat thingy is a mickey mouse trip.

He just try to get used to these things......like bad calls,....so and so....

because its going to happen in Beijing next year.....so be prepared on how to handle this kind of situation...;)

[Smichz]

Sorry to hear that,but I am sure he can be the winner if he keeps on being calm.Hell he'll win!!

[pjswift]

From what I read, the line judges made correct calls, but overruled by the umpire.
But he was furious with both umpire and one line judge. Anyway the BP/KL sf match today is officially civilised; no bad calls even. Maybe they reserve that kind of treatment for TH and LCW only,to train them for OG08.

[bocah]

still looking for the video... IMHO it'd better if he could control his emotion :rolleyes:

[samuel882]

was the umpire of thai nationality? and the linesmen? i know taufik's conduct is not totally proper but if indeed there was obvious bad calls i kinda agree with walking off the court as a sign of protest. if there's enough walkoff, maybe it will highlight the problem of officiating in badminton. :) just my 2 cents.
One or two bad line calls in a game was just normal. But let say there is more than that & the line judges never been removed, that is totally unacceptable :mad: Enough of tolerate from baddy players in the current circuit, from CO to HKO to SEA Games, its already started to become a "trend" , which may harm the sport. Which spectator who like to watch badminton match can still enjoying that with the protest & the match itself being halted for the wrong reason :mad::rolleyes:
I believe if LCW , TH, PG , Sony or any top players start to walk out in protest, BWF can't do anything much.. Just to fine them.
I don't think they will get banned or any other disciplinary actions.. BWF knows the current circuit needs them, just as they need China players..
with many circumstances of players walkover due to bad line calls, BWF will started to looking into more seriuos for this matter..;)

[Smichz]

In this case,then maybe WBF/IBF may consider to apply new judging system.They should put some video recorders on more angle,then the referee may refer to the video to give the final judgement.

[extremenanopowe]

as usual... shxx happens lor... he certainly entertains the crowd. need the drama.

[phaichamnan]

Khun, I watched Team Event on last Sunday 1st Men's Singles match between Taufik vs Boonsak. It's really bad line calling especially 1st game that lead to Taufik waved the racket down the court in the 3rd game.
I also recorded video by still camara of this shot.

[phaichamnan]

That's true " a bad line calling "
I watched match on last Sunday Boonsak vs Taufik

[Erwin Kyoto]

Khun, I watched Team Event on last Sunday 1st Men's Singles match between Taufik vs Boonsak. It's really bad line calling especially 1st game that lead to Taufik waved the racket down the court in the 3rd game.
I also recorded video by still camara of this shot.

oh yeah....could you shear the video for us pls....thnks:cool::p

[drifit]

as usual... shxx happens lor... he certainly entertains the crowd. need the drama.

ssdd.....................:p

[ants]

Bad calls not only happen in badminton.. i heard there is many bias calls toward's Thai opponents thruout some Seagame's events. Some competitor's even walk out "boycott" their GOLD medal :eek: match and give it to Thailand instead.

[pjswift]

One or two bad line calls in a game was just normal. But let say there is more than that & the line judges never been removed, that is totally unacceptable :mad: Enough of tolerate from baddy players in the current circuit, from CO to HKO to SEA Games, its already started to become a "trend" , which may harm the sport. Which spectator who like to watch badminton match can still enjoying that with the protest & the match itself being halted for the wrong reason :mad::rolleyes:
I believe if LCW , TH, PG , Sony or any top players start to walk out in protest, BWF can't do anything much.. Just to fine them.
I don't think they will get banned or any other disciplinary actions.. BWF knows the current circuit needs them, just as they need China players..
with many circumstances of players walkover due to bad line calls, BWF will started to looking into more seriuos for this matter..;)
In SO, we don't wait for BWF to act. The crowd just boo loud and clear until the line judge is replaced.We also boo the umpire who try to be the star of a match.As a spectator, you do have a say, so say it when the officials are misbehaving.They can get away with BWF but not from the crowd.

[Pemuda]

In SO, we don't wait for BWF to act. The crowd just boo loud and clear until the line judge is replaced.We also boo the umpire who try to be the star of a match.As a spectator, you do have a say, so say it when the officials are misbehaving.They can get away with BWF but not from the crowd.

Boo with a loudhailer?

[azabaz_ipoh]

In SO, we don't wait for BWF to act. The crowd just boo loud and clear until the line judge is replaced.We also boo the umpire who try to be the star of a match.As a spectator, you do have a say, so say it when the officials are misbehaving.They can get away with BWF but not from the crowd.

but if the officials are from the country that hosted the game then that means that the majority of spectators would be the officials' countrymen. i dont see how they would boo their own countrymen. even if they think the calls were bad. there is an expected loyalty there. :cool:

[kwun]

but if the officials are from the country that hosted the game then that means that the majority of spectators would be the officials' countrymen. i dont see how they would boo their own countrymen. even if they think the calls were bad. there is an expected loyalty there. :cool:

not true. in China Open, the audience was boo'ing the linejudges and umpires.

[Oldhand]

but if the officials are from the country that hosted the game then that means that the majority of spectators would be the officials' countrymen. i dont see how they would boo their own countrymen. even if they think the calls were bad. there is an expected loyalty there. :cool:
Er, shame and shaming have no loyalty or nationality :p
I've seen Russian fans boo Russian judges for favouring Russian gymnasts :cool:

[azabaz_ipoh]

not true. in China Open, the audience was boo'ing the linejudges and umpires.


Er, shame and shaming have no loyalty or nationality :p
I've seen Russian fans boo Russian judges for favouring Russian gymnasts :cool:

really? my apologies for assuming the worse. it is good to know that fans know what is best for the sport that they love. i would boo my country's umpire too if they are obviously biased. there's hope yet for a better badminton tournaments in the future. :D :) and other sports too :)

[Linus]

Bad calls not only happen in badminton.. i heard there is many bias calls toward's Thai opponents thruout some Seagame's events. Some competitor's even walk out "boycott" their GOLD medal :eek: match and give it to Thailand instead.

That make headline today when the Philippines boxing team boycotts all their finals (maybe 8-9 golds at stake) protesting the alleged biased result in another boxing match whereby the opponent (against a Thai boxer) was not awarded a single point in the whole match.

Boxing (and the likes of gymnastic, figure skating, diving etc) is still using a very subjective point scoring system (unless it is a T.K.O.) that give rise to numerous disputes, that may need a overhaul to the judging criteria.

But badminton's disputes are mainly on bad line calls, that in my opinion, can be relatively easy to overcome, if BWF really want to improve the game.

[azabaz_ipoh]

That make headline today when the Philippines boxing team boycotts all their finals (maybe 8-9 golds at stake) protesting the alleged biased result in another boxing match whereby the opponent (against a Thai boxer) was not awarded a single point in the whole match.

Boxing (and the likes of gymnastic, figure skating, diving etc) is still using a very subjective point scoring system (unless it is a T.K.O.) that give rise to numerous disputes, that may need a overhaul to the judging criteria.

But badminton's disputes are mainly on bad line calls, that in my opinion, can be relatively easy to overcome, if BWF really want to improve the game.

woh. being biased is one thing but being obviously biased is another. this is not good for boxing in particular and sports in general. that is sad. imagine training your whole life, fighting with all your might and not being awarded a single point for your efforts.

[indra]

How to fix the situation:

1. Hire linesman/women, umpires, service judges professionally. They are entitled to pay for their services. NO MORE VOLUNTEERS. Volunteerism in professional sports only do more harm than good in the long term.

2. Provide a camera on every corner/ side of the court.

3. Replace any linesman/woman, umpire, service judge who makes a bad call more than once as evidenced by the on-the-spot replayed camera. This is NON NEGOTIABLE....

4. Ban any players who is involved in any match fixing for at least 1 year. If the match fixing is ordered by the coach, ban the coach from accompanying the players while playing for at least 10 years.

[jurong_twister]

But badminton's disputes are mainly on bad line calls, that in my opinion, can be relatively easy to overcome, if BWF really want to improve the game.

It's very unlikely, because BWF is run bunch of boot-lickers.

[indra]

It's very unlikely, because BWF is run bunch of boot-lickers.

Sack all of them...No mercy!

[speedy]

Bad calls not only happen in badminton.. i heard there is many bias calls toward's Thai opponents thruout some Seagame's events. Some competitor's even walk out "boycott" their GOLD medal :eek: match and give it to Thailand instead.

Agree 100%. This is a known fact and its a bitter fact that we have to accept. Just makes the SEA countries look bad :(

[cooler]

That make headline today when the Philippines boxing team boycotts all their finals (maybe 8-9 golds at stake) protesting the alleged biased result in another boxing match whereby the opponent (against a Thai boxer) was not awarded a single point in the whole match.

Boxing (and the likes of gymnastic, figure skating, diving etc) is still using a very subjective point scoring system (unless it is a T.K.O.) that give rise to numerous disputes, that may need a overhaul to the judging criteria.

But badminton's disputes are mainly on bad line calls, that in my opinion, can be relatively easy to overcome, if BWF really want to improve the game.
wow, it sure make the Koreans (Seoul OG) look like amatuer cheaters:p

[justin-terbalik]

That make headline today when the Philippines boxing team boycotts all their finals (maybe 8-9 golds at stake) protesting the alleged biased result in another boxing match whereby the opponent (against a Thai boxer) was not awarded a single point in the whole match.

Boxing (and the likes of gymnastic, figure skating, diving etc) is still using a very subjective point scoring system (unless it is a T.K.O.) that give rise to numerous disputes, that may need a overhaul to the judging criteria.

But badminton's disputes are mainly on bad line calls, that in my opinion, can be relatively easy to overcome, if BWF really want to improve the game.


Did Filipinos already forgot about last sea games..it was thai who protested, saying that Filipino become overall winner because some match favour filipinos player and gold was given to filipinos "under table"...until make former thai pm Thaksin raised the issue in asean meeting.

Now..thai is leading and become overall winner....and filipino turn to protest...what a funny...so attentions to those ASEAN leaders...if u want ur country become overall winner in SEA games..then just become host country...

*sigh*...ASEAN are so different with UE

[george@chongwei]

wow, really wat had happened???
but TH chance to take the gold medal looks good after BP bowed out in the semi final...

[tehsham]

if u want ur country become overall winner in SEA games..then just become host country...
U got it right..MAS was the overall champion when they host the game.
Anyway I believe only the Olympic sports should be contested and not every traditional games included where the host is strong.

[indra]

Did Filipinos already forgot about last sea games..it was thai who protested, saying that Filipino become overall winner because some match favour filipinos player and gold was given to filipinos "under table"...until make former thai pm Thaksin raised the issue in asean meeting.

Now..thai is leading and become overall winner....and filipino turn to protest...what a funny...so attentions to those ASEAN leaders...if u want ur country become overall winner in SEA games..then just become host country...

*sigh*...ASEAN are so different with UE

My advice:

NO match involving judges....No gymnastics, no boxing, no karate, no taek kwondo, no wushu, and the likes....

[george@chongwei]

My advice:

NO match involving judges....No gymnastics, no boxing, no karate, no taek kwondo, no wushu, and the likes....
if like that, there is no more olyimpic or sea games...
it will become BORING GAME....:):p:p:D:D

[tehsham]

My advice:

NO match involving judges....No gymnastics, no boxing, no karate, no taek kwondo, no wushu, and the likes....
U mean no badminton, no tennis, no etc.... as all these games involve line judges

[vching]

haha Taufik definitely very interesting....

I haven't been following the news because my family has cancelled the subscription of The Star etc because of all the propaganda :D :)

Guess BC forums will have to do for my badminton news cravings! haha

[bad_fanatic]

again bad line calls?? I tot oni China? Now Thai oso 4lowing?
Poor Taufik.. Nvm la Taufik, as long as we know u r the best player...

Bad line calls happens every where, not just in Thailand or China. I've seen a few bad at the Malaysian Open, and other tournaments.

Martin Frost gave a good example. There's always going to be a bad line call so forget about and move on. Don't let it affect you.

[apontoh]

My feeling is that the Sea Games is a farce...if I'm not mistaken, host nations have won at least three of the last sea games...vietnam, phillipines, and thailand. it's very suspicious... this is something that doesn't happen in the Olympics, where US, China and Russia usually dominate the top few spots consistently.

[ctjcad]

How to fix the situation:

1. Hire linesman/women, umpires, service judges professionally. They are entitled to pay for their services. NO MORE VOLUNTEERS. Volunteerism in professional sports only do more harm than good in the long term.

2. Provide a camera on every corner/ side of the court.

3. Replace any linesman/woman, umpire, service judge who makes a bad call more than once as evidenced by the on-the-spot replayed camera. This is NON NEGOTIABLE....
:p..Point no. 3 seems to be somewhat contradicting point #1 though. If they hire "neutral", professional linesmen/women, umpires and service judges, what are the chances they will make a bad call more than once??..:confused:..If they make bad calls more than once, would they be called "neutral" & "professional"??;)..What is the no. of limit, of bad calls, they are allowed??..:confused::p

My advice:

NO match involving judges....No gymnastics, no boxing, no karate, no taek kwondo, no wushu, and the likes....
:p:D..in other words, the players will call whatever they please??..If that happens, wait til the fans, watching the matches, really go berserk..:confused:;)