If it does happen that LCW and BCL play in the final, I hope the Malaysian line judges won't repeat the mistakes of the 2nd China Open. But if it does happen, it'd be a good example of karma. What do you guys think ?

If it does happen that LCW and BCL play in the final, I hope the Malaysian line judges won't repeat the mistakes of the 2nd China Open. But if it does happen, it'd be a good example of karma. What do you guys think ?

I think we should not take credit away from BCL when he thumped LCW the last time they met.

If our shuttlers are defeated, we must be able to accept defeat graciously. If our shuttlers are good, they will win.

Hopefully lcw will revenge for his lost in china open, hope that he will play well:)

Guys, one game at a time, lets hope Lee Chong Wei play well on day 1 before we talk about day 2.

yeah, dont give too much pressure on him...

yeah, dont give too much pressure on him...

ok, ok no pressure. :o

yeah, dont give too much pressure on him...

A worthy champion should be able to deal with the pressure. Chong Wei can still be vulnerable at times and has cracked under pressure too many times.

As for the line judging situation, we all hope for impartiality, and it would be in very bad taste to have home lines people sway the outcome of a match... any match. To echo Pemuda's comments, BCL would have beaten LCW hands down, suspicious judging or not, in the China Open final, such was his dominance.

The final scenario of top seed vs second seed is expected for every sport tourney including this MAS SS/08. In last 3 months, Lee Chong Wei met BCL thrice where LCW suffered losing two times (semifinal DEN and final CHN Open SS) and won once (final FRA SS). Before LCW-BCL encounter, there's one mouth watering match to wait is LCW vs TH in quarter...

I think we should not take credit away from BCL when he thumped LCW the last time they met.

If our shuttlers are defeated, we must be able to accept defeat graciously. If our shuttlers are good, they will win.

I do agree that we shouldn't take away from BCL victory, but I'm also inclined to feel for LCW. I know the effects of frustrations and upsets and these feelings can really throw off your game. When i watched him the semi final of the china open he was really calm and relaxed, which is good. However, throw in some bad line calls and things can go pretty sour. Perhaps this is a bit a training period for LCW. A training to become relaxed in times of distress. Well anyways I hope his matches get broadcasted, lol. Kind of worried i won't see any, since all of the good matches are being played in the earlier stages of the tournament.

If it does happen that LCW and BCL play in the final, I hope the Malaysian line judges won't repeat the mistakes of the 2nd China Open. But if it does happen, it'd be a good example of karma. What do you guys think ?
yupppppppppppp........i agree 100 percent, line judge must be good:D:D:D:D

Hai..take till that far.. LCW has Hafiz & Taufik waiting 4 him....

i think they will meet again....
but hope the umpire n line judge dont be unfair to us!!!

hafiz??really tough lah for him.lost to lcw in 3 sets will be good enough.

that tall bcl.he'll get it from lcw in my motherland.wait bcl.ur time has comes.
so arrogant.sorry.but i mean it..

First, LCW has to get pass Hafiz... Hafiz has won him before. It won't be surprising if this happens again... And unpredictable Taufik is along the way too...

I guess....LCW will win...it is difficult for any current world-class player to defeat in-form LCW....LCW MUST, MUST, and MUST win this Malaysian SS.

I guess....LCW will win...it is difficult for any current world-class player to defeat in-form LCW....LCW MUST, MUST, and MUST win this Malaysian SS.
What about TAUFIK then , his possible opponents in QF :D

What about TAUFIK then , his possible opponents in QF :D

LCW will defeat Taufik...right now LCW is too strong for Taufik

maybe WCH can spoil the party by beating BCL today?
anyone?

maybe WCH can spoil the party by beating BCL today?
anyone?
Of course, the possibility is there, just that, not high...unless BCL plays like CH ytd, or WCH is playing superb today....just wait n see, but I hope Da Ge Han thru to next round:D

maybe WCH can spoil the party by beating BCL today?
anyone?

Possible but unlikely, we can't judge Choon Hann performance base on victory against Chen Hong as he is not the same player we once know. Anyway, the advantage Choon Hann has is the home court advantage plus fan support. Still, I find it hard for Choon Hann to overcome younger Bao.

Possible but unlikely, we can't judge Choon Hann performance base on victory against Chen Hong as he is not the same player we once know. Anyway, the advantage Choon Hann has is the home court advantage plus fan support. Still, I find it hard for Choon Hann to overcome younger Bao.

Guess Chen Hong pay back time for what he owes to Malaysian.

Not sure can LCW's peak sustain until Olympic Game.. Sometime not a good sign to get at peak so fast...
I guess....LCW will win...it is difficult for any current world-class player to defeat in-form LCW....LCW MUST, MUST, and MUST win this Malaysian SS.

gogogogogogooooooooo WCH! he is the underdog i want to see make many upsets.

I hope WCH defeat Bao. I really hope that. ;)

win or lose(vs bcl)..wch is great.i give him credit for playing good all this while.n kkk lost.maybe off-topic.but sad lah.bcoz he had the chance n wasted it.play with a style is good.i was satisfied with his game.cant win all the time.just hope he can entertained then win.

that tall bcl.he'll get it from lcw in my motherland.wait bcl.ur time has comes.
so arrogant.sorry.but i mean it..

I suggest you dont count your chickens before they are hatched.

There will be no LCW vs BCL, dont panic. KJ surprising showed his Denmark stripes, roared BCL out of competition.

Impressive. KJ in his 30s are still able to play top level badminton.

There will be no LCW vs BCL, dont panic. KJ surprising showed his Denmark stripes, roared BCL out of competition.
wow n wow.what a??

have i told u bcl.u'll get it in my motherland.

pemuda,i have counted the chicken after they are hatched.my instinct always right.

wow n wow.what a??

have i told u bcl.u'll get it in my motherland.

pemuda,i have counted the chicken after they are hatched.my instinct always right.

Is KJ a Malaysian??? :o

Sorry, I think you lost count after 3 ..

Is KJ a Malaysian??? :o

Sorry, I think you lost count after 3 ..
haha.come back n be funnier.

lets support lcw tommorow.losing mood due to kkk but i'll try my best towatch lcw n wmc

Impressive. KJ in his 30s are still able to play top level badminton.

Yup, in straight sets too. We all watching livescore also surprised cos were focusing on LCW vs Simon S and Kenderick vs LeeHI. Noone expected KJ to win it.

haha.come back n be funnier.

lets support lcw tommorow.losing mood due to kkk but i'll try my best towatch lcw n wmc

KJ beat BCL and its a Malaysia Boleh?

Yup, in straight sets too. We all watching livescore also surprised cos were focusing on LCW vs Simon S and Kenderick vs LeeHI. Noone expected KJ to win it.

Bao was leading 14-11 when Kenneth turned on his turbo mode and ran away with 10 straight points to seal the set :eek:

Yup, in straight sets too. We all watching livescore also surprised cos were focusing on LCW vs Simon S and Kenderick vs LeeHI. Noone expected KJ to win it.

The Danes must be doing something right cos they have shuttlers in the 30s who are still top class.

KJ beat BCL and its a Malaysia Boleh?

I think to most MAS fans...as long as China doesn't win it....its a Malaysia Boleh thingy :p

Yup, in straight sets too. We all watching livescore also surprised cos were focusing on LCW vs Simon S and Kenderick vs LeeHI. Noone expected KJ to win it.
This results aint served any surprise to me, KJ performance in recent Denmark Master (In the first set) against Peter Gade was simply awesome. :eek: As I have said it before, KJ is quite consistent in SS by reaching at least Quarter Finals in many occurence
On the other notes , Bao -- kinda mentally weak especially playing under huge pressure to deliver -- Chinese Squad definately count on him after LD withdrawal here.

The Danes must be doing something right cos they have shuttlers in the 30s who are still top class.

The Danes are well-known as late bloomers. Look at Eriksen/Hansen....they started to make noises only in the past 4 years. First, they won the All-England in 2004, squeezed through to the Semi-Final of the Olympics 2004, before winning the All-England again in 2006.

The number of titles Eriksen/Hansen won in the past 4 years way surpass their entire performance when they were younger.

The same goes their "new" pair: Simon Mollyhus/Anders Kristiansen. Mollyhus is 24 yo while Kristiansen is already 28.

KJ beat BCL and its a Malaysia Boleh?

I think to most MAS fans...as long as China doesn't win it....its a Malaysia Boleh thingy :p

My fellows, the right attitude is to hope someone win, not others to lose :cool:

.............On the other notes , Bao -- kinda mentally weak especially playing under huge pressure to deliver -- Chinese Squad definately count on him after LD withdrawal here.

+ Chen Jin lost already yesterday. Chen Yu was having tough fight against SSM, more pressure. BCL just not used to being the main hope, always LD is.

The Danes are well-known as late bloomers. Look at Eriksen/Hansen....they started to make noises only in the past 4 years. First, they won the All-England in 2004, squeezed through to the Semi-Final of the Olympics 2004, before winning the All-England again in 2006.

The number of titles Eriksen/Hansen won in the past 4 years way surpass their entire performance when they were younger.

The same goes their "new" pair: Simon Mollyhus/Anders Kristiansen. Mollyhus is 24 yo while Kristiansen is already 28.

You gotta have a true professional attitude to play top level badminton in your 30s.

I think to most MAS fans...as long as China doesn't win it....its a Malaysia Boleh thingy :p
u got it right.
im happy enough if kkk played well.everything is ok for me.
lost is lost.

n tomorrow.MALAYSIA BOLEH.

You gotta have a true professional attitude to play top level badminton in your 30s.

Unfortunately, most badminton strong powerhouse like China, Indonesia and Korea, do not really encourage players to play after they reach 27-28. Look at Chen Hong...he has yet to reach 28 and already retired from the national squad and is now a free-lance. The same goes for Zhao Tingting's former partner, Chen Qiqiu, who retired when he was only 27 or 28.

In Indonesia, players also rarely remain in Pelatnas once they reach 30. Flandy Limpele is currenly the only one exception. Even Taufik Hidayat, who's only 26 is saying that his playing career will only last at most 2 more years :o I personally think Taufik will be gone after this year's Olympics.

u got it right.
im happy enough if kkk played well.everything is ok for me.
lost is lost.

n tomorrow.MALAYSIA BOLEH.

LOL...this is what I meant by a true-blue Koo Kien Keat fan :o Err....what about Tan Boon Heong :rolleyes: ?

+ Chen Jin lost already yesterday. Chen Yu was having tough fight against SSM, more pressure. BCL just not used to being the main hope, always LD is.
So sad to see theres basically no consistent hope beyond LD...

Before there could be reliance on Chen Hong aswell, but hes just falling and falling deeper into the abyss, he just doesn't seem to be anywhere near what he used to be nowadays.

Chen Yu aswell, this guy has the ability to constantly beat the best Chinese players and anyone, but his stamina? and mentality just does not seem strong enough for him.

Bao was leading 14-11 when Kenneth turned on his turbo mode and ran away with 10 straight points to seal the set :eek:
I was cheering for KJ at L2 first row near court 1. KJ moved well and managed to retrieve a few deceptive dropshots by BCL. BCL didn't play well and KJ just kept returning the shuttle back. Some audience "shouting" at KJ to give away his winning racquet after he won that match. But I guess KJ didn't hear it.

So sad to see theres basically no consistent hope beyond LD...

Before there could be reliance on Chen Hong aswell, but hes just falling and falling deeper into the abyss, he just doesn't seem to be anywhere near what he used to be nowadays.

Chen Yu aswell, this guy has the ability to constantly beat the best Chinese players and anyone, but his stamina? and mentality just does not seem strong enough for him.
Chen Yu saved some face for China by advancing to the SF. SSM almost got him in the 1st game. It was so close.

no more lcw vs bcl after bao yesterday bowed out...

Unfortunately, most badminton strong powerhouse like China, Indonesia and Korea, do not really encourage players to play after they reach 27-28. Look at Chen Hong...he has yet to reach 28 and already retired from the national squad and is now a free-lance. The same goes for Zhao Tingting's former partner, Chen Qiqiu, who retired when he was only 27 or 28.

In Indonesia, players also rarely remain in Pelatnas once they reach 30. Flandy Limpele is currenly the only one exception. Even Taufik Hidayat, who's only 26 is saying that his playing career will only last at most 2 more years :o I personally think Taufik will be gone after this year's Olympics.

Maybe they quit early because they cant stand the training. I mean, the older you are, the tougher it is gonna be. Imagine a 30+ yr old playing against someone who is ten years younger.

Well there will be a great match for ms tomorrow..lcw with his coach misbun vs Lee hyun il with his coach li mao!!Who will win?We will see it tomorrow =D
Too bad i cant watch it on tv coz i have to go for my driving class T_T

Maybe they quit early because they cant stand the training. I mean, the older you are, the tougher it is gonna be. Imagine a 30+ yr old playing against someone who is ten years younger.

You are partly right, in the sense that the training is very tough, designed for peak performance, and this must come at a price, sacrificing longevity. Sometimes, we see exceptions like Zhang Ning and Flandy, but even they are finding it hard to maintain consistency now.

European training system is different, athletes stay in peak condition up to mid-30s, practically in every sport. Denmark's badminton players since Flemming Delfs and Morten Frost were so consistent up to the end of their playing career, the same tradition continues with the current batch of players.

You are partly right, in the sense that the training is very tough, designed for peak performance, and this must come at a price, sacrificing longevity. Sometimes, we see exceptions like Zhang Ning and Flandy, but even they are finding it hard to maintain consistency now.

European training system is different, athletes stay in peak condition up to mid-30s, practically in every sport. Denmark's badminton players since Flemming Delfs and Morten Frost were so consistent up to the end of their playing career, the same tradition continues with the current batch of players.

We have to admit western athletes are more disciplined in the sense that they are still able to perform at the top when they are well into their 30s. In that sense, they are very professional.

Denmark, I believe must be doing something right as they have been successful in the Olympics and WCs. If we look at yesterday's match between Tine & ZL, Tine despite being a less technical and skillful shuttler won. I would say Tine's mental toughness was the make or break factor in yesterday's match.

Maybe they quit early because they cant stand the training. I mean, the older you are, the tougher it is gonna be. Imagine a 30+ yr old playing against someone who is ten years younger.your assertion is 99% incorrect. Only 1 I know of is Lee Hyun-Il who quit when li mao came onboard and so he can train under another club. Runner up in 08 MO, i doubt Lee stop training. However, in china, players dont quit, they get the booted out by lyb. Look at chen hong, he is floudering because he not getting enough 'hard training.'

In 2004 Uber qualifying, 'Eva Lee couldn't handle seasoned veteran Denise Julien, losing 11-5, 11-3.' Denise is 40+ at that time.

your assertion is 99% incorrect. Only 1 I know of is Lee Hyun-Il who quit when li mao came onboard and so he can train under another club. Runner up in 08 MO, i doubt Lee stop training. However, in china, players dont quit, they get the booted out by lyb. Look at chen hong, he is floudering because he not getting enough 'hard training.'.

I like LYB. I know he is not the nicest chap around. But LYB is not supposed to be a nice loving chap. His job is to deliver winners and titles. And this is a realistic world. Perform you stay, dont perform he show you the door. No wonder China is a badminton powerhouse till today.

I like LYB. I know he is not the nicest chap around. But LYB is not supposed to be a nice loving chap. His job is to deliver winners and titles. And this is a realistic world. Perform you stay, dont perform he show you the door. No wonder China is a badminton powerhouse till today.

Might work for a country like China where the supply is endless and you can pick and choose. Even countries like Malaysia and Indonesia, with their rich badminton tradition, are unable to keep up. Look at some of the backup players or ones they are grooming to be future seniors; it's not looking that good.

We have to admit western athletes are more disciplined in the sense that they are still able to perform at the top when they are well into their 30s. In that sense, they are very professional.

Denmark, I believe must be doing something right as they have been successful in the Olympics and WCs. If we look at yesterday's match between Tine & ZL, Tine despite being a less technical and skillful shuttler won. I would say Tine's mental toughness was the make or break factor in yesterday's match. i disagree.
I say the reason is because denmark team did their homework.
tine is aware of each of the top chinese gal strength and weaknesses where as tine isn't on lyb or chinese gal's radar screen as yet.

Since this thread is about LCW vs BCL, aren't we off-topic here? ;)

I like LYB. I know he is not the nicest chap around. But LYB is not supposed to be a nice loving chap. His job is to deliver winners and titles. And this is a realistic world. Perform you stay, dont perform he show you the door. No wonder China is a badminton powerhouse till today. just for clarification, i did not assert that LYB is not nice or any of his personal character. All i said who if u dont perform, ur release from the team. This is common in all sport and business organization, not just in china badminton team. Of course there are the unusual exception.

Since this thread is about LCW vs BCL, aren't we off-topic here? ;)
i was only making some correction to some incorrect assumptions.
I think the thread starter angelou is trying to re-ignite a previously discussed controversy - that lcw lost in china open was due to the alleged 1 or 2 bad line calls instead of bcl superior performance. Too bad angelou don't remembered some old bad line calls in previous MAL Opens where lin dan lost to lcw.

Since this thread is about LCW vs BCL, aren't we off-topic here? ;)



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:D:D:D Perhaps, LYB could say to all the other players mentioned thus far (in this thread)... "OK, only LCW and BCL can stay", and "All Danish players should be retired".

But LYB has forgotten that he's still keeping ZN. :D:D:D
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But LYB has forgotten that he's still keeping ZN. :D:D:D
.because this guard dog ZN is still winining title in 2007. She owned XXF to take the 2007 singapore WS title. ZN also won the athen gold, lyb dont forget that. I will even postulate that lyb will keep ZN in the women team beyond 2008, as a coach.

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:D:D:D Perhaps, LYB could say to all the other players mentioned thus far (in this thread)... "OK, only LCW and BCL can stay", and "All Danish players should be retired".

But LYB has forgotten that he's still keeping ZN. :D:D:D
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now u got it wrong.

ZN is really something.u wont know when n where she will win.
belittle her is not a good choice.

even if it is really her time to step down,she may do something in the end of her career.perhaps another olympic gold.that time,u'll regret u have ever post this statement.dnt play play.

LCW will defeat Taufik...right now LCW is too strong for Taufik

it sounds so pessimistic, not a type of Indra