If against MAS:

This is a must win game....our pride are on the line we have to take this game or else MAS will continue to look down on us.....but here is the analysis


Sony vs Lee Chong Wei. We all know that Chong Wei should take this one...unless miracles happend......But ya

Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan vs Koo Kin Keat-Tan Boon Heong. Again MAS would take the point here

Taufik vs Chong Han. Taufik would trash Wong Chon Han

Luluk Hadianto-Alven Yulianto vs Tan fook-Wan Wah. 50-50 chance but on a good day Luven might win the tie....

Simon Santoso vs Hafiz. Of course Simon


Well I hope thats the thing.....but We'll see I'd say 55-45 to MAS.....Luluk-Alven is the crucial one to take

i think HH shud not at this squad if based on his recent performance..

sony have beaten LCW before and even though Markis and hendra have not beaten KKK/TBH yet, they are on a rise now. winning a lot. so i would say it is a 50-50 chance. and yes, based on hafiz's recent performance, maybe he should not be in the squad this year.

sony have beaten LCW before and even though Markis and hendra have not beaten KKK/TBH yet, they are on a rise now. winning a lot. so i would say it is a 50-50 chance. and yes, based on hafiz's recent performance, maybe he should not be in the squad this year.

Why not?? He is a cool guy... I think he is better than Roslin, Tsuen Seng or even Kay Bin......I'll go with Hafiz

INA has a very high possibility of winning because INA has a very good team:D.I don't understand why it is said that MAS looks down on INA:confused:On the contrary I think many people look down on MAS now..:(I really hope that MAS will claim the TC trophy this year...:o But I think CHN and INA are too strong for MAS:o And I think our pride is at stake, not INA's:(

Why not?? He is a cool guy... I think he is better than Roslin, Tsuen Seng or even Kay Bin......I'll go with Hafiz
Hmm...Hafiz is so unpredictable:p He is a good player actually but he is very inconsistent:( Btw, it'll be very interesing to see young players like Arif Latif or Tan Chun Seang play in TC:D :):D

INA has a very high possibility of winning because INA has a very good team:D.I don't understand why it is said that MAS looks down on INA:confused:On the contrary I think many people look down on MAS now..:(I really hope that MAS will claim the TC trophy this year...:o But I think CHN and INA are too strong for MAS:o And I think our pride is at stake, not INA's:(

No dude u are wrong...If u are up against INA before the match u are sure to gain the 2 points...1st doubles and 1st singles. and maybe 2nd doubles....I'll rate the chance 55-45 to MAS....if it gets to decider like the 3rd singles then INA would win or else the tie goes to MAS

I'll rate the chance 55-45 to MAS....if it gets to decider like the 3rd singles then INA would win or else the tie goes to MAS

In that case, we should put another player instead of Hafiz for 3rd singles, maybe LTS, Arif or TCS ...... :D

Even if they lose (which is expected), Arif and TCS will grow up and fight for the later editions.

Don't look down on your own chances, at this point INA is quite solid and it is possible to beat CHN on current lineup. MAS and DEN are having a bit of a balance problem, and ageing players.

In that case, we should put another player instead of Hafiz for 3rd singles, maybe LTS, Arif or TCS ...... :D

Even if they lose (which is expected), Arif and TCS will grow up and fight for the later editions.

Don't look down on your own chances, at this point INA is quite solid and it is possible to beat CHN on current lineup. MAS and DEN are having a bit of a balance problem, and ageing players.
INA has to clean up both MD to have a realistic chance of beating CHN...as for MAS, if TH/LD beat LCW, MAS chances are over.

yeah, malaysia is weak in the singles department. if we could strengthen that up then we will have a good chance. but this year will be a tough one. i agree with abedeng that the juniors should be given a chance to gain experience here.

INA has to clean up both MD to have a realistic chance of beating CHN...as for MAS, if TH/LD beat LCW, MAS chances are over.

With Taufik current run...Taufik is playing 2nd singles....well Sony can't beat LCW...INA need to work miracles...I think INA might have better chance against China..

2 Doubles and also 1 from Taufik in 2nd singles while with MAS if LCW lose then its over but INA need to take all the no 2 and the no 3 singles with MAS....MAS doubles are too strong for INA

Don't forget the Danes. They have equally chance to defeating China,Malaysia and even Indonesia.

But I think Indonesia is strong as well. Malaysia... hmmmm fragile.

Don't forget the Danes. They have equally chance to defeating China,Malaysia and even Indonesia.

But I think Indonesia is strong as well. Malaysia... hmmmm fragile.

My frank opinion, all 4 are fragile against certain opposition, Malaysia, Indonesia, Denmark, and even China. Make that 5, Korea is getting stronger in MS, but MD standards have gone down. Denmark and China has the best balance, perhaps.

Could be the most open tournament we ever see, and probably the 1st one since 2000 when the strongest team did not win, Denmark losing to Indonesia in a very tight semifinal.

My only regret is not being able to see this live in Senayan...It would be a brilliant atmoshpher....

the MAS team is indeed fragile. against the top teams, i can't see MAS doing well if LCW falls. except possibly against DEN, if both MD win then it's possible that hafiz could beat joachim, i wouldn't like to put money on it though. i'd actually be more comfortable with rosling as 3rd singles than hafiz.

here are the potential line-ups based on the latest world rankings:

CHN

LD
CY/FHF
BCL
GZD/XZB
CJ


MAS

LCW
KKK/TBH
WCH
CTF/LWW
HH


INA

SDK
MK/HS
TH
LH/AY
SS


DEN

KJ
JE/ML
PG
LP/JR
JP


KOR

PSH
LYD/JJS
LHI
LJJ/HJM
SSM

with too much pressure resting on LCW shoulders, i think MAS might not do so well in this Thomas Cup. But it will not stop me from hoping against all odds that MAS will perform well and maybe, just maybe, win it. but realistically the odds are against us. denmark and china looks good to win it and followed closely by indonesia.

i think it's better for team INA if TH's ranking stays below SDK. i believe their chances against CHN are better in this scenario, with INA beating CHN in MD1, MS2 and MD2.

i would say the favourites are:

1) CHN
2) INA
3) MAS, DEN, KOR

i can see INA and MAS possibly beating CHN, but i don't think DEN can do the same.

also, i can see DEN, MAS and INA all beating each other.

KOR will always remain a dark horse, but their cause has definitely been boosted by the return of LHI. if his ranking allows him to stay as MS2, KOR will be dangerous.

here are the potential line-ups based on the latest world rankings:



KOR

PSH
LYD/JJS
LHI
LJJ/HJM
SSM
I think LHI WR should moved above PSH and placed at their 1st Singles

Ideal Seedings
1. China
2. INA (as host country; they will avoid the mighty Chinese if seeded second)
3. DEN
4. MAS or KOREA (very much will be depends on their results in Qualifying round)

I think LHI WR should moved above PSH and placed at their 1st Singles

when's the cut off point for world rankings to determine who has to play first in the thomas cup?

Its better if Taufik stays at no 2....so to beat China Taufik would need to beat Bao Chun Lai and the 2 doubles to win the game....well Kido and Setiawan is the crucial tie and then Luluk-Alven can surely beat the 2nd doubles..

BEating MAS is more complicated cos MAS are strong in doubles.......INA would surely lose the first doubles and singles but the rest are there for the taking....I mean 2nd and 3rd singles definately belongs to INA (if only Candra-TOny can play for INA then we have a very good chance of beating MAS)

Against Denmark might be a bit complicated as well.....INA would take 3rd singles and also one of the doubles....but then they need to steal points from somewhere else


Against Korea I think INA has a good chance of winning the tie.................

Its better if Taufik stays at no 2....so to beat China Taufik would need to beat Bao Chun Lai and the 2 doubles to win the game....well Kido and Setiawan is the crucial tie and then Luluk-Alven can surely beat the 2nd doubles..


i don't think you can assume that alvent/luluk will beat GZD/XZB. GZD/XZB have beaten some good pairs recently, including CTF/LWW and LYD/JJS. admittedly it was on their home turf, but i think the match could be closer than you think.

basically, against CHN, INA and MAS are in the same boat. they both have to win both doubles and 1 of the singles, and it looks like TH and LCW are the keys to winning the singles. i reckon the odds are 60-40 in CHN's favour when facing either INA or MAS.

i don't think you can assume that alvent/luluk will beat GZD/XZB. GZD/XZB have beaten some good pairs recently, including CTF/LWW and LYD/JJS. admittedly it was on their home turf, but i think the match could be closer than you think.

basically, against CHN, INA and MAS are in the same boat. they both have to win both doubles and 1 of the singles, and it looks like TH and LCW are the keys to winning the singles. i reckon the odds are 60-40 in CHN's favour when facing either INA or MAS.

I can see somehow INA winning against China but against MAS I think a bit difficult cos MAS ave good doubles...Well against CHN INA would have to steal 1 single while against MAS INA need to steal 1 doubles or maybe Sony miracolously beat LCW

I can see somehow INA winning against China but against MAS I think a bit difficult cos MAS ave good doubles...Well against CHN INA would have to steal 1 single while against MAS INA need to steal 1 doubles or maybe Sony miracolously beat LCW

well, sony's beaten him before right?

well, sony's beaten him before right?

Both SONY and SIMON had beaten Lee Chong Wei before :D

Both SONY and SIMON had beaten Lee Chong Wei before :D

sony's victory was much more recent, right?

i think it's unlikely that simon will be up against LCW in the TC, so there's no point speculating on it.

sony's victory was much more recent, right?

i think it's unlikely that simon will be up against LCW in the TC, so there's no point speculating on it.

Who knows? We might come up with:
1. Simon Santoso
2. Andre Kurniawan Tedjono
3. Tommy Sugiarto
:D

Who knows? We might come up with:
1. Simon Santoso
2. Andre Kurniawan Tedjono
3. Tommy Sugiarto
:D

is this is INA's MS line, it would be :eek::eek::eek:.

Sony and Taufik still needed,.......O well I hope Andre would make the cut like 4th singles.....get him some experience perhaps against weaker teams

KOR is not necessarily advantageous with LHI in 2nd singles. It could be more of a "trade" point, lose 1st singles but win in 2nd. So not actually an advantage unless the 2 doubles and 3rd singles can pickup 2 pts.

If he were to be in 1st singles, both he and PSH has good chances against the rest of top 2 MS, LD/BCL, LCW/WCH, SDK/TH, Gade/KJ etc.

Sony and Taufik still needed,.......O well I hope Andre would make the cut like 4th singles.....get him some experience perhaps against weaker teams

Yup, I would like Andre to be in INA team, he can be a spoiler 'cos not many have played him before. Probably better than Simon when he was 1st representing INA in Thomas Cup.

Still believe INA is better with Taufik at No 1, who knows, he could be invincible in Senayan again ....... Also, based on current form n head-to-head, Sony would have a better chance at No 2, esp against weak-minded Bao and ageing WCH.

I'm thinking the opposite for Taufik. It'd be better for him to play #1 as mentally he is more up to the challenge of taking on the LD, LCW, and PGs of the world. Sony would be an ace up the sleeve taking on the 2nd tier of singles guys. He would face a lot less pressure and players w/ a hole in their game.

It's a gamble, but if u win u win big i.e. both Taufik & Sony come through. Or put it another way Sony beating the top tier would take a minor miracle vs. Taufik doing the same.





Its better if Taufik stays at no 2....so to beat China Taufik would need to beat Bao Chun Lai and the 2 doubles to win the game....well Kido and Setiawan is the crucial tie and then Luluk-Alven can surely beat the 2nd doubles..

BEating MAS is more complicated cos MAS are strong in doubles.......INA would surely lose the first doubles and singles but the rest are there for the taking....I mean 2nd and 3rd singles definately belongs to INA (if only Candra-TOny can play for INA then we have a very good chance of beating MAS)

Against Denmark might be a bit complicated as well.....INA would take 3rd singles and also one of the doubles....but then they need to steal points from somewhere else


Against Korea I think INA has a good chance of winning the tie.................

I think Team Ina chances will be very strong as they will be playing in their homeground. The Fans there are Crazy.. in a good sense.

I think Team Ina chances will be very strong as they will be playing in their homeground. The Fans there are Crazy.. in a good sense.

Yup, much like ours up till mid-90s. But now the main difference is that the INA fans there are still willing to fill the stadium and give their support, no matter how much the ticket price. :D

Ours have gone a bit soft with all these live telecasts ...... :mad:, you and our cheerleader are probably the few diehards left. Gone were the days of the Stadium Negara atmosphere, and that ferocious swirling drift.

maybe the next time thomas cup is held in malaysia, we will all rally for malaysians to throng the stadium. :D the WC was looking good. though the MO was a little barren. but thomas cup is a nation thing. maybe we would jam packed the stadiums. :D

Especially against Malaysia...INA fans are gonna pack the stadium....for security reason Malaysian fan should travel at their own risk cos the security can't actually gurantee your safety...So I suggest for your safety dun bring in the MAS artibutes...u know is crazy up there

But in Any case COME ON INA!!!!!!

I dun hate Malaysian...I love Hafiz especially cool guy but then this is for your own safety u know INA-MAS relation is not in harmony cos MAS government has insulted INA as a nation too many times...can't blame my countrymen though cos they have dignity if some1 look down on us we expect them to apologise and until MAS governement apologise I think MAS fan should keep it down in Senayan cos I dun want anything to happend to any of you....trust me Jak Mania is gonna be there and they are so anti Malaysian (not the badminton fan but the football fan cos they are the ones filling in Seayan)

Especially against Malaysia...INA fans are gonna pack the stadium....for security reason Malaysian fan should travel at their own risk cos the security can't actually gurantee your safety...So I suggest for your safety dun bring in the MAS artibutes...u know is crazy up there

But in Any case COME ON INA!!!!!!

I dun hate Malaysian...I love Hafiz especially cool guy but then this is for your own safety u know INA-MAS relation is not in harmony cos MAS government has insulted INA as a nation too many times...can't blame my countrymen though cos they have dignity if some1 look down on us we expect them to apologise and until MAS governement apologise I think MAS fan should keep it down in Senayan cos I dun want anything to happend to any of you....trust me Jak Mania is gonna be there and they are so anti Malaysian (not the badminton fan but the football fan cos they are the ones filling in Seayan)

Sensitive remarks have no place in BC Forums... We look down on you? We should apologize to you? Cut the b******t out!

I am sure PBSI will make the venue as safe as possible. If not, BWF would not have awarded the hosting to them...

I would definitely go to the Thomas Cup if it was held in Malaysia!

I would definitely go to the Thomas Cup if it was held in Malaysia!

Absolutely I will watch the Thomas-Uber Cup this time. Hopefully, Indonesia team can take these two Cups back..

Especially against Malaysia...INA fans are gonna pack the stadium....for security reason Malaysian fan should travel at their own risk cos the security can't actually gurantee your safety...So I suggest for your safety dun bring in the MAS artibutes...u know is crazy up there

But in Any case COME ON INA!!!!!!



For obvious reasons I am cutting this quote in half ..... :)


IT IS nice to go to Jakarta to see this again, missed the last one in 2004. Been in 3 major finals trip after World Championships '80 and '89, and Thomas Cup '86. Been a long time ..... even the INA Senayan crowd have mellowed somewhat, but still fiercely patriotic. :D

MAS supporters shouldn't be afraid of INA crowd if u know how to blend in. Even our Hau-ge "blended well" into the MAS crowd last world championships, still able to work his "magic" and Kido/Setiawan managed to come from behind and beat CTF/LWW. Yup, Hau-ge stood his ground and didn't run away like in HK Open, that was the magic ..... :p

Anyway, there are other things besides badminton in Senayan, like shopping ..... :D so if anyone's scared of facing the Senayan Crowd:p, they can face the many Senayan shopping centres close by and watch the matches on TV.

Especially against Malaysia...INA fans are gonna pack the stadium....for security reason Malaysian fan should travel at their own risk cos the security can't actually gurantee your safety...So I suggest for your safety dun bring in the MAS artibutes...u know is crazy up there

But in Any case COME ON INA!!!!!!

I dun hate Malaysian...I love Hafiz especially cool guy but then this is for your own safety u know INA-MAS relation is not in harmony cos MAS government has insulted INA as a nation too many times...can't blame my countrymen though cos they have dignity if some1 look down on us we expect them to apologise and until MAS governement apologise I think MAS fan should keep it down in Senayan cos I dun want anything to happend to any of you....trust me Jak Mania is gonna be there and they are so anti Malaysian (not the badminton fan but the football fan cos they are the ones filling in Seayan)
I must say I disagree with this, for MAS fans we'll welcome u with ur full bright MAS attributes, of course there will be full crowd against ur players and we do hope they will be affected by the crowd, but there will be no harm for fans, it would be all bout fair play and cheering supporters, that's all..not more than that..

I must say I disagree with this, for MAS fans we'll welcome u with ur full bright MAS attributes, of course there will be full crowd against ur players and we do hope they will be affected by the crowd, but there will be no harm for fans, it would be all bout fair play and cheering supporters, that's all..not more than that..

Dude u know the Jak Mania...is not about us is all about thos silly Persija fan...well come at your own risk anyway...cos we all know Persija fan is crazy....they just killed a Sriwijaya FC fan yesterday after the game.....Well MAS ppl come at your own risk...I'd suggest you merge well into the crowd and avoid ppl in orange t-shirts...those are the crazy guys........Avoid orange at all cost

Dude u know the Jak Mania...is not about us is all about thos silly Persija fan...well come at your own risk anyway...cos we all know Persija fan is crazy....they just killed a Sriwijaya FC fan yesterday after the game.....Well MAS ppl come at your own risk...I'd suggest you merge well into the crowd and avoid ppl in orange t-shirts...those are the crazy guys........Avoid orange at all cost

Hmm..will the soccer spectators also watch badminton games in senayan?:confused::D.Agreed..the oranges r wild.But i don't think,n i believe the security of the stadium where Thomas cup would be held,would let them,as a crowd,to go in there,since i believe,they're r well known for their notorious behaviours.Anyway..since the two countries politics r so hot nowadays,i supposed it isn't wrong to be more careful.Hopefully none of us here r affected with it anyway..since it's their higher ppl's business,not ours.All we do here is enjoy this sport,n that shouldn't bring any harm to anyone else.

OMG..Another Thomas cup in jkt.Hopefully indo team can remake all those past triumphs in their home ground again!

Since this is an international competition, not a domestic one, I am certain adequate controls will be put in place to ensure no untoward incident. This is not the first time Indonesia is hosting such an important tournament.

Even during the "confrontation" finals of '67, nobody got killed or injured. Now that one, the atmosphere was almost a war.

Besides, I'm too old to be scared of crowd violence, and the atmosphere and the game are too interesting to miss. Many foreigners from all all over the world will converge. If violence is made to take hold, all will be affected.

Obviously everyone comes at their own risk, even Internet transactions, driving to airport and flying are risks and really, we do not need to explore this till death.

But aren't we straying here, the thread says Team INA chances, not MAS fans coming at their own risk ..... :p

I personally rate INA's chances as better than 2004, based on MD improvements and Sony/Simon giving more credible challenge. At least this time, INA has a slight advantage against Denmark, Korea or Malaysia. Plus China is more vulnerable and exposed.

We should expect a more open tournament this time.

Yes you got the point there but the crazy Persija fan was there in 2004 and during the game against Denmark there is a bottle thrown luckily nothing else happends...for MAS supporter please avoid the orange colour.....they are damn crazy...recently they just got involved in a fight with people from Papua...But anyway I hope INA can win this Thomas Cup...maybe by a bit of luck we can beat MAS and CHN

Thanks for the heads-up, d65up2. I am confident the authorities will be able to contain the situation, and we will see how it goes.

Mr Loh, I hope this does not make you change your mind about coming here, instead we can use your "weapon of choice" to "neutralize" those fans into historical pictures ...... from very long range, of course. :D

Come to think of it, would like to see another INA vs MAS final again, but right now I feel it is uphill for MAS. The team spirit is not quite the same as when the Sidek brothers, Foo Kok Keong and Ong Beng Teong were here ..... Then, the next player took up the challenge when the previous one fell. It was also that spirit that saw INA win the 2000 TC against superior opponents.

for me, MAS n INA is in equal strength... 50-50... CHN is the one both country shud be lookin out for.. :D

Thanks for the heads-up, d65up2. I am confident the authorities will be able to contain the situation, and we will see how it goes.

Mr Loh, I hope this does not make you change your mind about coming here, instead we can use your "weapon of choice" to "neutralize" those fans into historical pictures ...... from very long range, of course. :D

Come to think of it, would like to see another INA vs MAS final again, but right now I feel it is uphill for MAS. The team spirit is not quite the same as when the Sidek brothers, Foo Kok Keong and Ong Beng Teong were here ..... Then, the next player took up the challenge when the previous one fell. It was also that spirit that saw INA win the 2000 TC against superior opponents.

For your own safety, just make sure you're far from the Jak-mania, they always wear orange and they usually sit together on one side of Istora, so make sure you sit on the other side of Istora, pick a nearly neutral side (the ones with no crazy fans with weird attributes). Just stay away from them (thats what I usually do if I want to support non-Indo players) :D...

maybe they should ban people who wear orange to the stadium.......

maybe they should ban people who wear orange to the stadium.......
I bet they will after what happened to football SF tragedy last week

wouldn't they just change the colour of their t shirts?

Well ya...stay away from orange...Persija fan are very anti-Malaysian...like really radical......

When facing CHN, we need to factor in the mental factors. With 3 good MS, and at least 1.5 good MD, CHN players have a bit more room to relax, as they can rely a bit more on their teammates, even if the current match is lost.

However, such things cannot be said to either INA or MAS, as if the so call "sure" MD or 1 of the MS is lost, pretty much it's done deal. None of the teams can offer a quality MS#3 to face CJ, even though himself appears struggle a bit recently. With all the pressure of "win 3 out of 4" out of a team featuring "LD, BCL, Fu/Cai, etc", it's a hard hard task.

Remember how Danes lost to CHN in one of the so-call "closest TC final" in 2004? Dane was quoted to surely take 2 MD, but they lost to Sang/Zheng. Simply because Xia is MS#3, and Dane MD was facing a do or die in the MD#2 match (since PG lost to LD, and KJ lost to BCL earlier). On the other hand, Sang/Zheng has the mental edge as, "even if I lose, Bro Xia going to take everything back..." :rolleyes:

Well ya...stay away from orange...Persija fan are very anti-Malaysian...like really radical......
I don't think they are anti-Malaysia... They are anti-everything against them... :D

I don't think they are anti-Malaysia... They are anti-everything against them... :D


Nope they are anti-Malaysian and chinese actually....but anyway I am going to watch the Thomas Cup in orange shirt so dat I dun get hurt....Well Bravo Indonesia

Nope they are anti-Malaysian and chinese actually....but anyway I am going to watch the Thomas Cup in orange shirt so dat I dun get hurt....Well Bravo Indonesia

Careful, Mr Loh might have his "guns" trained on you ...... :D

With Taufik current run...Taufik is playing 2nd singles....well Sony can't beat LCW...INA need to work miracles...I think INA might have better chance against China..



keep dreaming......

When facing CHN, we need to factor in the mental factors. With 3 good MS, and at least 1.5 good MD, CHN players have a bit more room to relax, as they can rely a bit more on their teammates, even if the current match is lost.

However, such things cannot be said to either INA or MAS, as if the so call "sure" MD or 1 of the MS is lost, pretty much it's done deal. None of the teams can offer a quality MS#3 to face CJ, even though himself appears struggle a bit recently. With all the pressure of "win 3 out of 4" out of a team featuring "LD, BCL, Fu/Cai, etc", it's a hard hard task.

Remember how Danes lost to CHN in one of the so-call "closest TC final" in 2004? Dane was quoted to surely take 2 MD, but they lost to Sang/Zheng. Simply because Xia is MS#3, and Dane MD was facing a do or die in the MD#2 match (since PG lost to LD, and KJ lost to BCL earlier). On the other hand, Sang/Zheng has the mental edge as, "even if I lose, Bro Xia going to take everything back..." :rolleyes:

I'm also think the same.

keep dreaming......
People has a right to dream...pls be nice..!!

I can see somehow INA winning against China but against MAS I think a bit difficult cos MAS ave good doubles...Well against CHN INA would have to steal 1 single while against MAS INA need to steal 1 doubles or maybe Sony miracolously beat LCW

BCL will beat TH for the 3rd times in Ina:D

INA vs CHINA

SONY vs LD 0 - 1
MK/Hendra vs Fu/Cai 1 - 1
TH vs BAO 2 -1
Nova/Chandra vs any pair 3 - 1

INA vs CHINA

SONY vs LD 0 - 1
MK/Hendra vs Fu/Cai 1 - 1
TH vs BAO 2 -1
Nova/Chandra vs any pair 3 - 1

INA vs CHINA

SONY vs LD 1 - 0
MK/Hendra vs Fu/Cai 2 - 0
TH vs BAO 3 - 0

lindan has never 'conquered' senayan :D

INA vs CHINA

SONY vs LD 1 - 0
MK/Hendra vs Fu/Cai 2 - 0
TH vs BAO 3 - 0

lindan has never 'conquered' senayan :D
and i think lin dan will be all out to conquer the place that he never win b4..
senayan...:)
haha

and i think lin dan will be all out to conquer the place that he never win b4..
senayan...:)
haha

and i will be all out to support sony :p :p :D

i think team IND and MAS have an outside chance of winning TC. though based on the recently concluded BAC, team china and korea are the favourites. :)

patriotism must shine through....Go Malaysia!!!

i believe IND fans have high hopes for their team too.

Good luck to all. :)

Nope they are anti-Malaysian and chinese actually....but anyway I am going to watch the Thomas Cup in orange shirt so dat I dun get hurt....Well Bravo Indonesia

please, becareful with what you say if you don't have any real fact , remember persija ever hired a chinese-american football player

i think team IND and MAS have an outside chance of winning TC. though based on the recently concluded BAC, team china and korea are the favourites. :)

patriotism must shine through....Go Malaysia!!!

i believe IND fans have high hopes for their team too.

Good luck to all. :)

you meant INA fans :D, IND is for INDia

you meant INA fans :D, IND is for INDia

oh yeah, INA i mean. i just took the first three letters, sorry. my bad. :D:o

Nope they are anti-Malaysian and chinese actually....but anyway I am going to watch the Thomas Cup in orange shirt so dat I dun get hurt....Well Bravo Indonesia

http://jakmania.org/in (there's a banner which says "say no to racism")

Malaysia Boleh!!

INA vs CHINA

SONY vs LD 0 - 1
MK/Hendra vs Fu/Cai 1 - 1
TH vs BAO 2 -1
Nova/Chandra vs any pair 3 - 1


Somehow, when it comes to face CHN, Bao and the MDs are automatically counted as "out". Let's not forget about how TC2004 went, Bao and the 2nd MD are the ones finished rather strong Danes... :rolleyes:

Nothing against Nova/Chandra, but they don't really have major tournmants coming up to be tested out as a pair. Whether they can be as effective as predicted, hard to tell yet... :o

Somehow, when it comes to face CHN, Bao and the MDs are automatically counted as "out". Let's not forget about how TC2004 went, Bao and the 2nd MD are the ones finished rather strong Danes... :rolleyes:

Nothing against Nova/Chandra, but they don't really have major tournmants coming up to be tested out as a pair. Whether they can be as effective as predicted, hard to tell yet... :o

Nova/Chandra will either make or break if they are going to play in the 2nd doubles. Other teams are not familiar with their playing style yet which can also be an advantage to INA. But personally i think they will give other doubles a run for their money.

Nova/Chandra will either make or break if they are going to play in the 2nd doubles. Other teams are not familiar with their playing style yet which can also be an advantage to INA. But personally i think they will give other doubles a run for their money.

I totally agree. The veterans could be extremely valueable when it's down to experience. The only question mark I had toward them is the team coordination.

I totally agree. The veterans could be extremely valueable when it's down to experience. The only question mark I had toward them is the team coordination.

I'm sure they will be working on it.

Frankly speaking, I do like INA chances to beat CHN. The same goes for Korean team. Having said that, Taufik MUST secure the point for INA. Otherwise, INA can bid sayonara to the TC :crying:

I hope playing at Senora Stadium will give INA an advantage over CHN :rolleyes:

I am more worried if INA meets Malaysia now....

I guess Malaysia is more dangerous than China

LD vs LCW === 0-1 (although chance is 50:50, but LCW is getting stronger now)
MK/Hendra vs KKK/TBH ===0 - 2 (MK/Hendra has never defeated KKK/TBH in their 4 encounters)
TH vs HH 1 -2
Luluk /Alven or Chandra/Nova vs CTF/LWW == 50:50
SImon vs any player ==SImon will win

Perhaps...it will be better if INA fields Luluk/Alven as the first double to face KKK/TBH and Chandra / Nova against the Malaysian uncles....

I am more worried if INA meets Malaysia now....

I guess Malaysia is more dangerous than China

LD vs LCW === 0-1 (although chance is 50:50, but LCW is getting stronger now)

Has LinDan migrated to INA? :eek::p

Has LinDan migrated to INA? :eek::p

he..he..he...he...I meant SDK...:D

he..he..he...he...I meant SDK...:D

Sony vs LCW: (0-1)
MK/Hendra vs KKK/TBH: (1-1)
Taufik vs WCH: (2-1)
Luluk/Alven or Candra/Nova vs CTF/LWW: (3-1)

Game over for Msia :crying::crying::crying:

Frankly speaking, I do like INA chances to beat CHN. The same goes for Korean team. Having said that, Taufik MUST secure the point for INA. Otherwise, INA can bid sayonara to the TC :crying:

I hope playing at Senora Stadium will give INA an advantage over CHN :rolleyes:

Senora Stadium?? Do you mean SENayan istORA? Wow, it's new name as we always calling Istora Senayan and the official name of the venue is Istora (Istana Olah Raga) GBK (Gelora Bung Karno) Senayan.

Of course, playing in front of home crowd is one benefit for INA team. INA Thomas squad has huge obstacle started from quarter against KOR or MAS.

i also think that ina can win over china...but before that,think about quater first...as i think malaysia can bet korea in group...ina will fan korea in quater...

it will be clash of titan...only ina 3rd ms have advantage...other will be 50:50...hard to predict...

I am more worried if INA meets Malaysia now....

I guess Malaysia is more dangerous than China

LD vs LCW === 0-1 (although chance is 50:50, but LCW is getting stronger now)
MK/Hendra vs KKK/TBH ===0 - 2 (MK/Hendra has never defeated KKK/TBH in their 4 encounters)
TH vs HH 1 -2
Luluk /Alven or Chandra/Nova vs CTF/LWW == 50:50
SImon vs any player ==SImon will win

Perhaps...it will be better if INA fields Luluk/Alven as the first double to face KKK/TBH and Chandra / Nova against the Malaysian uncles....

Won't MAS have to field CTF/LWW as 1st MD and KKK/TBH as 2nd MD based on ranking?

SDK vs LCW ==> 0-1
MK/HS vs CTF/LWW ==> 1-1 (60-40 chances)
TH vs WCH ==> 2-1
Luluk/Alvent vs KKK/TBH ==> 2-2
Simon vs HH or LTS --> 3-2 (60-40 chances again)

On paper INA has advantages on the last 2 singles and pretty even in the MD against MAS. While against China, INA is pretty much at disadvantage in all 3 MS (TH vs Bao probably 45-55) and slight advantage on MD. I still think China is harder to beat than MAS.

..(as i mentioned before, in other threads)...for the INA Thomas Cup squad: no matter if their MDs get both pts, it all comes down to the Singles players, esp. playing against the top teams (KOR, MAS & CHN)...

SDK - PSH === 0 - 1 (SDK has never defeated PSH in their 4 encounters) However, SDK has been improving and a chance to defeat him...as in their last encounter Sony lost a tight rubber set with the last set being 21-19...
Deep down 50:50

MK/Hendra - 1st Pair (I have difficulty in remembering Korean names) - 1-1
This is purely 50:50...as the match will be in JKT...so MK/Hendra will have a slight advantage of winning the match

TH vs LHI ==> both have been declining...before Taufik had a serious injury....LHI had always difficulty in defeating TH. However, during the period in which TH was in the process of recovery, LHI always defeated TH. However, since LHI sustained injury last year, he had missed a lot of SS, resulting in his poor performance. However, as time went on, LHI's performance has been improving again but not as good as before he sustained injury. In my opinion, TH's condition is similar to LHI's condition.
On normal condition, TH will be able to handle LHI. (2 -1)

Luluk/Alven or Chandra/Nova vs 2nd pair ==> I personally would prefer Chandra/Nova to Luluk/Alven ....(3 - 1)

Simon vs SSM ==? SImon will win

SDK - PSH === 0 - 1 (SDK has never defeated PSH in their 4 encounters) However, SDK has been improving and a chance to defeat him...as in their last encounter Sony lost a tight rubber set with the last set being 21-19...
Deep down 50:50

MK/Hendra - 1st Pair (I have difficulty in remembering Korean names) - 1-1
This is purely 50:50...as the match will be in JKT...so MK/Hendra will have a slight advantage of winning the match

TH vs LHI ==> both have been declining...before Taufik had a serious injury....LHI had always difficulty in defeating TH. However, during the period in which TH was in the process of recovery, LHI always defeated TH. However, since LHI sustained injury last year, he had missed a lot of SS, resulting in his poor performance. However, as time went on, LHI's performance has been improving again but not as good as before he sustained injury. In my opinion, TH's condition is similar to LHI's condition.
On normal condition, TH will be able to handle LHI. (2 -1)

Luluk/Alven or Chandra/Nova vs 2nd pair ==> I personally would prefer Chandra/Nova to Luluk/Alven ....(3 - 1)

Simon vs SSM ==? SImon will win


I would put it more like:

PSH beat SDK
JJJ/LYD beat MK/HS (jung and lee too good at the moment)
Taufik beat Hyun Il
LJJ/HJM beat Luluk/Alvent

I would put it more like:

PSH beat SDK
JJJ/LYD beat MK/HS (jung and lee too good at the moment)
Taufik beat Hyun Il
LJJ/HJM beat Luluk/Alvent

wanna bet with m ? :D ina will win 3-0 if they meet korea

SDK vs PSH (50:50, sony will win with homecrowd's support)
MK/HS vs JJJ/LYD(50:50, the same as above)
Taufik beat Hyun Il
chandra/nova vs LJJ/HJM (55:45)

hmm...but korean not malaysian...pressure are nothing to them...and kido emotional condition also should be in count to...if kido cant recovery from his family bad new...luluk-alvent will be up to md1...and candra-nova will be md2...or in other way...so...if like this...how???

.... Chandra / Nova against the Malaysian uncles....

Haha. Uncles.. That's a funny term. Then Chandra/Nova vs Malaysian Uncles should be INA Uncles vs Malaysian Uncles. And then the Malaysian Uncles plays Demark. It should be Malaysian Uncles vs Dane Grandpa. :D:D

INA fans were probably over-estimated or rather highly optimism with MK/HS.
Lets looks at their perfomance/results in INA SS 2007 :
The reigning WC doesn't have impressive record in their homeground..
They were well beaten in 2 straight sets by KKK/TBH in QF...
JR/HAG lost to MK/HS in a 3 games thriller while Luvent easily beaten by the MAS uncles in QF

Taufik failed to create history by a "shock" defeat over Bao CL .
Sony DK fare better as he only lost to teamates TH in QF. Simon S & Tommy S did gave a better fight against more fancy opponents in LCW & PG respectively before bowing out in 3 sets.
Anyway, that was happened almost a year ago. We can't use the above perfomance to judge/predict how would they achieve in TC this coming MAY and I do believe SS is more on individual glory while in TCUC, the nation's pride will be at stake.

INA fans were probably over-estimated or rather highly optimism with MK/HS.
Lets looks at their perfomance/results in INA SS 2007 :
The reigning WC doesn't have impressive record in their homeground..
They were well beaten in 2 straight sets by KKK/TBH in QF...
JR/HAG lost to MK/HS in a 3 games thriller while Luvent easily beaten by the MAS uncles in QF

Taufik failed to create history by a "shock" defeat over Bao CL .
Sony DK fare better as he only lost to teamates TH in QF. Simon S & Tommy S did gave a better fight against more fancy opponents in LCW & PG respectively before bowing out in 3 sets.
Anyway, that was happened almost a year ago. We can't use the above perfomance to judge/predict how would they achieve in TC this coming MAY and I do believe SS is more on individual glory while in TCUC, the nation's pride will be at stake.

an individual event is different with team event :D ( its athmosphere,pressure,etc) .. we are not over-estimated .. we believe
we can do it.. winning the thomas cup 2008

an individual event is different with team event :D ( its athmosphere,pressure,etc) .. we are not over-estimated .. we believe
we can do it.. winning the thomas cup 2008
Ditto!! Long LIVE INDONESIA!!!
hmm..I think CHN won't get TC cup this time..there are many countries including MAS, DEN, KOR more than ready to send them home at the early round before Final to face host team INA..hohohoho :D:D:D:D
LONG LIVE INDONESIA!!!

an individual event is different with team event :D ( its athmosphere,pressure,etc) .. we are not over-estimated .. we believe
we can do it.. winning the thomas cup 2008

I certainly believe that INA has the depth to topple the Great Wall :eek: But... Msia Boleh...!!! :D:p

luluk/alvent will not in the INA list. The are listing the hendra and Gunawan/Joko Riyadi instead.

there are many countries including MAS, DEN, KOR more than ready to send them home at the early round before Final to face host team INA..

Sure... On the other side, CHN has even better chance to let most of the others packing for good, too :p

CHN in badminton world is like the earlier days of "Beat LA" for NBA... :D

Sure... On the other side, CHN has even better chance to let most of the others packing for good, too :p

CHN in badminton world is like the earlier days of "Beat LA" for NBA... :D
hahaha :D:D..and INA this time will be "Detroit Pistons in 2004"!! screw LA out 4-1 in the NBA final ! and I'm sure INA will pack CHN out this time just like 2004 NBA final..:cool::D

Sure... On the other side, CHN has even better chance to let most of the others packing for good, too :p

CHN in badminton world is like the earlier days of "Beat LA" for NBA... :D
..uhm, they're still chanting that, even until now..."Beat L.A., Beat L.A."..;)
But unlike CHN's domination, which they're still dominating til now, the Lakers have just gotten back as a title contender...;)

an individual event is different with team event :D ( its athmosphere,pressure,etc) .. we are not over-estimated .. we believe
we can do it.. winning the thomas cup 2008

yup...in 4 MATA bareng TUKUL (in Trans7) Special Talk Show with INA TC and UC team yesterday....the real Taufik Hidayat said; "Thomas Cup will be held in Jakarta, so let we grab and keep the trophy for our nation..."....woww...Taufik siap TEMPURRRRRRRRRRR....:eek::eek::eek::eek:

yup...in 4 MATA bareng TUKUL (in Trans7) Special Talk Show with INA TC and UC team yesterday....the real Taufik Hidayat said; "Thomas Cup will be held in Jakarta, so let we grab and keep the trophy for our nation..."....woww...Taufik siap TEMPURRRRRRRRRRR....:eek::eek::eek::eek:
It's good to see him being optyimistic.
Maybe he's trying to encourage his fellow INA shuttlers or even us, Indonesians.

But for me, he should focus in improving his stamina. If INA meets CHN, he'll be promptedf to go against Bao CL. And I can't remember the last time he could beat Bao. We have Jason Kurfurst now, and he should take advantage from this.

taufik is gonaa ROCK THE WHLE INDONESIA AND THE WHOLE WORLD..!
BUT BEWARE..LIN DAN AND LEE CHONG WEI WILL ALSO WILL ROCK THE WHOLE STADIUM..!HAHA:)