What happend between Lin Dan and Li Mao?

[ThinkRiver]

I didn't watch the game this afternoon, but I saw this news from website...

Li Mao is the coach of Korea's team.

I think it should be the business between Lin Dan and the ump, why did Li Mao go to wrangle with Lin Dan?

Can a coach be allowed to say something to opponent player in the this sort of competetion?

Or is there any special reason for Li Mao to do that?

thx

[llpjlau]

apparently lin dan threw his racket in li mao's direction.

[extremenanopowe]

It brings back the LCW days of leg breaking... history is there...

[zqloy]

apparently lin dan threw his racket in li mao's direction.

Badzine's article says so, but how come the racket is still in LD's hand in some of the pics? I felt it quite strange.

[shanisen3200]

apparently lin dan threw his racket in li mao's direction.

:mad:hey Dan what are you doing?

[extremenanopowe]

Any possibility that he is holding the ultimate stick to me racket with yoyo effects?:D

Badzine's article says so, but how come the racket is still in LD's hand in some of the pics? I felt it quite strange.

[alfa-2]

Any possibility that he is holding the ultimate stick to me racket with yoyo effects?:D

hahahhaha, great imagination. I wonder what would actually happen if LYB was there too. surely better than Smackdown. :D:D:D:D:D I would buy live ticket for that. The battle of the titans (coach version).:p:p:p

[chickenlittle]

I think LD argued with the umpire and even went over to hyun ill and tell him tht the call is for sure out....Li Mao grew agitated and went over tellin LD off...there were harsh words exchange i guess...the chinese coaches were also seen blocking li mao off....Later on, li mao continued lamenting on LD at the sideline...thts when LD couldnt take it and it seems that he wanted to have a shot at LMao with his racquet...damn was it exciting...IMO, i think that LMao stepped a lil over the border...couldnt blame LD though, it was really a big point...i think its part and parcel of the game...same goes to the leg breaking history back then...mb lmao wanted to affect LD, making him lose attention...part of the mind game...lol

haha, what a great match it was!...who would have knew huh after watching the 1st game...

[extremenanopowe]

it is definitely the leg breaking one. who knows LCW would have won if LYB shuts up.

[tommy_bun]

After this incident,maybe LD will be another Taufik and miss korea SS:)

[vching]

my blog post on this incident:

The Badminton Blog - A Disgrace To Badminton (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/disgrace-to-badminton.html)

[ThinkRiver]

hahahhaha, great imagination. I wonder what would actually happen if LYB was there too. surely better than Smackdown. :D:D:D:D:D I would buy live ticket for that. The battle of the titans (coach version).:p:p:p

hahaha:D:D:D,yeah, that will be amazing....


I think LD argued with the umpire and even went over to hyun ill and tell him tht the call is for sure out
I think LD shouldn't go to tell hyun too.

some news


It is worth mentioning that, after the TV camera slow intervals, it seems that this is indeed the ball out of bounds, the magistrate fined a misjudgment

Some body said that because LD throw his racket to LiMao's direction, but looking at this pic, Lin Dan was holding his racket when he argued to Li Mao...Where can I watch some video for that game?

BTW: Lin Dan need control his emotion in the competetion.
http://photocdn.sohu.com/20080127/Img254909898.jpg

[samuel882]

Looks like LD is trying to hit Li Mao's Head with his rackets !

[eaglehelang]

Everyone, although Badzine & one BCer at stadium reported LD threw his racket, on tv didnt seem so.<shrug>

Elderplayer has uploaded last 9 min of that game. This scene was at 3 min.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=780649&postcount=14

On tv, it seemed like the coaches almost got into fist fights too.

And Victor, you might want to watch it 1st ....

[funnymei89]

omg...i missed that part!!!!

[extremenanopowe]

LCW and Taufik will be watching closely and will try to better that next time. I believe they'll say... nah... he can't be better than me.... I'll show him how to whack a coach... heheh..

[ThinkRiver]

Everyone, although Badzine & one BCer at stadium reported LD threw his racket, on tv didnt seem so.<shrug>

Elderplayer has uploaded last 9 min of that game. This scene was at 3 min.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=780649&postcount=14

On tv, it seemed like the coaches almost got into fist fights too.

And Victor, you might want to watch it 1st ....

Any body can provide some online video website for that classic moment?

[alfa-2]

Looks like LD is trying to hit Li Mao's Head with his rackets !

wont help, cos Li Mao has Shaolin Steel Head Kung Fu.............:D:D:D

[alfa-2]

LCW and Taufik will be watching closely and will try to better that next time. I believe they'll say... nah... he can't be better than me.... I'll show him how to whack a coach... heheh..

Now that is something................:D:D:D:D

[alfa-2]

load them into youtube pls........

[vching]

Everyone, although Badzine & one BCer at stadium reported LD threw his racket, on tv didnt seem so.<shrug>

Elderplayer has uploaded last 9 min of that game. This scene was at 3 min.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=780649&postcount=14

On tv, it seemed like the coaches almost got into fist fights too.

And Victor, you might want to watch it 1st ....

Of course I watched the video before making the blog post. Because many credible sources are saying that Lin Dan did indeed throw the racquet, that is why i included that in the post.

[eaglehelang]

Of course I watched the video before making the blog post. Because many credible sources are saying that Lin Dan did indeed throw the racquet, that is why i included that in the post.

ok, sori...I watched it a couple more times. Tournament referee gave LD back his racket, then asked LD to continue

In the other thread, those watching at stadium said LD did throw his racket in Li Mao's direction, the camera panned somewhere else at that time. by the time the camera panned back to LD, the scene went to coaches pushing each other part.

LD & Li Mao were still pissed off at each other at the end of it.

[lhchia]

sure sure..all is mind game...this time win by li mao...great coach

[huangkwokhau]

ok, sori...I watched it a couple more times. Tournament referee gave LD back his racket, then asked LD to continue

In the other thread, those watching at stadium said LD did throw his racket in Li Mao's direction, the camera panned somewhere else at that time. by the time the camera panned back to LD, the scene went to coaches pushing each other part.

LD & Li Mao were still pissed off at each other at the end of it.
In MO 2008, I did not see any Chinese players say hello to Li Mao.....I saw Zhang Ning and Lu Lan walked and past Li Mao, those 2 did not even look at Li Mao.....I can guess that there is no relationship between Li Mao and Chinese Team...I may be wrong but I had seen that there was no interaction between them.........Lets keep Peace for them all...Olympics is coming up...

[ants]

China might Ban Li Mao from going in.. ehhehe..

[badMania]

While this whole incident was happening before our eyes, Taufik Hidayat is probably smiling as he was spared of the torment :D

Meanwhile, Lee Chong Wei will probably be thinking also "Thanks God, its not me facing all those unfair linecalls", as he sipped his Ginseng tea at home, enjoying the warm weather and recovering from his illness :rolleyes:

[alfa-2]

While this whole incident was happening before our eyes, Taufik Hidayat is probably smiling as he was spared of the torment :D

Meanwhile, Lee Chong Wei will probably be thinking also "Thanks God, its not me facing all those unfair linecalls", as he sipped his Ginseng tea at home, enjoying the warm weather and recovering from his illness :rolleyes:

or he might be doing some shopping with choo choo for the coming chinese new year.............:D:D:D:D:D LCW: the fever saved me............:p:p:p

[badMania]

or he might be doing some shopping with choo choo for the coming chinese new year.............:D:D:D:D:D LCW: the fever saved me............:p:p:p

Indeed....a good decision IMHO to forfeit the match when he was not feeling well :o Lin Dan also didn't win (which will be the best thing to Lee Chong Wei and Taufik Hidayat). As for Lee Hyun Il's victory, ok....hats off to him for going all the way to the Finals in the past fortnight.

[volcom]

or he might be doing some shopping with choo choo for the coming chinese new year.............:D:D:D:D:D LCW: the fever saved me............:p:p:p

HAHA :D agreed.... At least he didn't have to go through the traumatisingly horrendous calls like in China Open... save him of more heartbreaking problems...

[Birdwood]

LD could have walked off the court and not finish the match to protest, and that would really something to the Korean.

[dannyang]

great LD, you are my hero.

i understand how you feel. i support the way you protest.

you are a real man.

[Temasek Green]

wont help, cos Li Mao has Shaolin Steel Head Kung Fu.............:D:D:D

Ya, even a tennis racket made of kevlar will break on his steel head.

[THEbaschti]

I watched the video and I didn't think the whole scene was that dramatic. LD kinda overreacted sure, but I understand him and it's not like he sweared at LHI like he stated after the match, and IMO it didn't look like he was about to hit anyones head with his racket...hot tempered man, yellow card is correct and that's it, not such a big deal.
The whole bad line judging however is a different story...

[bic33]

tsktsk.... korean open's line judging was terrible! how the heck would 5 overturning of calls by the umpire happen!?? i've never seen a game in which the umpire overturned atmost 4 calls.... :(

[Simp84]

u guys should read badzine link again and stop speculating

http://www.badzine.info/content/view/820/2/

from what I understand is.. as soon as the bad line was called.. LD went berserk... and immediately after the umpire announced the point to LHI, LD threw his racket towards LiMao who was approaching the scene to clarify things I guess. The racket flew passed in front of the umpire, and if you have downloaded the 9min clip provided by elderplayer.. notice @ 3:18, the umpire looked shocked while glancing at the flying racket towards LiMao..

And those pictures you guys saw were right after LD retrieved his racket and still persist to beat up LiMao..
I think this is a very severe action, violence in sport are punishable in many other sports.. for such action I think LD deserve to get ban from participating in next upcoming tournament or get charge with a hefty fine

[Han]

u guys should read badzine link again and stop speculating

http://www.badzine.info/content/view/820/2/

from what I understand is.. as soon as the bad line was called.. LD went berserk... and immediately after the umpire announced the point to LHI, LD threw his racket towards LiMao who was approaching the scene to clarify things I guess. The racket flew passed in front of the umpire, and if you have downloaded the 9min clip provided by elderplayer.. notice @ 3:18, the umpire looked shocked while glancing at the flying racket towards LiMao..

And those pictures you guys saw were right after LD retrieved his racket and still persist to beat up LiMao..
I think this is a very severe action, violence in sport are punishable in many other sports.. for such action I think LD deserve to get ban from participating in next upcoming tournament or get charge with a hefty fine

The question is, is WBF dare to ban Lin Dan as the Chinese may retaliate by not sending any player to the tournament that he is banned. This sport need super star to survive and Lin is one of them.
My opinion is if in fact Lin Dan is the one who started the incident then ban him for one SS even if the Chinese threaten to boycott and fine the Korean organizer for such disgraceful line judging.
Is not going to be easy and may backfire for this sport, ... Boy, what a mess!

[robin7]

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[Simp84]

The question is, is WBF dare to ban Lin Dan as the Chinese may retaliate by not sending any player to the tournament that he is banned. This sport need super star to survive and Lin is one of them.
My opinion is if in fact Lin Dan is the one who started the incident then ban him for one SS even if the Chinese threaten to boycott and fine the Korean organizer for such disgraceful line judging.
Is not going to be easy and may backfire for this sport, ... Boy, what a mess!
well you see... the Chinese can't boycott SS, as Olympic approaches they cant afford to do such thing..
It doesn't matter if the Chinese do not participate.. they are not the one that made badminton afterall, their dominance is beginning to fade away already.

Anyway, it is that LD started violence 1st, I mean throwing racket at your opponent? Do you know how severe that is? Imagine you playing a game and someone threw a racket at you how would you feel?
Anyway Korea is renowned for their notorious bad line call, so what? They are no different from China and Indonesias SS.. this is BWf problem, this is something they have to sort it out themself...

However as a player, when it comes to professionalism, violence should be avoided at all cost! (Zidane's head butt didn't do him any good u know.. lol)

[cooler]

apparently lin dan threw his racket in li mao's direction.
lucky li mao, i wish LD threw his racket at my direction(so i can catch it):p

[kwun]

i think we need some clarifications here.

i watched the video and i noticed that despite badzine saying that LD threw a racket at Li Mao, it is not true. Lin Dan did not throw a racket at Li Mao. the reason i say that is that after all the scuffling, Lin Dan was still holding his racket on his hand. he might have smashed it on the ground later on, but that's after the incident.

you can check out the video here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?azzypk0tdkn

[ants]

As i've mentioned on the other post.. Lindan smash his racket after the game when he lost. He did not throw the racket to LiMao.

[cooler]

Indeed....a good decision IMHO to forfeit the match when he was not feeling well :o Lin Dan also didn't win (which will be the best thing to Lee Chong Wei and Taufik Hidayat). As for Lee Hyun Il's victory, ok....hats off to him for going all the way to the Finals in the past fortnight.i bet u that lcw had sensed some bad calls on game 1&2, plus not feeling well, why go on....

2008 KO
taufik withdraw
lcw retired
LD plays on to bitter end.

[cooler]

As i've mentioned on the other post.. Lindan smash his racket after the game when he lost. He did not throw the racket to LiMao.


but vching said he watched the video BUT his 'credible sources' said LD did threw his racket at li mao. I guess he doesnt trust his eyes http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=780838&postcount=21

[skunklover]

yea...i dont think LD actually threw the racket at anyone....
it was still in his hands....at the end of said scuffle....
plus the pic of the smashed racket does not look like it was thrown at anyone...it wouldnt break at the handle and the head, just from throwing it towarsds someone...he must have smashed it at the ground...

[stork]

i think we need some clarifications here.

i watched the video and i noticed that despite badzine saying that LD threw a racket at Li Mao, it is not true. Lin Dan did not throw a racket at Li Mao. the reason i say that is that after all the scuffling, Lin Dan was still holding his racket on his hand. he might have smashed it on the ground later on, but that's after the incident.

you can check out the video here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?azzypk0tdkn

I saw a photo of a chinese official sitting behind LiMao and giving the racquet back to LD. That could also be the reason why LD still holds the racquet in the video you mentioned...

[cooler]

I watched the video and I didn't think the whole scene was that dramatic. LD kinda overreacted sure, but I understand him and it's not like he sweared at LHI like he stated after the match, and IMO it didn't look like he was about to hit anyones head with his racket...hot tempered man, yellow card is correct and that's it, not such a big deal.
The whole bad line judging however is a different story...

well, i think a yellow card should be levied against the korea side too.
Umpire already signaled that he isnt reversing that point, and the point goes to LHI. Li Mao should have remained seated and keep quiet. Instead he rose up his seat and provoking the matter.

[Wong8Egg]

Here we go again, lot of bias from the Malaysian fans, points were made simply out of your hatred toward the Chinese team, LYB and LD's dominant.
Can't we even keep one single thread of LD away from LYB and LCW's name? They are not even present at the scene!!! :mad: Bad line calls are bad for the sport at a whole regardless if you think Korea did a sweet revenge on China officials or not, but the player is innocents.

Take a look at the picture as a whole, this is not the first bad calls happened during the game, LD has been emotionally affected by the many bad calls, overruled or not and happen that the last one where the fight begin happened at the most crucial point of the rubber game, and guess what, Li Mao provoked him further more (cheap tactics??)

I don't agree with LD's action,but I found it understandable. LD shouldn't lose his temper but I think Li Mao and the Korean officials share EQUAL RESPONSIBILITY for provocation and all the dispute calls. :mad:

[Konnichiwa]

i think we need some clarifications here.

i watched the video and i noticed that despite badzine saying that LD threw a racket at Li Mao, it is not true. Lin Dan did not throw a racket at Li Mao. the reason i say that is that after all the scuffling, Lin Dan was still holding his racket on his hand. he might have smashed it on the ground later on, but that's after the incident.

you can check out the video here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?azzypk0tdkn


no kwun he did throw the racket at li mao......check the vid again.... watch the other korean coaches reaction.....one of the judges or assistant tournament guys actually hands over the racket back to lin dan after he threw it.....so in fact he did throw it but i dont think he meant to throw it at li mao...or maybe he did who knows for sure

[cooler]

The question is, is WBF dare to ban Lin Dan as the Chinese may retaliate by not sending any player to the tournament that he is banned. This sport need super star to survive and Lin is one of them.
My opinion is if in fact Lin Dan is the one who started the incident then ban him for one SS even if the Chinese threaten to boycott and fine the Korean organizer for such disgraceful line judging.
Is not going to be easy and may backfire for this sport, ... Boy, what a mess!

first i would blame the WBF. These incidents will keep on repeating itself because wbf is dragging their feet and not implementing any credible line verification system. These conflicts aren't new. Badminton is becoming a faster game, and the stakes are becoming higher. This was only for 10 to 25k for top prize. Imagine if the prizes were 500k to 1000k. We all wanted badminton to be a mainstream sport with great sponsorship and great prizes but if all your efforts and potential prizes are determined by some hokey and biased linesmen or a blind umpire ( the french open incident), and video replay is invalid, badminton as it is now can not be a mainstream sport. No big sponsors would dough money out if outcomes are constantly controversial.

PS but it does generate more posts in bf hehehe (j/k kwun);):D

[ye333]

Kwun you should watch the video again. Right after the shot in which Li Mao rose from his seat, the camera turned back to LD walking around, and then you clearly see some ppl handed a racket to LD.

Of course this cannot prove LD threw a racket at Li Mao. What this can prove is that LD's original racket for some reason left his hand.


i think we need some clarifications here.

i watched the video and i noticed that despite badzine saying that LD threw a racket at Li Mao, it is not true. Lin Dan did not throw a racket at Li Mao. the reason i say that is that after all the scuffling, Lin Dan was still holding his racket on his hand. he might have smashed it on the ground later on, but that's after the incident.

you can check out the video here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?azzypk0tdkn

[Konnichiwa]

first i would blame the WBF. These incidents will keep on repeating itself because wbf is dragging their feet and not implementing any credible line verification system. These conflicts aren't new. Badminton is becoming a faster game, and the stakes are becoming higher. This was only for 10 to 25k for top prize. Imagine if the prizes were 500k to 1000k. We all wanted badminton to be a mainstream sport with great sponsorship and great prizes but if all your efforts and potential prizes are determined by some hokey and biased linesmen or a blind umpire ( the french open incident), and video replay is invalid, badminton as it is now can not be a mainstream sport. No big sponsors would dough money out if outcomes are constantly controversial.

PS but it does generate more posts in bf hehehe (j/k kwun);):D

hmm well said...these players are fighting for there money and for there countries respectively..... i can see why lin dan was so angry.....we all lose our tempers sometimes....and will the malaysian forummers stop posting things about lcw and LYB breaking his legs and all of that talk.....it has nothing to do with this and its getting annoying

[ye333]

How many bad calls are there? From what I read, there are several bad calls before this one but they are all overruled by the empire. :confused:

So, exactly how many bad calls (which indeed took points from LD) are there during the whole match?


Here we go again, lot of bias from the Malaysian fans, points were made simply out of your hatred toward the Chinese team, LYB and LD's dominant.
Can't we even keep one single thread of LD away from LYB and LCW's name? They are not even present at the scene!!! :mad: Bad line calls are bad for the sport at a whole regardless if you think Korea did a sweet revenge on China officials or not, but the player is innocents.

Take a look at the picture as a whole, this is not the first bad calls happened during the game, LD has been emotionally affected by the many bad calls, overruled or not and happen that the last one where the fight begin happened at the most crucial point of the rubber game, and guess what, Li Mao provoked him further more (cheap tactics??)

I don't agree with LD's action,but I found it understandable. LD shouldn't lose his temper but I think Li Mao and the Korean officials share EQUAL RESPONSIBILITY for provocation and all the dispute calls. :mad:

[stork]

Wong8Egg, LiMao is the best Coach China had, and he had to go, like others (including players), because they knew of some financial irregularity caused by LYB. In short, this is an issue between former partners LYB and LM (and LD of course is influenced by LYB).

Like I said before, I saw photos of a chinese official behind LiMao giving LinDan his racquet back and I´m not malaysian or in any way biased.

[cooler]

Kwun you should watch the video again. Right after the shot in which Li Mao rose from his seat, the camera turned back to LD walking around, and then you clearly see some ppl handed a racket to LD.

Of course this cannot prove LD threw a racket at Li Mao. What this can prove is that LD's original racket for some reason left his hand.LD likely (just my opinion, have not seen the entire video) just threw his racket on the ground and broke it, and not at li mao. Slamming rackets on the floor is a sport invented by taufik if u don't know;)

[ye333]

Can you provide a link? Is there any proof that this "chinese official" was seated behind Li Mao? If there is such proof, then I think the dispute can basically be settled.


Wong8Egg, LiMao is the best Coach China had, and he had to go, like others (including players), because they knew of some financial irregularity caused by LYB. In short, this is an issue between former partners LYB and LM (and LD of course is influenced by LYB).

Like I sad before, I saw photos of a chinese official behind LiMao giving LinDan his racquet back and I´m not malaysian or in any way biased.

[kwun]

Kwun you should watch the video again. Right after the shot in which Li Mao rose from his seat, the camera turned back to LD walking around, and then you clearly see some ppl handed a racket to LD.

Of course this cannot prove LD threw a racket at Li Mao. What this can prove is that LD's original racket for some reason left his hand.

yes yes yes. you're correct! i reviewed the video a few times. i did noticed that someone handed LD back his racket, and before that, both his hands were empty.

i stand corrected.

i do agree that it only means the racket left LD's hand, but not conclusive whether he intended the racket to be thrown at Li Mao. it is entirely possible that he threw it with frustration and anger. i don't see any reason why he would throw it at Li Mao, wouldn't it make more sense to throw it at the line judge? ;)

[ye333]

Well, if Stork is right (the official who hand a racket to LD was seating behind Li Mao), then your theory falls apart. :rolleyes:


LD likely (just my opinion, have not seen the entire video) just threw his racket on the ground and broke it, and not at li mao. Slamming rackets on the floor is a sport invented by taufik if u don't know;)

[cooler]

Well, if Stork is right (the official who hand a racket to LD was seating behind Li Mao), then your theory falls apart. :rolleyes:
it's not a theory, just an opinion (see my above disclaimer):p

there are many people near li mao, it would be dumb to throw a racket at li mao because chances are high of hitting someone else. That would be like attacking a crowd of people.

[kwun]

LD likely (just my opinion, have not seen the entire video) just threw his racket on the ground and broke it, and not at li mao. Slamming rackets on the floor is a sport invented by taufik if u don't know;)

no. that's not true.

the racket after all the scuffle is intact and in one piece. LD smashed it after the end of the whole match. (after he lost)

i would suggest viewing the video. ;)

[kungfukid]

i think we need some clarifications here.

i watched the video and i noticed that despite badzine saying that LD threw a racket at Li Mao, it is not true. Lin Dan did not throw a racket at Li Mao. the reason i say that is that after all the scuffling, Lin Dan was still holding his racket on his hand. he might have smashed it on the ground later on, but that's after the incident.

you can check out the video here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?azzypk0tdkn

Sorry Kwun, i'm afraid u r wrong on this point.
At 3m43s, u can see an officer handling a racket to LD. I'm convinced he did not hav a racket until this time.
However this does not mean that he threw the racket towards Li Mao, it's possible that he jes smashed it hard on the floor.

But, one more detail that i observed in the video is that LD did cross over to LHY's side (comentator affirms this in the video) during the dispute. IMO, he smashed his racket at this moment n hence cos Li Mao to erupt into anger.

So for those who said that it's Li Mao who started the fight, think twice....

[bananakid]

A 40+ old bald man vs a 25 years old strong muscular young man... hmmm... and the intention behind the guy giving the racket back to Lin Dan, I wonder if he is evil or not? Or was he just curious about what would happen when an Armortec 700 yonex being swing at a professional smashing speed on a human being's head(a bald head).:p

Li Mao isn't the smartest guy in this equation... just WHAT IF Lin Dan did lose his temper and smack him... it wouldn't be pretty.:eek:

[Han]

yes yes yes. you're correct! i reviewed the video a few times. i did noticed that someone handed LD back his racket, and before that, both his hands were empty.

i stand corrected.

i do agree that it only means the racket left LD's hand, but not conclusive whether he intended the racket to be thrown at Li Mao. it is entirely possible that he threw it with frustration and anger. i don't see any reason why he would throw it at Li Mao, wouldn't it make more sense to throw it at the line judge? ;)

Obviously Li Mao is at fault for creating so many top notch players outside China capable of toppling the Chinese domination view from the Chinese side. If the video show Li Dan in fact throwing the racket at Li Mao direction then it is what it is, no need to argue and try to defend Lin dan. I was critical of Chong Wei blaming Yap Kim Hock when he lost the match during World Championship, ... Bottom line, don't be a spoil brat just because thing didn't go your way.

[OneToughBirdie]

well you see... the Chinese can't boycott SS, as Olympic approaches they cant afford to do such thing..
It doesn't matter if the Chinese do not participate.. they are not the one that made badminton afterall, their dominance is beginning to fade away already.
CHN can boycott one but not all SS, that I agree. CHN needs ranking points to qualify 3 players in top 4 for OLY08. As it doesn't matter if CHN do not participate, that I disagree, cos' baddy needs CHN and her stars.
Do you notice when LD plays, spectators would gather in his court long before his match starts, without LD, other courts are empty and you can pick your seats and go for a snooze. That is star attraction and I saw it in WC05.

As for CHN dominance fading, I would say the rest of the world is fading instead. Look what happens when LCW, TH and PG retires, CHN dominance is even more threatening unless you-can-name-me-some-up-and-coming players from the rest of the world to replace this trio in the next 2 years???

Anyway, it is that LD started violence 1st, I mean throwing racket at your opponent? Do you know how severe that is? Imagine you playing a game and someone threw a racket at you how would you feel? First LD shows us he is a superstar but only human. I still could not understand how he slaughtered LHI 21-4 and lost the match. With the game so close at duece, it shows the effect of bad line call even to the world best player. Funny there is no replay of the point, wonder why? Line call in this case favours LHI, of course he plays dumb, I would. The same goes for BCL in CO07, and ditto for LD, LCW and TH if those calls favour them. Just install the damn Hawkeye, BWF just too cheap.
As for what if someone threw a racket at me, you would not want to know what I would do...a true case, someone once smashed a bird into the net and swear in a badminton game, out of anger for a point lost, I dare him to repeat it in front of everyone present.
Anyway Korea is renowned for their notorious bad line call, so what? They are no different from China and Indonesias SS.. this is BWf problem, this is something they have to sort it out themself... Line calls, game fixing, etc...all we want to see is a fair and clean game, and the best wins, right?
However as a player, when it comes to professionalism, violence should be avoided at all cost! (Zidane's head butt didn't do him any good u know.. lol) Do you know words are cruel and provoke many fights. Thats is why you can see many people claim they do not like open confrontation, do not like arguments, etc and yet would write articles hiding safely behind a computer screen knowing they can get away, and what would you do if you meet up with this hyprocrite in a baddy court, I know what I would do, bet on it...hehehe!!
I would call Zidane an idiot if he headbutt for no reason. Sure Zidane's headbutt incidence was a wrong move and it hurts his team. That is because soccer federation wielded the big stick. Just like you can get banned from this forum for posts that are not warranted.

[stork]

yes yes yes. you're correct! i reviewed the video a few times. i did noticed that someone handed LD back his racket, and before that, both his hands were empty.

i stand corrected.

i do agree that it only means the racket left LD's hand, but not conclusive whether he intended the racket to be thrown at Li Mao. it is entirely possible that he threw it with frustration and anger. i don't see any reason why he would throw it at Li Mao, wouldn't it make more sense to throw it at the line judge? ;)

I posted the reason in post 53.

[stork]

Can you provide a link? Is there any proof that this "chinese official" was seated behind Li Mao? If there is such proof, then I think the dispute can basically be settled.

ja, try to find it again...

[kungfukid]

What i would like to know it's that will Lin Dan really hit Li Mao with his racket if noone is holding him??

[cooler]

the technical question now is, at what angle of a projectile (AT700) would constitute a intention to hurt the intented target?:D

LD fans : 0 degree (directly at the target)
anti LD fans: 180 degree lol

[Han]

What i would like to know it's that will Lin Dan really hit Li Mao with his racket if noone is holding him??

And what's the point? If Lin Dan hit Li Mao then he's really bad and if he's only threaten than he's not that bad? Come on, Lin Dan shouldn't have gone that far, that's the bottom line.

[bananakid]

And what's the point? If Lin Dan hit Li Mao then he's really bad and if he's only threaten than he's not that bad? Come on, Lin Dan shouldn't have gone that far, that's the bottom line.


In normal circumstances, a player(Lin Dan in this case) would not go and start a fight with the opponent's coach. It probably had something to do with the harsh words exchanged during their verbal combat.

Trust me, some swear words in the Chinese language are capable at cursing other people with the worst intention imaginable.

[kwun]

Wong8Egg, LiMao is the best Coach China had, and he had to go, like others (including players), because they knew of some financial irregularity caused by LYB. In short, this is an issue between former partners LYB and LM (and LD of course is influenced by LYB).

Like I said before, I saw photos of a chinese official behind LiMao giving LinDan his racquet back and I´m not malaysian or in any way biased.


I posted the reason in post 53.

i find it hard to believe that Lin Dan at the spur of the moment, will think of the disagreement between LYB and LM 10 yrs ago, and have that as the trigger reason for his rage.

if anything, it will have to be perhaps something that LM did to provoke LD right after he disputed the call.

[stork]

Can you provide a link? Is there any proof that this "chinese official" was seated behind Li Mao? If there is such proof, then I think the dispute can basically be settled.

The photo is here:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51803&page=3

[Han]

In normal circumstances, a player(Lin Dan in this case) would not go and start a fight with the opponent's coach. It probably had something to do with the harsh words exchanged during their verbal combat.

Trust me, some swear words in the Chinese language are capable at cursing other people with the worst intention imaginable.

I agree, in the heat of the moment anything can happen just shouldn't have gone that far.

[Wong8Egg]

Wong8Egg, LiMao is the best Coach China had, and he had to go, like others (including players), because they knew of some financial irregularity caused by LYB. In short, this is an issue between former partners LYB and LM (and LD of course is influenced by LYB).

Like I said before, I saw photos of a chinese official behind LiMao giving LinDan his racquet back and I´m not malaysian or in any way biased.

No, I think LD's action is more about Li's provocation rather than Li's and the Chinese team history. But I could be wrong, since i have yet watched the video.

[Wong8Egg]

How many bad calls are there? From what I read, there are several bad calls before this one but they are all overruled by the empire. :confused:

So, exactly how many bad calls (which indeed took points from LD) are there during the whole match?

I didn't count since I didn't get to watch the match yet, but like I said, doesn't matter if the calls get overrules or not, the player would sure get emotionally affected.

[ye333]

A player will get emotionally affected even if he knows the umpire will overrule bad line calls? Such a player deserves to lose... :D


I didn't count since I didn't get to watch the match yet, but like I said, doesn't matter if the calls get overrules or not, the player would sure get emotionally affected.

[stork]

i find it hard to believe that Lin Dan at the spur of the moment, will think of the disagreement between LYB and LM 10 yrs ago, and have that as the trigger reason for his rage.

if anything, it will have to be perhaps something that LM did to provoke LD right after he disputed the call.

It was "do or die" for LYB, not a small disagreement. Lin Dan is part of the LYB system, and Li Mao is now it´s biggest enemy. And Li Mao is the one who has the knowledge to make life harder for team china, 10 years ago and of course today. On how they react to LiMao you can see how nervous they are, because everybody in team china knows Li Mao has been their best coach.

[bananakid]

A player will get emotionally affected even if he knows the umpire will overrule bad line calls? Such a player deserves to lose... :D


You do know that the umpire can only overrule a decision if he/she can honestly see it 100%... and that are spots where the umpire do have difficulties seeing which is why line-judges are needed.

Nobody can be sure that the umpire will do the right thing when it needs to be done...

You are being bias here... and you know it.

[bananakid]

It was "do or die" for LYB, not a small disagreement. Lin Dan is part of the LYB system, and Li Mao is now it´s biggest enemy. And Li Mao is the one who has the knowledge to make life harder for team china, 10 years ago and of course today.

What exactly is your point?:rolleyes:
So are you saying that Lin Dan had a memory flash of LYB and LM's past, and just want to kick LM's butt all of a sudden?:rolleyes:

[OneToughBirdie]

In normal circumstances, a player(Lin Dan in this case) would not go and start a fight with the opponent's coach. It probably had something to do with the harsh words exchanged during their verbal combat.

Trust me, some swear words in the Chinese language are capable at cursing other people with the worst intention imaginable.
Agree...most fights started with words. I too cannot see LD start the fight, must be some incidents that precede this.
Even in MO06, LD threw the racket out of frustration and more upset with himself (I still say LD lost that match more so than LCW winning it). Similarly, KO08, LD lost the match himself. LD's coach must be pissed, for him losing the match after 21-4 1st game.

[stork]

What exactly is your point?:rolleyes:
So are you saying that Lin Dan had a memory flash of LYB and LM's past, and just want to kick LM's butt all of a sudden?:rolleyes:

The point is he is influenced by LYB. And the only players capable to beat Lin Dan were coached by Li Mao.

[ye333]

What are you talking about. No umpire can do the right thing every time, even if he wants to. So what? So the players should be mentally affected all the time?

If one player gets affected whenever he is not playing in a 100% fair environment, then I think he deserves to lose. I don't see any bias here.


You do know that the umpire can only overrule a decision if he/she can honestly see it 100%... and that are spots where the umpire do have difficulties seeing which is why line-judges are needed.

Nobody can be sure that the umpire will do the right thing when it needs to be done...

You are being bias here... and you know it.

[jgao_net]

No, I think LD's action is more about Li's provocation rather than Li's and the Chinese team history. But I could be wrong, since i have yet watched the video.
ive watched the video, if li mao didnt get up and start provoking LD, i dont think any of this would have happened. im not trying to single out li mao because LD is just as much to blame for his actions. but for the people who are just blaming LD, you have to look at the whole picture and see what made him do what he did.

i doubt LD will get any further punishment. but if he does, in my honest opinion, li mao should get the same if not more.

[OneToughBirdie]

LD could have walked off the court and not finish the match to protest, and that would really something to the Korean.
That would be protest in a gigantic proportion but LD gets a fine too. LHI should enjoy this win, not bad to open 08 with a win and second place (how many points now???) cos it is not often for LD to lose a final when absolutely slaugthering his opponent in the first game. This match should not even go to 3-set, let alone losing.

[jgao_net]

That would be protest in a gigantic proportion but LD gets a fine too. LHI should enjoy this win, not bad to open 08 with a win and second place (how many points now???) cos it is not often for LD to lose a final when absolutely slaugthering his opponent in the first game. This match should not even go to 3-set, let alone losing.
you cant discredit LHI. he played a heck of a match and was cool throughout the whole confrontation too. even having the mental ability to get back into that 2nd game when getting 'slaughtered' in that first game is already a pretty big accomplishment.

[kwun]

BWF got what they wanted.

the reason i said that is they relaxed the rule and now allow the coach to sit close to the court and even allow them to sneak in instructions here and there. so coaches now opens their mouth and potentially provoking the player on the other side.

so if these incidents like LD/LM is were to blow up beyond proportion and tarnishes the image of badminton. we know who to blame: BWF.

[kwun]

LD could have walked off the court and not finish the match to protest, and that would really something to the Korean.

that's what Taufik would normally do, that's also what Lee Yong Dae / Jung Jae Sung did during China Open 2007.

i think that's one way to protest. if one is really so disgusted by the line call, then there is no point continuing the match and one can at the same time make a big statement about the injustice by forfeiting the match.

to the umpires credit though, he did foresee the problem with line judges but probably not foreseen how emotional each side can get.

[Wong8Egg]

What are you talking about. No umpire can do the right thing every time, even if he wants to. So what? So the players should be mentally affected all the time?

If one player gets affected whenever he is not playing in a 100% fair environment, then I think he deserves to lose. I don't see any bias here.

I don't think you gave same comment back then when LCW was playing at CO. Yes, you're bias.

[kwun]

I don't think you gave same comment back then when LCW was playing at CO. Yes, you're bias.

gentlemen, no finger pointing, OK? let's discuss about the issue itself.

[Wong8Egg]

that's what Taufik would normally do, that's also what Lee Yong Dae / Jung Jae Sung did during China Open 2007.

i think that's one way to protest. if one is really so disgusted by the line call, then there is no point continuing the match and one can at the same time make a big statement about the injustice by forfeiting the match.

to the umpires credit though, he did foresee the problem with line judges but probably not foreseen how emotional each side can get.

LYD / JJS walked out because they knew they had little chance for a come back (but still shame on the CO officials), but I don't think anyone (even TH) would do it at the deuce point of a rubber set in the final :p

[Wong8Egg]

gentlemen, no finger pointing, OK? let's discuss about the issue itself.

Sorry, I apologize. Looks like I have bad tempers lately too. :p

[ye333]

LCW got 4 - 5 controversial calls, and none of them were overruled. Why should I gave the same comment back then?


I don't think you gave same comment back then when LCW was playing at CO. Yes, you're bias.

[eaglehelang]

yes yes yes. you're correct! i reviewed the video a few times. i did noticed that someone handed LD back his racket, and before that, both his hands were empty.

i stand corrected.

i do agree that it only means the racket left LD's hand, but not conclusive whether he intended the racket to be thrown at Li Mao. it is entirely possible that he threw it with frustration and anger. i don't see any reason why he would throw it at Li Mao, wouldn't it make more sense to throw it at the line judge? ;)

I also asked VChing the same question earlier & watched the vid again several times. The thing is, Badzine & 1 BCer who watched at the stadium said LD threw his racket in Li Mao's general direction.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=780773&postcount=1106

It wasnt shown on tv, so.......

[Simp84]

come on everyone... the prove is at 3:18 when they show the umpire taking a quick glance at the flying racket... u can see it in his face.. he was watching the racket fly!!!!!!! oh ya and u can see HTK at the back dodging the racket... Badzine is reliable... dont think they exaggerated

[Wong8Egg]

LCW got 4 - 5 controversial calls, and none of them were overruled. Why should I gave the same comment back then?

A little reminder from you previous post

"If one player gets affected whenever he is not playing in a 100% fair environment, then I think he deserves to lose. I don't see any bias here."

Therefore, LCW should deserve to lost without pity, by your viewpoint???

[jgao_net]

come on everyone... the prove is at 3:18 when they show the umpire taking a quick glance at the flying racket... u can see it in his face.. he was watching the racket fly!!!!!!! oh ya and u can see HTK at the back dodging the racket... Badzine is reliable... dont think they exaggerated
this point has already been beaten to death: LD THREW HIS RACKET

[eaglehelang]

LYD / JJS walked out because they knew they had little chance for a come back (but still shame on the CO officials), but I don't think anyone (even TH) would do it at the deuce point of a rubber set in the final :p

Taufik would have walked off too, he also has fiery temper ;).

THe comparisions to LCW in CO 2007, cos some Msian fans said LCW should have been mentally stronger and not effected to those bad line calls. This incidents proves that bad line calls does effect the best players, this being Wolrd No 1 for 3 years.

And LCW's bad line calls werent overturned. By comparision of their reactions, LCW was much calmer than LD.

[cooler]

this point has already been beaten to death: LD THREW HIS RACKET
maybe because li mao gave LD the chinese's finger?

[jgao_net]

maybe because li mao gave LD the chinese's finger?
that would be the pinky! :D:D:cool::cool:

[cooler]

that would be the pinky! :D:D:cool::cool: well, your nostrils must be pretty BIG

[Wong8Egg]

A little reminder from you previous post

"If one player gets affected whenever he is not playing in a 100% fair environment, then I think he deserves to lose. I don't see any bias here."

Therefore, LCW should deserve to lost without pity, by your viewpoint???

The conclusion is already drawn, LD did threw his racket. Question is whether he intended to threw the racket at LM or not.

P.S:I just finish watching the ending clip, and I would like to give my thumbs up to LHI for almost immediately goes over to LD side to handshakes and patted LD's shoulder after his win. I recall most winners usually went straight on celebration and neglected the opponent.

[chibe_K]

Whenever Taufik throws his racquet, I see it as a form of protest and respect his behavior.
Lin Dan is no Taufik. His past behavior on the court earns him a bad reputation. Yesterday he acted like a moron. He thinks the world revolves around him. WBF should do something to displine this guy.

[Wong8Egg]

Taufik would have walked off too, he also has fiery temper ;).

THe comparisions to LCW in CO 2007, cos some Msian fans said LCW should have been mentally stronger and not effected to those bad line calls. This incidents proves that bad line calls does effect the best players, this being Wolrd No 1 for 3 years.

And LCW's bad line calls werent overturned. By comparision of their reactions, LCW was much calmer than LD.

LCW wasn't even close to winning at those points.

Anyhow, I pity LCW the same as I do for LD now back then( feel free to search my posts). I am making the points because ye is arguing about how it is LD's problem for all those disputed calls.

[hador7]

What are you talking about. No umpire can do the right thing every time, even if he wants to. So what? So the players should be mentally affected all the time?

If one player gets affected whenever he is not playing in a 100% fair environment, then I think he deserves to lose. I don't see any bias here.


First off, congrats to LHI for the win. The guy's a class act and it looks like he has a very bright future ahead of him.

Regarding your comment about the 100% fair playing environment, well I'd have to disagree. Having to go to the umpire to have the call changed 4+ times.. well... there's just something that's not right about that. And eventually, it starts burrowing at the back of your mind whether you need to change your playing strategy (i.e. stop hitting line winners). It DOES affect the player strategically and emotionally and it DID affect LD.

As for Li Mao, I really don't think he should have gotten involved. I don't really know much about him or his reputation but it seem to me that he was looking to throw LD off his game mentally. If you look at 8:01 of the video, you notice that LHI and LD were shaking hands, and in fact, LHI was giving a pat on LD's shoulder's. Li Mao walks up to the court, comes up from behind LHI to pull him away, and high-fives LHI right in front of LD. To me, that's just not how a world class coach should handle himself. Really, the game is between the two players.

[Wong8Egg]

Whenever Taufik throws his racquet, I see it as a form of protest and respect his behavior.
Lin Dan is no Taufik. His past behavior on the court earns him a bad reputation. Yesterday he acted like a moron. He thinks the world revolves around him. WBF should do something to displine this guy.

What are the other incidents beside MO06(?) and this time?? :confused:

[chibe_K]

The conclusion is already drawn, LD did threw his racket. Question is whether he intended to threw the racket at LM or not.

P.S:I just finish watching the ending clip, and I would like to give my thumbs up to LHI for almost immediately goes over to LD side to handshakes and padded LD's shoulder after his win. I recall most winners usually went straight on celebration and neglected the opponent.

This proves the point that Lin Dan still has a lot to learn from other players if he wants to become a great badminton like Morten Frost who deserves a name in history.

[Wong8Egg]

As for Li Mao, I really don't think he should have gotten involved. I don't really know much about him or his reputation but it seem to me that he was looking to throw LD off his game mentally. If you look at 8:01 of the video, you notice that LHI and LD were shaking hands, and in fact, LHI was giving a pat on LD's shoulder's. Li Mao walks up to the court, comes up from behind LHI to pull him away, and high-fives LHI right in front of LD. To me, that's just not how a world class coach should handle himself. Really, the game is between the two players.

Good observation.

[Simp84]

Whenever Taufik throws his racquet, I see it as a form of protest and respect his behavior.
Lin Dan is no Taufik. His past behavior on the court earns him a bad reputation. Yesterday he acted like a moron. He thinks the world revolves around him. WBF should do something to displine this guy.
I mean.. if Im world #1... why should I behave like that? Just suck it in and power up to beat the guy!! His image is severely tarnished..
He should have converted his anger to winning.. shame he got so caught up with it and turned violent, maybe it is in his nature to act like a gangster

[cooler]

What are the other incidents beside MO06(?) and this time?? :confused:

like to add that in 06MO, LD threw his racket partially up in the air and landed on the floor in disgust of 'himself'. The racket wasnt damaged at all. He wasn't angry at anybody else.

[Wong8Egg]

This proves the point that Lin Dan still has a lot to learn from other players if he wants to become a great badminton like Morten Frost who deserves a name in history.

Yes, but even so I don't think LD wil ever be remembered by his sportsmanship by his dominant. :D

[Wong8Egg]

it is in his nature to act like a gangster

Personal Bias????

[stork]

First off, congrats to LHI for ...
...Really, the game is between the two players.

No, the situation isn´t that simple.

[cooler]

No, the situation isn´t that simple.
Nod. I see this match was between 2 coaches actually. LYB and a disgruntled ex-chinese coach. It would be eggs on li mao face if LHI lost, especially when LD gave LHI an ass-kicking 21-4 score on the first set.

[Simp84]

Personal Bias????
Taufik is a gangster too but hes no longer that voilent :p
But the way LD acted it reminded me of school kids trying to act cool, by threatening people with their fist... been there done that, anyway the way I see LD now is he is behaving like 15yo no offence

[ye333]

Am I that bad in English or you have difficulty understanding English?

I said these words in reply to your claim that a player should be mentally affected even if he knows the umpire will overrule bad line calls. Was LCW in such a situation? Had the umpire overrule one single controversial call?


A little reminder from you previous post

"If one player gets affected whenever he is not playing in a 100% fair environment, then I think he deserves to lose. I don't see any bias here."

Therefore, LCW should deserve to lost without pity, by your viewpoint???

[stork]

Nod. I see this match was between 2 coaches actually. LYB and a disgruntled ex-chinese coach. It would be eggs on li mao face if LHI lost, especially when LD gave LHI an ass-kicking 21-4 score on the first set.

LYB isn´t a coach.

[jgao_net]

This proves the point that Lin Dan still has a lot to learn from other players if he wants to become a great badminton like Morten Frost who deserves a name in history.
first of all, lin dan already has solidified himself a place in history as one of the best to ever play the game.
secondly, lin dan didnt start the dispute himself. he reacted to what li mao had said to him (something that is probably not related to the line call). saying that LD acted like a moron is probably not to far off, but to not mention li mao in the same sentence is being ignorant. go watch the video with an open mind and then try to convince to me that LD went after li mao first.

[cooler]

LYB isn´t a coach.
whether lyb is a coach right now isnt important.

LYB was the chinese coach when li mao was in the china team and LYB was the coach for majority of lin dan's badminton career

[ye333]

The problem is that it's not possible to know what Li Mao said. And unless Li Mao was personally insulting LD, throwing a racket is not an appropriate reaction.


first of all, lin dan already has solidified himself a place in history as one of the best to ever play the game.
secondly, lin dan didnt start the dispute himself. he reacted to what li mao had said to him (something that is probably not related to the line call). saying that LD acted like a moron is probably not to far off, but to not mention li mao in the same sentence is being ignorant. go watch the video with an open mind and then try to convince to me that LD went after li mao first.

[Simp84]

first of all, lin dan already has solidified himself a place in history as one of the best to ever play the game.
secondly, lin dan didnt start the dispute himself. he reacted to what li mao had said to him (something that is probably not related to the line call). saying that LD acted like a moron is probably not to far off, but to not mention li mao in the same sentence is being ignorant. go watch the video with an open mind and then try to convince to me that LD went after li mao first.
regarding LD's professionalism..
During the SF match against PG... if any of you have downloaded the video by BeiYu... skip to 1:52...
Here you will see PG requesting the shuttle from LD to practice the serve, however LD denied PG for almost 20 seconds before handling the shuttle over by hitting it to the rear court
Can anyone please tell me why does LD have to act so childish? I know he is a great player and all, I admire his physique.. but I honestly thinks he doesn't have the quality of a champion... quite sad to see such an immature guy dominating this sport

[ye333]

From what I read, the umpire overruled other bad calls. Given Korean line judges' reputation, having a fair umpire should relieve LD's pressure instead of build it up, since LD (actually most ppl) should had expected a very unfair MSF.


First off, congrats to LHI for the win. The guy's a class act and it looks like he has a very bright future ahead of him.

Regarding your comment about the 100% fair playing environment, well I'd have to disagree. Having to go to the umpire to have the call changed 4+ times.. well... there's just something that's not right about that. And eventually, it starts burrowing at the back of your mind whether you need to change your playing strategy (i.e. stop hitting line winners). It DOES affect the player strategically and emotionally and it DID affect LD.

As for Li Mao, I really don't think he should have gotten involved. I don't really know much about him or his reputation but it seem to me that he was looking to throw LD off his game mentally. If you look at 8:01 of the video, you notice that LHI and LD were shaking hands, and in fact, LHI was giving a pat on LD's shoulder's. Li Mao walks up to the court, comes up from behind LHI to pull him away, and high-fives LHI right in front of LD. To me, that's just not how a world class coach should handle himself. Really, the game is between the two players.

[Wong8Egg]

Am I that bad in English or you have difficulty understanding English?

I said these words in reply to your claim that a player should be mentally affected even if he knows the umpire will overrule bad line calls. Was LCW in such a situation? Had the umpire overrule one single controversial call?

Another reminder of the comment your made.

"If one player gets affected whenever he is not playing in a 100% fair environment, then I think he deserves to lose. I don't see any bias here."

This is contradicting your own opinion.

But pardon me because it is most likely my poor understanding of the English language. :rolleyes:

[hador7]

No, the situation isn´t that simple.

But it should be. Li Mao really shouldn't have been involved and that's the point I'm trying to make. LD was disputing a line call, not arguing with LHI (which btw, is impossible, since he's such a nice guy :p). The score was 22-22 and this was the 3rd set of the finals. There is no excuse to get out of your coach's chair.

Not to say there isn't any animosity between the coaches of the different respective teams. But for God's sake, just let the players play.

[jgao_net]

The problem is that it's not possible to know what Li Mao said. And unless Li Mao was personally insulting LD, throwing a racket is not an appropriate reaction.
it is almost impossible to know what li mao said to ld, but it must have been something pretty insulting if lin dan had to throw his racket at him to vent his frustration.

[jgao_net]

regarding LD's professionalism..
During the SF match against PG... if any of you have downloaded the video by BeiYu... skip to 1:52...
Here you will see PG requesting the shuttle from LD to practice the serve, however LD denied PG for almost 20 seconds before handling the shuttle over by hitting it to the rear court
Can anyone please tell me why does LD have to act so childish? I know he is a great player and all, I admire his physique.. but I honestly thinks he doesn't have the quality of a champion... quite sad to see such an immature guy dominating this sport
this is a competitive sport, anything legal to help you win should be used.

[Wong8Egg]

regarding LD's professionalism..
During the SF match against PG... if any of you have downloaded the video by BeiYu... skip to 1:52...
Here you will see PG requesting the shuttle from LD to practice the serve, however LD denied PG for almost 20 seconds before handling the shuttle over by hitting it to the rear court
Can anyone please tell me why does LD have to act so childish? I know he is a great player and all, I admire his physique.. but I honestly thinks he doesn't have the quality of a champion... quite sad to see such an immature guy dominating this sport

LD is not the only one that does it, it is a common tactics, as much as I hate to admit.

[cooler]

regarding LD's professionalism..
During the SF match against PG... if any of you have downloaded the video by BeiYu... skip to 1:52...
Here you will see PG requesting the shuttle from LD to practice the serve, however LD denied PG for almost 20 seconds before handling the shuttle over by hitting it to the rear court
Can anyone please tell me why does LD have to act so childish? I know he is a great player and all, I admire his physique.. but I honestly thinks he doesn't have the quality of a champion... quite sad to see such an immature guy dominating this sport
u can't construe every LD actions as something done in purpose.
Maybe LD was thinking about the upcoming game or maybe thinking about XXF back home. If PG want to practice his serve, shuttles are free, just go get one from the courtside.

[stork]

whether lyb is a coach right now isnt important.

LYB was the chinese coach when li mao was in the china team and LYB was the coach for majority of lin dan's badminton career

No you misunderstood me, LYB is not a coach, more a kind of a team manager or politician or whatever. Li Mao was the coach. Imagine how hard to explain for LYB if his team fails to deliver in Bejing08 because of Li Mao...Li Mao has the opportunity to really build up pressure on LYB with team korea.

And for Lin Dan: he is good, but only a player in a big machinery, his career can be over tomorrow, remember Chen Hong or Xia...

[ye333]

Let me make my last try.

Let's say a perfect game is 100% fair.

If there is one controversial call, we deduct 5%. If there is one clear bad call, we deduct 10%. If one bad call is made to each side, they cancel. For example, A vs. B, if A gets 2 bad calls, one controversial, B gets 1 bad call, then the fairness of the game is 100% - 2x10% - 5% + 10% = 85%.

LCW's case: 3 controversial calls and 2 bad calls, none was overruled. So the fairness of the game is 100% - 3x5% - 2x10% = 65%. (BCL got no controversial or bad calls.)

Now I said "if one player gets affected whenever he is not playing in a 100% fair environment, then I think he deserves to lose. " and I did not blame LCW for being affected when playing in a 65% fair environment. What is the contradiction? I still don't think I am biased. :cool:


Another reminder of the comment your made.

"If one player gets affected whenever he is not playing in a 100% fair environment, then I think he deserves to lose. I don't see any bias here."

This is contradicting your own opinion.

But pardon me because it is most likely my poor understanding of the English language. :rolleyes:

[Simp84]

LD is not the only one that does it, it is a common tactics, as much as I hate to admit. Can you name me any current professionals in the circuit who likes to repetitively provoke other player? Anyway stop defending for LD, he is tarnishing our beloved badminton.. Do you know how ugly it is when the footage is shown live on TV?
I really am sick of watching LD doing all these ugly stuff live on TV, I thought he already mature every since after that infamous MO06 incident..
I still remember MO06, I was watching the game with my family, even my mom (who is clueless about badminton) asked me why is that fella so bitter and unfair (referring to LD)..

[Simp84]

u can't construe every LD actions as something done in purpose.
Maybe LD was thinking about the upcoming game or maybe thinking about XXF back home. If PG want to practice his serve, shuttles are free, just go get one from the courtside.cooler seriously go watch that clip, stop defending LD
I dont hate LD, I really hope he can improve his attitude
I really wish he change and stop being so immature, seriously it is ugly sight whenever I see this on live TV, tarnish badminton for good

[jgao_net]

Can you name me any current professionals in the circuit who likes to repetitively provoke other player? Anyway stop defending for LD, he is tarnishing our beloved badminton.. Do you know how ugly it is when the footage is shown live on TV?
I really am sick of watching LD doing all these ugly stuff live on TV, I thought he already mature every since after that infamous MO06 incident..
I still remember MO06, I was watching the game with my family, even my mom (who is clueless about badminton) asked me why is that fella so bitter and unfair (referring to LD)..
some could argue that badminton wouldnt be where it is now without LD. many fans go to tournaments just to watch this guy play

[Wong8Egg]

Let me make my last try.

Let's say a perfect game is 100% fair.

If there is one controversial call, we deduct 5%. If there is one clear bad call, we deduct 10%. If one bad call is made to each side, they cancel. For example, A vs. B, if A gets 2 bad calls, one controversial, B gets 1 bad call, then the fairness of the game is 100% - 2x10% - 5% + 10% = 85%.

LCW's case: 3 controversial calls and 2 bad calls, none was overruled. So the fairness of the game is 100% - 3x5% - 2x10% = 65%. (BCL got no controversial or bad calls.)

Now I said "if one player gets affected whenever he is not playing in a 100% fair environment, then I think he deserves to lose. " and I did not blame LCW for being affected when playing in a 65% fair environment. What is the contradiction? I still don't think I am biased. :cool:

So you point is LCW deserves to lose???

Sorry I already read your comment 3 times.

[Simp84]

some could argue that badminton wouldnt be where it is now without LD. many fans go to tournaments just to watch this guy play
Like I say you should stop defending your idol, this is not the 1st time he showed his ugly side
one of my favorite player is Taufik, and I accept that he turned ugly at times, however he usually apologized for unjustly action and I accept anti-Taufik criticism.. I think you guys as a fan you should accept other's criticism and hope for the best

[Wong8Egg]

Can you name me any current professionals in the circuit who likes to repetitively provoke other player? Anyway stop defending for LD, he is tarnishing our beloved badminton.. Do you know how ugly it is when the footage is shown live on TV?
I really am sick of watching LD doing all these ugly stuff live on TV, I thought he already mature every since after that infamous MO06 incident..
I still remember MO06, I was watching the game with my family, even my mom (who is clueless about badminton) asked me why is that fella so bitter and unfair (referring to LD)..

KKK is one of them if you want me to name it. But I don't blame them, I actually think they bring more controversy to badminton, as long they win fair and square.

Probably because you're not open minded and so whenever LD does seems a bad thing to do.

[Wong8Egg]

Like I say you should stop defending your idol, this is not the 1st time he showed his ugly side
one of my favorite player is Taufik, and I accept that he turned ugly at times, however he usually apologized for unjustly action and I accept anti-Taufik criticism.. I think you guys as a fan you should accept other's criticism and hope for the best

LD is not my idol and I am only speaking because people does attack LD and team China blindly.

Perhaps you should stop attacking LD out of every move he does and every gesture he made.

[Simp84]

KKK is one of them if you want me to name it. But I don't blame them, I actually think they bring more controversy to badminton, as long they win fair and square.

Probably because you're not open minded and so whenever LD does seems a bad thing to do.
true, now that you mention it KKK is another culprit too, guess he learned quite a lot of bad habit off CCM lol..
but to be honest KKK doesn't provoke poeple that much, and I've seen his recent matches he is more mature nowadays... although still a few occasion but he tend not to argue out of proportion over a line call

Anyway peace out guys, whatever is done is done! let just wait for LD's word the next few days

[jgao_net]

Like I say you should stop defending your idol, this is not the 1st time he showed his ugly sight
one of my favorite player is Taufik, and I accept that he turned ugly at times, however he usually apologized for unjustly action and I accept anti-Taufik criticism.. I think you guys as a fan you should accept other's criticism and hope for the best
why?? because what i say is true? ld has rarely out-bursted like this, the last one dating about 2 years ago. and im not even defending him either. i never said what he did was right, im just saying that you're very biased if you only place blame on ld and not li mao. i also dont see you calling out li mao when he provoked LD. isnt that also an 'unjust' action like you say?

imo, this board has a very big anti-lin dan sentiment. whenever he loses there's always ppl saying how happy they are. what makes it even funnier is that this never happens when LCW loses or PG loses or any other player. and yet the ld fans never seem to retaliate. doesnt this seem to you that all the LD fans here are taking all the criticism pretty well?

[cooler]

Like I say you should stop defending your idol, this is not the 1st time he showed his ugly side
one of my favorite player is Taufik, and I accept that he turned ugly at times, however he usually apologized for unjustly action and I accept anti-Taufik criticism.. I think you guys as a fan you should accept other's criticism and hope for the best
so, it is ok and noble for u to defend TH but it's not ok for some LD fans to do the same:confused::rolleyes:

[huangkwokhau]

That would be protest in a gigantic proportion but LD gets a fine too. LHI should enjoy this win, not bad to open 08 with a win and second place (how many points now???) cos it is not often for LD to lose a final when absolutely slaugthering his opponent in the first game. This match should not even go to 3-set, let alone losing.
Just H walked out from HKO...TH got fine ( no prize money in this case for him)...

Regarding some calls, I had been told by INA team, indeed, some calls ( on INA XD vs KOR XD), are too close like 1 or 2 inches, so it is hard for umpire to dispute or correct the calls....Flandy knew it also but he hardly protest all those calls...just too bad....

I sa the video, all I can say that it is bad for our sport...regardless it is LD's fault or not...I believe that I had said that the bad calls would happen again on LD's match....all the players I was rooting were lost....:crying::crying::crying:

[Simp84]

so, it is ok and noble for u to defend TH but it's not ok for some LD fans to do the same:confused::rolleyes:
cmon whenever Taufik puts us to shame i'll hibernate and accept all the wonderful criticism made by anti-TH fans haha...

[sepang]

Everyone has the right to display his/her displeasure but has to be done within the boundary. I have seen players throw their rackets up to the air and then pick it up when it comes down - make your protest in a smart way; some do the monkey face...swing his/her head.

I guess new rule may come out soon: no racket smashing on the floor - yellow card and fine - just like tennis. No coach and players confess opposite coach or players - yellow card, fine or eject immediately.

What do you think?

[huangkwokhau]

maybe because li mao gave LD the chinese's finger?
The umpire holding LD is from Indonesia, the brother of Tangkas club's onwer, Suhardinata....the head referee for HKO.....

[ye333]

Sorry I don't think I can explain better than what I have done. Maybe I should spend more time learn English.


So you point is LCW deserves to lose???

Sorry I already read your comment 3 times.

[narnia]

Watch the following news clip.
Click the video then can see LD throwing his racquet at 1:50.

http://news.naver.com/tv/read.php?mo...ection_id2=5ae (http://news.naver.com/tv/read.php?mode=LSS2D&office_id=052&article_id=0000183309&section_id=129&section_id2=5ae)

[markham player]

I'm just wondering what would happen if LYB were there?

[huangkwokhau]

I'm just wondering what would happen if LYB were there?
Yeah..where is LYB? he showed up at MO ( I saw him), only first day, then he never showed up at all..even in Final MO, some people say that he was playing golf....but LYB is too powerful, noone can touch him unless he could not deliver the reult for Olympic 2008...
As a team manager, he should show up, at least in the final to support his players.......

[zqloy]

some could argue that badminton wouldnt be where it is now without LD. many fans go to tournaments just to watch this guy play

Thats exactly the reason why LD should clean up his act! His is the current world no1 & imagine that many kids r looking up to him as a role model.... :cool:
Tennis is lucky to hv Federer and Nadal as the world no1 and no2, not roddick or safin.....

[ants]

Yeah..where is LYB? he showed up at MO ( I saw him), only first day, then he never showed up at all..even in Final MO, some people say that he was playing golf....but LYB is too powerful, noone can touch him unless he could not deliver the reult for Olympic 2008...
As a team manager, he should show up, at least in the final to support his players.......

Yes, he did went to play golf and massage.

[huangkwokhau]

Yes, he did went to play golf and massage.
Then it is not right then.:mad:.....This time, I did not see him wearing Giorgio Armani's hat......:D

[Jasonvan]

I don't think LD threw his racket AT LM, even Ants said in one of the previous pages that LD did not throw his racket at LM, and I believe Ants... Ppl can get frustrated in a game, they could get frustrated with their own play, or get frustrated by umpires or calls... And as to smashing rackets, I remembered Agassi in his younger days, he used to smash rackets left and right... Oh, and than there's this other guy name MacEnroe and Connors.... As to the LD bashing, I guess when you're the best, ppl get jealous, it's just like other sports... Yankees are hated by almost everyone(yes I'm a yankees fan), Patriots are hated, Manchester United, Lakers...

[vching]

wasn't Li Mao the Chinese coach ages ago? I remember he was Sun Jun's coach because I saw him and Li Yongbo cheering Sun during the 1997 WC.

[chibe_K]

I'm just wondering what would happen if LYB were there?

Too bad LYB was not around during the show, otherwise LD would make history being the nastiest player of all time. Now I put LD side by side with Mike Tyson !

[chibe_K]

I mean.. if Im world #1... why should I behave like that? Just suck it in and power up to beat the guy!! His image is severely tarnished..
He should have converted his anger to winning.. shame he got so caught up with it and turned violent, maybe it is in his nature to act like a gangster

Yes, thats exactly the point I was trying to make. A great player earns respect through good examples, not behaving like a street gangster. We all must recognize the fact that Badminton is a Olmypic event, not WWF !!

[dannyang]

Can you name me any current professionals in the circuit who likes to repetitively provoke other player? Anyway stop defending for LD, he is tarnishing our beloved badminton.. Do you know how ugly it is when the footage is shown live on TV?
I really am sick of watching LD doing all these ugly stuff live on TV, I thought he already mature every since after that infamous MO06 incident..
I still remember MO06, I was watching the game with my family, even my mom (who is clueless about badminton) asked me why is that fella so bitter and unfair (referring to LD)..

what an insult.
don't you think you are more ugly talking here.

[zqloy]

I don't think LD threw his racket AT LM, even Ants said in one of the previous pages that LD did not throw his racket at LM, and I believe Ants... Ppl can get frustrated in a game, they could get frustrated with their own play, or get frustrated by umpires or calls... And as to smashing rackets, I remembered Agassi in his younger days, he used to smash rackets left and right... Oh, and than there's this other guy name MacEnroe and Connors.... As to the LD bashing, I guess when you're the best, ppl get jealous, it's just like other sports... Yankees are hated by almost everyone(yes I'm a yankees fan), Patriots are hated, Manchester United, Lakers...

U can smash yr own racket at yr OWN court, but throwing the racket to the opponent's side is pure provoking, whether intentional or not. Judging from this clip: http://news.naver.com/tv/read.php?mode=LSS2D&office_id=052&article_id=0000183309&section_id=129&section_id2=5ae)

It is clear that LD did threw the racket.

[vching]

so Li Yongbo wasn't there... If Li was there..... SMACKDOWN with Li Mao :D :D :D

[chibe_K]

U can smash yr own racket at yr OWN court, but throwing the racket to the opponent's side is pure provoking, whether intentional or not. Judging from this clip: http://news.naver.com/tv/read.php?mode=LSS2D&office_id=052&article_id=0000183309&section_id=129&section_id2=5ae)

It is clear that LD threw to the other side of court.

Lets sit back and see what BWF is going to say or do about this incident.

LD would not behave this way naturally. I believe it is a learned behavior. LYB should be held responsible too for his players.

[chibe_K]

BWF got what they wanted.

the reason i said that is they relaxed the rule and now allow the coach to sit close to the court and even allow them to sneak in instructions here and there. so coaches now opens their mouth and potentially provoking the player on the other side.

so if these incidents like LD/LM is were to blow up beyond proportion and tarnishes the image of badminton. we know who to blame: BWF.

Kwun, will badminton one day become another WWF ?

[OneToughBirdie]

Kwun, will badminton one day become another WWF ?
To becoming WWE or WWF, first BWF has to recruit G-string wearing, muscular and top heavy ladies as card bearers...therefore badminton is safe and is a long way from becoming one...whew!! hehehehe!!!:D

[zqloy]

Kwun, will badminton one day become another WWF ?

May or maybe not. But 1 thing for sure, badminton is on course of being kicked out in OG.

[X Ball]

I think this shoving and shouting is going to stir up the emotions and make the sport a bit more interesting. I look forward to the next episode of "LI Mao vs LD/LYB'. :)

[ye333]

Poor Li Mao, he got to lose if he has to fight two strong guys... :cool:


I think this shoving and shouting is going to stir up the emotions and make the sport a bit more interesting. I look forward to the next episode of "LI Mao vs LD/LYB'. :)

[vching]

for everyone who is interested:

the video of the whole incident:

The Badminton Blog - Video of Lin Dan's Outburst (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/video-of-lin-dans-outburst.html)

[Jessica]

great LD, you are my hero.

i understand how you feel. i support the way you protest.

you are a real man.
Errm...You are really a blind supporter of Lin Dan..Anyway,you are really passionate toward badminton.:D:D:rolleyes:I agree that he should protest but not this way.

[X Ball]

Poor Li Mao, he got to lose if he has to fight two strong guys... :cool:


His expression on his face after his shoving and shouting with them showed he was disturbed.:D But his 'high five' with Lee Hyun Ill at the end was what counts - nothing else matters.

[huangkwokhau]

I heard from "unofficial sources" that Referee had made a full report about the incident and it seems that BWF may call LD/LM for a hearing....sigh!! just like they did on TH's Walkout from HKG open....TH was charged for bad behavior last time....sad day!!

[V3i HoN6]

Wow to the Korean line judges, They might as well put an "Out" sign behind the korean players and an "In" at the other end to save all the man powers.
We can argue till the cows come home, but when are they gonna put the technologies into plays. Start with some video cameras at every corner for God's sake.

Keep the coach away from court, and shut up while games is on and start to make rules disallowing players crashing, throwing racquet, kicking shuttler and most importantly walking out of the court(other side of the net too!) and drinking area or punish them with marks.


Here we go again, lot of bias from the Malaysian fans, points were made simply out of your hatred toward the Chinese team, LYB and LD's dominant.
Can't we even keep one single thread of LD away from LYB and LCW's name? They are not even present at the scene!!! :mad: Bad line calls are bad for the sport at a whole regardless if you think Korea did a sweet revenge on China officials or not, but the player is innocents.

Take a look at the picture as a whole, this is not the first bad calls happened during the game, LD has been emotionally affected by the many bad calls, overruled or not and happen that the last one where the fight begin happened at the most crucial point of the rubber game, and guess what, Li Mao provoked him further more (cheap tactics??)

I don't agree with LD's action,but I found it understandable. LD shouldn't lose his temper but I think Li Mao and the Korean officials share EQUAL RESPONSIBILITY for provocation and all the dispute calls. :mad:
Feel free to single out Malaysian fans, calling them names in particularly just because you went into arguments with some of the biased fans.;). Not the first time from you.
Just to show you are equally biased.
Fans are biased against players, some just happens to hold the same opinions with some biased fans, some fans then are biased against biased fans, and some are biased against whatever comments that seems create some controversy even it is true. We are all biased in some way.
With all due respect, even Kwun made a mistake about the throwing racquet part but can I blamed him for defending LD blindly, thus calling him biased?
You would not be happy too if I were calling every Mainland Chinese names just because of what happen in China Open.

[ants]

His expression on his face after his shoving and shouting with them showed he was disturbed.:D But his 'high five' with Lee Hyun Ill at the end was what counts - nothing else matters.

It was not Hyun Ill's fault. In fact LinDan acknowledged that Hyun Ill played well.

[vching]

great LD, you are my hero.

i understand how you feel. i support the way you protest.

you are a real man.

I remember you, you were the one that in front of all evidence, said that China wasn't guilty of cheating during the Macau Open. Now can you say that China did not cheat in China Open 2007?

[johnps]

It was not Hyun Ill's fault. In fact LinDan acknowledged that Hyun Ill played well.

I feel that BWF should take a large part of the blame. For all SS finals, they should have utilised umpires (who are not umpiring for a particular final) to do line judging duties. They probably need about 6 umpires to do the "crucial" lines.

The umpires will likely do a better job at line judging than local volunteers. This is because the tournament referee can give them a bad performance review if they keep screwing up on their line judging duties. This may affect them being assigned for future SS tournaments.

[hcyong]

I disagree with most posts here that viciously attacked Lin Dan and also posts that vehemently defended him. I believe Lin Dan is not a vicious person. He got caught up in the heat of the moment, but this does not relieve him of all the guilt. If he accidentally killed someone with his racket (just a very gross example), any court will throw him to jail.

No matter what verbal exchanges there may be, throwing a racket to the other side of the court (or even to the guilty linejudge) is an act of escalating the violence. Breaking your racket on your own court is your own issue, IMHO.

Don't know what Li Mao said, but whatever he said could also have been said by any member of the spectators. Still Li Mao is guilty of letting the heat of the moment get to him. Luckily he was held off from getting physical.

But the root of the problem: Line-judging bias.
Possible solutions:
1) Hawkeye (expensive; you have to install it on all courts and you also need review screens for all courts)
2) Nationality-neutral linejudges (also expensive)
3) More leeway for umpires to throw out certain linejudge (very subjective)
4) Enforce cameras on all lines of all courts (not just TV courts) with feedback to umpire's chair (also expensive and not 100% - visual can be blocked by player's leg -, but more do-able than Hawkeye)
A lot has been said about this. We await BWF to do or at least say something.

Did the incident tarnish the game? A bit.
Did the incident heighten excitement? A lot. Everyone loves their McEnroes.

[kwun]

Watch the following news clip.
Click the video then can see LD throwing his racquet at 1:50.

http://news.naver.com/tv/read.php?mo...ection_id2=5ae (http://news.naver.com/tv/read.php?mode=LSS2D&office_id=052&article_id=0000183309&section_id=129&section_id2=5ae)

cannot argue with that. :)

[kwun]

alright. i think people have already said what they need to say.

we wrap up by saying that LD play LHI in a very tight final match. there were a few overruled line calls which were overruled, however, another happened at the end of the match and LD protested, during which, provoked or unprovoked, he threw a racket across the net to the other side of the court. which leads to violent disagreement with Korean coach Li Mao. after some scuffling, LD was given a yellow card and eventually lost the game and the match.