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After watching this video, it shows how ridiculous Li Mao was in the situation.
He clearly pushed Chinese coach first... Li Mao guy has problems

After watching this video, it shows how ridiculous Li Mao was in the situation.
He clearly pushed Chinese coach first... Li Mao guy has problems

Definitely. LiMao's pushed action is very clearly and obviously defiant.

But, because of the camera's move, I want to know what main umper was looking at. He move his face from left to right and seems surprise...

Definitely. LiMao's pushed action is very clearly and obviously defiant.

But, because of the camera's move, I want to know what main umper was looking at. He move his face from left to right and seems surprise...
A big homework for Referee to make a full report....I am sure that BWF will call them up and settle this issue.....

After watching this video, it shows how ridiculous Li Mao was in the situation.
He clearly pushed Chinese coach first... Li Mao guy has problems

I watched the video and saw the chinese coach putting his hand on Li Mao and telling him off first and of course Li Mao then retaliates by pushing the chinese coach probably to say get off my case.

All said and done, it all seemed fair to me. Useless taking this anywhere. LD would not get anything more than that yellow card. Neither the coaches will incur anything.

I watched the video and saw the chinese coach putting his hand on Li Mao and telling him off first and of course Li Mao then retaliates by pushing the chinese coach probably to say get off my case.

All said and done, it all seemed fair to me. Useless taking this anywhere. LD would not get anything more than that yellow card. Neither the coaches will incur anything.

Yes, the Chinese coaching staff Chong Bo was the one who put his arm on Li Mao first before Li Mao push the arm away. According to Sina Sports, Lin Dan in fact threw the racket towards Li Mao. According to Li Mao, when Lin Dan tried to argue again about the "OUT" ball, Li Mao stood up from his seat try to pressure the umpire not to change the call then Lin Dan got mad and threw the racket at him and Li Mao shouted :"Are you throwing the racket at me?" and Chong Bo came in try to stop it from escalating ...
Sina Sports also claimed the ball was indeed out by playing the video footage in slow motion, the line judge did make a mistake. However, Sina Sports disapprove Lin Dan action/behavior.
There are lots of articles about this incident and if you can read Chinese, here's the link http://sports.sina.com.cn/others/badmin.shtml

Yes, the Chinese coaching staff Chong Bo was the one who put his arm on Li Mao first before Li Mao push the arm away. According to Sina Sports, Lin Dan in fact threw the racket towards Li Mao. According to Li Mao, when Lin Dan tried to argue again about the "OUT" ball, Li Mao stood up from his seat try to pressure the umpire not to change the call then Lin Dan got mad and threw the racket at him and Li Mao shouted :"Are you throwing the racket at me?" and Chong Bo came in try to stop it from escalating ...
Sina Sports also claimed the ball was indeed out by playing the video footage in slow motion, the line judge did make a mistake. However, Sina Sports disapprove Lin Dan action/behavior.
There are lots of articles about this incident and if you can read Chinese, here's the link http://sports.sina.com.cn/others/badmin.shtml

What you wrote is probably what happened. From my perspective, the call is wrong -- I thought I saw as went 'out' too but the Umpire had already changed 4 previous line calls and if he had done another one, the whole world might have come down on him. I think he thought better and left it as the correct call by the line judge (but of course, he could have not seen it and therefore could not change it).

..esp. the last 9 min. or so of the 3rd set, here's my personal opinion (btw, yes, the last sequence of pts, in that 3rd set, were very exciting & nerve-wrecking) :

Both parties, esp. LiMao and LinDan, acted very unprofessionally..And, IMO, both are responsible for the incident...Okay, maybe the dubious line call was the "initial" reason :

1. I don't know why in the world LiMao needed to get up from his seat and walk towards LinDan/the umpire, all the while, probably yelling & screaming who knows what. IMO, he had no reasonable reason(s), at all, to do so; unless if he purposely did it to distract LD, then he might've lucked out. If he had just sat or stayed in his corner, the incident most likely wouldn't happen. As for the CHN coach who came to hold back LiMao, but was somewhat pushed aside by LiMao, i can understand that he was probably trying to separate/calm down LiMao..
2. In LinDan's case, after LiMao walked towards and provoked him, he should've stayed calm & poise. But with him being affected by LiMao's provocation, it showed that his mind wasn't focused and he let the emotional side of him took over. And what made it worse was his body language which showed him in a combative mode, with his racket up, as in wanting to have a rumble with LiMao..In the end, this lapse of concentration, probably cost LinDan the title, eventhough he was able to regain the lead after that incident..

It's quite an unfortunate, embarrassing and really unprofessional act from both because both LiMao and LinDan seemed to take it personally..:o:(

Indeed, i can see BWF's need to review this incident. And if both were to be given a penalty, IMO, that would be most fair.:cool:

In the end, though, hopefully, i'd like to see both parties mend any misunderstandings or disagreements and move forward.:cool:

my blog post on the inquiry expected to be held:

The Badminton Blog - Is It Justified? (http://thebadmintonblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/is-it-justified.html)

...According to Li Mao, when Lin Dan tried to argue again about the "OUT" ball, Li Mao stood up from his seat try to pressure the umpire not to change the call...
..if i'm not mistaken, the umpire was Caucasian..did LiMao speak to him in English??..or can the umpire understand/speak Mandarin (what LiMao was saying)??..:confused:

..esp. the last 9 min. or so of the 3rd set, here's my personal opinion (btw, yes, the last sequence of pts, in that 3rd set, were very exciting & nerve-wrecking) :

Both parties, esp. LiMao and LinDan, acted very unprofessionally..And, IMO, both are responsible for the incident...Okay, maybe the dubious line call was the "initial" reason :

1. I don't know why in the world LiMao needed to get up from his seat and walk towards LinDan/the umpire, all the while, probably yelling & screaming who knows what. IMO, he had no reasonable reason(s), at all, to do so; unless if he purposely did it to distract LD, then he might've lucked out. If he had just sat or stayed in his corner, the incident most likely wouldn't happen. As for the CHN coach who came to hold back LiMao, but was somewhat pushed aside by LiMao, i can understand that he was probably trying to separate/calm down LiMao..
2. In LinDan's case, after LiMao walked towards and provoked him, he should've stayed calm & poise. But with him being affected by LiMao's provocation, it showed that his mind wasn't focused and he let the emotional side of him took over. And what made it worse was his body language which showed him in a combative mode, with his racket up, as in wanting to have a rumble with LiMao..In the end, this lapse of concentration, probably cost LinDan the title, eventhough he was able to regain the lead after that incident..

It's quite an unfortunate, embarrassing and really unprofessional act from both because both LiMao and LinDan seemed to take it personally..:o:(

Indeed, i can see BWF's need to review this incident. And if both were to be given a penalty, IMO, that would be most fair.:cool:

In the end, though, hopefully, i'd like to see both parties mend any misunderstandings or disagreements and move forward.:cool:

Totally agree, good opinion.

..if i'm not mistaken, the umpire was Caucasian..did LiMao speak to him in English??..or can the umpire understand/speak Mandarin (what LiMao was saying)??..:confused:

Its 'pressure' not 'persuade'....he dont have to say anythings...just show his angry face enough !:D:D:D

1. I don't know why in the world LiMao needed to get up from his seat and walk towards LinDan/the umpire, all the while, probably yelling & screaming who knows what. IMO, he had no reasonable reason(s), at all, to do so; unless if he purposely did it to distract LD, then he might've lucked out. If he had just sat or stayed in his corner, the incident most likely wouldn't happen. As for the CHN coach who came to hold back LiMao, but was somewhat pushed aside by LiMao, i can understand that he was probably trying to separate/calm down LiMao..


From my understanding, Li Mao did that after the racquet was thrown at him.

From my understanding, Li Mao did that after the racquet was thrown at him.
..that's the part i'm a bit lost also and what got me a bit more confused is the post reported by Sina Sport.com (post #6):p..But after seeing the footage shown by Alphonse, in this thread (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51770&page=64) i would tend to agree that it happened after LD threw his racket in the direction of LiMao & his assistant..I couldn't get the sequence as i didn't remember seeing the footage of LD hurling his racket to LiMao..All i remembered was LiMao walking up, screaming and yelling and then CHN's coach came towards LiMao...

..that's the part i'm a bit lost also; but after seeing the footage shown by Alphonse, i would tend to agree that it happened after LD threw his racket in the direction of LiMao & his assistant..I couldn't get the sequence as i don't remember seeing the footage of LD hurling his racket to LiMao..All i remembered was LiMao walking up, screaming and yelling and then CHN's coach came towards LiMao...

That part wasnt on tv but Badzine reporter, Alphonse witness it happen.
The cameramen would have been surprised too(as was Alphonse), took a few sec to change camera angle or run to where the drama was (it wasnt on tripod but held manually)

INA team just arrived in KL before continuing to jakarta....
I did ask the incident and both INA coaches told me thru SMS that indeed that LD threw the racket toward Korean coaches but did not hit them.........they said that it was huge news that everybody talked about it even until this morning....

According to them, the match was too intense.....

INA team just arrived in KL before continuing to jakarta....
I did ask the incident and both INA coaches told me thru SMS that indeed that LD threw the racket toward Korean coaches but did not hit them.........they said that it was huge news that everybody talked about it even until this morning....

According to them, the match was too intense.....
..i guess the sequence, based on Alphonse's video, goes like this (please correct if i'm off):p:

1. LD got upset and complained to the umpire over bad call.
2. LD threw racket in direction of KOR coaches (incl. LiMao)
3. LiMao & asst. walked towards umpire.
4. CHN coaches walked towards KOR coaches (incl. LiMao)
5. They hold, tug and broke away. LD shown talking to LHI.
6. LD walked to pick up his racket.
7. As he was walking back to court, LiMao jumped up and walked towards umpire/CHN coaches.
8. LD changed direction and walked towards LiMao.
9. Bruhaha ensued and all parties had to be separated.
10. LD walked back to court...play ensued..

Now, what i don't quite get is the part between #1 & #2. Which is what caused LD to throw his racket in the direction LiMao/KOR coaches (not necessarily targeted @ LiMao & his assistance?? Was LD provoked by LiMao?? Or he threw it simply out of sheer frustration??:confused:

1b from another thread

1. LD got upset and complained to the umpire over bad call.
1b. Li Mao pressured the umpire not to over-rule.
2. LD threw racket in direction of KOR coaches (incl. LiMao)
3. LiMao & asst. walked towards umpire.
4. CHN coaches walked towards KOR coaches (incl. LiMao)
5. They hold, tug and broke away. LD shown talking to LHI.
6. LD walked to pick up his racket.
7. As he was walking back to court, LiMao jumped up and walked towards umpire/CHN coaches.
8. LD changed direction and walked towards LiMao.
9. Bruhaha ensued and all parties had to be separated.
10. LD walked back to court...play ensued..

1b from another thread

1. LD got upset and complained to the umpire over bad call.
1b. Li Mao pressured the umpire not to over-rule.
2. LD threw racket in direction of KOR coaches (incl. LiMao)
3. LiMao & asst. walked towards umpire.
4. CHN coaches walked towards KOR coaches (incl. LiMao)
5. They hold, tug and broke away. LD shown talking to LHI.
6. LD walked to pick up his racket.
7. As he was walking back to court, LiMao jumped up and walked towards umpire/CHN coaches.
8. LD changed direction and walked towards LiMao.
9. Bruhaha ensued and all parties had to be separated.
10. LD walked back to court...play ensued..

no hugs and kisses eh??:D:D:D:D:D:D

1b from another thread

1. LD got upset and complained to the umpire over bad call.
1b. Li Mao pressured the umpire not to over-rule.
2. LD threw racket in direction of KOR coaches (incl. LiMao)
3. LiMao & asst. walked towards umpire.
4. CHN coaches walked towards KOR coaches (incl. LiMao)
5. They hold, tug and broke away. LD shown talking to LHI.
6. LD walked to pick up his racket.
7. As he was walking back to court, LiMao jumped up and walked towards umpire/CHN coaches.
8. LD changed direction and walked towards LiMao.
9. Bruhaha ensued and all parties had to be separated.
10. LD walked back to court...play ensued..

If I may ignore the racquet throwing part for a bit as that's already been discussed all over - the biggest problem I have when I read that is:
1b. Li Mao pressured the umpire not to over-rule.

What business has LM to tell the umpire how to do his job? I can see if the coaches complained or dispute a ruling or a call but IN NO WAY should any coach be telling an umpire how to rule. Now the question becomes was the umpire swayed by LM in any way? We'll never know and doubt the umpire will say so even if he did.

Another thing too, if LM was doing that what language was he using towards the umpire? English if he can even speak it? Doubt the umpire would understand Mandarin.

Probably the only one who understood him was LD and that was probably what set him off (throwing the racquet), not what LM was shouting to LD but at what he saw LM trying to do - to influence the umpire.

According to LM interview, he didn't say anything to the umpire, just "stand up" to show his concern and gestured "in" and thus "pressure" the umpire.

LM try to influence the umpire so LD threw a racket at him? :D

LD said LM shouted to him, "if all disputes are settled in your favor, then what's the point having this game played?" (forgive my bad English). LD felt insulted since this implies he win with the umpire's help.


Probably the only one who understood him was LD and that was probably what set him off (throwing the racquet), not what LM was shouting to LD but at what he saw LM trying to do - to influence the umpire.

So LM was gesturing instead of verbally communicating to the umpire that the shuttle was in. yeah that makes sense.
Still tho I don't think that's his job..should be between the umpire and the linesperson.

Guess part of the blame is for allowing coaches to sit that near...may have to review that policy. Pretty sure that will be looked at.

According to LM interview, he didn't say anything to the umpire, just "stand up" to show his concern and gestured "in" and thus "pressure" the umpire.

LM try to influence the umpire so LD threw a racket at him? :D

LD said LM shouted to him, "if all disputes are settled in your favor, then what's the point having this game played?" (forgive my bad English). LD felt insulted since this implies he win with the umpire's help.

Badzine quoted the same sentence too, maybe translated from LD's statements. LD also said he shouldnt have reacted so emotionally.

Before I watched the video, I learned about this incident from from everyone's postings. I picked up the descriptions of the event from here and there and pictured in my head what was happening. Of course my opinion tended to be bias too.

After watching the video, I have a better understanding now what happened. It was really not as dramatic as I initially thought. I also changed my opinion about the whole thing. This is just a show started by LD and his coach. Regardless if the line call was good or bad, LD coach was the first one who started the show. He touched Li Mao first and that itself was an act of provocation. LD then followed him and put up another show by inviting a fight.
If you think what Li Mao did was wrong, then shoot LYB as well whe he shouted at LCW like a moron.

We all should not waste time here discussing about this incident, its just a really BAD show put up by LD and his coach...and maybe this is how they want to promote badminton in OG08 !

that is what really happened ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ5z1zwfOog

wow..LD walked thru LHI's court.....not good for LD...haiya!

wow..LD walked thru LHI's court.....not good for LD...haiya!

wow... LD is more 'bad-boy' than taufik... taufik will always shake opponent's hand eventough he has been 'cheated' by line-judges :rolleyes: :D

He really flung that racket far! I thought initially it landed near the Kor coaches but it went farther back as the vid shows the one coach who went off camera to the right to pick it up and hand it back to LD.

I think he did shake LHI at the end after the match, not sure he did the same for the ump tho.:rolleyes:

He really flung that racket far! I thought initially it landed near the Kor coaches but it went farther back as the vid shows the one coach who went off camera to the right to pick it up and hand it back to LD.

Did he throw his racket? I didnt see the "flying racket" but somehow the coach picked up his racket from the floor. so, did he throw his racket? can anyone confirm? :eek:

Well that vid obviously was started after the racket was thrown so we didn't get to see LD actually throwing the racket but a BCer here who was there did see the racket fly and took out his cam to record it.

Did he throw his racket? I didnt see the "flying racket" but somehow the coach picked up his racket from the floor. so, did he throw his racket? can anyone confirm? :eek:
From INA coach, they told me that LD did throw the racket......

from the korean news, there was a view at 1:50 , lin dan threw his racquet

http://news.naver.com/vod/vod.nhn?mode=LSS2D&office_id=052&article_id=0000183309&section_id=129&section_id2=5ae

from the korean news, there was a view at 1:50 , lin dan threw his racquet

http://news.naver.com/vod/vod.nhn?mode=LSS2D&office_id=052&article_id=0000183309&section_id=129&section_id2=5ae

wow, that was really bad especially Lin Dan raised his racket and about to swing to Li Mao face and he threw that racket ... Oh man, talk about temper, ...

wow, that was really bad especially Lin Dan raised his racket and about to swing to Li Mao face and he threw that racket ... Oh man, talk about temper, ...i suggest one has to understand the whole situation. I know some of u might disagree which is fine, it is just my interpretation:

this youtube video is missing some early part of incident. The video cuts in when:

1: LD and LM was having their heated conversation
2. as a former comrade/coworker, chinese coach try to break off the LD/LM shouting match by lightly separating LM away from LD
3. LM replied by shoving hard at the chinese coach
4. officials rush in to prevent further escalation of the 2 coaches
5. LM return to his seat, LD went away and got back his racket from a retreiver.
6. LM rose up from his seat again, walking toward and shouting and pointing at the chinese coach. Coach Ha even try to block LM.
7. LD saw/heard this and want to encounter LM again, gesturing in striking posture but i see this just a coy, a message to LM that 'don't you dare hit my coach again'. I don't believe LD want to start a real fight since there are 3 guys separately LD and LM, including physical strong coach Ha. LD retreated immediately to the extreme corner side of his court.


If this were hockey or basketball, LM would be mobbed by players of opposing side, then all hell break lose.

(you might be correct)..
..i rewatched the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ5z1zwfOog) posted by Alphonse, again, and from what i noticed this time, prior to LinDan trying to attack LiMao, LiMao and Zhong Bo were still jawing and staring at each other. Just as LinDan was walking back to the court, after he got his racket back, LiMao got up from his seat again & pointed his fingers in the direction of the CHN coach area..And that's where LinDan's now infamous combative-trying-to-attack-LiMao pose occurred...
Simply an embarrassing act!! Amazing!!..:eek: :o:(:p

i believe, once the 08 OG is over, LM days with the korea team is numbered.

that is what really happened ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ5z1zwfOog
...
this youtube video is missing some early part of incident. The video cuts in when:...
..of the initial sequence..It doesn't show the complete chain of events, esp. from the moment LD reacted to the linejudge's/umpire's call which essentially has propagated this now infamous incident..:p

If this were hockey or basketball, LM would be mobbed by players of opposing side, then all hell break lose.

As some of you know by now, Alponse posted that in the KO Finals thread with his description of what he saw bf he managed to get his digicam out to record.

He, he, cooler, if any hell breaking lose happens, definetely your services as a cooler would be very much needed to cool down the situation.

just from watching the incident, I can't help but think LD's reaction started normally..Apealing to the ump, challenging a call....It's not the first time any player has done this ;)
Then, form how I see it, out of the blue, a coach pops in and starts meddling with it (first time for me). No matter what words he exactly used, or what he said, but just look at that face when he speaks...terrifying..
Then, somewhat understandable, but still a bit erratic, LD responds and things take a turn for the worst...

I really can't see where LD is the main perpetrator

After watching the video, I have a better understanding now what happened. It was really not as dramatic as I initially thought. I also changed my opinion about the whole thing. This is just a show started by LD and his coach. Regardless if the line call was good or bad, LD coach was the first one who started the show. He touched Li Mao first and that itself was an act of provocation. LD then followed him and put up another show by inviting a fight.


We all should not waste time here discussing about this incident, its just a really BAD show put up by LD and his coach...and maybe this is how they want to promote badminton in OG08 !

I think you're refering to Elderplayer's vid, thru Astro.
Watch Alphonse's private cam vid too, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ5z1zwfOog
to see another angle. And all the press reports they translated over the other 2 threads to read both sides of the story, then judge for yourself.

it looks so much like soccer now, maybe umpire or line judges gets killed by fans next time

anyone remembers eric cantona? hehehhehehe...................

it looks so much like soccer now, maybe umpire or line judges gets killed by fans next time
Unlikely, but the Umpire or line judges might get smashed in the head by rackets.:eek: I would suggest they wear a helmet :cool: :p

Wasn't too bad or dramatic as I thought it would be. Sure, it's bad sportsmanship but maybe it'll raise the profile of the game. Maybe more money will flow in. ;)

I think most Westerners think this is a game you play in the garden or by placid Asians. Some bad boys in the game wouldn't be too bad, I think. Think of John McEnroe, Ilie Nastase, and others in tennis in the past. They bring some colour to the game. God knows there's no more Zhao Jianhua to do it with brilliant skill. :(

wow... LD is more 'bad-boy' than taufik... taufik will always shake opponent's hand eventough he has been 'cheated' by line-judges :rolleyes: :D

Taufik have thrown his temper before in court too.

I think since LD throws racket and LM shows his temper as well..
both team should be disqualified and the winner should automatically go to the 3rd and 4th placings players.

news video, more clear.

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdZUuWaPk4

If possible,clarify what Limao said to LD on that moment..cos obviously,he provoked LD.Also,his action of pushing ZB is so inappropriate,considering that ZB obviously just trying to calm him down.In other part,LD's action for throwing racket at limao was also unnecessary.It'll just get him deeper into troubles.

If possible,clarify what Limao said to LD on that moment..cos obviously,he provoked LD.Also,his action of pushing ZB is so inappropriate,considering that ZB obviously just trying to calm him down.In other part,LD's action for throwing racket at limao was also unnecessary.It'll just get him deeper into troubles.

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdZUuWaPk4

this video suggest that:
Lin Dan throw the racket first before Li Mao say anything to him.

Unlikely, but the Umpire or line judges might get smashed in the head by rackets.:eek: I would suggest they wear a helmet :cool: :p

Haha..they'll have to wait for years again for that.Luckily,for now,the badminton fans n spectators r not yet as wild as the soccer fans,whose most of the time, always wild!:DOMG..i don't wish that to happen to badminton though.:eek:

Thank you Kan Kan for posted the clearer video. Look at how Lin Dan threw that racket over to korean coaches' direction!! That was blatant agression! And look at how LD try to take the racket to hit LM after that. This kind of behaviour can not be taken likely as just nature reaction out of frustration. This is agression!! This kind of behaviour is totally not acceptable.

Has anyone of you seen any professional badminton player did this kind of agressive act on court?? Li Mao is absolutely right in saying that LD is ill-cultivated. I used to think he is rude and arrogant even though I like his badminon skills. Now I think he is actually a rascal. So what he is world champion? He is still a rascal! He brought shame to badminton.

He should be penalized by the badminton federation for his behaviour. Good news is he finally has shown his true colour in front camera.

it would be great to see limao get beat up..lol..korea won..but..w/ out class..which = LOSER

irregardless what was happening previously ......... but the way Lin Dan threw his racket is very very very aggressive, like a barbaric .....

how will we show badminton become more professional if the athlete as like kungfu fighter ? really basket ..... :crying:

I'm very dissappointed ...........

It is remained me what Taufik Hidayat has suggested back in 2006 when he withdrew from Hongkong Open due bad lines-call ...... (and against Lin Dan, .... so LD, now you should know why TH withdrew), ... while TH used gentlemen style, ..... LD used his barbaric ......... :eek:

Why BWF did not start to use TV camera ?

During Maria Sharapova vs Justine Henin at the Australia Open 2008, Sharapova used 4 of 5 her challenges (meaning asking for TV preview for lines-call) ......... why BWF can not use this method ?


Thank you Kan Kan for posted the clearer video. Look at how Lin Dan threw that racket over to korean coaches' direction!! That was blatant agression! And look at how LD try to take the racket to hit LM after that. This kind of behaviour can not be taken likely as just nature reaction out of frustration. This is agression!! This kind of behaviour is totally not acceptable.

Has anyone of you seen any professional badminton player did this kind of agressive act on court?? Li Mao is absolutely right in saying that LD is ill-cultivated. I used to think he is rude and arrogant even though I like his badminon skills. Now I think he is actually a rascal. So what he is world champion? He is still a rascal! He brought shame to badminton.

He should be penalized by the badminton federation for his behaviour. Good news is he finally has shown his true colour in front camera.

I just saw the new video...unbelievable :eek:

That was blatant misconduct by Lin Dan....and the way he threw that racket...it could have hit somene and injured him/her pretty badly :mad:

I saw the video....very bad news for China team....LD did throw the racket before LM said anything.I am afraid if Korea Badminton Federationfiles complaint to BWF, It could be severe penalty for LD but Korea Organizer had been warned also about this cheating linesmen and I do hope that BWF penalizes Korean organizer which was infamously known for their Patriotic linesmen....

As far as I know BWF already investigating the lineman's bad call issue. But for Lin Dan throwing racket at Li mao and korean coach, I think BWF should penalize LD even without Korea badminton federation filing any complaint. It is very unwise if BWF let it go like that. This will set a very bad and influencial precedent to on court violent/ misconduct.

If Taufik has been penalized for walked away from match, I don't see why LD threw racket at Li Mao should not received disciplinary action. LD tried to harm some one! That is way too serious to be ignored. What he has done has tarnished the image of the sport.

This question is to u guys forumers. Do you still want to see violent/aggression on court in future? I don't want to see that happen any more. Shouldn't we urge BWF to take action against LD?

omg..wow...i'm shocked...i thought he actually threw his racket after li mao provoked him but it seems that the scene is much earlier than that....he threw the racket because he is frustrated as the point was given to LHI i think...:eek:

If possible,clarify what Limao said to LD on that moment..cos obviously,he provoked LD.Also,his action of pushing ZB is so inappropriate,considering that ZB obviously just trying to calm him down.In other part,LD's action for throwing racket at limao was also unnecessary.It'll just get him deeper into troubles.
How did you know ZB was trying to calm LM down? You heard what he said? After watching the uncensored video, it is clear that LD is trying to lie to the media. And the uncultivated behavior should not come from a World Champion. This is totally not the value and spirit of sport. Hope someone forward the video to the writer of badzine, sina and sohu.
It is meaningless to be a world champion if they can't control their emotion.

How did you know ZB was trying to calm LM down? You heard what he said? After watching the uncensored video, it is clear that LD is trying to lie to the media. And the uncultivated behavior should not come from a World Champion. This is totally not the value and spirit of sport. Hope someone forward the video to the writer of badzine, sina and sohu.
It is meaningless to be a world champion if they can't control their emotion.
You saying that LD's lying about LM provoking him? Why would LD want to toss a racquet at LM when he could instead be throwing it at the line judge? And the uncultivated behaviour should not come from a renowned world class coach!!!:rolleyes:

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdZUuWaPk4

this video suggest that:
Lin Dan throw the racket first before Li Mao say anything to him.that's because LM isnt on that video:rolleyes:

Well, such a question is meaningless. Before this incident, can you imagine LD throw a racket at LM just because LM made some complaints?

Anything can be provocative. Maybe seeing LM (a Chinese) arguing with the umpire in favor of LHI (a Korean) and against him (a fellow Chinese) is enough to set LD off. Who knows. :D

What may have happened is that LD saw LM talking, but didn't hear clearly (When thousands of ppl are talking freely, it's hard to hear clearly. Just remember your school days, if the whole 200+ class are talking freely, only a few front row students can hear clearly what the teacher is saying).

You saying that LD's lying about LM provoking him? Why would LD want to toss a racquet at LM when he could instead be throwing it at the line judge? And the uncultivated behaviour should not come from a renowned world class coach!!!:rolleyes:

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdZUuWaPk4

this video suggest that:
Lin Dan throw the racket first before Li Mao say anything to him.

Watched the new clip a few times. LM isn't in the video, so can't really tell whether he said, didn't say, did or didn't do anything. No matter what, LD throwing the racquet, especially in a general direction where there was people, is not right. Nothing can justify such action.

You saying that LD's lying about LM provoking him? Why would LD want to toss a racquet at LM when he could instead be throwing it at the line judge? And the uncultivated behaviour should not come from a renowned world class coach!!!:rolleyes:

LD did two things to LM:
1) threw the racquet to LM
2) wanted to use his racquet to hit LM

LM did say somthing to LD after 1) but before 2).

LD did two things to LM:
1) threw the racquet to LM
2) wanted to use his racquet to hit LM

LM did say somthing to LD after 1) but before 2).

You saying that LD's lying about LM provoking him? Why would LD want to toss a racquet at LM when he could instead be throwing it at the line judge? And the uncultivated behaviour should not come from a renowned world class coach!!!:rolleyes:

Watch also the official broadcast one & Alphonse's private cam one. As i said over at the other thread (so many threads, duno which one):
a) I can see LM's assistant coach standing but LM was not in line of sight. The assistant coach was a distance away from the umpire, outside the court.
b) LD walked to where the umpire was, then to middle of the court, looked, aimed, threw with force. The umpire was stunned.
c) To be fair to LD, provacation could have been in form of gestures. The distance was to far to hear. Anything verbally said could not be heard. The noise made by the crowd was very loud.
d) Aft he threw the racket, LD went straight to Korea's side of the court to where LM was. LM & assistant walked forward, not backward from their chairs. This means LD felt LM provoked him in some manner,went to challenge.

e) This was where the drama continued with LD's coach gettin involved.
The verbal heated exchanges were at this point, when they were standing near one another.

Watched the new clip a few times. LM isn't in the video, so can't really tell whether he said, didn't say, did or didn't do anything. No matter what, LD throwing the racquet, especially in a general direction where there was people, is not right. Nothing can justify such action.

i agree. we could never fully comprehend what transpired between LD and LM. this is similar to that incident that transpired between Zidane and materazzi at the world cup. But Zidane act of headbutting was considered wrong and he was given a red card and even though materazzi might have been the one to provoke zidane first, nothing will justify his violent conduct. the same should be said about LD and LM. no matter what LM said or gestured or whether he provoked LD or not, the fact that LD threw a racket violently and intentionally towards other people and then with a racket in his hands acting aggressively and violently towards LM, that is just plain wrong. nothing could ever justify that. he was lucky he was just given a yellow card. again, before people are going to defend LD, i am not saying LM and the linesperson were not wrong either. all party was responsible in some ways but the fact still remains that LD was the only one who acted violently in that situation.

Not sure any of you still remember the "4 heavenly kings" back in the 80's...Icuk Sugiarto was one of them back then. He went through a series bad line calls while playing a Korean player in the finals in Korea. He just walk out the game and said if the Korean wants to win the game so badly, why not I just gave it to them! I think he also rejected the medal from Korean or be present at the prize ceremony...

Just my opinion - Lin Dan could have done the same thing...He could go on and win next few SS to make it up since he is still the best.

that's because LM isnt on that video:rolleyes:

he was in an ambulance.. got hit by ld's racket :D :p (kidding)...

we can't still justify lindan's wratful action...

he was in an ambulance.. got hit by ld's racket :D :p (kidding)...

we can't still justify lindan's wratful action...

Exactly....this basically nails down the argument we have so far.

I am really surprised ppl are still defending Lin Dan despite the new video :eek:

REGARDLESS of what Li Mao had said or gestured at Lin Dan, those things still would not justify Lin Dan's violent reaction of hurling at racket. You can see from Lin Dan's expression that he was filled with anger and contempt...not just a sign of frustration.

And now, we started to see posts accusing Lee Hyun Il's reaction :eek: Amazing really....

LM probably did say something which LD heard. It does not make sense for LD to just throw his racquet like that. Still, whatever LM said, it is far worse to be throwing the racquet at someone. He probably threw it off-target (even LD at the height of his emotion know that he would be in really hot soup if the racquet actually hits someone) but still the threat was clear. All said and done, there are some guilty parties in this incident, but none as guilty as LD.

You saying that LD's lying about LM provoking him? Why would LD want to toss a racquet at LM when he could instead be throwing it at the line judge? And the uncultivated behaviour should not come from a renowned world class coach!!!:rolleyes:

Hmm....so u mean that its still okay for Lin Dan to toss a racket at Li Mao because Li Mao provoked him? If your answer is yes...then good luck to u :eek:

Outrageous.....

What's next... Lin Dan bitting off his opponents ear???







:D (testing wilfred humour)

Maybe LD should just smash the shuttle (instead of racket) at LM. Who know's the "wind" (wind generated from LM's scolding) might carry it to LHI's court and LD can get a point!:p:D (thought we need a little less stressfull opinion).

Thank you Kan Kan for posted the clearer video. Look at how Lin Dan threw that racket over to korean coaches' direction!! That was blatant agression! And look at how LD try to take the racket to hit LM after that. This kind of behaviour can not be taken likely as just nature reaction out of frustration. This is agression!! This kind of behaviour is totally not acceptable.

Has anyone of you seen any professional badminton player did this kind of agressive act on court?? Li Mao is absolutely right in saying that LD is ill-cultivated. I used to think he is rude and arrogant even though I like his badminon skills. Now I think he is actually a rascal. So what he is world champion? He is still a rascal! He brought shame to badminton.

He should be penalized by the badminton federation for his behaviour. Good news is he finally has shown his true colour in front camera.

He's the honor student of Li Yongbo, that should explain everything and I mean it.

He's the honor student of Li Yongbo, that should explain everything and I mean it.

You mean 'like father like son' kinda thing ?:D

You mean 'like father like son' kinda thing ?:D

breaking your legs and throwing the racket, both are deadly.... :D

breaking your legs and throwing the racket, both are deadly.... :D

I know.:D

Anyway, LD must think being tough is being rough. His aggression in badminton has transcended into his personal character.....or perhaps we have not seen it until now ?

i believe, once the 08 OG is over, LM days with the korea team is numbered.
Pls elaborate on your wisdom.I have much to learn.

yes I agree with you Han and X ball. I will not be very surprise if what LD said to media after the incident was tought by Lee Yong Bo. LYB is the master of mind game. I mean it. He is extremely good at twisting and turning things to his favour. I still vividly remember many years ago how he tried to talk to Cheah sonn Kit and soo beng kiang during a acontroversial line call. He successful affected them and won. Later he openly admit that was mindgame.

And look at how he denied he threaten to break LCW's leg even though a lot of people including chinese new reportor heard him said so.

Don't know where I should be posting this (too many threads on LD vs LM). Now I have a suggestion (not on LD side nor LM side but just a general view).
I felt that let this encounter be a wake up call to set a new rullings.
Badminton Coach SHOULD NOT BE ALLOW INTO THE COURT area to give tips to players. (a good example is Tennis). After all I believe in the mids of the games the players are so engross in the games that I believe whatever their coaches tells them falls to deft ears . Besides their coaches views will only make the players confused in the mids of the games. Players should be able to use their own judgement and skill to full practise duing matches and should not be depending on their coach 'on the spot feedback' on the game.
I feel the short break is meant for the players to take a breather to rest their physical body and mental mind. With the coach by their sides 'buzzing' away like a bee only puts further pressure on the players.
Besides as it is common for coaches to 'move' from country to country , there might be some emotional conflicts when coaches meets his ex players and vice versa.
My vote is COACH SHOULD NOT BE ON THE COURT!