LD's blog post

[kwun]

Thanks for the respect Kwun. I have been browsing through this forum for over a year and only decided to join now.

As for my username... I am just looking for a place where I can put my knowledge of English and Mandarin to good use, that's all.

does that mean you are volunteering to do more translation jobs for us in the future? (oops, that's a fast way to drive new members away... :p)

[victory]

As I have said earlier in one thread The BWF is already investigating KO bad line call. If they decide the shuttle was out I am sure and support BWF to take appropriate action agaisnt the lineman even the organizer. I think BWF should implement hawkeye and let all umpires to be lineman during final or even semi fianl matches. They should start this at once.

But what about LD's aggression on court? Can BWF let him walk away without be punished after he threw racket at opponents coaches' direction? Please note he has also picked up the racket and try to hit LI Mao after the threw the ractket. He acted aggressively for second time!! From that act a lone,we can logically deduce that he indeed try to threw his racket at LM. If the officials did not stopped him, we have reason to believe he will hit LM with his racket. No matter what other people try to twist and turn the issue. The fact is the whole world can see LD used aggression towards Li Mao. He truied to harm Li Mao. Thanks to today's advance technollogy and you tube!

I just find it so hard to believe that there are still people want to defend LD's violence act on court. At this point it is irrelevant that LD threw the racket under provocation or not. He should be charged simply because violent is not allowed.

As for Li Mao, he left his bench. That is not allowed by the rules. I am sure BWF will do something about it and I support that.

However the real issue we are talking about here in this thread is Lin Dan ' s violence on court. I totally agree that he is lucky the organizer did not call the police the bring him away. Do you remenber Taufik was ask to leave the stadium in Thailand by the security just because him was complaining too much to the umpire? Korean organizer is very lenient towards LD in my opinion. The Cezh umpire was also very lenient towards him. The umpire could have showned the red card immedately!

Do we want to see players throw racket at people on court in future? Do we want to see aggression on court in future? If the answer is no than BWF has to act penalize Lin Dan firmly and immediately.

Can you imagine if LD were playing in European country like Denmark and UK and he did this? Let say he were playing Peter gade or English player he throw racket at their coaches because he was "up set". I am pretty sure he will be locked up and the European organizers will file complain to BWF immediately. They will insist that LD to be punised. In these countries Law is above everyone, everyone is abide by Law. So what LD is world champion? There is still no exception.

What Lin Dan has done is aggression and violent! No matter how some other people try to twist and turn , it is not going to change to fact that what Lin Dan has done is blatant aggression and violent. Lin
Dan must be punished!

[super__gao]

Can you imagine if LD were playing in European country like Denmark and UK and he did this? Let say he were playing Peter gade or English player he throw racket at their coaches because he was "up set". I am pretty sure he will be locked up and the European organizers will file complain to BWF immediately. They will insist that LD to be punised. In these countries Law is above everyone, everyone is abide by Law. So what LD is world champion? There is still no exception.

What Lin Dan has done is aggression and violent! No matter how some other people try to twist and turn , it is not going to change to fact that what Lin Dan has done is blatant aggression and violent. Lin
Dan must be punished!

i'm not too sure you know the laws in a 1st world nation, but i don't think you can get thrown in jail for chucking a badminton racket at someone, and not even having the racket hit the intended person (that's if LD really wanted to smoke Li Mao or not). if anything he could only get fined some money or community service. yah i agree LD deserves to be punished. but the punishment should be badminton related. seriously, pressing charges and getting tossed in jail?? i don't think too many judicial systems in the world will look at the LD Li Mao incident if charges were pressed.

and i think you being a lil racist as well. please don't question whether the judicial system in certain lower world countries is worse than that of a 1st world country

[badMania]

i'm not too sure you know the laws in a 1st world nation, but i don't think you can get thrown in jail for chucking a badminton racket at someone, and not even having the racket hit the intended person (that's if LD really wanted to smoke Li Mao or not).


Wow....what a post :eek:

If that racket actually hit Li Mao, I think Lin Dan would have been arrested for violence :o

Your interpretation is: No doubt Lin Dan is wrong, but Li Mao deserved to be thrown that racket because of his taunts and disruption of the game. Furthermore, there's no law against hurling a racket at someone :eek:

[Joyous]

taufik might ban lindan :)


Ha..ha.. TH & LD are now the 'bad boys'. Seriously, I don't condone violence but despite the numerous complaints, BWF is still in the doldrum. And it's ironic that 2 of the best players in badminton history have to send 'wake-up' calls before anything good can come out of such unfortunate incidents.

The umpire meted out the 1st punishment - a yellow card. LD could have walked off but he continued, finished the match with handshakes and took to the podium in a civil manner. I think these are positive points which BWF may take into consideration in deciding what sort of penalty/punishment they have to impose.

[eaglehelang]

As for my username... I am just looking for a place where I can put my knowledge of English and Mandarin to good use, that's all.


does that mean you are volunteering to do more translation jobs for us in the future? (oops, that's a fast way to drive new members away... :p)

Is ok Translator, I 'flew' round this forum for 6 mths bf posting anything.
He he, now I have fellow translator, just different language, he he.



and how in the world does Li Mao translate into Li Spear?!?!??! :D
LMFAO

LOL, shows Li Mao's parents named him right. His words are like piercing spear.
And Super_Gao, abt the punishment part, one addition, LD should not get the runner-up prize $$$ - Taufik didnt get his from HK Open 06.
The punishment you proposed were the same as what was imposed to Taufik, just amount of fine for Taufik was less.
BWF has to be consistent or there'll be another hu ha.

And the umpire was already very kind... players have gotten red cards for lesser offences.

[victory]

I did not say Eupropean country is 1st world country and I did not say other countries are lower countries. You were the one that says it. And you put words into my mouth.

And I am not racisit.

And I have no intention to argue with you on this higher or lower country or racist or not rasicst issue. You are trying to divert attention. You were the one that defend Lin Dan's violence at the first place.

If you call me racist again I will pm to the administrator Kwun to appeal to him to ban you form this forum.

So you have been warned. And don't say I am not beeing fair to you.

But before that I hope Kwun and other forumers can take notice of this.

The issue we are discussing is LD should be penalized for acting violently on court.

[kwun]

Wow....what a post :eek:

If that racket actually hit Li Mao, I think Lin Dan would have been arrested for violence :o

Your interpretation is: No doubt Lin Dan is wrong, but Li Mao deserved to be thrown that racket because of his taunts and disruption of the game. Furthermore, there's no law against hurling a racket at someone :eek:

i don't know. NHL players fights every match like they are doing it for breakfast. never seen any of them getting arrested for those incidents.

[super__gao]

LOL, shows Li Mao's parents named him right. His words are like piercing spear.
And Super_Gao, abt the punishment part, one addition, LD should not get the runner-up prize $$$ - Taufik didnt get his from HK Open 06.
The punishment you proposed were the same as what was imposed to Taufik, just amount of fine was less.

o, i have no idea how much taufik was fined. maybe double what taufik was fined is fair?! i really have no idea haha. yah +1 for the no prize money part for LD as well


Wow....what a post :eek:

If that racket actually hit Li Mao, I think Lin Dan would have been arrested for violence :o

Your interpretation is: No doubt Lin Dan is wrong, but Li Mao deserved to be thrown that racket because of his taunts and disruption of the game. Furthermore, there's no law against hurling a racket at someone :eek:

all i know is that in canada, unless you really beat the crap outta someone, or you assault someone important (aka politician, bill gates :cool:) then you'll probably get charged with assault and given a fine or community service depending on the severity. but i don't think it's logical to charge someone with throwing a badminton racket in your direction.
and where did i say li mao deserved to get a racket hurled at him??!?

[hcyong]

i don't know. NHL players fights every match like they are doing it for breakfast. never seen any of them getting arrested for those incidents.

What if the NHL player hits a coach or a spectator?

[super__gao]

I did not say Eupropean country is 1st world country and I did not say other countries are lower countries. You were the one that says it. And you put words into my mouth.

And I am not racisit.

And I have no intention to argue with you on this higher or lower country or racist or not rasicst issue. You are trying to divert attention. You were the one that defend Lin Dan's violence at the first place.

If you call me racist again I will pm to the administrator Kwun to appeal to him to ban you form this forum.

So you have been warned. And don't say I am not beeing fair to you.

But before that I hope Kwun and other forumers can take notice of this.

The issue we are discussing is LD should be penalized for acting violently on court.

then why are you even bringing up England and Denmark??!?!?!? :confused:

get kwun to ban me from this forum!?? i don't believe that i've done anything wrong. this is a public forum, i'm allowed to voice my own opinion. and if kwun/the mods really think what i'm saying is horrible, they just need to ask and i'll delete my account.

[super__gao]

What if the NHL player hits a coach or a spectator?

it happened a few times like 20 years ago. it doesn't usually happen today, but players have had fights with fans. most of the time, the fan initiates it, and then gets a good pounding. usually fans most fans aren't dumb enough to fight a huge hockey player fully padded. i'm sure you can youtube this. but normally, the panes of glass are high enough that fan nor player can come into contact with each other.
as for the coaches, again, i'm sure that no coach in the NHL is stupid enough to fight a 6'2 215lb fully padded 30 year old. like, coaches will yell at each other like no tomorrow, but again there's a good distance between where the coaches sit.

and as for punishment, if and only if the player were to be punished, it's usually a suspension of some sort or a fine of some sort.
even then, i dont think a player is worried about getting fined, the lowest amount an NHL player can be paid is 500000USD a year, which is probably more than any badminton player will make in their life :eek:

[badMania]

it happened a few times like 20 years ago. it doesn't usually happen today, but players have had fights with fans. most of the time, the fan initiates it, and then gets a good pounding. usually fans most fans aren't dumb enough to fight a huge hockey player fully padded. i'm sure you can youtube this. but normally, the panes of glass are high enough that fan nor player can come into contact with each other.
as for the coaches, again, i'm sure that no coach in the NHL is stupid enough to fight a 6'2 215lb fully padded 30 year old. like, coaches will yell at each other like no tomorrow, but again there's a good distance between where the coaches sit.


Err...u can't compare badminton with ice hockey :cool: And u said too...it happened only 2 decades back.

The point is: no matter what Li Mao had uttered to Lin Dan, Li Dan HAD NO REASON to hurl him with a racket! If we can't agree on this point, then, it's pointless to debate actually.

[hcyong]

it happened a few times like 20 years ago. it doesn't usually happen today, but players have had fights with fans. most of the time, the fan initiates it, and then gets a good pounding. usually fans most fans aren't dumb enough to fight a huge hockey player fully padded. i'm sure you can youtube this. but normally, the panes of glass are high enough that fan nor player can come into contact with each other.
as for the coaches, again, i'm sure that no coach in the NHL is stupid enough to fight a 6'2 215lb fully padded 30 year old. like, coaches will yell at each other like no tomorrow, but again there's a good distance between where the coaches sit.

and as for punishment, if and only if the player were to be punished, it's usually a suspension of some sort or a fine of some sort.
even then, i dont think a player is worried about getting fined, the lowest amount an NHL player can be paid is 500000USD a year, which is probably more than any badminton player will make in their life :eek:

The point is if they take their aggression outside the rink, they still get punished, right?

[badMania]

but i don't think it's logical to charge someone with throwing a badminton racket in your direction.
and where did i say li mao deserved to get a racket hurled at him??!?

Err...that racket could have hit someone! If it did hit someone, I think Lin Dan surely would be guilty of violent misconduct. Any lawyer here can probably chip in and comment? I believe in Singapore (and perhaps Malaysia), Lin Dan would still be liable :rolleyes:

No matter whether its intentional or not...Lin Dan did hurl it in Li Mao's direction :cool: If he just banged his racket to the floor, then I would say its a natural reaction. But, in this case, he hurled it with full power, with an angry face :o What can justify such an action? Violence is NEVER RIGHT!

[super__gao]

The point is if they take their aggression outside the rink, they still get punished, right?

of course lin dan should be punished!!!! i've always said that lin dan should be punished! it just kind of irritates me that lots of people are blaming lin dan and nobody else.
i truly believe that this incident could have been avoided if Li Mao didn't get out of his seat and taunt Lin Dan. i really do. if Li Mao didn't say/do anything to provoke Lin Dan, then lin dan has no reason to thrown his racket and this would have never happened.

[super__gao]

Err...that racket could have hit someone! If it did hit someone, I think Lin Dan surely would be guilty of violent misconduct. Any lawyer here can probably chip in and comment? I believe in Singapore (and perhaps Malaysia), Lin Dan would still be liable :rolleyes:

No matter whether its intentional or not...Lin Dan did hurl it in Li Mao's direction :cool: If he just banged his racket to the floor, then I would say its a natural reaction. But, in this case, he hurled it with full power, with an angry face :o What can justify such an action? Violence is NEVER RIGHT!

i whole heartily agree with you EXCEPT that the racket never hit Li Mao!!!

[hcyong]

of course lin dan should be punished!!!! i've always said that lin dan should be punished! it just kind of irritates me that lots of people are blaming lin dan and nobody else.
i truly believe that this incident could have been avoided if Li Mao didn't get out of his seat and taunt Lin Dan. i really do. if Li Mao didn't say/do anything to provoke Lin Dan, then lin dan has no reason to thrown his racket and this would have never happened.

Well then, we've always agreed with each other. This argument between us could have been avoided if I understood you in the first place.

[hcyong]

i whole heartily agree with you EXCEPT that the racket never hit Li Mao!!!

If I tried to murder someone but failed to do so, was I innocent?

[super__gao]

Well then, we've always agreed with each other. This argument between us could have been avoided if I understood you in the first place.

i was about to say YES!!



If I tried to murder someone but failed to do so, was I innocent?

but then you said this.
murder is totally different from a throwing a racket at someone. and for all we know we don't even know if lin dan even wanted to hit Li Mao.

[badMania]

If I tried to murder someone but failed to do so, was I innocent?

Still guilty as charged :D

Again back to Li Mao's taunts, if what he merely said was just "look, so far all the calls were given to u....xxxxxxx", then, I don't think it's reasonable for Lin Dan to hurl the racket at him :rolleyes: And, Li Mao wasn't over the line (as ye333 pointed out in many of his posts too) in anything. He was pretty concerned with the outcome of that call too :cool:

[super__gao]

Still guilty as charged :D

Again back to Li Mao's taunts, if what he merely said was just "look, so far all the calls were given to u....xxxxxxx", then, I don't think it's reasonable for Lin Dan to hurl the racket at him :rolleyes: And, Li Mao wasn't over the line (as ye333 pointed out in many of his posts too) in anything. He was pretty concerned with the outcome of that call too :cool:

by the look at li mao hand movements and his facial expression and how lin dan reacted, do you really think that's all li mao said? can you honestly say that's all he said!?!?

[badMania]

by the look at li mao hand movements and his facial expression and how lin dan reacted, do you really think that's all li mao said? can you honestly say that's all he said!?!?

Li Mao mentioned abt it in his interview and so far, nothing malicious came out was mentioned in Lin Dan's interview as well except for those words :cool: I don't think there any "F" or "S" words or any cursing from Li Mao's part? Correct me if I am wrong.

If Lin Dan himself thought that those were the only words Li Mao uttered (Note: as mentioned by others, he could probably heard only a portion of those words given the commotion surrounding him), will it justify such a reaction?

Even if Li Mao INDEED utterred those words, do u think Lin Dan's actions were justified??? Still NO!!!

[ye333]

Check the video dude. And see how quickly LD turned from normal to berserk. At most 3 seconds I would say. Now try yourself how many sentences you can squeeze into that 3 seconds and still make it understandable in a very noisy environment.

That particular sentence is from LD's interview. And according to some early reports LD clearly said LM didn't attack him personally.


by the look at li mao hand movements and his facial expression and how lin dan reacted, do you really think that's all li mao said? can you honestly say that's all he said!?!?

[badMania]

Check the video dude. And see how quickly LD turned from normal to berserk. At most 3 seconds I would say. Now try yourself how many sentences you can squeeze into that 3 seconds and still make it understandable in a very noisy environment.

That particular sentence is from LD's interview. And according to some early reports LD clearly said LM didn't attack him personally.

Yup....well-said. Its amazing really how some ppl still can defend Lin Dan at this stage :eek: The discussions at chinabadminton.com were even more heated, bordering to almost chaos :o Luckily, I am just a reader there :D

[ye333]

By the way, I don't think LM's facial expression or movements before the "racket-throwing" has been caught in any of the videos. All his actions we saw so far are after LD threw the racket. Of course he should be mad after LD's action -- a junior intended to hit a senior. LM must feel very "losing face". :cool:


by the look at li mao hand movements and his facial expression and how lin dan reacted, do you really think that's all li mao said? can you honestly say that's all he said!?!?

[hcyong]

murder is totally different from a throwing a racket at someone. and for all we know we don't even know if lin dan even wanted to hit Li Mao.

Haha, that's actually funny.

What I meant is that the swinging a knife to kill someone is also a crime, same as murder, but to a lesser degree.

So, throwing a racket to hurt someone is also bad, although not as bad as actually hurting someone.

[ye333]

You are wise staying outside of that chaos. :D


Yup....well-said. Its amazing really how some ppl still can defend Lin Dan at this stage :eek: The discussions at chinabadminton.com were even more heated, bordering to almost chaos :o Luckily, I am just a reader there :D

[super__gao]

Li Mao mentioned abt it in his interview and so far, nothing malicious came out was mentioned in Lin Dan's interview as well except for those words :cool: I don't there no "F" words or any cursing from Li Mao's part? Correct me if I am wrong.

If Lin Dan himself thought that those were the only words Li Mao uttered (Note: as mentioned by others, he could probably heard only a portion of those words given the commotion surrounding him), will it justify such a reaction?

Even if Li Mao INDEED utterred those words, do u think Lin Dan's actions were justified??? Still NO!!!

obviously both parties are going to make the situation look better for themselves. when i'm mad i frequently yell out profanities without knowing it lol. and if someone asks me later what had happened, of course i'm going to leave out all the swearing and stuff. so of course, li mao is going to make himself look pretty ditto for lin dan and his coach.



Check the video dude. And see how quickly LD turned from normal to berserk. At most 3 seconds I would say. Now try yourself how many sentences you can squeeze into that 3 seconds and still make it understandable in a very noisy environment.

That particular sentence is from LD's interview. And according to some early reports LD clearly said LM didn't attack him personally.

you need to remember that lin dan is a pro. he is taught how to be mentally strong and how to block out unwanted voices. and from previous matches many would say that lin dan is mentally strong, more so than most other players. so for LD to all of a sudden go totally crazy, throw a racket and almost start a fight.... something must have given. something must have totally just sparked lin dan. maybe it was all the bad line calls added up with the taunting from li man, we'll never know, but something must have triggered him.

[badMania]

By the way, I don't think LM's facial expression or movements before the "racket-throwing" has been caught in any of the videos. All his actions we saw so far are after LD threw the racket. Of course he should be mad after LD's action -- a junior intended to hit a senior. LM must feel very "losing face". :cool:

I counted...it takes me at least 3 seconds to voice out those words. How Lin Dan could hear those words in such a chaotic situation is really unbelievable.

[super__gao]

Haha, that's actually funny.

What I meant is that the swinging a knife to kill someone is also a crime, same as murder, but to a lesser degree.

So, throwing a racket to hurt someone is also bad, although not as bad as actually hurting someone.

well if you take it to an extreme so shall i. the throwing of a cotton ball at someone.
what i mean to say is that you can't take the situation to the extremes, it's just not logical

[badMania]

you need to remember that lin dan is a pro. he is taught how to be mentally strong and how to block out unwanted voices. and from previous matches many would say that lin dan is mentally strong, more so than most other players. so for LD to all of a sudden go totally crazy, throw a racket and almost start a fight.... something must have given. something must have totally just sparked lin dan. maybe it was all the bad line calls added up with the taunting from li man, we'll never know, but something must have triggered him.

All in all, you were saying that: Lin Dan's action of throwing the racket (regardless of whether its Li Mao or not) WAS JUSTIFIED :eek:. It was sparked off by Li Mao's nonsensical taunts of him.

If u think that the action itself was not justified, then Li Mao's nonsensical taunts of Lin Dan (if it indeed occured) were not even relevant anymore. Lin Dan was basically acting violently l:rolleyes:

[hcyong]

obviously both parties are going to make the situation look better for themselves. when i'm mad i frequently yell out profanities without knowing it lol. and if someone asks me later what had happened, of course i'm going to leave out all the swearing and stuff. so of course, li mao is going to make himself look pretty ditto for lin dan and his coach.


In interviews, LD and his coach, ZB also mentioned what LM said. The worst LM said was that the Chinese are also doing it (the biased linejudging) in China ... something like that.

[taufik-ist]

I counted...it takes me at least 3 seconds to voice out those words. How Lin Dan could hear those words in such a chaotic situation is really unbelievable.

he is SUPER DAN :D

[hcyong]

well if you take it to an extreme so shall i. the throwing of a cotton ball at someone.
what i mean to say is that you can't take the situation to the extremes, it's just not logical

Sorry, if I take back the "murder" stuff, will you take back the "cottonball" stuff?

[kwun]

if you guys cannot control yourself, then we will have no choice but to lock up all the threads and ban whoever we deem appropriate. at the end, you are just spoiling it for everyone else.