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韩国站我相信我还是冠军

好久没有过来看大家了，前一阵子因为集训和伤病没有时间过来更新，谢谢大家还在关注我。

相信大家都看到了，昨天一个韩国公开赛决赛，把我又推到了风口浪尖。首先，我希望大家能够理解我，我是无法 容忍李矛才作出这样的行为。事情的经过就像后面大家看到的那样，其实我们早就已经知道，韩国站历届都是会出 现裁判偏哨的情况，比赛前我也把所有的可能都想到了，但还是没有想到会出现这种情况。比赛中，有三四个球裁 判都明显偏袒对方，尽管我也提醒过裁判要注意公正公平判罚，但是在关键球上却影响了整个比赛的局面。在韩国 教练都没有作出反应的情况下，李矛突然冲出来说：“什么都判给你好了！”这时，我最终无法再容 忍。

我认为，作为一个中国人，尽管已经到国外去执教，但是面对这样违反公平竞赛道德精神的行为，还要站出来反口 攻击对方就是不对的，何况还是这样指责一个同胞。事后，我知道跟他讲太多也没什么用。

我想说得是，希望请球迷们能够相信我，我认为我还是一个成熟的运动员，一般情况下不会轻易因为一些事情而冲 动，可能有些球迷觉得我作为一个运动员，不管怎么样都应该在场上保持冷静，对我昨天的行为表示无法理解。我 只是想说，作为一个中国人，看到他这样的行为让我已经无法忍受才造成了昨天的局面。不过请大家相信，我下来 会慢慢调整好自己的心态，关于韩国站比赛中的不足我也会慢慢总结，打好后面欧洲三站的比赛。不过，关于韩国 站我始终认为我没有真正输掉冠军，我认为冠军还是我的！

关于伤病的问题，大家也不用担心，前一阵子因为鞋码不合适的原因脚上磨了水泡，目前已经没事了 ，我也在跟赞助商那边商量制作一双更合适我尺码的鞋子来打比赛。请大家放心！

另外，跟大家透露个消息，以我形象设计的限量版公仔马上就要推出了，目前没有确定怎么送到大家手里，可能是 送，如果卖的话，我也已经想好了，我会把公仔销售所得都捐给希望工程，来做一些公益事业。也谢谢大家的关注 ！
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This guy is such a disappointment. No remose no apology, nothing! Dont think he will ever learn to humble himself.

Anyone can translate????????????

appreciate some proper translation. This is wat i got off babelfish

South Korea stands I to believe me or the champion Has not come to look at everybody for a long time, the first period of time because the training and wounded and sick does not have the time to come the renewal, thanks everybody also to pay attention to me. Believed everybody saw, yesterday a South Korean public competition finals, advanced me the keenest struggle. First, I hoped everybody can understand me, I am am unable to tolerate Li Mao only then to make such behavior.

The matter process everybody saw on the picture behind such, actually we already already knew, South Korean station all previous years all were can appear the referee leaning sentry post the situation, before the competition I also all possibly all have thought, but or had not thought can have this kind of situation. In the competition, some 34 balls referees all obviously favor opposite party, although I also remind the referee to have to pay attention fairly fairly assign a penalty, but has actually affected the entire competition aspect on the essential ball. Trains in South Korea has not all made the response in the situation, the Li spear suddenly runs out said that, "Anything sentenced for you has been good!"

By now, I finally was unable to tolerate again. I believed that, takes a Chinese, although already arrived overseas teaches, but facing violated the fair game ethical spirit like this the behavior, but also had to stand retracts something said attacks opposite party was not right, much less or accused a compatriot like this. Afterwards, I knew says too many with him also useless. I want to say is, hoped asks the fans to be able to believe me, I think me or a mature athlete, in the ordinary circumstances cannot easily impulse because of some matters, the possible some fans to think I take an athlete, how no matter all should maintain calmly on the field, to me yesterday the behavior indicated is unable to understand. I only am want to say that, took a Chinese, saw he such behavior let me already be unable to endure has only then made yesterday aspect.

But asks everybody to believe that, I get down can slowly adjust own point of view, I also can slowly summarize about the South Korean station competition in insufficiency, participates the competition which behind Europe three stands. But, stands I about South Korea throughout to think I do not have truly to lose the champion, I think the champion or I! About the wounded and sick question, everybody Don't worry, the first period of time because on the shoes code inappropriate reason foot has rubbed the blister, at present already has been all right, I also in with the sponsor that side discussed manufactures a pair to be more appropriate my measurement the shoe to participate the competition.

Asks everybody to feel relieved! Moreover, with everybody disclosure news, limited the quantity the version doll by my image design to have to promote immediately, at present had not determined how delivered in everybody hand, possibly was delivers, if sold, I also already thought good, I could obtained all donate the doll sale the Project Hope, made some public utilities. Also thanks everybody the attention!

Yes LD is arrogant and has poor sportsmanship. But like it or not he is a WC.

LD overreacted just because LM said something like "should every linecalls judge in favor of u?!" Whats that compare to LYB's leg breaking threat? Should LCW hit him at the head next time he said that? LOL!

LD overreacted just because LM said something like "should every linecalls judge in favor of u?!" Whats that compare to LYB's leg breaking threat? Should LCW hit him at the head next time he said that? LOL!

Dude, its all heat of the moment thingy la. LD, love or hate him, is the best player out there now.

it's just disappointing, a poor sportmanship shown by lindan. i had read all the news reports from http://sports.sina.com.cn/others/badmin.shtml. all i read were lindan kept on saying limao provoked him first and only then he threw the racket at limao and the thrown racket was not even near distance of limao.
what an excuse! when he threw the racket, the intent was there to hit limao, just that it flew the other way. and lindan thought he was doing the right thing and not apologetic at all.
well i guess he will be the first in the history book being a player throwing a racket at somebody.

I guess it is time for TH to surrender his " bad boy" image to LD.....

careful, careful, moderation level high.... Pemuda, don't stir things up :D :D

I have come to this conclusion - LD is indeed an emotional guy and will express it; off court and in court. And he does have a fiery temper. Frankly, I think he would like to have a better temperament esp. when provoked (as stated in Badzine). For every mistake made, I am sure he wants to learn from it.
Having said that, at least he didn't walk out but continued and proceeded to the runner's up podium in a civil manner.
I remembered Camilla Martin's statement when asked what she thought of LD just before she retired, "Badminton needs more colourful players like LD, makes the game more interesting" - as the Chinese players then were known to be generally stone faced and emotionless - correct me if I am wrong.

careful, careful, moderation level high.... Pemuda, don't stir things up :D :D

Not stirring just stating facts.

I have come to this conclusion - LD is indeed an emotional guy and will express it; off court and in court. And he does have a fiery temper. Frankly, I think he would like to have a better temperament esp. when provoked (as stated in Badzine). For every mistake made, I am sure he wants to learn from it.
Having said that, at least he didn't walk out but continued and proceeded to the runner's up podium in a civil manner.
I remembered Camilla Martin's statement when asked what she thought of LD just before she retired, "Badminton needs more colourful players like LD, makes the game more interesting" - as the Chinese players then were known to be generally stone faced and emotionless - correct me if I am wrong.
That whyTH is still popular..it is true that we lack fo colourful players....I remembered that I talked about it with Joachim Persson in Copenhagen ( he was on the way to Paris Open)....he agreed and he was trying to show more emotion...hope he shows it in right place.......like Tennis, we gotta to see John Mac to get mad....hehe

I guess it is time for TH to surrender his " bad boy" image to LD.....

and finally, Taufik can sleep peacefully without the bad boy crown. :D:D:D

That whyTH is still popular..it is true that we lack fo colourful players....I remembered that I talked about it with Joachim Persson in Copenhagen ( he was on the way to Paris Open)....he agreed and he was trying to show more emotion...hope he shows it in right place.......like Tennis, we gotta to see John Mac to get mad....hehe

We r yet to see TH hitting LYB with his flying racket :D:D:D

careful, careful, moderation level high.... Pemuda, don't stir things up :D :D
Pemuda is quite correct. I agree with him.:) These are just facts.

That whyTH is still popular..it is true that we lack fo colourful players....I remembered that I talked about it with Joachim Persson in Copenhagen ( he was on the way to Paris Open)....he agreed and he was trying to show more emotion...hope he shows it in right place.......like Tennis, we gotta to see John Mac to get mad....hehe

Yeah, it sorts of break the monotony altho' I don't condone violence. And it's always easier said than done. We as the audience can 'judge' their actions but I often wonder how I would have reacted in their shoes. At this juncture I must say, without LD & TH, badminton will be less spicy.

Sidetrack a bit, Federer in the recent Aust. Open said Djokovic's statement/behavior was not arrogant but one which is of confidence and that it should be if one is to be a champion. Another person would have disagreed.

LD overreacted just because LM said something like "should every linecalls judge in favor of u?!" Whats that compare to LYB's leg breaking threat? Should LCW hit him at the head next time he said that? LOL!

why must every malaysian bring up the breaking of LCW's legs bit? this has nothing to do with that.... im sure at the moment you would react in some sort of way whether it be like lin dan or not you cannot say... but dont judge because you DONT know how someone can react when provoked....only lin dan knows how he feels

I guess it is time for TH to surrender his " bad boy" image to LD.....

Taufik is more than happy to give that title away :D
Haiya Lin Dan, you have so many fan in the world and yet did something so disappointing, just make a simple apology to Li Mao and move on, it only benefits you for long run and make you a better player and person.
Why continues to attacking Li Mao even after the incident thru press and TV station, as fas as I can see from all articles thru Sina Sports, there's no excuse for you to throw the racket at Li Mao direction, all this non-sense about Chinese shouldn't have done this to the Chinese ... So Li Mao should behave like "Ask not what the country can do for you but what you can do for the country?"
Li Hyun Il bring up a very good point, why high caliber coach like Li Mao end up like a nomad, something is wrong with the Chinese system ...

why must every malaysian bring up the breaking of LCW's legs bit? this has nothing to do with that.... im sure at the moment you would react in some sort of way whether it be like lin dan or not you cannot say... but dont judge because you DONT know how someone can react when provoked....only lin dan knows how he feels

Because LM is giving back their own medicine. Only LD has himself to blame for overreacting. I admit im having some fun watching all this drama and making fun of him. :p

well i guess he will be the first in the history book being a player throwing a racket at somebody. u guessed wrong, TH did it before LD. Whether the intended receiver is happy to receive it is another matter.

TH is not the first player to throw a racket.....

why must every malaysian bring up the breaking of LCW's legs bit? this has nothing to do with that.... im sure at the moment you would react in some sort of way whether it be like lin dan or not you cannot say... but dont judge because you DONT know how someone can react when provoked....only lin dan knows how he feels

You must understand the Malaysian mentality in the first place.

We have this battle cry called Malaysia Boleh. You know, sabre rattling stuff basically. As a badminton playing nation with top notch facilities for badminton and having the game well supported and funded by the government, we have yet to win that WC or that Olympic gold. So, to cover this major shortcoming, we hold on to LYB's "leg breaking" thingy as one of the reasons why LCW is unable to perform and deliver titles like LD.

Because LM is giving back their own medicine. Only LD has himself to blame for overreacting. I admit im having some fun watching all this drama and making fun of him. :p

But it wont change the fact that LD is the best out there now.

You must understand the Malaysian mentality in the first place.

We have this battle cry called Malaysia Boleh. You know, sabre rattling stuff basically. As a badminton playing nation with top notch facilities for badminton and having the game well supported and funded by the government, we have yet to win that WC or that Olympic gold. So, to cover this major shortcoming, we hold on to LYB's "leg breaking" thingy as one of the reasons why LCW is unable to perform and deliver titles like LD.
Agree with this comment... very valid.

Everyone loves to take a punch to LD when something bad happens to him because he attracts so much attention and because how good he is.
Haters having a party, but that party won't last too long.

韩国站我相信我还是冠军
I Believe I'm the champion in KO

好久没有过来看大家了，前一阵子因为集训和伤病没有时间过来更新，谢谢大家还在关注我。
Long time no see everybody, previously due to training and injuries I didn't get the time to renew my blog, I appreciate that you all still pay close attention to me.


相信大家都看到了，昨天一个韩国公开赛决赛，把我又推到了风口浪尖。首先，我希望大家能够理解我，我是无法 容忍李矛才作出这样的行为。事情的经过就像后面 大家看到的那样，其实我们早就已经知道，韩国站历届都是会出现裁判偏哨的情况，比赛前我也把所有的可能都想 到了，但还是没有想到会出现这种情况。比赛中， 有三四个球裁判都明显偏袒对方，尽管我也提醒过裁判要注意公正公平判罚，但是在关键球上却影响了整个比赛的 局面。在韩国教练都没有作出反应的情况下，李矛 突然冲出来说：“什么都判给你好了！”这时，我最终无法再容忍。
I believed everyone have witnessed what had happened yesterday in KO, it had pushed me to the limit. First of all I hoped everyone could understand me, I just couldn't stand LiMao's thus resulted in my action. The incident occurred towards the end just like what everyone saw, actually we have already anticipated that KO will have bias line calls, and before the match I have already thought of all the possibilities, however I did not expect the subsequent situation. During the match, there were 3/4 shots that clearly favored the opponent (LHI), although I have reminded the umpire to be more alert for fair calls, however during the crucial point it had affected the outcome of the match. Despite the silence of the Korean coach (I think he was referring to HTK), LiMao burst out and said: "Lets overrule everything in your favor ok! (very sarcastic in Madarin tone I would say lol)" And this time around I could no longer hold back.


我认为，作为一个中国人，尽管已经到国外去执教，但是面对这样违反公平竞赛道德精神的行为，还要站出来反口 攻击对方就是不对的，何况还是这样指责一个同胞。事后，我知道跟他讲太多也没什么用。
I believe as a "Chinese", although who had gone oversea to coach, but with such "injustice" morale and behaviour, furthermore still dare to stand up and oppose the other party is unacceptable, moreover accusing his own comrade. After the incident, I know it was hopeless to reasoned out with him.
(This entire paragraph is talking about LM)


我想说得是，希望请球迷们能够相信我，我认为我还是一个成熟的运动员，一般情况下不会轻易因为一些事情而冲 动，可能有些球迷觉得我作为一个运动员，不管怎 么样都应该在场上保持冷静，对我昨天的行为表示无法理解。我只是想说，作为一个中国人，看到他这样的行为让 我已经无法忍受才造成了昨天的局面。不过请大家 相信，我下来会慢慢调整好自己的心态，关于韩国站比赛中的不足我也会慢慢总结，打好后面欧洲三站的比赛。不 过，关于韩国站我始终认为我没有真正输掉冠军， 我认为冠军还是我的！
All I wanted to say is, I hope that all my fans will believe in me. I believe I'm still a mature player, under normal circumstances I wouldn't be so erratic. Maybe some fans feels that an athlete should be cool and calm on court no matter what the circumstances are, and they failed to comprehend my action yesterday. I just wanted to say, as a Chinese, witnessing his attitude (LM) I just couldn't tolerate hence the aftermath. But everyone please believe that I will slowly readjust myself mentally, regarding KO bitter incident it will slowly resolve itself, will focus to play better on the next 3 upcoming EU tournaments. However, regarding KO, I still believed that I haven't lost out as champion, I believe "Champion" still belongs to me!


关于伤病的问题，大家也不用担心，前一阵子因为鞋码不合适的原因脚上磨了水泡，目前已经没事了 ，我也在跟赞助商那边商量制作一双更合适我尺码的鞋子来打比赛。请大家放心！
Regarding injuries, don't worry everybody, it was due to non matching shoe size that caused the blister on my feet, its no longer a problem anymore. I'm in the process of discussing with my sponsor for a more suitable shoe for upcoming tournament. Don't worry!


另外，跟大家透露个消息，以我形象设计的限量版公仔马上就要推出了，目前没有确定怎么送到大家手里，可能是 送，如果卖的话，我也已经想好了，我会把公仔销售所得都捐给希望工程，来做一些公益事业。也谢谢大家的关注 ！
(Cant be bother translating this)


You guys can be the judge yourself!

But it wont change the fact that LD is the best out there now.

Not arguing on that. But doesnt change the fact that he is the world no1 with the worst ever behaviour :cool:

You must understand the Malaysian mentality in the first place.

We have this battle cry called Malaysia Boleh. You know, sabre rattling stuff basically. As a badminton playing nation with top notch facilities for badminton and having the game well supported and funded by the government, we have yet to win that WC or that Olympic gold. So, to cover this major shortcoming, we hold on to LYB's "leg breaking" thingy as one of the reasons why LCW is unable to perform and deliver titles like LD.

As I would have expected, many of the Malaysian fans start to jump on the boat and attack LD. And not to my surprise that LYB "break his leg" statement is brought up again endlessly.

When LCW get shouted at, people thinks he is affected, and thus he lost. When LD get shout at, he lost because LHI played better.

This is getting annoying from time to time now. Chinese team/fans get provoke/attack by mostly the same group of people over and over again, regardless of the result of the tournament. When China wins, the blame Chinese for the dominant, when they lose, we break the great wall and we slap LYB's face big time, and when Malaysia beat China, BIG MATTER.

I am never a fan of LD, but I should from now on. This guy has style. Bring it up LD!

As I would have expected, many of the Malaysian fans start to jump on the boat and attack LD. And not to my surprise that LYB "break his leg" statement is brought up again endlessly.


Same thing when every times a controversy broke off.
Some of the fans have to jump on the "Malaysian fans baddd" bandwagon.

TH is not the first player to throw a racket.....

I know my racket throwing play is no longer a hidden secret but never thought I have to come out of the closet and admit it :D

According to survey conducted by Sina Sports, 56.93% voters feel that LD should learn to control his emotion.

http://survey.news.sina.com.cn/voteresult.php?pid=21706

You must understand the Malaysian mentality in the first place.

We have this battle cry called Malaysia Boleh. You know, sabre rattling stuff basically. As a badminton playing nation with top notch facilities for badminton and having the game well supported and funded by the government, we have yet to win that WC or that Olympic gold. So, to cover this major shortcoming, we hold on to LYB's "leg breaking" thingy as one of the reasons why LCW is unable to perform and deliver titles like LD.


KEKEKEKEKKEKEKKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKKEKE! :D

Lee Chong Wei! Li Mao has showed Lee Hyun Il how to play against Lin Dan. With your natural talent, court coverage and stronger defense, you can do better! You still have room to develop economical put away smashes a'la Yang Yang! Go for it Lee, for Olympic gold and the next World Championship!!

LD overreacted just because LM said something like "should every linecalls judge in favor of u?!" Whats that compare to LYB's leg breaking threat? Should LCW hit him at the head next time he said that? LOL!

LM said that with dirty language.

why must every malaysian bring up the breaking of LCW's legs bit? this has nothing to do with that.... im sure at the moment you would react in some sort of way whether it be like lin dan or not you cannot say... but dont judge because you DONT know how someone can react when provoked....only lin dan knows how he feels

I'm one of the Msians who didnt bring it up, some others did :D. I did reply to some queries on that, personally I dont think the "breaking leg" thing was that relevant comparision.
A more relevant incident was CO 2007, LCW vs BCL,which you would have seen being discussed.

Both incidents LCWs was critised as being "mentally weak" for having lost the matches. Those who did defend LCW - like saying what you said above, were said to be blind supporters, Msia badminton will never progress because of it. So.. it's their turn now to say "See, LCW not that bad after all.";)


Wong8Egg - In reality, many(from the Msia government, media & fans) actually believe LCW was "mentally weak" when he lost in both CO 2007 & "breaking leg incident". He was severely critised in the Msia media, when he complained about bad line calls in CO 2007, he was branded as "whining".
So, in real life, those of us who sorta "defend" LCW or Msia players are the minority, not majority. If he wins, well & good. If he lose, woe unto him....

Look at how China's media potray this, make your own comparisions. Lin Dan being World No 1, invites a lot of attention.

"When LCW get shouted at, people thinks he is affected, and thus he lost. When LD get shout at, he lost because LHI played better...."

As I would have expected, many of the Malaysian fans start to jump on the boat and attack LD. And not to my surprise that LYB "break his leg" statement is brought up again endlessly.

When LCW get shouted at, people thinks he is affected, and thus he lost. When LD get shout at, he lost because LHI played better.

This is getting annoying from time to time now. Chinese team/fans get provoke/attack by mostly the same group of people over and over again, regardless of the result of the tournament. When China wins, the blame Chinese for the dominant, when they lose, we break the great wall and we slap LYB's face big time, and when Malaysia beat China, BIG MATTER.

I am never a fan of LD, but I should from now on. This guy has style. Bring it up LD!

2034320840293850928% agree with this guy. the Malaysian fans on this board are way way way way way too bias toward their players and 150% bias against all chinese players. it's kinda getting ridiculous at what some people are saying.
it's also funny how taufik hidayat has had many outburst before (fighting with fans, walking out, throwing rackets etc etc) and yet he is highly regarded by many people in this forum. whereas when lin dan pulls off one small stunt and he all of a sudden gets unanimous hatred from about every person in BC (who already hate him enough)

Li Hyun Il bring up a very good point, why high caliber coach like Li Mao end up like a nomad, something is wrong with the Chinese system ...

I think the problem with the Chinese System is LYB. But there's no room for that discussion on this thread.

As I would have expected, many of the Malaysian fans start to jump on the boat and attack LD. And not to my surprise that LYB "break his leg" statement is brought up again endlessly.


I can't blame the MAS-fans... If LYB had said anything like that about any INA player, I will never forget...

I guess it is time for TH to surrender his " bad boy" image to LD.....

Now TH be the family man :rolleyes:

LD the loser, blaming the others.
as his chef LYB said before, why he was provoked?
there must be something he doesn't have.

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I can't blame the MAS-fans... If LYB had said anything like that about any INA player, I will never forget...[/quote]It's nice to know an honest chap.

omg...Lin Dan is very arrogant!he said 'ALTHOUGH I LOSE THE MATCH,BUT THE CHAMPION IS STILL MINE!'wow...wat such an arrogant thing he had said.

2034320840293850928% agree with this guy. the Malaysian fans on this board are way way way way way too bias toward their players and 150% bias against all chinese players. it's kinda getting ridiculous at what some people are saying.
it's also funny how taufik hidayat has had many outburst before (fighting with fans, walking out, throwing rackets etc etc) and yet he is highly regarded by many people in this forum. whereas when lin dan pulls off one small stunt and he all of a sudden gets unanimous hatred from about every person in BC (who already hate him enough)

sorry but i think you got it wrong. SOME malaysian fans are in favour of malaysian players and totally biased towards chinese players. and the same can be said about chinese fans and indonesian fans and any other fans. SOME, not all are total fanatics about their favourite player. i have read many malaysian bash their own players. and i have read chinese fans make excuses for their players. and everybody does the same really. and really, i think most are dissatisfied with LD alone for his attitude and not all chinese players. BCL, XXF, CY/FHF have a lot of fans from all over the world and so does LD himself. even malaysians love chinese players more than their own players. taufik is a bad boy. LD is a bad boy too. and there are people who dislikes taufik and there are people who dislikes LD. you cannot justify blind support just because other people hate LD and decides to ignore his wrongdoing. i respect his abilities on court but i cannot say that he is a player i respect in total for the way he behaves. we all have the prerogative to support and not support any player. just dont go for personal attacks and general stereotyping. :);)

i think all of this has been blown way out of proportion.

1) yes, the line judging was questionable
2) yes, LD's reaction was a bit over the top
3) yes, LM's reaction was uncalled for
4) yes, LD is a great player who will continue to intrigue and excite fans
5) yes, LHI is also a very good player, perhaps not to LD's standard but he's fast regaining his best form

time to move on and look forward to the AE.

http://sports.qq.com/a/20080127/000398.htm

腾讯体育讯　2008年韩国羽毛球http://mat1.qq.com/www/images/buy.gif (http://search.paipai.com/cgi-bin/comm_search?KeyWord=%E7%BE%BD%E6%AF%9B%E7%90%83&ADTAG=160.3.1&sf=21)超级赛尘埃落定，韩国羽毛球队 (http://2008.qq.com/badminton/)收 获男单、混双两块金牌，与赢得女双、男双两项冠军的中国队分庭抗礼。韩国羽毛球队从整体实力上来说根本不该 与中国队平起平坐，那么又是什么原因使得韩国羽 球突然崛起呢？其实原因大多数羽毛球迷也都能猜出个大概，那就是东道主驱使裁判做出有利于韩国球员的判罚。 韩国在羽毛球比赛里驾驭裁判的能力到了登峰造极 的程度，从而通过非正当的手段改变了比赛结果、改变了羽球历史。

1986年汉城亚运会男团决赛

在1986年韩国汉城亚运会羽毛球男团决赛里，韩国队为了赢得金牌绞尽脑汁，他们把裁判和司 线员全部设成本国人，希望通过不正当的手段谋求利益。比赛中韩国裁判想方设法的挑中国球员毛病，哪怕这些错 误都是莫须有的。比赛中韩国裁判和司线员多次判 罚中国球员踩线、发球违例，杀球出界等等，并且就连中国球员要求换球都存心刁难。当时参加了男单比赛的杨阳 就是在裁判的关照下丢掉首盘，他之后遗憾的表 示，球只要掉地下基本裁判都会判韩国得分。

尽管中国羽毛球队提出了抗议，司线员也做了更换，但司线员都收到了“上级指示”，依旧是对中 国队严加看管。男双李永波/田秉毅与韩国组合朴奉柱/金文秀的比赛更加离谱，打过一阵后朴奉柱竟然告诉金文秀打得线路要刁一点，因为球只要落到边线 附近， 司线员就会认定是好球，出界只要不太明显就会判韩国得分。就这样，韩国人通过裁判赢得了亚运会男团冠军，那 场比赛也被观战的印尼名将苏吉亚称作最黑暗的比 赛。

2002年釜山亚运会男团决赛

同样是亚运会，同样是在韩国，同样是羽毛球男团决赛，2002年的釜山又重演了16年前的丑 恶一幕。当时男团决赛韩国对阵印尼，印尼第一单打陶菲克与韩国名将孙升模鏖战，比赛首局司线员多次作出有利 于孙升模的判罚，使得陶菲克先输一局。第二局9 -12的时候陶菲克一个巧妙的回球又被判出界，这让陶菲克忍无可忍摔拍退赛。

比赛被迫中断了两个多小时才得以恢复，国际羽联官员和工作人员好不容易把盛怒之下的陶菲克请 了回来，韩国队也最终凭借裁判的帮忙夺得冠军。事后陶菲克回忆说：“ 那场比赛气氛很不对，我们甚至在踏入比赛场地，就感觉到包括裁判、司线在内的所有工作人员都是针对我们的。 韩国人屡屡借助裁判的力量赢取不光彩的胜利，从 而激发狭隘的民族情绪。”

2008年韩国羽毛球超级赛

韩国羽毛球超级赛男单决赛林丹 (http://2008.qq.com/lindan/)与 李炫一展开中韩羽球一哥之争，比赛首局林丹21-4羞辱对手；第二局裁判在几个出界与否的球处理上就值得商榷，李炫一23-21艰难扳回一局；而第三局倾 向于李炫一的判罚越来越多，特别是21-21平时李炫一后场杀球，林丹以为出界了就没全力去接，并扭头瞅向裁判示意，不成想裁判给了界内的手势。随 即韩国 教练李矛的介入也让场面更加混乱，林丹摔拍吃到黄牌后也无心再战，23-25输掉决胜局，失去应得的冠军。

无独有偶，这次韩国超级赛男单鲍春来 (http://2008.qq.com/baochunlai/)与盖德的四分之一决赛，混双谢中博/张亚雯和李龙大/李孝贞的半决赛都因为韩国裁判的错判让中国球员被淘汰出局。鲍春来与盖德的比赛打到决胜局，小 鲍20-18领先，这个时候鲍春来杀球成功都准备庆祝了，但韩国籍裁判却判界外，导致小鲍最终错失4赛点遭逆转。谢 中博/张亚雯和李龙大/李孝贞的比赛打到决胜局谢张组合20-19拿到赛点，但此后裁判出现压线球的争议判罚有利韩国组合，事实上在决胜局此前几个球上争议更大。（乒球 王子）

Im very disappointed with how koreans treat badminton as a game. Im sorry if my post is going to offend anyone but i think i have to say what i want to say right now. I was sitting in front of the television and i saw that shuttlecock going way wide. I cannot believe that the linesman calls it in. This agitates Lin Dan and I believe that what he had done is understandable. In another web, Li Mao claims that Zhong Bo pushed him. Im not very sure whether he did that. However, what i can say that is I saw Li Mao pushing Zhong Bo!

I don't think anyone wants an unfair game to be played and I believe every player, no matter ranked high or low deserves a fair treatment in any game. What I saw in KO08 has certainly makes me see another side of badminton. Im so disappointed.

LD said in his blog post that he believes that he's still the champion. I don't think that is arrogant. You can say that I'm biased, but I believe he is still the champion of KO08 and still the best MS player on court as of now.

Sorry if I have offended any fans of Koreans players.

care to translate this for us?

http://sports.qq.com/a/20080127/000398.htm

腾讯体育讯　2008年韩国羽毛球http://mat1.qq.com/www/images/buy.gif (http://search.paipai.com/cgi-bin/comm_search?KeyWord=%E7%BE%BD%E6%AF%9B%E7%90%83&ADTAG=160.3.1&sf=21)超级赛尘埃落定，韩国羽毛球队 (http://2008.qq.com/badminton/)收 获男单、混双两块金牌，与赢得女双、男双两项冠军的中国队分庭抗礼。韩国羽毛球队从整体实力上来说根本不该 与中国队平起平坐，那么又是什么原因使得韩国羽 球突然崛起呢？其实原因大多数羽毛球迷也都能猜出个大概，那就是东道主驱使裁判做出有利于韩国球员的判罚。 韩国在羽毛球比赛里驾驭裁判的能力到了登峰造极 的程度，从而通过非正当的手段改变了比赛结果、改变了羽球历史。

1986年汉城亚运会男团决赛

在1986年韩国汉城亚运会羽毛球男团决赛里，韩国队为了赢得金牌绞尽脑汁，他们把裁判和司 线员全部设成本国人，希望通过不正当的手段谋求利益。比赛中韩国裁判想方设法的挑中国球员毛病，哪怕这些错 误都是莫须有的。比赛中韩国裁判和司线员多次判 罚中国球员踩线、发球违例，杀球出界等等，并且就连中国球员要求换球都存心刁难。当时参加了男单比赛的杨阳 就是在裁判的关照下丢掉首盘，他之后遗憾的表 示，球只要掉地下基本裁判都会判韩国得分。

尽管中国羽毛球队提出了抗议，司线员也做了更换，但司线员都收到了“上级指示”，依旧是对中 国队严加看管。男双李永波/田秉毅与韩国组合朴奉柱/金文秀的比赛更加离谱，打过一阵后朴奉柱竟然告诉金文秀打得线路要刁一点，因为球只要落到边线 附近， 司线员就会认定是好球，出界只要不太明显就会判韩国得分。就这样，韩国人通过裁判赢得了亚运会男团冠军，那 场比赛也被观战的印尼名将苏吉亚称作最黑暗的比 赛。

2002年釜山亚运会男团决赛

同样是亚运会，同样是在韩国，同样是羽毛球男团决赛，2002年的釜山又重演了16年前的丑 恶一幕。当时男团决赛韩国对阵印尼，印尼第一单打陶菲克与韩国名将孙升模鏖战，比赛首局司线员多次作出有利 于孙升模的判罚，使得陶菲克先输一局。第二局9 -12的时候陶菲克一个巧妙的回球又被判出界，这让陶菲克忍无可忍摔拍退赛。

比赛被迫中断了两个多小时才得以恢复，国际羽联官员和工作人员好不容易把盛怒之下的陶菲克请 了回来，韩国队也最终凭借裁判的帮忙夺得冠军。事后陶菲克回忆说：“ 那场比赛气氛很不对，我们甚至在踏入比赛场地，就感觉到包括裁判、司线在内的所有工作人员都是针对我们的。 韩国人屡屡借助裁判的力量赢取不光彩的胜利，从 而激发狭隘的民族情绪。”

2008年韩国羽毛球超级赛

韩国羽毛球超级赛男单决赛林丹 (http://2008.qq.com/lindan/)与 李炫一展开中韩羽球一哥之争，比赛首局林丹21-4羞辱对手；第二局裁判在几个出界与否的球处理上就值得商榷，李炫一23-21艰难扳回一局；而第三局倾 向于李炫一的判罚越来越多，特别是21-21平时李炫一后场杀球，林丹以为出界了就没全力去接，并扭头瞅向裁判示意，不成想裁判给了界内的手势。随 即韩国 教练李矛的介入也让场面更加混乱，林丹摔拍吃到黄牌后也无心再战，23-25输掉决胜局，失去应得的冠军。

无独有偶，这次韩国超级赛男单鲍春来 (http://2008.qq.com/baochunlai/)与盖德的四分之一决赛，混双谢中博/张亚雯和李龙大/李孝贞的半决赛都因为韩国裁判的错判让中国球员被淘汰出局。鲍春来与盖德的比赛打到决胜局，小 鲍20-18领先，这个时候鲍春来杀球成功都准备庆祝了，但韩国籍裁判却判界外，导致小鲍最终错失4赛点遭逆转。谢 中博/张亚雯和李龙大/李孝贞的比赛打到决胜局谢张组合20-19拿到赛点，但此后裁判出现压线球的争议判罚有利韩国组合，事实上在决胜局此前几个球上争议更大。（乒球 王子）

it's also funny how taufik hidayat has had many outburst before (fighting with fans, walking out, throwing rackets etc etc) and yet he is highly regarded by many people in this forum. whereas when lin dan pulls off one small stunt and he all of a sudden gets unanimous hatred from about every person in BC (who already hate him enough)

That's just utterly ridiculous... Haven't you seen the threads from back during the Taufik incidents? There are easily just as many Taufik "haters" as there are Lin Dan "haters" (I am neither...). Taufik got JUST as much negative comments as Lin Dan. Of course people won't be talking about Taufik NOW because PEOPLE GET OVER THIS SORT OF STUFF. And Lin Dan hasn't just pulled off "one small stunt". He's pulled off just as many as Taufik. Don't make silly comparisons...

And EVERY member of BC? Hardly... Even in this very thread I can see very many people who are still supportive of him. Just like everything else, it'll die down soon enough... Just give people time to get over it. Right now it's still fresh in everyones minds.

2034320840293850928% agree with this guy. the Malaysian fans on this board are way way way way way too bias toward their players and 150% bias against all chinese players. it's kinda getting ridiculous at what some people are saying.
it's also funny how taufik hidayat has had many outburst before (fighting with fans, walking out, throwing rackets etc etc) and yet he is highly regarded by many people in this forum. whereas when lin dan pulls off one small stunt and he all of a sudden gets unanimous hatred from about every person in BC (who already hate him enough)

This statement really is an over generalisation.:o

care to translate this for us?

i haven do translation for a long time. i will do a very brief one here.

Basically, this article talks about how Koreans manipulate ( sorry if i offended anyone here ) linesman & judges when there are competitions held at their home ground.

Take for instance the 1986 seoul asian games. The men's team finals was between korea and china. Back then, the organisers arranged linesman and umpires whom are all from Korea so that with the help of them, they will be able to beat china and win the gold.

and during the 2002 asian games in busan. the same thing happened again. I think most of us still rmb how taufik was so annoyed by the calls and left the match.

sry that i cannot do a full translation cos of time constraint.

So fast the China media forgot about the CO07 MS finals incident :(
I guess this is the best chance for them to divert the attention of the World to Korea

sorry but i think you got it wrong. SOME malaysian fans are in favour of malaysian players and totally biased towards chinese players. and the same can be said about chinese fans and indonesian fans and any other fans. SOME, not all are total fanatics about their favourite player. i have read many malaysian bash their own players. and i have read chinese fans make excuses for their players. and everybody does the same really. and really, i think most are dissatisfied with LD alone for his attitude and not all chinese players. BCL, XXF, CY/FHF have a lot of fans from all over the world and so does LD himself. even malaysians love chinese players more than their own players. taufik is a bad boy. LD is a bad boy too. and there are people who dislikes taufik and there are people who dislikes LD. you cannot justify blind support just because other people hate LD and decides to ignore his wrongdoing. i respect his abilities on court but i cannot say that he is a player i respect in total for the way he behaves. we all have the prerogative to support and not support any player. just dont go for personal attacks and general stereotyping. :);)

Well said. The players only get bash only when they did something wrong, and they totally deserves it. I myself bash LCW too when he say all those stupid things after his WC07 loss, but luckily he did a public apology. Unless LD is stand up enough to apologize and stop acting like a spoilt brat, he wont get back the respect he once had.

I guess it is time for TH to surrender his " bad boy" image to LD.....

who knows after hearing about this, taufik wont let lin outdo him?

Well maybe many of us here do not read chinese and this has lead to misunderstanding of Lin Dan's blog post. But from the way i read it, Lin Dan has admitted he is also at fault and that he will take some time to sort out his emotions. He knew there would be many line calls against him but never in his worst nightmare did he fathom what came from Li Mao.

Sometimes we really have to climb into his skin and walk around in it before we start accusing him of being unsporting and the next bad boy in badminton. Li Mao wasnt asking Lin Dan a question. Li Mao shouted "ALL LINE CALLS IN YOUR FAVOUR" and actually managed to appear furious. Lin Dan couldnt take it as the many bad calls against him prior to this point that were corrected were obviously out, furthermore, the comment came from a fellow countryman. It is definitely not a case of Li Mao being unable to tell that the previous bad calls against Lin Dan were blatantly out. Li Mao's was just all out to anger Lin Dan so that his protege could claim victory. Lin Dan could not take it that Li Mao could be so headstrong even when he(Li Mao) was wrong.

Lin Dan couldnt believe it came from his fellow countryman. I cant believe it came from a world class coach.

Well maybe many of us here do not read chinese and this has lead to misunderstanding of Lin Dan's blog post. But from the way i read it, Lin Dan has admitted he is also at fault and that he will take some time to sort out his emotions. He knew there would be many line calls against him but never in his worst nightmare did he fathom what came from Li Mao.

Sometimes we really have to climb into his skin and walk around in it before we start accusing him of being unsporting and the next bad boy in badminton. Li Mao wasnt asking Lin Dan a question. Li Mao shouted "ALL LINE CALLS IN YOUR FAVOUR" and actually managed to appear furious. Lin Dan couldnt take it as the many bad calls against him prior to this point that were corrected were obviously out, furthermore, the comment came from a fellow countryman. It is definitely not a case of Li Mao being unable to tell that the previous bad calls against Lin Dan were blatantly out. Li Mao's was just all out to anger Lin Dan so that his protege could claim victory. Lin Dan could not take it that Li Mao could be so headstrong even when he(Li Mao) was wrong.

Lin Dan couldnt believe it came from his fellow countryman. I cant believe it came from a world class coach.
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中國首號男單林丹回國后首次開口談他和李矛的衝突，林丹表明拒絕道歉，並指李矛用臟話罵他，他 當然要反擊。

林丹說：“我覺得這件事我們都沒錯，根本不會道歉，我有我的性格，現在回想，我還是覺得很委屈，就是有被欺 負的感覺。” 林丹認為，國內有媒體對此事有誤解，所以他有必要還原事實，他堅持自己的做法沒錯，不會跟李矛 道歉。
CHINA primary Men's Single player LD finally open mouth about the fuss between him and LM after back to his homeland. He said LM used dirty word to score him, certainly he need to fight back
LD : "I think we were not at fault in this matter, no need to apologize. I have my personality. When I think it back now. I still feel innocent, kinda like being bullied.
He feel that there will be some sort of misundertanding among local china media, thats why he need to emphasis on the truth. He insist he was right and WONT APOLOGIZE TO LM !

Well maybe many of us here do not read chinese and this has lead to misunderstanding of Lin Dan's blog post. But from the way i read it, Lin Dan has admitted he is also at fault and that he will take some time to sort out his emotions. He knew there would be many line calls against him but never in his worst nightmare did he fathom what came from Li Mao.

Sometimes we really have to climb into his skin and walk around in it before we start accusing him of being unsporting and the next bad boy in badminton. Li Mao wasnt asking Lin Dan a question. Li Mao shouted "ALL LINE CALLS IN YOUR FAVOUR" and actually managed to appear furious. Lin Dan couldnt take it as the many bad calls against him prior to this point that were corrected were obviously out, furthermore, the comment came from a fellow countryman. It is definitely not a case of Li Mao being unable to tell that the previous bad calls against Lin Dan were blatantly out. Li Mao's was just all out to anger Lin Dan so that his protege could claim victory. Lin Dan could not take it that Li Mao could be so headstrong even when he(Li Mao) was wrong.

Lin Dan couldnt believe it came from his fellow countryman. I cant believe it came from a world class coach.
LD's tone on the blog sounded very bitter, he would not admit he is at fault for his violent behaviour.
LiMao did not know whether the call was good or bad as he was sitting by the side with HTK, of course when umpire favored LD so many times, LM was furious as well and felt like he had to protest against such constant overruling. Our friend LYB did it so many times as well, and on one occasion even verbally abuse umpire in madarin (for those who've already forgoten that imfamous incident, let me remind you what LYB said "Chao ni ma de, dou bu shi ren!" (F* your mom, your not a human being")).
No doubt yes KO is at fault too, and KBA is to be blamed for such poor event, and every player has the right to protest, I'm sure most of us here wouldn't mind player protesting. However, most of us here disagree with LD's resorting to violence. If LD is a mature fella, he would have apologise for his outrageous behaviour, and divert the attention to more important issue, ie the bias line call in badminton game.
Anyway it doesn't matter, as we won't be expecting an apology from LD, it is his loss for setting bad reputation for himself.

2034320840293850928% agree with this guy. the Malaysian fans on this board are way way way way way too bias toward their players and 150% bias against all chinese players. it's kinda getting ridiculous at what some people are saying.
it's also funny how taufik hidayat has had many outburst before (fighting with fans, walking out, throwing rackets etc etc) and yet he is highly regarded by many people in this forum. whereas when lin dan pulls off one small stunt and he all of a sudden gets unanimous hatred from about every person in BC (who already hate him enough)

listen here, i am from Malaysia, i am not bias towards Lee Chong Wei and i am not bias against Lin Dan. You are the ridiculous one here! :cool:

No point creating enemies or get stressed by players or managers antics friend. Just enjoy your favourite players game and hope he/she can win the next tournament. No single person can dominate the game now days, which is a good thing. Let take the good and forget about the bad ones. What goes around will come around. Patience prevail.

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中國首號男單林丹回國后首次開口談他和李矛的衝突，林丹表明拒絕道歉，並指李矛用臟話罵他，他 當然要反擊。

林丹說：“我覺得這件事我們都沒錯，根本不會道歉，我有我的性格，現在回想，我還是覺得很委屈，就是有被欺 負的感覺。” 林丹認為，國內有媒體對此事有誤解，所以他有必要還原事實，他堅持自己的做法沒錯，不會跟李矛 道歉。
CHINA primary Men's Single player LD finally open mouth about the fuss between him and LM after back to his homeland. He said LM used dirty word to score him, certainly he need to fight back
LD : "I think we were not at fault in this matter, no need to apologize. I have my personality. When I think it back now. I still feel innocent, kinda like being bullied.
He feel that there will be some sort of misundertanding among local china media, thats why he need to emphasis on the truth. He insist he was right and WONT APOLOGIZE TO LM !

I think most previous reports didn't show this. If this is true, I would understand what he did.

i dun think he did anything wrong. can u imagine if taufik is the one who is playing and not lin dan tt day, wat wld he have done? at lst lin dan stil continues to play the match, this is of good sportsmanship and this is wat makes him a real champion.

LINDAN JIAYOU!!

i dun think he did anything wrong. can u imagine if taufik is the one who is playing and not lin dan tt day, wat wld he have done? at lst lin dan stil continues to play the match, this is of good sportsmanship and this is wat makes him a real champion.

LINDAN JIAYOU!!

In the 1st place, taufik dont understand Chinese & Li Mao cant speak Malay. Dont think LM's English is that good.
If there was any verbal provocation, Taufik wouldnt know what in the world Li Mao's talking abt - since LD's racket throwing action was said to be provoked by LM's words.

HMMM...wat i actually mean is if taufik dislike the call n the umpire still did not overrule it..wat wld he have done? wld he leave the match or continue?

Haish. i srsly think they shld install the hawk's eye thing. so tt thr wudden be any more controversy.

I have watched the match from begining to the end. From what I see, LD did nearly everything wrong!

When the shuttle was call in LD was dissatisfied and complain to the umpire. That was not wrong, that was his right. What he did after that were all wrong.

(1) He tried to talk to LHI. That was a mindgame.That is a tactic that is commonly use by Chinese players even during Lee Yong Bo' s time. LYB is a master of using this tactic. However , I must say that not all Chinese players use this kind of mindgame tactic. LD clearly tried to upset LHI too so that they are even in terms of psychology. LHI was alert and not perturbed.

(2) When Li Mao stood up to ensure the empire did not succumb to pressure, LD threw racket at LM!! What kind of attitude was that! Come on, badminton is a gentlemen sport. This kind of gangster behaviour is totally not acceptable. If LD was angry at LM he could have shouted back at him. How can he throw racket at LM?? LD shoud be penalized by badminton federation for his behaviour. He brought shame to the sport!

(3) When LM shouted back and have a verbal fight with LD they were seperated by officials. However when LD get back his racket from one of the officials he tried to turn back to hit LM!! Luckily he was stopped by the offcials again. What kind of world number 1 player is this?? What kind of world champion is this? What a shame! I must say his skill is first class but his attitude and manners are 3 class. May be even 4 class! And hs is only making a fool of himself because he has shown his true colour in front of million people around the world. What ever he did was recorded! There is no way for him to talk his way out. He threw racket and try to hit LM were recorded and all of us can see them at you tube and some other thread.

I want to openly urge respective authority to penalize Lin Dan. This will ensure rude and ridiculious behaviour will not happen on badminton court again.

i believe that everyone has his or her own opinions on this matter. thr is this article saying tt LM scolded LD...and LD claims tt he didnt throw his racket at LM purposely. only they noe the ans to wat they had done. so thr's no pt arguing and discuss who did the right thing and who did the wrong thing.

not every player can be well liked by every single one of us. it's just a matter of each perspective on this matter.

wat done cant be undone and let's just move on to see what will happen next.

He's been no 1 for years,so i don't think he'd easily take his lose,especially if he's beaten by someone that his WR is moderately below him.Not in china.;)

Hence,he'll blame this and that as the reason why he lose.Somehow,WR no 1 means so much for this guy.So that his fans won't doubt him as someone that performance isn't stable,n not doing as a WR no 1 should do,he'd make some excuses.:rolleyes:

Besides,it's not easy for this kind of guy to feel losing.He has been pushed by chinese public n LYB to always keep his title as the no 1.While for most of chinese supporters,WR no 1 athelete will always be about winning.Most of them don't care about what other than that.

However,his action of throwing rackets to limao is not appropriate n he should be charged for that.Deduction of WR points,maybe?It'll mean so much for him,n should be a good reminder for him not to do the same thing again next time.:cool::cool:

2034320840293850928% agree with this guy. the Malaysian fans on this board are way way way way way too bias toward their players and 150% bias against all chinese players. it's kinda getting ridiculous at what some people are saying.
it's also funny how taufik hidayat has had many outburst before (fighting with fans, walking out, throwing rackets etc etc) and yet he is highly regarded by many people in this forum. whereas when lin dan pulls off one small stunt and he all of a sudden gets unanimous hatred from about every person in BC (who already hate him enough)

Honestly speaking,seeing from the small things,not from the incidents..like what appears on TV during matches n championship,TH's face n LD's face in matches has already tells the difference.LD's face filled with arrogancy as being big in badminton."I'm no 1" that kind of face,n he'll do anything to keep his title,while TH doesn't even bother to be no 1.TH plays in whatever shape he like on that time.Sometimes "ogah-ogahan",playing like someone who just got out of sleep,n some other time "playing like a mad-man"."Semau gue"(As my favor):p that kind of personality,but still,TH beat LD in big matches,matches that matters so much in athletes life,like AG,WC,n it's TH took the OG title as well.:cool:..that's why i like TH.:cool:

However,they're both "badBoy" in badminton.The difference,is one's a "natural,born-bad boy","easy-burned by emotions"..n the other one is the "wannabe"..:cool:

Remember,ppl like us don't get paid to choose which players do we like.We observes n we decides for idolizing which players we like.:cool:

http://www.56.com/u26/v_MjgxOTI5Mjc.html

Looking from this video. The shuttle is clearly out, Lin Dan was robbed! All I can say the linesmans in this final match is very patriotic!!!

http://www.56.com/u26/v_MjgxOTI5Mjc.html

Looking from this video. The shuttle is clearly out, Lin Dan was robbed! All I can say the linesmans in this final match is very patriotic!!!

i agree. lindan was the victim.

I think most previous reports didn't show this. If this is true, I would understand what he did.

aiyo, most chinese, educated or non-educated, be it from china, hong kong, sinagpore or malaysia will speak dirty words even during normal conversations. for example, during dinner time, mah jong time, chit chatting time, etc etc.

if you are a chinese and if you are a guy, don't tell me that you have not used the "mother" word.

so, i would not buy lin dan's explanations that he threw his racket at Li Mao because Li Mao used dirty words!

Then again, i understand that his actions was due to "the heat of the moment" thingy. I think he should just apologise to Li Mao and fans and from now on, let his results do the talking.

watever it is..i still support lindan n the rest of china badminton team.

JIAYOU.

aiyo, most chinese, educated or non-educated, be it from china, hong kong, sinagpore or malaysia will speak dirty words even during normal conversations. for example, during dinner time, mah jong time, chit chatting time, etc etc.

if you are a chinese and if you are a guy, don't tell me that you have not used the "mother" word.

so, i would not buy lin dan's explanations that he threw his racket at Li Mao because Li Mao used dirty words!

Then again, i understand that his actions was due to "the heat of the moment" thingy. I think he should just apologise to Li Mao and fans and from now on, let his results do the talking.

It depends on your personality...

I guarantee that if someone is to use the "mother" word or any kind of curse word towards any of my family... NOBODY will be able to stop me from beating the living he*l out of him... be that with a racket or not.:mad:

aiyo, most chinese, educated or non-educated, be it from china, hong kong, sinagpore or malaysia will speak dirty words even during normal conversations. for example, during dinner time, mah jong time, chit chatting time, etc etc.

if you are a chinese and if you are a guy, don't tell me that you have not used the "mother" word.

so, i would not buy lin dan's explanations that he threw his racket at Li Mao because Li Mao used dirty words!

Then again, i understand that his actions was due to "the heat of the moment" thingy. I think he should just apologise to Li Mao and fans and from now on, let his results do the talking.

That's ridiculous ever!

I wont take ur statement as nation bashing but, if Malaysian coaches never rush into court against opposing players with dirty words, it is because Malaysians dont have any daily rude remarks?

you're just mixing up day-to-day life with court manner, which seems to have Limao released from the "should-not" case.

Taufik is more than happy to give that title away :D
Haiya Lin Dan, you have so many fan in the world and yet did something so disappointing ...

not really, I'm a LD fan and I'm not really disappointed :D

I don't understand one thing that people keep saying and that LD posted on the blog. He said he is still a champion and that the bad line called "cost" him the match. Its not like the line call was at 20-19 for LD. They ended up playing the next few points out and its not like LD lost on the next rally, he did end up winning the next point and then LHI finished it in the next few points. So even if the call was called out LD would still have to play out the next rally and who knows how that would have gone? Maybe he would have lost anyway, LHI was playing very well, hence the really close games.

I don't understand one thing that people keep saying and that LD posted on the blog. He said he is still a champion and that the bad line called "cost" him the match. Its not like the line call was at 20-19 for LD. They ended up playing the next few points out and its not like LD lost on the next rally, he did end up winning the next point and then LHI finished it in the next few points. So even if the call was called out LD would still have to play out the next rally and who knows how that would have gone? Maybe he would have lost anyway, LHI was playing very well, hence the really close games.
that line call caused LHI to go 1 point ahead of LD (22-21).
otherwise, LD will go ahead (21-22).
then he won 2 matches continuously, it should have been 21-23 instead of 22-23. that is what he meant i believe.

i'm a malaysian, and i still think LD should have won the match.

I have watched the match from begining to the end. From what I see, LD did nearly everything wrong!

When the shuttle was call in LD was dissatisfied and complain to the umpire. That was not wrong, that was his right. What he did after that were all wrong.

(1) He tried to talk to LHI. That was a mindgame.That is a tactic that is commonly use by Chinese players even during Lee Yong Bo' s time. LYB is a master of using this tactic. However , I must say that not all Chinese players use this kind of mindgame tactic. LD clearly tried to upset LHI too so that they are even in terms of psychology. LHI was alert and not perturbed.

(2) When Li Mao stood up to ensure the empire did not succumb to pressure, LD threw racket at LM!! What kind of attitude was that! Come on, badminton is a gentlemen sport. This kind of gangster behaviour is totally not acceptable. If LD was angry at LM he could have shouted back at him. How can he throw racket at LM?? LD shoud be penalized by badminton federation for his behaviour. He brought shame to the sport!

(3) When LM shouted back and have a verbal fight with LD they were seperated by officials. However when LD get back his racket from one of the officials he tried to turn back to hit LM!! Luckily he was stopped by the offcials again. What kind of world number 1 player is this?? What kind of world champion is this? What a shame! I must say his skill is first class but his attitude and manners are 3 class. May be even 4 class! And hs is only making a fool of himself because he has shown his true colour in front of million people around the world. What ever he did was recorded! There is no way for him to talk his way out. He threw racket and try to hit LM were recorded and all of us can see them at you tube and some other thread.

I want to openly urge respective authority to penalize Lin Dan. This will ensure rude and ridiculious behaviour will not happen on badminton court again.
if i were you i would stop posting about this subject. you are basically spewing out wrong information without looking at what actually happened. you are embarrassing yourself and other malaysian fans alike. this is the reason why people on this board have such a bias against certain malaysian badminton fans.

That kind of argument is ridiculous though. LD took two points after the incident doesn't mean if there is not such incident he can still take two points consecutively. Otherwise all those "towel-break" tricks should be useless. If after the towel-break you lose two points quickly, does that mean if there is no towel-break, you should still lose these two points quickly? I don't think so.

LD's claim that he should be champion if there is no bad call is not well supported. He reached 20:18 in the 3rd game and let LHI won 3 points in a row. Was there any bad call that helped LHI in these 3 points? NO. So there is no reason that his win is guaranteed if he leaded 22:21.

that line call caused LHI to go 1 point ahead of LD (22-21).
otherwise, LD will go ahead (21-22).
then he won 2 matches continuously, it should have been 21-23 instead of 22-23. that is what he meant i believe.

i'm a malaysian, and i still think LD should have won the match.

if i were you i would stop posting about this subject. you are basically spewing out wrong information without looking at what actually happened. you are embarrassing yourself and other malaysian fans alike. this is the reason why people on this board have such a bias against certain malaysian badminton fans.

alright, ladies and gentlemen (and that means everybody), things are starting to get a bit heated.

please calm down.

Exactly. I don't think Taufik did anything spectacular the past few years. Yes he did walk out without finishing the game, but that's nothing compared to the LD incident: a player tried to hit the opponent's coach... Even Taufik hitting a fan was a bit less spectacular in my opinion...

That's just utterly ridiculous... Haven't you seen the threads from back during the Taufik incidents? There are easily just as many Taufik "haters" as there are Lin Dan "haters" (I am neither...). Taufik got JUST as much negative comments as Lin Dan. Of course people won't be talking about Taufik NOW because PEOPLE GET OVER THIS SORT OF STUFF. And Lin Dan hasn't just pulled off "one small stunt". He's pulled off just as many as Taufik. Don't make silly comparisons...

And EVERY member of BC? Hardly... Even in this very thread I can see very many people who are still supportive of him. Just like everything else, it'll die down soon enough... Just give people time to get over it. Right now it's still fresh in everyones minds.

alright, ladies and gentlemen (and that means everybody), things are starting to get a bit heated.

please calm down.
sorry kwun :o

In the Sohu interview, LD clearly said LM didn't personally attack him. He said LM

1. used some dirty words.
2. talk in a way that made him feel angry (in particular, "if all points are judged in your favor, then what's the point having this game actually played?")
3. made it clear that LM want to do his best to stop Team China to win (this made LD very angry)

Note that the "personal attack" in your quote is not really in the quotation mark, it is hard to tell whether LD really said this or the reporter just paraphrase it this way. :cool:

Also, I think the key is what LM said before LD threw the racket. Are there any personal attacks? Or just "if all points are judged in your favor, then what's the point having this game actually played?"

I think most previous reports didn't show this. If this is true, I would understand what he did.

Think of it like this....
1) Does Lin Dan have a right to complain about a bad line call? Yes he does.
2) Does Li Mao have the right to get out of his bench, start yelling, speakign to Lin Dan, and make a scene? No he doesn't. He shouldn't have moved from his spot.
3) Did Lin Dan have the right to throw his racquet @ Li Mao? Hell no.

If you look at it like this, this would have been any bad line call in sports, except when Li Mao got involved. If Li hadn't started yelling at LD, would LD have gotten really upset and thrown a racquet at somebody? In this situation, the fault doesn't only lie on the perpetrator, but also in the instigator. I mean, say LM didn't get involved. This is how said scene may have played out...

1) LD gets shocked with a bad line call. He makes a scene.
2) LD complains to umpire. Ump calls it in. LD gets pissed off and whips the bird to LHI's side and goes and wipes his face with a towel (like the China Master 2007 against LCW.)
4) Play resumes.

aiyo, most chinese, educated or non-educated, be it from china, hong kong, sinagpore or malaysia will speak dirty words even during normal conversations. for example, during dinner time, mah jong time, chit chatting time, etc etc.

if you are a chinese and if you are a guy, don't tell me that you have not used the "mother" word.

so, i would not buy lin dan's explanations that he threw his racket at Li Mao because Li Mao used dirty words!

Then again, i understand that his actions was due to "the heat of the moment" thingy. I think he should just apologise to Li Mao and fans and from now on, let his results do the talking.

If people ever says something bad about my mother and not by a joking manner, I would have my racket threw into his/her face too. :mad:

He's been no 1 for years,so i don't think he'd easily take his lose,especially if he's beaten by someone that his WR is moderately below him.Not in china.;)

Hence,he'll blame this and that as the reason why he lose.Somehow,WR no 1 means so much for this guy.So that his fans won't doubt him as someone that performance isn't stable,n not doing as a WR no 1 should do,he'd make some excuses.:rolleyes:

Besides,it's not easy for this kind of guy to feel losing.He has been pushed by chinese public n LYB to always keep his title as the no 1.While for most of chinese supporters,WR no 1 athelete will always be about winning.Most of them don't care about what other than that.

However,his action of throwing rackets to limao is not appropriate n he should be charged for that.Deduction of WR points,maybe?It'll mean so much for him,n should be a good reminder for him not to do the same thing again next time.:cool::cool:

Have you seen the last controversy call on TV? It is clearly out even from that far of an angle and if LD got that point he would have been the winner already.

LD is not making excuses for his lost and his behavior, he is telling the fact, which everyone can be witnessed clearly. LD won if the call was ruled correctly and LD was provoked by Li Mao.

It seems more to me that people are making up "points" to attack LD.

Again, LD's action is inappropriate, but I find it understandable. But people who continuously to attack LD and start to attack him personally is making me feels unacceptable.

If people ever says something bad about my mother and not by a joking manner, I would have my racket threw into his/her face too. :mad:

Maybe headbutt your opponent in the chest Zidane style. :D

alright, ladies and gentlemen (and that means everybody), things are starting to get a bit heated.

please calm down.
...for the sake of keeping this thread open, please heed to kwun's request/advice.:)
We already have 2 threads locked & I'm sure you guys still want to discuss in this thread, so please keep the discussion on topic and not veer into "personal" discussions.:cool: *if there's a badly needed urge to do so, then please reply to the intended party(ies) through PM (Private Messaging).
I'm sure others also want to post their opinions in this topic and if this thread is locked, then they wouldn't have a chance to do so.
So, please be considerate to all!!Thanks!!:):cool:

Have you seen the last controversy call on TV? It is clearly out even from that far of an angle and if LD got that point he would have been the winner already.

LD is not making excuses for his lost and his behavior, he is telling the fact, which everyone can be witnessed clearly. LD won if the call was ruled correctly and LD was provoked by Li Mao.

It seems more to me that people are making up "points" to attack LD.

Again, LD's action is inappropriate, but I find it understandable. But people who continuously to attack LD and start to attack him personally is making me feels unacceptable.

I respect your opinion but I don't think one can say Lin Dan will 100% win if the call went his way. He might have a better chance of winning but his chances of winning at 20-18 was greater than his chances at 22-21, in my opinion.

The disputed call itself did not determine the outcome of the match immediately. Lin Dan's performance after the call caused him the match. He hit into the net twice in a row to lose the match. I hate seeing matches lost on errors like this.

I respect your opinion but I don't think one can say Lin Dan will 100% win if the call went his way. He might have a better chance of winning but his chances of winning at 20-18 was greater than his chances at 22-21, in my opinion.

The disputed call itself did not determine the outcome of the match immediately. Lin Dan's performance after the call caused him the match. He hit into the net twice in a row to lose the match. I hate seeing matches lost on errors like this.

Sorry, my mistake. Thanks for the correction.

...for the sake of keeping this thread open, please heed to kwun's request/advice.:)...
..to write was "for the sake of keeping NOT JUST this thread open, but to all the threads, esp. in this 2008 Korea Open sub-forum, please heed to kwun's request/advice"..:p

I have watched the match from begining to the end. From what I see, LD did nearly everything wrong!

When the shuttle was call in LD was dissatisfied and complain to the umpire. That was not wrong, that was his right. What he did after that were all wrong.

(1) He tried to talk to LHI. That was a mindgame.That is a tactic that is commonly use by Chinese players even during Lee Yong Bo' s time. LYB is a master of using this tactic. However , I must say that not all Chinese players use this kind of mindgame tactic. LD clearly tried to upset LHI too so that they are even in terms of psychology. LHI was alert and not perturbed.

(2) When Li Mao stood up to ensure the empire did not succumb to pressure, LD threw racket at LM!! What kind of attitude was that! Come on, badminton is a gentlemen sport. This kind of gangster behaviour is totally not acceptable. If LD was angry at LM he could have shouted back at him. How can he throw racket at LM?? LD shoud be penalized by badminton federation for his behaviour. He brought shame to the sport!

(3) When LM shouted back and have a verbal fight with LD they were seperated by officials. However when LD get back his racket from one of the officials he tried to turn back to hit LM!! Luckily he was stopped by the offcials again. What kind of world number 1 player is this?? What kind of world champion is this? What a shame! I must say his skill is first class but his attitude and manners are 3 class. May be even 4 class! And hs is only making a fool of himself because he has shown his true colour in front of million people around the world. What ever he did was recorded! There is no way for him to talk his way out. He threw racket and try to hit LM were recorded and all of us can see them at you tube and some other thread.

I want to openly urge respective authority to penalize Lin Dan. This will ensure rude and ridiculious behaviour will not happen on badminton court again.

Nice story telling ....... in complete opposite.

Been reading all the MSF threads for the past 2-3 days. I tried my best to keep my mouth shut, as I don't want to get into another heated (and endless) debate. Here's my take on the inccident:

1. LD's behavior: shameful and shocked me :mad:

2. LM's behavior: totally out of his own class, and will remain to be 1 of the big topic in CHN sports world :eek:

3. Our fans behavior: I am not surprised such a debate coming up, and I am not surprised it will go no where... :cool:

I saw the video and it didn't show Lin Dan throwing the racket. If you guys have another clip, please post it because I want to see it. If you think about it, the guy can hit a shuttle dead on the line and you think he'll miss when he throws his racket at Li Mao.

People are saying that Lin Dan is totally at fault but how about Li Mao. If he's angry with Lin Dan protesting the line calls and getting it in his favor, the complain to the Umpire, he doesn't need to exchange words with Lin Dan.

But about this subject, i think we're just beating a dead horse. Lin Dan Supporter will continue to support him, and Lin Dan heater will have more of an excuse to hate him. Are we really going to get anything out of this? Just hope that BWF will find a better way to enforce line callings in future events.

If you think about it, the guy can hit a shuttle dead on the line and you think he'll miss when he throws his racket at Li Mao.


that's really funny comment. but quite true also. :)

I saw the video and it didn't show Lin Dan throwing the racket. If you guys have another clip, please post it because I want to see it. If you think about it, the guy can hit a shuttle dead on the line and you think he'll miss when he throws his racket at Li Mao...
...of LD hurling his racket (towards the end of the video) :
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51838&page=7 (post #113, 3rd link)..;)

...of LD hurling his racket (towards the end of the video) :
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51838&page=7 (post #113, 3rd link)..;)

That video is kind of misleading because it just show Lin Dan throwing it, it doesn't show Lin Dan Throwing it at Li Mao. If you look at the youtube clip at around 14-17 sec, you'll see the official coming from a different direction then where Li Mao was sitting to give the racket back to Lin Dan. Then as Lin Dan was returning to the court, Li Mao stood up to shout something out which provoke Lin Dan.

I'm not siding with anyone, but regardless both of them are wrong.

However I do have acknowledge the professionalism and respect that Lin Dan has for the audience and his opponent, for he did continue to finish the match and congratulate and shake his opponents hand at the end. Because if it was me, I would had just walked off the court after that incident.

Although I don't think it's a right action for Lin Dan, but I think it is really understandable, think about it if you are in the situation, if it's not that point, he is the champ of Korea 08 already. Beside, given that there were many bad line calls, now this critical one the umpire actually made such wrong judgment, it was totally unfair for Lin Dan. Although I am not a Lin Dan fan at all, I think people should think about his feeling before criticizing, I doubt if anyone who criticized him would be able hold his temper at the situation.

That video is kind of misleading because it just show Lin Dan throwing it, it doesn't show Lin Dan Throwing it at Li Mao. If you look at the youtube clip at around 14-17 sec, you'll see the official coming from a different direction then where Li Mao was sitting to give the racket back to Lin Dan. Then as Lin Dan was returning to the court, Li Mao stood up to shout something out which provoke Lin Dan...
..yes, the video (Korean-based) could be misleading if one hasn't seen other videos and read live accounts/reports;)...Unfortunately though, at this moment, we DON'T have any video showing the entire sequence of actions (from the moment LD reacted to the line call til the end); almost did with the video from Alphonse, though..
Fortunately, all we have now are just those videos and personal first-hand accounts, in BC, from a few people who've graciously shared what they saw. I guess we just have to go with those videos & reports/accounts as proofs of the incident and take them as they're worth.
Also, there's an article on badzine.com, not sure if you've read it or not, written and reported by another BC member, event, who was there and witnessed the whole incident.:cool:
Here's the link to the article:
http://www.badzine.info/content/view/820/2/

That's simply not true. After that point it's 22:21, either LD or LHI leading. LD wasted 3 match points (one at the end of 2nd game, two in 3rd game when he was leading 20:18) before this point (and he also wasted 1 match point after this incident), so there is no reason why this one must be different. Note that there was no controversial calls in the four match points LHI saved.

I think most players, although will be angry, will not go as far as throwing a racket.

In short, it is understandable that LD was angry, but it is not understandable that he show his anger in such a violent manner.

Although I don't think it's a right action for Lin Dan, but I think it is really understandable, think about it if you are in the situation, if it's not that point, he is the champ of Korea 08 already. Beside, given that there were many bad line calls, now this critical one the umpire actually made such wrong judgment, it was totally unfair for Lin Dan. Although I am not a Lin Dan fan at all, I think people should think about his feeling before criticizing, I doubt if anyone who criticized him would be able hold his temper at the situation.

well, that's true, it's really not right to do that, but I can understand where the anger is coming from, beside in Li Mao's feedback, he never mentioned a word about what he said to Lin Dan, I bet he knows he is guilty of it

for that point, if the judge gave that point to Lin Dan, he could have win the game already, the next point was won by Lin Dan. And talking about a critical point like this, it would affect a player a lot, if the mistake was not made, things could have been much different

yea, I guess not MANY people would go there far when they are mad, but the thing is, many people started to judge Lin Dan on a personally level, and I doubt if they could handle the situation well when they are actually in it.

You cannot add points like that. As I have said, sometimes players use "towel-break" trick. After like 20 seconds' break, the momentum on court may totally change. Based on LD's performance at the other 4 match points, I think it's fair to say if he was leading 22:21, he would have big chance to take the title, but it's still far from guaranteed.

I actually believe most ppl would not act as madly as LD. In fact I don't think LM had expected LD's reaction to be this violent. :cool:

well, that's true, it's really not right to do that, but I can understand where the anger is coming from, beside in Li Mao's feedback, he never mentioned a word about what he said to Lin Dan, I bet he knows he is guilty of it

for that point, if the judge gave that point to Lin Dan, he could have win the game already, the next point was won by Lin Dan. And talking about a critical point like this, it would affect a player a lot, if the mistake was not made, things could have been much different

yea, I guess not MANY people would go there far when they are mad, but the thing is, many people started to judge Lin Dan on a personally level, and I doubt if they could handle the situation well when they are actually in it.

for that point, if the judge gave that point to Lin Dan, he could have win the game already, the next point was won by Lin Dan. And talking about a critical point like this, it would affect a player a lot, if the mistake was not made, things could have been much different

yea, I guess not MANY people would go there far when they are mad, but the thing is, many people started to judge Lin Dan on a personally level, and I doubt if they could handle the situation well when they are actually in it.

By now, you would have read the comparisions made with China Open 2007 MS Finals on controversial calls. The comparision was LCW situation was worse, in the fact that the bad line calls werent over ruled(there were 3 to 5), LCW didnt do anything close to what LD did.

Whether or not LD was aiming at Li Mao, he threw his racket, and threw it to the opposite side of the court. Unless others have it taped on their private cam, the tv cameras were caught unaware, took a few sec to have the 2nd camera showing the drama part.
The photographers also only caught the scenes after the racket throwing incident

In fact I don't think LM had expected LD's reaction to be this violent. :cool:
And I don't think LD quite expected LM or any opposing coach for that matter to get off his chair and start scolding LD. I think 'scolding' is the closest thing I can to describe it.

Like a father scolding a little kid lol. And the little kid in turn threw a temper tantrum and ended up throwing more than just his temper. :eek:;)

A better word is "complaining". If you watch the video carefully, you can see that LD was normal about 3 - 4 seconds before he threw the racket. So I believe what LM said is exactly "If all points are judged in your favor, then what's the point having this match played?" ( I tried the Chinese sentence, it would take at least 2 - 3 seconds, so there is simply no time for LM to say anything else. The only thing he can do may be to spice it up to "F***, if all points are ..." ). I don't think it's "scolding".

What LYB said to LCW (not the famous "break his leg" which LYB denied), "Haven't learned anything good, but learned everything bad", that's "scolding". :D

And I don't think LD quite expected LM or any opposing coach for that matter to get off his chair and start scolding LD. I think 'scolding' is the closest thing I can to describe it.

Like a father scolding a little kid lol. And the little kid in turn threw a temper tantrum and ended up throwing more than just his temper. :eek:;)

Hey come on, don't talk about momentum, the fact is the next point did go to Lin Dan, and if it's not the wrong call, he got the title already, you can talk about all kinds of factors, like what if an earthquake happens or Korea suddenly sink.

I am not fighting for Lin Dan, I just feel that the umpire was ridiculous, and I don't even agree with Lin Dan's action, but hey, Li Mao gotta take up some responsibility too

Exactly, there is absolutely no guarantee that LD would have won if he got that point. Just cause he won the next two rallies doesn't mean anything. First of all if LD would have won the point he would be serving not LHI which right away changes the situation and that whole next rally means nothing. How can anyone even think that if he did get that point that the next rallies would be the same?? That's ridiculous. Like I just mentioned it would be a different server plus LHI would then be down one point instead of up so that changes the whole situation, its so variable you can't say for sure who would have won the game.

I am not saying that LHI would have won either way, I really don't care who won I'm just saying that people need to look at this from a logical point of view.

And no I am not arguing that waht the line judge did is right, that's beside the point, its people making stupid assumptions about this is frustrating.

Because LM is giving back their own medicine. Only LD has himself to blame for overreacting. I admit im having some fun watching all this drama and making fun of him. :p

ill be making fun of LCW when he loses to lin dan at olympic game :p

You must understand the Malaysian mentality in the first place.

We have this battle cry called Malaysia Boleh. You know, sabre rattling stuff basically. As a badminton playing nation with top notch facilities for badminton and having the game well supported and funded by the government, we have yet to win that WC or that Olympic gold. So, to cover this major shortcoming, we hold on to LYB's "leg breaking" thingy as one of the reasons why LCW is unable to perform and deliver titles like LD.

so basically malaysians are just finding excuses for LCW losing all the time :rolleyes:

so basically malaysians are just finding excuses for LCW losing all the time :rolleyes:

lol losing ALL THE TIME? hello who just won the MO? :rolleyes:

If there's any fault wih MAS fans is they expect LCW to win everytime. Not even Tiger Woods or Federer, probably the two most dominating sports figures in their respective field wins every single time.

But we're getting off topic now...back to your regularly scheduled programmiing..

That's a great argument! I don't know anyone would still think the rally will develop in the same way even if the server is changed...

Exactly, there is absolutely no guarantee that LD would have won if he got that point. Just cause he won the next two rallies doesn't mean anything. First of all if LD would have won the point he would be serving not LHI which right away changes the situation and that whole next rally means nothing. How can anyone even think that if he did get that point that the next rallies would be the same?? That's ridiculous. Like I just mentioned it would be a different server plus LHI would then be down one point instead of up so that changes the whole situation, its so variable you can't say for sure who would have won the game.

I am not saying that LHI would have won either way, I really don't care who won I'm just saying that people need to look at this from a logical point of view.

Hi Kwun,

I suggest you close all the threads regarding LD's controversial action.
There is no point having these discussion because people just would not accept the fact that LD's was the 1st one at fault for throwing the racket. Furthermore, there are some who tried to manipulate the entire situation by making it seems like LiMao was first to verbally abused LD's that caused him to threw the racket.
And there are people who are just couldn't handle the facts and start randomly firing other with nasty and some unrelated racist comments.
What is the outcome of all these discussion, I say nothing. All the facts are out there already, let them judge for themselves, no point discussing over and over again.
Everyone have different standard of morale, I might add some are very poor here.

Simp

Hi Kwun,

I suggest you close all the threads regarding LD's controversial action.
There is no point having these discussion because people just would not accept the fact that LD's was the 1st one at fault for throwing the racket. Furthermore, there are some who tried to manipulate the entire situation by making it seems like LiMao was first to verbally abused LD's that cause him to threw the racket.
And there are people who are just couldn't handle the facts and start randomly firing other with nasty and some unrelated racist comments.
What is the outcome of all these discussion, I say nothing. All the facts are out there already, let them judge for themselves, no point discussing over and over again.
Everyone have different standard of morale, I might add some are very poor here.

Simp
You'd think that LM would do something to piss LD off if LD was gonna throw a racquet at him. Anyways, shouldn't this be a pm? This may have instigated even more violent discussions cause you've made it public...

Hi Kwun,

I suggest you close all the threads regarding LD's controversial action.
There is no point having these discussion because people just would not accept the fact that LD's was the 1st one at fault for throwing the racket. Furthermore, there are some who tried to manipulate the entire situation by making it seems like LiMao was first to verbally abused LD's that caused him to threw the racket.
And there are people who are just couldn't handle the facts and start randomly firing other with nasty and some unrelated racist comments.
What is the outcome of all these discussion, I say nothing. All the facts are out there already, let them judge for themselves, no point discussing over and over again.
Everyone have different standard of morale, I might add some are very poor here.

Simp

its a forum......we discuss things here whether we be right or wrong......like i said the only ones who know what went on were the players themselves

Right its a discussion...only ppl who don't like open discussion are those who feel that somehow their views or opinions are the only correct ones and feel threatened when brought out in the open. I know in some countries they even lock ppl up for that , go figure.
As long as its civil why put a muzzle on it?

Right its a discussion...only ppl who don't like open discussion are those who feel that somehow their views or opinions are the only correct ones and feel threatened when brought out in the open. I know in some countries they even lock ppl up for that , go figure.
As long as its civil why put a muzzle on it?
His complaint was biased anyways.

..we haven't read, at least i haven't, seen a post from Oldhand on this issue....He's been silent...Hmm, where is he, btw??...hmm..:confused: :cool:

..we haven't read, at least i haven't, seen a post from Oldhand on this issue....He's been silent...Hmm, where is he, btw??...hmm..:confused: :cool:

if he chooses to be silent. then please respect his choice. don't "pull him into the water".

Hi Kwun,

I suggest you close all the threads regarding LD's controversial action.
There is no point having these discussion because people just would not accept the fact that LD's was the 1st one at fault for throwing the racket. Furthermore, there are some who tried to manipulate the entire situation by making it seems like LiMao was first to verbally abused LD's that caused him to threw the racket.
And there are people who are just couldn't handle the facts and start randomly firing other with nasty and some unrelated racist comments.
What is the outcome of all these discussion, I say nothing. All the facts are out there already, let them judge for themselves, no point discussing over and over again.
Everyone have different standard of morale, I might add some are very poor here.

Simp

IMHO, both LD n LM are at fault... first, LD shudnt have thrown the racket at LM (still, some said that the racket was 5 o 6 metres away from LM, so it couldnt have possibly hit LM).. secondly, LM shudnt have provoked LD... its the umpire's call.. not theirs.. although the shuttle might have been out, u noe it, we noe it.. there are just TOO many bad line calls whole darn WEEK!!!!

if he chooses to be silent. then please respect his choice. don't "pull him into the water".
:D..that's right...we gotta keep someone "on land" in case the others get "swept away"..:p ;)

ill be making fun of LCW when he loses to lin dan at olympic game :p

To be exact, u should wait until LCW throw his racket to LYB in beijing. :p

You'd think that LM would do something to piss LD off if LD was gonna throw a racquet at him. Anyways, shouldn't this be a pm? This may have instigated even more violent discussions cause you've made it public...
The reason for making it public is I hope some people learn how other's felt and get over this ordeal. Badzine had revealed the entire incident, but it seemed like some are really trying hard to manipulate the situation by fabricating stories.

it's best if everyone just tone down on this matter... no big deal.. its over.. well, both of dem gave their version of the stories.. no matter hw much everyone argue in here, makes no difference.. peace! :D

Honestly speaking,seeing from the small things,not from the incidents..like what appears on TV during matches n championship,TH's face n LD's face in matches has already tells the difference.LD's face filled with arrogancy as being big in badminton."I'm no 1" that kind of face,n he'll do anything to keep his title,while TH doesn't even bother to be no 1.TH plays in whatever shape he like on that time.Sometimes "ogah-ogahan",playing like someone who just got out of sleep,n some other time "playing like a mad-man"."Semau gue"(As my favor):p that kind of personality,but still,TH beat LD in big matches,matches that matters so much in athletes life,like AG,WC,n it's TH took the OG title as well.:cool:..that's why i like TH.:cool:

However,they're both "badBoy" in badminton.The difference,is one's a "natural,born-bad boy","easy-burned by emotions"..n the other one is the "wannabe"..:cool:

Remember,ppl like us don't get paid to choose which players do we like.We observes n we decides for idolizing which players we like.:cool:

Interesting observation. A badboy and a wannabe, hmm.... sounds quite true also.... :p

yeah i agree....anyway no matter what all parties that involved in this matter should take their own responsibility...the line juge,lin dan and li mao...no point of blaming each other on what happened in KO..this incident already passed and we should move on rather than fighting with each other =X

Simp, I read the article on Badzine too....can you point out exactly where in the article it mentioned that LD was the first one to fault? Even if he is I like to know where it mentioned that in the article like you said.
As for LM's part in Badzine vs your interpretation ( there are some who tried to manipulate the entire situation by making it seems like LiMao was first to verbally abused LD's that cause him to threw the racket.) How do you explain for this quote from badzine:
from badzine:
It was apparent that Li Mao's words had provoked and pushed Lin Dan to the breaking point, as Lin Dan mindlessly and disdainfully tossed his racket towards his antagonist Li.

So who is fabricating what here?

IMHO, both LD n LM are at fault... first, LD shudnt have thrown the racket at LM (still, some said that the racket was 5 o 6 metres away from LM, so it couldnt have possibly hit LM).. secondly, LM shudnt have provoked LD... its the umpire's call.. not theirs.. although the shuttle might have been out, u noe it, we noe it.. there are just TOO many bad line calls whole darn WEEK!!!!
I agree, coaches shouldn't intervene. However, you must also understand the umpire had already overruled twice in favor of LD. And please remember LM and HTK had no clear sight of the shuttle. Furthermore, LD was making lots of noise everytime when bad call arise, why cant he talk to the umpire properly instead of shouting. Anyway, in the game of badminton no one is allowed influence the umpire or linesmen discissions, and clearly LD is violating that from the very beginning. Look, lets put it this way, you can shout, you can argue, but physical violence is unacceptable in our society today.

when china played dirty tricks to let bao chunlai win the china open 2007, they should have expected there will be a payback time in future, where their players get diff treatment too..

just accept the fact, u have lost! move on..

beside, this just show how uncivilised chinese ppl are..be it li mao or lin dan
i really don see the point of 2 adult chinese ppl fighting on the court..
its pure stupidity

Simp, I read the article on Badzine too....can you point out exactly where in the article it mentioned that LD was the first one to fault? Even if he is I like to know where it mentioned that in the article like you said.
..Simp84 was referring to this report (highlighted in brown)...And from all the posts i've read, most of them acknowledge that LD threw and also "at fault" for initiating the incident...so..:
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KOREA OPEN: Sparks and Racquets Fly in Final
Written by Don Hearn
Sunday, 27 January 2008
Shuttles, harsh words, and even racquets flew in today's men's singles final in Seoul when the umpire refused to correct a disputed call that gave Lee Hyun Il his first match point in game 3.

By Don Hearn, Live in Seoul. Photos: Badmintonphoto.com (Live)

The match had been tense all the way through and the umpire was very busy, correcting 4 calls by the line judges and calling each player for reaching over the net.

At 20-all in the tight third game, the line judge called a shuttle in and this time, the umpire refused to make a correction. Lin Dan went livid and began screaming at the umpire, then at Lee Hyun Il and finally threw his racquet past the umpire and past Korean coach Li Mao.

Li Mao then stormed toward Lin and things threatened to get physical with the Chinese coaches entering the fray as well but the tournament referees rushed in to calm things down and the match continued.

Lee kept his cool and finished the match, winning 4-21, 23-21, 25-23 to take his first Korea Open win ever. After the match, he was his usual soft-spoken self, even while expressing his joy at his first home title.

Asked what Lin Dan had said to him after the controversial call, Lee replied "He asked me 'You saw that shot! Wasn't it out?' but it's the line judge's call."

Simp, I read the article on Badzine too....can you point out exactly where in the article it mentioned that LD was the first one to fault? Even if he is I like to know where it mentioned that in the article like you said.
As for LM's part in Badzine vs your interpretation ( How do you explain for this quote from badzine:

Does that matter whether he is first at fault or not? What he did is still totally unacceptable, not to mention bringing shame to badminton.

I agree, coaches shouldn't intervene. However, you must also understand the umpire had already overruled twice in favor of LD. And please remember LM and HTK had no clear sight of the shuttle. Furthermore, LD was making lots of noise everytime when bad call arise, why cant he talk to the umpire properly instead of shouting. Anyway, in the game of badminton no one is allowed influence the umpire or linesmen discissions, and clearly LD is violating that from the very beginning. Look, lets put it this way, you can shout, you can argue, but physical violence is unacceptable in our society today.
Doesn't matter if LD had a bunch of bad calls reversed in favour of him. A bad call is a bad call; nothing in the laws state that LD couldn't complain, and of course everybody knows of Korea's infamous line judges who are notorious for being biased. But for LM, the laws state that he, as a coach, is not allowed to move from his coaching bench. And remember, if LM has no clear sight of the shuttle, why is he going up and talking to LD, why is he going trying to influence the umpire's decision to keep the call? Clearly LM is violating this from the very beginning! If you look at it this way, the clear source of these problems, the biased line calls, are unacceptable in our badminton society today!

exactly who cares who was at fault first but apparently there's ppl who think LD was "first at fault"...not my own words...those are their words. reading comprehension ftw.

At 20-all in the tight third game, the line judge called a shuttle in and this time, the umpire refused to make a correction. Lin Dan went livid and began screaming at the umpire, then at Lee Hyun Il and finally threw his racquet past the umpire and past Korean coach Li Mao.


I read that too but where in that did it say or infered that "LD was first at fault" which he claimed the article did? I'm curious to know. I'm not trying to be difficult and maybe I'm missing something.

And my second query from my previous post that I posed was still not answered ..the one about LM's role and BCers fabricating stories. So can someone Back up his claims?

exactly who cares who was at fault first but apparently there's ppl who think LD was "first at fault"...not my own words...those are their words. reading comprehension ftw.
Let me ask you a question, is it ok to physically attack another person?
Lets say if a friend said something that you think is unpleasant to your ears, you got annoyed and you beat him up. Are you at fault?
Please just answer a simple question like this, if you still think your friend is at fault and you are righteous, then good luck to you the future.
Anyway, this will be my last post in this topic. All the best to you.

Let me ask you a question, is it ok to physically attack another person?
Lets say if a friend said something that you think is unpleasant to your ears, you got annoyed and you beat him up. Are you at fault?
Please just answer a simple question like this, if you still think your friend is at fault and you are righteous, then good luck to you the future.
Anyway, this will be my last post in this topic. All the best to you.
it depends on what he said.

lol now point out where did I say LD is Not at fault...see ppl see things that aren't there when they don't like it.
Besides noone mentioned anything about who should be "1st at fault" but you. I dont care who is or isn't.

Again if you're going to accuse ppl of "racism" or "fabricating stories" those are pretty serious. And not backing it up and leaving the discussion...well I don't have to say anymore.

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well i guess he will be the first in the history book being a player throwing a racket at somebody.

u guessed wrong, TH did it before LD. Whether the intended receiver is happy to receive it is another matter.
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hey taufik threw this racket to the crowd..right after he won the Doha Asian Games Mens Single 2006 (beating Lin Dan)....:)...the only i time i remembered Taufik broke his racket was during the TC 2002 Final in China..when he played Lee Tsuen Tseng (bad line call, his smash was in..but called out by the Referee- the Thay lady..narathong sumpracung ..)....he slammed his new MP 99 to the ground and broke it...I saw Flandy tried to calm him down..

At 20-all in the tight third game, the line judge called a shuttle in and this time, the umpire refused to make a correction. Lin Dan went livid and began screaming at the umpire, then at Lee Hyun Il and finally threw his racquet past the umpire and past Korean coach Li Mao.
I read that too but where in that did it say or infered that "LD was first at fault" which he claimed the article did? I'm curious to know. I'm not trying to be difficult and maybe I'm missing something.

And my second query from my previous post that I posed was still not answered ..the one about LM's role and BCers fabricating stories. So can someone Back up his claims?
..according to that highlighted post, there was no mention, letter by letter or word by word, that says "LinDan was first at fault". However, the whole incident, according to Simp84, escalated from the above report/part highlighted in bold, which of course, focused on LinDan. That's what's implied, if i understood, by Simp84's comment that "LinDan was first at fault".
And I think most people would understand/acknowledge that.:cool:

As for the 2nd inquiry, I'll let Simp84 or anyone else do the..............detective work..:p ;)

..according to the article, and that highlighted post, there was no mention letter by letter that "LinDan was first at fault". However, the whole incident, according to Simp84's opinion, escalated from the above report, which of course, focused on LinDan. I think most people would understand that.

As for the 2nd inquiry, I'll let Simp84 do the...........detective work..:p ;)
Apparently he's going from anyone who thinks LD isn't "first at fault" must think he isn't at fault at all. Nice logical thinking.

Plus making the assumption that I must disagree with him since I raised doubts on his "facts".
Really it doesn't matter what I think ( and most of the readers don't care anyway) but there're alot of holes in his logic which I'm just respectfully pointing out.

Not arguing on that. But doesnt change the fact that he is the world no1 with the worst ever behaviour :cool:

At the end of the day, what matters are the titles won. 10/20 years from now, LD will be remembered for the titles he won, not how he threw that racquet. ;)

so basically malaysians are just finding excuses for LCW losing all the time :rolleyes:

Well .... all I am going to say is ..... Malaysia Boleh!! ;)

That's what's implied, if i understood, by Simp84's comment that "LinDan was first at fault".
And I think most people would understand/acknowledge that.:cool:

I'll grant you that that it could imply "fault" and guilt. But to say "first at fault" you're already making a judgement call before all the facts are in. If you see a news report on a crime scene, do you immediately claim judge and jury before any investigation had even begun? The article is just like any news report, not a jury report.

Hey come on, don't talk about momentum, the fact is the next point did go to Lin Dan, and if it's not the wrong call, he got the title already, you can talk about all kinds of factors, like what if an earthquake happens or Korea suddenly sink.

I am not fighting for Lin Dan, I just feel that the umpire was ridiculous, and I don't even agree with Lin Dan's action, but hey, Li Mao gotta take up some responsibility too

I have a suggestion to the badminton federation, why don't we take out all the lines judges in next Korea Open and let the player call the line. It will probably more fair and less controversial. :)

My feeling is if he threw the racket at Li Mao (which I did not know happened), he is going to be fined or suspended. No two ways about it. But the threatening swing of his racket at Li Mao is enough to put me off LD for a long time.

Ha, late to this very exciting discussion. Just read the blog post of LD and others' contributions. Just a couple of comments:


it is refreshing for the Chinese players (read LD here) to be at the receiving end of the short stick for once. I have seen many videos/instances of foreign players being given the dodgy line call treatments in every year's CO (starting from WCH's defence of his title many years back) but none complained the way LD did. Some are very obviously bias such as this year's final bet LCW & BCL.
it is rather funny to read LD commenting about what LM should do or not do as a Chinese national which is totally irrelevant. LM is a professional and it does not matter if he is dealing with LD, who happens to be a Chinese.
in my humble opinion, both LD & LM are at fault over the incidents and WBF should definitely initiate some rule change to ensure that such situation is accounted for. In fact one definite rule change of some sort (I don't know how) is to penalise purposeful walkovers conceded to fellow countrymen like what the Chinese team often do.

I'll grant you that that it could imply "fault" and guilt. But to say "first at fault" you're already making a judgement call before all the facts are in. If you see a news report on a crime scene, do you immediately claim judge and jury before any investigation had even begun? The article is just like any news report, not a jury report.
...*gulp* i hope i'm not reading that as i'm the one, now, putting a judgement call?!?!..:confused: :(:p
:)Anyway, as mentioned, the article was reported & written by our own BC member, event (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=8145) (Mr. Don Hearn). He witnessed what happened, first hand, at the tourney, and we can only trust his report/that article/facts....Btw, i've also wondered whether he would come in here and share more w/us abt this..:confused: :cool:

...*gulp* i hope i'm not reading that as i'm the one, now, putting a judgement call?!?!..:confused: :(:p

Let me clarify my point:
There's nothing wrong with making that judgement call. That's each person's perogative. We all do that.

But since we don't have all the facts surrounding the event yet, that judgement call is not the final call..meaning it doesn't mean "case closed..we know who all the responsible perpetrators are, that there is no need for further discussion as the case is an open n shut case. That anyone who suggests anything more to it, are trying to fabricate the facts." That is exactly what Simp is claiming to be in his post which I begged to differ.

We all have our own opinions and viewpoints on certain matters but when someone claims that their opinions are "facts" and therefore anything else is just lies when clearly we don't have all the facts yet, then they are either very biased or just ignorant or both. Still I would have more respect for their opinion even if I didn't agree with them if they had not run away and hide the moment they were put to the test.

Ha, late to this very exciting discussion. Just read the blog post of LD and others' contributions. Just a couple of comments:

it is refreshing for the Chinese players (read LD here) to be at the receiving end of the short stick for once. I have seen many videos/instances of foreign players being given the dodgy line call treatments in every year's CO (starting from WCH's defence of his title many years back) but none complained the way LD did. Some are very obviously bias such as this year's final bet LCW & BCL.
it is rather funny to read LD commenting about what LM should do or not do as a Chinese national which is totally irrelevant. LM is a professional and it does not matter if he is dealing with LD, who happens to be a Chinese.
in my humble opinion, both LD & LM are at fault over the incidents and WBF should definitely initiate some rule change to ensure that such situation is accounted for. In fact one definite rule change of some sort (I don't know how) is to penalise purposeful walkovers conceded to fellow countrymen like what the Chinese team often do.

I think I agree with almost everything you said. However, LM reacted accordingly because he had to stomach 4 reverse decisions based on LD's protests. To sit and not have done anything, he would easily have been accused of inaction. He quite rightfully said to LD that LD cannot win all the protests and to get back to playing which of course, antagonised LD.

In this case, LD overreacted to LM and his aggresiveness will cost him in the inquiry with BWF. LM might get away with a warning at most.

Let me clarify my point:
There's nothing wrong with making that judgement call. That's each person's perogative. We all do that...
:p..*looks around*...all i did was trying to "assist" in explaining Simp84's point of contention (if i understood it) and now i'm under a gun *cry**cry*:crying::p:crying::(...
btw, in no way my own personal opinion is related or associated w/Simp84's opinion..:cool:
:) Anyway, what you wrote the rest of the way in your post, i would somewhat concur..;)

...He quite rightfully said to LD that LD cannot win all the protests and to get back to playing which of course, antagonised LD.

In this case, LD overreacted to LM and his aggresiveness will cost him in the inquiry with BWF. LM might get away with a warning at most.
..well, that's the other side of the argument ;):
- What does the rule say about the coach's limit/boundary to the opposing players/umpire/playing area? (like what Loh pointed out (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51838&page=6)(post #106) in the other thread)..
- Did he only say those words?? Or were there more than what he said? LD has a different account of what LM said (according to his blog); while LM probably would say, that's all he said. Same thing w/ what LinDan said. So, at the end, it'll be a case of "he said and he said" (possibly w/ no "neutral" person(s) in the middle).:p
- And by looking at the videos, that have been shared w/us, did LM's actions (intentionally or unintentionally), before & after he was initially separated, also provoke the latter reaction by LD??..

I think those will be somewhat brought to the forefront, if they do hold the supposed meeting w/BWF.

ctjcad you make me laugh..I mean that in a good way ;).
Anyways the AE's can't come any sooner..

Does not matter who first started it (though in my opinion the linejudge started it whether intentional or not), but Lin Dan's throw of the racquet targetting someone else was the biggest wrongdoing.

Lin Dan will definitely not get banned for this incident.
There is way too much negative bias towards Lin Dan here to even begin arguing some logic for some.

Lin Dan will definitely not get banned for this incident.
There is way too much negative bias towards Lin Dan here to even begin arguing some logic for some.
well..in this case, Why TH get punished by walking out?? was that fair to TH too??
There are many bias comments for TH also in the last 2 years and no one said anything....TH got many bias comments in this BC also...

...Anyways the AE's can't come any sooner..
..the German Open tourney will come sooner, in about 4 weeks..:cool:

I am goi ng to scan the article appeared this morning at South Morning China Post..written by reuters in Beijing..

If thbis report is right, then not good news for Zhong Bo and LIn Dan, basically the article seems to suggest that China started the scuffle..and LD refuses to apologize..
I am going to put it here...not good in computer stuff...

according to kompas newspaper...

"lindan refuses to apologize for what happened in the MS final of korea open 2008"

Pls see the article that I scan...if someone can paste it...pls help!!

I am goi ng to scan the article appeared this morning at South Morning China Post..written by reuters in Beijing..

If thbis report is right, then not good news for Zhong Bo and LIn Dan, basically the article seems to suggest that China started the scuffle..and LD refuses to apologize..
I am going to put it here...not good in computer stuff...
...aiyah, Hau-ge ah, no need to scan lah....Find or search South Morning China Post website and try to see if you can find their online article ar...Faster for you, faster for us, too! *just a tip..:) :cool:
Anyway, nevermind, we can see-thx;)

...aiyah, Hau-ge ah, no need to scan lah....Find or search South Morning China Post website and try to see if you can find their online article ar...Faster for you, faster for us, too! *just a tip..:) :cool:
Anyway, nevermind, we can see-thx;)
No..in South Morning China post, you have subcribed and pay for it....hehe...
You can try www.smcp.cpm (http://www.smcp.cpm), but you can not read whole story....

Pls see the article that I scan...if someone can paste it...pls help!!

you can use scansoft omnipage software... the scanner will output the document not image.. then you can edit it in office editor and you can copy and paste them into BC forum

Think of it like this....
1) Does Lin Dan have a right to complain about a bad line call? Yes he does.
2) Does Li Mao have the right to get out of his bench, start yelling, speakign to Lin Dan, and make a scene? No he doesn't. He shouldn't have moved from his spot.
3) Did Lin Dan have the right to throw his racquet @ Li Mao? Hell no.

If you look at it like this, this would have been any bad line call in sports, except when Li Mao got involved. If Li hadn't started yelling at LD, would LD have gotten really upset and thrown a racquet at somebody? In this situation, the fault doesn't only lie on the perpetrator, but also in the instigator. I mean, say LM didn't get involved. This is how said scene may have played out...

1) LD gets shocked with a bad line call. He makes a scene.
2) LD complains to umpire. Ump calls it in. LD gets pissed off and whips the bird to LHI's side and goes and wipes his face with a towel (like the China Master 2007 against LCW.)
4) Play resumes.

If there is no bad calls or there is a way to replay that shot, they would have continued the game peacefully. but that's if...........:D:D:D

according to kompas newspaper...

"lindan refuses to apologize for what happened in the MS final of korea open 2008"

Since he refuses to apologise, I expect a heavy penalty --- most likely suspension. The BWF will not consider disrepute in this game and will likely be stern. It is indeed foolish of Lin Dan to go so far with his emotion.

I suspect there is deep rooted hatred for Li Mao and hence this spillover.

before i start this post please dont react to strongly to what i want to say:

lets first stop arguing about things we dont know for sure like what was said between LD and LM and what are their intentions and such. these are things that we could never justify simply because we are not them. so maybe we could just look at the things that we all can see and not judge the things we cannot see. there are of course many ways to interpret what the eyes can see but some are very straight forward. ok here goes :

1. LD threw his racket to the opposing side. can everyone agree? take aside the probability of him being provoked first (because frankly nobody here can confidently say that they know exactly what was being said between those two and understood fully what the meaning was) this is just wrong. throwing a racket to your opponent's side, as opposed to throwing the racket on your own side out of frustration, can we all agree this is wrong? or can anybody justify throwing a racket purposely to your opponent's side?

2. LM reacted strongly and left his seat to argue. we can all see this on the video. can we all agree that he was wrong too? he should not have reacted strongly and aggresively like that. and he also kept at it when he saw that LD was reacting strongly too. we can see words being exchanged and even if we dont know what those words are we can safely assume it is not coffee shop talk based on the expression on their faces.

3. LD tried to approach LM aggresively with a racket in his hand. i think this is also very very wrong. provoked or otherwise because this is not the street where gangsters live. this is a professional court. and this behavior should not be condoned. can anybody agree with me on this one? (i know lots will disagree)

4. the umpire overturned the bad calls in LD favour. that is good considering the blatant bad calls that the umpire can witness himself. can we all agree with this?

5. the umpire did not overturned the last bad call because he did not see it himself and thus had to trust the linesperson's judgement. i think he acted to the best of his ability here since he did not see the shuttle lands outside himself in order to overturn the call. can we agree with this?

6. the linesperson have disgraced the match by the blatant bad calls. even after some calls have been overturned, to continue to make bad calls are very very shameful. and i know we all can agree with this.

so the point is. what is wrong is still wrong and what should be our main concern is how to stop bad line calls from ever distrupting a match ever again. LD. LM and the linesperson all did something wrong. they all should be penalized. the linesperson should also be banned from judging any matches in the immediate future. make a list of all the biased linesperson and umpires and make sure none of them are involved in any important matches.

but ultimately they are all human. and humans err. so maybe we should shift the focus away from judging and attacking the humans involved and start to discuss how to prevent this from happening again.

some proposed hawk eye method. others propose camera replays. and others propose linesperson must be from other country and not the host country. and some have mentioned that umpires should shoulder the responsibility of the line judging for the finals. all these are good proposals. lets discuss more on this. brainstorming is good in finding a solution. :)

If you think about it, the guy can hit a shuttle dead on the line and you think he'll miss when he throws his racket at Li Mao.



The line does not know how to move but Li Mao does. :D

It's not good the set an example in which a point is re-played due to player protests... :cool:

If there is no bad calls or there is a way to replay that shot, they would have continued the game peacefully. but that's if...........:D:D:D

1. Agree.
2. Disagree. After LD threw the racket, everything changed. It became totally personal. LM has to confront LD -- a junior who tried to hit a senior -- to keep his face.
3. - 6. All agree.

My opinion: LM has about 10% responsibility due to he trying to verbally provoke LD (note that until now LM hasn't confirmed this) which leaded to LD's huge overreaction: threw the racket.

before i start this post please dont react to strongly to what i want to say:

lets first stop arguing about things we dont know for sure like what was said between LD and LM and what are their intentions and such. these are things that we could never justify simply because we are not them. so maybe we could just look at the things that we all can see and not judge the things we cannot see. there are of course many ways to interpret what the eyes can see but some are very straight forward. ok here goes :

1. LD threw his racket to the opposing side. can everyone agree? take aside the probability of him being provoked first (because frankly nobody here can confidently say that they know exactly what was being said between those two and understood fully what the meaning was) this is just wrong. throwing a racket to your opponent's side, as opposed to throwing the racket on your own side out of frustration, can we all agree this is wrong? or can anybody justify throwing a racket purposely to your opponent's side?

2. LM reacted strongly and left his seat to argue. we can all see this on the video. can we all agree that he was wrong too? he should not have reacted strongly and aggresively like that. and he also kept at it when he saw that LD was reacting strongly too. we can see words being exchanged and even if we dont know what those words are we can safely assume it is not coffee shop talk based on the expression on their faces.

3. LD tried to approach LM aggresively with a racket in his hand. i think this is also very very wrong. provoked or otherwise because this is not the street where gangsters live. this is a professional court. and this behavior should not be condoned. can anybody agree with me on this one? (i know lots will disagree)

4. the umpire overturned the bad calls in LD favour. that is good considering the blatant bad calls that the umpire can witness himself. can we all agree with this?

5. the umpire did not overturned the last bad call because he did not see it himself and thus had to trust the linesperson's judgement. i think he acted to the best of his ability here since he did not see the shuttle lands outside himself in order to overturn the call. can we agree with this?

6. the linesperson have disgraced the match by the blatant bad calls. even after some calls have been overturned, to continue to make bad calls are very very shameful. and i know we all can agree with this.

so the point is. what is wrong is still wrong and what should be our main concern is how to stop bad line calls from ever distrupting a match ever again. LD. LM and the linesperson all did something wrong. they all should be penalized. the linesperson should also be banned from judging any matches in the immediate future. make a list of all the biased linesperson and umpires and make sure none of them are involved in any important matches.

but ultimately they are all human. and humans err. so maybe we should shift the focus away from judging and attacking the humans involved and start to discuss how to prevent this from happening again.

some proposed hawk eye method. others propose camera replays. and others propose linesperson must be from other country and not the host country. and some have mentioned that umpires should shoulder the responsibility of the line judging for the finals. all these are good proposals. lets discuss more on this. brainstorming is good in finding a solution. :)

Well, the incident of KOR SS/08 has grown bigger with various respond. What's exact punishment or reaction from BWF for this disrespectful action? Just wait and see... Both of LD and LM have done typical error, about losing emotional control. And disputed line calls was main problem that triggered their friction.

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lets first stop arguing about things we dont know for sure like what was said between LD and LM and what are their intentions and such. these are things that we could never justify simply because we are not them. so maybe we could just look at the things that we all can see and not judge the things we cannot see. there are of course many ways to interpret what the eyes can see but some are very straight forward. ok here goes :but ultimately they are all human. and humans err. so maybe we should shift the focus away from judging and attacking the humans involved and start to discuss how to prevent this from happening again.

some proposed hawk eye method. others propose camera replays. and others propose linesperson must be from other country and not the host country. and some have mentioned that umpires should shoulder the responsibility of the line judging for the finals. all these are good proposals. lets discuss more on this. brainstorming is good in finding a solution. :)
..and i think i'll just follow ye333's reply format..;):cool:
1. Agree. It's unprofessional, intended or not to LiMao.
2. Somewhat agree. After seeing the videos, looked like LiMao was provoked after LinDan threw the racket in his coaching area. However, that doesn't mean LM should get up and go berserk which caused the CHN coach to come to his area. Was LM emotional? Most likely. It's embarrassing.
*CHN coach getting involved. IMO, he should've pulled LinDan aside instead of going to/after LiMao. IMO, that's more appropriate.
3. Agree, but it also applies to LM. I noticed in the videos, after LinDan got his racket back, a gentleman told him to go back to his side of the court. However, he changed direction and went after LM. LM, on the other hand, was still jawing with LD's coach and even got up as soon as LD walked back. IF, LiMao would've just sat there, ignored & ceased his confrontational act, then i will give him the benefit of the doubt & won't fault him anymore. His asst. was able to, so why can't LiMao?? However, he persisted, thus LiMao would somewhat be responsible. Even after LinDan came to him again, LiMao got angrier and had to be pulled back. It's unfortunate.
*One thing to add, CHN's coach also would be somewhat to blame as he also didn't go back to his seat after he was separated from LiMao. Instead, he stood there, for who knows what reason, still staring at LiMao.
4. No comment. The reason is, we, at least myself, don't know if they're blatant calls or not. As far as i remember after watching the match, there were only 3 over-ruled line calls and 1 over-ruled net fault call in the whole match.
5. Somewhat agree. I think it's not because the Umpire could not see, but wasn't sure, unlike his previous over-ruled calls. Yes, he couldn't see the shuttle landed outside, himself, thus he had to rely on the linejudge's call.
6. No comment. Again, as you wrote, we have no certainty that ALL the bad line calls were "blatant bad calls". Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. How certain are we? We just don't know. Only the linejudges themselves know.
And in retrospective to the last bad line call, like you wrote above "..they are all human. and humans err. so maybe we should shift the focus away from judging and attacking the humans involved.." and i assume they/humans include the linejudges??..:confused: :cool:

So, as i mentioned before, the whole thing is an unfortunate, embarrassing and unprofessional act of display...And IMO, both LM & LD are responsible. And if there's such a thing as the saddest day & match in professional badminton, perhaps the 2008 Korean Open MS Final match should/could/would be the day & match..:o :mad::crying::(:p

As for the solution to this whole "bad line call" issue, i think it's best if we discuss that in a different thread. I believe we have a couple of threads already set in the General Forum sub-forum.:cool:

If there is no disciplinary action against Lin Dan from badminton federation I will be vey shock!! Throwing racket at opponent's coach and aggression on court is ABSOLUTELY NOT ACCEPTABLE for this gentlemen sport. Is badminton still a gentlemen sport?? Do we want to make sure our beloved sport is still an elegant sport? Or are we willing to see this sport turn into some street fighting game or monkey game that is performed by rascal like Lin Dan?

At this point whether or not LD is provoked at first or not is completely irrelevant! We can not accept any excuse that him gave to talk himself out of this. He tried to be aggressive to LM. Everyone sees that!

Some may argue that LD did not actually hit LM so he should not be penalized. That is to say the badminton federation should / can only penalize a player when his aggressive behaviour actually hurt someone. So we want LD to get penalized only when his racket hit LM?? Or we want LD to get penalized only when he actually hit someone??( in this case is LM, next time it could be anyone this rascal is facing on court!)

Do we want that to happen? NOOOOO!

So I still stand that we should openly urge the badminton federation to penalize Lin Dan to ensure badminton is a getlemen sport. And I appeal to all of you to joint me.

appreciate some proper translation. This is wat i got off babelfish

babelfish transalation is word for word. So can be misinterpreted.
Need a true transalator .

2034320840293850928% agree with this guy. the Malaysian fans on this board are way way way way way too bias toward their players and 150% bias against all chinese players. it's kinda getting ridiculous at what some people are saying.
it's also funny how taufik hidayat has had many outburst before (fighting with fans, walking out, throwing rackets etc etc) and yet he is highly regarded by many people in this forum. whereas when lin dan pulls off one small stunt and he all of a sudden gets unanimous hatred from about every person in BC (who already hate him enough)

TOTALLY AGREE!
This is not for argument purpose but I have to say I AGREE with Super_gao.

Guys, there is a new video clip abt this, shown clearly LD intentionally smashed the racket to LM's place. Luckily nobody is hurt.
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdZUuWaPk4

After watching this video, i would surprise that anyone still persist on defending his act. He should be suspended.

Guys, there is a new video clip abt this, shown clearly LD intentionally smashed the racket to LM's place. Luckily nobody is hurt.
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdZUuWaPk4

After watching this video, i would surprise that anyone persist on defending his act. He should be suspended.
after watching from youtube:

what..the...... :eek: LIndan must be suspended

after watching from youtube:

what..the...... :eek: LIndan must be suspended


Absolutely shocking!! This is an incredible clip!!
Not only LD is acting unprofessionally towards the coaches as we all have known and discussed, this clip showed that his behaviour towards LHI is probably also unbecoming.
Totally unforgivable in my opinion (now this is the same whether it is LD, LCW, TH or PG).

lolz of course people want LD suspended..cuz no one can beat him when he's @ his 100%

IF LD is suppose to be suspended then...all those korean line judges need to find a new job..LM needs to join the UFC instead of coaching korea

i understand what lindan felt after being 'cheated' by line judges.... but we can't justify what lindan had done by throwing a racket at LM.. what if his racket hit someone.. :rolleyes:

did you watch the new vedio?

yea of coz I watched the "VIDEO"..emotions run high in every sport..if there are garbage lines people like those out there..I'm sure anyone would've thrown their racket..

I'm not saying LD is right..but..korea not at all better by their response..

uhh..hell no?..I am purely Chinese and a HUGE China Team fan..I know LD losing was unexpected to lose to a no-namer..just that..this topic seems to have gone a little overboard..people just attack LD w/ garbage..

how bout this..too bad LD's racket didn't hit LM or the line judge..otherwise I would LMAO

If LD's racket really hit any human, you might not see him at OG. He'll have to appear in court, but different type of court. Then there'll be civil suits on both sides, goin on for years, bringing shame to baddy as a sport.

This 'racket throwing to opposite side" incident is 1st I've heard/seen of in badminton. Dunno if anything close happened in days of old.
Throwing racket to the ground on own side & breaking it, throwing racket straight up in the air, that happens. No human is intended to be hurt, only the ground & air, he he .

Taufik, called the 'bad boy of badminton', walked off the court or made a fuss after match is over. But never fling racket across like throwing fresbie.

i understand what lindan felt after being 'cheated' by line judges.... but we can't justify what lindan had done by throwing a racket at LM.. what if his racket hit someone.. :rolleyes:

partially true..think it would've been better to just let LD fight the korea coach..just like they do it hockey

Guys, there is a new video clip abt this, shown clearly LD intentionally smashed the racket to LM's place. Luckily nobody is hurt.
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdZUuWaPk4

After watching this video, i would surprise that anyone still persist on defending his act. He should be suspended.Wow. The racket was thrown with bad intention and could have seriously hurt someone. This is outrageous and a black eye to the whole sport of badminton. What makes it worse is that he tried to go after Li Mao a second time after he got back the racket.

Lin Dan is a great player but this is so beneath him. Is this how you behave during a match? Did he forget he represents all of China in an international tournament? He is not the first person to have a call go against him. He should learn to deal with these kind of stuff and come back with a vengeance and steely resolve. I'm very very disappointed with his behavior.

after watching from youtube:

what..the...... :eek: LIndan must be suspended

the new video isn't telling us anything new. we already know he threw the racket to the direction of Li Mao. the video just show it from a different camera angle. so i don't know why people are overreacting for yet another time.

Whether LD should be suspended or we leave it the respective authority. But he must be penalized appropriately! If the badminton federation think LD should be suspended, so be it. The badminton federation should uphold justice for the korean coaches and officials, Li Mao, world wide badminton fans and the sport itself! Don't we want to promote the sport to more people around the world?

What happen when your kids and my kids saw this and think that in badminton it is allowed to throw racket at your opponents and their coaches when you are frustrated because of losing? What if they think it is OK to try to hit others on court? Do you want other badminton players to learn to behave aggressively on court like Lin Dan?

This is not about LD or bias against LD or bias against chinese players . This is about ensure aggression shall never happen on court like what LD has done. This is about ensure badminton is a clean and gemtlemen sport. This is about promoting the game.

I appeal to all of you to speak up and voice your stand that Lin Dan should be penalized appropriately. And I urge the badminton federation to act fast.

the new video isn't telling us anything new. we already know he threw the racket to the direction of Li Mao. the video just show it from a different camera angle. so i don't know why people are overreacting for yet another time.

i was just shocking to see LD's Wrathful action :rolleyes: :eek:... he threw his racket 'with full power'...

the new video isn't telling us anything new. we already know he threw the racket to the direction of Li Mao. the video just show it from a different camera angle. so i don't know why people are overreacting for yet another time.We only had the word of a few people regarding the intent of the throw before. Now there is video evidence. There is a very BIG difference between throwing a racket due to frustration and throwing a racket with intent to cause injury. The new angle showed that the throw was indeed more serious in nature.

the new video isn't telling us anything new. we already know he threw the racket to the direction of Li Mao. the video just show it from a different camera angle. so i don't know why people are overreacting for yet another time.

i think the video suggest that Lin Dan throw his requet before Li Mao says anything to him. that's a big difference.

i think the video suggest that Lin Dan throw his requet before Li Mao says anything to him. that's a big difference.

no it does not. even Li Mao in interviews confirms that he yelled at Lin Dan and then Lin Dan threw the racket.

Initially I thought it would amount to nothing. But it is becoming overwhelmingly evident that LD will suffer the consequence of this irrational action of throwing the racket in the direction of Li Mao.

If BWF lets it go, then I think it will set a precedent in the future for racket throwing at opposing coaches. Can we tolerate this ?

no it does not. even Li Mao in interviews confirms that he yelled at Lin Dan and then Lin Dan threw the racket.

Li Mao yelled at Lin Dan:http://i0.sinaimg.cn/ty/cr/2008/0127/1727715612.jpg
after Lin Dan threw the racket but before Lin Dan wanted to use the racket to hit Li Mao:http://i1.sinaimg.cn/ty/cr/2008/0127/2886340234.jpg.

Pls see the article that I scan...if someone can paste it...pls help!!

Dont worry, The Star also feature the news :

Lin Dan refuses to say sorry for scuffle

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2008/1/30/sports/s_70lindan.jpg BEIJING: World number one Lin Dan (pic) has refused to apologise for his part in an ugly scuffle with South Korea singles coach Li Mao during the final of the Korean Open in Seoul last Sunday.

Lin Dan, who was beaten by Lee Hyun-il, appeared to throw his racquet in fellow-Chinese Li Mao’s direction after protesting a line call awarding a match point to the Korean.

The hurled racquet sparked a shouting match between Lin Dan and Li Mao, and play was halted for about two minutes as match officials struggled to restrain the world champion.

Lin Dan’s coach Zhong Bo also intervened, pushing Li Mao, who shoved him back, and officials had to jump in to separate them.

Lin Dan, China’s best hope for the men’s singles gold at the Beijing Olympics in August, went on to lose the final game 25-23 after being given a yellow card by Czech umpire Mojmir Hnilica.

He refused to apologise for losing his temper, saying the Korean team had won “dishonourably” and that Li Mao had taunted him after the referee awarded the match point.

“He verbally attacked me. He is also a Chinese. I could not accept him saying such things,” the Beijing News quoted Lin Dan as saying.

“The Korean team won very dishonourably, and I lost very unhappily. I will not apologise for this matter.”

Li Mao, who left China in 1999 to coach overseas after falling out with China’s current national coach Li Yongbo, said Lin Dan had been “rude and immoral”.

According to the China Daily, he added that the Korean team would file a complaint with the Badminton World Federation (BWF).
“I have never seen such an ill-cultivated player in my coaching career,” the paper quoted him as saying after the match. – Reuters

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Anyone knows what about the history this "falling out" thingy that Li Mao had with LYB?

Li Mao yelled at Lin Dan after Lin Dan threw the racket and before Lin Dan wanted to use the racket to hit Li Mao.

Really doesn´t matter to me who yelled, said something first, stood up and walked in any direction and all that...
...for the violent way Lin Dan throws his racquet intentionally in direction of visitors and coaches, he shouldn´t be allowed to keep on playing by the czech umpire.

Lin Dan push world badminton toward violant sport.
new era to badminton?

why he didn't join WWF, since he favours in fighting so much?

Really doesn´t matter to me who yelled, said something first, stood up and walked in any direction and all that...
...for the violent way Lin Dan throws his racquet intentionally in direction of visitors and coaches, he shouldn´t be allowed to keep on playing by the czech umpire.

Agree but I think the Umpire was probably caught in a situation where there were no previous precedents and he did not know how to react accordingly.

But it does not matter as the incident is recorded and BWF will surely take action(s). LD may 'breathe' for now but I cannot see him avoiding suspension.

Anyone knows what about the history this "falling out" thingy that Li Mao had with LYB?

Li Mao was among people wo started a revolt against LYB behind his back, because of financial irregularity under LYB. They signed a document, but LYB found out and fired everybody who signed this document. But unfortunately Li Mao was his best Coach.

LD is just another victim of cheats from the KO.
How he reacted is just as normal as you have been accused of doing/stealing something which u have not done.
Sigh, and why must everyone repeating the same incident for so long?

It's time to look forward instead of turning back to fan the fire just because of what CO has done to our team in the final last year. IMO, players are just victims, the main culprits should be the linesmen and the organizers.

LD is just another victim of cheats from the KO.
How he reacted is just as normal as you have been accused of doing/stealing something which u have not done.
Sigh, and why must everyone repeating the same incident for so long?

It's time to look forward instead of turning back to fan the fire just because of what CO has done to our team in the final last year. IMO, players are just victims, the main culprits should be the linesmen and the organizers.

I think you can see the argument as that or you can see it past that and say he should not have shown such aggressiveness, regardless of whether he was provoked.

Actually at the end of the day, we all have overlooked an issue. LD said he will not apologise to LM- fine, we don't really care, honestly. But I feel that he should apologise to all the badminton fans for what he did, regardless. He is not even thinking of doing so...sigh.

Actually at the end of the day, we all have overlooked an issue. LD said he will not apologise to LM- fine, we don't really care, honestly. But I feel that he should apologise to all the badminton fans for what he did, regardless. He is not even thinking of doing so...sigh.

I am not so sure he can be that cocky. If the BWF penalises him, it might be a different story. To show so much disrespect to LI Mao will not endear him to anyone. Time will tell whether he will learn that what he had done have irked the fans.

anybody counting on how fast the swing was it? 400mph?

TOTALLY AGREE!
This is not for argument purpose but I have to say I AGREE with Super_gao.

Tohcsh, it's not so in real life. In brief : Many, many Msians, from all walks of life, critised LCW for being "mentally weak" in CO 2007. It was all over the Msia media, I'm sure you've read them. Read how China's media potray this KO incident - different.

the new video isn't telling us anything new. we already know he threw the racket to the direction of Li Mao. the video just show it from a different camera angle. so i don't know why people are overreacting for yet another time.

It wasnt so clear in the Korea news vid.
When I watched the Korea news vid, it just showed LD throwing, not exactly which direction & the actual force of the throw. I thought he threw it lightly over the net, landed on the ground in the empty part of court. LD bend back & throw, but if the actual force is controlled, it doesnt go far (I dont know how to explain any clearer).

Only LHI was supposed to be on court, and LHI was standing on other side. The Korea vid would imply LD wasnt intentional (to me)- that he waited till LHI wasnt in his line of shot, then throw over the net in frustration- that way nobody would get hurt.


But this new vid shows the force of the throw, and the fact that it was thrown to the back and outside the court.

I will raise 2 hands to second that Lin Dan should openly apologize to world badminton fans, Li Mao and the korean coach.

Tohcsh, it's not so in real life. In brief : Many, many Msians, from all walks of life, critised LCW for being "mentally weak" in CO 2007. It was all over the Msia media, I'm sure you've read them. Read how China's media potray this KO incident - different.

Interesting point.

I saw the video...sigh!! bad news for LD!!......

Lin Dan will definitely not get banned for this incident.
There is way too much negative bias towards Lin Dan here to even begin arguing some logic for some.

Dude...I think u should watch the new video on youtube. That video clearly shows the racket being flung intentionally by an angry Lin Dan :eek:

Li Mao = no 'li mao'

I saw the video...sigh!! bad news for LD!!......

Btw, was it the HK 2006 incident the one that Taufik got suspended for 1 SS?
That case, this was even more serious......

Lin Dan will definitely not get banned for this incident.
There is way too much negative bias towards Lin Dan here to even begin arguing some logic for some.
Could you care to explain why TH need to get punished by walking out? Chinese referee also provoked and angered TH....and TH got what he deserved and Chinese referee walked out FREE....thats really bias toward TH...
Also so many negative on TH in BC too,....some members here made fun of him..saying nthat he has the highest value of entertainment..now it is LD's turn to have that value...:cool:

I think you should be neutral and look at the facts.....
If LD did not get any penalty and I am sure that TH will appeal to BWF as he lost his some income and some tournaments....

Btw, was it the HK 2006 incident the one that Taufik got suspended for 1 SS?
That case, this was even more serious......
He had return the prize money too.......but the referee who provoked him did not get any penalty ......

If LD did not get any penalty and I am sure that TH will appeal to BWF as he lost his some income and some tournaments....

Hau-ge,
you are so kind.
i thought you will say TH engage a lawyer and sue BWF.......:D

Hau-ge,
you are so kind.
i thought you will say TH engage a lawyer and sue BWF.......:D
Hehe......not yet....soon....hehe

It actually told us a lot... It told us the distance between LD and LM around the time he threw the racket. Now I tend to believe that LM actually didn't say anything. According to LM, the distance between him and LD made it very difficult to communicate verbally -- in other words, even if LM said anything, it is hard to LD to catch and understand it. :cool:

the new video isn't telling us anything new. we already know he threw the racket to the direction of Li Mao. the video just show it from a different camera angle. so i don't know why people are overreacting for yet another time.

Hau-ge,
you are so kind.
i thought you will say TH engage a lawyer and sue BWF.......:D

Hehe......not yet....soon....hehe

He, he, Taufik's case set a precedence, anything less than Taufik's penalty/punishment, will cause a different type of Tsunami......

It actually told us a lot... It told us the distance between LD and LM around the time he threw the racket. Now I tend to believe that LM actually didn't say anything. According to LM, the distance between him and LD made it very difficult to communicate verbally -- in other words, even if LM said anything, it is hard to LD to catch and understand it. :cool:

And the noises of the spectators will make it even impossible for Lin Dan to hear the words uttered by Li Mao.

A real shocking video indeed....

Yes. So far, LM's words seem closest to truth.

And the noises of the spectators will make it even impossible for Lin Dan to hear the words uttered by Li Mao.

A real shocking video indeed....

Yes. So far, LM's words seem closest to truth.

Originally, I thought Li Mao was at fault too for "taunting" Lin Dan. But, if what he said was merely "if all the points are given to u, then ...", I don't think this is a taunt :cool: Li Mao was merely expressing his frustration. All the disputed line calls went Lin Dan's way. If this one (rightly or wrongly called is another issue) was again overruled in favor of Lin, as Lee Hyun Il's coach, Li Mao had the right to be concerned and asked for confirmation from the umpire :rolleyes:

Now actually there is a big chance that he didn't even say this before LD threw the racket. Even if he said it, it should be very hard for LD to clearly catch the words due to the distance. Thus LD's action is even less justified.:cool:

BWF should show their determination by banning LD from attending at least 2 not-important-for-Olympics Super Series tournaments. I sound a bit cynical here, don't I... :D

Originally, I thought Li Mao was at fault too for "taunting" Lin Dan. But, if what he said was merely "if all the points are given to u, then ...", I don't think this is a taunt :cool: Li Mao was merely expressing his frustration. All the disputed line calls went Lin Dan's way. If this one (rightly or wrongly called is another issue) was again overruled in favor of Lin, as Lee Hyun Il's coach, Li Mao had the right to be concerned and asked for confirmation from the umpire :rolleyes:

Now actually there is a big chance that he didn't even say this before LD threw the racket. Even if he said it, it should be very hard for LD to clearly catch the words due to the distance. Thus LD's action is even less justified.:cool:

BWF should show their determination by banning LD from attending at least 2 not-important-for-Olympics Super Series tournaments. I sound a bit cynical here, don't I... :D

Like I mentioned, even if Li Mao DID SAY those words, Lin Dan's reaction would still be over the line. It's not as if he's scolding or cursing Lin Dan :cool: He was merely venting his own pent-up frustration over the overruled calls so far.

We'll see whether BWF will really take this matter seriously or not :o

Guys, there is a new video clip abt this, shown clearly LD intentionally smashed the racket to LM's place. Luckily nobody is hurt.
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdZUuWaPk4

After watching this video, i would surprise that anyone still persist on defending his act. He should be suspended.

if it was an EPL match, LD would get straight RED CARD and suspended for the next 3 matches (at least!) :rolleyes:

Btw, was it the HK 2006 incident the one that Taufik got suspended for 1 SS?
That case, this was even more serious......

Any video on youtube on that?

wow, this new video makes it look really bad.
and it just gets worse the more times you view it.

Originally, I thought Li Mao was at fault too for "taunting" Lin Dan. But, if what he said was merely "if all the points are given to u, then ...", I don't think this is a taunt :cool: Li Mao was merely expressing his frustration. All the disputed line calls went Lin Dan's way. If this one (rightly or wrongly called is another issue) was again overruled in favor of Lin, as Lee Hyun Il's coach, Li Mao had the right to be concerned and asked for confirmation from the umpire :rolleyes:

1) Watching the latest vid & the Astro version, Lin Dan was standing in the front side of the court when he flung the racket.
2) The Korean Assist coach was standing during that incident. Didnt see Li Mao's body or head behind or in front of his assistant. I dont see LM anywhere near the umpire either.
3) LD walked across over to where LM & assistant was standing. continues with the scenes from Alphonse's vid.
4) LM & assistant walked forward, not backwards from their chairs - means they werent near the umpire when racket was thrown.

LD said LM said some dirty words. The conclusion I can come up with is LD saw LM made some gesture, facial or with his hands that angered LD.
Cos from walking round the court, LD looked & suddenly threw, split sec reaction. And after that, immediately walked to Korea bench side.

Any video on youtube on that?

I couldnt find any, it wasnt on tv cos it was either 2nd rd or QF. So happen the match was Taufik vs LD. Taufik walked out at 1-4 in 1st set due to bad line call, so nothing much to see.
Taufik-ist, Indra, Huang are fans of Taufik, dunno whether they have any private cam recording of that.

But Cheung was there & took good pictures :
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35765

I only found the Displinary Board's press conference link that Cooler posted :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2gQjvF7AXA&mode=related&search=

Taufik's punishment/sanction for walking off was :
1) No ranking points earned from HK Open
2) No prize money, SS level prize $$ is distributed from 1st rd onwards.

Huang said Taufik had to pay fine & suspended from 1 SS - maybe Huang can tell you the source.

After viewing this video on youtube http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdZUuWaPk4, I still don't believe that Lin Dan was actually throwing the racket at Li Mao. Yes he threw it in the direction of Li Mao. But just think about it, the guy can smash a shuttle over 250 km/h and hit dead on the line. You think he'll miss throwing a racket at person that's roughly 15 ft. away.

A lot of people are saying that Lin Dan is at fault because he threw the racket at Li Mao before he Insulted/provoked Lin Dan. BUT why would Lin Dan throw his racket in the direction of Li Mao and approach him if he was not provoked? You think Lin Dan just wanted to hit Li Mao for no reason?

If Li Mao is unhappy with the over ruling of the line calls, why don't he approach the bench and speak to the Umpire directly, he doesn't need to exchange words with anyone else.

Well I still think both are very at fault. I think Li Mao should get a monetary fine. Lin Dan's tournament points from the KO be stripped and be banded from the up coming 2 SS tournament. The BWF implements the Hawk Eye system and we'll be happy.

LM provoked LD doesn't mean LM insulted LD and of course doesn't justify LD's action.

For example, if you look at a man, he may get provoked since he suspects he is ugly and thinks you are noticing that. Does that mean you are wrong? Of course not.

I kind of agree with your opinion about the punishment though. Although I think it is not possible to ban LD from the upcoming SS. LD did very well last year around this time, so even taking away his KO points should be a big blow.

After viewing this video on youtube http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdZUuWaPk4, I still don't believe that Lin Dan was actually throwing the racket at Li Mao. Yes he threw it in the direction of Li Mao. But just think about it, the guy can smash a shuttle over 250 km/h and hit dead on the line. You think he'll miss throwing a racket at person that's roughly 15 ft. away.

A lot of people are saying that Lin Dan is at fault because he threw the racket at Li Mao before he Insulted/provoked Lin Dan. BUT why would Lin Dan throw his racket in the direction of Li Mao and approach him if he was not provoked? You think Lin Dan just wanted to hit Li Mao for no reason?

If Li Mao is unhappy with the over ruling of the line calls, why don't he approach the bench and speak to the Umpire directly, he doesn't need to exchange words with anyone else.

Well I still think both are very at fault. I think Li Mao should get a monetary fine. Lin Dan's tournament points from the KO be stripped and be banded from the up coming 2 SS tournament. The BWF implements the Hawk Eye system and we'll be happy.

法制晚报1月30日报道 “我能理解林丹。”捷克籍羽毛球裁判莫米亚说。
虽然自己在27日的韩国羽毛球超级赛男单决赛中的错判，引发了林丹与中国籍的韩国羽毛球队教练 李矛的冲突， 但当值主裁判莫米亚昨晚通过电话告诉记者，他并未生林丹的气。
当时判罚确实有失误 听不懂争执的内容
Fw：当时根据你的判断，球是否落在了界内？
莫米亚：这个球打在了林丹身后，从我这个角度无法判断球是否出了边线。当时边裁很肯定地示意我 球在界内，电 视裁判也给了我同样的提示。我因此坚持认定球在界内。但后来的电视录像证明，当时的判罚是错误 的。
Fw：当时场上发生了什么？
莫米亚：当时林丹向我走过来，示意我，刚才的球出界了。李矛和林丹离得很近，他好像先对林丹说 了什么，然后 林丹非常生气，二人争执起来。 遗憾的是，我不懂中文，不知道他们在说什么。
能理解林丹的愤怒 出示黄牌稳定了局势
Fw：林丹在场上摔拍子，你当时对他的行为很愤怒吧？
莫米亚：我能理解林丹。决赛的局面僵持不下，任何运动员都会紧张，情绪一时失控是可以理解的。 换作别的运动 员的话，可能会有人比林丹更生气吧。
Fw：可你给林丹出示了黄牌。
莫米亚：由于事发突然，我必须让双方冷静下来。毕竟，在场上摔拍子是不应该的。当时我完全可以 出示红牌，这 样李铉一可以直接得分，拿下这局比赛，但我不想这样。这局比赛很精彩，胜负应该由运动员在场上 决定，而不是 我的判罚。
这次判罚后，林丹在场上完全冷静下来了。尽管输掉了比赛，他还是走过来和我、李铉一很友好地握 了手。
边裁判罚屡次出问题
似乎有些偏向韩国队
Fw：我注意到，在林丹和李铉一的决赛时，你曾经好几次推翻了边裁的判罚，为什么呢？
莫米亚：边裁在判断上明显出现了不该有的失误，我必须不断纠正边裁的判罚，这让我很恼火。
其实这不是一场比赛的问题。这次韩国超级赛，边裁的判罚出现了很多问题。可能是在主场的原因吧 ，边裁（全部 来自韩国）的判罚似乎有些偏向主队。
Fw：你觉得边裁是故意的吗？
莫米亚：也不能这么说。人人都会犯错，可能是因为他们（边裁）太年轻，也可能是因为他们当时没 有留神。
事件追踪
国家体育总局乒羽中心主任刘凤岩昨天表示，对于林丹在赛场上的不理智行为，中心会对其进行进一 步教育，但对 李矛的行为，中国羽协也将向国际羽联提出上诉。

法制晚报1月30日报道 “我能理解林丹。”捷克籍羽毛球裁判莫米亚说。
虽然自己在27日的韩国羽毛球超级赛男单决赛中的错判，引发了林丹与中国籍的韩国羽毛球队教练 李矛的冲突， 但当值主裁判莫米亚昨晚通过电话告诉记者，他并未生林丹的气。
当时判罚确实有失误 听不懂争执的内容
Fw：当时根据你的判断，球是否落在了界内？
莫米亚：这个球打在了林丹身后，从我这个角度无法判断球是否出了边线。当时边裁很肯定地示意我 球在界内，电 视裁判也给了我同样的提示。我因此坚持认定球在界内。但后来的电视录像证明，当时的判罚是错误 的。
Fw：当时场上发生了什么？
莫米亚：当时林丹向我走过来，示意我，刚才的球出界了。李矛和林丹离得很近，他好像先对林丹说 了什么，然后 林丹非常生气，二人争执起来。 遗憾的是，我不懂中文，不知道他们在说什么。
能理解林丹的愤怒 出示黄牌稳定了局势
Fw：林丹在场上摔拍子，你当时对他的行为很愤怒吧？
莫米亚：我能理解林丹。决赛的局面僵持不下，任何运动员都会紧张，情绪一时失控是可以理解的。 换作别的运动 员的话，可能会有人比林丹更生气吧。
Fw：可你给林丹出示了黄牌。
莫米亚：由于事发突然，我必须让双方冷静下来。毕竟，在场上摔拍子是不应该的。当时我完全可以 出示红牌，这 样李铉一可以直接得分，拿下这局比赛，但我不想这样。这局比赛很精彩，胜负应该由运动员在场上 决定，而不是 我的判罚。
这次判罚后，林丹在场上完全冷静下来了。尽管输掉了比赛，他还是走过来和我、李铉一很友好地握 了手。
边裁判罚屡次出问题
似乎有些偏向韩国队
Fw：我注意到，在林丹和李铉一的决赛时，你曾经好几次推翻了边裁的判罚，为什么呢？
莫米亚：边裁在判断上明显出现了不该有的失误，我必须不断纠正边裁的判罚，这让我很恼火。
其实这不是一场比赛的问题。这次韩国超级赛，边裁的判罚出现了很多问题。可能是在主场的原因吧 ，边裁（全部 来自韩国）的判罚似乎有些偏向主队。
Fw：你觉得边裁是故意的吗？
莫米亚：也不能这么说。人人都会犯错，可能是因为他们（边裁）太年轻，也可能是因为他们当时没 有留神。
事件追踪
国家体育总局乒羽中心主任刘凤岩昨天表示，对于林丹在赛场上的不理智行为，中心会对其进行进一 步教育，但对 李矛的行为，中国羽协也将向国际羽联提出上诉。

Someone must translate this article! Finally there is a neutral report from the umpire himself!!!!

LM provoked LD doesn't mean LM insulted LD and of course doesn't justify LD's action.

For example, if you look at a man, he may get provoked since he suspects he is ugly and thinks you are noticing that. Does that mean you are wrong? Of course not.

I kind of agree with your opinion about the punishment though. Although I think it is not possible to ban LD from the upcoming SS. LD did very well last year around this time, so even taking away his KO points should be a big blow.
Here's another example. Terrorists blowing up WTC resulting in war means war is unjustified? It's the same thing; you mess with somebody and try to put them down, they'll fight back. LM isn't innocent, and he's admitting he isn't. If he didn't talk to LD, no racquet thrown, no controversy, just LD getting pissed off at line judges. Who's really to blame, the instigator, or the perpetrator? The only reason everybody is against LD now is cause what he did is more public; we didn't hear what LM said, so nobody is jumping on him. If we knew what he said exactly, like LYB telling BCL to break LCW's leg, then we'd be against him. Or are we all against CHN domination, and want to see LD lose like that?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Here's another example. Terrorists blowing up WTC resulting in war means war is unjustified? It's the same thing; you mess with somebody and try to put them down, they'll fight back. LM isn't innocent, and he's admitting he isn't. If he didn't talk to LD, no racquet thrown, no controversy, just LD getting pissed off at line judges. Who's really to blame, the instigator, or the perpetrator? The only reason everybody is against LD now is cause what he did is more public; we didn't hear what LM said, so nobody is jumping on him. If we knew what he said exactly, like LYB telling BCL to break LCW's leg, then we'd be against him. Or are we all against CHN domination, and want to see LD lose like that?:rolleyes::rolleyes:
very well said statement

You are saying LM talking is the same as terrorists blowing up a building and killing thousands of ppl? :eek:

LM may not be innocent, but obviously LD is the major wrong-doer.

Just ask yourself, before this incident, if someone told you LD threw a racket just because LM said "if all points are judged in your favor, what's the point having this game played?", would you believe it? If you wouldn't, that shows LD over-reacted, right?

Btw, whether terrorists blowing up the building justifies the war is actually arguable.

quote=Athelete1234;783248]Here's another example. Terrorists blowing up WTC resulting in war means war is unjustified? It's the same thing; you mess with somebody and try to put them down, they'll fight back. LM isn't innocent, and he's admitting he isn't. If he didn't talk to LD, no racquet thrown, no controversy, just LD getting pissed off at line judges. Who's really to blame, the instigator, or the perpetrator? The only reason everybody is against LD now is cause what he did is more public; we didn't hear what LM said, so nobody is jumping on him. If we knew what he said exactly, like LYB telling BCL to break LCW's leg, then we'd be against him. Or are we all against CHN domination, and want to see LD lose like that?:rolleyes::rolleyes:[/quote]

Wow, I'm amazed to see some people still patronizing physical violence.

If someone insults you with words, hit back with words. (I'm generically using "you" to refer to any person). If you use physical violence, then you will end up in jail. The person responsible for Lin Dan's actions is himself. He has no one else to blame but himself. You cannot control what is outside of yourself, you can only control your reactions. If every time you resort to physical assault when you hear something you don't like, then I don't know whether your parents brought you up properly.

Lin Dan is lucky that he did not hit anyone or it could have turned into an ugly legal battle. Any lawyer can prove that he was grossly negligent to human life based on his reckless actions. When you are in public, you must always be aware of other people around you and how your actions may affect them adversely. No one is going to pat you on the head and say, "Poor guy. He didn't know viciously flinging a racket in anger could injure someone" We all know he couldn't aim worth crap in his blind anger. What if he had hit a child in the audience?

I hope he realizes that one bad, unfortunate incident could ruin his legacy forever. When you are in the public eye as much as he is, a single misstep could prove very costly. He must thank his lucky stars that he did not physically cause injury to anyone in his rage.

We have seen Lin Dan, the player rise up the ranks and capture the hearts of millions around the world with his dynamic style and dominance on court. It is time for Lin Dan, the person to grow up and become a man worthy of admiration. I sincerely hope some of the well-meaning friends of Lin Dan would talk to him about this in private.

If someone insults you with words, hit back with words. (I'm generically using "you" to refer to any person). If you use physical violence, then you will end up in jail.
Lin Dan is lucky that he did not hit anyone or it could have turned into an ugly legal battle. Any lawyer can prove that he was grossly negligent to human life based on his reckless actions.

He can considered himself lucky enough to escape with legal actions against him -- He can be sued for trying to commit homicide by using a racket as weapon :eek: ;)

Here's another example. Terrorists blowing up WTC resulting in war means war is unjustified? It's the same thing; you mess with somebody and try to put them down, they'll fight back. LM isn't innocent, and he's admitting he isn't. If he didn't talk to LD, no racquet thrown, no controversy, just LD getting pissed off at line judges. Who's really to blame, the instigator, or the perpetrator? The only reason everybody is against LD now is cause what he did is more public; we didn't hear what LM said, so nobody is jumping on him. If we knew what he said exactly, like LYB telling BCL to break LCW's leg, then we'd be against him. Or are we all against CHN domination, and want to see LD lose like that?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

very well said statement

Both of you, look at my post at #218 on this pg on Taufik's punishment when he walked out of HK Open 2006. That was just for calmly walking off, is against the rules.
Forum members critising LD is one thing, LD will have to face the baddy Displinary Board. LD's action is more serious. If LD's sanction is anything less than Taufik's.....

Heck, using the latest vid, the Korean team can even charge LD (in criminal court)for intention to injure.

法制晚报1月30日报道 “我能理解林丹。”捷克籍羽毛球裁判莫米亚说。
虽然自己在27日的韩国羽毛球超级赛男单决赛中的错判，引发了林丹与中国籍的韩国羽毛球队教练 李矛的冲突， 但当值主裁判莫米亚昨晚通过电话告诉记者，他并未生林丹的气。
当时判罚确实有失误 听不懂争执的内容
Fw：当时根据你的判断，球是否落在了界内？
莫米亚：这个球打在了林丹身后，从我这个角度无法判断球是否出了边线。当时边裁很肯定地示意我 球在界内，电 视裁判也给了我同样的提示。我因此坚持认定球在界内。但后来的电视录像证明，当时的判罚是错误 的。
Fw：当时场上发生了什么？
莫米亚：当时林丹向我走过来，示意我，刚才的球出界了。李矛和林丹离得很近，他好像先对林丹说 了什么，然后 林丹非常生气，二人争执起来。 遗憾的是，我不懂中文，不知道他们在说什么。
能理解林丹的愤怒 出示黄牌稳定了局势
Fw：林丹在场上摔拍子，你当时对他的行为很愤怒吧？
莫米亚：我能理解林丹。决赛的局面僵持不下，任何运动员都会紧张，情绪一时失控是可以理解的。 换作别的运动 员的话，可能会有人比林丹更生气吧。
Fw：可你给林丹出示了黄牌。
莫米亚：由于事发突然，我必须让双方冷静下来。毕竟，在场上摔拍子是不应该的。当时我完全可以 出示红牌，这 样李铉一可以直接得分，拿下这局比赛，但我不想这样。这局比赛很精彩，胜负应该由运动员在场上 决定，而不是 我的判罚。
这次判罚后，林丹在场上完全冷静下来了。尽管输掉了比赛，他还是走过来和我、李铉一很友好地握 了手。
边裁判罚屡次出问题
似乎有些偏向韩国队
Fw：我注意到，在林丹和李铉一的决赛时，你曾经好几次推翻了边裁的判罚，为什么呢？
莫米亚：边裁在判断上明显出现了不该有的失误，我必须不断纠正边裁的判罚，这让我很恼火。
其实这不是一场比赛的问题。这次韩国超级赛，边裁的判罚出现了很多问题。可能是在主场的原因吧 ，边裁（全部 来自韩国）的判罚似乎有些偏向主队。
Fw：你觉得边裁是故意的吗？
莫米亚：也不能这么说。人人都会犯错，可能是因为他们（边裁）太年轻，也可能是因为他们当时没 有留神。
事件追踪
国家体育总局乒羽中心主任刘凤岩昨天表示，对于林丹在赛场上的不理智行为，中心会对其进行进一 步教育，但对 李矛的行为，中国羽协也将向国际羽联提出上诉。
"I can understand how Lin Dan feels", says the umpire

He admitted that he mistakenly awarded a point to Lee Hyun Il in the deciding game, which resulted in the confrontation between Lin Dan and the Chinese coach Li Mao, but he was not angry about Lin Dan.

Question: In your opinion, did the shuttle fall within the perimeter of the court?
Ans: The shuttle landed behind the player Lin Dan, which resulted in view blockage. As such, I was not able to make a judgement based on what I saw. At that time, the lines-man was sure that the shuttle was landed in; the television umpire also agreed with me. Consequently, I insisted that the shuttle was in. However, when I watched the video of that moment, I realised that I had made a judgement mistake.

Question: What happened at that time?
Ans: Lin Dan came over to me and indicated that it was "out". At that time, Li Mao and Lin Dan were very close. The former said something to Lin Dan, which made him very angry. After that, break out erupted between those two. Regretfully, I do not understand Chinese language, and therefore I had no idea what was said between those two.

Question: Lin Dan threw his racquet during the match, were you furious at him when he did that?
Ans: I understand how Lin Dan felt at that time. During the crucial point of a final, any sportsmen would be nervous. As such, emotional outbreaks are understandable. If it was not Lin Dan but other players at that time, he might be even enraged than him

Question: But you flashed a yellow card at him
Ans: Due to the emotional outbreak, I had to calm down both parties. Anyhow, throwing racquets during a match is not supposed to happen. I could simply flash a red card at Lin Dan, and Lee Hyun Il could immediately get a point and win the match. However, I did not wish to do so as this match was very charging (exciting); victories and defeats should be determined on the court, and not be dictated by my punishments.

After this punishment, Lin Dan calmed down. Despite losing the final match, he still walked over and shaked my hands and Lee Hyun Il's.

Question: I noticed that during this final match, you had corrected the linesmen judgement several times. Why?
Ans: The linesmen had committed errors that should not have occurred in the first place, which called on me to correct them. These events are very frustrating to me.

This problem did not solely occur during this match. This year's Korea Open, there were a lot of issues with the linesmen. The linesmen judgment seem to favour the Korean team.

Question: Do you think they purposely did that?
Ans: I can't say that is true. Humans can commit mistakes, it could be that the linesmen were too young, or they weren't concentrating during the match.

(Best that I can do)

"I can understand how Lin Dan feels", says the umpire

He admitted that he mistakenly awarded a point to Lee Hyun Il in the deciding game, which resulted in the confrontation between Lin Dan and the Chinese coach Li Mao, but he was not angry about Lin Dan.

Question: In your opinion, did the shuttle fall within the perimeter of the court?
Ans: The shuttle landed behind the player Lin Dan, which resulted in view blockage. As such, I was not able to make a judgement based on what I saw. At that time, the lines-man was sure that the shuttle was landed in; the television umpire also agreed with me. Consequently, I insisted that the shuttle was in. However, when I watched the video of that moment, I realised that I had made a judgement mistake.

Question: What happened at that time?
Ans: Lin Dan came over to me and indicated that it was "out". At that time, Li Mao and Lin Dan were very close. The former said something to Lin Dan, which made him very angry. After that, break out erupted between those two. Regretfully, I do not understand Chinese language, and therefore I had no idea what was said between those two.

Question: Lin Dan threw his racquet during the match, were you furious at him when he did that?
Ans: I understand how Lin Dan felt at that time. During the crucial point of a final, any sportsmen would be nervous. As such, emotional outbreaks are understandable. If it was not Lin Dan but other players at that time, he might be even enraged than him

Question: But you flashed a yellow card at him
Ans: Due to the emotional outbreak, I had to calm down both parties. Anyhow, throwing racquets during a match is not supposed to happen. I could simply flash a red card at Lin Dan, and Lee Hyun Il could immediately get a point and win the match. However, I did not wish to do so as this match was very charging (exciting); victories and defeats should be determined on the court, and not be dictated by my punishments.

After this punishment, Lin Dan calmed down. Despite losing the final match, he still walked over and shaked my hands and Lee Hyun Il's.

Question: I noticed that during this final match, you had corrected the linesmen judgement several times. Why?
Ans: The linesmen had committed errors that should not have occurred in the first place, which called on me to correct them. These events are very frustrating to me.

This problem did not solely occur during this match. This year's Korea Open, there were a lot of issues with the linesmen. The linesmen judgment seem to favour the Korean team.

Question: Do you think they purposely did that?
Ans: I can't say that is true. Humans can commit mistakes, it could be that the linesmen were too young, or they weren't concentrating during the match.

(Best that I can do)

Why does it take a fake account to do translation?

Come on, lately there are too many members having multiple accounts... :eek:

Why does it take a fake account to do translation?

Come on, lately there are too many members having multiple accounts... :eek:
I am a new member - the mods know that.

'nuff said.

haha, what's your fascination with fake accounts.
and thanks for the translation ... hmmmm ... you gotta symphatise with the umpire, he did try his best and overruled some blatantly dodgy calls.
i wonder, does the television umpire have a say in all of this?
this is the first time i've heard of a television umpire for badminton, in any case!

As I sadi before..beside LD's fine, BWF has to fine Korean organizer....
Even at one point, one INA XD was so furious during Nova/Butet vs LYD/LHJ.....as many "out" calls was called IN....eventhough umpired corrected some but umpire could not corrected close calls or calls he did not see....thats frustrating...Korean organizer knows well of their Patritic linesmen...at the end..it ruins our sport....Badminton...

IF BWF does not do anything, we may witness well again in any China Open or other countries too.....

Why does it take a fake account to do translation?

Come on, lately there are too many members having multiple accounts... :eek:

Man, you scare me, just had the idea i´m playing Pick-A-Winner against fake accounts...:eek:

"I can understand how Lin Dan feels", says the umpire

He admitted that he mistakenly awarded a point to Lee Hyun Il in the deciding game, which resulted in the confrontation between Lin Dan and the Chinese coach Li Mao, but he was not angry about Lin Dan.

Question: In your opinion, did the shuttle fall within the perimeter of the court?
Ans: The shuttle landed behind the player Lin Dan, which resulted in view blockage. As such, I was not able to make a judgement based on what I saw. At that time, the lines-man was sure that the shuttle was landed in; the television umpire also agreed with me. Consequently, I insisted that the shuttle was in. However, when I watched the video of that moment, I realised that I had made a judgement mistake.

Question: What happened at that time?
Ans: Lin Dan came over to me and indicated that it was "out". At that time, Li Mao and Lin Dan were very close. The former said something to Lin Dan, which made him very angry. After that, break out erupted between those two. Regretfully, I do not understand Chinese language, and therefore I had no idea what was said between those two.

Question: Lin Dan threw his racquet during the match, were you furious at him when he did that?
Ans: I understand how Lin Dan felt at that time. During the crucial point of a final, any sportsmen would be nervous. As such, emotional outbreaks are understandable. If it was not Lin Dan but other players at that time, he might be even enraged than him

Question: But you flashed a yellow card at him
Ans: Due to the emotional outbreak, I had to calm down both parties. Anyhow, throwing racquets during a match is not supposed to happen. I could simply flash a red card at Lin Dan, and Lee Hyun Il could immediately get a point and win the match. However, I did not wish to do so as this match was very charging (exciting); victories and defeats should be determined on the court, and not be dictated by my punishments.

After this punishment, Lin Dan calmed down. Despite losing the final match, he still walked over and shaked my hands and Lee Hyun Il's.

Question: I noticed that during this final match, you had corrected the linesmen judgement several times. Why?
Ans: The linesmen had committed errors that should not have occurred in the first place, which called on me to correct them. These events are very frustrating to me.

This problem did not solely occur during this match. This year's Korea Open, there were a lot of issues with the linesmen. The linesmen judgment seem to favour the Korean team.

Question: Do you think they purposely did that?
Ans: I can't say that is true. Humans can commit mistakes, it could be that the linesmen were too young, or they weren't concentrating during the match.

(Best that I can do)


Thank you for translating!!!.............very appreciated it...

Thanks for the translation. One thing important needs to be clarified as following.


Fw：当时根据你的判断，球是否落在了界内？
莫米亚：这个球打在了林丹身后，从我这个角度无法判断球是否出了边线。当时边裁很肯定地示意我球在界内，电 视裁判也给了我同样的提示。我因此坚持认定球在界内。但后来的电视录像证明，当时的判罚是错误 的。



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Question: In your opinion, did the shuttle fall within the perimeter of the court?
Ans: The shuttle landed behind the player Lin Dan, which resulted in view blockage. As such, I was not able to make a judgement based on what I saw. At that time, the lines-man was sure that the shuttle was landed in; the television umpire also agreed with me. Consequently, I insisted that the shuttle was in. However, when I watched the video of that moment, I realised that I had made a judgement mistake.
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At that time, the lines-man was sure that the shuttle was landed in, and the television umpire also notified me the same result.

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我认为,作为一个中国人,尽管已经到国外去执教,但是面对这样违反公平竞赛道德精神的行为,还 要站出来反口 攻击对方就是不对的,何况还是这样指责一个同胞。事后,我知道跟他讲太多也没什么用。
I believe as a "Chinese", although who had gone oversea to coach, but with such "injustice" morale and behaviour, furthermore still dare to stand up and oppose the other party is unacceptable, moreover accusing his own comrade. After the incident, I know it was hopeless to reasoned out with him.
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what LD said is discrimination against LM. is there anything to do with MSF game whether LM is a Chinese or not?

Why does it take a fake account to do translation?

Come on, lately there are too many members having multiple accounts... :eek:

please don't make premature conclusions and accusations...

we have no evidence that shows TranslatorGuy is a duplicated account. besides, i think TranslatorGuy did many people a favor by taking the time to do the translation for us. for that we should thank him!

so the shuttle was out.....:cool:

so the shuttle was out.....:cool:

yeah, that's why & when the mess started. Seems that it's ignored by many. :-))

The important part is the lineman and television umpire gave the same judgement at the SAME time...

Why does it take a fake account to do translation?

Come on, lately there are too many members having multiple accounts... :eek:
:D:D now you sound like your Old" bananaboy":D:D
You should use it...bananakid never syas that kind of things....:D

yeah, that's why & when the mess started. Seems that it's ignored by many. :-))

The important part is the lineman and television umpire gave the same judgement at the SAME time...
Yep..it is out but it is too bad that umpire did not see it....pls..guys not only LD's matches..many matches involved unfair line calls begining from first round in KO.....I can write long pages especially on INA matches...but they did not make a scene as they know that it would bound to happen in KO...many many players are aware too....thats what I sadi that BWF has to do soemthing about it on Korean organizer........

Wow, I'm amazed to see some people still patronizing physical violence.

If someone insults you with words, hit back with words. (I'm generically using "you" to refer to any person). If you use physical violence, then you will end up in jail. The person responsible for Lin Dan's actions is himself. He has no one else to blame but himself. You cannot control what is outside of yourself, you can only control your reactions. If every time you resort to physical assault when you hear something you don't like, then I don't know whether your parents brought you up properly.

Lin Dan is lucky that he did not hit anyone or it could have turned into an ugly legal battle. Any lawyer can prove that he was grossly negligent to human life based on his reckless actions. When you are in public, you must always be aware of other people around you and how your actions may affect them adversely. No one is going to pat you on the head and say, "Poor guy. He didn't know viciously flinging a racket in anger could injure someone" We all know he couldn't aim worth crap in his blind anger. What if he had hit a child in the audience?

I hope he realizes that one bad, unfortunate incident could ruin his legacy forever. When you are in the public eye as much as he is, a single misstep could prove very costly. He must thank his lucky stars that he did not physically cause injury to anyone in his rage.

We have seen Lin Dan, the player rise up the ranks and capture the hearts of millions around the world with his dynamic style and dominance on court. It is time for Lin Dan, the person to grow up and become a man worthy of admiration. I sincerely hope some of the well-meaning friends of Lin Dan would talk to him about this in private.

Well said man!!!

It doesn't mean that if someone provokes u, u have the right to hit him with a racket with anger :cool:

i think that LD deserves a fine (something around $3000USD) no ranking points from the KO and him not being able to participate in the next tournament (most likely German Open). i think this is fair for him. whether he wants to apologize, is entirely up to him. but if i were him i would apologize to his fans who look up to him. lol i don't see LD apologizing to li mao any time soon.
as for li mao, i think he also deserves some kind of penalty. i think somewhere around the lines of $2000USD fine is fair for him.
i dunno if anyone noticed, but he push LD's coach pretty hard

i think this "fiasco" will single handedly force the badminton federation to use technology as a insurance when in dispute of line calls, whether it be the hawk eye system or maybe simple video cameras (i like this idea better).

i think this "fiasco" will single handedly force the badminton federation to use technology as a insurance when in dispute of line calls, whether it be the hawk eye system or maybe simple video cameras (i like this idea better).

Agreed, badminton needs systems like that.

Further, even with such a system, still something else needs to be fixed first. Say with that system, a player has 3 chances to chanllenge umpire judgements. However, what if there are just toooo many times there are unfair judgments?

The bottom line is that individuals just can never have fair games againt a group of cheaters.

taufik might ban lindan :)

Agreed, badminton needs systems like that.

Further, even with such a system, still something else needs to be fixed first. Say with that system, a player has 3 chances to chanllenge umpire judgements. However, what if there are just toooo many times there are unfair judgments?

The bottom line is that individuals just can never have fair games againt a group of cheaters.

the badminton court is a lot smaller than a tennis court. players can see if their shots are in or out, especially if the shot is hit to the side of the court. for the most part, line judges are pretty good, it's just a few bad apples giving a bad rep to the group.
i believe that players can challenge as much as they want, BUT if players start using it to change the momentum of the game (which of course some players will do), at that point it should be in the umpires hands to decide whether or not to award him/her the challenge.

please don't make premature conclusions and accusations...

we have no evidence that shows TranslatorGuy is a duplicated account. besides, i think TranslatorGuy did many people a favor by taking the time to do the translation for us. for that we should thank him!
Thanks for the respect Kwun. I have been browsing through this forum for over a year and only decided to join now.

As for my username... I am just looking for a place where I can put my knowledge of English and Mandarin to good use, that's all.

Thanks for the translation. One thing important needs to be clarified as following.





At that time, the lines-man was sure that the shuttle was landed in, and the television umpire also notified me the same result.
Cheers for that. :)

Thanks for the respect Kwun. I have been browsing through this forum for over a year and only decided to join now.

As for my username... I am just looking for a place where I can put my knowledge of English and Mandarin to good use, that's all.

badmintoncentral officially loves you. no more of that babelfish/altavista (although they generally give us a good idea of what is going on) nonsense HAHAHAHA:p

and how in the world does Li Mao translate into Li Spear?!?!??! :D
LMFAO