Yonex ArcSaber 10 Review

[HKChua]

Actually... I was quite hesitant the day before. But... last night (11/03/2008), my partner smashed my racket instead of the birdie, breaking the frame of my AT-700 (Old Model) completely. He was using the old MP-23 and his racket was intact after the clash. Damn!:mad:.

I am currently left with only one AT-700 (Old Model).

I know Arc Saber is not going to be as powerful as my AT-700. But... I don't like the new AT-700. I tested the Arc Saber and was pretty happy with the feel.

Will try to wield the 'Tu Long Dao'...

Thanks.

He is a medical doctor, in charge of any injuries during our game sessions. But... he cannot cure my racket! :D

Too bad!

[foo.tw]

I searched some Chinese forums. A member's explaination of the " lack of power" for ARC10 is interesting to me, and I think it reasonable. He said that the new materials made this thing with super high recovery ability at high enegy. With about 25lbs, it might be a very good one. But if you normally play with about 28lbs or more, it becomes superb.

I thought ARC 7 lack of power because I tried my friend's with 24lbs.
Maybe I would have thought differently with 27lbs or more.

Maybe we shouldn't make any assertion before trying the racket with high tension. the new material changes things.

[ants]

I searched some Chinese forums. A member's explaination of the " lack of power" for ARC10 is interesting to me, and I think it reasonable. He said that the new materials made this thing with super high recovery ability at high enegy. With about 25lbs, it might be a very good one. But if you normally play with about 28lbs or more, it becomes superb.

I thought ARC 7 lack of power because I tried my friend's with 24lbs.
Maybe I would have thought differently with 27lbs or more.

Maybe we shouldn't make any assertion before trying the racket with high tension. the new material changes things.

You have a valid statement over there.

[Pete LSD]

Dink it! In that case, Oldhand needs to string his AS 10 to 33 lbs to get any uber power :D. The dude is too strong.

[ants]

Mine was good at 30 or 31lbs. More than that... maybe the string might snap even before reaching the final conclusion. Hehehe.. :)

[sifuyono]

i might be snap my arm before the string do

[taneepak]

If ArcSaber 10 plays better at say 30lbs than 24lbs for player A, then almost every other racquet will show similar improvement for player A. The improvement is in the player's skill and ability to handle high tension better than low tension. Seems strange to attribute qualities to the wrong party, which in this case is the player not the racquet.

[Oldhand]

Dink it! In that case, Oldhand needs to string his AS 10 to 33 lbs to get any uber power :D. The dude is too strong.
Um, hardly a panda here :p

Incidentally, my Arc 10 is strung at 29 lbs.
What I said is that it's only as good as the Arc 7 ;)

[HKChua]

Um, hardly a panda here :p

Incidentally, my Arc 10 is strung at 29 lbs.
What I said is that it's only as good as the Arc 7 ;)

But... you good may be 'gooder' than my good...:D

Thanks.

[foo.tw]

I don't have valid statement on that forum. I am considering buying one and was searching for users' statements. Feedbacks from users are quite different.

[Notnimdab729]

Hi foo.tw,
No surprising to get such feedback. Well, different players/different users sure have different comments,correct?:p Anyway, if u intend to buy, then u r the most important person who should be evaluating AS 10. Yr own assessment and feeling is vital in this case.;)
Any person who have used Arc Saber 10 2U G5 can provide a feedback, please. Thanks in advanced.:D
Lee;)

I don't have valid statement on that forum. I am considering buying one and was searching for users' statements. Feedbacks from users are quite different.

[modious]

Actually... I was quite hesitant the day before. But... last night (11/03/2008), my partner smashed my racket instead of the birdie, breaking the frame of my AT-700 (Old Model) completely. He was using the old MP-23 and his racket was intact after the clash. Damn!:mad:.

I am currently left with only one AT-700 (Old Model).

I know Arc Saber is not going to be as powerful as my AT-700. But... I don't like the new AT-700. I tested the Arc Saber and was pretty happy with the feel.

Will try to wield the 'Tu Long Dao'...

Thanks.

Lol. I think it is fated that you need to buy the racket! :D

[kaizen]

I searched some Chinese forums. A member's explaination of the " lack of power" for ARC10 is interesting to me, and I think it reasonable. He said that the new materials made this thing with super high recovery ability at high enegy. With about 25lbs, it might be a very good one. But if you normally play with about 28lbs or more, it becomes superb.

I thought ARC 7 lack of power because I tried my friend's with 24lbs.
Maybe I would have thought differently with 27lbs or more.

Maybe we shouldn't make any assertion before trying the racket with high tension. the new material changes things.


So in simple words, ArcSaber 10 produces greater power at higher tension. Is that wat u meant???....if that is true, it could be a revolutionary move by Yonex.....cos this might let players not have to compromise between power n control....at the high tension, u get both power and control.........

P.S....my concept is that normally at high tension, u get more control and limited power......at low tension, u get limited control and more power.....do correct me if i'm wrong...:)

[HKChua]

So in simple words, ArcSaber 10 produces greater power at higher tension. Is that wat u meant???....if that is true, it could be a revolutionary move by Yonex.....cos this might let players not have to compromise between power n control....at the high tension, u get both power and control.........

P.S....my concept is that normally at high tension, u get more control and limited power......at low tension, u get limited control and more power.....do correct me if i'm wrong...:)

At low tension, the repulsion is mainly from the strings. The impact on the string will result a greater reaction from the strings than from the frame or shaft.

At high tension, the repulsion is mainly from the frame and shaft. The only problem is whether if one can wield the 'Tu Long Dao' at high tension.

I got my racket. After swinging it for a while, I found that it is much swifter than AT-700. I really have to bear in mind not to over exert my strength, cause I may over swing. Certainly not as head heavy as AT-700. The shaft is also stiffer compare to AT-700 (when it is new). After smashing for 2 - 3 months, the AT-700 become quite flexible. Just hope that this darn 'Tu Long Dao' will be slightly more flexible after a couple of months.

The feel is good. I am quite certain that the smashes it produces should not be that bad.

I had strung my 'Tu Long Dao' at my usual 28 LBS (instead of 25LBS planned earlier) with BG66, one piece stringing. I really don't like the grip, so I added an overgrip...

Well... looking at this darn 'Tu Long Dao' is like the first impression of a newly known girlfriend. You never know how will she response to your 'advances' and bad habits...

Off course she may be too good for me... :D:D

Thanks.

[Athelete1234]

So in simple words, ArcSaber 10 produces greater power at higher tension. Is that wat u meant???....if that is true, it could be a revolutionary move by Yonex.....cos this might let players not have to compromise between power n control....at the high tension, u get both power and control.........

P.S....my concept is that normally at high tension, u get more control and limited power......at low tension, u get limited control and more power.....do correct me if i'm wrong...:)
The "control" at high tensions comes because of the lack of a trampoline effect; one can find it easier to gauge how much effort will produce a certain amount of "bounce". The "power" generated at high tensions comes from the player's ability to make the stringbed flex. A stiffer stringbed requires more force to flex, but will respond with greater repulsion.

[DanPong]

So from I read so far, I plan to string it to 27x30 and see if it works well. However, my machine is not that good on the side support since it is the Eagnas Easy-3 with small 4 side support with a hold down screw. So when pulling the main I really need to be careful not to break my new beloved Arc10. Well, I need to ragain my stamina soon to pull out new Arc10 potential:p

[jerby]

it's always the same, year in year out...

5 people say it's the best ever, nothing happens
3 say it's just mediocre, and it's because of "too low tensions" or the wrong weight, or the wrong countrycode, or whatever...

the exact same as last year...everybody who loved a at900, fine.. Everybody who wasn't impressed got 8 questions about the weight, grip, string, stringer, stringingpattern, it never ends...

It amazes me to no end :p ;)

[MSN04]

it's always the same, year in year out...

5 people say it's the best ever, nothing happens
3 say it's just mediocre, and it's because of "too low tensions" or the wrong weight, or the wrong countrycode, or whatever...

the exact same as last year...everybody who loved a at900, fine.. Everybody who wasn't impressed got 8 questions about the weight, grip, string, stringer, stringingpattern, it never ends...

It amazes me to no end :p ;)

I wasn't around when the AT900 came out, but I like your comment.

hee... the new racquet must be good, if not, it must be user error :rolleyes:

[kaizen]

At low tension, the repulsion is mainly from the strings. The impact on the string will result a greater reaction from the strings than from the frame or shaft.

At high tension, the repulsion is mainly from the frame and shaft. The only problem is whether if one can wield the 'Tu Long Dao' at high tension.




The "control" at high tensions comes because of the lack of a trampoline effect; one can find it easier to gauge how much effort will produce a certain amount of "bounce". The "power" generated at high tensions comes from the player's ability to make the stringbed flex. A stiffer stringbed requires more force to flex, but will respond with greater repulsion.

I see..thks for the clarification....i'm not familiar with the mechanics part...:o

anyway, seems like this racket will only work well at high tensions...or maybe everyone who reviewed this racket so far have been using high tensions for their other rackets as well, and as a result can't seem to like the racket at medium level tensions....:confused:

[6 woods]

?????

If you hit it hard enough.. (like a normal power smash)
No matter the string tension, the frame should be pull
hard enough to produce bouncing effect as YY intented
to make us believe!

Besides, the factory spec says max string tention is 25lbs
for a 3U racket!

But I guess different people would hit the birdie at
different velocity and angle so that may effect the feel, and to choose a different rackets.

[6 woods]

Sorry, it is Arc 10 review page....

Will get one Next week (JP version lal)...

But I read some review @ a Chinese Badminton
forum said not to powerful....

Worth a try though..

[Matt]

I believe I'll have my JP Arc 10s plus a bunch of other things and a 200 page Yonex catalog tommorow ^.^

[masteryoda]

Played last night and i think it was probably the best I had played with my new racket. Touch and smashing was really good but whips and hard drives were alot better. However, although I love playing with my new racket i would have to say this was not the highligh as an ex-england badminton player came down to my club night! He hadnt picked up a racket for 2 years due to a knee operation and is now in his early 40's but in all honestly he was bloody amazing. It was one of the best experiences I have ever had playing badminton and it was a complete lesson!! Cant wait till tuesday as he is going to play in a match for us!! It should be quite funny!! :D

[bmsupport]

Racket Type : Yonex ArcSaber 10 2UG5
Strings: Yonex Nanogy98 at 24/26 lbs
Grip: Two over grip over Original Grip
Shuttle used for the review: RSL Feather and Black Night Plastic

My other racquets: Ti10 Long 2UG4, MP 99 3UG4

Purchased along with the ArcSaber 10, AT 900P 3UG4 and the new colour scheme Ti10 3UG4 (not the yellow or purple, there is a new one out there now) So I feel this review is unique since I used the ArcSaber, AT900P and Ti10 for the first time they are all strung with the same string and tension

First impressing the ArcSaber 10

Compared to my old Ti-10 it certainly had an overall lighter feel, found it easier to swing, wrapped on two layers over grip and took it in to play.


Warm up time the ArcSaber have a solid feel in my hands and the forehand clears were certainly reach far back with less effort that usual, my backhand clear was more or less the same that I achieve with my other racquets. It felt easier swing around on the court

During game time I was surprised to smash sharper and closer to the net which I am sure with my other racquets would have be caught on the net, I noticed the surprised look on the opponents face as well since they failed to return. I was able to move the racquet around from offensive to defensive mode comfortably.

Now for the next game I picked AT900P and noticed the brute force power for the smash and being able to clear forehand and backhand was much better than ArcSaber 10, I feel the same with the new Ti-10 very difficult to choose between the new Ti-10 and AT900P

So to conclude I would say the ArcSaber 10 is a good overall racquet and will continue to use it and hope to get better adapted with it over time.

[-Silver-]

new colour scheme Ti10 3UG4 (not the yellow or purple, there is a new one out there now)


what? Got new colour scheme for Ti-10 again?

[Burger_King]

What color is it and can i see some pictures. Please.

[bmsupport]

Burger King pictures available http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=813515&postcount=15

[twobeer]

Tried my Arc-10 (3UG3) for the first time today. Not a really good test at i haven't restrung it (I estimate its like 18lbs or so BG80 on it.. totally mushy)..

I must say it was a very bleak impression.. Neither quick nor powerful.. both 9000S,AT900P and AT700 was more to my liking.. (and of Course Tetracross 700 being king of the hill :-) )

I will restring it tommorrow to give it a fair chance.. As I guess most rackets would suck with such low tension... what where they thinking strinign it like that :-)

/Twobeer

[chicha]

I tried my Arc 10 3UG5 yesterday. The feel and control is superb as I can control the direction of the birdie easily. Defence was also good indeed....comparable with NS9000....maybe NS9000 a little bit faster to manoveur.

While the power is good. Still need to discover its power since I haven't got enough playtime and rarely smash yesterday due to my ankle problem but I did noticed that my smashes are more sharper and nearer to the net. Will test it again on Sunday

[YinLoung]

To those that use Arc 7 regularly, you won't find a difference between Arc7 or Arc10. Indeed, some might argue that Arc 10 is a bit more pwoerful becuz of the stiffness and head heavy oriented but to me, they have no difference. It's a cloaked Arc 7 in a red costume.

[roller]

zhang ning using the arc saber 10 in the swiss open 2008
http://fotos.badmintondeutschland.de/index.php?id=40&no_cache=1&spieler001=85&turnier001=swo08

[chicha]

I tried my Arc 10 again today. The power is very good but not excellent. Baseline to baseline shots and drives are excellent and effortless. By the way it's strung with NBG98 @ 23lbs....

[em160]

Hi-res pictures for any of those wanting more than 600x600 (yes, I know the string is red and some may not like it...it was a shipping error that I got red instead of gold):

http://www.ericserver.net/images/arcsaber10fullsmall.jpg
http://www.ericserver.net/images/arcsaber10shaftsmall.jpg
http://www.ericserver.net/images/arcsaber10framesmall.jpg

[chicha]

Hi-res pictures for any of those wanting more than 600x600 (yes, I know the string is red and some may not like it...it was a shipping error that I got red instead of gold):

http://www.ericserver.net/images/arcsaber10fullsmall.jpg
http://www.ericserver.net/images/arcsaber10shaftsmall.jpg
http://www.ericserver.net/images/arcsaber10framesmall.jpg

Black colour string would look nicer with the Arc 10. But your Arc 10 looks kinda weird....the head looks too square IMO....maybe it is just the angle of the pictures.

[Dreamzz]

Hi-res pictures for any of those wanting more than 600x600 (yes, I know the string is red and some may not like it...it was a shipping error that I got red instead of gold):

http://www.ericserver.net/images/arcsaber10fullsmall.jpg
http://www.ericserver.net/images/arcsaber10shaftsmall.jpg
http://www.ericserver.net/images/arcsaber10framesmall.jpg

wow, those are some bloody big pictures.
i think you should stop calling them small, i shudder to think what large would be!
:rolleyes:

[Burger_King]

Is it me or does this racket feel heavy, i have a 3u and it feels like a 2u

[Pete LSD]

BK,

Please use a postal electronic scale to measure the mass of the 3U AS 10 to the nearest grams without string and overgrip. Thanks.

Pete


Is it me or does this racket feel heavy, i have a 3u and it feels like a 2u

[cooler]

Is it me or does this racket feel heavy, i have a 3u and it feels like a 2ui said the same thing to eggroll when i first held that racket.

[HKChua]

i said the same thing to eggroll when i first held that racket.

Most of our members are using AT-700. What they wield the Arc Saber 10, they were quite comfortable with the heat heaviness, even though the racket is supposed to be more well balanced and lighter.

Thanks.

[twobeer]

To those that use Arc 7 regularly, you won't find a difference between Arc7 or Arc10. Indeed, some might argue that Arc 10 is a bit more pwoerful becuz of the stiffness and head heavy oriented but to me, they have no difference. It's a cloaked Arc 7 in a red costume.

I don't agree at all with this.. The ARC-10 is definitviely stiffer and more powerful (for me) than the ARC-7. If you smash soft or just defend, then the feel is very similar, but for all-out smashes the extra stiffnes makes a big difference.

/Twobeer

[twobeer]

i said the same thing to eggroll when i first held that racket.

I also think the 3U feels heavier than most other 3Us (but I had the same feeling with the 3U Arc-7) :-)... I don't have an unstrung piece close to measuere though ...

/Twobeer

[Matt]

Maybe people need to snap their wrist quick enough to actually notice ^.^ :D Same goes with the Arc7.

[HKChua]

Maybe people need to snap their wrist quick enough to actually notice ^.^ :D Same goes with the Arc7.

Similar to AT-900P, if you were to smash with your arm instead of wrist, on little power can be generated.

Thanks.

[z3048018]

hoping to be able to try it out this friday :)
damn - one more day to go :crying:

[twobeer]

The Arc-10 I have felt alot better with NBG98@26x28 and NBG95@28x30...

I think it feels much better than the ARC-7.. More powerful for attack!

But I still thinks it feels heavier than other mid-balanced 3Us (not head heavy, just a bit heavy overall).

Net-play and flicks feels very nice with it.. apart from that I think the Mizuno TC700s I have is better on everything (defence, fast-play, power-smash, wrist-smash and control of sliced shots)..

I am abit dissapointed.. Not a bad racket by any standards, but I guess I expected more from yy's latest tech.

/Twobeer

[Oldhand]

Posts on where, how and when to buy the ArcSaber 10 (and some thick lowdown on international exchange rates) have been moved to a new thread (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53497) in the Market Place :)

Posts on other unrelated stuff have been moved as well... to the Deleted Bin :p

[MSN04]

Just got this baby today...

http://members.shaw.ca/manfun/Badminton/eIMG_9222.jpg

[Matt]

grouse...................!

[HKChua]

Just got this baby today...

http://members.shaw.ca/manfun/Badminton/eIMG_9222.jpg

I saw a crack!!! :eek:

No, :D just kidding!

You will love or hate the racket, two extremes!

Have been using it for a couple of weeks, and each time I longed to go back to court again, to wack my opponents to ----....:D

Thanks.

[phandrew]

Would people say that the ARC10 is more for a wrist player rather than an arm/shoulder player?

[HKChua]

Would people say that the ARC10 is more for a wrist player rather than an arm/shoulder player?

Yes, I will definitely say that. It is for wrist player.

Wrist players will love the racket, while arm/should player will hate the racket because they will think that it is not powerful enough.

Thanks.

[Master Yoda]

Yes, I will definitely say that. It is for wrist player.

Wrist players will love the racket, while arm/should player will hate the racket because they will think that it is not powerful enough.

Thanks.

Same with all rackets then. If your not a wrist player then you aren't performing proper badminton techniques.

[phandrew]

Same with all rackets then. If your not a wrist player then you aren't performing proper badminton techniques.

There are many arm players in this forum including me so does that mean our badminton techniques are bad? NO. That is probably why i prefer NS9000X and AT900P.

[Master Yoda]

There are many arm players in this forum including me so does that mean our badminton techniques are bad? NO. That is probably why i prefer NS9000X and AT900P.

ER yes it does mean your technique is bad. try swinging your racket with just your arm/shoulder and then just with your wrist. You will find that you can swing the racket faster using just your wrist.

Just using your arm shoulder is what gives people shoulder problems and tennis elbow etc.

You will get so much more power from your strokes

Anyone who has had proper coaching will be wrist players

[CrabOnCrack]

So where would you place the racket?
Is is more like a NS9000s or is it like AT900P/T?

[Dreamzz]

ER yes it does mean your technique is bad. try swinging your racket with just your arm/shoulder and then just with your wrist. You will find that you can swing the racket faster using just your wrist.

Just using your arm shoulder is what gives people shoulder problems and tennis elbow etc.

You will get so much more power from your strokes

Anyone who has had proper coaching will be wrist players

yup, agree with yoda, the key to badminton strokes is the wrist.
a proper badminton shot always involves the wrist.

[Matt]

yup, agree with yoda, the key to badminton strokes is the wrist.
a proper badminton shot always involves the wrist.

I too have to agree. Also in consideration is the pros which should be able to use any racket besides the one they prefer.

[ants]

Nice picture of the racket you have there.

[Dreamzz]

String it up!
And let's get ready to party ....


Just got this baby today...

http://members.shaw.ca/manfun/Badminton/eIMG_9222.jpg

[MSN04]

Thx... more pics... Will get it strung on Friday (thx Ah Shum), and will get to play may be Tuesday. Hopefully, it will be good.

http://members.shaw.ca/manfun/Badminton/eIMG_9205.jpg

http://members.shaw.ca/manfun/Badminton/eIMG_9225.jpg

[azn_123]

Thx... more pics... Will get it strung on Friday (thx Ah Shum), and will get to play may be Tuesday. Hopefully, it will be good.

http://members.shaw.ca/manfun/Badminton/eIMG_9205.jpg

http://members.shaw.ca/manfun/Badminton/eIMG_9225.jpg

Nice pics, what string/tension will you be using on the ARC10?

[MSN04]

Nice pics, what string/tension will you be using on the ARC10?

I am thinking 23/25, NBG98. What do you think?

[ants]

I am thinking 23/25, NBG98. What do you think?

Try 25/27 instead.

[azn_123]

I am thinking 23/25, NBG98. What do you think?

If you can handle it..25lbs-26lbs might be good if you player with feathers.:) If it's plastics I think it's fine. Btw you reply so fast !

[MSN04]

thx for the suggestion, antz and azn_123

(yeah, I am waiting for a conferece call... so... haha... nth happening atm)

[azn_123]

thx for the suggestion, antz and azn_123

(yeah, I am waiting for a conferece call... so... haha... nth happening atm)

Ah I see, do you have a NS9k S or X? I was wondering if you had the X could you do a comparision with the ARC10 and the NS9k X.:)

[Ah_Shum]

Ah I see, do you have a NS9k S or X? I was wondering if you had the X could you do a comparision with the ARC10 and the NS9k X.:)

hard to compare..2 different types of racket

[MSN04]

Ah I see, do you have a NS9k S or X? I was wondering if you had the X could you do a comparision with the ARC10 and the NS9k X.:)

err.... it is hard for a beginner to give you good comparison/comment... I can try tho...

[Matt]

Lol MSN04, 23/25, so low!! Even my Arc7 is tighter than that and Alan is trying to copy my reference acckkk!!

By the way, none of your rackets will be done first because my rackets is on the top of the list as top priority by default!! :D hahahahahahah

[WWK207]

I am thinking 23/25, NBG98. What do you think?

what color of string you want to use? Yellow, gold or red?

[MSN04]

Lol MSN04, 23/25, so low!! Even my Arc7 is tighter than that and Alan is trying to copy my reference acckkk!!

By the way, none of your rackets will be done first because my rackets is on the top of the list as top priority by default!! :D hahahahahahah

on top of the clashing/breaking list? wahahhahaha~!

All my racquets were strung at 23 or 22 lbs... so I don't know....
well... I used to play with walmart 10-dollar racquet :mad:

[MSN04]

what color of string you want to use? Yellow, gold or red?

Red... got the red ones in the same order.

[Matt]

on top of the clashing/breaking list? wahahhahaha~!

All my racquets were strung at 23 or 22 lbs... so I don't know....
well... I used to play with walmart 10-dollar racquet :mad:

ROFL!!! I don't think Wallmart was around here when you got the racket!! Maybe from Zellers or Sport Check ahahahhah!

[Athelete1234]

ER yes it does mean your technique is bad. try swinging your racket with just your arm/shoulder and then just with your wrist. You will find that you can swing the racket faster using just your wrist.

Just using your arm shoulder is what gives people shoulder problems and tennis elbow etc.

You will get so much more power from your strokes

Anyone who has had proper coaching will be wrist players
I get much more power using forearm rotation than using my wrist, and I get more power from adding shoulder. I actually lose power if I try to snap my wrist. That's how it works for me.

Sorry about being off topic.

[azn_123]

If you can handle it..25lbs-26lbs might be good if you player with feathers.:) If it's plastics I think it's fine. Btw you reply so fast !

Sorry, I just noticed a typo, it was suppose to be "might be good if you play".

[HKChua]

I get much more power using forearm rotation than using my wrist, and I get more power from adding shoulder. I actually lose power if I try to snap my wrist. That's how it works for me.

Sorry about being off topic.

Give yourself another 10 years, you will like flicking with wrists...

Thanks.

[azn_123]

Lol MSN04, 23/25, so low!! Even my Arc7 is tighter than that and Alan is trying to copy my reference acckkk!!

By the way, none of your rackets will be done first because my rackets is on the top of the list as top priority by default!! :D hahahahahahah

GR! Matt lol jk....I'm just giving a recommendation!:p:D

[z3048018]

was finally able to try the 10 today :)

strung my 3UG4 10 with BG-80 at 24lbs.

first impressions was :eek: how RED it was, but after a while it kind of grew on me. to be honest, the 7 is a better looking racquet! if the grip wasn't red then it wouldn't have been such a shock. on the first touch i thought "OMG, so (head) heavy" but after swing it a couple of times the heaviness disappeared.

the very first contact with the cork was just plain solid! it reminded me when i first used the 700 minus the heaviness. like most, clears were quite effortless, smashes were much faster and more accurate (in terms of where i want them to go) and response time during defense was quick. was able to return smashes to the baseline or just whip it cross court without too much effort.
shuttle placements wasn't much of a problem. net play wise, i was able to generate more spin on the shuttle but after 3 weeks off, net play was a bit of the bad side. the fast flat exchanges were really easy on the forearms and wrist.

overall, it's quite similar to the 7 but on smashes and drives, the 10 requires less effort. hopefully when i have recovered from my flu i will be able to discover more positive aspects of the 10.

while waiting for friends, some people had a feel for the racquet and was quite impressed with the weight of it. i've already have people queueing up for a little play.

should i start saying "goo-bye" to the 900P? that is a hard question to answer!

well, that's my 2 cents

[SlaShEr]

Heh..:o sorry to be out of topic in here, havent been into this forum for a while now..
I'm extremely interested in this AS10, and they havent have any of them in stock in UK

but can u guys please tell me whether i should buy this racket from this seller?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2008-YONEX-JAPAN-ARCSABER-10-ARC-FIRE-BADMINTON-RACQUET_W0QQitemZ300209179148QQihZ020QQcategoryZ10 6460QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid= p1638.m122

I would absolutely like to have one with a G5 gripsize.. =)

[azn_123]

Heh..:o sorry to be out of topic in here, havent been into this forum for a while now..
I'm extremely interested in this AS10, and they havent have any of them in stock in UK

but can u guys please tell me whether i should buy this racket from this seller?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2008-YONEX-JAPAN-ARCSABER-10-ARC-FIRE-BADMINTON-RACQUET_W0QQitemZ300209179148QQihZ020QQcategoryZ10 6460QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid= p1638.m122

I would absolutely like to have one with a G5 gripsize.. =)

You should try this, http://shuttle-house.com/new-cgi/page2_i.php?mk=YO&hid=ARC10&lan=C, you can get discounts-here's another url for more info, http://shuttle-house.com/page_top_ENGLISH/Guide/PRICE.html. The stuff you get from this store is JP, I wouldn't want to risk my money with ebay. What they show on the site may not be the item you want eg. fake racquets. Best if you did a group buy with a group of friends or something so you can have a greater discount.

[Matt]

I tried the Arc Saber 10 today! Wow, this thing feels great. The first few minutes of using it was odd because my hits and stuff were off but after a while I started to get used to it and started hitting it porperly. On my first power smash, bang this thign is very solid.

I have to say that the control on this racket is better than the Arc7 and the power as well since it does feel a bit head heavier. I did not have enough test time but I will tonight. After a few games, I switched back to my Arc7 playing, still good ^.^

[azn_123]

I tried the Arc Saber 10 today! Wow, this thing feels great. The first few minutes of using it was odd because my hits and stuff were off but after a while I started to get used to it and started hitting it porperly. On my first power smash, bang this thign is very solid.

I have to say that the control on this racket is better than the Arc7 and the power as well since it does feel a bit head heavier. I did not have enough test time but I will tonight. After a few games, I switched back to my Arc7 playing, still good ^.^

Wooo! Sounds good! Smash me Matt!:)

[Matt]

I forgot to add that the racket does definately feels that it can cut-through the air better compare to Arc7.

[WWK207]

Can someone post picture of their Arc10 with different color string? I only saw it with red string so far.

[Ar Dan]

Can someone post picture of their Arc10 with different color string? I only saw it with red string so far.

Here's a picture of the ARC10 with white BG80, will look even better with white grip.;)

[david07]

is it just me or the frame on the left looks so much thinner and longer than the second one?

[Ar Dan]

That's what I thought at first after taking the photo, but it's just the angle of the shot : P

[shaoyut]

omg it came out so soon

[BennyC]

LOLS the ARC SABER 10 has the Canadian Colors!! woot!

[TRDartz]

what's a reasonable price for JP coded Arc 10?

[Matt]

what's a reasonable price for JP coded Arc 10?

Around $175+ Canadian.

[MSN04]

Around $175+ Canadian.

err... I say around $195 :p
JPY is high now, plus shipping, plus TAX (cough) :D

[phandrew]

You can get a fake now for 99cents:

http://cgi.ebay.com/YONEX-ARCSABER-10-SP-BADMINTON-RACKET-GENUINE_W0QQitemZ270221928608QQihZ017QQcategoryZ20 871QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[jhirata]

omg it came out so soon
MC Wu, the organiser of my club has two of them already.. I dont know how he got them in NewZealand. He probably ordered it online.

[Phuong]

You can get a fake now for 99cents:

http://cgi.ebay.com/YONEX-ARCSABER-10-SP-BADMINTON-RACKET-GENUINE_W0QQitemZ270221928608QQihZ017QQcategoryZ20 871QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

ROFL, the bid start at $0.99 but teh shipping cost is $230

[Jasonvan]

Played a bit with the ARC10 today, it's faster defensively than my ARC7, but it could be because my ARC7 is 2UG5 and ARC10 is 3UG5... Feel pretty comfortable playing with it, I think I'll stick with the ARC10 for awhile as it's a pretty well rounded racket.

[KazeCloud]

You can get a fake now for 99cents:

http://cgi.ebay.com/YONEX-ARCSABER-10-SP-BADMINTON-RACKET-GENUINE_W0QQitemZ270221928608QQihZ017QQcategoryZ20 871QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Its also $230 shipping. Lol!

[taneepak]

What are the dimensions of the ArcSaber 10's X-section, width and height in mm, at the 12 o'clock, 1.30 o'clock, 3 o'clock, 5.30 o'clock, and 6 o'clock across the T joint? The width and height of these dimensions can tell you how maneuverable and fast a racquet is. If in addition to a slim x-section, it also has great power, then it can also give you an idea of the effective young's modulus of the materials used in the racquet. Effective young's modulus is seldom the same as the materials' young's modulus, due to the limitations of fiber/resin ratio mixture. For example the young's modulus of uhmg is extremely high, but it is rather low when used in badminton racquets.

[Moggy]

Sounds like someone did too much chemical engineering :p...yeah its sad i actually understood what he said :D

[Fengwei]

Wow Taneepak... that's some chemistry lesson. You know your thing! :cool:

[jerby]

I can see where you're going...except for how you calculate the effective youngs modulus...

I'm still a freshmen though :p

EDIT: so..who's willing to cut up an arc10 in the name of science?

Maybe Dink will test it, he'll break the shaft, send Eepak the rackethead ;)

[taneepak]

I can see where you're going...except for how you calculate the effective youngs modulus...

I'm still a freshmen though :p

EDIT: so..who's willing to cut up an arc10 in the name of science?

Maybe Dink will test it, he'll break the shaft, send Eepak the rackethead ;)

I don't believe you can cut up a racquet and tell what the fiber/resin ratio mix is. FYI uhmg to resin ratio mix is for all practical purpose very low. Hmg to resin ratio mix can be higher. That is why there are hmg racquets that have more power than uhmg.
For a racquet to be very fast its x-section should have a width of less than 10.25mm all round the clock, including that of the T joint, and its height should be 10mm or slightly less.
If the AT 900P or the ArcSaber 10 have these x-section dimensions then you have a winner; and you don't need any 2U or 3U because such a racquet with 4U or even less is incredibly powerful and fast.

[Fengwei]

So according to you, the answer can be found if someone measures the dimensions of the rackets...

Can anyone measure the dimensions? :rolleyes: If possible, for both the ARC-10 and AT-900P? This would give us a comparison between 2 different types.

[taneepak]

So according to you, the answer can be found if someone measures the dimensions of the rackets...

Can anyone measure the dimensions? :rolleyes: If possible, for both the ARC-10 and AT-900P? This would give us a comparison between 2 different types.

Well, if they cannot meet these slim dimensions they can still be mighty powerful but will just not be so fast. From what I read about the speed of these two racquets it would appear that the ArcSaber is a more "skinny" racquet, provided they have comparable power.
If the ArcSaber has slimmer dimensions than the AT900T or P but has comparable power, then the ATs are poorer performers, relatively speaking.

[Fengwei]

Yes, true. Although I doubt that the ArcSaber has more power, when both are wielded by technically advanced players. Even then, I understand each player can get more power out of the racket which suites him...

[WWK207]

Here's a picture of the ARC10 with white BG80, will look even better with white grip.;)
Ar Dan, thanks for the picture.

I want to get a Arc10 with NBG98, but dont know which color suits the red frame. Any suggestion or picture of Arc10 with gold or yellow string? Thanks

[Jasonvan]

why don't you string it with red NBG98?

[HKChua]

Ar Dan, thanks for the picture.

I want to get a Arc10 with NBG98, but dont know which color suits the red frame. Any suggestion or picture of Arc10 with gold or yellow string? Thanks

Normally, I don't care about the colour. In fact... I still think that the colour will affect the performance. Just imagine mixing colour dye to the original material... though it don't affect much, it will change its molecular structure slightly, I say slightly...

I prefer using new strings. So... I normally get the stringer to string normal white (no colour?)...

Thanks.

[taneepak]

We have many owners of the AT900P and ArcSaber 10 here. How come no owner has come out with the x-section dimensions?

[jerby]

I don't believe you can cut up a racquet and tell what the fiber/resin ratio mix is. FYI uhmg to resin ratio mix is for all practical purpose very low. Hmg to resin ratio mix can be higher. That is why there are hmg racquets that have more power than uhmg.
For a racquet to be very fast its x-section should have a width of less than 10.25mm all round the clock, including that of the T joint, and its height should be 10mm or slightly less.
If the AT 900P or the ArcSaber 10 have these x-section dimensions then you have a winner; and you don't need any 2U or 3U because such a racquet with 4U or even less is incredibly powerful and fast.
I thought you'd want to cut up a racket to measure it's X-section...

I was joking;)

But, I can see where you're coming from..but aren't aero-framed rackets an exception to that "10,25mm rule" ?
I have an aero-framed racket I love, but the x-section is bigger than usual.. about 12mm... to me, it hits bombs...:o

Now that we're on the subject, is the arc10 box-framed, or "delta-power"-framed?

[LouisW]

I thought you'd want to cut up a racket to measure it's X-section...

I was joking;)

But, I can see where you're coming from..but aren't aero-framed rackets an exception to that "10,25mm rule" ?
I have an aero-framed racket I love, but the x-section is bigger than usual.. about 12mm... to me, it hits bombs...:o

Now that we're on the subject, is the arc10 box-framed, or "delta-power"-framed?

arc-10 is slightly toward aero-frame design and surprisingly it is quite a tough frame.

[magiadam]

Is the ArcSaber 10 here a rip-off?

http://www.tenniszon.com/Produits/CatByCo.asp?CoID=9&S=1&PTid=9

It's CA coded.

[BennyC]

its priced quite high compared to other places on the internet...and you means its CD coded =]

[Matt]

Is the ArcSaber 10 here a rip-off?

http://www.tenniszon.com/Produits/CatByCo.asp?CoID=9&S=1&PTid=9

It's CA coded.

You get a better deal at MaxSports. For your correction, it's CD coded.

[BennyC]

haha yeah, i forgot to mention Maxsports ..^___^

[TRDartz]

that's quite pricy

[taneepak]

I thought you'd want to cut up a racket to measure it's X-section...

I was joking;)

But, I can see where you're coming from..but aren't aero-framed rackets an exception to that "10,25mm rule" ?
I have an aero-framed racket I love, but the x-section is bigger than usual.. about 12mm... to me, it hits bombs...:o

Now that we're on the subject, is the arc10 box-framed, or "delta-power"-framed?

For racquet speed the key is to have a design with dimensions that can cut through the air with the least air resistance. Size is more important than anything. The X-section of the frame (width and the height of the frame, and the surface area as well as the height or thickness of the T joint at the throat) determines how fast a racquet is. A 12mm width X-section with an aero shaped frame is just a a more slim (tapered) version of the box shape. Large sizes like 12mm are slow, even if it is aero shaped, and are used for structural integrity when less than the best materials are used. Large x-section are for power but at the cost of speed.
But speed comes at a terrible price. If a racquet with an all round x-section of 10mm for both width and height can generate the same power as a 12mm x-section racquet, the former will be very much faster but it might cost ten times more! It (frame) also will be very, very stiff, even if the shaft is flexible, and only very good female payers and intermediate and advanced male players can get that extra sting out of the racquet.

[Moggy]

I've personally studied a lot of aerodynamics, and chemical engineering, larger size doesn't always mean slower speed. Simple example of the A380 aircraft actually has much less resistance than older widebody jets which are much smaller in size.

[taneepak]

In badminton racquets a wider frontal surface, which comes from the width of the x-section when you hold and swing the racquet at the back swing, and from the height of the x-section when the frame is changed to be frontal to the net, means more air resistance than a racquet with a smaller x-section, both width and height. The racquet with the larger x-section is like an auto or a plane with a wider frontal area.

[Moggy]

Of course given the material and shape is exactly the same, a larger x-section will result in higher drag. I guess thats the whole point of more expensive racquets, better aerodynamics, and materials. Which will reduce the surface drag, induced drag, parasitic drag, and form drag. This discussion is bringing up bad memories of lectures... :D

[docruben7]

Hi I just want to share to you my impression of arcsaber 10. My previous racquets were nano 8000, nano 9000x and s (unfortunately both my ns9000x and s had durability issues).

Up front, nano9000 series for me is the easiest racquet to use, best for quick attacks, and defensive blocks but it suffers from producing powerful smashes compared to nano8000 (whether bec. of my shot technique i dont know). When I started using arc10, I felt is was a little slow to use than nano9000 (even head design?) but what I appreciate alot is a very good control of shuttle. - by the way, I am using a nanogy 95 strung one piece at 26 lbs (which is my usual string and tension)

My slice and drop shots are more crisp and controlled. It seems that a nanogy string goes very well with arcsaber as I notice more repulsion of the shuttle during blocks as compared to a nano series racquets. The smashes that it can produce is similar with my nano8000 but more forgiving for mishits (wider sweet spot?).

Overall, as a serious recreational player arcsaber is a very good racquet... I am not sure for those amateur and professional players...

I pray that this is more durable than my ex- nano9000 x and s series. By the way, I got it from singapore and they gave me a very good price of only 278 singapore dollars with free nanogy 95 string, overgrip, case plus free stringing.

Hope my comments help, as ants and other reviews here greatly help me in my badminton questions

[silentheart]

Is the ArcSaber 10 here a rip-off?

http://www.tenniszon.com/Produits/CatByCo.asp?CoID=9&S=1&PTid=9

It's CA coded.
Just because it is a Canadian store, it does not mean it is CA coded.
Yes, for that price, I consider it is a rip-off even if it is CA coded

[taneepak]

For a racquet to be very fast its x-section should have a width of less than 10.25mm all round the clock, including that of the T joint, and its height should be 10mm or slightly less.

I want to correct a typo error here. The height should not be more than 6mm, not 10mm.

[phandrew]

Does anyone with the 2U ARC10 and 3U AT900P can they give a brief comparison of both rackets in power, control, feel...etc.

[MSN04]

Finally got a chance to swing this baby.
I have the 3UG5 with AC133 grip. Strung at Ah Shum's recommendation: 24/26 with NBG98
Took few swings in the warm up and I manage to hit the frame 2 times outta 3. (yeah, what a n00b). Couldn't even get the back hand clear to the back court at the 1st few attempts.
Things really turn around after valleying for a while. The racket is head heavy, I would say even feels heavier than AT900. Surprisingly, the racket is easy to maneuver and recovery is fast.

Comes game time. (single game) The feel is solid. Forehand clear and overhead clear are effortless and accurate. Took me some extra time to adjust backhand timing tho. Drop shot and net shot were easy and fairly accurate. I made significantly less errors during the games played today. I would say that the control on this racket is very good.

Smash is accurate and I would say the power I can generate from this racket is somewhere between AT900 and NS9000, very close to AT900. For sure it is more powerful than the Arc7 tho. I think it depends on your technique. I tried to use wrist mostly to generate power for a few shots, but it was difficult for me on this racket for some reason. Combined with more from arm, the power is pretty decent.

I am a beginner so yeah, this is just my opinion. It is a pretty good single racket for my level. I don't konw about playing in double and I may get to try on Thursday.

[MSN04]

Ah I see, do you have a NS9k S or X? I was wondering if you had the X could you do a comparision with the ARC10 and the NS9k X.:)

I will try my best here... but I am no pro, so...

I feel that the X is stiffer than the Arc10. Most significant difference is that I feel more vibration with the 9000X when hitting the bird (if someone knows what I mean and can rephase this using correct terms to be understood, that would be great).

Oh, and swing speed or recovery (esp the moment I lift up the racket and ready to strike the bird), the NS9000X or S is for sure faster. NS9000 feels much lighter too.

[taneepak]

I will try my best here... but I am no pro, so...

I feel that the X is stiffer than the Arc10. Most significant difference is that I feel more vibration with the 9000X when hitting the bird (if someone knows what I mean and can rephase this using correct terms to be understood, that would be great).

Oh, and swing speed or recovery (esp the moment I lift up the racket and ready to strike the bird), the NS9000X or S is for sure faster. NS9000 feels much lighter too.

Vibrations mean some power is lost in hitting the shuttle-some energy has been absorbed by the racquet/felt by the hand instead of being used to propel the shuttle.
You sure that the NS9000X is faster? NS9000X does not have a slender x-section and would not be a fast racquet.

[docruben7]

Vibrations mean some power is lost in hitting the shuttle-some energy has been absorbed by the racquet/felt by the hand instead of being used to propel the shuttle.
You sure that the NS9000X is faster? NS9000X does not have a slender x-section and would not be a fast racquet.

yup nano9000x and s (including ns8000) are definitely faster racquets (i have been playing with these racquets for 2 years already) I do agree with the observation that there is more vibration noted in nano series racquets than in arcsaber 10. And the explanation that vibration results in energy loss do make sense to me since eventhough ns9000x are faster racquet it seem I can deliver more powerful stroke with arcsaber 10.

[silentheart]

FYI, the vibration difference (ARC10 vs NS9000-s both have about same shaft stiffness) is caused by the new T-Jint. ARC7 and ARC10 uses plastic T-Joint and it is bigger. It takes some vib off smash and miss hit. From my experiance with ARC7, it does increase stability for smash and clear. Also it does not take out too much of touch feeling on the net shots and slice.
I am still waiting for my ARC10 from the evil empire.

[MSN04]

You sure that the NS9000X is faster? NS9000X does not have a slender x-section and would not be a fast racquet.

huh? wut?? how slender are we talking about in order for a racket to be fast? I would think the balance of a racket is more significant.

[SlaShEr]

i think both factors should be take into account..but i think, racket head dimension contribute more to racket head speed..ie. imagine swinging a head heavy box like frame..wont be nice...

and even if we do have a racket with head light balance..if combined with slender x-section...it'll cut thru air and move at a faster speed..

reminds me of my carlton AS-1 racket...light..yet powerful..awesome rackets. ^_^

Just my 2cents

[TRDartz]

What should I string my Arc 10 jp with?
I'm deciding whether to use the recommended NBG98 or BG80 at around 23lbs on 3uG4

[twobeer]

What should I string my Arc 10 jp with?
I'm deciding whether to use the recommended NBG98 or BG80 at around 23lbs on 3uG4

To be honest, If you need to ask, I think you will be ok with either of the options mentioned!

my 2 c.

/Twobeer

[TRDartz]

To be honest, If you need to ask, I think you will be ok with either of the options mentioned!

my 2 c.

/Twobeer

Thanks for your input. I current use a MP90 with BG68Ti. I like the control I get but it seems shots aren't too powerful (might be my poor technique).

[Pete LSD]

Anyone did a test of the 2U version?

[taneepak]

huh? wut?? how slender are we talking about in order for a racket to be fast? I would think the balance of a racket is more significant.

I string and do some modifications/then test a few NS9000 quite often. To me it is not a fast racquet at all. Its dimensions are moderately fat. If it trims down its x-section to about 10mm or no more than 10.25mm on its width and 6mm or less on its height (including the T joint bulge), then and only then can it be considered fast and maneuverable. But then at these reduced dimensions it may not have the power. Compromise and more compromises, that is what the NS9000 is about. Racquet balance is also a factor but not in the same way as a slim x-section.

You can swing two identical racquets, one with string, the other without. This gives you an idea of the effects of air resistance.

[MSN04]

Anyone did a test of the 2U version?

yes, someone on the chinese forum has a review on that.

[taneepak]

We have moved from heavy wooden racquets to lighter aluminium ones, and then to carbon graphite, and now to carbon graphite with a matrix of other high performance fibers. Over the same time, weight has also decreased from close to 150g to the 4U to 2U we see today. But we are still stuck with 2U weight category racquets for the last 20+ years for power.
I think we have today the raw materials to dispense with 2U or even 3U weight categories. Power comes from racquet head speed (of course technique is important) and less from weight, as it should be. Lighter and faster racquets of say the 4U or lighter class is the way to go. If improved performance racquets of today still have to depend on weight for power, say a 2U, I don't think we will ever make a quantum leap forward. We need to think outside the box. Remember the shuttle is less than 5g in weight. You don't need a sledgehammer to it hit hard and fast.

[HKChua]

...I don't think we will ever make a quantum leap forward. We need to think outside the box...

:D You are right, just change the design of the shuttle...

Thanks.

[Pete LSD]

Or better yet, use E-1000 ;):cool::D.


:D You are right, just change the design of the shuttle...

Thanks.

[taneepak]

Or better yet, use E-1000 ;):cool::D.

Yes, the E-1000 actually started off with being off specs. Only those subsequently modified ones and the TEP Select version were good enough. But that was two years ago, and in badminton 2 years is a long time. They are by my standard a bit dated today, just as all 2U racquets, even the best of them, are dated today. Today's badminton has changed a lot. Racquets must now reduce weight and go for speed with effortless power. The key is to design very slim x-section frames with the proper matrix of carbon graphite/epoxy that will convert the frame (not the shaft) into a storehouse of energy like a condenser. All the raw materials are with us today. It is just a simple problem of coming up with the right matrix.
Even the grommets are adverse to reduced air resistance. Paired grommets like those in the MP series and those used at the throat are a drag. Try cutting all your grommets so that they are flush with the inner side of the frame. It helps and it costs nothing.
Also, don't carry any old baggage. It hampers one's ability to think outside the box.

[taneepak]

Lighter and faster racquets will also help players with poor technique-they will have to adjust to a faster hand speed in the absence of weight. With faster hand speed the game will be faster and will bring you one step closer to the professionals.:D

[Moggy]

But with lighter racquet you'll have to swing faster at the same ratio of weight different to get the same momentum transfer. For a racquet half the weight as existing you'll have to swing twice as fast to transfer the same momentum. Basically thats why a lot of ppl find it easier to use AT racquets for power, the head heaviness allows you to swing much slower to transfer the same momentum as a NS. I guess designers need to balance a realistic swing speed of the average person, i doubt anyone would play well with a 45g racquet at this point.

[jerby]

right..in badminton 2 years is a very long time...

the currently used ti-10's, at700's, ns900's used are all outdated.. I can't believe anybody still plays with them...
and yes, I'm currently playing, yet again, with a racket designed in 2003... and I love it...

[silentheart]

right..in badminton 2 years is a very long time...

the currently used ti-10's, at700's, ns900's used are all outdated.. I can't believe anybody still plays with them...
and yes, I'm currently playing, yet again, with a racket designed in 2003... and I love it...
How about me, I am still useing my lovely Cab30ms. So are you calling me an antique? Or Dino?

[jerby]

How about me, I am still useing my lovely Cab30ms. So are you calling me an antique? Or Dino?:p

I'm not...I couldn't care less in which age your racket is made in...

;)merely commentating on taneepak's statement(s)

[silentheart]

I string and do some modifications/then test a few NS9000 quite often. To me it is not a fast racquet at all. Its dimensions are moderately fat. If it trims down its x-section to about 10mm or no more than 10.25mm on its width and 6mm or less on its height (including the T joint bulge), then and only then can it be considered fast and maneuverable. But then at these reduced dimensions it may not have the power. Compromise and more compromises, that is what the NS9000 is about. Racquet balance is also a factor but not in the same way as a slim x-section.

You can swing two identical racquets, one with string, the other without. This gives you an idea of the effects of air resistance.

I assume you have done a wind tunnel test?
Also, may I ask what is your racquet head speed during a defensive clear of a return smash? I would like to know in the case of your racquet is on forhand side and you need to defend a smash on the back hand side (or vice versa). My understanding is in the case the racquet BP and head lightness trump all the air resistance because you need all the initial acceleration you can get from 1 side to another. Then stop, then flick. Unless all these moves are done in at higher than 150 km/h (or about 94 mph) the corss section makes very small difference.
It is not the effect of air resistance, it is effect of extra mass on the racquet head. To debunk your claim, just put 4g of leads tape (1 2g lead tape on the oppiside of the fram wall (about 13~14th grommet on the side). This will simulate the same effect of the string weight. I can tell you it will swing like the same racquet with string. Slower because of extra mass, not air resistance.

[silentheart]

We have moved from heavy wooden racquets to lighter aluminium ones, and then to carbon graphite, and now to carbon graphite with a matrix of other high performance fibers. Over the same time, weight has also decreased from close to 150g to the 4U to 2U we see today. But we are still stuck with 2U weight category racquets for the last 20+ years for power.
I think we have today the raw materials to dispense with 2U or even 3U weight categories. Power comes from racquet head speed (of course technique is important) and less from weight, as it should be. Lighter and faster racquets of say the 4U or lighter class is the way to go. If improved performance racquets of today still have to depend on weight for power, say a 2U, I don't think we will ever make a quantum leap forward. We need to think outside the box. Remember the shuttle is less than 5g in weight. You don't need a sledgehammer to it hit hard and fast.
According to classic physic, you still need to transfer of momentum. Also a head heavier racquet will help stablize a off center shot. FYI, the vibe you mention about NS9k-x is due to the head light with stiff shaft property. It need stiffer shaft to stablize a off center shot. That is why most heavy hitters like head heavy AT racquets vs def players like NS racquets.
Any lighter head for NS you will run the risk of breaking the frame because the momentum can not effectively transfer over to the shuttle.

[silentheart]

Sorry, Jerby, You know I am kidding right???

I just want to bring up 1 racquet. CAB20 BABY! It was good then and it is still as good as 20+ years ago.

[TrunkZ69]

Sorry, Jerby, You know I am kidding right???

I just want to bring up 1 racquet. CAB20 BABY! It was good then and it is still as good as 20+ years ago.

Wrong, its better than it was 20+ years ago ;).

[jerby]

Sorry, Jerby, You know I am kidding right???

I just want to bring up 1 racquet. CAB20 BABY! It was good then and it is still as good as 20+ years ago.
In holland, we often make jokes about "learning to ride on an old bike"....
I don't know how that flies in English;)

when I see a post by you...the default modes is "can't be actually serious" ;):D

[silentheart]

In holland, we often make jokes about "learning to ride on an old bike"....
I don't know how that flies in English;)

when I see a post by you...the default modes is "can't be actually serious" ;):D
I wish I was the emp sitting on Johhny Mc match. My answer is "Just Kidding..."

[taneepak]

According to classic physic, you still need to transfer of momentum. Also a head heavier racquet will help stablize a off center shot. FYI, the vibe you mention about NS9k-x is due to the head light with stiff shaft property. It need stiffer shaft to stablize a off center shot. That is why most heavy hitters like head heavy AT racquets vs def players like NS racquets.
Any lighter head for NS you will run the risk of breaking the frame because the momentum can not effectively transfer over to the shuttle.

I have a prototype "raw" racquet (called X), iso-shaped, 85.7g with string at 675mm length, or when extended 87.1g with string at 680mm length, that uses a radical matrix of material/epoxy resin, b/p w/o string of 28.6cm, with x-section dimensions of 10.2mm width and 5.95mm height (I believe it is about as slim as you can get now), extraordinarily stiff. It is very fast, as tested on the courts by players against ATs and NXs. The difference after playing with the X and then reverting back to the ATs and NXs is very obvious in speed and maneuverability. Its power is its strength and weakness. For many players the extremely stiff frame (shaft is made moderately flexible to moderate the extreme frame stiffness) makes the racquet too hard and stiff to play with any power. But for the advanced players who have high racquet hand speed the racquet has enormous power with the frame acting like a condenser. It needs high hand speed to unlock its "condenser" power. Despite its slim dimensions and enormous power, off-center hits are as solid as spot-on center hits, with utterly no "jelly-like" feeling.
There are enough new age materials and resins to put together an ultra fast and powerful racquet today in the below 90g weight category.
In the 1950s we had 150g wooden racquets; in the 1960s we shaved off 30g to 120g; in the carbon graphite age from the 1980s we shaved off another 26g to 94g. Today we are still stuck with 94g (2U), despite so many improved resins and materials.

[Oldhand]

Let's keep this all related to the Yonex ArcSaber 10 ;)

[Moggy]

I'm sure with the current technology we could make a racquet that could withstand all the forces or even much greater forces with a weight of 20g. Costs aside, how viable is such a racquet? You would have to swing almost 5 times faster to get the same transfer of momentum. As we're human's we have physical constraints, the faster we accelerate something in our hands the more we are prone to injuries. I think racquets in the future will become slightly lighter, maybe like 5/6/7U, but not much more after that, not unless we're all on steroids :D

I'm getting an Arc10, but it won't be here for a while :(

[HKChua]

[quote=... I think racquets in the future will become slightly lighter, maybe like 5/6/7U, but not much more after that, not unless we're all on steroids :D
I'm getting an Arc10, but it won't be here for a while :([/quote]

Cannot agree less...

Leveraging the racket weight, power and control is not mere quality control; getting the best out of best. It is more of market research; knowing what people want; adopting new standards to meet the demand. It not creating something superb and wanting the entire market to adopt new practices into order to adapt to the superb qualities.

Arc Saber 10 is a revolutionary product; one that has evolved over the number of years, through successes and failures...

Yes, Arc Saber 10 is the one...

Thanks.

[inu33]

Niche Marketing! :P

Does anyone know what the retail price would be for this racket in Canada?

[silentheart]

About $230~$240 USD

[BennyC]

Niche Marketing! :P

Does anyone know what the retail price would be for this racket in Canada?

MaxSports is selling it at $250. So i'm assuming its going to be up there. Just think of how much the retailers sell the ARC7's and add $20-30 to it :P

[docruben7]

the more i use arcsaber 10 the more i am convince that its strength as compared to other yonex racquets is its ability to remain stable even in cases of offcenter hits. As if it was design more for ordinary recreational players than for professional players (which is a good thing for me). I applaud the designers of this racquet. We can discuss and analzye the dimensions and physics of racquets all day long but in the end we the players will be the best judge which racquet would work best for our style of play and technique.

[z3048018]

played with the 10 again last night, and like most people, i can't get enough of it. even though i was half dead, i just wanted to play more. the control of it just gets better with each match; smashes feels more solid and the sound it just awesome and drops from the back, especially the cross courts, are accurate and tight - something i can't really do with the 900P

now a colleague of mine wants to buy one, and one still with a ??

I LOVE IT!!

[MSN04]

I like the 7 more for double... I think the 7 is faster. (note: please don't give me those x-sec crap again)

[ssoh5]

So is it definitely a good upgrade from Acr 7 at extra $30 bucks?

I liked the medium flex of Arc 7 and even balance, but it sounds like Arc 10 has better review at little more $.

so tempting...

[Pete LSD]

Yeap, I totally agree. As long as you like the racket, who cares . . .


I like the 7 more for double... I think the 7 is faster. (note: please don't give me those x-sec crap again)

[afham07]

how much is this racket in KL ? .. :) ..

[taneepak]

I like the 7 more for double... I think the 7 is faster. (note: please don't give me those x-sec crap again)

Crap? You should take a look at what Yonex says about why fast swing speed in a badminton racquet requires slim frame dimensions. Pls refer to Yonex T joint patent 7211010 by visiting www. patentstorm.us/patents/7211010-description.html.
Although Tonex says we are not quite there yet about designing a racquet with extremely slim x-section with durabilty, I think we are already there.

[taneepak]

Here it is www.patentstorm.us/patents/7211010-description.html.

[Tsumaranai]

Let's keep this all related to the Yonex ArcSaber 10 ;)

Need he say more?

[taneepak]

We are discussing about ArcSaber 10 being faster than the AT900 P, which many owners seem to agree. I am saying that if true then it is due to the ArcSaber 10's slimmer x-section. Yes, the topic is about ArcSaber 10, but that does not mean any post here must have the word ArcSaber 10. If so, then nothing gets discussed in depth here. Doesn't it satisfy your curiousity to find out the reason for its faster speed and better maneuverability?

[Pete LSD]

The other way is to start a new thread to continue the technical discussion with a link to this thread.


We are discussing about ArcSaber 10 being faster than the AT900 P, which many owners seem to agree. I am saying that if true then it is due to the ArcSaber 10's slimmer x-section. Yes, the topic is about ArcSaber 10, but that does not mean any post here must have the word ArcSaber 10. If so, then nothing gets discussed in depth here. Doesn't it satisfy your curiousity to find out the reason for its faster speed and better maneuverability?

[taneepak]

The other way is to start a new thread to continue the technical discussion with a link to this thread.

Yes, you are right, if there is more interest in what makes a fast racquet.
BTW, the patent I referred to was not Yonex's. Yonex's T joint patent is US patent 4575084 and UK's EP1388354.

[needspeed]

AT-900P, 3UG4, 65Ti@25lbs
AS-10, 2UG5, NBG95@26lbs
i felt AS-10 outperformed AT-900P in every aspects except AT-900P was more stable. even baseline smash was awesome. what a beast! if u want to make ur opponents's legs shake in their shoes, go for 2U AS-10!!

[ants]

I was going to ask if anyone has used a 2U ARC10. You made a good choice by choosing the 2U version. Anyone else have tried 2U version?

[exalted]

I purchased a 2U Arc-10 (strung with BG85@25lb) a few days ago. I haven't been able to play with it much (will definitely log a lot more hours in the coming week), but my initial impressions are:

o This thing is heavy! I definitely need to get used to a 'faster' hit timing
o Drives, clears (backhand as well) and smashes all have a lot more power, but this could be attributed to using a 2U racket (My AT-700/900s are 4Us)

Hopefully I can adjust to the heavier racket and won't regret that I got a 2U instead of a 3U! It definitely plays like a different racket than what I've been using (the 900P), and I will update everyone with a more detailed analysis in the future~

[ants]

Its not easy to change from 4U to 2U. its easier from 3U to 2U. Take your time to adapt the playability of a 2U racket.

[CalvinSeak]

hey guys im planning to buy an Arc saber 10 just wondering which string would be best for me if im an offensive player? BG 66 or BG 80? Ive read thru many postings n even my supplier told me that BG 80 works well with high tension but my previous racket i strung it at 25 lbs with BG 65 n my shoulder hurts this is because i just started badminton 2 weeks ago and im loving it so i would like to upgrade to this cool racket, and i restrung my previous racket to a BG 66 at 24lbs which i think its great!

[Oldhand]

BG-66 and BG-80 are both good choices.
The latter lasts longer, of course :)

[volcom]

hey guys im planning to buy an Arc saber 10 just wondering which string would be best for me if im an offensive player? BG 66 or BG 80? Ive read thru many postings n even my supplier told me that BG 80 works well with high tension but my previous racket i strung it at 25 lbs with BG 65 n my shoulder hurts this is because i just started badminton 2 weeks ago and im loving it so i would like to upgrade to this cool racket, and i restrung my previous racket to a BG 66 at 24lbs which i think its great!

NBG-95 :):) It really packs a punch

[CalvinSeak]

ahh ok will try out NBG-95 when i get my arc hehe =D most probably next week :( cant wait

[ants]

NBG98 not bad too.... hah.. now i got you thinking.. hehehe..

[CalvinSeak]

haha yes you did ;) according to DinkALot's review i can see that its the best for power but the rest are good and average, oh well ill just try em all and see what suits me best haha thanks! btw lets stick to topic ! Thanks alot guys!

[twobeer]

I was going to ask if anyone has used a 2U ARC10. You made a good choice by choosing the 2U version. Anyone else have tried 2U version?

I think my 3U feels as hevay as a 2U.. so I can't imagine how heavy the 2U will be..

I cant se why anyone would want sucha aheavy racket anno 2008.. light and powerful is certainly better than heavy and powerful :-)

Rather a more headheavy 3U for power than a mid balanced 2U..
Sorry can't just see the logic why to choose a 2U arc-10!

/T

[HKChua]

I think my 3U feels as hevay as a 2U.. so I can't imagine how heavy the 2U will be..

I cant se why anyone would want sucha aheavy racket anno 2008.. light and powerful is certainly better than heavy and powerful :-)

Rather a more headheavy 3U for power than a mid balanced 2U..
Sorry can't just see the logic why to choose a 2U arc-10!

/T

I agree.

The 3U Arc 10 is even much heavier than AT-700 (the feel), and it can generate as powerful smashes.

The more you use the Arc 10, the powerful it will become....

Thanks.

[Pete LSD]

Are you guys referring to the head heaviness of the ArcSaber 10? The 2U version might be more balanced but has more overall mass. Can anyone do a test with both the 2U and 3U?

[Pete LSD]

BTW, any issue with the T joint durability so far? Any breakage around the T joint area?

[CalvinSeak]

sorry im new here but may i know what is the SP and JP version what are the differences?

[MSN04]

sorry im new here but may i know what is the SP and JP version what are the differences?

JP distributed in Japan
SP distributed in Singapore

[Pete LSD]

SP distributed in South East Asia region.


JP distributed in Japan
SP distributed in Singapore

[twobeer]

Are you guys referring to the head heaviness of the ArcSaber 10? The 2U version might be more balanced but has more overall mass. Can anyone do a test with both the 2U and 3U?

To me the ARC-10 3u really feels like a mid-balanced 2U..

To confirm my feelings, I took my scale and measured one of my 900Ps and compared to my arc-10..

The 900P 3U4 with bg80@28lbs was slightly less than 90g.. and the arc-10 3U3 with bg80@28lbs was 94g (original grip, no overgrips etc).. So at least I am happy that I can trust my senses :-)

Anyone have an Arc-10 3U4 that could share the weight with bg80?? (no overgrip etc of course) ?? I am curios how much the grip size difference counts for if anything..

When I break the strings next time I will try to remember to weigh it unstrung as well :D

Personally I think YY should have made the arc-10 lighter.. If it mid balanced it should definitively not be heavier than the more head-heavy options like 900P in my opinion..

It would make more sense to have a 4U and a 3U option of arc-10 imop, than a 2U/3U option...

I never understood the point of making head-light or mid balanced racket that are overall heavy.. That kind of defeats the desing purpose of makim the quick and agile...

/Twobeer

P.S. I am abit confused here.. I just measured my Mizuno TX700 and it was 80g !! with RX100@27lbs ... very confusing.. maybe the scale is poorly calibrated.. or the 3U5 mizuno is really that light and head-heavy?? D.S.

[CalvinSeak]

performance/quality/durability wise are there any difference between the SP and the JP version?

[phandrew]

performance/quality/durability wise are there any difference between the SP and the JP version?

I think there is little/no difference in the performance but there is a difference in quality and durability.

[needspeed]

i am so happy with AS-10 and yesterday i went to shop a 3u one for my friend, S$279 including NBG95 string. a bit odd to me is that i felt 3ug5 is more head heavy than 3ug4. anyone got the same feeling? btw, it is difficult to get a 2u one in SG:(

[HKChua]

i am so happy with AS-10 and yesterday i went to shop a 3u one for my friend, S$279 including NBG95 string. a bit odd to me is that i felt 3ug5 is more head heavy than 3ug4. anyone got the same feeling? btw, it is difficult to get a 2u one in SG:(

You are correct, the 3UG5 is more head heavy than 3UG4, because your grip size is smaller (with a lighter wooden handle).

It is off course good for you if you are having a small palm. But... if your palm is huge, G4 will be more adequate...

Thanks.

[needspeed]

he...he..., i can almost hold a basket ball single hand but still prefer g5 grip:) easier to twist it right & left

[twobeer]

P.S. I am abit confused here.. I just measured my Mizuno TX700 and it was 80g !! with RX100@27lbs ... very confusing.. maybe the scale is poorly calibrated.. or the 3U5 mizuno is really that light and head-heavy?? D.S.

Sorry guess I was tired yesturday evening the TX900 with gosen strings was abt. 90g :-) so abt. same as 900P

/T

[taneepak]

You are correct, the 3UG5 is more head heavy than 3UG4, because your grip size is smaller (with a lighter wooden handle).

It is off course good for you if you are having a small palm. But... if your palm is huge, G4 will be more adequate...

Thanks.

Different sizes of grips (G) and weight (U) of a model should have identical balance point. If not, then the qc is not doing its job. Smaller wooden handles weigh the same as larger handles. The way they do this is a mix of drilled holes (to reduce /balance weight) and a plastic/rubber ballast (add/adjust weight) at the cap end of the wooden handle.

[Teppei]

hi, sorry i'm new in this forum
i just bought my AS 10 3U G5 and i think it's the best racket i have since.
actually i dont understand does 3U mean the weight of the racket or only the weight of the head only?
previously i used armortec 800 of.
anybody would like to answer me? thanks

[Dreamzz]

3U defines the weight of the entire racquet.

[Teppei]

is it true that moving from 3U to 2U gives more impact?
i think the lighter the better.

[ssoh5]

I just ordered Arc10 from a local shop and will get it on Friday.

I am wondering, should I get a G4 or G5 grip? I know experienced player told me to get a smaller grip so that it can be controlled easily in my palm. But I have had G5 before and my hand hurt after the game. Does it mean I need a bigger grip size?

[h4n5ip]

yoo guys, just curious I saw Jung Jae Sung ( Korean MD who won swiss open 08) using a black racket, it looks like arch saber but in black color.
Is it Arch10 demo racket?

[Fengwei]

Could be, maybe some players still have the demo's because they look cool :D

[Ah_Shum]

I just ordered Arc10 from a local shop and will get it on Friday.

I am wondering, should I get a G4 or G5 grip? I know experienced player told me to get a smaller grip so that it can be controlled easily in my palm. But I have had G5 before and my hand hurt after the game. Does it mean I need a bigger grip size?

get a g4..feels so much better on the hand..g5 is wayyyy too thin..and im pretty sure your hand size is not the one of a midget or sth..lol:)

[HKChua]

get a g4..feels so much better on the hand..g5 is wayyyy too thin..and im pretty sure your hand size is not the one of a midget or sth..lol:)

Especially when smashing... G4 with overgrip fits my palm well, though my palm is quite sizable...

Thanks.

[ssoh5]

Especially when smashing... G4 with overgrip fits my palm well, though my palm is quite sizable...

Thanks.

I used G5 before and my hand hurts after every game if I smash hard.

But all my asian friends told me to get G5 due to better control(?).

My palm is not big at all, but since G5 didn't fit me very well, I guess I go for G4.
Thanks

[SlaShEr]

No more reviews on Arc10? coz im in dilemma choosing between Arc10 or AT900T...
tried the At900T..really liked the feeling... ^_^ but im still curious about this new techs from Arc10 uses..
better do before i made up my mind...lol

[twobeer]

No more reviews on Arc10? coz im in dilemma choosing between Arc10 or AT900T...
tried the At900T..really liked the feeling... ^_^ but im still curious about this new techs from Arc10 uses..
better do before i made up my mind...lol

Personally I prefer the arc-10 over the 900T, but If you like the 900T why not go for it.. buying something without trying is always risky.. especially if you tried and liked one racket!! They are not very similir, so if you would like something like the AT900Technique the ARC-10 is really not very similiar.

/Twobeer

[Ah_Shum]

Personally I prefer the arc-10 over the 900T, but If you like the 900T why not go for it.. buying something without trying is always risky.. especially if you tried and liked one racket!! They are not very similir, so if you would like something like the AT900Technique the ARC-10 is really not very similiar.

/Twobeer

hey twobeer~..yeaa..im "starting" to prefer the arc10 over my 900t now..so sad..dunno what to do..cuz now within my collection i hv 2 at900t's and 2 arc10's..thinking of selling one of my at900t's..

at900t over arc10 - more power..more solid feeling..control level around the same

arc10 over at900t - control will become ur game..power is generated from wut u personally gain generate..racket doesnt help much..softer feeling depending on player..more maneuverability on the racket b/c of its new design

[Matt]

I used G5 before and my hand hurts after every game if I smash hard.

But all my asian friends told me to get G5 due to better control(?).

My palm is not big at all, but since G5 didn't fit me very well, I guess I go for G4.
Thanks

It all depends on your hand on how it feels. I like G5 better because it's fits just right. G4, I can use it too but I do not like the feel because it gives me the feeling that I want to clinch my hand more closed in but I can't because of the grip size.

[Teppei]

No more reviews on Arc10? coz im in dilemma choosing between Arc10 or AT900T...
tried the At900T..really liked the feeling... ^_^ but im still curious about this new techs from Arc10 uses..
better do before i made up my mind...lol
\\

i can't give you comparison between arc10 and at900t. but what i can tell you i get more control and lot of maneuverability when using arc 10
i can move my racket much faster than armortec 800of. my net playing improved much. my drop shot improves as well. and more important my arm dont hurt anymore

smash power decrease a little using arc 10 than arm 800of but because of faster swing of arc 10 the smash still kil.

in my opinion arc 10 is the best racket i have.

[Optiblue]

It all depends on your hand on how it feels. I like G5 better because it's fits just right. G4, I can use it too but I do not like the feel because it gives me the feeling that I want to clinch my hand more closed in but I can't because of the grip size.
pretty much sums it up for me as well~ I can use anything up to a tenis racquet grip size, but I prefer G5 :cool:

[jhirata]

pretty much sums it up for me as well~ I can use anything up to a tenis racquet grip size, but I prefer G5 :cool:
Me too.. G5 feels perfect. G4 is alright, but it doesn't feel right.. G3, it's yuck.
I regret buying a G4 AT700.. I should've bought a G5 instead.. :D

[Optiblue]

Me too.. G5 feels perfect. G4 is alright, but it doesn't feel right.. G3, it's yuck.
I regret buying a G4 AT700.. I should've bought a G5 instead.. :D
:p that's sort of what happened to me as well~! I also have a mp100 G4, but a G5 just called out to me and I couldn't pass it up!

[Fijitu]

comments about the arc10 from top players

http://yonex.com/swf/arc10/index.html

[HKChua]

comments about the arc10 from top players

http://yonex.com/swf/arc10/index.html

Hmmm... more information is good for decision making.

Just in case anyone may think that my liking for the racket was temporary; I am still using my 2 Arc Saber 10 3UG4. You can smash the whole night, and yet without sore muscles....

Thanks.

[z3048018]

i can second that.... the cobwebs are starting to take shape on my 900Ps!

both JPs HKChua?

[Tsumaranai]

Well, don't let them form, now. Send them here. :D

[HKChua]

Well, don't let them form, now. Send them here. :D

Off course... but.... at a price...:D

Thanks.

[taneepak]

I have 3 racquets that will give the ArcSaber 10 more than a good fight. My TEPM some of my friends consider as the ArcSaber 10's rival, the TEPSM the ArcSaber's slayer, and the TEPSM Select the ArcSaber 10's destroyer.;) For those who want to try it out against their ArcSaber 10, only in Hong Kong, pls pm me, as I am rather selective. There is one condition-no questions about my 3 racquets or anything about racquet design, materials or specs as I keep them close to my chest. :cool: Perhaps oldhand may want to try it. I will bring them to Malaysia in June.

[Oldhand]

I have 3 racquets that will give the ArcSaber 10 more than a good fight. My TEPM some of my friends consider as the ArcSaber 10's rival, the TEPSM the ArcSaber's slayer, and the TEPSM Select the ArcSaber 10's destroyer.;) For those who want to try it out against their ArcSaber 10, only in Hong Kong, pls pm me, as I am rather selective. There is one condition-no questions about my 3 racquets or anything about racquet design, materials or specs as I keep them close to my chest. :cool: Perhaps oldhand may want to try it. I will bring them to Malaysia in June.

Why not?
I could always use the "testing fees" :D

By any chance, does the TEP stand for taneepak?

[Tsumaranai]

Question: Can we ask all those questions if we're not testing them?

[HKChua]

Why not?
I could always use the "testing fees" :D

By any chance, does the TEP stand for taneepak?

Most probably TEPSM stands for taneepak super model...

Thanks.

[taneepak]

Why not?
I could always use the "testing fees" :D

By any chance, does the TEP stand for taneepak?


No fees, so that you can have a free hand to rubbish me if you find the racquets are nothing but just hype.
No questions, but I will characterize them as :
TEPM : Everybody's friend, because it is so easy to play well with it.
TEPSM : Two-faced and superlight. On the basic level it is as good as the TEPM, but for the advanced player or a player with a fast hand speed it becomes an entirely different racquet that basic players are unable to tap into.
TEPSM Select : Same as TEPSM but highly tuned, lighter, faster, and as powerful.
But you will have to come to Hong Kong or go over to KL June.

[ssoh5]

I was juggling between Arc-10 and AT900T and finally bought Arc-10 last Sat, CD coded strung BG65 @ 25lb.
It's not a light racquet (at least feels heavier than NS7700 I have), but I was swinging it easy over the head.
Clears were effortless, and smashes were good. It wasn't too powerful, maybe because I am using BG65 for the first time, all other racquets have BG80.
Great control and net play. I think I will use this racquet as my main from now. =)

[ants]

I would suggest EEpak to Open a thread for his TEPSM racket.

[HKChua]

I would suggest EEpak to Open a thread for his TEPSM racket.

Yup! It is totally irrelevant, and it is still there. Different level of relevance allowed and allocated to different members??

Thanks.

[Pete LSD]

I second or third. This thread is being hijacked by another E-1000 venture :rolleyes::eek:.

[silentheart]

I do not see the any relationship between ARC10 and some racquets that may or may not even see the light of the day. It should be in another post. Thanks!

[DinkAlot]

I second or third. This thread is being hijacked by another E-1000 venture :rolleyes::eek:.

But the venture would be "effortless". Isn't that good? :D

[foo.tw]

ARC10 2U heavier than AT900P 3U
a bit less powerful , faster , better control
AT900P is still my choice when I get a weak teamate, because I need faster scoring than he lose points.

In other cases, I use ARC 10.

[WWK207]

I was juggling between Arc-10 and AT900T and finally bought Arc-10 last Sat, CD coded strung BG65 @ 25lb.
It's not a light racquet (at least feels heavier than NS7700 I have), but I was swinging it easy over the head.
Clears were effortless, and smashes were good. It wasn't too powerful, maybe because I am using BG65 for the first time, all other racquets have BG80.
Great control and net play. I think I will use this racquet as my main from now. =)

You got Arc10 CD coded already? How come these is not US coded yet:confused:

[taneepak]

It is true that it may not be related to the ArcSaber 10 in the way that the other Yonex racquets like AT900 or NS9000 are not related to the ArcSaber 10, except when they are used for some type of comparison. The only difference here is that many bf members have played with all the above 3 Yonex racquets but none with my prototype racquets. This I suppose is why it is ok to post something about other Yonex racquets, but not mine, here so long as they keep alive the ArcSaber 10 thread. That is why I am offering an A/B comparison test gainst the ArcSaber 10 to members who are neutral.
There will be no more posts from me on this thread re my radical racquets. Perhap some select members who get to try an A/B comparison test may have an opinion on this later.

[Oldhand]

As his attempts at comparison is with the qualities of the ArcSaber 10, taneepak's post isn't really irrelevant or off-topic, is it now? ;)

[HKChua]

It is true that it may not be related to the ArcSaber 10 in the way that the other Yonex racquets like AT900 or NS9000 are not related to the ArcSaber 10, except when they are used for some type of comparison. The only difference here is that many bf members have played with all the above 3 Yonex racquets but none with my prototype racquets. This I suppose is why it is ok to post something about other Yonex racquets, but not mine, here so long as they keep alive the ArcSaber 10 thread. That is why I am offering an A/B comparison test gainst the ArcSaber 10 to members who are neutral.
There will be no more posts from me on this thread re my radical racquets. Perhap some select members who get to try an A/B comparison test may have an opinion on this later.

There is nothing wrong for you to compare. If you want to compare, you start up a new thread. This thread is specifically for Arc Saber 10! Period!

When I tried asking some unrelated questions, Mr Kwun immediately issued an official warning over the forum that any subsequent posting from me will be deleted. Who are you actually? that you are entitled such power to keep posting irrelevant postings and yet not been deleted?

Are we practising double standard here??

ARC SABER 10 HAVE NO RELATION TO YOUR RACKET!!!

Thank you.

[HKChua]

It is true that it may not be related to the ArcSaber 10 in the way that the other Yonex racquets like AT900 or NS9000 are not related to the ArcSaber 10, except when they are used for some type of comparison. The only difference here is that many bf members have played with all the above 3 Yonex racquets but none with my prototype racquets. This I suppose is why it is ok to post something about other Yonex racquets, but not mine, here so long as they keep alive the ArcSaber 10 thread. That is why I am offering an A/B comparison test gainst the ArcSaber 10 to members who are neutral.
There will be no more posts from me on this thread re my radical racquets. Perhap some select members who get to try an A/B comparison test may have an opinion on this later.

Please move your darn postings to 'TANEEPAK rackets Vs Arc Saber Series'...

Thanks.

[HKChua]

As his attempts at comparison is with the qualities of the ArcSaber 10, taneepak's post isn't really irrelevant or off-topic, is it now? ;)

He never even want to reveal the specs of his super taneepak's rackets. How do you substantiate quality comparison here??

There are other posters who posted YONEX AT900P and AT900T against Arc Saber 10. It is relevant because we know the specs of these rackets. Any comparison will benefit anyone who wish to select their choice of racket between the AT900 and Arc Saber series...

Thanks.

[HKChua]

It is true that it may not be related to the ArcSaber 10 in the way that the other Yonex racquets like AT900 or NS9000 are not related to the ArcSaber 10, except when they are used for some type of comparison. The only difference here is that many bf members have played with all the above 3 Yonex racquets but none with my prototype racquets. This I suppose is why it is ok to post something about other Yonex racquets, but not mine, here so long as they keep alive the ArcSaber 10 thread. That is why I am offering an A/B comparison test gainst the ArcSaber 10 to members who are neutral.
There will be no more posts from me on this thread re my radical racquets. Perhap some select members who get to try an A/B comparison test may have an opinion on this later.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29446&highlight=E1000&page=33

On 14 Feb 2006, Mr Kwun said the following:

"...i too find that there are way too much marketing BS coming from the designer.

furthermore, the obvious intent of this thread do not align with BC's policy of forbidding any advertising. i was being lenient initially due to the fact that this is a novel design for a badminton racket, and considering the contribution of ideas taneepak has previously made to the forum. but i personally think that there has been too much marketing speak that is potentially misleading a lot of badminton fans.

so as a result, this thread will be locked. and any further attempt to market the product by the retailer/designer will be deleted.

thanks.

..."

So... why isn't the posting being deleted??

Thanks.

[Oldhand]

There's scant reason here to be agitated :cool:
taneepak posted a comment that claims merit

Well, all of us would have simply moved on from taneepak's comment
taneepak too would have moved on considering that the responses to it haven't exactly been very encouraging (two, including a bear, have offered boundless sarcasm as well) :D

Well, that's all fair and square.

Now comes the irony.
Here we are, giving his post more advertisement than he did ;)

Please let go of this ball of string :cool:

[Tsumaranai]

I do concur that further discussion of said rackets is not going to be related to the topic other than to assert their superiority over the Arc 10, and that it won't be beneficial for all this secrecy, but he is not marketing them. He does not seem to be planning on selling them; at least at this moment. He is promoting their greatness in terms of their supremacy over the Arc 10. Nonetheless, it is merely depreciating the racket this thread was made to discuss, and there will be no substantial evidence as to their playability over the Arc 10, as there will only be a limited number of people, if any, who will be able to form testaments on their experience with them.

[HKChua]

Please let go of this ball of string :cool:

:D It is your call, I agreed.

Thanks.

[ants]

Is the post going to be moved or removed? Or does BC have to issue a notice before removing it? At least for me..i have some posts removed without me knowing it... once i found out then i PM the Mods straightaway for the reason. Which i find it acceptable. :)

[TRDartz]

Heres my impression on the Arc Saber 10 JP compared to my MP90.

my Arc 10 has nbg98 at 23lbs and mp90 bg68ti at 22

first thing I noticed and my friends noticed when playing against me was that my reaction time with the Arc10 was quicker than with mp90. I think the string also played a factor in the smash shot power. overall the arc10 really does a good job at imparting the force from the wrist snap. I really enjoy the racquet and has basically replaced my mp90.

I have to note that I'm only a recreational player but this is what I feel from the 2 racquets I have. In terms of balance the two racquets have similar weight distribution but for some reason I feel that I can bring up the Arc 10 to ready position quicker than my mp90.

my arc 10 is a 3ug4 with supergrap overgrip while my mp90 is a 3ug5 with one layer of meshgrap and overlaid with one layer of supergrap cause I found the grip wasn't large enough.

I might try bg80 on the arc 10 later as I find that ngb98 is really slippery and cannot grip the shuttle as well, compared to the bg68ti on my mp90 anyway.

hope this gives you guys more insight on the racquet in your future equipment purchasing decisions

[HKChua]

Is the post going to be moved or removed? Or does BC have to issue a notice before removing it? At least for me..i have some posts removed without me knowing it... once i found out then i PM the Mods straightaway for the reason. Which i find it acceptable. :)

I have some discussions with Ah Shum that were removed. I have no objections because I fully agreed that those postings were irrelevant. I always tried to adhere to the rules of the ball game.

I know Kwun is an impartial guy; no compromises. That is also why the forum is so successful.

Thanks.

[ants]

Dont forget that the Forum have more than 1 Mod.

[HKChua]

Dont forget that the Forum have more than 1 Mod.

Don't worry, they MUST show all posters that they are equally impartial.

Thanks.

[Oldhand]

Please let go of this ball of string :cool:

Please be reminded :)

[BadFever]

Just received and strung my Arc10 last night. Compare to my Arc7, it kinda felt heavier or maybe less aerodynamic when swing. I don't have a chance to try out on court yet. Hopefully, it won't dissapoint.

Well, at least the red color frame combine with a red NBG98 looks really good (but stringing is no fun at all staring at blood red for a long time....eyes really tire after stringing :o). Look wise, Arc10 is definitely a lot better than the plain looking Arc7. ;)

[HKChua]

Just received and strung my Arc10 last night. Compare to my Arc7, it kinda felt heavier or maybe less aerodynamic when swing. I don't have a chance to try out on court yet. Hopefully, it won't dissapoint.

Well, at least the red color frame combine with a red NBG98 looks really good (but stringing is no fun at all staring at blood red for a long time....eyes really tire after stringing :o). Definitely a lot better than the plain looking Arc7. ;)

Some players sliced the shuttle when smashing. In such cases, you will not be able to experience the real power that is possible with the Arc Saber 10.

With your normal gripping method, rotate a bit to the left (anti-clockwise) when smashing, creating a 90% hit bed on the sweetspot. The impact is very impressive...

Try it when you are at the court...:D

Thanks.

[Oldhand]

Just received and strung my Arc10 last night. Compare to my Arc7, it kinda felt heavier or maybe less aerodynamic when swing. I don't have a chance to try out on court yet. Hopefully, it won't dissapoint.

Well, at least the red color frame combine with a red NBG98 looks really good (but stringing is no fun at all staring at blood red for a long time....eyes really tire after stringing :o). Look wise, Arc10 is definitely a lot better than the plain looking Arc7. ;)

I still prefer my ArcSaber 7 to the new ArcSaber 10.
Tried the BG-65Ti (in red) on the Arc 10 but didn't like it very much :)

[BadFever]

With your normal gripping method, rotate a bit to the left (anti-clockwise) when smashing, creating a 90% hit bed on the sweetspot. The impact is very impressive...

Try it when you are at the court...:D

Thanks.
Sounds like you change your grip to panhandle when smashing. Instead of turning the racket, I normally turn my body a bit. I think they produce the same result. Thanks anyway. :)



I still prefer my ArcSaber 7 to the new ArcSaber 10.
Tried the BG-65Ti (in red) on the Arc 10 but didn't like it very much :)
Not sure if we are of similar situation but I hate any YY strings with 'Ti' at the back. I can never get any power out of it. Can only assume my arm is not strong enough for 'titanium' stuffs. :o
My prefer string is BG65. I got NBG98 cos BG65 doesn't come in red. :p