Yonex ArcSaber 10 Review

[HKChua]

Sounds like you change your grip to panhandle when smashing. Instead of turning the racket, I normally turn my body a bit. I think they produce the same result. Thanks anyway. :)


Turning your body a bit is more adequate if you are at rear court or baseline... Turning the body will generate powerful smashes, but.. also drain out more energy. At mid court, panhandle should do a better job, as the opponent may return the shuttle so fast... With it, you can also control your smashes to more directions. If you recall the AEO2008, the Korean players in the finals. I like the speed they are playing in.... very good coordination...

Thanks.

[taneepak]

Turning your body a bit is more adequate if you are at rear court or baseline... Turning the body will generate powerful smashes, but.. also drain out more energy. At mid court, panhandle should do a better job, as the opponent may return the shuttle so fast... With it, you can also control your smashes to more directions. If you recall the AEO2008, the Korean players in the finals. I like the speed they are playing in.... very good coordination...

Thanks.

On its own this post does not seem to be related to the ArcSaber 10, as it talks about how to deliver powerful smashes from the back and at midcourt. But going back 4 posts lifts the fog a little, but not completely.:confused:

[DinkAlot]

I still prefer my ArcSaber 7 to the new ArcSaber 10.
Tried the BG-65Ti (in red) on the Arc 10 but didn't like it very much :)

Well, that's the reason why, try any other string and you'll probably like the Arc10. :p

[Oldhand]

On its own this post does not seem to be related to the ArcSaber 10, as it talks about how to deliver powerful smashes from the back and at midcourt. But going back 4 posts lifts the fog a little, but not completely.:confused:

taneepak, post#746 is recommended reading :)

[HKChua]

On its own this post does not seem to be related to the ArcSaber 10, as it talks about how to deliver powerful smashes from the back and at midcourt. But going back 4 posts lifts the fog a little, but not completely.:confused:

We are talking about how to fully utilize the Arc Saber 10. In AEO2008, two of the Korean players are using Arc Saber 10.

And... just for your information, I am using only Arc Saber 10.

Sighhhhhh! How to talk sense????

Thanks.

[Oldhand]

Well, that's the reason why, try any other string and you'll probably like the Arc10. :p

Originally, I had it strung with Yonex BG-80 at 29lbs.
And my earlier review details my initial frustration.

Later, I changed it to the Yonex BG-66 at 29lbs.
That felt good... but not as good as the Arc 7 with BG-66 at 29lbs.

Last Saturday, I changed it to the Yonex BG-65 Ti at 29lbs.
It is decidedly worse.

So far, the best feel was when it was freshly strung with BG-66.
However, three days later (and I play every day), it was nowhere as good as my AT-700 or Ti-10 :mad:

Perhaps, I need to find a string that won't lose tension so fast :o

[Oldhand]

In AEO2008, two of the Korean players are using Arc Saber 10.

I recall Jung Jae Sung using it.
Who was the other Korean? :confused:

[HKChua]

I recall Jung Jae Sung using it.
Who was the other Korean? :confused:

:D You are right, recalled wrongly. I just run through the videos again. What is the racket the other Korean player that partner with JS Jung is holding? Arc Saber 7?

Thanks.

[HKChua]

A couple of times, at AEO2008, JS Jung simply faced the front and snapped the shuttle, especially with the Arc Saber Series, I found that such snapping creates a fast and good smash...

Thanks.

[Oldhand]

:D You are right, recalled wrongly. I just run through the videos again. What is the racket the other Korean player that partner with JS Jung is holding? Arc Saber 7?

Thanks.
Jung Jae Sung's partner is Lee Yong Dae :)
His racquet is not the ArcSaber 7.
He's using Fu Haifeng's favourite, the old Yonex Ti-10.

[BadFever]

Perhaps, I need to find a string that won't lose tension so fast :o
Have you tried with the red NBG98? I am sure the red string is specially produce for the Arc10 cos the string looks awful on other rackets. Maybe this is your missing piece to unleashing the power of your Arc10.

Get Master DinkALot to string your Arc10 with red NBG98 and you will get UltimateArc10. :p

[taneepak]

Originally, I had it strung with Yonex BG-80 at 29lbs.
And my earlier review details my initial frustration.

Later, I changed it to the Yonex BG-66 at 29lbs.
That felt good... but not as good as the Arc 7 with BG-66 at 29lbs.

Last Saturday, I changed it to the Yonex BG-65 Ti at 29lbs.
It is decidedly worse.

So far, the best feel was when it was freshly strung with BG-66.
However, three days later (and I play every day), it was nowhere as good as my AT-700 or Ti-10 :mad:

Perhaps, I need to find a string that won't lose tension so fast :o

Or you can try this: take a measuring tape and measure the length of the two ArcSabers from the outer edge of the top frame to the outer edge of the butt cap. What is the length in mm or cm?
It is not uncommon to find some of the Yonex AT 900, NS 9000, and ArcSabers a bit short in length by 1mm to 3mm. Normally a thicker shaft handles a shorter length racquet better than a longer shaft, which does not like to be short of its designed length. The 3 racquets above don't take kindly to be "shortchanged".

[SpendorK]

Great

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z69/calaf_2007/IMGP0009-1.jpg

[Moggy]

When my Arc10 arrives i can start confusing ppl on court, at a glance the Arc10 and MP100 looks similar :D

[HKChua]

When my Arc10 arrives i can start confusing ppl on court, at a glance the Arc10 and MP100 looks similar :D

The moment you start smashing, they know it is not MP100. The impact sound is very different.

Thanks.

[Oldhand]

Or you can try this: take a measuring tape and measure the length of the two ArcSabers from the outer edge of the top frame to the outer edge of the butt cap. What is the length in mm or cm?
It is not uncommon to find some of the Yonex AT 900, NS 9000, and ArcSabers a bit short in length by 1mm to 3mm. Normally a thicker shaft handles a shorter length racquet better than a longer shaft, which does not like to be short of its designed length. The 3 racquets above don't take kindly to be "shortchanged".

I will check this out on the Arc 10 :)

[Oldhand]

Have you tried with the red NBG98? I am sure the red string is specially produce for the Arc10 cos the string looks awful on other rackets. Maybe this is your missing piece to unleashing the power of your Arc10.

Get Master DinkALot to string your Arc10 with red NBG98 and you will get UltimateArc10. :p

Haven't tried the NBG 98 yet.
I'm gonna take your word and do it :)

Um, the panda's racquets don't seem to live very long :p
I'll stick to local (safer)!

[DinkAlot]

Um, the panda's racquets don't seem to live very long :p I'll stick to local (safer)!

:eek:...:p That has nothing to do with the stringing. :D

[phandrew]

When my Arc10 arrives i can start confusing ppl on court, at a glance the Arc10 and MP100 looks similar :D

When you get the ARC10 can i have a quick swing with it so i can compare it with my NS9000X?

[Moggy]

Sure, but at the moment it seems like end of this month, waiting for someone to come back with it and she wants to stay in HK longer :(

[Antokbali]

It's a bit confusing about Arc Saber 10. Ants said that there are 2-3 versions. I have found in Yonex main dealer for Switzerland and Austria and the picture is different. Please have a look at the attachment.
It's a kind of odd that YY have 2 differents colors but the same name.

Regards,
Antok who got :confused:.

[indyko]

When you get the ARC10 can i have a quick swing with it so i can compare it with my NS9000X?

I was using NS9000X and I think you will love ARC10 as I did. The net play is swifter with ARC10 but the smash power is a bit reduced but sharp. That I hope will get better with games. Some say nbg95/98 is slippery and gives numb feeling (medium feeling). I didn't like nbg95 indeed. I am thinking of using nbg98 removing string oil and with stencil ink on string surface to make it powerful and controllable at the same time. Or use BG85 which I am sure would be a good choice, sacrificing durability.

[Pete LSD]

You need constant pull :p.


Originally, I had it strung with Yonex BG-80 at 29lbs.
And my earlier review details my initial frustration.

Later, I changed it to the Yonex BG-66 at 29lbs.
That felt good... but not as good as the Arc 7 with BG-66 at 29lbs.

Last Saturday, I changed it to the Yonex BG-65 Ti at 29lbs.
It is decidedly worse.

So far, the best feel was when it was freshly strung with BG-66.
However, three days later (and I play every day), it was nowhere as good as my AT-700 or Ti-10 :mad:

Perhaps, I need to find a string that won't lose tension so fast :o

[Matt]

It's a bit confusing about Arc Saber 10. Ants said that there are 2-3 versions. I have found in Yonex main dealer for Switzerland and Austria and the picture is different. Please have a look at the attachment.
It's a kind of odd that YY have 2 differents colors but the same name.

Regards,
Antok who got :confused:.

You're probably behind. The black one is a demo racket, the color is a fake. The one posted is the official release.

[HKChua]

You're probably behind. The black one is a demo racket, the color is a fake. The one posted is the official release.

I snap the strings of both my Arc Saber 10 tonight when smashing. Both were BG66. Used for less than one week each.

Anyone tested Arc Saber 10 with BG80 or BG85?

Care to provide some experience? How is the feel compared to BG66?

Thanks.

[Oldhand]

I snap the strings of both my Arc Saber 10 tonight when smashing. Both were BG66. Used for less than one week each.

Anyone tested Arc Saber 10 with BG80 or BG85?

Care to provide some experience? How is the feel compared to BG66?

Thanks.
See post#756 for a brief opinion :)

[HKChua]

See post#756 for a brief opinion :)

I think I will stick to BG66 for the time being, have been using it for years...

Thanks again.

[Matt]

I snap the strings of both my Arc Saber 10 tonight when smashing. Both were BG66. Used for less than one week each.

Anyone tested Arc Saber 10 with BG80 or BG85?

Care to provide some experience? How is the feel compared to BG66?

Thanks.

I'm not sure I was meant ot be quoted since the question was not releated about my quote. My quote did have a typo, missing the word *the other color*.

I did not test the Arc Saber 10 with BG80/85, I have only used NGB98 on it.

[DinkAlot]

You need constant pull :p.


Did someone say "constant pull"? :D:D:D

[silentheart]

I forgot to post this. ARC10 will have 2U and 3U version in US. Finally, some choice. However, only G4.

[Matt]

I forgot to post this. ARC10 will have 2U and 3U version in US. Finally, some choice. However, only G4.

G4................................................ .... When will they see that people also want G5s!

Oh wait, I see G4 everday (G4TV !!!)

[DinkAlot]

I forgot to post this. ARC10 will have 2U and 3U version in US. Finally, some choice. However, only G4.

That's good to know, I maybe have to pick-up a few 2Us then.

Saaaaay, shouldn't you be processing my order and not posting? ;)

[silentheart]

That's good to know, I maybe have to pick-up a few 2Us then.

Saaaaay, shouldn't you be processing my order and not posting? ;)
The brown truck runs too fast. I can not catch it and steal boxes off the truck. I am hoping for good news tonight.

[Fijitu]

:D You are right, recalled wrongly. I just run through the videos again. What is the racket the other Korean player that partner with JS Jung is holding? Arc Saber 7?

Thanks.

the racket his partner was using was Armortec-800 De

check it out here if you don't believe me

http://yonex.com/badminton/topics/080310.html


Jung Jae Sung's partner is Lee Yong Dae
His racquet is not the ArcSaber 7.
He's using Fu Haifeng's favourite, the old Yonex Ti-10.

Oldhand was being silly:p

[taneepak]

Originally, I had it strung with Yonex BG-80 at 29lbs.
And my earlier review details my initial frustration.

Later, I changed it to the Yonex BG-66 at 29lbs.
That felt good... but not as good as the Arc 7 with BG-66 at 29lbs.

Last Saturday, I changed it to the Yonex BG-65 Ti at 29lbs.
It is decidedly worse.

So far, the best feel was when it was freshly strung with BG-66.
However, three days later (and I play every day), it was nowhere as good as my AT-700 or Ti-10 :mad:

Perhaps, I need to find a string that won't lose tension so fast :o

If all else fails, have a go here:
1. String BG80 at 26lbs. This will give you a rough equivalent of BG66 at 29lbs.
2. Use 2-pc stringing, with the mandatory use of a true starting knot for the first cross string, which must be at the top. For the other 3 tie-offs, knot it 3 times.
3. If stringer is skilled enough, you can use 30lbs for the first 4 cross strings at the top and then go down to 28.6lbs for the remaining crosses.
4. Use 26lbs for the mains.
5. Take a measurement of the length of your racquet before stringing (Yonex specs 674mm but optimum specs 675mm), and then take a second measurement after stringing. The 2 measurements should be identical. If not tell the stringer off and look for another better one the next time.

[Oldhand]

If all else fails, have a go here:
1. String BG80 at 26lbs. This will give you a rough equivalent of BG66 at 29lbs.
2. Use 2-pc stringing, with the mandatory use of a true starting knot for the first cross string, which must be at the top. For the other 3 tie-offs, knot it 3 times.
3. If stringer is skilled enough, you can use 30lbs for the first 4 cross strings at the top and then go down to 28.6lbs for the remaining crosses.
4. Use 26lbs for the mains.
5. Take a measurement of the length of your racquet before stringing (Yonex specs 674mm but optimum specs 675mm), and then take a second measurement after stringing. The 2 measurements should be identical. If not tell the stringer off and look for another better one the next time.
taneepak, thanks for the tips.
I was hoping to try the NBG 98
But my stringer doesn't have it
Perhaps I will go back to BG 80 :)

[Pete LSD]

Send it to me for a 30 lbs X 33 lbs string job :p:D:D:D:D


taneepak, thanks for the tips.
I was hoping to try the NBG 98
But my stringer doesn't have it
Perhaps I will go back to BG 80 :)

[taneepak]

taneepak, thanks for the tips.
I was hoping to try the NBG 98
But my stringer doesn't have it
Perhaps I will go back to BG 80 :)

My advice is based on the assumption that you are using 29lbs on the mains.

[Changy216]

Does anyone have both the Arcsaber 7 and the Arcsaber 10? How do they compare? I'm playing with an arcsaber 7 right now and waiting on the 10. is it make a difference and worth it?

[jhirata]

Does anyone have both the Arcsaber 7 and the Arcsaber 10? How do they compare? I'm playing with an arcsaber 7 right now and waiting on the 10. is it make a difference and worth it?
Different people have different opinions.. some say that the arcsaber 7 and the arcsaber 10 performs exactly the same way, but some say that the arcsaber10 is the best yonex racquet ever.

[silentheart]

Does anyone have both the Arcsaber 7 and the Arcsaber 10? How do they compare? I'm playing with an arcsaber 7 right now and waiting on the 10. is it make a difference and worth it?
Next attraction, ARC10. Comming to IL soon...

[enhance]

I've played with the ARC Saber 10 several times...getting used to it now..

A good all rounder racquet, but abit lack of power compared to my Nano 8000? or maybe i still haven't got the right swing when smashing...

Had BG65@25pounds.....or maybe i should try other strings?

[F-Man]

Have been using this racket extensively now for quite a while. Tested it with almost every Yonex string other than the Cyber 100. Generally I feel that anything that is 0.7mm is too thick i.e. BG65, 65ti, 70. Racket feels a bit "dead" and not so responsive particularly at high tension. Mine is at 30x32lbs.

Personally I feel the ones at 0.68/0.69mm is ideal. That includes the 68ti, 80, NG95. The 85 is OK but at that price not really worth it. Not that many people like this string anyway.

BG66 feels good when it's fresh but will loose tension quite quickly and durability will be quite an issue too. At the end of day, that's my opinion. People otu there shoudl try it for themselves!

[h4n5ip]

just getting arch 10 last night 3UG5, string with 68ti 26-28lbs.
Forget to weight the balance point. any one share the BP?
Tonight will give it a try. I will share my feeling tomorrow on this weapon.

[ben-horn]

Arc 10 3uG4 Balance point 30cm with very thin overgrip and BG85.
I#m disappointed because i want a even balance.

[h4n5ip]

Just want to share my review on Arch 10

Arch 10 3UG5, Bg68ti, 26-28lbs

Game played

1 set (1x30)
I am trying to play fast with this weapon.
chops are very easy and accurate, the power also there.
netting is no problem at all, push shot was also done very easy and fast.
I realize that half smash from front court was quick and powerful, the racket seems to work well with my wrist. Defending smash also no problem at all.

2 set (1x30)
Now is my turn to play at the back court.
I tried to smash as hard as I could do. First it wasn't easy at all, I think I swung to fast, thus I missed the sweet spot. I used to play with Ti-10 and honestly it's different racket and feel. Need time to adjust timing on the smash. Btw when it hit on the sweet spot "Bang", the power was there.
I think I need more time to get the full potential of this weapon on smashing. For me I think is better getting 2U for more power, or maybe I can put something (like lindan did on his frame) to generate more power.
On my hand this 3U is so so so light.

general overview, is excellent all around racket. Good for doubles especially when playing fast and push shot. Power is there but not that extraordinary.

For me
Power = 9
Defense = 9.5
Control = 9.5
Manuver = 9.5

Will review more on the smash power as the time goes by.

[foo.tw]

2U arc10 28lbs BG80

manuverability: 8.5
For a 2U racket, it is only second to NS7000,etc.

control: 9
Outstanding in every way, though not as good as those control-oriented ones.

power: 9
Outstanding, almost as good as the most powerful ones.
However, note that it is not a stamina-efficient racket at all.

other things to be noted:
I would say this racket might be the best all-round racket to the present time if u got used to it.

With the fast swingspeed and it's heavy weight & balance, it has a great chance to lead to injury and fatique.

[foo.tw]

3U arc10 28lbs BG80

Manuverablilty: 9.5 Slower than ARC7 by a very small margin.

power: 8.5 better than 3U NS9000-S by a small margin, but the frame is more stable.

control: 9.5 It's in the best group.

other things to be noted:
Though not as powerful as the 2U ARC10, it is easier to manuver and generate power which is still moderate.

Balance and weight is still heavier than other rackets. But with the combination of not-too-stiff shaft, I think most players can manage with it without difficulties.

[Teppei]

I have played with this arc 10 for about 1 month and I feel that this is an excellent racket. I can recommend this baby for you badminton lover.
power = 9.0
defense = 9.5
control = 9.0
maneuverability = 9.0

I will stick to this racket for a long time...:)

[HKChua]

I have played with this arc 10 for about 1 month and I feel that this is an excellent racket. I can recommend this baby for you badminton lover.
power = 9.0
defense = 9.5
control = 9.0
maneuverability = 9.0

I will stick to this racket for a long time...:)

Care to share what strings are you using, what is your tension?

Thanks.

[Teppei]

Care to share what strings are you using, what is your tension?

Thanks.

BG 66 medium feel, 30lbs, 3U G5.
the control is very good, i can put my drop shot and especially back hand drop shot so smooth....:):)

Thanks Yonex.

[HKChua]

BG 66 medium feel, 30lbs, 3U G5.
the control is very good, i can put my drop shot and especially back hand drop shot so smooth....:):)

Thanks Yonex.

I replaced the string recently with BG80 and the smashing power deteriorated.

Will be changing back to BG66 again.

Thanks.

[SlaShEr]

Well..got an Arc10 as a surprise presents from my friends+ special someone ;)

Arc10, 3U G3
String BG-80 25lbs


Tried it last night. Well, like most people say bout this masterpiece...control was excellent...and when people say bout it being light...i dont really think so :)...the feeling was just nice. Dropshots, Slice, Crosscourts can be done easily

As for power, got decent power, strung at 25lbs using BG-80, but i still find the string to be kinda slack for me thus i can feel abit of power is lost. Will try to string it at a tighter tension somewhere around this week. :)

Till Then :D

[sumbadder]

Would you guys say this racket has the same pop as the original 3u Ti-10? I'm trying to see if this is the same kind of head-heavy piece of equipment I've been using for the last few years.

[andrew chan]

is the arcsaber 10 a more wristy racquet or an arm racquet? cause im lookign to get a racquet to help me use my wrist more, like the ti 10 does.

[SlaShEr]

im a wristy player myself and i find it's very comfortable to use the Arcsaber10.. :)

[andrew chan]

but does it force u to use ur wrist more like a ti-10? cause im more an arm player over wrist, not saying that i dont use wrist at all, but i feel i use more of my arm power than wrist

[SlaShEr]

never tried the new version ti-10 mate, used to own the old ti-10..no probs at all... :)
i just use any rackets that's available =P as long as i can hit the shuttle to the other side of the net...

[Teppei]

Well..got an Arc10 as a surprise presents from my friends+ special someone ;)

Arc10, 3U G3
String BG-80 25lbs


Tried it last night. Well, like most people say bout this masterpiece...control was excellent...and when people say bout it being light...i dont really think so :)...the feeling was just nice. Dropshots, Slice, Crosscourts can be done easily

As for power, got decent power, strung at 25lbs using BG-80, but i still find the string to be kinda slack for me thus i can feel abit of power is lost. Will try to string it at a tighter tension somewhere around this week. :)

Till Then :D

I recommend that you use BG 66 string at 29-30lbs. you will find that the control is getting better, and the smash wow.... (try using whipping technique when smashing....):D:D

You know i recommend this racket to all type of players. they will find that this racket is unique, excellent, so easy to use. something that make me love this babe more is it doesnt hurt my arm. i smash more and more but i dont hurt my arm anymore like before..... believe me...

[Sealman]

I replaced the string recently with BG80 and the smashing power deteriorated.

Will be changing back to BG66 again.


my $0.02 is BG66 @ your usual tension = BG80 @ 2lbs lower than your usual tension

[WWK207]

is the arcsaber 10 a more wristy racquet or an arm racquet? cause im lookign to get a racquet to help me use my wrist more, like the ti 10 does.

i think arc10 is a more wristy racquet. some might say it is good for both wrist and arm player, which i agree, but it should come out more power with correct technique.

I found the attached chart from a Chinese badminton website ( hope they dont mind ), that shows yonex offical recommendation for different lever player.( at the bottom of the chart ) The arc10 is most recommended for advanced or professional male player, which has double circles, and i believe an advanced player should be a wrist player. Correct me if i am wrong.

[smash23]

Hi WWK207,

Can I have the website where you download the chart?

If it is not convenient to post here, maybe you can PM me.

I just want to surf for more information.

Thanks.

Regards,
smash23

[Zero_Cool]

Please could someone translate the japanese/chinese bit, coz otherwise this is useless for people who don't read japanese/chinese.
Looking forward to understand...

Thanks

[CalvinSeak]

the chart is in japanese hehe

[WWK207]

Hi WWK207,

Can I have the website where you download the chart?

If it is not convenient to post here, maybe you can PM me.

I just want to surf for more information.

Thanks.

Regards,
smash23

http://at700.sakura.ne.jp/forumdisplay.php?fid=31

[yamhill]

so you think rackets like at900p or 700 are for players who use arm power, and have no wrist technique skillzz.

Surely lin dan, lcw, etc have proper technique, so why dont they use AS10 ? :confused:

I`m a beginner, who uses mainly armpower,and has weak wrist technique, so should I go for AT700 which is used by most top players :eek:

[HKChua]

so you think rackets like at900p or 700 are for players who use arm power, and have no wrist technique skillzz.

Surely lin dan, lcw, etc have proper technique, so why dont they use AS10 ? :confused:

I`m a beginner, who uses mainly armpower,and has weak wrist technique, so should I go for AT700 which is used by most top players :eek:

You should go for AT700...

Thanks.

[WWK207]

Please could someone translate the japanese/chinese bit, coz otherwise this is useless for people who don't read japanese/chinese.
Looking forward to understand...

Thanks

here is the chart in english. please correct if the translation is worng.

[crashandburn]

cheers, this is very useful...

[ben-horn]

If the translation is correct,it would mean;
At900t is fine for intermediate female but not intermediate male .???

[andrew chan]

thanks for the translation, but by the looks of the chart is says the 900-T is stiffer than the P, i dont think thats right, well at least from what i felt...

[WWK207]

thanks for the translation, but by the looks of the chart is says the 900-T is stiffer than the P, i dont think thats right, well at least from what i felt...

here is a link for yonex 08 catalog in japanese from shuttle house, just to show the chart is from official yonex. i think each person's feeling is different. too bad i never try both 900-t and 900-p, so i can say nothing.

http://shuttle-house.com/Page_Top_CHINESE/MAIL_ORDER/Meker_Catalog/08_YONEX/MIDDLE/P074.html

[WWK207]

If the translation is correct,it would mean;
At900t is fine for intermediate female but not intermediate male .???

well, it's only a recommendation from yonex. i am a beginner ( play badminton only for 1 and half year ), and my first and only racket is ns9000s, which is not recommended for beginner male from the chart.:)

[Teppei]

but does it force u to use ur wrist more like a ti-10? cause im more an arm player over wrist, not saying that i dont use wrist at all, but i feel i use more of my arm power than wrist

actually all badminton racket never designed to arm player.
train your wrist power first so you can enjoy playing badminton

never let your arm playing habit to last.
i know it's hard for the first time especially for one who used to do arm playing for a long time. but believe me you can change your style by training it and never depend on the racket to force you to play with your wrist.

that's my opinion.
hope can be useful for you...

[Teppei]

on my arc 10 racket there is a PBSI logo (printed on the cone)
is it always there on every yonex racket?

thank you

[Athelete1234]

If the translation is correct,it would mean;
At900t is fine for intermediate female but not intermediate male .???
Guys swing harder than girls in general, if they're at the same skill level. AT900T is very fast, hard to time. It'll be difficult to get a lot of power out of it, while it will be able to reward a female player because it will be nice and easy to swing. Just my opinion.

[Athelete1234]

i think arc10 is a more wristy racquet. some might say it is good for both wrist and arm player, which i agree, but it should come out more power with correct technique.

I found the attached chart from a Chinese badminton website ( hope they dont mind ), that shows yonex offical recommendation for different lever player.( at the bottom of the chart ) The arc10 is most recommended for advanced or professional male player, which has double circles, and i believe an advanced player should be a wrist player. Correct me if i am wrong.
I don't think this has to do with whether one uses arm or wrist to play; ideally, if you can swing the racquet fast, and dont' slice, any racquet will be good for you, in my opinion. While a lot of people play well with wrist, a lot of players also play well with arm; any of these people may love ARC10. For me, I use both my arm and wrist to play, but I use an "arm" racquet (AT700) and a "wrist racquet" (AT900T), but my technique never changes. Just my 2 cents.

[sifuyono]

on my arc 10 racket there is a PBSI logo (printed on the cone)
is it always there on every yonex racket?

thank you
not always:)
some have, some dont, depends on the area distribution.
if it's around southeast asia likely PBSI logo on the cone available

[andrew chan]

its not like i dont use my wrist, its just that i feel the speed of my swing does more than snapping my wrist really fast, that what i mean, its not like im using tennis swings or anything

[sifuyono]

actually all badminton racket never designed to arm player....
how do you know?? mostly head heavy racquet surely design for arm player instead wrist. Added some wrist power then it'll explode the shot

[Master Yoda]

so you think rackets like at900p or 700 are for players who use arm power, and have no wrist technique skillzz.

Surely lin dan, lcw, etc have proper technique, so why dont they use AS10 ? :confused:

I`m a beginner, who uses mainly armpower,and has weak wrist technique, so should I go for AT700 which is used by most top players :eek:

No racket is meant for arm power. If you aren't using your wrist then you aren't performing good techniques. Get some lessons and a rubbish racket, you'll play better then if you don't have lessons and have a wicked racket.

[Teppei]

how do you know?? mostly head heavy racquet surely design for arm player instead wrist. Added some wrist power then it'll explode the shot

that's right. no badm. racket is meant to be used with arm power. of course arm is used when playing badm but it is not the main element. wrist is the main component.

[needspeed]

what are all these wrist/arm BS. IMO, as long as ur technique make u feel good(power, speed, control) & comfortable, u can use whatever musles u like:D

[smash23]

Hi Friend,

I think it is out of topic already.

This is Arcsaber 10 Review not discussing about arm power or wrist.

Maybe you guy have to open another tread to discuss about this.

[Teppei]

Hi Friend,

I think it is out of topic already.

This is Arcsaber 10 Review not discussing about arm power or wrist.

Maybe you guy have to open another tread to discuss about this.

agree.
back to topic
is there anyone who ever disappoint with this arc 10?

[HKChua]

agree.
back to topic
is there anyone who ever disappoint with this arc 10?

Not yet! :D. Still happily using my 2 Arc Saber 10.

Well... smashing with Arc Saber can be as good as my previous AT-700 (Old), and it is swifter to move around or recovering smashes from opponenets.

It is certainly an ideal racket, especially when you are playing doubles.

Thanks.

[h4n5ip]

Having played almost 3 sessions now. 1 session 3 hours.
Still couldn't find my smash with this arch 10. My friend told me that my smash is much better with ti-10. Except that arch 10 is winner.
Now, I am trying to find lead weight tape (like lindan did) to make more head heavy. For me I regret not taking the 2U version, moreover, in SP doesn't have 2U.
Any of you guys having same problem? any solution?

[HKChua]

Having played almost 3 sessions now. 1 session 3 hours.
Still couldn't find my smash with this arch 10. My friend told me that my smash is much better with ti-10. Except that arch 10 is winner.
Now, I am trying to find lead weight tape (like lindan did) to make more head heavy. For me I regret not taking the 2U version, moreover, in SP doesn't have 2U.
Any of you guys having same problem? any solution?

No, no, you don't need add any lead tape.

Simply swing your arm and snap on contact.

Thanks.

[sifuyono]

adding tape make your arc-10 become at-700 again.
so it's should be fair to trade between power vs manouverability

[Teppei]

Not yet! :D. Still happily using my 2 Arc Saber 10.

Well... smashing with Arc Saber can be as good as my previous AT-700 (Old), and it is swifter to move around or recovering smashes from opponenets.

It is certainly an ideal racket, especially when you are playing doubles.

Thanks.

Hallo HKChua..
I think we are in the same style.
you know, I am very happy that Yonex invented this kind of racket
my play improves so much...

i can play (offensively) and defensively with great control something that i didnt have with my armortec 800 off. and I DONT hurt my arm and elbow anymore.
I can put the birdie so nicely almost everywhere in the court.....
it's amazed me....

[h4n5ip]

No, no, you don't need add any lead tape.

Simply swing your arm and snap on contact.

Thanks.

I could smash, the result was just OK. The feeling is different with ti-10.
I think long handle also make different, make control much easier, but on the other hands, smashing momentum I think is affected.
One more thing, I feel this racket is so light.
Different person has different feel, I will still find lead weight tape and find out if that will make different.

Any one has 2U want to exchange with me :D:D:D

[HKChua]

Hallo HKChua..
I think we are in the same style.
you know, I am very happy that Yonex invented this kind of racket
my play improves so much...

i can play (offensively) and defensively with great control something that i didnt have with my armortec 800 off. and I DONT hurt my arm and elbow anymore.
I can put the birdie so nicely almost everywhere in the court.....
it's amazed me....

There are people who try to swing the arm to hit the shuttle, finding that the Arc 10 has no power. The purpose of the swing is to increase momentum no doubt, but... more importantly abrupt snap on contact will fully optimize the high repulsion properties created with the Super HMG and carbon nanotube....

Thanks.

[h4n5ip]

There are people who try to swing the arm to hit the shuttle, finding that the Arc 10 has no power. The purpose of the swing is to increase momentum no doubt, but... more importantly abrupt snap on contact will fully optimize the high repulsion properties created with the Super HMG and carbon nanotube....

Thanks.

I already using my wrist on smashing.
Ti-10 also require wrist to maximize smashing power.
What I said, my smash was better using ti-10 than this arch 10.

[HKChua]

I already using my wrist on smashing.
Ti-10 also require wrist to maximize smashing power.
What I said, my smash was better using ti-10 than this arch 10.

I fully agree.

AT-700 > TI-10 > ARC 10

Thanks.

[sifuyono]

Now you mention that Chua....

[HKChua]

Now you mention that Chua....

:D All these while I have not deny the fact that AT700 > AT-900 > ARC 10 in terms of smashing.

I have also mentioned earlier that 'POWER' is not just about smashing. What Arc 10 offers is its all rounded properties; drop, push, drive, slice.... and moderate smashing....

I never believe that one can produce so many killing smashes that he actually won the entire game with his smashes...

I argued that due to the fact that many players are holding very high range rackets, recovering smashes generated by AT-700 is quite an easy task. Before you can kill your opponents with smashes, you already kill your own game because you drained out all your energy.

Thus, selecting a good racket should consider more than just smashes.

Using the Arc Saber 10, you feel that you can last longer. They say it is better. :D

Thanks.

[Sealman]

Still happily using my 2 Arc Saber 10.

Well... smashing with Arc Saber can be as good as my previous AT-700 (Old), and it is swifter to move around or recovering smashes from opponenets.

It is certainly an ideal racket, especially when you are playing doubles.


HKChua, just wondering what's your level of play? do you play in competitions with the Arc Saber 10?

[HKChua]

HKChua, just wondering what's your level of play? do you play in competitions with the Arc Saber 10?

I am 45.

I have been playing badminton since 1979...well...:D... still learning. I don't play in competitions now. My friend does, he is having 2 former Chinese national players in his team for veteran competition...

I play for good health.

Just to let those who only smashes for the entire game know, I prefer AT-700 for smashing. :rolleyes:... wonder if I can hold 2 rackets at the same time..:D.

Thanks again.

[Dreamzz]

I am 45.

I have been playing badminton since 1979...well...:D... still learning. I don't play in competitions now. My friend does, he is having 2 former Chinese national players in his team for veteran competition...

I play for good health.

Just to let those who only smashes for the entire game know, I prefer AT-700 for smashing. :rolleyes:... wonder if I can hold 2 rackets at the same time..:D.

Thanks again.

sure, 1 in your left hand for net shots, and 1 in your right hand for smashes.
that way, you'll never need your backhand again!
:rolleyes:

[pramana]

I am not trying to hijack this threat, but want to make sensible comparison.

The following images are APACS EdgeSaber 10. At the retail price of 30% to Yonex, I think it is a very reasonable offer for a high quality racket. If you are an average player, like myself, you will not find the different on holding $240.00 Yonex to $58 APACS.

I am not sure if APACS intention is to copy Yonex. However, if it is, the company is trying harder than most knock-off manufactures in this industry. I really recommend this racket and other rackets made by APACS.

By the way, I am not associated to APACS what so ever. I just want to give everyone options to cope with other rackets at more reasonable price.

[HKChua]

I am not trying to hijack this threat, but want to make sensible comparison.

The following images are APACS EdgeSaber 10. At the retail price of 30% to Yonex, I think it is a very reasonable offer for a high quality racket. If you are an average player, like myself, you will not find the different on holding $240.00 Yonex to $58 APACS.

I am not sure if APACS intention is to copy Yonex. However, if it is, the company is trying harder than most knock-off manufactures in this industry. I really recommend this racket and other rackets made by APACS.

By the way, I am not associated to APACS what so ever. I just want to give everyone options to cope with other rackets at more reasonable price.

Well.... it is easy to copy the balance point, weight, size and design, including the paintwork...

But.... the main component is not present; the material is different. The moment you hit the shuttle, you can tell the difference...

Thanks.

[twobeer]

To be honest I am rather tired of all the "me-too" rackets!!

Before buying something like the "EdgeSabre" you should really ask yourself:

(and answer honestly!!!)

If the racket was not painted similiar to the Yonex model (lets think black/blue here for example), and had a completely different name for example "Apacs Swingspeed 82" or something like that but still was the same as the current model.. would you still buy it???

If you answer yes, it is a good buy.. If you answer no, or "probably not", then you are really just buying the looks and the "name" of another brand... not the properties of the actual apacs racket (which you have no clue if they are at all similar to an ARC-10!!!)

/Twobeer

[HKChua]

String the Arc 10 at 28 LBS and have it for your games for three hours a day, three times a week.

You will be pretty surprised! If you were to string an AT-700 or AT-900 at this tension, you will have tired muscles. Whereas, with ARC10, you feel perfectly OK.

I still believe that ARC10 have better 'vibration dampening' properties, reducing the unnecessary vibrations due from impact the shuttle at higher tension.

This property alone makes it worthwhile to carry the SABER...

Just my 2 cents.

Thanks.

[docruben7]

I have been happily playing with arcsaber10 for 1 month already, my only complain is that after several hours of playing badminton the racquet feels heavy already. I was able to overcome this by changing my racquet to nanospeed 8000. I know this might be a silly question but is there a way to make this racquet more light? (how about chipping off some wood in the handle?)

[Zero_Cool]

Heavy..?
That's funny, coz I feel it "light" , well at least compare to my at900p/at700 etc....played with it for few hrs good rackets overall but my smashes a bit "less venom" ...!

[taneepak]

Compare the X-section of your AT700, NS8000, NS9000, AT900 and ArcSaber 10 by placing them down on a flat table with the top part of the racquets against each other. The one with the narrowest x-section is the fastest racquet, the one with the thickest the slowest and heaviest (swingweight). If you have a 2U the racquet cannot be considered remotely as a fast racquet. A fast racquet is one that cuts through space with the least resistance in all directions.

[h4n5ip]

I have been happily playing with arcsaber10 for 1 month already, my only complain is that after several hours of playing badminton the racquet feels heavy already. I was able to overcome this by changing my racquet to nanospeed 8000. I know this might be a silly question but is there a way to make this racquet more light? (how about chipping off some wood in the handle?)


Heavy :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Not for me, I feel so light compare to ti-10.
what spec do you use? 3U or 2U?
if you use 2U maybe you can exchange with me :D:D:D

For me I would like to make this racket even heavier.

sanding the wood will only make even head heavier, the total weight may reduce but not much.

[tango]

I know this might be a silly question but is there a way to make this racquet more light? (how about chipping off some wood in the handle?)

well, i think u should do otherwise
instead of make the handle lighter, u should make it heavier
which consequently the head became lighter just like NS series

i'm not realli sure abt this, just found out recently
2 of my most frequently used yonexes are:
1. 3UG5 AT900T SP
2. 3UG4 NS7000 CH (old)
i haven't got them weighted precisely,
but i think the NS should weigh more due to bigger grip size
yet when i swing, i felt that NS is lighter
both rackets strung with BG66, same tension, same stringer
both also got the original grip layer taken off,
leaving the wood handle wrapped with 1 layer of electrical tape
prior to the same hi-qua titanium overgrip

given the same circumstances, i found that
even AT is suppose to be lighter though hasn't measured properly,
it felt heavier than NS when played, thus tiring me out faster.
its due to AT's head heaviness.

so if u want a "light feel" racket, u should make it head light somehow:D
just like the head light NS
but it would sacrifice ARC10's smash even more from
the ARC10's original "already not so good" smash

[tango]

Heavy..?
That's funny, coz I feel it "light" , well at least compare to my at900p/at700 etc


Heavy :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Not for me, I feel so light compare to ti-10.

both u guys using head heavy rackets for comparison.
ARC10 head is lighter than those, so it is kind of "lighter"
but compared to head light rackets like NS series
it is "heavier"

[docruben7]

Mine is 3U. Yeah I guess sanding the handle might make it head heavy slowing the racquet. I guess i should instead focus on how to make may arm stronger so I could play longer :-)

[0ut0ftheb0xcrap]

uh.heard arcsaber 10 is all-rounder racket.compared wif at900t wad r e differences =X

[foo.tw]

My ARc10s' Balance points = those of my AT900Ps.

[h4n5ip]

Got the lead weight tape (LWT) yesterday.
BP before putting LWT = 30cm
BP after putting LWT = 31cm

Couldn't wait to give it a try tonight. Tried to swing last night, It felt better. Hope it will be better on the game too.

[h4n5ip]

Instead of stick on the 10 to 2 o'clock.
reading the instruction to get power is sticking both sides around 9.30-11.30 and 12.30-2.30

the weight tape is some kind of metal with double tape. Tried to take out the tape, the frame wasn't damage at all.

[sifuyono]

oh... there is the instruction? i dont know about thaat, i usually get tape stick full round frame 360 degree.

[cooler]

Instead of stick on the 10 to 2 o'clock.
reading the instruction to get power is sticking both sides around 9.30-11.30 and 12.30-2.30

the weight tape is some kind of metal with double tape. Tried to take out the tape, the frame wasn't damage at all.why not just get an at700 or at900p or at800of? it would be cheaper too.

[taneepak]

Take care when handling lead tape because it is toxic. Do not touch it with your hands.
Lead tape on badminton racquets is not the same as on tennis racquets. In tennis you use quite a lot of lead tape to give you more weight and more power if it is placed at the top. For badminton there is only one place to place it, and that is on the inside (both insides) of the racquet top, where it should not span more than 35mm and its total weight should be no more than 0.8g. This is to ensure that the racquet is still fast in all directions of the racquet swing, whether it is a flat drive or a smash or a lift or a drop or a swipe or push.

[h4n5ip]

oh... there is the instruction? i dont know about thaat, i usually get tape stick full round frame 360 degree.

Yup there was the instruction. stick on 10-2 o'clock for bigger sweetspot.
10-11 and 1-2 for power, and one more I forgot.

It's a tennis lead weight tape. it comes only 3 pieces.
1 pc = 20cm long. 0.5cm width

[h4n5ip]

why not just get an at700 or at900p or at800of? it would be cheaper too.

I like slim head.
Arch 10 is excellent for all things except smash. Just wondering and trying to maximize the smash power.
I should have got 2U, it will be just nice.

[h4n5ip]

Finally the experiment has been paid off.
Tried to play last night with this lead weight tape, honestly it felt so head heavy, thus I cut on both side another 1.5 cm.
Now the lead weight tape stick on 10-11 and 1-2 o'clock position.

The result was amazing, I felt the racket head more solid. My swing momentum was great, Now I can smash as strong as ti-10 and even more precise. Other things drop shot, drive, etc was not affected at all.

If any of you guys have the same problem with smashing, I will recommend this way.
Now I give this racket 2 thumbs up. PERFECTOOOO :D:D:D

[Sealman]

h4n5ip, what's the weight of your arc saber 10 now?

[SpendorK]

How much is the lead weight tape ? Thank you.

[andrew chan]

whats the new bp?

[Teppei]

The result was amazing, I felt the racket head more solid. My swing momentum was great, Now I can smash as strong as ti-10 and even more precise. Other things drop shot, drive, etc was not affected at all.

If any of you guys have the same problem with smashing, I will recommend this way.
Now I give this racket 2 thumbs up. PERFECTOOOO :D:D:D

@h4n5ip
interested in your experience
how can i get the lead weight tape. is there any brand you recommend?
it's the first time heard about this tape.
i don't think i can get it in Manado...:crying:

[sifuyono]

h4nsip saber-10 already become at-700

[taneepak]

h4nsip saber-10 already become at-700

This is an expensive way to an AT-700. BTW, there is simply no way the ArcSaber 10 can become an AT-700. Their architecture is different from each other.

[HKChua]

This is an expensive way to an AT-700. BTW, there is simply no way the ArcSaber 10 can become an AT-700. Their architecture is different from each other.

Well... may be he phrased it wrongly, it is not AT-700, it should be Arc Saber 70.. :D

Thanks.

[sifuyono]

same shaft stiffness, now became same head heavier as AT-700, 2nd generation of AT-700 i mention...

[taneepak]

same shaft stiffness, now became same head heavier as AT-700, 2nd generation of AT-700 i mention...

The AT-700 belongs to the AT family of racquets and an AT900 is closer to an AT700 than an AT700 is to a so-called "second generation" AT-700 made from an ArcSaber 10.
You can make any racquet head-heavy, including $10 racquets, but that is not another generation of AT-700.

[h4n5ip]

@Sealman
I haven't weight the racket, no scale.

@spendork
it cost me US 6. 3pcs of lead tape. each lead tape around 20cm length and 5mm width. Its a tennis lead tape.

@andrew chan
the new Bp now is 310mm

@teppei
find in tennis shop. I think there are several types and models.

@taneepak
wrong, it's not the expensive way of at700.
you will not get the feeling of slim shaft on at700.
Manuver, control, choping, drive was excellent and now smashing is killing.

I agree with HKChua..... its a Arch saber 70.

For those who feel less power for this arch 10, I recommended this way.
BTW it's nothing to lose, the lead weight tape is cheap, secure, no damage the racket at all, Please try your selves.

[andrew chan]

thanks for the info, i hope u enjoy, lead tape can be purchased from a local racquet shop correct? and how did u match up the tape strips exactly on the racquet

[joone427]

check out http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54379 to see the pics of my chaopai nano power 728 with added lead tape on it (0.5 gm on each side 10 and 2 o'clock).. it's a good racquet and now it's even better.. it's comparable to my AT700 in power.. bought it at my local sporting goods store for $6

[joone427]

here's the link http://www.golfsmith.com/products/242573 or http://www.golfsmith.com/products/9065

[joone427]

here are some pics

41236
41237
41238
41239

[h4n5ip]

thanks for the info, i hope u enjoy, lead tape can be purchased from a local racquet shop correct? and how did u match up the tape strips exactly on the racquet

the lead tape weight can be purchased in tennis or golf shop.
go to your nearby shop and try it by yourself.
Pick the one that you think it suitable for your racket.

[phandrew]

here are some pics

41236
41237
41238
41239

How did you put the lead tape on without it falling off?

[HKChua]

How did you put the lead tape on without it falling off?

It will stick on the frame quite well; not falling off even if you smash really hard.

I had just ordered a roll of the lead tape. Without the lead tape I am already happy with the smashes. Well.... will just stick on a few pieces on my frame, no harm anyway. :D

Thanks.

[h4n5ip]

It will stick on the frame quite well; not falling off even if you smash really hard.

I had just ordered a roll of the lead tape. Without the lead tape I am already happy with the smashes. Well.... will just stick on a few pieces on my frame, no harm anyway. :D

Thanks.

Please give your comment after using it.
I also recommend to stick on both side between 9.30-11 and 1-2.30
However, you can always experience the weight so that it will suit you most.

GOOD LUCK and WELCOME TO ARCH 70 :D:D:D:D

[sifuyono]

for max power, also recommended stick at precise 9.31'25'' to 11.03'44'' hehehe... i dont know how to read that...

[HKChua]

Please give your comment after using it.
I also recommend to stick on both side between 9.30-11 and 1-2.30
However, you can always experience the weight so that it will suit you most.

GOOD LUCK and WELCOME TO ARCH 70 :D:D:D:D

:D Well... I have been using the lead tapes all the while. I sticked them to my AT-700.

Thanks.

[SpendorK]

I've got the tape.


http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z69/calaf_2007/IMGP9831.jpg

[HKChua]

I've got the tape.




How much did you pay?

Thanks.

[h4n5ip]

[quote=SpendorK;853957]I've got the tape.

Well done.
That's the one that I am using.
May be you can take picture of the back, because there are instruction on how to use.

[taneepak]

Putting lead tape at the various places suggested so far is not optimal. These spots are relevant only for tennis racquets. In badminton adding lead tape along the sides, especially on iso-shaped racquets, will make it unwieldy. Badminton racquets need that airy feeling unemcumbered by extra weights on the frame sides.The key is to add the minimal weight at a location that gives the most in power and in moving the sweetspot the farthest towards the top. That means a total of not more than 0.8g at the tip of the racquet top and on the inner side of the frame because this way every shot will push the lead tape towards the frame surface instead of away from the frame.
It is better to put in the extra weight at the tip of the top of the racquet when the racquet is in the mold. To get an extra 0.8g you need to add 1g of extra hmg, which after the grommet holes are drilled will leave you a net weight of 0.8g.
There is a formula to compute the desired balance point when you add lead tape on to the frame. If interested I can post it here.

[HKChua]

Putting lead tape at the various places suggested so far is not optimal. These spots are relevant only for tennis racquets. In badminton adding lead tape along the sides, especially on iso-shaped racquets, will make it unwieldy. Badminton racquets need that airy feeling unemcumbered by extra weights on the frame sides.The key is to add the minimal weight at a location that gives the most in power and in moving the sweetspot the farthest towards the top. That means a total of not more than 0.8g at the tip of the racquet top and on the inner side of the frame because this way every shot will push the lead tape towards the frame surface instead of away from the frame.
It is better to put in the extra weight at the tip of the top of the racquet when the racquet is in the mold. To get an extra 0.8g you need to add 1g of extra hmg, which after the grommet holes are drilled will leave you a net weight of 0.8g.
There is a formula to compute the desired balance point when you add lead tape on to the frame. If interested I can post it here.

Hi taneepak,

Please do post, everyone will appreciate.

thanks.

[SpendorK]

S$6


http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z69/calaf_2007/IMGP9834.jpg

[h4n5ip]

Thanks spendork. My friend took the lead weight tape so I didn't have the packaging in my hand.

Can you figure out what is the total weight of 1pc?
Is there any information of the total weight for 1pc?
In the instruction it said stick on both side 1.5 grams. So that both side added together 3 grams.
I think the total weight is more than 3 grams for one pc.

[SpendorK]

Thanks spendork. My friend took the lead weight tape so I didn't have the packaging in my hand.

Can you figure out what is the total weight of 1pc?
Is there any information of the total weight for 1pc?
In the instruction it said stick on both side 1.5 grams. So that both side added together 3 grams.
I think the total weight is more than 3 grams for one pc.


There's no info for weight.

[h4n5ip]

Ok. Thanks.
Pls give us some comments after using it.

GOOD LUCKS

[taneepak]

These are lead tapes for tennis, usually American made. They are crude, big, ugly, dull, cheap looking, and not dense enough. They are too wide and you need to cut them into narrower strips. But this gets you into the danger zone of toxicity because you will need to use your hands. Get those from Japan that are made specifically for badminton-narrow, beautiful with a permanent mirror finish, and small but heavy. A 25mm long strip, with a very narrow width, weighs 0.375g.
The formula to compute your new b/p :
New b/p = (weight of lead tape/total weight of racquet inclusive of lead tape) x (distance from lead tape to current b/p) + current b/p. Let us say your racquet is 675mm long, its current b/p with strings is 300mm, and the racquet total weight is 90g. If you put on a lead tape at the tip of the racquet top at say 670mm from the butt end, which is slightly shorter than the length of the 675mm racquet, the distance between this spot and the current b/p is 670mm - 300mm = 370mm. If you add 0.9g of lead tape on this spot, your new b/p will be = 0.9 /90.9 x 370mm + 300mm. The answer is roughly 304mm.

[smash23]

Why don't you guy go for Armortec 700 or 900 Power if you need a head heavy racket?

Using lead tape will only spoilt the racket original feeling and wasting Yonex's engineer effort.

Let's don't spoilt the original Arcsaber 10.

Just my 2 cents...

[taneepak]

Why don't you guy go for Armortec 700 or 900 Power if you need a head heavy racket?

Using lead tape will only spoilt the racket original feeling and wasting Yonex's engineer effort.

Let's don't spoilt the original Arcsaber 10.

Just my 2 cents...

As a purist I agree. However for those who have bought the ArcSaber 10 and find it is not their cup of tea, they think that adding lead tape will transform it to an AT racquet with more power.

[SpendorK]

:D:D:D

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[taneepak]

:D:D:D

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This is not the way to put lead tape on a badminton racquet. The lead tape should never be on the outside of the frame in a badminton racquet, and it is wrongly placed at the top 2 corners. The only place to place lead tape in a badminton racquet is at the 12 o'clock covering a length of not more than 30mm on both the inner sides of the frame-the same spot where stringers place load spreaders when stringing. Putting lead tape on the corners or sides of the frame makes the racquet play like a tennis racquet used to play badminton-ponderous with loss of whip, flex, speed, and maneuverability.
Remember, any lead tape on a frame increases air resistance, which is one reason why you must make sure that the lead tape must have a very small foot print, a low profile, and has very high density.

[joone427]

if it works for other ppl then let them have it.. a lot of ppl here bought the Arcsaber 10 with the expectation that it will have a lot of smashing power only to find out that it doesn't.. now what to do?? ppl resort to modding their Arcsaber 10 to make it head heavy coz they like playing with new racquet and miss the power of their old racquet (AT700 for example).. i suggest that we just help each other out so we can figure out the right amount and proper placement of weight on the racquet.. i read a couple of ppl were pretty happy with their Arc10 with the added weight so more POWER to them.. no fun intended :)

[Tsumaranai]

if it works for other ppl then let them have it.. a lot of ppl here bought the Arcsaber 10 with the expectation that it will have a lot of smashing power only to find out that it doesn't.. now what to do?? ppl resort to modding their Arcsaber 10 to make it head heavy coz they like playing with new racquet and miss the power of their old racquet (AT700 for example).. i suggest that we just help each other out so we can figure out the right amount and proper placement of weight on the racquet.. i read a couple of ppl were pretty happy with their Arc10 with the added weight so more POWER to them.. no fun intended :)

I'm sorry. I just have to..:D:D:D:p:p:p

[SpendorK]

This is not the way to put lead tape on a badminton racquet. The lead tape should never be on the outside of the frame in a badminton racquet, and it is wrongly placed at the top 2 corners. The only place to place lead tape in a badminton racquet is at the 12 o'clock covering a length of not more than 30mm on both the inner sides of the frame-the same spot where stringers place load spreaders when stringing. Putting lead tape on the corners or sides of the frame makes the racquet play like a tennis racquet used to play badminton-ponderous with loss of whip, flex, speed, and maneuverability.
Remember, any lead tape on a frame increases air resistance, which is one reason why you must make sure that the lead tape must have a very small foot print, a low profile, and has very high density.


Thank you, will try your way later. :)

[LouisW]

I will only apply lead tape on my cheapo racquets.

I always believe adding lead tape to high end racquet not only affect/shorthen the life span of that racquet but also destroy the design.

[Matt]

if it works for other ppl then let them have it.. a lot of ppl here bought the Arcsaber 10 with the expectation that it will have a lot of smashing power only to find out that it doesn't.. now what to do?? ppl resort to modding their Arcsaber 10 to make it head heavy coz they like playing with new racquet and miss the power of their old racquet (AT700 for example).. i suggest that we just help each other out so we can figure out the right amount and proper placement of weight on the racquet.. i read a couple of ppl were pretty happy with their Arc10 with the added weight so more POWER to them.. no fun intended :)

Just to add-in. Even some of the pros pro's add led tape to their rackets (ie. Lin Dan).

[HKChua]

Just to add-in. Even some of the pros pro's add led tape to their rackets (ie. Lin Dan).

I bought a new Merz. All the reems are already balanced with lead add-ons. Adding lead add-ons does not change the basic structure of the car, nor affecting its performance. In fact, it improves performance because of balancing.

Adding add-ons does not affect the originity of the car...

Same hypothesis....

Thanks.

[taneepak]

I bought a new Merz. All the reems are already balanced with lead add-ons. Adding lead add-ons does not change the basic structure of the car, nor affecting its performance. In fact, it improves performance because of balancing.

Adding add-ons does not affect the originity of the car...

Same hypothesis....

Thanks.

As a matter of fact, adding anything with weight to the rotating parts of an automobile will affect performance, the more the weights are farther out towards the tyres the worse it becomes. A good tyre fitter should use the minimum of lead weight to balance the tyre/wheel.
This is because the lighter the rotating components, those that propel the car, of a car the faster and more powerful becomes.
The same thing applies to badminton racquets. Every 1g you add to a 90g racquet on the frame will slow it down. Remember the extra weight may help those with slower hand speed to smash or clear better but what next when they have to hit shots up or flat?

[h4n5ip]

Why don't you guy go for Armortec 700 or 900 Power if you need a head heavy racket?

Using lead tape will only spoilt the racket original feeling and wasting Yonex's engineer effort.

Let's don't spoilt the original Arcsaber 10.

Just my 2 cents...

I think you are not following the discussion :p:p
I satisfied with this arch 10, it's only less power.
It has also slim shaft which AT700 and 900P do not have.
Thus I am trying to fully maximize the power by doing some experiences.
Honestly I am doing it by reading and finding that Lin Dan is using it.
So is Lindan spoiling the original at700? may be yes, but I think he is personally happy with it. Same with me.
And the good of this forum is to share what I felt to one who has same problem with me.

[h4n5ip]

:D:D:D

Have you tried to play with it?
Pls share your feeling.

Mine, I put little bit down.
Is like 9.30 to 11. The felling is solid and my smash is much better. BTW is your call.

[HKChua]

Have you tried to play with it?
Pls share your feeling.

Mine, I put little bit down.
Is like 9.30 to 11. The felling is solid and my smash is much better. BTW is your call.

Actually... I share taneepak's view, placing it at 12 O'clock should be more adequate.

Well... if you like it placing an entire strip from 10 0'clock to 2 O'clock is still OK, as long as you can wield it. The badminton law never states that you cannot add lead, since improving power is forgoing control....

Thanks.

[njoylife]

Might as well, you design 1 racket with all the Balance Point that you like.

You want to put until the head heavy like 2kg also can.

How slim is the shaft that you like maybe 1mm.

Put the NOS at the graphite, when you smash you can press a button to activate the NOS. So your smash is powerful.

Spoilt the name of YONEX only. Cheh





I think you are not following the discussion :p:p
I satisfied with this arch 10, it's only less power.
It has also slim shaft which AT700 and 900P do not have.
Thus I am trying to fully maximize the power by doing some experiences.
Honestly I am doing it by reading and finding that Lin Dan is using it.
So is Lindan spoiling the original at700? may be yes, but I think he is personally happy with it. Same with me.
And the good of this forum is to share what I felt to one who has same problem with me.

[HKChua]

Might as well, you design 1 racket with all the Balance Point that you like.

You want to put until the head heavy like 2kg also can.

How slim is the shaft that you like maybe 1mm.

Put the NOS at the graphite, when you smash you can press a button to activate the NOS. So your smash is powerful.

Spoilt the name of YONEX only. Cheh

This thread is about using the Arc Saber 10. You mean adding 2kg on the frame? Wonder if you could kindly show us how to add.

Thanks.

[sifuyono]

Might as well, you design 1 racket with all the Balance Point that you like.

You want to put until the head heavy like 2kg also can.

How slim is the shaft that you like maybe 1mm.

Put the NOS at the graphite, when you smash you can press a button to activate the NOS. So your smash is powerful.

Spoilt the name of YONEX only. Cheh
please stop this nonsense joke..:mad::mad:

[SpendorK]

please stop this nonsense joke..:mad::mad:


Don't be :mad:, he's just a new member. :)

[HKChua]

Don't be :mad:, he's just a new member. :)

He created a new account because he wanted to be sarcastic while not affecting his existing account. A new member will not be so daring to be so sarcastic, negative remarks will only invite negative results. Instead of being constructive, he is telling you to add 2kg on the frame!! :D

I don't see any reason why people cannot add lead tapes on the frame. I have been playing badminton for these number of years (approx. 30 years), I really cannot comprehend the rationale behind.

Thanks.

[kristian]

ha ha,maybe the new member is yonex messenger who affraid that people wont buy new yonex racket,but just modified the existing racket become what we want.cause this modification really2 interisting.Even I put golf lead tape which one heavier than tennis lead tape on my nanospeed 8000.

if every people can modified nano 8000 became arc saber 10,maybe more powerfull than arc saber 10, why do people should buy arc saber 10?,only for solid feel?,I think it dooesnt to important,nano 8000 already had sold feeling to,even arc saber feel nicer than nano 8000

I mean this modification can make Y.... profit goes down,if everybody know about this,thats why i always keep telling Hansip dont tell to anybody about this modification,except people that u already known well.

ha2 interisting isnt it ??
armortec 800 defense can become 800 off
iso swing power ss can become sx
even sx can become ss

:)

[HKChua]

...
I mean this modification can make Y.... profit goes down,if everybody know about this,thats why i always keep telling Hansip dont tell to anybody about this modification,except people that u already known well...
:)

Arc Saber 10 offers more than just something similar. The frame of Arc Saber 10 is very stable and strong (touch wood!). The paint work seems excellent too; it don't chip off so easily.

This Tuesday evening, I have a minor clash because my new partner cut into my path, snatching my shuttle. I pulled back my Arc Saber but... the clash was still unavoidable... I was pretty surprised. I heard the metal clashing sound, and you can feel that you are having a strong racket (don't test it please! :D). The entire racket was intact; no chip off at all.

Thanks.

[taneepak]

Hi Chua, racquets that can withstand clashes are not necessarily the best racquets. Actually the best racquets using the best materials will not sell, simply because they will shatter from even minor clashes. Racquets are marketing compromises. Racquets that use the raw materials kevlar and hmg can withstand clashes better than others. The trick is to make a kevlar/hmg material racquet with high playability-it is not easy because you have to try out various kevlar/hmg/uhmg/epoxy resin matrix. At best you can make a good kevlar racquet but not a great one.

[taneepak]

Arc Saber 10 offers more than just something similar. The frame of Arc Saber 10 is very stable and strong (touch wood!). The paint work seems excellent too; it don't chip off so easily.

This Tuesday evening, I have a minor clash because my new partner cut into my path, snatching my shuttle. I pulled back my Arc Saber but... the clash was still unavoidable... I was pretty surprised. I heard the metal clashing sound, and you can feel that you are having a strong racket (don't test it please! :D). The entire racket was intact; no chip off at all.

Thanks.

It may shock you, the fancy paintwork in your racquet is cosmetic and contributes nothing to a racquet's playability. In fact it adds unnecessary weight in the form of a coating of paint instead of more of the raw material matrix. It also forms a non-homogeneous bond with the frame, resulting in a loss of tactile feel. If you can strip all the paint, undercoat and polish off your racquet, down to its "off-the-mold" state, you will get back that tactile feel with every shot.

[HKChua]

It may shock you, the fancy paintwork in your racquet is cosmetic and contributes nothing to a racquet's playability. In fact it adds unnecessary weight in the form of a coating of paint instead of more of the raw material matrix. It also forms a non-homogeneous bond with the frame, resulting in a loss of tactile feel. If you can strip all the paint, undercoat and polish off your racquet, down to its "off-the-mold" state, you will get back that tactile feel with every shot.

Well... I can agree with such technicalities.:D

Thanks.

[h4n5ip]

I mean this modification can make Y.... profit goes down,if everybody know about this,thats why i always keep telling Hansip dont tell to anybody about this modification,except people that u already known well.

ha2 interisting isnt it ??
armortec 800 defense can become 800 off
iso swing power ss can become sx
even sx can become ss

:)

Hi kris. I am actually being a good guy here. :cool::cool:
Just want to share my problem and let people who has the same problem aware of the alternative solution. But some people are getting the message differently. :o:o

Basically if I have more money I will buy a 2U Arch 10, I pretty much confidence that it will be better of for offense. May be next year. :rolleyes:
BTW now with little bit of experience I am very much satisfied. ;);)
Before, when I switch from Arch to Ti, I felt my Ti is much better.
Now when I switch, I felt my arch is better than Ti-10. :D

[Oldhand]

It may shock you, the fancy paintwork in your racquet is cosmetic and contributes nothing to a racquet's playability. In fact it adds unnecessary weight in the form of a coating of paint instead of more of the raw material matrix. It also forms a non-homogeneous bond with the frame, resulting in a loss of tactile feel. If you can strip all the paint, undercoat and polish off your racquet, down to its "off-the-mold" state, you will get back that tactile feel with every shot.

taneepak, for all you know, I might take you up on this :rolleyes:

Perhaps I will sand off all the paint on my ArcSaber 10 and see how it feels ;)

[HKChua]

taneepak, for all you know, I might take you up on this :rolleyes:

Perhaps I will sand off all the paint on my ArcSaber 10 and see how it feels ;)

Well... well....:D:D:D:D

[sifuyono]

Hi kris. I am actually being a good guy here. :cool::cool:
Just want to share my problem and let people who has the same problem aware of the alternative solution. But some people are getting the message differently. :o:o

Basically if I have more money I will buy a 2U Arch 10, I pretty much confidence that it will be better of for offense. May be next year. :rolleyes:
BTW now with little bit of experience I am very much satisfied. ;);)
Before, when I switch from Arch to Ti, I felt my Ti is much better.
Now when I switch, I felt my arch is better than Ti-10. :D
next year arc saber-700 already launch by YY:D:D

[njoylife]

By the time, if the arcsaber-700 really launch.

Then, you guy will complaint head too heavy. Defence very slow. Caused your arm painful.

After that, try to do some stupid thing to make it head light back.

At the end, hope that Yonex come out ArcNano 8000 with is head light balance.




next year arc saber-700 already launch by YY:D:D

[SpendorK]

By the time, if the arcsaber-700 really launch.

Then, you guy will complaint head too heavy. Defence very slow. Caused your arm painful.

After that, try to do some stupid thing to make it head light back.

At the end, hope that Yonex come out ArcNano 8000 with is head light balance.


Hope you enjoy your life. ;)

[docruben7]

Hi, I agree with HKChua, I already had a couple of racquet hits with arc10 and I was surprise that it didnt suffer a paint chip at all. It is in contrast with my nano9000 with which I broke two of them already from a minor racquet clash. I truly feel that there was something really wrong with the quality of nano9000 racquets. Arcsaber series is a Yonex coming back to its tradition of quality and durable racquets. My friends keep reminding me how powerful and durable their ti and muscle power series racquets as compared to the newer yonex and carlton racquets. Despite what Taneepaks said my idea of a very good racquet is something that would improve my badminton game without me buying a new one every couple of months.

[h4n5ip]

By the time, if the arcsaber-700 really launch.

Then, you guy will complaint head too heavy. Defence very slow. Caused your arm painful.

After that, try to do some stupid thing to make it head light back.

At the end, hope that Yonex come out ArcNano 8000 with is head light balance.

That's what we called customers' needs/wants.
I think that what Y*** wanted also, to fulfill and satisfied their customers' needs/wants.
I think if there's no needs/wants we are still using the same name and technology from time to time.

Grown up man.

[foo.tw]

If you want a head heavy ARC10, you can easily take off the original grip and use a tennis overgrip.( use the entire grip, don't cut it short)

Someone said that BG66 suits ARC10. After trying that, I agree with it.
BG66 provid more solid feel on impact over BG80.
I didn't like BG66 on my other rackets at all.
But with ARC10, they match each other.

[SpendorK]

taneepak, for all you know, I might take you up on this :rolleyes:

Perhaps I will sand off all the paint on my ArcSaber 10 and see how it feels ;)

After sand off =

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z69/calaf_2007/IMGP0009-1-2.jpg

[SpendorK]

If you want a head heavy ARC10, you can easily take off the original grip and use a tennis overgrip.( use the entire grip, don't cut it short)

Someone said that BG66 suits ARC10. After trying that, I agree with it.
BG66 provid more solid feel on impact over BG80.
I didn't like BG66 on my other rackets at all.
But with ARC10, they match each other.


Does anyone try with NBG98 ? :):):)

[Matt]

Does anyone try with NBG98 ? :):):)

Of course !! I'm one of them.

[SpendorK]

Of course !! I'm one of them.


Does the NBG98 give your more smashing power ? Thank you.

[taneepak]

After sand off =

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z69/calaf_2007/IMGP0009-1-2.jpg

No, this is not how it should look after sanding off all the paint, undercoat, and decals (yes there are many decals). You must remove all the grommets to do it properly. Only when the whole racquet, from frame to shaft, is completely carbon black in colour can you then claim that you have reverted to the "off-the-mold" condition. But then taking off all the paint, etc will lose you about 4g to 5g, reducing your racquet to one U lighter. How then are you going to put this back?

[sifuyono]

Does the NBG98 give your more smashing power ? Thank you.
for me, nope...
smashing distance yes, but smashing power/ speed no...
all depends on swinger:)

[Matt]

After sand off =


No, this is not how it should look after sanding off all the paint, undercoat, and decals (yes there are many decals). You must remove all the grommets to do it properly. Only when the whole racquet, from frame to shaft, is completely carbon black in colour can you then claim that you have reverted to the "off-the-mold" condition. But then taking off all the paint, etc will lose you about 4g to 5g, reducing your racquet to one U lighter. How then are you going to put this back?
=============================================

The picture is photoshopped!!

[SpendorK]

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The picture is photoshopped!!


yes, u r right. Just 4 fun :D:D:D.

[BadFever]

Have been using my Arc10 for almost 3 weeks now, with NBG98. All I can say is Yonex has definitely improved on the material used on the paint job, compared to Arc7. I had 3 clashes so far and still no "chip off" or scratches on the racket. :)

[h4n5ip]

Have been using my Arc10 for almost 3 weeks now, with NBG98. All I can say is Yonex has definitely improved on the material used on the paint job, compared to Arc7. I had 3 clashes so far and still no "chip off" or scratches on the racket. :)

I definitely agreed.
I had a big clash, and only a small chip and it just the paint came off.
If it was AT700 I think will most probably break into parts.

Good job Yonex.

[SpendorK]

This is the best position to stick the lead tape on Arcsaber 10, test for 1 hour, feel more "power" will do futher test on Sunday. Thanks for everyone for information.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z69/calaf_2007/PICT0001-1.jpg

[HKChua]

After sand off =



Strange?? After sand off, my racket is greyish black. How come yours is white? :D

Thanks.

[SpendorK]

Hi Chua, i am using BG66 & how about you ? :)

[Matt]

Strange?? After sand off, my racket is greyish black. How come yours is white? :D

Thanks.

Look at post #940 and 941 :D

[HKChua]

Hi Chua, i am using BG66 & how about you ? :)

Yes, I am also using BG66.

I cut the lead tapes into 1cm each, attaching 4 pieces at 10 - 11 O'Clock, and 4 pieces from 1 - 2 O'Clock. Did the same on front and back of the racket.

Well... for the initial 3 strokes, I slightly missed the sweet spot, but... after that... it is really my world. The smashes are much better than what the AT-700 can generate. I lend my spare racket to my partner who has been using AT-700. At the end of the game, he wanted me to get him an Arc Saber 10, paying me the full amount in advance. Really glad that he like the Arc Saber.

Thanks.

[SpendorK]

Yes, I am also using BG66.

I cut the lead tapes into 1cm each, attaching 4 pieces at 10 - 11 O'Clock, and 4 pieces from 1 - 2 O'Clock. Did the same on front and back of the racket.

Well... for the initial 3 strokes, I slightly missed the sweet spot, but... after that... it is really my world. The smashes are much better than what the AT-700 can generate. I lend my spare racket to my partner who has been using AT-700. At the end of the game, he wanted me to get him an Arc Saber 10, paying me the full amount in advance. Really glad that he like the Arc Saber.

Thanks.

I'm glad to hear that - a new Arcsaber 10P (P for power):):):).

[h4n5ip]

Yes, I am also using BG66.

I cut the lead tapes into 1cm each, attaching 4 pieces at 10 - 11 O'Clock, and 4 pieces from 1 - 2 O'Clock. Did the same on front and back of the racket.

Well... for the initial 3 strokes, I slightly missed the sweet spot, but... after that... it is really my world. The smashes are much better than what the AT-700 can generate. I lend my spare racket to my partner who has been using AT-700. At the end of the game, he wanted me to get him an Arc Saber 10, paying me the full amount in advance. Really glad that he like the Arc Saber.

Thanks.

Finally another good result from adding the lead tape.
Last night I played again and couldn't complaint for the racket.
All perfect now.
When I switch from Ti-10 to Arch the felling and my smash is even better.

HKCUA before you told me not to put the lead tape. :rolleyes:
Now, are you recommend adding the lead tape to arch 10 to gain more power? :D

[h4n5ip]

I'm glad to hear that - a new Arcsaber 10P (P for power):):):).

You have the same lead tape as mine right? Is it wide enough to put it on the edge on both side? Or you use different lead tape.

I thought we agree to call it Arch 70 :D:D:D:D

[Tsumaranai]

From Badminton Alley:

Dear Customers & List Members,
The month of April is the hottest month for the sport of badminton in the USA with the release of the long awaited Yonex Arc Saber 10 (http://www.badmintonalley.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RACKET%2DYONEX%2DAR C%2DSABER%2D10) debuted as the highly tuned and modified of Yonex previous Ti-10 and AT-700 combined together.
In the month of April Badminton Alley has added couple of new badminton products such as the Yonex ArcSaber 10, Yonex 2008 Thermal Bags, Wilson X-Fire, and Yonex SHB-91 badminton shoes.

[SpendorK]

You have the same lead tape as mine right? Is it wide enough to put it on the edge on both side? Or you use different lead tape.

I thought we agree to call it Arch 70 :D:D:D:D


Chua & Your one are Arch 70 but I stick the lead tape at 12 o'clock position so my one is Arcsaber 10P :D:D:D


If the end result(probably after few weeks) is really excellent, i am gonna get a Arcsaber 10P JP.

[h4n5ip]

Chua & Your one are Arch 70 but I stick the lead tape at 12 o'clock position so my one is Arcsaber 10P :D:D:D


If the end result(probably after few weeks) is really excellent, i am gonna get a Arcsaber 10P JP.

You are not answering my question, did you use the same Lead tape as mine? or you get different one.

What ever the name as long as we are happy :D:D:D
Me, I planned to get 2U version but not soon, need to save some money first.
pls throw more review on your next play

[SpendorK]

You are not answering my question, did you use the same Lead tape as mine? or you get different one.

What ever the name as long as we are happy :D:D:D
Me, I planned to get 2U version but not soon, need to save some money first.
pls throw more review on your next play


Yes, same lead tape.

What string are u using ?

[h4n5ip]

Yes, same lead tape.

What string are u using ?

I am using Bg68ti at 26-28lbs. Couldn't complaint for the string.
May be next time I will try BG66sharp (same characteristic with bg68ti with a better repulsion)

[SpendorK]

Should i try the Nanogy 98 ?

[Ar Dan]

NBG98 is a good string with good repulsion and durability (unless you're Panda), just a little expensive though.

[h4n5ip]

Should i try the Nanogy 98 ?

Depend on what type of player you are.
All around? More offensive? control player?

Me, I am an offensive and fast player. Thus thicker string 66sharp, 68ti, 65P will give me advantage.
In my view, ngy 98 is more to all around string and control (it feels like bg66 in different coating). I tried it before, for me it's not the feeling that I wanted to get for smashing.

[HKChua]

You are not answering my question, did you use the same Lead tape as mine? or you get different one.

What ever the name as long as we are happy :D:D:D
Me, I planned to get 2U version but not soon, need to save some money first.
pls throw more review on your next play

Don't get the 2U version yet. There is a new version of the Arc Saber coming out soon. YONEX had shifted the balance-point further up for heavy users. By then, the lead tapes are not necessary...

Thanks.

[SpendorK]

Don't get the 2U version yet. There is a new version of the Arc Saber coming out soon. YONEX had shifted the balance-point further up for heavy users. By then, the lead tapes are not necessary...

Thanks.

Please link the info-website to us if u've got any. Thank you.:):):)

[HKChua]

Please link the info-website to us if u've got any. Thank you.:):):)

Just some internal info.... no info-website. ANTS may want to comment?? :D

Just something off-topic, last night I was on my way to the Sports Hall and one new driver (1.5 months) hit onto my rear in the heavy traffic. Damn! I was on my way to test out the lead tapes sticked on my Arc Saber 10 (Have been using lead tapes all these while). I was frustrated because I kept a clean record for 23 years of driving!! The car behind me was a brand new MAZDA 3 (SJDXXX), was badly damaged. We shifted the cars to the shoulder of the PIE. I took their particulars and rushed to the badminton court! :D Really crazy me, testing the Arc Saber 10 seemed to be more important than taking care of my stupid car.:eek:

Thanks.

[SpendorK]

Good news :) :) :)

[Pete LSD]

Panda Good . . . Good Panda :D

The Great Panda is using NBG-95 to great effect right now.


NBG98 is a good string with good repulsion and durability (unless you're Panda), just a little expensive though.

[h4n5ip]

Don't get the 2U version yet. There is a new version of the Arc Saber coming out soon. YONEX had shifted the balance-point further up for heavy users. By then, the lead tapes are not necessary...

Thanks.

Thanks HKChua. I think by the time I got the money, the new arch saber will be come out :D:D.

I remember before when arch 7 released people say it balance racket, rumors arch 10 will be come out, and now more head heavy is coming out, I wonder what will be the name
Arch 20?
Arch 15?
I guess yonex will not be releasing until beginning of next year.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[tango]

Get those from Japan that are made specifically for badminton-narrow, beautiful with a permanent mirror finish, and small but heavy. A 25mm long strip, with a very narrow width, weighs 0.375g.


what and how to get? could u be more specific? brands???
TIA

btw, anybody tried yonex's tungsten balance?
http://shuttle-house.com/PAGE_top_JAPANESE/MAIL_ORDER/category/YONEX/GOODS/AC182_b.jpg

[HKChua]

what and how to get? could u be more specific? brands???
TIA

btw, anybody tried yonex's tungsten balance?
http://shuttle-house.com/PAGE_top_JAPANESE/MAIL_ORDER/category/YONEX/GOODS/AC182_b.jpg

http://shuttle-house.com/new-cgi/page2_i.php?mk=YO&hid=AC182&lan=e

[phandrew]

To all lead tape users, how wide is the lead tape you are using? 1/4",1/2",3/4" or 1"?

[taneepak]

what and how to get? could u be more specific? brands???
TIA

btw, anybody tried yonex's tungsten balance?
http://shuttle-house.com/PAGE_top_JAPANESE/MAIL_ORDER/category/YONEX/GOODS/AC182_b.jpg


No, this is for tennis. The one for badminton is only 6mm wide and comes in a roll of 600m long. Each pack has 2 rolls, giving a total length of 1,200mm by 6mm wide, with a total weight of 18g. If you cut a 24mm long length it will weigh 0.36g. You then splice the 24mm long lead tape into two to give you two copies of 24mm x 3mm. Just put one on each inner side of the racquet tip. If you wish to add 0.72g all you do is to cut two strips of 24mm x 6mm lead tape, glue one tape over the other to get a double layer, and then splice the "double-layer tape into 2 strips of 24mm x 3mm. The footprint is still ony 3mm x 24mm on either side of the racquet tip

[SpendorK]

Please show us. Thank you for sharing. :):):)

[tango]

No, this is for tennis. The one for badminton is only 6mm wide and comes in a roll of 600m long. Each pack has 2 rolls, giving a total length of 1,200mm by 6mm wide, with a total weight of 18g. If you cut a 24mm long length it will weigh 0.36g. You then splice the 24mm long lead tape into two to give you two copies of 24mm x 3mm. Just put one on each inner side of the racquet tip. If you wish to add 0.72g all you do is to cut two strips of 24mm x 6mm lead tape, glue one tape over the other to get a double layer, and then splice the "double-layer tape into 2 strips of 24mm x 3mm. The footprint is still ony 3mm x 24mm on either side of the racquet tip

please be more specific, any brands:confused:
where to get?
thanks:D

[HitsOfMisses]

I just bought AS 10 with BG80, 3U from Badminton Alley after reading some positive inputs from many of you.

However, I'm a bit concerned since I'm getting into the game after 20 odd yrs. (Yes, I'm an old man ;)) I used to play occasionally & at times for college competition but never won one. Do you think it is too much of a racket or may not suit an average player like me?

It's going to be US version. How does it rate compared to JP or CPs?

[taneepak]

If you live near a fishing port you can go to some of the port's ship chandlers to buy many types of lead in many shapes, flat, round, sheets, etc. Just choose a sheet type that is thin and buy a one foot sq sheet. Racquet manufacturers use such sheets of lead for ballast weight to add to the handle. Yonex does not use lead as ballast. Instead they use a hard pc of silicone and fix it inside the wooden hole at the end of the butt cap. Lead tape as ballast is better as it gives you the flexibility to retain the same U class and b/p when using an overgrip or a larger replacement grip. Take extreme care when in a ship chandler's shop because lead and lead dust are very toxic. The shops do have running water taps and soap for anyone who handle lead. Always wear a plastic throw-away glove when handling lead. Lead rubs off very easily and goes into your skin very quickly. Be warned!

[phandrew]

So does that mean the lead tape on rackets are toxic? Is it possible to coat the lead tape with something to prevent it being toxic?

[taneepak]

So does that mean the lead tape on rackets are toxic? Is it possible to coat the lead tape with something to prevent it being toxic?

Not if you do not touch with your hand. You can of course paint it to any matching colour.
Test the lead tape by rubbing a clean tissue paper over it a few times. Do you see the lead dust being transferred onto the tissue paper?

[phandrew]

Not if you do not touch with your hand. You can of course paint it to any matching colour.
Test the lead tape by rubbing a clean tissue paper over it a few times. Do you see the lead dust being transferred onto the tissue paper?

If there is no greyish colour on the tissue does that mean there is no reason to paint the lead tape with something?

[BadFever]

I just bought AS 10 with BG80, 3U from Badminton Alley after reading some positive inputs from many of you.

However, I'm a bit concerned since I'm getting into the game after 20 odd yrs. (Yes, I'm an old man ;)) I used to play occasionally & at times for college competition but never won one. Do you think it is too much of a racket or may not suit an average player like me?

It's going to be US version. How does it rate compared to JP or CPs?
You should be fine with the Arc10. I don't think any rackets will affect you too much if you are only playing socially. Hope you like red color tho. :)

Don't think there is any difference between JP or CP or US as long as they are from genuine source.

[taneepak]

If there is no greyish colour on the tissue does that mean there is no reason to paint the lead tape with something?

Then it is probably not lead but something else-stainless steel?

[phandrew]

Then it is probably not lead but something else-stainless steel?

The seller descriptions and picture says the colour is silver but it is lead tape.

[taneepak]

The seller descriptions and picture says the colour is silver but it is lead tape.

Lead is actually bluish white in colour. Some may describe it as grey, chrome-like, or silver in appearance. Lead is soft and ductile and will discolour a tissue paper that is rubbed on it. Have you tried this test?
The first known large scale lead poisoning on people was during the time of the Romans. The Romans used lead on their cooking utensils and used lead pipes to transport their drinking water.

[HitsOfMisses]

You should be fine with the Arc10. I don't think any rackets will affect you too much if you are only playing socially. Hope you like red color tho. :)

Don't think there is any difference between JP or CP or US as long as they are from genuine source.

Thanks for your response. Now I can't wait to receive my racquet. You're right about the color. I don't like the current color scheme. I hope, the new one is released sooner & is better. I may ask them to exchange before start using it.

[Matt]

What is AS-10? That's a shuttle =P. It's Arc10.

Well the perform would be similar. US version should be fine if people need G4 size, otherwise they have to shop else where to get the other grip sizes which would suit them.

[joone427]

you can also use a non-lead tape if you guys are worried about handling lead due to it's toxicity.. here's the link http://www.golfsmith.com/ps/products/290947?&lcode=cross_sales&cm_re=ps_cs_-middle-_-middle&cm_mmc=crosssell-_-ps-_-0-_-2

[silentheart]

Well, I saw a blue and green truck on Friday and I rear ended the truck. A box fall off the truck and I just picked it up and run. Guess what I find? The sexy red baby in the pictures. Here is the info on my new toy.

Model Yonex ARC10
Spec 3UG4
String & Tension Ashaway MP @ 22X24lb
Overgrip Yonex watergrip.

Initial impression
it is a sharp looking racquet in bloody red. It is a even balanced racquet and felt very similar to my classic lady Cab30ms (also 3UG4).

Warm up.
Very solid on clear. Less effort to clear than ARC7 and about the same as Cab30ms and NS8000. The booming sound on the impact is deep and very noticeable. Control and direction on the clear is very good. Timing on the shot is very easy to adjust from Cab30ms.
Very easy to do the net drop. Control is there and feed back is super ( think the watergrip do help a lot). However, the shuttle do bounce a little higher than I like.
Back court and slice drop are accurate on the direction. Does not hug the net as tight as the ARC7 or Cab30ms. Might be a little more powerful than I use to.
Clear smash and block smash are 2 interesting characters. Clear smash is great. I can turn it very quick and return the smash deep to the back court with easy flick. However, block smashes pop a little higher and I get killed on 2nd try.
Defense is not total trade off for the power. I like that.
Drive is very quick and close to NS8000.

Game time
Smash is good and close to the power of AT700 (4UG4). Placement is good and I can smash pretty close to the side line without going out. I need a NS9000-x or Cab30ms to do it. Very natural smash feeling to me. Once again, I lost a couple point on the block smash because I pop the shuttle high. Good feed back on the net drop and tight hair pin drop get a few good fought points. 1 minor problem is the slice drop is not tight enough and can be returned easy. Biggest plus, not tired after 2 hr straight playing (I will be dead after 2 hr with Cab30ms or NS9000-x).

Power 9/10
Control 9/10
Feeling 9/10
Maneuverability 8.5/10
Defense 8/10
Ease of use 9.5/10 (biggest selling point)

Feel a little heavy...

[Oldhand]

Please note:
Recent questions relating to racquet authenticity have been moved to another thread.
See here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55001)

[WWK207]

There is a gold "SP" on the bottem of my ARC10 's shaft, but I noticed there is no gold "JP" or "US" on Japan or US version. Why:confused:

[silentheart]

Do a search. It has been discussed to death. Also, I will not discuss if there is a quality difference because many of us has discussed it to death already.

[z3048018]

couldn't help it today...... bought another ArcSaber10 3UG4, this time a SP. strung it at 26lbs. eagerly want to try it out!!!

[taneepak]

Much has been written about the ArcSaber 10 being a very fast racquet because of its slim dimensions. How slim is it? Can someone use a micometer and measure its beam at the 12, 1, 3, 5 o'clock and across the T joint? Then take another series of readings at the same locations but this time measure its thickness. If your micometer cannot take readings on its thickness then use a precision caliper. Frankly, I think it is nowhere as slim as claimed here.
Besides speed what are the other advantages of a slimmer beam? There is in fact another far more important advantage of a slimmer beam than sheer speed.

[SlaShEr]

Well, they're somehow fast..but not as fast as Carlton's racket. :)

and taneepak, aren't slimmer beam will cause the racket to be more flexi?
just my 2 cents

[taneepak]

and taneepak, aren't slimmer beam will cause the racket to be more flexi?
just my 2 cents

A frame with a very slim or narrow beam will flex if the materials used are not of top grade quality. The term flex used here is not the same as the flexibilty of say the shaft as experienced by players. A good analogy is like a piece of tofu, which will flex or shake when slap with your hand-poor flex. Slapping your hand on a hard piece of glass will not make you feel like you are hitting jelly-this is high stiffness. A wide beam made from very cheap materials can be very stiff and can produce great power but at the cost of poor maneuverability and something else as important. But if a narrow beam is made from the very best materials with the correct matrix mix and orientation, it is pure heaven.

[SlaShEr]

aaah..i confused the beam as being the shaft.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. :)


"But if a narrow beam is made from the very best materials with the correct matrix mix and orientation, it is pure heaven."

but aren't there's already some rackets that are made like that?
im talking about carlton airblades.. ^_^

AS-1 still the best for me so far.

[HKChua]

aaah..i confused the beam as being the shaft.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. :)


"But if a narrow beam is made from the very best materials with the correct matrix mix and orientation, it is pure heaven."

but aren't there's already some rackets that are made like that?
im talking about carlton airblades.. ^_^

AS-1 still the best for me so far.

What is AS-1??

Thanks.

[SlaShEr]

Carlton AS-1 mate... ^_^

[taneepak]

One such narrow beam racquet was the Yonex Swing Power. The materials used were very good but the design could have been better, because it was a very good but not great racquet.
Just use a micrometer to measure the beam and thickness dimensions because such measurements are more reliable than subjective descriptions or opinions.
I can give you measurements of my prototype TEPSM, but that would be meaningless if you don't have a micrometer to measure your own racquets.

[joone427]

My new Arcsaber 700-OF :)

before the mod
41844
with the added 1/2 x 1 inch lead tape
41845
blends perfectly with the design
41846
41847
41848

[bobjimjoe]

arc 700 -of?
where is the defensive?
or the 800? in think this should be the 1000, and the Arc 7 = 700

[taneepak]

My new Arcsaber 700-OF :)

before the mod
41844
with the added 1/2 x 1 inch lead tape
41845
blends perfectly with the design
41846
41847
41848

This is the wrong way to fix a lead tape on a badminton tracquet. The tape should not wrap around the edge of the racquet which makes the tape come into contact with 3 surfaces. The tape should come into contact with only one surface of the frame and that is the inside surface. This will reduce air drag and eliminate a feeling of the outer surfaces of the lead tape pulling away from the frame. Remember lead tape is soft and ductile which is why other heavy materials like steel, etc are not suitable, and it must be mounted in an orientation that will focus the direction of the lead tape swing unto a surface on the inner side of the frame. This reduces any vibrations and it forces the lead tape to be pressed unto the racquet frame surface when you swing, instead of it wanting to come away.

[ArcSaber_700]

I just bought a new Arcsaber 10 and some lead tape. I'll follow your suggestion taneepak and see how it how it feels. I'm enjoying the racquet now but i'm curious as to how it will play with the added weight.

[malaikiat]

which one better? 3u version or 2u? 2u more power right?