BWF to probe scuffles at South Korean Open

[block306]

BWF to probe scuffles at South Korean Open
(source: M'sia's The Star daily dated 3 Feb 08)

LONDON: The Badminton World Federation (BWF) will investigate scuffles that marred last week’s men’s singles final at the Korean Open and will consider introducing technologies used in tennis and cricket.
Anne Smillie, chair of the BWF sport committee, has called for a full report and said that such incidents were happening too often.
Last Sunday’s final of the Super Series event between China’s Lin Dan and eventual winner Lee Hyun-il of South Korea featured a number of line calls over-ruled by the umpire, which led to scuffles and heated exchanges.
“All of this is damaging to the image of our sport and undermines confidence in the results,” Smillie said in a statement.
“Players, coaches, technical officials and team officials at court side have a code of behaviour to follow. The game needs to be exciting and closely fought, but we all want to see the result determined by the players, not by courtside officials – or who can argue the loudest.”
Smillie said that the BWF would look at other options to take the heat out of official decisions, including technologies used in tennis and cricket.
The BWF deputy president, Datuk Punch Gunalan, said: “In this Olympic year, when badminton will be under the microscope in Beijing, the players need to be confident that the game is officiated professionally, while respecting the technical officials’ decisions.”
The BWF will hold meetings at the next Super Series event, the All-England in Birmingham in March, where the issue of technology will be discussed.
The sport committee are also talking to referees and umpires to look at the possibility of having independent umpires operating as line judges during major semi-finals and finals.
World number one Lin Dan has refused to apologise for his part in the fracas in Seoul, which began when he threw his racquet in the direction of South Korea’s singles coach Li Mao, who is also Chinese.
The throwing incident sparked off a shouting match between Lin Dan and Li Mao and play was momentarily halted as match officials struggled to restore order.
Lin Dan’s coach Zhong Bo also intervened, pushing Li Mao, who shoved him back, and officials had to step in to separate them. – Reuters

[Jessica]

Another report from nst online..

Badminton: BWF considers technology to combat line calls

THE Badminton World Federation will investigate scuffles that marred last week's men's singles final at the Korea Open and will consider introducing technologies used in tennis and cricket.
Anne Smillie, chair of the BWF sport committee, has called for a full report and said such incidents were happening too often.

Last Sunday's final of the Super Series event between China's Lin Dan and eventual winner Lee Hyun-Il of South Korea featured a number of line calls overruled by the umpire, which led to scuffles and heated exchanges.

"All of this is damaging to the image of our sport and undermines confidence in the results," Anne said in a statement.

"Players, coaches, technical officials and team officials at court side have a code of behaviour to follow.
"The game needs to be exciting and closely fought, but we all want to see the result determined by the players, not by courtside officials - or who can argue the loudest."

She said the BWF would look at other options to take the heat out of official decisions, including technologies used in tennis and cricket.

BWF deputy president Datuk Punch Gunalan said: "In this Olympic year, when badminton will be under the microscope in Beijing, the players need to be confident that the game is officiated professionally, while respecting the technical officials' decisions."

The BWF will hold meetings at the next Super Series event, the All England Open in Birmingham in March, where the issue of technology will be discussed.

The sport committee is also talking to referees and umpires to look at the possibility of having independent umpires operating as line judges during major semi-finals and finals.

[chibe_K]

I hope BWF is willing to use technologies to improve the quality of line calls and take some real actions to discipline any officials, players, and coaches who has bad behavior during the match.

[markham player]

Well, they have no choice & they better do it fast before more damage is done! Time is running out!

[taneepak]

Badminton is now becoming an extremely passionate sport, and when mixed with a nationalistic tendency in some major Asian badminton countries, an create conditions that may get out of hand.

[Eddex]

Finally! x.x we really need something like those cameras in tennis :P thatll be cool man!

They can even use the "snicko" (people in NZ and watched cricket shud know this :P) sound detection thingy used in international cricket (which tells you if the ball has been nicked and caught etc.) in badminton's point of view, it can tell if the shuttle has been struck/nicked before it goes out ^^ smart!

Badminton's getting technological!

[X Ball]

Anne Smillie, the chair of the BWF Sports Committee, was not mincing her words when she said "All of this is damaging to the image of our sport and undermines confidence in the results."

With that, LD can expect the worse from BWF if an apology is still not forthcoming. I hope he gives it some thought and understand the 'weight' of what he had done.

[Birdwood]

Anne Smillie, the chair of the BWF Sports Committee, was not mincing her words when she said "All of this is damaging to the image of our sport and undermines confidence in the results."

With that, LD can expect the worse from BWF if an apology is still not forthcoming. I hope he gives it some thought and understand the 'weight' of what he had done.

Who to blame for "undermines confidence in the results"? I'm sure that Anne Smillie was not just talking about LD in MSF KO 08 :cool:

[X Ball]

Who to blame for "undermines confidence in the results"? I'm sure that Anne Smillie was not just talking about LD in MSF KO 08 :cool:


No, I did not say LD was the only one ANNE was talking about.:cool: But LD will be in the investigation.

[Birdwood]

Anne Smillie, the chair of the BWF Sports Committee, was not mincing her words when she said "All of this is damaging to the image of our sport and undermines confidence in the results."

With that, LD can expect the worse from BWF if an apology is still not forthcoming. I hope he gives it some thought and understand the 'weight' of what he had done.


No, I did not say LD was the only one ANNE was talking about.:cool: But LD will be in the investigation.

I agree. Maybe all parties, including biased linesmen, should issue apology. Did LM apologize (if he did, my apology for not following this closely) :confused:

[X Ball]

I agree. Maybe all parties, including biased linesmen, should issue apology. Did LM apologize (if he did, my apology for not following this closely) :confused:

Yes I agree. A lot of apologies maybe forthcoming in this. My contention in all this is strictly on the behaviour of LD who should not have thrown the racket. I will not condone his behaviour.

[eaglehelang]

Now only they're looking into it.... dunno how long some more before it's implemented... the technology part I mean...

[Temasek Green]

Hopefully they (BWF) got high sense of urgency towards this problem which they lack of before,otherwise the song remain the same,unchanged melody..
Biased-World-Forever..!!

[xymaerts]

To me, include technology will certainly bring the game to a higher level in term of game popularity and of course the quality of game.
As Beijing Olympic is just around the corner, Umpire to be a line judge is a temporary solution.. Why not?

[ye333]

I don't think LM admitted that he said anything before LD threw the racket. So I don't think he will apologize.


I agree. Maybe all parties, including biased linesmen, should issue apology. Did LM apologize (if he did, my apology for not following this closely) :confused:

[ye333]

Two extremes of reaction after bad line calls. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdUgLuRTF8

This is the most ridiculous line call I have ever seen. :eek:

[Birdwood]

I don't think LM admitted that he said anything before LD threw the racket. So I don't think he will apologize.

That would be interesting to find out. According to interviews of LD, ZB, and the umpire, LM said something before LD threw the racket.

Interviews of LM (post #1), LD (post#6), and ZB (post #7):
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51838

Phone interview of the umpire (if it's correct):
http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/200801/news-gb2312-516590.html

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Thanks for the link below. It makes me feel Kor linesmen did the biased line call intentionally :eek:


Two extremes of reaction after bad line calls. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdUgLuRTF8

This is the most ridiculous line call I have ever seen. :eek:

[ye333]

How many times do I need to point out that the interview with the umpire has severe inconsistency with the videos? :mad:

This: 当时林丹向我走过来，示意我，刚才的球出界了。李矛和林丹离得很近，他好像先对林丹说了什么，然后林丹非常 生气，二人争执起来。is simply not what happened before the racket-throwing.

Therefore, so far "LM said something" before racket-throwing comes only from the LD side. It's credibility should be treated as the same as LYB's "Break his leg".


Btw, of course the line judges did those blatant bad calls intentionally. There is no doubt about that.



That would be interesting to find out. According to interviews of LD, ZB, and the umpire, LM said something before LD threw the racket.

Interviews of LM (post #1), LD (post#6), and ZB (post #7):
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51838

Phone interview of the umpire (if it's correct):
http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/200801/news-gb2312-516590.html

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Thanks for the link below. It makes me feel Kor linesmen did the biased line call intentionally :eek:

[volcom]

Two extremes of reaction after bad line calls. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdUgLuRTF8

This is the most ridiculous line call I have ever seen. :eek:

Shows are bias the cheating korean linesmen(women) are.
At least it got overruled

[Dreamzz]

Two extremes of reaction after bad line calls. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdUgLuRTF8

This is the most ridiculous line call I have ever seen. :eek:

that is amazing!
:eek::eek:

stevie wonder would have called that out!

[Birdwood]

How many times do I need to point out that the interview with the umpire has severe inconsistency with the videos? :mad:

This: 当时林丹向我走过来，示意我，刚才的球出界了。李矛和林丹离得很近，他好像先对林丹说了什么，然后林丹非常 生气，二人争执起来。is simply not what happened before the racket-throwing.

Therefore, so far "LM said something" before racket-throwing comes only from the LD side. It's credibility should be treated as the same as LYB's "Break his leg".


Btw, of course the line judges did those blatant bad calls intentionally. There is no doubt about that.

Thanks for pointing out again. I am not saying it's true or false. Let the investigation draw its conclusion. and we'll see what they have to say :cool:

Just like to have some kind closure to this incident as quick as possible so everyone can move on :rolleyes:

[Han]

The most likely scenario comes out of this investigation is Lin Dan, Li Mao and Korean organizers all get fine, I think Zhong Bo should be fine too for continue to make up story to cover Lin Dan.
The fine in monetary should go to ???

[Athelete1234]

The most likely scenario comes out of this investigation is Lin Dan, Li Mao and Korean organizers all get fine, I think Zhong Bo should be fine too for continue to make up story to cover Lin Dan.
The fine in monetary should go to ???
Hawk-eye or Cameras?

[badMania]

Certainly the bad linecalls were made blatantly.....even in the match between Flandy/Vita and Lee/Lee :cool: No one is denying that.

[rwijaja]

Certainly the bad linecalls were made blatantly.....even in the match between Flandy/Vita and Lee/Lee :cool: No one is denying that.

yeah... I saw that line call. the Korean shot was like 10cm out and the linesman called it in.

But Flandy is one cool cucumber man.... No racket throwing definitely no
emotions was flared.

He was accepting the linesman call already and was about to give the
shuttle to the Korean. And when the umpire corrected the call, could not believe his luck.

FlaVi did not win, close match, but definitely he has definitely won my respect. unlike some other player.... 'you know who'

[eaglehelang]

Ever since BWF made the statement yesterday, other official having their say or rather reporters bug them on it. hmm, diplomatic answer, official trying not make anybody angry.

from NST
4 Feb 2008

Some line judges jumped the gun, says official
04 February, 2008

SOME line judges were guilty of making calls before the shuttlecock hit the floor at the recent Korean Open, Badminton World Federation (BWF) events manager M. Venugopal said in Kuala Lumpur yesterday. However, the world governing body said it still had faith in the standard of Korean line judges and would continue to stage big tournaments in the country.

Last month's Korean Open was marred by a series of controversial line calls with South Korea's Lee Hyun-il defeating China's World No 1 Lin Dan in the men's singles final.

Lin Dan was furious at one particular decision, at 20-20 in the final game, when Hyun-Il's cross-court smash was called in.

"The problem is that some of the line judges at the Korean Open were ex-players, and they are sometimes over confident when it comes to making calls," Mahalingam said yesterday.

"Having been players, they think they know where the shuttle is going to land and often they raise their hand before it has even reached the floor."

Mahalingam, however, defended the line judge and the referee involved in the contentious call that angered Lin Dan so much he tried to shove Hyun-Il's coach Li Mao.

Lin Dan received a yellow card for his actions.

"That call, from where I was sitting, was close," said Mahalingam.

"The line judge confirmed to the umpire that it was in and the umpire accepted it. There was nothing more he could do.

"Overall, we are happy with the standard of line calling in Korea. They do a very good job." -- Reuters

[vching]

Ever since BWF made the statement yesterday, other official having their say or rather reporters bug them on it. hmm, diplomatic answer, official trying not make anybody angry.

from NST
4 Feb 2008

Some line judges jumped the gun, says official
04 February, 2008

SOME line judges were guilty of making calls before the shuttlecock hit the floor at the recent Korean Open, Badminton World Federation (BWF) events manager M. Venugopal said in Kuala Lumpur yesterday. However, the world governing body said it still had faith in the standard of Korean line judges and would continue to stage big tournaments in the country.

Last month's Korean Open was marred by a series of controversial line calls with South Korea's Lee Hyun-il defeating China's World No 1 Lin Dan in the men's singles final.

Lin Dan was furious at one particular decision, at 20-20 in the final game, when Hyun-Il's cross-court smash was called in.

"The problem is that some of the line judges at the Korean Open were ex-players, and they are sometimes over confident when it comes to making calls," Mahalingam said yesterday.

"Having been players, they think they know where the shuttle is going to land and often they raise their hand before it has even reached the floor."

Mahalingam, however, defended the line judge and the referee involved in the contentious call that angered Lin Dan so much he tried to shove Hyun-Il's coach Li Mao.

Lin Dan received a yellow card for his actions.

"That call, from where I was sitting, was close," said Mahalingam.

"The line judge confirmed to the umpire that it was in and the umpire accepted it. There was nothing more he could do.

"Overall, we are happy with the standard of line calling in Korea. They do a very good job." -- Reuters

Right.... they are happy with the linecalling standards in Korea:mad::mad::mad:

[hcyong]

that is amazing!
:eek::eek:

stevie wonder would have called that out!

He would be honest and signal "unsighted".

[robc06]

Particuarly I think it is bad for the sport. LA outburst and scuffle with coaches and racket throw depicts a poor image for the younger players world wide.

I do however question the umpire and lines people. You will always get bad line calls and perhaps bad umpiring. I think that the KO will show that bad decisions are made by officials, however once the linesperson/umpire has made a ruling I dont beleive that any player can argue with the officials or show that much disrespect.

I dont like bad calls or umpiring, but I do show respect towards the officials.

Because of his actions LD may face a penalty from the BWF. Although thats highly doubtful he would receive a harsh penalty.

[ye333]

What kind of ex-player is this? Professional badminton player in Almost-blind-land? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdUgLuRTF8




"The problem is that some of the line judges at the Korean Open were ex-players, and they are sometimes over confident when it comes to making calls," Mahalingam said yesterday.

[badMania]

I do however question the umpire and lines people. You will always get bad line calls and perhaps bad umpiring. I think that the KO will show that bad decisions are made by officials, however once the linesperson/umpire has made a ruling I dont beleive that any player can argue with the officials or show that much disrespect.


Indeed...nothing can warrant a display of aggression from the player.

[azabaz_ipoh]

is this what a mojority of BWF officials think? that the korean linespersons are not blatantly biased? what about the incident where the linesperson clapped her hands when korean player got a point? and yeah, all the ridicolous obvious bad calls that can't even be masked as too close to call. if BWF keeps turning a blind eye to these biased officiating, we will never see the end of it. oh, by the way, flandy was very cool headed with that bloody bad call. he gained my respect with that one. :)

[CLELY]

Ever since BWF made the statement yesterday, other official having their say or rather reporters bug them on it. hmm, diplomatic answer, official trying not make anybody angry.

from NST
4 Feb 2008

Some line judges jumped the gun, says official
04 February, 2008

SOME line judges were guilty of making calls before the shuttlecock hit the floor at the recent Korean Open, Badminton World Federation (BWF) events manager M. Venugopal said in Kuala Lumpur yesterday. However, the world governing body said it still had faith in the standard of Korean line judges and would continue to stage big tournaments in the country.

"Overall, we are happy with the standard of line calling in Korea. They do a very good job." -- Reuters

From the above article, it seems BWF still has satisfaction about KOR line judges despite so many bad line calls happened at there. It's okay KOR as host but they should using new tech in future times to prevent high intensity of human error/subjective judgement.

[hcyong]

I think the BWF officials personally think/know/feel there is bias, but they cannot officially say so, because the bias cannot be proven. You can prove that the judgement was wrong, but how can you prove that the judgement was intentionally wrong?

[azabaz_ipoh]

yeah, i guess so. so in the end, only an advanced use of technology can prevent this from happening again. i hope they get their *** off their comfy chairs and get it done before the Olympics. oh, my, i have resorted to harsh words. but they sure deserve it.

[jasonmarc]

Two extremes of reaction after bad line calls. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdUgLuRTF8

This is the most ridiculous line call I have ever seen. :eek:

If, this kind of wrong doing keeps coming........no players willing to play in KO in years to come........sad to the sport.....and to Korean badminton.......shame:o

[ctjcad]

...
I do however question the umpire and lines people. You will always get bad line calls and perhaps bad umpiring. I think that the KO will show that bad decisions are made by officials, however once the linesperson/umpire has made a ruling I dont beleive that any player can argue with the officials or show that much disrespect.

I dont like bad calls or umpiring, but I do show respect towards the officials.
...
..personally, and as discussed before, I don't think the Umpire/umpiring in the MSF was "bad". At least, with the resources and technology the umpire had, the match itself couldn't have been called any better; perhaps the last part of the 3rd set could've been done/called "better". Consider also, prior to the last call, he had overturned 3 "bad" line-calls and all of them were correctly over-ruled..If anything, i'd say it's the line-judges/lines-calling that was suspect/in question, esp. when the KOR players were involved in the Finals..:p
*Rest of your comments, i would concur:cool:

yeah, i guess so. so in the end, only an advanced use of technology can prevent this from happening again. i hope they get their *** off their comfy chairs and get it done before the Olympics. oh, my, i have resorted to harsh words. but they sure deserve it.
..i hope Confucius didn't read that...;)

[Dreamzz]

i think it'd be interesting if all the top players boycotted tournaments where the line judging is blatantly biased. that should encourage these countries to 'clean up' their act.

[tohcsh]

Hope BWF will do the following:-

1) Incorporate new technology ASAP
2) Forbid Coach from entering into the court during game
3) When 2 players for the same country compete with each other and should one player give a walk over (unless check by BWF official doctor) , the other player of the same country from the same match will not be allowed to move up to next game.
4) Umpire have to be suspended if they are found to be bias!
5) Coach that shouts at the opponent player will be suspended.
6) Players that walk out of matches , rude, show aggression will be move down (1 rank) in rank from their world ranking and suspended for 2 tournaments.

[coolhandluke]

SOME line judges were guilty of making calls before the shuttlecock hit the floor at the recent Korean Open, Badminton World Federation (BWF) events manager M. Venugopal said in Kuala Lumpur yesterday. However, the world governing body said it still had faith in the standard of Korean line judges and would continue to stage big tournaments in the country.This is yet another case of making the right observation (shown in green) and coming to a wrong conclusion (shown in red). It doesn't even make sense how the line judging was so below standard and still BWF continues to pat the offending organizations on the back.

Does anyone want a repeat of China Open 2007 and Korea Open 2008? The time is now for BWF to act and put an end to this nonsense. Anytime you condone / encourage crap, you will get more crap -- be it bad line judging or sportsmanship.

I feel dirty watching these atrocities happening to my beloved sport. I'll be disappointed if BWF does not take stern action against the offending parties. Does the BWF even realize that they are letting people soil the reputation of badminton forever? At this rate, it would not surprise me if IOC removes badminton from Olympics.

[Dreamzz]

Hope BWF will do the following:-

3) When 2 players for the same country compete with each other and should one player give a walk over (unless check by BWF official doctor) , the other player of the same country from the same match will not be allowed to move up to next game.


i doubt if this will be feasible, it's a player's right to withdraw from a tournament before the match is due to be played, whether it's against a fellow countryman or his arch-rival.

[Han]

i think it'd be interesting if all the top players boycotted tournaments where the line judging is blatantly biased. that should encourage these countries to 'clean up' their act.

Not realistic, then the China Open, Korea Open will be the Super Series with 2 star players.

[Han]

This is yet another case of making the right observation (shown in green) and coming to a wrong conclusion (shown in red). It doesn't even make sense how the line judging was so below standard and still BWF continues to pat the offending organizations on the back.

Does anyone want a repeat of China Open 2007 and Korea Open 2008? The time is now for BWF to act and put an end to this nonsense. Anytime you condone / encourage crap, you will get more crap -- be it bad line judging or sportsmanship.

I feel dirty watching these atrocities happening to my beloved sport. I'll be disappointed if BWF does not take stern action against the offending parties. Does the BWF even realize that they are letting people soil the reputation of badminton forever? At this rate, it would not surprise me if IOC removes badminton from Olympics.

Korea Open offers the biggest purse money among the Super Series consistently so is China Open. Basically you don't want to kill the goose that lays egg else badminton will be even harder to survive.
Is not a healthy way to continue but I can see the dilemma BWF is facing .

[hcyong]

This is yet another case of making the right observation (shown in green) and coming to a wrong conclusion (shown in red). It doesn't even make sense how the line judging was so below standard and still BWF continues to pat the offending organizations on the back.

Does anyone want a repeat of China Open 2007 and Korea Open 2008? The time is now for BWF to act and put an end to this nonsense. Anytime you condone / encourage crap, you will get more crap -- be it bad line judging or sportsmanship.

I feel dirty watching these atrocities happening to my beloved sport. I'll be disappointed if BWF does not take stern action against the offending parties. Does the BWF even realize that they are letting people soil the reputation of badminton forever? At this rate, it would not surprise me if IOC removes badminton from Olympics.

How do you prove bias? The person on the street can shout bias all he wants. But the guy in the BWF cannot simply do so just because everyone (including the perpetrators) thinks so.

The only solution is to incorporate technology. Machines are neutral. Maybe the Aibo creators can come up with some linejudging dogs. That'll be fun.

[hcyong]

Hope BWF will do the following:-

1) Incorporate new technology ASAP
2) Forbid Coach from entering into the court during game
3) When 2 players for the same country compete with each other and should one player give a walk over (unless check by BWF official doctor) , the other player of the same country from the same match will not be allowed to move up to next game.
4) Umpire have to be suspended if they are found to be bias!
5) Coach that shouts at the opponent player will be suspended.
6) Players that walk out of matches , rude, show aggression will be move down (1 rank) in rank from their world ranking and suspended for 2 tournaments.

1) Agreed, but the ASAP could take some time
2) They don't.
3) Difficult to implement. And even if you force the match to be played, it could be farce (one player hitting all his shots out for example) which makes it even worse.
4) Hard to prove bias.
5) Shouts could be directed at own player but indirectly towards opponent.
6) Debatable. Some misconducts are more severe than others. Don't lump them together and give a blanket punishment.

[azabaz_ipoh]

..i hope Confucius didn't read that...;)

confucius would understand and then he will share some wisdom. :)


i think it'd be interesting if all the top players boycotted tournaments where the line judging is blatantly biased. that should encourage these countries to 'clean up' their act.

yeah. why not :D


Hope BWF will do the following:-

1) Incorporate new technology ASAP
2) Forbid Coach from entering into the court during game
3) When 2 players for the same country compete with each other and should one player give a walk over (unless check by BWF official doctor) , the other player of the same country from the same match will not be allowed to move up to next game.
4) Umpire have to be suspended if they are found to be bias!
5) Coach that shouts at the opponent player will be suspended.
6) Players that walk out of matches , rude, show aggression will be move down (1 rank) in rank from their world ranking and suspended for 2 tournaments.

seems reasonable. :) though i suspect very hard to implement. i think 2, 5 and 6 are the easiest to implement right now.


Not realistic, then the China Open, Korea Open will be the Super Series with 2 star players.


Korea Open offers the biggest purse money among the Super Series consistently so is China Open. Basically you don't want to kill the goose that lays egg else badminton will be even harder to survive.
Is not a healthy way to continue but I can see the dilemma BWF is facing .

yes, but they are also depending on these players to come and make it a grand event. so if star players starts to boycott them, surely they will have to do something too. both are on the losing end if this continues.


How do you prove bias? The person on the street can shout bias all he wants. But the guy in the BWF cannot simply do so just because everyone (including the perpetrators) thinks so.

The only solution is to incorporate technology. Machines are neutral. Maybe the Aibo creators can come up with some linejudging dogs. That'll be fun.

cool. aibo dogs rocks. they will use their laser eyes to determined to the milimeters or even micrometers whether the shuttle clipped the lines. one bark for in and two barks for out. awesome.


1) Agreed, but the ASAP could take some time
2) They don't.
3) Difficult to implement. And even if you force the match to be played, it could be farce (one player hitting all his shots out for example) which makes it even worse.
4) Hard to prove bias.
5) Shouts could be directed at own player but indirectly towards opponent.
6) Debatable. Some misconducts are more severe than others. Don't lump them together and give a blanket punishment.

1. yeah ASAP in BWF means as soon as probably not now but soonish....
2. they dont enter the court per se but maybe they should not even be near the court at all unless it is a break.
3. agree, hard to prove.
4. agree with you here too. maybe just replace the ones who are making more than two obvious mistakes immediately. dont let them continue in that match.
5. i guess so. there are many ways to intimidate players and many ways to break the rules. hehehehe
6. i agree, the punishment should depend on the misconduct and the severity.

[markham player]

It is about time BWF is serious about introducing the hawk eyes system to settle arguments on suspicious line calls. If you ask LinDan, LiMao, TH, LCW & the rest of us, I think 99.9% would say "yes" to the system. Therefore, it is unnecessary for Kun to do a survey here. Haha!

[alfa-2]

He would be honest and signal "unsighted".

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D POST of THE MONTH !!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[alfa-2]

Two extremes of reaction after bad line calls. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdUgLuRTF8

This is the most ridiculous line call I have ever seen. :eek:


:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: I knew it was bad there, but i didnt know it was that serious. %$#%@^$^!$&$@!%@&:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: You can park an elephant between the base line and where the ball had landed.

[alfa-2]

What kind of ex-player is this? Professional badminton player in Almost-blind-land? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdUgLuRTF8

It's ex-"VERY PATRIOTIC" professional badminton player, they missed out the bold part.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Fan888]

I noticed it was the same backline (away from camera) that had many of these overruled bad calls (MSF and XDF). Can anyone see if it were the same line judge? Or they have substituted between games?

[Dreamzz]

it's very systematic though. i've been watching some of the games where no korean players were involved, and the line judging was very normal. yeah, there were a few close calls, but nothing blatant and at no time did any of the players make much of a fuss.

it would alse be interesting to see whether these line judges (the ones in games without korean players) were used in matches with korean players, and whether their judging was consistent.

[Smichz]

So,is the BWF going to take actions against the korean open comitee?That was sick..n whether they realize about it or not,but spectators n fans all over the world r able to find out the truth,through these youtube videos.They should be smart enough to confess their dirty play..

[hcyong]

it's very systematic though. i've been watching some of the games where no korean players were involved, and the line judging was very normal. yeah, there were a few close calls, but nothing blatant and at no time did any of the players make much of a fuss.

it would alse be interesting to see whether these line judges (the ones in games without korean players) were used in matches with korean players, and whether their judging was consistent.

Yes .... let's keep a database of the Korean linejudges ... we will track their every judgement ... we will video every line call they make, and for calls that were obviously wrong/bias, we will expose their shame on the Internet ... maybe even pry into their personal lives a little bit ... let's see if they will do it again ... volunteers, anyone? ... not me, do I look like a nutcase ...

[Turbo]

by the way, do you guys think its out or in?

fro me looks out even with the cameras distance

[ViningWolff]

I'm pretty sure the hawkeye technology could be modified to track a shuttle and how hard would it be to have instant replay? The all England broadcasts are escpecially fast at slow motion replays around line calls.

The other thing that can be done is having line judges from third party countries so there is less chance of home court bias.

[azabaz_ipoh]

i hear nothing so far of the result of the investigation. what is it that BWF is doing? nothing. no news of a better system for linejudging. no news on the linejudges. no news on the actual scuffles. maybe they are just waiting for this to die on it's own. and that way they don't have to do anything or penalize anyone.

[huangkwokhau]

i hear nothing so far of the result of the investigation. what is it that BWF is doing? nothing. no news of a better system for linejudging. no news on the linejudges. no news on the actual scuffles. maybe they are just waiting for this to die on it's own. and that way they don't have to do anything or penalize anyone.
It takes time to ge alll reports....as I have mentioned, the earlier will be in april or May....
For Hawkeye, it will be discussed among BWF members in All England....more likely hawkeye will be used on all SS series and big event like Olympic, WC...

[azabaz_ipoh]

cool. i hope either the hawkeye or the multi camera for replays will be adopted. will make the matches more fair and level for all players. :)

[taneepak]

The intensity, concentration, and extreme competitive nature of the NSS where there is no second chance or where a lapse of losing just one serve means life or death, now demands that line calls or calls for faulty serves be absolutely faultless. One part of the game is not catching up with another part of the game which has now been changed to a remarkable level of extreme competitive sport.