Anyone have a link to the seeding it was supposed to come out today i think but I suppose it'll just be taken from the rankings. Will they use the normal rankings or the super series rankings i would presume they will use the mains ones? I hope taufik ends up in lin dans half im hoping for lin dan v taufik and lcw v sdk then a lcw taufik final!!! any better ideas on hopeful matches?

Anyone have a link to the seeding it was supposed to come out today i think but I suppose it'll just be taken from the rankings. Will they use the normal rankings or the super series rankings i would presume they will use the mains ones? I hope taufik ends up in lin dans half im hoping for lin dan v taufik and lcw v sdk then a lcw taufik final!!! any better ideas on hopeful matches?

LD vs PSH
LHI vs PG
LCW vs SDK
TH vs BCL

Semi:
PSH vs LHI
TH vs SDK

Fin
LHI vs TH

Winner:
TH

..............in........your dreams.........

yeah man....keep on dreaming...as much as I want TH to win...but I dont think he will be able to...recent form not good enough.

As we know, the seeding report usually displayed through BWF website. And the seeding position is always using World Ranking not SS ranking despite All England is one of 12 SS tournaments.

Based on latest WR, MS top-8 seeding are :

1) Lin Dan
2) Lee Chong Wei
3) Bao Chunlai
4) Chen Jin
5) Kenneth Jonassen
6) Sony Dwi Kuncoro
7) Taufik Hidayat
8) Peter Gade

anyone know why simon santoso hasn't entered? and also chen hong?

anyone know why simon santoso hasn't entered? and also chen hong?
maybe because it is nearly impossible for Simon to gain more points to go to the olympics (at least he has to win AE and swiss open), than Hendrawan said its better to prepare him better for the upcoming thomas cup....:p

ye maybe at least its two les dangerous players that could have knocked out the big guns!! hopefully there wont be too many players dropping out

anyone know why simon santoso hasn't entered? and also chen hong?
He will be concentrated on Thomas cup and he will play Asian Championship later........

here it is guys - seeding report - altho the bwf site says 'to be confrmed by referee' so perhaps subject to change
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/AllEnglandGP/AllEnglandSeedingReportversion_1.xls

anyone know why simon santoso hasn't entered? and also chen hong?

I think is obvious BPSI prefers Taufik and Soni to go for Olympic than Simon hence doesn't want to create controversy in case Simon ends up with higher ranking point than the other two. It's understandable though unfair.
As for Chen Hong, it's better that he doesn't come as he already had pact with China Badminton Association before he was allow to go "independent" including intentional "walk" if he meets any Chinese player in his route to any tournament. Chen Hong reputation is already in such shamble, why further ruin it?

All England 2008 MS Draw:


LD vs Anup
BCL vs Hafiz
LHI vs CY
PGC vs Kendrick
Susilo vs TH
Sairul vs LCW

The draw is out just now..LCW will meet Taufik in the quarter final..Hafiz is unlucky again..He opponent in the first round is BCL and if he gone through,he may meet LHI or Chen Yu.

All England 2008 WS Draw:


XXF vs Yip PY
WMC vs Maria
Judith vs Jun JY
Zhou M vs Xu HW
Yao Jie vs ZN

WMC vs Maria

the battle of ASEAN's best WS

LD vs PSH probably in QF
time for revenge

I'm glad with the draw
TH is in the same half with LCW

The draw is out just now..LCW will meet Taufik in the quarter final..Hafiz is unlucky again..He opponent in the first round is BCL and if he gone through,he may meet LHI or Chen Yu.

between LCW and TH, who will win?

between LCW and TH, who will win?
I don't know...I support both of them but i know you only want Lin Dan to win..:D:pJust kidding.Why don't you predict first..

i think lee chong wei still has the edge..but i dunno...taufik is so unpredictable

Lol man..... KKK/TBH is facing their japs nemesis in the 1st round. Good luck to them.

between LCW and TH, who will win?

Physical battle, LCW.

Mental battle, TH.

Motivation battle, dunno.

Quite an even draw in MD:-

Cai/Fu will be challenged by Tony/Candra or LJJ/HJM.
Defending champs get the trickiest path, Ikeda/Sakamoto, then if they pass, there's Gunawan/Riyadi and possibly one of the two Danes waiting.
CTF/LWW has the smoothest path, even then, old foes Luluk/Alvent will surely be waiting.
World Champs will probably square off with Jung/Lee or Fairuz/Zakry.

MS, anticipated QF:

LD vs Park (revenge time)
LCW vs Taufik
Gade vs LHI
CJ vs Boonsak or Sony

MS, anticipated QF:

LD vs Park (revenge time)
LCW vs Taufik
Gade vs LHI
CJ vs Boonsak or Sony
Wow..This is so interesting...i am looking forward to this year All England.:)

WS - anticipated QF

WMC has tricky path to q-final rematch vs XXF. She has got to pass Maria and then Jiang Yanjiao. Jiang won the last round in Denmark. XXF won't have any problems keeping her end of the bargain.

Tine vs Zhu Lin (round 2) on the cards, the winner expected to play Pi.

WC vs Lu Lan q-final expected, but Schenk might surprise.

The winner between Jun and Zhou Mi expected to take care of Zhang Ning.

Prediction of Indonesian players:

MS:
Tommy Sugiarto (Qual) will face Bobby Milroy from Canada. This is tough match for Tommy Sugiarto. If can thru, Tommy will meet Dicky Palyama. I think Tommy will fail to go to main draw, unless Dicky Palyama get ticket to main draw if some players withdraw.

Taufik Hidayat will meet his ex Indonesian player Ronald Susilo. Susilo sometimes make difficult some players. Ng Wei and Lee Chong Wei will wait in the next round if he can beat Susilo. This is tough draw for TH since his performance was not best recently. But, I still hope that TH can gain the AE title to complete his title collection.

SDK will meet his nation-mate, Andre Kurniawan. Andre is nominated as 4th single player for Indonesia TC team together with Alamsyah and Tommy Sugiarto. Boonsak Ponsana and Chen Jin will be faced in the next round.

WS

Adriyanti Firdasari has the bigggest chance to go to main draw since she only will meet 2 Thai players, Soratja and Salakjit. IMO, if she has problem with physical fitness, Lu Lan will wait her in main draw.

Pia Zebadiah actually has good draw in the preliminary round, but she must face her junior opponent, Wang Yihan in the final qual. As far as I remember, Pia never won with Wang Yihan, not this time either.

Maria Kristin. WS No.1 from Indonesia is not in good perform recently. She will meet WMC in the first round. If this duel happenned in three years ago, probably Maria has chance to win this battle, but not this time. My prediction: No Indonesian WS will through 2nd round unless miracle happen.

MD

Bona/Ahsan get toughest match in preliminary qual. In the first round will meet Anthony Clark/David Lindley. I don't think Bona/Ahsan will win this match, but if it is, Chen Xu/Zheng Bo will waiting for them.

Bad draw also gotten by Rian/Yoke, since they must meet 1st seeded FHF/CY. No hope...Also Hendra/Joko who will meet 3rd seeded, KKK/TBH in the 2nd round.

Luluk/Alvent will face TCF/LWW in quarter if they can pass 2 matches before. This is a warming up before TC, and both pairs predicted will meet as 2nd MD. I predict LH/AY will win this battle and hope will meet his companion, MK/HS to save one place in the final.

MK/HS get easier draw than other Indonesian MD, but they also must face dark horses such as Keita/Tadashi, Chieh/Sheng, LYD/JJS, or Mathias Boe, Carsten Morgensen, to go to final round.

WD:

Wong/Chin squaring off again with World No 1, this time ZYW/WYL will probably have their revenge. Possible q-final, ZYW/WYL vs Jo/Greysia.

CHN tomboys vs JPN cuties

GL/ZTT expected to battle the tough Koreans.

YW/CTF's girlfriend will have another long battle with either Cheng/Chien or Vita/Lilyana.

WD:

Lita/Nitya probably will not meet any difficulties to go to main draw. They will meet 3 MAS pairs before face GL/ZTT in the 2nd round, and it will be their end road.

Jo/Greysia will face English pair, and if they can through up to QF, they will meet 1st seeded, ZY/WY...

Rani/Endang also get tough match starting 2nd round while they meet Kumiko/Reiko. If they want to go to Beijing, they must win this battle, or forget about Olympics.

I predict Liliyana/Vita will go to QF if they play normal, and they will meet Yang Wei/Zhang Ziewen. If we flashback, Lilyana/Vita have tight match with YW/ZZ, and it is not impossible if they can pass through SF to meet Du Jing/Yu Yang.

XD:

M.Rizal/Greysia will meet Thai pair in the first round. This is bad draw, but Rizal/Greysia sometimes can make difficult Thai pair before. I hope that Rizal/Greysia will boost their energy to beat Thai pair.

Flandy/Vita have easier draw up to QF, and will meet Nathan/Gail Emms in QF, then probably their teammate, Nova/Lilyana

Nova/Lilyana will meet another teammate, Devin/Lita in first round, and face toughest opponent in next round, Danish pair. I predict they will fail to go to next round.

wow!!.
lcw to meet TH in the QF!!.
damn tough draw for chong wei!...
anyway i believe this match shud be a very interesting match to watch..

looks like its a tough draw for mew choo beginning from the 2nd round...

not exactly a good draw for INA's youngsters in MD, MS and XD. jst hope that taufik can really pull it off this time around...

Nightmare draw for Djarum players:
Andre Kurniawan Tedjono vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro
Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun

Dissapointed caifu wijayagunawan and kootanallin same half :-( hopefully kido and setiawan get knocked out early I can;t stand watching kido and also I want lee yong dae to do well! Lin Dan has twocompatriots in his half which will help him but maybe if lee hyun il can get through chen yu and bao wont be able to make it an easier route through for lin dan. I'd like to see gade or hyun il get thru to play lin dan and also for sony dwi kwuncoro to getthru to the semis his style is good to watch. Shame about lee chong wei and taufik in the samme quarter hopefullthe winner wont be too tired to beat chen jin or sony dwi and then whoever is in final.

Since Koo/Tan are not in Kido/Hendra's half of the draw, it bodes well for the INA pair. Let Tony/Candra and AG/Joko handle those pairs. Jung/Lee (or Boe/Mogensen) and Choong/Lee (or Luluk/Alvent) will be the main opponents for a place in the Final.

Ohtsuka/Masuda and Fang/Lee are also tricky opponents.

Does anyone think we might get finalists in either WS or WD that are not all-chinese? I think it's more exciting when you get players from different countries and the atmosphere is definitely better. Who do you think is the best bet to break up the chinese monopoly?

Does anyone think we might get finalists in either WS or WD that are not all-chinese? I think it's more exciting when you get players from different countries and the atmosphere is definitely better. Who do you think is the best bet to break up the chinese monopoly?
wong mew chew and pi hongyan i think for the singles maybe wang chen but definitely wong mew chew lee and lee from korea in WD and also lilyana and vita. im concentratin more on MS and MD though :D

bad draw for english mens doubles - the two experience players have been draw in the same qualifying group - but also alongside Xu and Bo from china who are both in the top 10 for XD, Bo is an accomplished MD player... i've not really heard of Xu - but i'm sure he's pretty good since he's high up in the XD ranking as well..

The draw is out just now..LCW will meet Taufik in the quarter final..Hafiz is unlucky again..He opponent in the first round is BCL and if he gone through,he may meet LHI or Chen Yu.

Think on the positive side, Hafiz is not facing Chong Wei or Lin Dan in round 1, that is a blessing. If Hafiz play well then Bao is beatable.

Come on Indonesia!!!

Qualification rounds. Some tough calls and upsets on the cards but I predict the following to advance to the main draw:

MS: Tien Minh NGUYEN, John MOODY, Tommy SUGIARTO, Seung Mo SHON

MD: Robert ADCOCK/Robin MIDDLETON, Naoki KAWAMAE/Keishi KAWAGUCHI, Bo ZHENG/Chen XU, Rasmus MANGOR ANDERSEN/Peter BUUR STEFFENSEN

WS: Elizabeth CANN, Salakjit PONSANA, Julia Pei Xian WONG, Yihan WANG (according to seeding!)

WD: Fiona MCKEE/Charmaine REID, Hui Lin NG/Liu Ying GOH, Judith MEULENDIJKS/Jie YAO, Nitya Krishinda MAHESWARI/Lita NURLITA

XD: Craig COOPER/Renee FLAVELL, Wee Kiong TAN/Khe Wei WOON, Michal LOGOSZ/Natalie MUNT, Tadashi OHTSUKA/Satoko SUETSUNA

Physical battle, LCW.

Mental battle, TH.

Motivation battle, dunno.
..shouldn't it be the other way around for LCW & TH??...as for motivation, it's definitely Taufik...:p
MS, anticipated QF:

LD vs Park (revenge time)
...
..from which tourney/lost??..:confused:

Park has a pretty good record against LD. Every player has someone he has trouble against. In LD's case it is PSH. Just do a search on that (sorry, it was naughty of me to cross threads) :D:D;)

..from which tourney/lost??..:confused:

Remember...Lin Dan lost to Park Sung Hwan in the very first round of his home event (China Open 2007), even though he had match points in his hand.

Qualification rounds. Some tough calls and upsets on the cards but I predict the following to advance to the main draw:

MS: Tien Minh NGUYEN, John MOODY, Tommy SUGIARTO, Seung Mo SHON

MD: Robert ADCOCK/Robin MIDDLETON, Naoki KAWAMAE/Keishi KAWAGUCHI, Bo ZHENG/Chen XU, Rasmus MANGOR ANDERSEN/Peter BUUR STEFFENSEN

WS: Elizabeth CANN, Salakjit PONSANA, Julia Pei Xian WONG, Yihan WANG (according to seeding!)

WD: Fiona MCKEE/Charmaine REID, Hui Lin NG/Liu Ying GOH, Judith MEULENDIJKS/Jie YAO, Nitya Krishinda MAHESWARI/Lita NURLITA

XD: Craig COOPER/Renee FLAVELL, Wee Kiong TAN/Khe Wei WOON, Michal LOGOSZ/Natalie MUNT, Tadashi OHTSUKA/Satoko SUETSUNA
chun seang might spoil nguyen's day! :D

chun seang might spoil nguyen's day! :D

nguyen might spoil everybody's day! ;):D

Poor LD. Possible horror route for him,facing the great wall of Korea: SSM,PSH,LHI with LM in his line of sight for 3 consecutive matches!!!He may much prefer meeting TH.Great treat in store for AE fans;the gigantic LCW-TH clash, with both at their most motivated.QF matches are the best deal. Wonder if RTM will broadcast selective QF matches which will likely be off-peak time?

Think on the positive side, Hafiz is not facing Chong Wei or Lin Dan in round 1, that is a blessing. If Hafiz play well then Bao is beatable.


I agree --- BAO is not that good as he makes it out to be. It was just Hafiz was not any better before. If Hafiz steps up, he can take him out. If Hafiz fizzles instead of sizzles, then I think he will have even more people knocking him.

Hafiz, do or die !

Poor LD. Possible horror route for him,facing the great wall of Korea: SSM,PSH,LHI with LM in his line of sight for 3 consecutive matches!!!He may much prefer meeting TH.Great treat in store for AE fans;the gigantic LCW-TH clash, with both at their most motivated.QF matches are the best deal. Wonder if RTM will broadcast selective QF matches which will likely be off-peak time?

Absolutely. LD will relive his 'nightmares'.:D

As for TH vs LCW, it has been a while since the titans met. My eyes will be glued to the TV if it is to be broadcasted.

Poor LD. Possible horror route for him,facing the great wall of Korea: SSM,PSH,LHI with LM in his line of sight for 3 consecutive matches!!!He may much prefer meeting TH.Great treat in store for AE fans;the gigantic LCW-TH clash, with both at their most motivated.QF matches are the best deal. Wonder if RTM will broadcast selective QF matches which will likely be off-peak time?

LD is a champion with 2 WCs and 3 AEs. He will be game to take on any shuttler. Thats the hallmark of a true champion.

I am so looking forward to the AE.

Bao should have no problems with Hafiz.
The only problem LD should have is against PSH but he will be extremely motivated to annihilate the Korean, can't wait!

Tough draw for everybody especially on MS.....

Wow...what a draw....

MS.

I doubt LD will go through the Final Round....Either PSH or LHI will stop him.
PSH must be very, very happy with the draw

LCW vs TH...Hmmmm As this year AE might be his last AE, I am sure it is will be very, very hard this time for LCW to defeat TH.

Wow...what a draw....

MS.

I doubt LD will go through the Final Round....Either PSH or LHI will stop him.
PSH must be very, very happy with the draw

LCW vs TH...Hmmmm As this year AE might be his last AE, I am sure it is will be very, very hard this time for LCW to defeat TH.

Only question is whether TH has been motivated enough to train seriously for the AE. His recent form is not inspiring enough to convince us thus far, unfortunately. :(

Wow...what a draw....

MS.

I doubt LD will go through the Final Round....Either PSH or LHI will stop him.
PSH must be very, very happy with the draw

LCW vs TH...Hmmmm As this year AE might be his last AE, I am sure it is will be very, very hard this time for LCW to defeat TH.


Double or nothing the two nasi padang you owed me ? I take LCW to beat Taufik -- I give you odds too if you want :D- i.e. if Taufik wins, you win back the two you owed me but if I win, I win only one (to make 3 you would owe). Mahu ?

Double or nothing the two nasi padang you owed me ? I take LCW to beat Taufik -- I give you odds too if you want :D- i.e. if Taufik wins, you win back the two you owed me but if I win, I win only one (to make 3 you would owe). Mahu ?

Assuming you win, will you be physically be available to savour the tasty nasi padang? :D:D:D

Not unless come May you join us in Jakarta to watch the Thomas Cup finals! ;)

Assuming you win, will you be physically be available to savour the tasty nasi padang? :D:D:D

Not unless come May you join us in Jakarta to watch the Thomas Cup finals! ;)


I am going in May for a meeting with a company -- booked my Air Asia ticket already. So Indra will have no excuse but to win this else buy many nasi padang (the time of reckoning has come Indra !).:)

Double or nothing the two nasi padang you owed me ? I take LCW to beat Taufik -- I give you odds too if you want :D- i.e. if Taufik wins, you win back the two you owed me but if I win, I win only one (to make 3 you would owe). Mahu ?

Accepted!!...It sounds good

Accepted!!...It sounds good

Top man........hope you win.

the air around me crackle with excitement at the excellent matches coming up this AE. should be a good one. :D

between LCW and TH, who will win?
Physical battle, LCW.

Mental battle, TH.

Motivation battle, dunno.
..shouldn't it be the other way around for LCW & TH??...as for motivation, it's definitely Taufik...:p
...
:p..aiyoh, i think i might've misunderstood or over-read what abedeng wrote. I had thought what he meant was which category LCW and TH lacks/needs improvement in? Yes, abedeng's correct, the physical advantage should be with LCW; while the mental advantage should be with Taufik.:cool:
Park has a pretty good record against LD. Every player has someone he has trouble against. In LD's case it is PSH. Just do a search on that (sorry, it was naughty of me to cross threads) :D:D;)
Remember...Lin Dan lost to Park Sung Hwan in the very first round of his home event (China Open 2007), even though he had match points in his hand.
..hmm, lots of players have good records against & have troubled certain players. But their possible latest encounter of being a "revenge" match for LD is, IMO, a bit too much. As for going back to LD's lost to PSH in the 1st round of last yr's CO, gosh, i didn't even remember that match??:p..I mean, it's been over 6 months already & many things had happened..Anyway..:p
If anything, a "revenge" match most of us BCers are anticipating, and to an extent that's still "fresh" in most of the BCers' minds, is between LD vs. LHI.;)

Interesting draws. I can't wait...

LD will be tumbled by the Koreans. TH needs to really work hard if he wanna win the title and so does LCW.

Interesting draws. I can't wait...

LD will be tumbled by the Koreans. TH needs to really work hard if he wanna win the title and so does LCW.

I think the only player that everybody likes to avoid is Lin Dan so I really don't see 3 amigos from Korea are going to topple his kingdom! This is a SS AE, if Lin Dan doesn't meet with 3 capable Koreans then will be others dangerous opponents and he will over come this obstacle and march forward and defend his title regardless.
I really don't see any one can come close to challenge him even our Malaysian ace in this pressure cook tournament. Be objective thinking thru the logic, Lin Dan is an obvious choice, however, MD is totally different story.

I think the only player that everybody likes to avoid is Lin Dan so I really don't see 3 amigos from Korea are going to topple his kingdom! This is a SS AE, if Lin Dan doesn't meet with 3 capable Koreans then will be others dangerous opponents and he will over come this obstacle and march forward and defend his title regardless.
I really don't see any one can come close to challenge him even our Malaysian ace in this pressure cook tournament. Be objective thinking thru the logic, Lin Dan is an obvious choice, however, MD is totally different story.

Choice yes, but result could turn out differently!:p:p

I think the only player that everybody likes to avoid is Lin Dan so I really don't see 3 amigos from Korea are going to topple his kingdom! This is a SS AE, if Lin Dan doesn't meet with 3 capable Koreans then will be others dangerous opponents and he will over come this obstacle and march forward and defend his title regardless.
I really don't see any one can come close to challenge him even our Malaysian ace in this pressure cook tournament. Be objective thinking thru the logic, Lin Dan is an obvious choice, however, MD is totally different story.

Agree if you look it that objectively (that if it weren't the Koreans, it would be some others just as capable) BUT we are talking about the Koreans (both) giving him trouble before (and beaten him). If they were to play him one after the other, he might just be overawed by them and their techniques (probably to tire him with long rallies so that the next guy can finish him off).

And as someone said, there is Li Mao, who must have picked up LYB's techniques of haunting the oppposition as coach, to contend with. Even though he is on the sideline, he could still be intimidating if he starts yelling a few words which would unsettle LD.:D All he needs to say is something like this "Finish that Wan Pa Tan" and that would cause LD's blood to rise 20 times.:D

Agree if you look it that objectively (that if it weren't the Koreans, it would be some others just as capable) BUT we are talking about the Koreans (both) giving him trouble before (and beaten him). If they were to play him one after the other, he might just be overawed by them and their techniques (probably to tire him with long rallies so that the next guy can finish him off).

And as someone said, there is Li Mao, who must have picked up LYB's techniques of haunting the oppposition as coach, to contend with. Even though he is on the sideline, he could still be intimidating if he starts yelling a few words which would unsettle LD.:D All he needs to say is something like this "Finish that Wan Pa Tan" and that would cause LD's blood to rise 20 times.:D

What does Wan Pa Tan mean?

Wel..well....I would like to see Li Mao vs Li Yong Bo fight against each other before and after the match.....

I am sure the main event of this year AE is the showdown between Li Mao vs Li Yong Bo...Looking at the draw....I am optimistic Li Mao will win....

The pressure is on LD now, as he lost to PSW in their last encounter. Also, LD lost to another Korean player, LHI in his last match. Man...man...Li Mao is a nightmare for LD and LYB.

It seems that LI Mao is holding the turf card of the Chinese players. He knows how to defeat them....

A possible LYB/LinDan vs LiMao Clash? 2 Against 1.

Agree if you look it that objectively (that if it weren't the Koreans, it would be some others just as capable) BUT we are talking about the Koreans (both) giving him trouble before (and beaten him). If they were to play him one after the other, he might just be overawed by them and their techniques (probably to tire him with long rallies so that the next guy can finish him off).

And as someone said, there is Li Mao, who must have picked up LYB's techniques of haunting the oppposition as coach, to contend with. Even though he is on the sideline, he could still be intimidating if he starts yelling a few words which would unsettle LD.:D All he needs to say is something like this "Finish that Wan Pa Tan" and that would cause LD's blood to rise 20 times.:D
Your English is so wonderfully spiced with quick wit and wicked humour, it's a surprise to know you might have a PhD in Mandarin.What's 'wan pa tan'? My Mandarin's only elementary, haven't got there yet;I love Mandarin expressions
but it doesn't like sound an expression I should ask my teacher tomorrow. So, how about explaining what it means and its origins?

Actually LD's very vulnerable now for two reasons.
First, he has been beaten by 5 non-CHN MS now, with another 5 able to upset him.Second, the SS is very hard on him.He may have to play 5 non-CHN MS in a row, sth he's not mentally used to. Before SS, the draw format used to give him non opponents in the first 2 rounds and another bye with a CHN MS in QF or SF. So effectively he used to play some 3 tough matches to win a title.Now it's as tough as 5.That's requiring like 70% more mental energy than what he's conditioned for.
The point is: LD's not feared like before so he has lost that invisible advantage.Even a MS who would lose to a top 10 player would prefer to meet LD for the experience and challenge with a visibility bonus.Yet it must be noted that LD's standard has gone up and his game is better in some ways. Problem is the other 10 non-CHN MS have also improved a lot more (except BP,where's his INA coach, does anyone know?) so the gap has closed to the extent that an upset is possible by the lower-ranked of the 10.

XBall's first language is probably Mandarin, perhaps with its roots all the way from Shanghai! ;)

So you should expect more such fiery expressions as "Wan Pa Tan" under his belt. If an expression like this can make LD's blood boil, then you can conjecture what it means, certainly not very savory! :D

Well we have to be careful with the other Darkhorses. Too much LinDan,LCW,Taufik,Peter Gade etc.. will do no good. The champ might end up someone else that we didnt expect..

Actually LD's very vulnerable now for two reasons.
First, he has been beaten by 5 non-CHN MS now, with another 5 able to upset him.Second, the SS is very hard on him.He may have to play 5 non-CHN MS in a row, sth he's not mentally used to. Before SS, the draw format used to give him non opponents in the first 2 rounds and another bye with a CHN MS in QF or SF. So effectively he used to play some 3 tough matches to win a title.Now it's as tough as 5.That's requiring like 70% more mental energy than what he's conditioned for.
The point is: LD's not feared like before so he has lost that invisible advantage.Even a MS who would lose to a top 10 player would prefer to meet LD for the experience and challenge with a visibility bonus.Yet it must be noted that LD's standard has gone up and his game is better in some ways. Problem is the other 10 non-CHN MS have also improved a lot more (except BP,where's his INA coach, does anyone know?) so the gap has closed to the extent that an upset is possible by the lower-ranked of the 10.

nonsense.
before LD reach #1 position, absolutely he must to play 5-6 matches, as same as the others.

I don't know...I support both of them but i know you only want Lin Dan to win..:D:pJust kidding.Why don't you predict first..

actually, we are the same:).
it doesn't matter who will win, as long as its MAS players, its ok, right?

Your English is so wonderfully spiced with quick wit and wicked humour, it's a surprise to know you might have a PhD in Mandarin.What's 'wan pa tan'? My Mandarin's only elementary, haven't got there yet;I love Mandarin expressions
but it doesn't like sound an expression I should ask my teacher tomorrow. So, how about explaining what it means and its origins?


I have been learning Mandarin for the last thousand years but manage only to speak the 'rough' stuff - this is why I am confident with that word.:D

Please forgive me if I don't spell out the meaning but if you see another confrontation between Li Mao and LD, you will know those words or its equivalent were used.

I have been learning Mandarin for the last thousand years but manage only to speak the 'rough' stuff - this is why I am confident with that word.:D

Please forgive me if I don't spell out the meaning but if you see another confrontation between Li Mao and LD, you will know those words or its equivalent were used.

Oh my gosh.. i never knew that you are that OLD! This must be a Guiness World Of Record for Oldest Living Human alive. Its such a priviledge to met and dine with you. Thousand Years Old guy.

Joking aside.. its not easy to learn Mandarin.. for me its mostly trial and error.

Back to topic... the draws are favourable so far for Malaysia and Indonesia.

Oh my gosh.. i never knew that you are that OLD! This must be a Guiness World Of Record for Oldest Living Human alive. Its such a priviledge to met and dine with you. Thousand Years Old guy.

Joking aside.. its not easy to learn Mandarin.. for me its mostly trial and error.

Back to topic... the draws are favourable so far for Malaysia and Indonesia.

Believe me if our guys lose in the AE, you could wake up older than me.:D My mandarin is also so-so - love to take it up seriously like PjSwift. I may only be slightly better than him but equal yours (these days I mix cantonese with mandarin, almost sounding like a HongKongnese).

Anyway, although I prefer LCW playing Taufik, it would not have mattered coz LCW is at his best, and he is ready for anyone, LD no exception. If LCW continues to work hard, I can't see how LD can find a lot of joy meeting him.

WD:

I predict Liliyana/Vita will go to QF if they play normal, and they will meet Yang Wei/Zhang Ziewen. If we flashback, Lilyana/Vita have tight match with YW/ZZ, and it is not impossible if they can pass through SF to meet Du Jing/Yu Yang.
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are you sure vita/lily have tight match with YW/ZJW???as far as I know they lost easily twice when they met YW/ZJW.If they can beat YW/ZJW they will posibbly meet GL/ZTT not DJ/YY

are you sure vita/lily have tight match with YW/ZJW???as far as I know they lost easily twice when they met YW/ZJW.If they can beat YW/ZJW they will posibbly meet GL/ZTT not DJ/YY

As I know, Vita/Lilyana almost won in quarterfinal of KOR SS/08 last month when INA pair lost to Wei Yili/Zhang Yawen with 19-21 ; 3rd game.

Last year China Master SS, Vita/Lilyana created huge surprising to defeat 2 CHN WD en route to win title, Du Jing/Yu Yang plus Yang Wei/Zhao Tingting at semifinal and final respectively.

Talking about Vita/Lilyana drawing here, it's pretty tough from first round when they will face Poland pair Augustyn/Kostiuczyk, next TPE Cheng/Chien and then the second seed Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen.

Put it simply, yes Vita/Lilyana do have what it takes to beat the CHN pairs ....

Only difference is, CHN pairs are very good at getting out of trouble in tight situations. That's how Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen won the World Championships and this year's Malaysian Open, both at Putra Stadium.

have vita/lilyana even won a title since the China Masters last year?

have vita/lilyana even won a title since the China Masters last year?
They have not.....as China dominated WD last year.....does not mean that Vita/Lilyana could not beat them....

Before SS, the draw format used to give LD non opponents in the first 2 rounds and another bye with a CHN MS in QF or SF. So effectively he used to play some 3 tough matches to win a title.Now it's as tough as 5.That's requiring like 70% more mental energy than what he's conditioned for.


If we analyze more detail about TH’s performance (from 1999 until now), his average achievement was QF. I don’t analyze about LCW, but surely his achievement was lower than TH. meanwhile LD's average was SF.

one thing also, TH ever reach #1 position (surely receives bye in the first round). LCW being a no 1 (with the helps from BWF) and also as a WR #2 for more than 1 year (WR #2 also receives bye).

BUT, the questions are :
why they can’t win as many as LD?
why they only can win 2-3 consecutive matches in average?
WHY THEY LOST THEIR #1 STATUS?

They have not.....as China dominated WD last year.....does not mean that Vita/Lilyana could not beat them....

CHN's WD pairs don't know everything about Vita/Lilyana (coz they're a new pair), that's why Ina's pair can win in CM 07. after studying V/L style of play, it is easy to handle:D

Before SS, the draw format used to give him non opponents in the first 2 rounds and another bye with a CHN MS in QF or SF. So effectively he used to play some 3 tough matches to win a title.Now it's as tough as 5.That's requiring like 70% more mental energy than what he's conditioned for.


if a win against compatriot was considered as match fixing, so...

LCW wins against MAS players also as a result of match fixing:)


Head 2 Head:
LCW vs WCH 4-1
LCW vs LTS 1-0
LCW vs Roslin 2-2
LCW vs Hafiz 3-2
LCW vs Ayob 2-0

if LCW wants to avoid the assumption of match fixing, he should let Ayob win in next month AE 08:D

As I know, Vita/Lilyana almost won in quarterfinal of KOR SS/08 last month when INA pair lost to Wei Yili/Zhang Yawen with 19-21 ; 3rd game.

Last year China Master SS, Vita/Lilyana created huge surprising to defeat 2 CHN WD en route to win title, Du Jing/Yu Yang plus Yang Wei/Zhao Tingting at semifinal and final respectively.

Talking about Vita/Lilyana drawing here, it's pretty tough from first round when they will face Poland pair Augustyn/Kostiuczyk, next TPE Cheng/Chien and then the second seed Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen.

That true vita/lily almost created another upset at Korea this year against weiyili/zhang yawen,But What I mean is Yang Wei/Jie Wen.Vita/natsir always lost easily at their 2 previous meetings against Yang/Zhang.

any withdrawals???:confused::p

if a win against compatriot was considered as match fixing, so...

LCW wins against MAS players also as a result of match fixing:)


Head 2 Head:
LCW vs WCH 4-1
LCW vs LTS 1-0
LCW vs Roslin 2-2
LCW vs Hafiz 3-2
LCW vs Ayob 2-0

if LCW wants to avoid the assumption of match fixing, he should let Ayob win in next month AE 08:D


Times have changed...don't live on past glory, coz LCW is now more mature and becoming a better player. Pointless talking about the past. Let us not argue until the AE coz then we can see who is better.

CHN's WD pairs don't know everything about Vita/Lilyana (coz they're a new pair), that's why Ina's pair can win in CM 07. after studying V/L style of play, it is easy to handle:D
I do not think so...China is afraid of this pair...as usual on your comments....always look down on other players.....should we say also on Chinese WS which China has not won the first 2 SS this year.....it was shocking...I guess they know how to handle Chinese WS as well....:D:D

I guess the tittle is going to Lin Dan's. As much as I'm a Chong Wei fan, I guess Lin Dan will triump in this tournament. Besides, I bet he definitly has high determination as he haven't won any tittle this year yet. Nevertheless, I will still support Chong Wei. :D

Anyway, what do you guys think about Lee Hyun-Il

I guess the tittle is going to Lin Dan's. As much as I'm a Chong Wei fan, I guess Lin Dan will triump in this tournament. Besides, I bet he definitly has high determination as he haven't won any tittle this year yet. Nevertheless, I will still support Chong Wei. :D

Anyway, what do you guys think about Lee Hyun-Il

LHI the dark horse? :eek: :cool: :D

I'm sure the top players are wary of him as LHI has LM's backing, always behind him giving support! ;)

Not only does LHI get LM's backing, he gets LM's muscle as well ...... :D

if a win against compatriot was considered as match fixing, so...

LCW wins against MAS players also as a result of match fixing:)


Head 2 Head:
LCW vs WCH 4-1
LCW vs LTS 1-0
LCW vs Roslin 2-2
LCW vs Hafiz 3-2
LCW vs Ayob 2-0

if LCW wants to avoid the assumption of match fixing, he should let Ayob win in next month AE 08:D

Times have changed...don't live on past glory, coz LCW is now more mature and becoming a better player. Pointless talking about the past. Let us not argue until the AE coz then we can see who is better.

I'm not talking about past glory. what I mean is about the match fixing.
everyone in here always arguing that LD can win over his compatriot coz of the order from LYB. they don't realize that LD is better than any other CHN MS players, except CH (H2H: 5-5).
if they want to make an assumption like that, so it is possible also for me to
assume the same thing.

I'm not talking about past glory. what I mean is about the match fixing.
everyone in here always arguing that LD can win over his compatriot coz of the order from LYB. they don't realize that LD is better than any other CHN MS players, except CH (H2H: 5-5).
if they want to make an assumption like that, so it is possible also for me to
assume the same thing.
No need to argue lar..Just wait for the All England to come then you will know who is the champion..Now don't be so sure Lin Dan is the champion yet,you will be very dissapoint if he lost later.Believe me,i understand this feeling.:rolleyes:

I do not think so...China is afraid of this pair...as usual on your comments....always look down on other players.....should we say also on Chinese WS which China has not won the first 2 SS this year.....it was shocking...I guess they know how to handle Chinese WS as well....:D:D

don't forget. only 2 SS. not more.
but, can't u count how many tourneys that V/L lost after CM 07?

No need to argue lar..Just wait for the All England to come then you will know who is the champion..Now don't be so sure Lin Dan is the champion yet,you will be very dissapoint if he lost later.Believe me,i understand this feeling.:rolleyes:

I highly doubt if LCW can handle TH. and two thumbs up for him if he can win in straight sets. can he do it?

I highly doubt if LCW can handle TH. and two thumbs up for him if he can win in straight sets. can he do it?
if he is in the most top form, why not??
and i will give him full thumb if he finish the game with straight set..
dont forget that LCW had bt TH b4 in straight game!...

INA must win one All England title this year! It is about time! The last INA All England Title was in 2003 [Sigit-Candra]. It is time we get our day in the sun!

For Single WS, actually in the last 4 SS, China took one only in HKG, the rest CO, MAS and KOR are others....this is very unheard of before....basically other nations know how to beat Chinese Women.......;)
And dont forget Xie XF was not in Korea N Malaysia:)

Judging from KKK/TBH's performance against a scratch South Korean pair today, I'm doubtful they can defend their AE title.:eek::o

Judging from KKK/TBH's performance against a scratch South Korean pair today, I'm doubtful they can defend their AE title.:eek::o

what was that in?

Judging from KKK/TBH's performance against a scratch South Korean pair today, I'm doubtful they can defend their AE title.:eek::o

At this point, we should just consider them unable to defend the title so we don't get too disappointed down the road. All eyes should turn to Rexy, what "stunt" he's going to pull this time? :D

so,any chinese tv station would broadcast the match?

INA must win one All England title this year! It is about time! The last INA All England Title was in 2003 [Sigit-Candra]. It is time we get our day in the sun!

The MD World Champs have a pretty good draw to make it all the way.

If they fail, next year, send in more Djarum talents ....... :D

The MD World Champs have a pretty good draw to make it all the way.

If they fail, next year, send in more Djarum talents ....... :D


Abedeng, that is not like you, snickering at other people.:eek:

Abedeng, that is not like you, snickering at other people.:eek:

Nah, I don't snicker.:cool: I do believe that Kido/Setiawan can actually make it. More so after seeing how Koo/Tan fell last night.

But if they don't, and PBSI talent program is not bearing fruit, why not Djarum take the lead?

Nah, I don't snicker.:cool: I do believe that Kido/Setiawan can actually make it. More so after seeing how Koo/Tan fell last night.

But if they don't, and PBSI talent program is not bearing fruit, why not Djarum take the lead?


I always referring to your "send more Djarum talents..:D" statement. Don't often see that kinda postings from you but I may have missed them.

Djarum and other INA clubs are much like our KLRC (except that they are all local INA players), and sometimes you can see better results than PBSI. Andre Tedjono, for example. If he is not in the INA Thomas Cup squad, I would be surprised.

Sometimes it takes a shove to serve as a wake up call to national associations, like how KLRC and Nusa Mahsuri is pushing BAM. At the very least, now BAM acknowledges that Nusa's panel of coaches and some KLRC players are capable.

Djarum can do the same for PBSI. Take the lead, if it has to.

dont forget also fu and cai...!
their smashes are very powerful also!

Judging from KKK/TBH's performance against a scratch South Korean pair today, I'm doubtful they can defend their AE title.:eek::o

Like LCW during MO 2008, 'Last yr was MD, this year is MS's turn, we work together' (that was actually refering to Li Mao's statement on Msia MS & MD jealous of each other's win)

That match was a TOTAL JOKE! Similarly, the one between Xie Xingfang and Lu Lan. YAWN :(

Both younger players appeared "reluctant" to fight all the way, or in Bahasa Indonesia "mainnya ogah2an :eek:".

Of course, this was in contrast to that thrilling all-INA contest between Flandy/Vita and Nova/Butet, which went to the nail-biting finish :rolleyes:

Oh yeah-lah, me forgets you were there watching live, he he. You must have been nodding off, zzzzzzzzzz


Nah, I don't snicker.:cool: I do believe that Kido/Setiawan can actually make it. More so after seeing how Koo/Tan fell last night.

But if they don't, and PBSI talent program is not bearing fruit, why not Djarum take the lead?

Interesting also to see if the oldies (any country) can win it, for those retiring aft OG 2008. On the Msian side, this yr looks to be LCW's turn to show his mettle, MD see how far 'uncle' LWW/CTF can go.

Nah, I don't snicker.:cool: I do believe that Kido/Setiawan can actually make it. More so after seeing how Koo/Tan fell last night.

But if they don't, and PBSI talent program is not bearing fruit, why not Djarum take the lead?

Well, I certainly hope Kido/Hendra will take the title this year :cool: Koo/Tan and Fu/Cai have won the All-England....so let the INA pair win this time round ok :D?

Djarum is proving to be a real force in badminton. If not for Djarum, Andre Kurniawan Tedjono, Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki and Fran Kurniawan/Rendra Wijaya WILL NEVER GET THE CHANCE to compete in international tourneys and more importantly, win titles in the past 2 years.

Look at PBSI's own crop: Hendra AG/Joko Riyadi NEVER WIN any GP titles so far and have won only the Jakarta Satellite :cool: Now, even Fran/Rendra have won the Austrian International Championships 2008 and by doing so, they have repaid Djarum's faith in them. This is something that the other backup pairs (non-Djarum pair) in PBSI would obviously dream of....

if he is in the most top form, why not??
and i will give him full thumb if he finish the game with straight set..
dont forget that LCW had bt TH b4 in straight game!...

no need to offense. but honestly, I can't remembered it correctly.

last year, LCW beat TH with rubber set in CM 07 & Jpn 07.
can u tell me when is it exactly? thx.

LD's compatriots have given him walk over, other countries dont do that. China's player have given walk over to their team mates, citing injury - then the next day, very fit to play in another department.

Latest was of course Chen Jin's retirement cos of 'back injury' in HK 2007.
Not only ppl in here talk about it, BCers said the ppl at the stadium boo when walk over announced when it's China vs China.

All this adds up, since it has been happening for some time, & happening too often to be concidence.

And oh yeah, Sairol Ayob is with private club KLRC, not BAM, it's not all centralized like China, the players in Msia must prove themselves to earn a place in future tournaments. Even within BAM, higher ranking means better quarterly bonus.

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 2006

BCL vs LHI played first, and BCL won this match.
LD vs CH played later, LD won.
is this the match - fixing? BCL booked final ticket first means the title absolutely belongs to CHN. what is the need for match-fixing?

LD vs BCL, LD won. again, is this the match-fixing?


ALL ENGLAND 2007

Chinese National Championships in SF.
if there was a match fixing in CHN MS team, this time LYB must "sacrifice" LD coz of 2 reasons.
first, BCL lost to LD in WC 06 (the 2nd prestigious tourney after OG)
second, LD won it for twice, while his team-mates never won it.

if LYB ask BCL and CY to give up when they meet LD, isn't it will cause disharmonize in CHN MS team?


INDONESIA OPEN 2004

after failed in OG 04, there are 2 goals from CHN MS in INA 04.
1. its LYB's task to secure his position after his total failure in OG 04
2. its time to prove that CHN MS still the best in the world, by defeat reigning OG champion TH in his homeground.

SF : TH vs LD and BCL vs CH

absolutely if LYB wants to fix the match, he will pick BCL rether than CH coz CH never won against TH (until 2004), while BCL has better H2H records against Taufik (even BCL trounced Taufik in TC 04 in Jkt with straight sets). but, what's happened? who win the match between BCL vs CH?
no need to answer:rolleyes:

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1936/threaddirectionly1.gif
seriously, every thread seems to gravitate towards the same subject.

But, LD definitely has an uphill battle against the Korean armada, but he also has gobs of experience and the highest potential to take those matches since his opponents only rarely give him scares or knock him out it seems.

no need to offense. but honestly, I can't remembered it correctly.

last year, LCW beat TH with rubber set in CM 07 & Jpn 07.
can u tell me when is it exactly? thx.
all i can remember is during malaysia open..i didnt remember which year but lcw bt th in straight game under 5!!
and also many more match that lee chong wei beat taufik in straight sets...

its the 2006 malaysian open i think...15-? 15-0

its the 2006 malaysian open i think...15-? 15-0

Malaysia Open 2005

all i can remember is during malaysia open..i didnt remember which year but lcw bt th in straight game under 5!!
and also many more match that lee chong wei beat taufik in straight sets...

I thought TH won most of the times when he met LCW?:confused:
only in 2007 LCW leads with 2-1

whatever it is, lets see whether th and lcw can play how well against each other during the QF of the AE 08

I don't think anyone citing these matches as examples of "match-fixing". So what you have proven is "Not all China-China matches are fixed", which is obviously true.

That said, let's discuss a bit more about your examples.

WC2006 LD-CH. Anyone who watched the match can see how exhausted CH was in the 3rd game. You can see how CH wanted to fight but his legs just gave way. How CH knew in the 2nd half of the 3rd game that he had no more hope and cheered the audience.

AE2007. First I haven't seen anyone accusing the SFs as fixed. Your reasons do not sound right. LD is LYB's clear favorite in the whole China team, not only because LD is the best player there, but also because LYB sees his younger self in LD (according to LYB's own words). Also it's always a better strategy to build a myth than to give everyone a share. One superman is more useful than 100 spiderman (Just read a comic "Superman and Spiderman vs. Aliens vs. Predators", Spiderman is close to useless :D) Rudy Hartono is an example. Rumor has it that PBSI fixed some matches so that Rudy would appear invincible.

Indo2004. First can you provide info about which semi is played first? Second LYB has not "failed" in 04 OG. He got 3 Golds, including one "unexpected" XD gold (I vaguely remember the LYB predicted 2-3 golds in 04OG, correct me if this is not true). 04 OG is a failure for LD, not LYB. So I doubt he would care that much about 04 Indo Open (to the extent to fix matches), a tournament with no effect whatsoever on big tournaments like WC and OG.

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 2006

BCL vs LHI played first, and BCL won this match.
LD vs CH played later, LD won.
is this the match - fixing? BCL booked final ticket first means the title absolutely belongs to CHN. what is the need for match-fixing?

LD vs BCL, LD won. again, is this the match-fixing?


ALL ENGLAND 2007

Chinese National Championships in SF.
if there was a match fixing in CHN MS team, this time LYB must "sacrifice" LD coz of 2 reasons.
first, BCL lost to LD in WC 06 (the 2nd prestigious tourney after OG)
second, LD won it for twice, while his team-mates never won it.

if LYB ask BCL and CY to give up when they meet LD, isn't it will cause disharmonize in CHN MS team?


INDONESIA OPEN 2004

after failed in OG 04, there are 2 goals from CHN MS in INA 04.
1. its LYB's task to secure his position after his total failure in OG 04
2. its time to prove that CHN MS still the best in the world, by defeat reigning OG champion TH in his homeground.

SF : TH vs LD and BCL vs CH

absolutely if LYB wants to fix the match, he will pick BCL rether than CH coz CH never won against TH (until 2004), while BCL has better H2H records against Taufik (even BCL trounced Taufik in TC 04 in Jkt with straight sets). but, what's happened? who win the match between BCL vs CH?
no need to answer:rolleyes:

I don't think anyone citing these matches as examples of "match-fixing". So what you have proven is "Not all China-China matches are fixed", which is obviously true.

That said, let's discuss a bit more about your examples.

WC2006 LD-CH. Anyone who watched the match can see how exhausted CH was in the 3rd game. You can see how CH wanted to fight but his legs just gave way. How CH knew in the 2nd half of the 3rd game that he had no more hope and cheered the audience.


where is the match - fixing of ur analogy?

I don't think anyone citing these matches as examples of "match-fixing". So what you have proven is "Not all China-China matches are fixed", which is obviously true.

That said, let's discuss a bit more about your examples.

AE2007. First I haven't seen anyone accusing the SFs as fixed. Your reasons do not sound right. LD is LYB's clear favorite in the whole China team, not only because LD is the best player there, but also because LYB sees his younger self in LD (according to LYB's own words). Also it's always a better strategy to build a myth than to give everyone a share. One superman is more useful than 100 spiderman (Just read a comic "Superman and Spiderman vs. Aliens vs. Predators", Spiderman is close to useless :D) Rudy Hartono is an example. Rumor has it that PBSI fixed some matches so that Rudy would appear invincible.

Indo2004. First can you provide info about which semi is played first? Second LYB has not "failed" in 04 OG. He got 3 Golds, including one "unexpected" XD gold (I vaguely remember the LYB predicted 2-3 golds in 04OG, correct me if this is not true). 04 OG is a failure for LD, not LYB. So I doubt he would care that much about 04 Indo Open (to the extent to fix matches), a tournament with no effect whatsoever on big tournaments like WC and OG.

All England 07

as I mentioned it before, if LYB wants LD to become AE winner for 3 times, it will cause disharmonize in CHN MS team, consider LD receives so many "advantages" from his team mates (according to the most of the BCers).

LD had ever won it twice. no need to pursue the other goal. its hard to break Rudi's record.


Indonesia Open 2004

if I'm not wrong, BCL vs CH played first.
But if LYB wants his squad to win IO 04, absolutely he must "force" CH to give the final ticket for BCL, as an anticipation if TH win against LD (surely TH was the favorite, coz this is his home ground).

a win in Ina Open, in front of the crowd of reigning OG champion absolutely is great. it can proved that TH just lucky to win the OG's title

where is the match - fixing of ur analogy?

The Hong Kong Open 2007 had a number of examples of withdrawals and junior players having to let their senior won:
1. Lin Dan vs Chen Jin -- Chen Jin played half-heartedly, despite destroying Sony Dwi Kuncoro in the QF. At the end, he did not finish the match, citing injury :eek: Lots of boos in the QES stadium when that match finished in the way that the audience disliked :o:mad:

2. Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Xie Zhongbo/Guo Zhendong -- the 2nd pair withdraw, citing injury also, when in fact, I saw Xie Zhongbo practising with Zheng Bo in the next day :o

3. Zheng Bo/Gao Ling vs Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen -- ditto....the 2nd pair also withdrew.

4. Xie Xingfang vs Lu Lan -- see 1 above....Lu Lan did finish the match though...but it was clear that she did not even want to play :o:eek:

5. Xie Xingfang vs Zhu Lin -- not so obvious as the above, but, I noticed Zhu Lin looked "disgusted" and certainly did not play her best badminton :mad::rolleyes:

So, I would say, its sweet and satisfying to watch Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan as well as Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir eventually won the titles in Hong Kong....fair and square!

a win in Ina Open, in front of the crowd of reigning OG champion absolutely is great. it can proved that TH just lucky to win the OG's title

LOL...luck or not, he DID WIN the Olympic Games 2004. Where was Lin Dan, Bao Chunlai and Chen Hong in that Olympic? Oh yeah...Lin Dan got beaten in the very first round by a lowly ranked Ronald Susilo. The others also lost even before the Semi-Finals (Bao lost to Park Sung Hwan in R16 and Chen lost to Shon Sheung Mo in QF) :p

How Lin Dan wish he would also be just lucky that year :rolleyes:;)

I dare not imagine if Lin Dan were to lose the Olympics title again this year :cool:

I don't think anyone citing these matches as examples of "match-fixing". So what you have proven is "Not all China-China matches are fixed", which is obviously true.


Yup...that guy is hilarious....as a China-supporter, he used all these matches to prove that China is absolutely not guilty of "match-fixing". Like u mentioned, I don't think anyone of us here cited those matches as obvious examples :p

Now a challenge to our dear Winston:
PROVE that the above mentioned matches in HK Open were not "fixed"!

But eh...I did remember you had given one reason which "supported" the match fixing thingy: since this is Olympic qualification period, its "okay" for Team China to fix those matches and let those important players gain more Olympic points....LOL! I can't help but to burst into laughter....

All England 07

as I mentioned it before, if LYB wants LD to become AE winner for 3 times, it will cause disharmonize in CHN MS team, consider LD receives so many "advantages" from his team mates (according to the most of the BCers).

LD had ever won it twice. no need to pursue the other goal. its hard to break Rudi's record.


Indonesia Open 2004

if I'm not wrong, BCL vs CH played first.
But if LYB wants his squad to win IO 04, absolutely he must "force" CH to give the final ticket for BCL, as an anticipation if TH win against LD (surely TH was the favorite, coz this is his home ground).

a win in Ina Open, in front of the crowd of reigning OG champion absolutely is great. it can proved that TH just lucky to win the OG's title

Kurang ajar man...wat the heck why dun u prove that HK open is not fixed??? China is superior but they are not in terms of sportmanship

I dare not imagine if Lin Dan were to lose the Olympics title again this year :cool:

Who do you think is most likely to beat him ? :D

Who do you think is most likely to beat him ? :D

his first round opponent :D

his first round opponent :D

I would be laughing.....

Who do you think is most likely to beat him ? :D

Lee Hyun Il, Park Sung Hwan or Lee Chong Wei (based on recent months' performances).

It's likely he will not meet LCW until the Final, given their rankings right now.

Lee Hyun Il, Park Sung Hwan or Lee Chong Wei (based on recent months' performances).

It's likely he will not meet LCW until the Final, given their rankings right now.

Fair comment. I think so too. I wish Lee Hyun Il well coz he is able to take out anyone today due to the recent performances. Li Mao has done well as coach.

For LCW, he just gets better every day -- I think he may start favorite for the Olympics if he wins the AE.

LD has to show a lot more -- just matching LHI in the KO is not going to 'wow' anyone. I will reserve my comment on his performance after the AE.

PSH is hard to predict but is the dark horse.

Taufik is tough to beat but more beatable these days based on his performances.

everybody pls cool down....!!...
winston, next time think wisely about the fact b4 u posting..

everybody pls cool down....!!...
winston, next time think wisely about the fact b4 u posting..
George..Not there to support Roslin meh...He win already..:D:D:pSigh..I think everybody need some liang teh now..

Koo/Tan & Lee CW departing tonite from KLIA to Birminham, they will be participating an exhibition match there.
Anyone knows what is the lines-up for these matches?

Koo/Tan & Lee CW departing tonite from KLIA to Birminham, they will be participating an exhibition match there.
Anyone knows what is the lines-up for these matches?
I just posted their departure also ( one question thre)....INA tomorrow afternoon....

Pls//pls..win Frans/Rendra

Koo/Tan & Lee CW departing tonite from KLIA to Birminham, they will be participating an exhibition match there.
Anyone knows what is the lines-up for these matches?

They are playing in the world class exhibition at stratford upon avon on sunday. the match ups are as follows:

TH vs LCW
Koo/Tan vs Clark/Blair

They are playing in the world class exhibition at stratford upon avon on sunday. the match ups are as follows:

TH vs LCW
Koo/Tan vs Clark/Blair
This is indeed a World Class exhibition match for MS..
While Koo/Tan need to avende theri defeat to Clark/Blair in SC'07 @ Glascow.

keios, will u be attending the exibition match??
hope u can record the match for us.

Both Koo/Tan admitted this year AE'08 will not gona be as easy as last year. They preferred no to set any modest target.
Their confidence never hit low even though they suffered a surprise loss to the scatch Korean pair recently at HCH City.
According to Koo, their form is slightly higher at the moment than when they participating in MAS open early in this year.
" Defeat by the Korean Scatch pair is not a big deal, infact they were not our main target to beat"
Many fans just remembered how they suffer the embarassing loss against the korean makeshift pair, but they never realised that this MAS pair a actually able to overcome their haunting in the group game against the Taiwanese pair : Tsai/Hu who famously defeated them last year
Tan : We are about 20-30% less to be back on our best form as in the early of last year. In regards with Skills & Stamina, we are more better than last year. The main obstacles now is to dig out our winning formula .
He also admitted their mental is not stable which in many occasions coz them dearly to lose the match.

Rexy also did not set any target for them in this AE, but he remain confidence for them to have a strong showing in this back to back Euro SS.
They will once against face the Japanese pair Ikamoto/Sakeda who doomed them in last year WC.
Tan : We will well prepare this time to fight back and avenge the defeat.

Hafiz never throws his match... especially when he is playing his brother.

I was just making fun of his relaxed style... Sorry if that's offending.

Hafiz never throws his match... especially when he is playing his brother.

Isn't this thread orignated to have a discussion on the current AE08 draw:rolleyes::confused:

I was just making fun of his relaxed style... Sorry if that's offending.

i am not offended. he does have this laid back style on court. like he would rather be somewhere else. :)

I would appreciate if everyone sticks to the thread title so BCers can read relevant information about AE 2008 draw.