Thomas & Uber Cups Preliminaries Asia Zone 2008: Day 6 Final

[amaze]

I highly suspect Kien Kiat needs to shed a few pounds. He was uncharacteristically slow today and tend to fight over shots that naturally should be taken by Boon Heong.

I thought Boon Heong played ok today, as compared to yesterday, but Kien Kiat was below his par.

[leonardklh]

i think that mr tan boon heong need to regain his confidence like what he did it last year

[abedeng]

That TBH didn't play that well is one thing, even the understanding and rotation between the two is affected. A few times, both almost collided going for the same shot, and that included TBH gifting Park the matchpoint with loose clear.

Zakry actually played decent, but Fairuz spoiled things with either too many net errors or not holding his racquet ready for the next shot.

Park used his height to good use, a lot of difficult angles confused the MAS pair. Long time since I saw a player with glasses, last one was Dominic Soong in the 70s.

[badMania]

Zakry actually played decent, but Fairuz spoiled things with either too many net errors or not holding his racquet ready for the next shot.


I have always thought that Zakry is always the more stable of the two. Fuzzy ALWAYS has the tendency to make netting errors (like Lee Hyo Jung :o). Maybe he should be moved to the back eh?

[zqloy]

I have always thought that Zakry is always the more stable of the two. Fuzzy ALWAYS has the tendency to make netting errors (like Lee Hyo Jung :o). Maybe he should be moved to the back eh?

Fairuz has the mental strength of a mosquito. Thats why. :cool:

[hcyong]

He is really cute..Next time i will cheer for him..:p:p;)

The cutest member of the Korean team for me is undoubtedly, Hwang Hye Youn. I love it when I watch Hwang spar with Hirose. Last time I saw that, Hirose won.

[hcyong]

Fairuz has the mental strength of a mosquito. Thats why. :cool:

You obviously have not seen some of the mosquitoes I've encountered. They never give up.

[badMania]

Fairuz will make a perfect couple with Lee Hyo Jung....both are prone to making netting errors :rolleyes:

[hcyong]

Frustration is all shown on his face, he should seriously look at his own performance in AG06, what a big difference!

When he gives away an easy point, he thinks about all the criticisms that will be levelled at him when he loses. That's his weakness. He should forget about everything. The mind should be clear of the past and the future. Live for the present.

[zqloy]

You obviously have not seen some of the mosquitoes I've encountered. They never give up.

Lol... u got me there. Smaller than mosquitoes perhaps? :p

[badMania]

When he gives away an easy point, he thinks about all the criticisms that will be levelled at him when he loses. That's his weakness. He should forget about everything. The mind should be clear of the past and the future. Live for the present.

I think it's part of the learning curve for Koo/Tan, esp Tan. Tan must get over those defeat as they are simply part of the games...u win some, u lose some. There's no need to be overly affected by a particular loss.

[zqloy]

The cutest member of the Korean team for me is undoubtedly, Hwang Hye Youn. I love it when I watch Hwang spar with Hirose. Last time I saw that, Hirose won.

Hwang looks much fitter and stronger than the last i saw her play, in AG06 i think. The jap girl was like playing against the wall today. I see bright future in the korean girl.

[eaglehelang]

I have always thought that Zakry is always the more stable of the two. Fuzzy ALWAYS has the tendency to make netting errors (like Lee Hyo Jung :o). Maybe he should be moved to the back eh?
Errrr Fuzzy used to be the back guy, being taller than Zakry. Wasnt much effective there, so now Zakry become the aggressive guy. Actually Fuzzy was quite good at the net if he's not nervous, if not how they win over Fu/Cai in China Open.



I think it's part of the learning curve for Koo/Tan, esp Tan. Tan must get over those defeat as they are simply part of the games...u win some, u lose some. There's no need to be overly affected by a particular loss.

Easy for us to say, TBH is one who have to bear all the pressure & criticism. Look at what happened to LCW... After like 3 to 4 years as Msia no 1, only he can get used to the pressure. KKK kind of confidence is rare for Msia young players. The oldies, CTF/LWW still get nervous, after all these years..

Anyway, hope the resident sports psychologist can do TBH some good

[spchu]

If u see KKK and TBH, u wont believe they used to be no 1, much less no 3 now. they seem so amateurish, No coordination.....sad game...

[d65up2]

Why is Park SUng Hwan playing in doubles and Lee yong Dae in singles....I was laughing...but Park SUng Hwan managed to beat Fairuz eh

[george@chongwei]

haizz..dunno y kkk/tbh lose dy....

[george@chongwei]

actually i expect a whitewash from team MALAYSIA.

[Han]

Certainly it has taken the gloss off the victory. To put things into perspective, KOR put up such an embarrasing lineup and still able to win 2 pts...no wonder Ha Tae Kwon was beaming with smiles today :cool:

In a way, Korea didn't take the Final seriously so Malaysia should also have taken it likely even though with the loss of the MDs. The outcomes really didn't mean anything so it hard to judge the true potential for those players involved. Malaysia MDs certainly came out as losers but is not totally a bad thing, I always think Rexy should let his players exposed to more tournaments instead of stay home and prepare for the big one, nothing can replace experience from real tournament, nothing can simulate how your opponent can exploit players' weakness. So instead of staying home and train and hide your weakness, I rather our players go our and play and fix the problems as it comes along.
Don't forget, we judge the success basically on one tournament, the Olympic so put the players out there and see what problem we have and fix it before the Olympic else will be another 4 longer years to mourn.

[vching]

I logged in just to check the scores, and what a suprise I got!

Lee Yong Dae playing singles?

Park Sung Hwan playing doubles?

and PARK WINS???

Malaysia, buck up!

[vching]

I think Koo and Tan are losing on purpose so that they go into the thomas cup finals as underdogs :) :) :)

So they don't have any pressure, and so that other pairs dismiss them :D :D :D ...

[hcyong]

Easy for us to say, TBH is one who have to bear all the pressure & criticism. Look at what happened to LCW... After like 3 to 4 years as Msia no 1, only he can get used to the pressure. KKK kind of confidence is rare for Msia young players. The oldies, CTF/LWW still get nervous, after all these years..

Anyway, hope the resident sports psychologist can do TBH some good

Yeah, I think nothing beats experience. Maybe the people around him should not shield him against the public criticisms. Let him experience more of those and sooner or later, instead of being a troubling experience, it's a just a numbing experience. Same as all the accolades he will get. Instead of a glorifying experience, it should be a nuisance to him, like all those Hollywood stars under public glare.

[quycoctu]

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[ronnie14]

this one really funny ! :D:D:D:D


yup,agree wit dat tho bc zakri/fairiz r makin loadsa mistakes..aiyaa..

[ronnie14]

It's Nusa, Nusa, not BAM! BAM offered Hafiz to join BAM if Hafiz wants to leave Nusa Mahsuri.
Nahhh the headline wont be like that, it'll be "Star doubles crashed out to strach pair" or "Bergu emas sudah hilang sentuhan.":D with pictures of both KKK & TBH looking dejected.

lets see d headlines for 2day..hahha

[X Ball]

Yeah, I think nothing beats experience. Maybe the people around him should not shield him against the public criticisms. Let him experience more of those and sooner or later, instead of being a troubling experience, it's a just a numbing experience. Same as all the accolades he will get. Instead of a glorifying experience, it should be a nuisance to him, like all those Hollywood stars under public glare.


Yes don't shield them from anything. TBH was making a lot of mistakes -- his attacks seemed strong at times (I guess inconsistency). Somehow KKK-TBH seemed to play periods of good and bad badminton.

[X Ball]

yup,agree wit dat tho bc zakri/fairiz r makin loadsa mistakes..aiyaa..

They are not a strong team in my mind --- still a year or two away from being better. In the Olympics, we may still have to rely on CTF-LWW.

[abedeng]

Dangerous game, relying on the oldies. They are pretty good, but now very injury prone. In China, they were doing well until semis, when one of them got some injury.

Last Thomas Cup, we got derailed by WCH's injury. Had he not had the achilles trouble, I am sure we would have made the final at least, 'cos Hafiz instead of KBH would have been in 3rd singles and probably still be too good for Persson. WCH himself would have even chance against Jonassen.

Good balance matters. It's not about having the strongest singles and doubles, at most they can only contribute 2 pts. At minimum Teams have to have 4 of 5 matches where they are competitive to even think of winning the cup.

Koo's despair was clearly shown last night, wasn't too happy with the way they are playing and probably still not trusting TBH that much. It was like night and day, between this performance and their All-England winning form last year.

[X Ball]

Dangerous game, relying on the oldies. They are pretty good, but now very injury prone. In China, they were doing well until semis, when one of them got some injury.

Last Thomas Cup, we got derailed by WCH's injury. Had he not had the achilles trouble, I am sure we would have made the final at least, 'cos Hafiz instead of KBH would have been in 3rd singles and probably still be too good for Persson. WCH himself would have even chance against Jonassen.

Good balance matters. It's not about having the strongest singles and doubles, at most they can only contribute 2 pts. At minimum Teams have to have 4 of 5 matches where they are competitive to even think of winning the cup.

Koo's despair was clearly shown last night, wasn't too happy with the way they are playing and probably still not trusting TBH that much. It was like night and day, between this performance and their All-England winning form last year.

I agree with what you say about relying on the oldies. Unfortunately, I have watched Zakry-Fairuz playing for a long time now.

Although I have seen some improvement in Fairuz, I still see a lot of inconsistency in their play. I am coming to terms with the fact that it is something that you cannot rush -- I have learned that players don't just become good. It is a lot of hard work practicing to be perfect (or at least consistent). Hence, my comment that LWW-CTF is still be be relied on in the Olympics, not the two youngies (it is too soon to expect too much from them).

[eaglehelang]

Yeah, I think nothing beats experience. Maybe the people around him should not shield him against the public criticisms. Let him experience more of those and sooner or later, instead of being a troubling experience, it's a just a numbing experience. Same as all the accolades he will get. Instead of a glorifying experience, it should be a nuisance to him, like all those Hollywood stars under public glare.


And TBh gets more nervous if KKK is pissed off at him. So.....both of them need to work it out, hopefully improve some bf OG.
And hopefully TBH doesnt take 3 to 4 years to get used to the pressure & criticism. It's a matter of getting back the old TBH.

[abedeng]

Forgot to comment on the MAS girls performances.

Very heartwarming, to say the least. Much like the TC teams of 1986-1992 and 2002. Players from different camps (BAM and KLRC) combined very well together despite not much training together, and compensate for losses to key players. :D

Major credit to Julia Wong for keeping a clean slate. :D But it was still a scrappy match vs Kaori Mori. :p At least she and WMC have big gains in mental capacity at critical moments.

Youngsters need to have a steep learning curve, Lydia and Goh especially.

Not hoping much, but I expect them to holdout for a fighting performance in Jakarta.

[alfa-2]

LYD (and Hafiz) must be thinking: OMG, I really have to come out and play singles?!!

Actually i was rather hoping that MAS will tie with Korea at 2-2 to watch the 3rd MS. For LYD playing MS and to see how Hafiz is doing after all the circus show between him, Nusa, KLRC, NSC and BAM.

[alfa-2]

Let's pray tomorrow headline is not rexy going to resign again.If they keep on like this,i don't know how many times this will happen.:(:(

Maybe Rexy has already pre recorded for his interview later with the press, stating of his resignation.........:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Few versions in standby mode too, for AE, for OG.......:D:D:D:D:D:D

[X Ball]

Actually i was rather hoping that MAS will tie with Korea at 2-2 to watch the 3rd MS. For LYD playing MS and to see how Hafiz is doing after all the circus show between him, Nusa, KLRC, NSC and BAM.

Hard to gauge as LYD is not a singles player - showed some strong smashes in the 1st but one could see he was running out of steam at the end.

[azabaz_ipoh]

:( i stayed up till 3 am this morning to watch the delayed telecast of the thomas cup match between malaysia and korea. i must say korea was the real winner in that match. only LCW had no problem in his match.

KKK/TBH was all over the place. shots keep hitting the net. defense seems a bit weak. they were affected by the bad shots, unforced errors. and all this against a scratch pair. not saying that korea was weak because they have very good players who are capable of playing with different partners and all. but really, it was a big disappointment to me.

next up, WCH. he won straight sets but not convincingly. the second set showed the youngster giving a good fight. korea must be happy that they have a very promising young player.

second men's double. again. huge disappointment. and more embarassing against a scratch pair that includes one singles player. what a shocker. both zakry and fairuz was not calm enough to play their game and got pushed into making mistakes and giving easy points to the korea. defeat in straight sets was humiliating especially against a pair that does not even have a ranking.

hafiz might have clinched the winner but he was playing like he was training. understandably he might have thought lee young dae was easy meat but the result showed that lee gave a good fight too. hafiz might have not played to the best of his ability but i see him play like that against other well known player too. so if that is true, that is not very promising indeed when we come up against the likes of indonesia and china.

korea was indeed the winner since :

1. they prove that when push comes to shove, they could rely on all their players (in case of injury or anything) to go against higher ranking players such was the case in the malaysia vs korea match. and if they had put their best singles in play, malaysia might have lost that match.

2. they get to keep the level of their strength a secret since they did not field the best combo against malaysia. china and indonesia will be left guessing a bit and frankly korea have been known to do very well in team events due to their high team spirit. and showing that even an understrength combo could give malaysia a good fight, they are saying that they can be a lot stronger than that.

i really hope it was a strategy of some sort by the malaysian camp to show weakness so that we will be underestimated but somehow looking at the players' faces yesterday, the panic and the frustration looks so real. boon heong was not even smiling in the pictures after the matches ended. :( if this is the case, thomas cup is as good as out of our hands. :o:(

[alfa-2]

I can take those. What I can't take is another round of bashing by Pemuda.

It seems that it's not just me that is waiting for Pemuda to take action.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D MOOOOORE to come from him for sure, from Mr. anti-blonde/rings/accessories/KKK. :D:D:D:D:D:D

[hcyong]

And TBh gets more nervous if KKK is pissed off at him. So.....both of them need to work it out, hopefully improve some bf OG.
And hopefully TBH doesnt take 3 to 4 years to get used to the pressure & criticism. It's a matter of getting back the old TBH.

Even if the whole world is against you, your partner should be at your side. Because win or lose, you do it together. This is what KKK must learn. KKK has some good qualities. He makes mistakes but he forgets about it before the next rally begins. This forgetfulness is very useful. He should try to impart this on TBH.

[hcyong]

From the trophy presentation photo (thanks to whoever posted it), I notice that the only one not enjoying himself is TBH. That is part of his weak-mindedness. Enjoy the present. Do the best for the present. The past cannot be reclaimed. And the future will come no matter how you feel now. Also, Rexy is not there. Maybe only the chief coaches are present.

[alfa-2]

Oh my goodness :eek:

I really thought that MAS would thrash KOR 3-0....now...it does appear that KOR would have won it if they put Lee Hyun Il as second singles and Shon Sheung Mo as third singles.

Lee Yong Dae must be wondering...why the heck do I have to play now...I thought I have a chance to be rested today with such a lineup :eek:?

Maybe it's Rexy that wants to see LYD in action in the MS...........:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[alfa-2]

then...Choong/Lee must be saying.....'Heng-ah......not chosen to play'.....:D:D:D

while the dwarf duo said,"Sui Xiao lo............":D:D:D:D:D:D

[hcyong]

I can't name all the Korean & Japanese girls in the photo (see bottom http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=52597&page=29). Can someone fill in the blanks or correct me?

KOR:
(top left to right) Coach, Lee Kyung Won, Lee Yun Hwa?, Hwang Hye Youn, Jun Jae Youn
(bottom) Coach, ... (Ha Jung Eun, Kim Min Jung, who else)? can't tell one from another, Lee Hyo Jung

JPN:
(top left to right) Coach, Park Joo Bong, Miyuki Maeda, Yu Hirayama, Eriko Hirose, ?? (singles or player?)
(bottom) Kaori Mori, Aki Akao or Tomomi Matsuda?, AA or TM?, Suetsuna, Reiko Shiota, Kumiko Ogura

[abedeng]

Even if the whole world is against you, your partner should be at your side. Because win or lose, you do it together. This is what KKK must learn. KKK has some good qualities. He makes mistakes but he forgets about it before the next rally begins. This forgetfulness is very useful. He should try to impart this on TBH.

Agree with that wholeheartedly, that's the reason why MAS MD have never really retained and improved the standards set by Razif/Jalani Sidek. Not Cheah/Soo, Cheah/Yap, CTF/LWW, and even Koo/Tan. These go beyond playing and combination skills.

Conversely, during their playing days, Razif and Jalani were not always on speaking terms out of court. But they were always as one in training and on court.

[Sealman]

The cutest member of the Korean team for me is undoubtedly, Hwang Hye Youn. I love it when I watch Hwang spar with Hirose. Last time I saw that, Hirose won.

yes agreed. Hwang Hye Youn is very kawaii :D

[samuel882]

MAS seems to be never learnt from the past mistakes, not even a great doubles coach as RExy can do anything from that...
OngBT/SooBK to Cheah SK/SooBK & Cheah/YapKh all never really gets together among themselves.
This suppose to be a good lesson, sad to see Koo/Tan following their footsteps
Be realistics.. MAS will NEVER WON'T anything BIG with this kinda partnership

[X Ball]

From the trophy presentation photo (thanks to whoever posted it), I notice that the only one not enjoying himself is TBH. That is part of his weak-mindedness. Enjoy the present. Do the best for the present. The past cannot be reclaimed. And the future will come no matter how you feel now. Also, Rexy is not there. Maybe only the chief coaches are present.

Well said. TBH probably feels like he let people down. But he has to learn to move on quickly and work even harder to correct his mistakes (easier said than done sometimes) -- no use lamenting on his mistakes coz it may affect his confidence -- the thing I like about Zakry-Fairuz is their forgiveness of each other (always doing a high/low five, augurs well for their togetherness even though their skills need to improve).

[alfa-2]

Hafiz : LYD long services..are all 3/4 court...very easy to smash..

LYD:"I have never realized the court was so big that i have to run that much.............":D:D:D:D:D

[george@chongwei]

so here is the the qualified teams for the Final phase of the Thomas and UBer Cups, after the Asia qualifying Zone :

2008 Asia Uber Cup Qualifiers Result:

1st Korea
2nd Japan
3rd Malaysia
4th Hong Kong China

2008 Asia Thomas Cup Qualifiers Result:

1st Malaysia
2nd Korea
3rd Japan
4th Thailand

[alfa-2]

Look out for tomorrow's headline in the Star: "Born-again Hafiz carries Malaysia pride". It then goes on with Hafiz saying "I would like to thank BAM for giving their blessings to my move to KLRC...bla bla bla". :D

OR............I wana thank all the Mds for giving me that chance to play 3rd MS in the Final............thanks to Korean team for LYD as my opponent..........:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[alfa-2]

I think one is losing confidence and the other one is over confident...:(:(

so i guess they are having confidence issues eh? :p:p:p:p haiya.........why like that one?

[azabaz_ipoh]

LYD:"I have never realized the court was so big that i have to run that much.............":D:D:D:D:D

hahahaha, yeah. sometimes after a clear he will move to one side of the court to defend. like when he is playing doubles. and hafiz would just smash to the side he left open. it is hard to switch from singles to doubles and vice versa. easier for a singles player to go to doubles though. less area to cover.


Well said. TBH probably feels like he let people down. But he has to learn to move on quickly and work even harder to correct his mistakes (easier said than done sometimes) -- no use lamenting on his mistakes coz it may affect his confidence -- the thing I like about Zakry-Fairuz is their forgiveness of each other (always doing a high/low five, augurs well for their togetherness even though their skills need to improve).

yeah, he has high expectation on himself knowing what he and KKK could achieve. all the bad plays are making them lose their confidence. more prove of our players weak mental. i agree with abedeng that they lack the togetherness of razif/jailani or even the way they were before in the all england.

[alfa-2]

Agree with that wholeheartedly, that's the reason why MAS MD have never really retained and improved the standards set by Razif/Jalani Sidek. Not Cheah/Soo, Cheah/Yap, CTF/LWW, and even Koo/Tan. These go beyond playing and combination skills.

Conversely, during their playing days, Razif and Jalani were not always on speaking terms out of court. But they were always as one in training and on court.

HELLO, they are brothers la........have the same father. how to compare that? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D Maybe you should set others like PJB/KMS, CW/TG as example?

[alfa-2]

Well said. TBH probably feels like he let people down. But he has to learn to move on quickly and work even harder to correct his mistakes (easier said than done sometimes) -- no use lamenting on his mistakes coz it may affect his confidence -- the thing I like about Zakry-Fairuz is their forgiveness of each other (always doing a high/low five, augurs well for their togetherness even though their skills need to improve).

it's kinda stupid actually to me for keep on doing that hi-five............brainless act.:cool: especially doing that after the opponent do a smash/dunk in front of the net. BRAINLESS............

[hcyong]

it's kinda stupid actually to me for keep on doing that hi-five............brainless act.:cool: especially doing that after the opponent do a smash/dunk in front of the net. BRAINLESS............

It's got no relation to the brain. Even though it seems childish and awkward to me, at least they maintain the team spirit even when losing.

[azabaz_ipoh]

HELLO, they are brothers la........have the same father. how to compare that? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D Maybe you should set others like PJB/KMS, CW/TG as example?

brothers quarrel too. they are not really tight brothers. razif was kinda daddy's favourite. like abedeng said, sometimes they were not even on talking terms with each other outside the court but inside, they put all that behind and concentrate on the match. :p;):D

[alfa-2]

It's got no relation to the brain. Even though it seems childish and awkward to me, at least they maintain the team spirit even when losing.

for me it's very embarrassing even im just a supporter only........would you have done that if it was you, after your opponent made a dunk on your court? I dont think so........ I would have to buy myself a full face helmet before i do that, make sure noone recognize me. :D:D:D:D

CHILDISH/AWKWARD ACT = BRAINLESS ppl DO IT.

[abedeng]

HELLO, they are brothers la........have the same father. how to compare that? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D Maybe you should set others like PJB/KMS, CW/TG as example?

We are not comparing brothers, we are comparing relationships on court.
Otherwise, BAM can only create pairs out of siblings ...... :D

Though maybe u r right, their father was a strict taskmaster. :eek: On court, they had to behave, or else ....... :p

Also, since this is about issues with MAS pairs, lets take another MAS pair as the benchmark.

[hcyong]

for me it's very embarrassing even im just a supporter only........would you have done that if it was you, after your opponent made a dunk on your court? I dont think so........ I would have to buy myself a full face helmet before i do that, make sure noone recognize me. :D:D:D:D

CHILDISH/AWKWARD ACT = BRAINLESS ppl DO IT.

If it was me, I wouldn't have done it. But I don't have any problems, if other people willingly do it. It's harmless. You may say it's brainless to do it, others can say it's brainless to be embarassed by it.

Not to care what others think about what you do, that's a very mature thing to do. (TBH should also learn not to care about what others think.)

[alfa-2]

If it was me, I wouldn't have done it. But I don't have any problems, if other people willingly do it. It's harmless. You may say it's brainless to do it, others can say it's brainless to be embarassed by it.

Not to care what others think about what you do, that's a very mature thing to do. (TBH should also learn not to care about what others think.)

Doing a HIGH FIVE when getting a DUNK from the opponent is like 2 robbers robbed a bank, and doing a HIGH FIVE when getting CAUGHT by the police. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

If you think that's a BRAINY ACT, i dont have much to say.

and why am i embarrased is because I'm from the same village as the robbers. (countryman) :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[badMania]

boon heong was not even smiling in the pictures after the matches ended.

I noticed that too :cool:

The unpredictable nature of Team KOR was one reason why they managed to win the Sudirman Cup as recently as 2003.

[cooler]

By K.M. Boopathy

25 February, 2008

MALAYSIA'S Thomas Cup shuttlers narrowly avoided an embarrassing defeat to a depleted South Korean side to win the Asian zone qualifiers while the women shuttlers secured an automatic Uber Cup spot when they beat Hong Kong 3-0 in the third place play-off in Ho Chi Minh City yesterday. South Korea, who have already qualified for the final with Malaysia, rested their top two singles players Park Sung Hwan and Lee Hyun Il and fielded two scratch pairs in the team line-up.

However, Malaysia lost both doubles matches but the singles shuttlers stayed calm to deliver a 3-2 win.

Lee Chong Wei was in good form when he defeated Athens Olympics silver medallist Shon Seung Mo 21-8, 21-11 in 25 minutes.

Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong were supposed to dominate scratch pair Jung Jae Sung-Lee Jae Jin but instead, fell to an unexpected 16-21, 21-17, 21-19 defeat in 29 minutes.

Wong Choong Hann put Malaysia ahead again when he beat Lee Cheol Ho 21-6, 21-17 in 31 minutes and Zakry Latif-Fairuzizuan Tazari were expected to wrap up the tie.

Up against Hwang Ji Man and Sung Hwan, who were playing in the doubles for the first time in almost five years, the Malaysians were shocked 21-19, 21-18 by the Koreans.

Hafiz Hashim then secured a 21-17, 21-10 win over Korea's No 1 doubles player Lee Yong Dae to bail Malaysia out.

[pjswift]

In a way, Korea didn't take the Final seriously so Malaysia should also have taken it likely even though with the loss of the MDs. The outcomes really didn't mean anything so it hard to judge the true potential for those players involved. Malaysia MDs certainly came out as losers but is not totally a bad thing, I always think Rexy should let his players exposed to more tournaments instead of stay home and prepare for the big one, nothing can replace experience from real tournament, nothing can simulate how your opponent can exploit players' weakness. So instead of staying home and train and hide your weakness, I rather our players go our and play and fix the problems as it comes along.
Don't forget, we judge the success basically on one tournament, the Olympic so put the players out there and see what problem we have and fix it before the Olympic else will be another 4 longer years to mourn.
Very well said.
Problem is MAS is becoming like CHN, with a must-win attitude.Better be like KOR,know when to take it easy and to experiment.
Actually, except for ctf/lww, the other MAS MDs have still much to go in terms of experience.They need to know in how many ways they can lose and learn ,then win more from there.
Experience is the greatest teacher to the keenest learner.
Rexy would do well to 1)not have expectations,2)do away with the MAS MD rankings in his mind and 3)field ALL his senior MDs(except ctf/lww maybe to minimise injury) to as many tournaments as possible.They are still at the stage when they'll continue to surprise in all ways. In fact , with the NSS, surprise or upsets have become the norm.

[champion8]

its is never easy to be a player. I was told if u win u are a hero but if u loses u are a Zero.

When u win everybody surround u and when u loses u cries alone. I am sure when TBH/KKK lost they feel bad... so do Zakry/Fairus. I am sure Lydia also find it difficult to get over it.But this is reality and they have to face it with a brave face and come back stronger.There is merit and pain being a public figure.
Mental development is important and i feel that most player needs it.We have to encourage them and find a solution to their problem.

[Hitman71]

Very well said.
Problem is MAS is becoming like CHN, with a must-win attitude.Better be like KOR,know when to take it easy and to experiment.
Actually, except for ctf/lww, the other MAS MDs have still much to go in terms of experience.They need to know in how many ways they can lose and learn ,then win more from there.
Experience is the greatest teacher to the keenest learner.
Rexy would do well to 1)not have expectations,2)do away with the MAS MD rankings in his mind and 3)field ALL his senior MDs(except ctf/lww maybe to minimise injury) to as many tournaments as possible.They are still at the stage when they'll continue to surprise in all ways. In fact , with the NSS, surprise or upsets have become the norm.


Maybe the problem with the MD is that they played exactly like they were told. They don't dare to do any changes coz then they will be scolded. This make their game easier to predict and any good MD can beat them with the right tactic and preparations. The Korea MD team seems like they know exactly what they are doing and seems to anticipate correctly most of the time, while Mas MD seems clueless ....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

But maybe they were told not to show their opponents everything they got. (There was a time when kor was leading 13-3, and ZL/FT suddenly got 9 points straight to make it 13-12.)

So lets wait and see how they perform in the AE.

[CLELY]

Yeah, line-up player of both MAS and KOR Thomas teams was unbalance yesterday but the result wasn't describe it when that final day must be decided by last match.

MAS overcame KOR with unconvincing mode, how come two MAS MD pairs as point contributor lost to KOR 'abnormal' pairs, big disappointment. Mental crisis or overconfidence effect?!

From this preliminary stage, definitely KOR is really dangerous dark horse who can deny any fave Thomas team to win the trophy including INA and title-holder CHN.

Just flashback to Doha Asian Games December/06 Men's Team event, KOR had created upset at that time to dump seeding team MAS 3-1 at semifinal and they even almost won over giant CHN in finale, lost 2-3. Any surprise again from the Ginseng squad in upcoming May Final?

[pjswift]

What's this upset about MAS performance? MAS still emerge champions, right?
What 's so inferior about a scratch pair? Scratch pairs of decent skills have an advantage over top seeded pairs because they know all about their opponents while their better ranked opponents will take at least one game to know how they play ,then another game to test out winning tactics by which time, with the NSS, the match would be over.
Remember koo/tan won their titles with the benefit of being a scratch pair?
There's no shame in Fuzzy (referring to Fairuz/zakry) losing. PSH showed that one MS is equivalent to one MD so together with Hwang, that's 3 players on the KOR side! 2 players against effectively 3? No chance.
In fact, PSH's body language was so funny.He was like finding the court too small, trying to move to MS base at the centre, willing Hwang to orbit around him like a satellite...When he had moved to MD base once and a shot came to him, he was like,surprise! 'Oh, here comes the shuttle' He returned once, twice,thrice and won the point.'Wah , MD's so easy to play, no need to run all over court when you have MS experience.Some more can wear specs for fun.'(He removed that non-badminton weapon right after the match)
Come to think of it...would PSH wear specs to play LD in AE08? That might not be a bad idea,since judging from LD's funny request in HK07,anything plastic can deflect his focus!)

[X Ball]

I am glad that KKK-TBH and Zakry-Fairuz lost before the AE. It gives them something to think about.

For KKK-TBH, it was a close match against a top pair - it wasn't a thrashing. So, all they need, maybe, is to fine-tune it with Rexy further before the AE. They did show brilliance at times. So I am still very hopeful they will turn around.

I cannot say too much for Zakry-Fairuz -- it will be harder for them. There is a lot of indecision in their play, as if they are still learning to play together. Maybe next year.

[Wong8Egg]

I just went to tournamentsoftware.com minutes ago to find out the result of the final, and for a min I thought they made a mistake on the names that they confused LYD's name with PSH. But guess what, I am wrong. PSH played double against 3rd Mas's MD and WON! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Now if somebody captured this match by any chance then please have it upload and share. Also the match between Yoyo and LYD. It must be very interesting to see single player to play double and vise versa.

I think HTK(Korea's coach) never expected PSH and LYD get to play so he just filled the names randomly... LOL

Surprise.

[Hitman71]

I just went to tournamentsoftware.com minutes ago to find out the result of the final, and for a min I thought they made a mistake on the names that they confused LYD's name with PSH. But guess what, I am wrong. PSH played double against 3rd Mas's MD and WON! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Now if somebody captured this match by any chance then please have it upload and share. Also the match between Yoyo and LYD. It must be very interesting to see single player to play double and vise versa.

I think HTK(Korea's coach) never expected PSH and LYD get to play so he just filled the names randomly... LOL

Surprise.


HH vs LYD :D :D :D,.... Its just funny to watch LYD playing MS. :D :D
Frankly, I think that LYD really doesn't expect him to play the 3rd MS. hahahaha and PSH playing MD wearing spec, LOL and win :D :D

[yyclub]

I think it is humiliation for Malaysia MD. Overall result Malaysia wins but what has gone through the top pair and 3rd pair? Badminton is a knockout game how can you play good in a game a lose to some new form pair the next game?

[hcyong]

Doing a HIGH FIVE when getting a DUNK from the opponent is like 2 robbers robbed a bank, and doing a HIGH FIVE when getting CAUGHT by the police. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

If you think that's a BRAINY ACT, i dont have much to say.

and why am i embarrased is because I'm from the same village as the robbers. (countryman) :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Why not? Not the celebration sort of high five. More like "We tried and we lost. High five."

Just because an act is not brainless does not mean it is brainy.

Every village has an idiot (metaphorically, but I think it has to be true). You should not be embarrased just because your village has one.

Just look at this forum and see the number of embarrasments your countrymen can give you. For me, no matter what, they are still my countrymen. I may not agree with some of them, but I don't feel embarrased by them also. If they don't commit crime, just let them be.

[champion8]

Why not? Not the celebration sort of high five. More like "We tried and we lost. High five."

Just because an act is not brainless does not mean it is brainy.

Every village has an idiot (metaphorically, but I think it has to be true). You should not be embarrased just because your village has one.

Just look at this forum and see the number of embarrasments your countrymen can give you. For me, no matter what, they are still my countrymen. I may not agree with some of them, but I don't feel embarrased by them also. If they don't commit crime, just let them be.

yup agreed with u. I for one wish that there are more moral support. I believe they have all tried.

[hcyong]

PSH showed that one MS is equivalent to one MD so together with Hwang, that's 3 players on the KOR side! 2 players against effectively 3? No chance.


Luckily they didn't pair PSH with LHI. Even KKK/TBH would look like idiots :)

LCW/LD v TH/PG - who would win? :)

Other than that, I agree with you. People here analyse too much on a tie that is not important. KKK/TBH were only 2 points away from making it 3-0 for MAS. And KOR doubles are always strong, scratch or not.

The only worrying thing for me is TBH. He needs to develop a thick skin.

[Silencer]

can any1 upload the match of HH vs LYD? pls in youtube?

[Dreamzz]

i would love to see all the matches, i enjoy watching unorthodox games.

[alfa-2]

Why not? Not the celebration sort of high five. More like "We tried and we lost. High five."

Just because an act is not brainless does not mean it is brainy.

Every village has an idiot (metaphorically, but I think it has to be true). You should not be embarrased just because your village has one.

Just look at this forum and see the number of embarrasments your countrymen can give you. For me, no matter what, they are still my countrymen. I may not agree with some of them, but I don't feel embarrased by them also. If they don't commit crime, just let them be.


yup agreed with u. I for one wish that there are more moral support. I believe they have all tried.

I hope you guys dont misinterpret my embarrassment for the loss of both MD to lower ranked pairs, even PSH. It's a game, there will always winner or loser.

It's that gesture (doing high five even after losing that point terribly) which is sometimes very inappropriate. They can give a pat on the butt with the racquet (i've always do that) to signal their partner that it's ok to make that mistakes or apology accepted.

High Five is meant to celebrate something right? for eg when winning a meaningful long rally or after winning the match.

Hcyong, back to that question, if you think that it's right and not embarrassing to give a "high five" after getting a dunk from the opponent, why wouldn't you do that? (i ask you that question b4 and u said u won't do it, right?)

I have watched a game at a pub sometime ago where the dwarf duo did the same thing (CO final im not mistaken)..........When i saw that, i felt very weird while one gentlemen next to my table made a look on his face when he saw that "high five" (that type of face expression as if he had seen a guy cleaning his nose with his finger on public place, "eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwww"). BRAINLESS ACT............:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[eaglehelang]

can any1 upload the match of HH vs LYD? pls in youtube?

Aerotus already uploaded in Badminton Tournament Sharing thread.



The only worrying thing for me is TBH. He needs to develop a thick skin.

Yup.

[george@chongwei]

since when park sung hwan wears spectacles??
i think he forgot to bring contact lens to vietnam or forgot to bring to the stadium and leave it in the hotel,..

[george@chongwei]

wah, pSH sits on a diferrent plane with some of his teamates when he flew to German yesterday.

[hcyong]

Hcyong, back to that question, if you think that it's right and not embarrassing to give a "high five" after getting a dunk from the opponent, why wouldn't you do that? (i ask you that question b4 and u said u won't do it, right?)

I have watched a game at a pub sometime ago where the dwarf duo did the same thing (CO final im not mistaken)..........When i saw that, i felt very weird while one gentlemen next to my table made a look on his face when he saw that "high five" (that type of face expression as if he had seen a guy cleaning his nose with his finger on public place, "eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwww"). BRAINLESS ACT............:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Do you do every single thing that you think is right and not embarrassing? There are many ways to do something and none of them is wrong nor embarrassing, but people just tend to do the one thing that they usually do.

In fact, calling other people brainless is not the right thing to do.

[alfa-2]

It's got no relation to the brain. Even though it seems childish and awkward to me, at least they maintain the team spirit even when losing.

but u did say it's childish and awkward, right? if it's my brother tat did something childish or awkward in the TV, i will feel embarrassed. is that simple enough to understand? I hope this is not too confusing for you to comprehend since you seemed like a smart man.

my bad on that part to say it's brainless.......:o but i still think that it is.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D sorry........

[robin7]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d22/baoloc01/Thomas-Uber%20Cups%20preliminaries%202008/IMG_0049.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d22/baoloc01/Thomas-Uber%20Cups%20preliminaries%202008/IMG_0048.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d22/baoloc01/Thomas-Uber%20Cups%20preliminaries%202008/IMG_0044.jpg

CTF is busy chatting with HTK.:)

[alfa-2]

hcyong, pls read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_five

some quote from that page, "Amongst baseball fans, Glenn Burke is recognized as the player who invented the high five. In 1977 he ran out onto the field to congratulate his Los Angeles Dodgers teammate Dusty Baker for hitting a home run in the last game of the regular season. His celebration has since been imitated by athletes and fans in virtually every sport around the world. The second recorded "high five" came moments later when Baker returned the favor in celebration of Burke's first major league home run."

[koo_fan]

but u did say it's childish and awkward, right? if it's my brother tat did something childish or awkward in the TV, i will feel embarrassed. is that simple enough to understand? I hope this is not too confusing for you to comprehend since you seemed like a smart man.

my bad on that part to say it's brainless.......:o but i still think that it is.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D sorry........
Nothing wrong with being childish n awkward when we need to..debate on this.

the issue is about high five.isnt it??thats childish n awkward too.

[koo_fan]

CTF is busy chatting with HTK.:)
Luckily kkk didnt get occupied with his 'brad pitt' hairstyle.

[alfa-2]

Nothing wrong with being childish n awkward when we need to..debate on this.

the issue is about high five.isnt it??thats childish n awkward too.

so it's childish and awkward to talk about some players who are acting childish and awkward on court? are you saying that, sis? :D:D:D:D:D:D

[koo_fan]

wah, pSH sits on a diferrent plane with some of his teamates when he flew to German yesterday.
If kkk did that,surely a lot of damnations will be post.

[alfa-2]

Koo_fan, another definition from Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_five

definition of high/low-five
A high five is a celebratory gesture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesture) made by two people, each raising one hand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand) to slap the raised hand of the other — usually meant to communicate mutual satisfaction to spectators or to extend congratulations from one person to another. The arms are usually extended into the air to form the "high" part, and the five fingers of each hand meet, making the "five".

[koo_fan]

so it's childish and awkward to talk about some players who are acting childish and awkward on court? are you saying that, sis? :D:D:D:D:D:D
yes.

u do know that it is awkward n childish,why do u have talk about it then?
Only those who are related with an issue will say something about that issue.

n good to remember,i've never regard doing high five when losing is an awkward n childish.instead,it shows maturity.

[alfa-2]

yes.

u do know that it is awkward n childish,why do u have talk about it then?
Only those who are related with an issue will say something about that issue.

n good to remember,i've never regard doing high five when losing is an awkward n childish.instead,it shows maturity.

it's as simple as you don't congratulate the family members on the funeral of their loved ones. it's about doing the right thing at the right time. every human gestures have their own special meaning as i have stated in my previous post where i have attached the definition of it.:D:D:D:D

and i dont think it's childish or awkward to state something that i felt is not right to do. instead ignoring them, is kinda...........

[koo_fan]

it's as simple as you don't congratulate the family members on the funeral of their loved ones. it's about doing the right thing at the right time. every human gestures have their own special meaning as i have stated in my previous post where i have attached the definition of it.:D:D:D:D

and i dont think it's childish or awkward to state something that i felt is not right to do. instead ignoring them, is kinda...........
First of all,congratulate at a funeral is totally unacceptable.It is not related here.

high five is a symbol of appreciation.yes.technically generally.literally.
But in zakry-fairuz case,try to understand that they are trying to say
'its ok brother.we'll do better next time'
'malaysians,this is not the end of the journey.we are still here.fight for our nation'

Even if its not,why do we have to be prejudice?

[alfa-2]

Like when i joined a company, the boss will shake my hand as a gesture of welcoming me to the big family, but when i got sacked when i did something TERRIBLY wrong, i dont think the boss will shake my hand as it is the wrong gesture to do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handshake
The handshake is initiated when the two hands touch, immediately. Its purpose is to convey trust, balance, and equality.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handshake#_note-GQ)

[alfa-2]

I rest my case.................

[koo_fan]

I rest my case.................
Alright,Thats a wrap...
Peace everyone.

[loyalfans]

Hi mates,

Stay cool, give some faith to the players. They will come back strongly.

This is NO big upset!

:):):):):)

[eaglehelang]

Like when i joined a company, the boss will shake my hand as a gesture of welcoming me to the big family, but when i got sacked when i did something TERRIBLY wrong, i dont think the boss will shake my hand as it is the wrong gesture to do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handshake
The handshake is initiated when the two hands touch, immediately. Its purpose is to convey trust, balance, and equality.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handshake#_note-GQ)

Handshake for leaving the company is also to say with a finality "Good bye, good riddance" or "Wish you all the best swhere else but not here".

As for Fuzzy, you may think it's childish, but Rexy didnt ask them not to do it. They normally do that bf the start of every rally, as encouragement to each other "We are one, we'll do good this next rally."

[xsakurax]

From The Star:

Men’s doubles losses mar Malaysia’s campaign in qualifiers
By RAJES PAUL

PETALING JAYA: It would have been a perfect outing for Malaysia in the Thomas-Uber Cup qualifying tournament if not for the minor setback in the men’s doubles on the final day of action in Ho Chi Minh City on Sunday.
Malaysia lived up to their promise when the men’s team confirmed their place in the Finals, which will be held in Jakarta from May 11-19, as the Asian qualifiers champions.
The women too did their part by finishing as one of the top three teams to win automatic berths for the Finals. Malaysia finished third in the qualifiers.
But the men’s doubles players’ inability to overcome South Korea’s strategy stole the headlines. After all, the premier world team competition is all about plotting the right strategies.
On Sunday, Malaysia took on a weakened South Korean team and rode on the strength of their men’s singles players to score a 3-2 win in the final.
The defeats of world No. 3 Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong and Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif to the scratch combinations of Lee Jae-jin-Jung Jae-sung and Park Sung-hwan-Hwang Ji-man spoiled Malaysia’s hopes of keeping a clean slate in the qualifiers.
It looked as though the South Koreans made full use of the opportunity to try out different combinations while Malaysia stuck to their same old pairings in a bid to collect Olympic ranking points.
National chief coach Yap Kim Hock admitted that the men’s doubles were caught with their pants down against the South Koreans.
“Our players have the potential to beat anyone in the world and lose to anyone as well. We are still working on helping our players to be more consistent,” said Kim Hock in a telephone interview from Ho Chi Minh City before leaving for home yesterday.
“The South Koreans fielded fresh faces for the final tie (the scratch combinations) while we fielded the same players. It should not have caught our players by surprise. In fact, our players did not play up to the mark but we will be more than prepared for the Finals.
“Now, these players will go back home and focus their preparation on the All-England and Swiss Open (in March).”
However, it was a different story for Malaysia as far as team strategy was concerned in the Uber Cup. They could even afford to try out different line-ups to confuse their opponents.
In the third place playoff against Hong Kong, Malaysia could afford to rest national No. 1 Wong Mew Choo and still seal the tie with a 3-0 win.
Said Mew Choo: “In the past, it was easy for our opponents to read the team line-up. Now, we can change and swap players and still give our opponents a tough time. It speaks well about the depth of the Malaysian women’s team.”
Meanwhile, the 12-man and 12-woman cast for the Thomas and Uber Cup Finals have been completed, except for one slot in the women’s team event, after the end of the qualifiers in the Asian, European, Pan-American, African and Oceania zones.
The Badminton World Federation (BWF) will use the world rankings on Feb 29 to determine whether Hong Kong or Scotland get to go to the Finals based on a new ruling in the Uber Cup. Both are the fourth-ranked teams in the Asian and European qualifiers and the team with better overall team rankings will get to go.
As usual, the five teams set to challenge for honours in the Thomas Cup will be Malaysia, South Korea, Denmark, defending champions China and host Indonesia.
China and Indonesia were exempted from the qualifiers. In the Uber Cup, the title is as good as defending champions China’s.

[xsakurax]

This one from nst :

NST Online (http://www.nst.com.my/NST/index_html) » <A class=blu href="http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Section/index_html?mysec=Sport" target=_self>Sport
2008/02/26

Badminton: Situation critical for national pairs

By : K.M. Boopathy (boopathy@nstp.com.my)


http://www.nst.com.my/Tuesday/Sport/2169551/insidepix1
Koo Kien Keat (rear) and Tan Boon Heong should not underestimate unknown pairs.

THE inconsistency of Malaysia's doubles pairs was yet again blatantly exposed, and alarmingly this time by South Korean scratch pairs, in the final of the Thomas Cup Asian Zone qualifying round in Ho Chi Minh City on Sunday.
Malaysia may have emerged champions but Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong, if they hope to be a power in the Beijing Olympics, and World No 14 Zakry Latiff-Fairuzizuan Tazari, if they are harbouring any hopes of making it to Beijing, had better pull up their socks quickly.

Malaysia eventually won the tie 3-2 but this was after Lee Chong Wei, Wong Choong Hann and Hafiz Hashim capitalised on Korea's weak singles line-up.

Kien Keat-Boon Heong have, on numerous occasions, shown their tendency to lose to lesser-known opponents and it happened again on Sunday when they lost to Jung Jae Sung-Lee Jae Jin in three games.

The Malaysian pair must stop the habit of treating unestablished pairs lightly, failing which they might end up paying a heavy price in major events.
Kien Keat-Boon Heong will start the defence of their All England title in Birmingham a week from today and their path could be strewn with land mines starting with Japan's unpredictable Shuichi Sakamoto-Shintaro Ikeda, who dumped the Malaysian pair from the World Championships in Kuala Lumpur last year.

But what is more alarming is that Kien Keat-Boon Heong's pathetic habit could blow any chance Malaysia has of winning gold in the Olympics, and national doubles coach Rexy Mainaky has to start drilling into his top pair to stop the showboating and get serious.

As for Zakry-Fairuz, they looked more like victims of over-confidence against Hwang Ji Man and Park Sung Hwan and paid dearly when they took Sung Hwan, more a singles player, lightly.

Lack of focus and commitment have bugged the pair, especially Fairuz, and if they don't buck-up, their chances of qualifying for Beijing could go up in smoke.

No one knows for sure, but if there is problem persisting in the Malaysian camp, the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) and head coach Yap Kim Hock must act fast to douse it as the Olympics are only five months away.

On a happier note, the women - except for the semi-final loss to Japan - put in some polished displays and qualified for the Uber Cup finals on merit when they finished third.

BAM must continue exposing the women and who knows, they could surprise with a semi-final showing in the Uber Cup in Jakarta in May

[badMania]

LOL...with nothing worth discussing here, its interesting how ppl now focus on the high-fives and make it into a big issue....:eek::mad::o

[azabaz_ipoh]

kinda reminds me of sepak takraw, where the players always hold hands when they get a point or when they lose a point. the same gesture for both occasion. so maybe the highfive was not meant to be celebratory but merely encouraging each other. :) and gesture mean different things to many people. highfives are universally known to be celebratory but some people have been known to use it in a different context.

[Hitman71]

kinda reminds me of sepak takraw, where the players always hold hands when they get a point or when they lose a point. the same gesture for both occasion. so maybe the highfive was not meant to be celebratory but merely encouraging each other. :) and gesture mean different things to many people. highfives are universally known to be celebratory but some people have been known to use it in a different context.

True, its not about the point that was played, its about the playing the next point, focusing on the next point. Its that simple...

[cute_tbh]

What's this upset about MAS performance? MAS still emerge champions, right?
What 's so inferior about a scratch pair? Scratch pairs of decent skills have an advantage over top seeded pairs because they know all about their opponents while their better ranked opponents will take at least one game to know how they play ,then another game to test out winning tactics by which time, with the NSS, the match would be over.
Remember koo/tan won their titles with the benefit of being a scratch pair?
There's no shame in Fuzzy (referring to Fairuz/zakry) losing. PSH showed that one MS is equivalent to one MD so together with Hwang, that's 3 players on the KOR side! 2 players against effectively 3? No chance.
In fact, PSH's body language was so funny.He was like finding the court too small, trying to move to MS base at the centre, willing Hwang to orbit around him like a satellite...When he had moved to MD base once and a shot came to him, he was like,surprise! 'Oh, here comes the shuttle' He returned once, twice,thrice and won the point.'Wah , MD's so easy to play, no need to run all over court when you have MS experience.Some more can wear specs for fun.'(He removed that non-badminton weapon right after the match)
Come to think of it...would PSH wear specs to play LD in AE08? That might not be a bad idea,since judging from LD's funny request in HK07,anything plastic can deflect his focus!)

i totally agree with you...the korean pairs, although they are called as scratch pairs; are not scratch players...they are four good and amazing players...whether they are scratch pairs or not, the chances of winning are the same...coz they are all good players...kkk/tbh in fact gained new experiences from this loss..they had the chance to actually feel how to handle a pair that they have never encountered before..the curious feelings, the doubtness..everything..they may not be in their best form when playing with the korean, but hey, it is not fair to say that based on this, kkk/tbh will fail in their every encounters with other pairs, right...(i said this coz they are people who say that "based on their performance against the korean scratch pair, they definitely unable to defend their all england title"...huhu)...and it is definitely unfair to say that the loss is humiliating...

[koo_fan]

LOL...with nothing worth discussing here, its interesting how ppl now focus on the high-fives and make it into a big issue....:eek::mad::o
Thats alfa's.
Should be interesting to have that small issue as a topic.

Each of us hold different perceptions.So just hold to what we believe.
IT is simple.yes.simple

[Wong8Egg]

i totally agree with you...the korean pairs, although they are called as scratch pairs; are not scratch players...they are four good and amazing players...whether they are scratch pairs or not, the chances of winning are the same...coz they are all good players...kkk/tbh in fact gained new experiences from this loss..they had the chance to actually feel how to handle a pair that they have never encountered before..the curious feelings, the doubtness..everything..they may not be in their best form when playing with the korean, but hey, it is not fair to say that based on this, kkk/tbh will fail in their every encounters with other pairs, right...(i said this coz they are people who say that "based on their performance against the korean scratch pair, they definitely unable to defend their all england title"...huhu)...and it is definitely unfair to say that the loss is humiliating...

It is humiliating not because kkk/tbh and fuzzy are bad or lack of skills but how they underestimated their opponent once again and got beaten is rather disappointing for fans. I think KKK/TBH should have had enough lessons to learn from many of the previous defeats by unknown pairs (the Japanese and Taiwanese) and they still couldn't set their mind straight this time.

And yes, they are scratch players and that's no doubt, even if they are good player by itself, but it shouldn't be better than 2 good players that paired together for a long time. Especially PSH, it is obvious that he got into wrong position many times but the Korean still managed to win the game.

Anyhow, congrats Malaysia for winning 1st place and hope they will do the same in the TC final.

[samuel882]

It is humiliating not because kkk/tbh and fuzzy are bad or lack of skills but how they underestimated their opponent once again and got beaten is rather disappointing for fans. I think KKK/TBH should have had enough lessons to learn from many of the previous defeats by unknown pairs (the Japanese and Taiwanese) and they still couldn't set their mind straight this time.

And yes, they are scratch players and that's no doubt, even if they are good player by itself, but it shouldn't be better than 2 good players that paired together for a long time. Especially PSH, it is obvious that he got into wrong position many times but the Korean still managed to win the game.

Anyhow, congrats Malaysia for winning 1st place and hope they will do the same in the TC final.
Pretty good observations... I started to believe if any Men single players who paired up with a "usual" double player (eg : LD + CY or PG + MLH etc) can have no problem to defeat them. Which in other way I believe it wont be happened for other top pairs like MK/HS or FHF/CY..

[ctjcad]

I can't name all the Korean & Japanese girls in the photo (see bottom http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=52597&page=29). Can someone fill in the blanks or correct me?

KOR:
(top left to right) Coach, Lee Kyung Won, Lee Yun Hwa?, Hwang Hye Youn, Jun Jae Youn
(bottom) Coach, ... (Ha Jung Eun, Kim Min Jung, who else)? can't tell one from another, Lee Hyo Jung

JPN:
(top left to right) Coach, Park Joo Bong, Miyuki Maeda, Yu Hirayama, Eriko Hirose, ?? (singles or player?)
(bottom) Kaori Mori, Aki Akao or Tomomi Matsuda?, AA or TM?, Suetsuna, Reiko Shiota, Kumiko Ogura
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d22/baoloc01/Thomas-Uber%20Cups%20preliminaries%202008/IMG_0017.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d22/baoloc01/Thomas-Uber%20Cups%20preliminaries%202008/IMG_0014.jpg
..hcyong, you pretty much had everyone correct for the KOR squad..:cool:
For the JAP squad, Yu Hirayama should be the one on the far right. I don't know who is the gal standing next to Ms. Maeda.
Bottom row, should be KM, Ms. Suetsuna, Ms. Masuda and then Ms. Akao...and then of course, everyone's, @ BC, fave..;)
yannie, (where is that young lady), mind filling in the rest of the forgotten ones..:p;):)
and event should be able to id the KOR squad players, even coaches/managers, with a blink of an eye..:cool:

[huangkwokhau]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d22/baoloc01/Thomas-Uber%20Cups%20preliminaries%202008/IMG_0017.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d22/baoloc01/Thomas-Uber%20Cups%20preliminaries%202008/IMG_0014.jpg
..hcyong, you pretty much had everyone correct for the KOR squad..
For the JAP squad, Yu Hirayama should be the one on the far right. I don't know who is the gal standing next to Ms. Maeda.
Bottom row, should be KM, Ms. Suetsuna,

She could be Imabeppu........I could be wrong

[abedeng]

JPN:
(top left to right) Coach, Park Joo Bong, Miyuki Maeda, Kaori Imabeppu, Eriko Hirose, Yu Hirayama
(bottom) Kaori Mori, Satoko Suetsuna, Tomomi Matsuda, Aki Akao, Reiko Shiota, Kumiko Ogura

[abedeng]

The one beside Lee Hyo Jung is probably Kim Moon Hi.

But where is Hwang Yu Mi? I thought she was in the squad?

[ye333]

Exactly. I think PSH is not a good doubles player, he is kind of too slow. But the Mas pair really sucked in the 1st game. WCH and XXZ are better than PSH when playing doubles.


Pretty good observations... I started to believe if any Men single players who paired up with a "usual" double player (eg : LD + CY or PG + MLH etc) can have no problem to defeat them. Which in other way I believe it wont be happened for other top pairs like MK/HS or FHF/CY..

[koo_fan]

about park sung hwan,i think he did have a future in doubles.what is his age actually?Thats can be a factor.

Like how Wch n Th got potential in doubles.i mean they played doubles n then,win...
That sounds good.But they are too late to be 'juniors' in doubles

[koo_fan]

Pretty good observations... I started to believe if any Men single players who paired up with a "usual" double player (eg : LD + CY or PG + MLH etc) can have no problem to defeat them. Which in other way I believe it wont be happened for other top pairs like MK/HS or FHF/CY..
long time no see this older brother.hello brother samuel!

Not every singles can play doubles.not every doubles can play singles
but that does happen.
Psh can play doubles quite well.

n kkk can play singles with a confidence.he had never played alone on court in international stage.but in certain time,i can see him played alone after let tbh stand n see his game.thats good but quite dangerous.it can affect both
of them.He need to learn when to play alone.

n about creating unexpected pairs,ask Koreans.
they did very well.i mean really well.
Not many of their doubles in world top 10 but when we are talking about producing good doubles,korea rocks man!!

[abedeng]

Conversion from singles to doubles is always possible, Tian Bingyi, Christian Hadinata and Tan Yee Khan were all very good singles players.

Conversion from doubles to singles is probably not possible, the closest I've seen is Razif Sidek and Park Joo Bong. Razif won the Commonwealth Games bronze and Park was runnerup is Korea Open once, losing to Misbun. Too much space to cover, just look at how Lee Yong Dae got confused ..... :D

I thought PSH played decently in doubles, though I agree WCH is better. Then again, WCH started in doubles until Commonwealth Games 1998.

[koo_fan]

have u ever seen kkk played as single?

[george@chongwei]

have u ever seen kkk played as single?
no, i`ve never see KKK play as a single player...:):cool::rolleyes:;)

[eaglehelang]

Conversion from singles to doubles is always possible, Tian Bingyi, Christian Hadinata and Tan Yee Khan were all very good singles players.

Conversion from doubles to singles is probably not possible, the closest I've seen is Razif Sidek and Park Joo Bong. Razif won the Commonwealth Games bronze and Park was runnerup is Korea Open once, losing to Misbun. Too much space to cover, just look at how Lee Yong Dae got confused ..... :D

I thought PSH played decently in doubles, though I agree WCH is better. Then again, WCH started in doubles until Commonwealth Games 1998.

According to either BAdzine or BWF website, PSH was some juniors doubles champ in 2002. He's just rusty aft so many yrs of not playing MD.

Would that be one of the reasons some of our BJSS players are trained in both disciplines nowadays - MS & MD or WS & WD. Arif still plays both.
So, to 'convert' isnt that hard for those who used to play doubles in their junior days.

There's also combination of MS, MD & XD, which is rare - Voluntus Indra did that but of course not in same tournament. He played MD with Arif & won some satelitte tourney in Iran.

[abedeng]

Eagle,

What I mean is, to convert and be a world beater after conversion. Singles to doubles is possible, doubles to singles is not likely. Probably due to the different fitness regime needed.

Though in the 80s, Li Lingwei and Han Aiping (two ex-Women's Singles World Champs) combined together to win Women's Doubles. But even they do not stay long in doubles.

Juniors are expected to play all disciplines, then coaches will determine what suits them best .....

[Noridayu]

Eagle,

What I mean is, to convert and be a world beater after conversion. Singles to doubles is possible, doubles to singles is not likely. Probably due to the different fitness regime needed.

Though in the 80s, Li Lingwei and Han Aiping (two ex-Women's Singles World Champs) combined together to win Women's Doubles. But even they do not stay long in doubles.

Juniors are expected to play all disciplines, then coaches will determine what suits them best .....
Dear Abedeng,

SBBJ players are trained to play in both singles and doubles. They will participates in both events in the tournament that they took part.Most of them are able to achieve success in their events. Some even merge as champions for both.

From:
Ayu

[ants]

no, i`ve never see KKK play as a single player...:):cool::rolleyes:;)

KKK used to be a single player before he was picked to play doubles. He can still play.. it would be great if Lee Yong dae vs KKK in singles ehheh

[Noridayu]

KKK used to be a single player before he was picked to play doubles. He can still play.. it would be great if Lee Yong dae vs KKK in singles ehheh
Dear ants,

I do not think that Malaysia team will field him as a single player in the major tournament. Maybe in friendly game.

From:
Ayu

[champion8]

Dear Abedeng,

SBBJ players are trained to play in both singles and doubles. They will participates in both events in the tournament that they took part.Most of them are able to achieve success in their events. Some even merge as champions for both.

From:
Ayu

The Junior are trained in both but some are identified at very young. Its is difficult to be good at both.

[azabaz_ipoh]

KKK used to be a single player before he was picked to play doubles. He can still play.. it would be great if Lee Yong dae vs KKK in singles ehheh

yeah, that would be fun. both will be playing singles with a doubles mindset. :p;)

[abedeng]

yeah, that would be fun. both will be playing singles with a doubles mindset. :p;)

Can, as long as they play in just one side ...... :D

[koo_fan]

yeah, that would be fun. both will be playing singles with a doubles mindset. :p;)
actually kkk did imagined himself as single when he played with tbh.i suppose...

kkk - single.is that possible?not too late.

[azabaz_ipoh]

hehehehe, yeah i wonder how KKK is as a singles player. maybe ants know. last week LCW and the gang came down to ipoh for some team training. they even had a friendly match of some sort and LCW played doubles with one of the political candidate. he won by the way :)

[koo_fan]

hehehehe, yeah i wonder how KKK is as a singles player. maybe ants know. last week LCW and the gang came down to ipoh for some team training. they even had a friendly match of some sort and LCW played doubles with one of the political candidate. he won by the way :)
LCW will never lose in that game.Never ever.
So,did kkk win?

[azabaz_ipoh]

i dont know if KKK win or even if he played because the paper only mentioned LCW's game :D but if KKK did play, i think he would have won. :) no worries koo_fan.

[koo_fan]

Like how arsenal will beat milan tommorow??
No worries,sis aza

[dini_chantik]

hey..hey malaysia lost the game, he...he...

[george@chongwei]

hey..hey malaysia lost the game, he...he...
what game do u mean????
MAS did won their final day match against korea during the tc/uc preliminaries asia zone 2008..:)

[dini_chantik]

sorry, i mean malaysia lostfrom china in semifinal, i never mind to hate malaysia, i like malaysia especially koo kien kat and tan beong heong

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Hi all, i was watching the Thomas Cup Semi Finals Mens Singles #2 match, Bao Chun Lai vs Wong Choong Han. I think if i m not mistaken, Wong is using the Cab 20 classic. can anyone verify that? i can't believe a pro in 2008 will still be using this legendary weapon?