ALL ENGLAND 2008: Day 6 - Mar 9 - FINAL

[Jessica]

Now, China WS is a bunch of crappy players should i said?
:eek:..Huh..Is this too serious..They are still goof but there are some other players better than them..:D:D

[george@chongwei]

hmm, now womens double...
zzzzzz..........

[Birdwood]

Good luck to DJ/YFY for WD coming next...

[jimbo]

WMC WIN in CO07 was just an miracle, flash on the pan ;)

Thats exactly what I thought after analysing those non-CHN players cracking the Great Wall. WMC doesnt have what it takes, but not to discard her as a dark horse. Tine has the height n power, but not consistancy. :p

[z3048018]

i wonder if the outcome would have been different if that line call was not over ruled?

anyway, bed time for me...would have love to stay up for the doubles..

[huangkwokhau]

really? maybe she was too disappointed with her performance. being down and coming back in both the 2nd and 3rd like that she thought there might be a chance.
still sportsmanship should have been there
Seems that LL was very upset......

[Smichz]

Ok..next,WD final,china vs korea..i'll hold for korea!..Go on!
Aza aza fighting!!

[jimbo]

Korea WD knows how to play CHn WD but YY/DJ are quite fast.....

The tomboys will outpower n outpace the Kimchi :p

[mas123]

Tine was good....I think it is time for China to realise they are not dominating the WS anymore :)

[huangkwokhau]

Now, China WS is a bunch of crappy players should i said?
No..I do not think so... lets say ZN or XXF retire, CHn still has LL, ZL,WYH,WL,Jiang andZhu Jing Jing

[Louisa]

sheesh what a sore loser lu lan is....this is the second or third tournament ive seen her not want to shake handss with the opponent after the match and not stand on the podium with her opponent.... oh well congrats to tine though very exciting match


Interesting observation, anyone else care to comment?
hmmm, tine went celebration right after the last point....took sometimes for tine to go back to the arena, by the time, lu lan was packing her stuff....tine went to greet her, and gave a firm handshake....i guess this is normal...

as for the podium, i din c the prize ceremony, cant comment:)

[eaglehelang]

WMC WIN in CO07 was just an miracle, flash on the pan ;)

kah kah kah :D:D, following somebody's comment

[jimbo]

Who is the young Korean coach? He looks like a player himself :D

[badMania]

Korea WD knows how to play CHn WD but YY/DJ are quite fast.....

Lee Dong Soo and Ha Tae Kwon's presence in the coaching team have indeed changed the Doubles Team.

BTW, the Korean Team is there to stay in Europe after the Swiss Open, with Lee Hyun Il, Hwang Hye Youn, Ha Jung Eun/Kim Min Jung and Lee Yong Dae/Lee Hyo Jung going to compete in a minor Banuinvest International Badminton Championships 2008 in Romania :eek: They are really claiming as many Olympics pts as possible!

[bill681231]

sheesh what a sore loser lu lan is....this is the second or third tournament ive seen her not want to shake handss with the opponent after the match and not stand on the podium with her opponent.... oh well congrats to tine though very exciting match

Tine went to hug and doing "Give me five" with her coaches right after she won the match point. By the time she's done, LL is almost on her way out. If you look at video again, you could tell that Tine tapped her on the shoulder then she turned around and shakes hands with Tine.

Not very polite, but should not be blamed,either.

[robin7]

Lu Lan looks good for qualifying for OG.
Lu Lan has been consistent this year (once quarter-finalist and twice finalist).

MO2008 QF lost to TR
KO2008 Final lost to ZM
AE2008 Final lost to TR

[badMania]

The tomboys are simply too fast for the Koreans to handle.

[jimbo]

It looks like walking in the park for the tomboys... dominate with their power n speed... play like men doubles :eek:

[robin7]

Who is the young Korean coach? He looks like a player himself :D
I guess u r refering to Lee Dong Soo, a former MD player, MD silver medalist in both 2000 and 2004 OG.

[robin7]

That's fast! CHN 11-4.

[Louisa]

a gone case for Kor WD...........

[badMania]

A total massacre...the tomboys lead 11-4 at the interval.

[jimbo]

I guess u r refering to Lee Dong Soo, a former MD player.

OK, thanks. I dun know him but he looks very young. Anyway, even ParkJB cant help the Kimchi to beat the tomboys :p

[drifit]

A total massacre...the tomboys lead 11-4 at the interval.

tomboys is sinking the Korean pair........:rolleyes:
calling them tomboys......
darn me, i am bad also....:p

[badMania]

They should disqualify the tomboys....they are totally "different" from the other WDs, including Chinese's own Wei/Zhang and Yang/Zhang :cool:

[helloworld]

with this form, China pair can win Men Double title as well ;)

[robin7]

Surprisingly, the tomboys out-shout the KOR girls.

[drifit]

with this form, China pair can win Men Double title as well ;)

how about XD for a start.........:p

[eaglehelang]

with this form, China pair can win Men Double title as well ;)

RLOL, not yet. MD is faster. XD opponent maybe

[ye333]

The Koreans are warmed up now.


They should disqualify the tomboys....they are totally "different" from the other WDs, including Chinese's own Wei/Zhang and Yang/Zhang :cool:

[robin7]

Yu Yang was warned by umpire for delaying the game.

[george@chongwei]

They should disqualify the tomboys....they are totally "different" from the other WDs, including Chinese's own Wei/Zhang and Yang/Zhang :cool:
yeah, you are right!.their style of play is just like men, not woman...
actually they are men or woman??:cool:

[Jessica]

Well..I only think that Du Jing look like tomboy but not Yu Yang.She is actually very cute and with the fair skin...

[jimbo]

The Koreans are warmed up now.

It's not good enough. The tomboys will eat the kimchi alive :eek::p

[robin7]

Looks like it's a right decision to "let" the tomboys play the KOR girls.

[ye333]

It seems the Koreans are exhausted after several hard matches.

[ctjcad]

..just checking in..

Any of u guys in All England??? well I was there on Friday and yesterday took pics with all of team INA apart from Vita, Sony and Alven...btw Endang is soooo cute in real life.....well did u hear the INA support??? Richard Mainaky actually thanked us for the support
..any pics to share w/us??..;)

...
We went to the Indo players yesterday and met Nova, Hendra( the other one not Setiawan) and Taufik....most of the player were not there...
They were in Manchester watching Man U against Portsmouth...
..ah, so perhaps their minds were somewhere else during this AE..more interested in going and watching a soccer match??..:confused: :rolleyes:

..we'll be waiting for both of you guys' pics, here in BC..;)

Man, I'm so nervous, cant believe INA won 1st game!

Okay...scary part now.....3rd set.......

can't take it, too nervous...
:p...nervous??..you guys were nervous??..:confused: :);)

It's funny to see Nova prefer smash to Zeng Bo rather than Gao Ling!
..that's why they call this sport "the gentleman's game"..;)

that was an entertaining game!!! good fight back by LL, but just too late. congrats to TR, kept her composure and deserved the win

The crowd must have enjoyed it. They were treated to a cliff hanger by both ladies. Well done to them both.

What an exciting finale for the Women's Singlas Final.

This was definitely today's most thrilling and tense Final so far.
...
..indeed the WS Final match turned out to be an entertaining match...too bad, i didn't watch the actions..:p

Tine Rasmussen won 3 SS titles beating 3 CHN players in the finals within 6 months.

JO2007 beating XXF
MO2008 beating ZL
AE2008 beating LL

She definitely looks good for the Olympic gold.
..ehm, remember there's a theory of "the past winner of the AE in the same yr as the OG had never won an OG Gold"...so...

[robin7]

The KOR girls will come back strongly in the 2nd game.

[jimbo]

The tomboys can do jumping smashes :eek: Pls send official to check on their "DNA" :p

[ye333]

Yes, some ppl are so mean. :D If DJ/YY should be disqualified, definitely Rasmussen and Schenk should be disqualified too. :D


Well..I only think that Du Jing look like tomboy but not Yu Yang.She is actually very cute and with the fair skin...

[Smichz]

21-12..Korean lost..O my..those tomboys really can attack!!

[Jessica]

..ehm, remember there's a theory of "the winner of the AE in the same yr as the OG had never won an OG Gold"...so...Oh...Now only i remember this spell..Maybe Lin Dan also heard this and he choose to lost the match because he want to is eager to win the Olympic game champion..:D:D:D

[robin7]

..ehm, remember there's a theory of "the winner of the AE in the same yr as the OG had never won an OG Gold"...so...
I thought GL/ZJ won AE2004?

[Jessica]

Yes, some ppl are so mean. :D If DJ/YY should be disqualified, definitely Rasmussen and Schenk should be disqualified too. :D
Ya lor...George even ask that they are woman or not...Faint..So bad..:D:D:D

[badMania]

The key is to force the Chinese pair to a rally and not to let the shot be killed so easily as in the initial stage of the first set.

The Koreans improved as they managed to get 8 pts after the interval, although they ended up losing the first set 12-21. Let's see how they approach the second set.

[ye333]

I think Kim/Ra won AE2004. Btw, at that time it's ZJ/GL.


I thought GL/ZB won AE2004?

[badMania]

Yes, some ppl are so mean. :D If DJ/YY should be disqualified, definitely Rasmussen and Schenk should be disqualified too. :D

Haha....Tine still has a long hair though and does look like a woman ;)

[robin7]

That's more like it! Camon kimchi!

[badMania]

I think Kim/Ra won AE2004. Btw, at that time it's ZJ/GL.

As long as the pattern is: u win one, I win one, then as long as Zheng/Gao does not meet Nova/Butet anymore, it bodes well for the INA pair :o

[ye333]

What a return of serve! :eek: We definitely don't see many such shots in WD!

[huangkwokhau]

4 all...KOR plays abit better this 2nd set

[Konnichiwa]

Tine went to hug and doing "Give me five" with her coaches right after she won the match point. By the time she's done, LL is almost on her way out. If you look at video again, you could tell that Tine tapped her on the shoulder then she turned around and shakes hands with Tine.

Not very polite, but should not be blamed,either.

she didnt really celebrate for that long..... the thing was that tine called her name and was standing right htere and lu lan ignored her at first but then shook her hand quickly

[huangkwokhau]

a great rally...ending to Kor's favour...

[ctjcad]

Oh...Now only i remember this spell..Maybe Lin Dan also heard this and he choose to lost the match because he want to is eager to win the Olympic game champion..:D:D:D
..perhaps?!...:confused:..;)

I thought GL/ZB won AE2004?

I think Kim/Ra won AE2004. Btw, at that time it's ZJ/GL.
..there ya go~thx for debriefing us, ye333..actually Winston_T brought up this fact not too long ago.....so, yeah, for LCW's and KKK's & TBH's fans, the "spell" is safe for them this yr..;)

[badMania]

I think Du Jing is taller than Markis Kido :eek:???

She's as powerful too at the back....

[robin7]

I think Kim/Ra won AE2004. Btw, at that time it's ZJ/GL.
Yeah, typo error and it should be ZJ/GL!

[Smichz]

Wow...that's a hot point..5th point for korea..

[jimbo]

Kimchi has tightened up defence and tomboys have loaded more n more power in their smashes... :eek: Still, the tomboys will prevail :cool:

[badMania]

A long and interesting rally won by the Korean.

That's how they should play it!

[ye333]

To be fair, I guess most Chinese WD/WS are taller than Kido. :D


I think Du Jing is taller than Markis Kido :eek:???

She's as powerful too at the back....

[robin7]

I think Du Jing is taller than Markis Kido :eek:???

She's as powerful too at the back....
And she can out-shout Markis too.:D

[badMania]

Du Jing will make errors...just be pateient.....

[huangkwokhau]

Du jing is almost same height as Kido...not taller than Kido for sure

[extremenanopowe]

LCW must be kicking himself for loosing in the semis. Too defensive. Not sure if that's the correct strategy. Old double bugger can't last. Wasted.

[helloworld]

Kimchi is not easy to eat na' ;)

[jimbo]

LCW must be kicking himself for loosing in the semis. Too defensive. Not sure if that's the correct strategy. Old double bugger can't last. Wasted.

uncle, u still dreaming huh? it's FINAL now, not SEMI FINAL :D

[huangkwokhau]

Surprise LYB does not waer Giorgio Armani cap....have to be Yonex....hehe

[jimbo]

Surprise LYB does not waer Giorgio Armani cap....have to be Yonex....hehe

Did u mean LYB does wear Armani cap "made in Italy"? Not "made in China"? :eek::D

[jimbo]

Kimchi taking leads for the first time... 14-13... :eek:

[Smichz]

The score is tight..12-12..

[Han]

The key is Hyo Jung, need to smash hard and defend better. sometime I feel she is not giving 100% effort, Kyung Won(the shorter one) has better defensive skill. If Hyo Jung can step up another level, winning is very achievable

[jimbo]

Kimchi extending leads... 16-14 :eek:

[Smichz]

That was an out!!!

[jimbo]

18-15... Kimchi showing power now.... :eek:

[jimbo]

19-15... Kimchi anyone??? :eek:

[jimbo]

19-16... Kimchi leading... :eek: what happen to the tomboys? :rolleyes:

[Smichz]

Come on..go for rubber set!!

[jimbo]

20-18 to kimchi.... one more point to force rubber :eek:

[robin7]

YES, rubber... Go go kimchi.

[jimbo]

21-18...kimchi took the 2nd game.. :eek: I am in total shock of myself :eek:

[Han]

Can the Koreans sustain the pace on game 3? Fitness certainly comes into play and Chinese will have advantage in that department. Keep it close and move your opponents around ...

[Dreamzz]

i can't imagine what LYB's face will look like if CHN wins only 2 titles this year.

[robin7]

Camon, kimchi... go the way...

[george@chongwei]

as usual, WD always goes to rubber set...

[Smichz]

Yes,korean took the 2nd game!!!!

[helloworld]

oh oh, a sour can of Kimchi for Mr LYB, Rubber set now ;). I like Kimchi, it is delicious ;)

[bill681231]

21-18...kimchi took the 2nd game.. :eek: I am in total shock of myself :eek:

dont be so surprise. the first match does not mean that much in recent game. since the level are so close, it is the tragedy makes the difference.

[b0urg301s13]

i wonder if the tomboys also play together in the smaller court....

[badMania]

Now on to the rubber-set as the Korean pair Lee Kyung Won/Lee Hyo Jung managed to win the second-set 21-18. Du Jing made a number of wild returns, while Yu Yang apparently didn't look comfortable at the back. So, the key is once again to restrict the Chinese pair to attack...and to switch Yu Yang to the back and Du Jing to the net.

Let's see....

[extremenanopowe]

I know la. Imagine if LCW beat CJ and Lindan Injured? Another champion. What a waste!:D


uncle, u still dreaming huh? it's FINAL now, not SEMI FINAL :D

[jimbo]

C'on kimchi... tomboys still leading 4-2

[robin7]

4-all. Camon kimchi....

[jimbo]

I know la. Imagine if LCW beat CJ and Lindan Injured? Another champion. What a waste!:D

walao... u still newbie meh? If LD vs LCW, u think LD was "injured"? FYI, i've nominated LD for the Oscar best actor 2009. :rolleyes:

[robin7]

Return wide by YY. KOR 6-4.

[helloworld]

LYB want tomboys patiently eat Kimchi now

[robin7]

KOR girls need to shout after scoring a pt. I mean LOUDER.

[robin7]

Camon kimchi 8-6.

[jimbo]

Kimchi is as strong as Gingseng... still leading 8-6... go kimchi :p

[robin7]

Korea 9-7..........

[jimbo]

Someone pls feed the tomboys some Gingseng... no more power :D

[jimbo]

Kimchi lead the toilet break at 11-7.... kimchi... gingseng... :eek:

[robin7]

KOR 11-7... Go go kimchi. The Korean girls are playing better and better.

[robin7]

Calm down. Kimchi...

[jimbo]

tomboys are catching up... 9-11... :eek:

[robin7]

Miss by DJ. KOR 12-9.

[jimbo]

half court smash out by tomboys... 12-9 to kimchi

[badMania]

The Koreans have really played smartly, forcing the Chinese pair to make errors after errors. Lee/Lee lead 11-7 at the interval. Can they maintain the pressure?

[robin7]

KOR 13-10 up.....

[jimbo]

13-10... kimchi....

[george@chongwei]

kimchi looks like gonna win this game..

[robin7]

Great defense by KOR 14-11.

[jimbo]

14-11... kiimchi.... more patience... :)

[robin7]

Another miss by DJ. KOR 15-11.

[jimbo]

what happened to the tomboys smashing??? all long :eek: 15-11

[george@chongwei]

this match had lasted for 1 hour!

[robin7]

Great dropshot by LHJ. KOR 16-11.

[jimbo]

16-11... kimchi kimchi

[george@chongwei]

what happened to the tomboys smashing??? all long :eek: 15-11
the tomboys weakness!
hehehh

[jimbo]

misjudged by tomboys... 17-11... kimchi

[robin7]

Landed in. KOR 17-11.

[robin7]

Return wide by DJ. KOR 18-11.

[jimbo]

kimchi eat too much gingseng... dats why never got tired.... 18-11... kimchiiiiii :eek:

[robin7]

Camon, kimchi, 3 more...

[jimbo]

solid defence by kimchi.... 19-13... kimchiiiiiiii :p

[robin7]

Push long by YY. KOR 19-13.

[robin7]

Match pt 20-13 for KOR.

[jimbo]

20-13... game point.... kimchi.... :eek:

[george@chongwei]

kimchi, Kimchi ,kimchi,kimchi, Kimchi, Kimchi, Kimchi...

[abedeng]

This is looking great.

China's proud record in the women's section is being broken.

[robin7]

1 saved, 6 more match pts.

[helloworld]

no more candies for tomboys any more, Kimchi is leading 18-11

[jimbo]

KIMCHI won WD.....!!!! 21-14!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[roller]

congrats to the korean gals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[robin7]

YES, Korea stole the title from China.

I just earned 11 pts for my PAW on LHJ/LKW.

[jimbo]

Kimchi has cracked down the Great Wall... LYB's surely furious with the defeat :rolleyes:

[george@chongwei]

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE KOREA wd PAIR..

[robin7]

CHN 2
KOR 2
DEN 1

[abedeng]

Korea can boast of the best doubles strength, in both men's and women's section.

And they have been playing non stop for the past 3 weeks.

[eaglehelang]

Congrats to Korea for winning WD title again after 9 years

[bill681231]

The korean pair is sharing the same bottle of water?

[Smichz]

Hahaha...congrats to Korean WD..enough for CH's domination!!!

[sumbadder]

even though they claimed 2 titles China is falling.

[helloworld]

good performance from Kimchi' pair, they rescue wd from tomboys

[Smichz]

The korean pair is sharing the same bottle of water?

Maybe they're too happy???:D

[mas123]

China ladies' form is falling....The Great wall has been broken......

[eaglehelang]

Congrats to Korea for winning WD title after 9 years

[abedeng]

Congrats to Tine for keeping the Super Series women's singles title away from CHN for 2008.

And for the 2 Lees, putting the fear of Koreans back into Chinese women's pairs.

[bill681231]

Maybe they're too happy???:D
No, I notice they are drinking the same bottle from the very beginning.:eek:

[Smichz]

even though they claimed 2 titles China is falling.

I'm happy for that.It's better for this sport..to have more colourful competitions.Besides,it's boring to see CH players again n again on the front page..

[doublewings]

This is probably the most shocking result of AE2008. Congratulations to the Korean ladies.

[mas123]

This leaves an open door for Olympic medals...any1 can win it....more ASIA countries are improving...

[jimbo]

No, I notice they are drinking the same bottle from the very beginning.:eek:

FYI, gingseng drinks are expensive... dats why they share the drink :D:p

[Loopy]

Yay!
Very very very happy for Lee Kyung Won and Lee Hyo Jung !!!
:)

[Smichz]

No, I notice they are drinking the same bottle from the very beginning.:eek:

Maybe that's their secret of winning the title??:eek:

[roller]

rtm1 news report again? sigh

[badMania]

Congratulations to Lee Kyung Won/Lee Hyo Jung! They have defied the odds and beat Du Jing/Yu Yang in rubber-sets. The rubber-set was played very smartly by the Koreans once they got the lead at the beginning of the set. They even rallied to a 18-11, thanks to the atrocious defense of the Chinese pair, which gifted the Korean pair points after points. That basically sealed the match. Team Korea WINS 2 TITLES THIS WEEK!

This match also exposed the tomboys' weaknesses! They were pretty ordinary in defense and made lots of errors if their attacks did not work. So, they were basically relying on raw power right now....other Chinese pairs like Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen are still superior to them!

[Han]

Kyung Won played really well, minimized her mistake and fully utilized her vast experience playing rallies. I was worry about Hyo Jung but she hold herself very well too during the storm. The Chinese pair still lack of experience and lack of changes, once their smashes no longer effective, the wall crumbled, very one dimensional.
Good effort by both sides, nothing to be shame of even the Chinese lost while the fearless Koreans shown to world how to beat the mighty Chinese.

[jimbo]

rtm1 news report again? sigh

yes, it sucks... no Msia players, no LIVE :rolleyes: try to watch online but failed to locate yet :(

[robin7]

Astro stopped the broadcast but RTM1 will resume at 1:45am after the news.

[eaglehelang]

yes, it sucks... no Msia players, no LIVE :rolleyes: try to watch online but failed to locate yet :(

shanghai sports no more showing, no more china players
try gd sports

[Han]

yes, it sucks... no Msia players, no LIVE :rolleyes: try to watch online but failed to locate yet :(

try www.planetbadminton.tv, is really worth it, however, be aware the line in Malaysia has quite a bit of problem this week mainly due to election.

[F-38-I]

What a tournament! Full of surprise! Though i'm stilll disappointed with Nova/Butet lost! But it's ok, runner up is better than SF-ist. The 2 pairs always share the titles, next time maybe INA's turn. Btw, congrat for Tine & KOR WD!

[eaglehelang]

try www.planetbadminton.tv (http://www.planetbadminton.tv), is really worth it, however, be aware the line in Malaysia has quite a bit of problem this week mainly due to election.

ok, GD SPORTS is showing while wait for news to be over

[badMania]

The Chinese pair still lack of experience and lack of changes, once their smashes no longer effective, the wall crumbled, very one dimensional.


Agree on this one...Lee Hyo Jung made some errors, but those even pales in numbers compared to Du Jing (her many wild returns) and Yu Yang (if she's at the back of the court). The Koreans are more patient and rarely attacked, just rely on the Chinese to make the errors.

[jimbo]

shanghai sports no more showing, no more china players
try gd sports

thanks. I'm watching shanghai sports but it's not showing anymore... :crying: I'll just wait for RTM1 at 1:45am

[badMania]

The statistics confirmed it.

24 smashes for the Chinese pair vs 11 for the Koreans.
BUT, only 9 net winners and 23 unforced errors for the Chinese pair vs 14 net winners and 15 unforced errors for the Korean pair.

[Smichz]

LYD/JJS to win this MD title..2-0 leading!!

[Han]

Agree on this one...Lee Hyo Jung made some errors, but those even pales in numbers compared to Du Jing (her many wild returns) and Yu Yang (if she's at the back of the court). The Koreans are more patient and rarely attacked, just rely on the Chinese to make the errors.

That's how the experience comes into play, the same strategy would not have worked against Zhang Jiewen/Yang Wei but credit to the Koreans able to adapt and make chances.

[badMania]

thanks. I'm watching shanghai sports but it's not showing anymore... :crying: I'll just wait for RTM1 at 1:45am

Any livestream for RTM?

[jimbo]

try www.planetbadminton.tv (http://www.planetbadminton.tv), is really worth it, however, be aware the line in Malaysia has quite a bit of problem this week mainly due to election.

thanks. Dont really feel like paying to watching it online coz it may be lagging due to poor internet connectivity. :)

[Smichz]

GD sports at sopcast is still showing..quick!..LYD/JJS leading 6-5

[jimbo]

Any livestream for RTM?

I am watching RTM1 on TV now... any difference if i watch RTM1 on internet? I thought same? :confused:

[sumbadder]

the MD game is pretty flat right now...neither side really seems to be trying.

[badMania]

Jung/Lee lead 11-8. Maybe they can finish this match before 2am....I need the sleep :o

[jimbo]

OK, RTM1 is showing now.... :)

[terry]

RTM1 now showing MD FInal!!!!!

[robin7]

The MD match is not exciting at all...

[badMania]

Lee/Hwang take the first set 22-20.

[robin7]

HJM/LJJ took the 1st game 22-20.

[Han]

thanks. Dont really feel like paying to watching it online coz it may be lagging due to poor internet connectivity. :)

Credit to planetbadminton's decision to broadcast in 16:9 format(wide screen), first time I've seen badminton in this size, I kind of like it than the regular TV 4:3 format.

[kwun]

LJJ has some freaking awesome offense right on the first rally.

[george@chongwei]

does anyone knows what racquet is lee jae jin using??

[jimbo]

The korea pairs are pretty well, i must say. the crowd seems yawning :eek:

[sumbadder]

does anyone knows what racquet is lee jae jin using??

looks like an arc10

[george@chongwei]

looks like this game is going to be rubber set..
but it is still early to tell..
anything can happen..

[Han]

looks like an arc10

I must have the fake one as mine don't even generate 1/10 of the power :D

[Han]

If the Koreans can maintain their form, Olympic title will be theirs. What a speed and power they possess.

[sumbadder]

I must have the fake one as mine don't even generate 1/10 of the power :D

haha well at the way they're playing you might be able to. I think we were all expecting an epic final but this just looks like a practice game.

edit: with some very odd faults being called...

[jimbo]

just look at their defence... i think most pairs will have difficulties killing them. simply rock solid defence for the korea pairs :eek:

[Han]

haha well at the way they're playing you might be able to. I think we were all expecting an epic final but this just looks like a practice game.

edit: with some very odd faults being called...

But I kind of like this one, both are trying to win a "square and fair" way, the only thing lack of is the drama :D
How do you feel the chances of KKK/TBH play against these 2 pairs? I think is 45-55.

[jimbo]

mirror oh mirror... when will i see Msia vs Msia in AE MD Final? :eek::D

[sumbadder]

But I kind of like this one, both are trying to win a "square and fair" way, the only thing lack of is the drama :D
How do you feel the chances of KKK/TBH play against these 2 pairs? I think is 45-55.

yeah it just needs more sparks haha. I think even if KKK/TBH from last year played either of the pairs they'd be on the losing side cause they're mentally weak where these guys are full of confidence.

[Han]

Wow, what the exhibition games they have put together drag into rubber now! Power packs with blazing speed, the world has to take note on these pairs!

[Han]

mirror oh mirror... when will i see Msia vs Msia in AE MD Final? :eek::D

The mirror says: "Malaysia pair will win the Olympic, just like the All England 2008(wrong prediction)"

Disclosure : prediction not guarantee

[sumbadder]

we could have another KDM/HTK and LDS/YYS domination again

[badMania]

OK...the last stage of the match now, with Lee/Hwang slightly on top now...11-9.

[Han]

we could have another KDM/HTK and LDS/YYS domination again

Watch up for the coming Thomas Cup:
2 good MDs and 2 solid MS

[badMania]

Entering the last 7 pts of the match now with scores still level at 14-14. They will keep this to 19 or 20. Then, it will be winner takes all for the last 2 pts.

[badMania]

Jung/Lee on the verge of winning the title now...19-16.

[Han]

This kid Lee Yong Dae is very very good, so young yet so experience.

[badMania]

As expected, Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae win the All-England title, their first title in over a year now since the Korea Open SS 2007. The margin is only 3 pts, 21-18 in the rubber-set, a pretty fair result.

[sumbadder]

I hope this isn't a case of the Korean team simply peaking. They play so cleanly compared to the rest of the world.

[ye333]

SSM is not a weak 3rd MS either.


Watch up for the coming Thomas Cup:
2 good MDs and 2 solid MS

[Han]

One thing for sure, is not fun to watch badminton if you're being neutral to either team, the only impression I have about these Korean pairs are exceptional speed and power. I have to say only KKK/TBH can match theirs in these categories if they play their true strength. I think these Korea pairs will shine in many coming tournaments.

[economet]

During the Geman Open last week Ha Tae Kwon responsible for MD in the Korean Squad told me that Lee Yong Dae and Jung Jaesung have a slight edge. And that was correct. Somehow, Lee Jaejin has got an injured right hand.

[Smichz]

So,who won the MD title?

[Wong8Egg]

Poor CJ that get discounted for winning the All England title by the bias fans again. Doesn't matter if he win by a big margin or small but people still criticize China for match fixing. Oh well, did he beat LCW fair and sqaure? So can't he beat LD and not to mention it was a close game.

When LCW and TH fail to deliver the fans has lot of excuse for them whether they are not trying or they are tried. And when LD fail then it must be the evil LYB doing something bad.

Come on, if your countryman fail to enter to the final, blame your players, but don't blame China for the domination.

LYB is not evil, but the people who discount the winner's effort.

Shame on the bias ppl.

[ye333]

Well, ppl have eyes and brains. They watch the match and compare the performance of the athletes with their "database" of previous performance, not just count the points. Yes, it doesn't matter he wins by a big margin or small margin, what matters is whether their behavior on court is suspicious or not.

Of course it's all subjective and depending on people's experience. For example, if you have never watched Hafiz play, and then see one match. You may think, this guy is not trying, the match may be fixed. But then suppose you download 10 other matches of Hafiz and watch them, you will realize that this guy always plays like that. Since it's highly unlikely that all of his matches are fixed, your previous conclusion is most likely wrong.

But obviously bias does not play a role here.


Poor CJ that get discounted for winning the All England title by the bias fans again. Doesn't matter if he win by a big margin or small but people still criticize China for match fixing. Oh well, did he beat LCW fair and sqaure? So can't he beat LD and not to mention it was a close game.

When LCW and TH fail to deliver the fans has lot of excuse for them whether they are not trying or they are tried. And when LD fail then it must be the evil LYB doing something bad.

Come on, if your countryman fail to enter to the final, blame your players, but don't blame China for the domination.

LYB is not evil, but the people who discount the winner's effort.

Shame on the bias ppl.

[singhzico]

The REDS rule in EPL now, blues was far behind :rolleyes:
iS THERE ANY WEBSITE THAT HAS FREE LIVE STREAMING?

[Wong8Egg]

Well, ppl have eyes and brains. They watch the match and compare the performance of the athletes with their "database" of previous performance, not just count the points. Yes, it doesn't matter he wins by a big margin or small margin, what matters is whether their behavior on court is suspicious or not.


If people has bias eyes and brains then the outcome is always suspicious. I think you should know better than anybody. :rolleyes:

[cooler]

i hope CHN will not win MS gold medal...sorry to say...hope and reality are 2 different things... sorry to say LOL

[ye333]

That's so funny. So you are saying LD's performance today is normal? I believe a better strategy for you is to say LD really got injured (which is not impossible by the way).

Go to Chinese badminton forums (for example www.chinabadminton.com, www.badmintoncn.com). You will be the first one to say that this match has nothing suspicious. :D


If people has bias eyes and brains then the outcome is always suspicious. I think you should know better than anybody. :rolleyes:

[ye333]

I am a bit confused. Didn't Lee/Hwang win the German Open? :confused:


During the Geman Open last week Ha Tae Kwon responsible for MD in the Korean Squad told me that Lee Yong Dae and Jung Jaesung have a slight edge. And that was correct. Somehow, Lee Jaejin has got an injured right hand.

[Wong8Egg]

That's so funny. So you are saying LD's performance today is normal? I believe a better strategy for you is to say LD really got injured (which is not impossible by the way).

Go to Chinese badminton forums (for example www.chinabadminton.com (http://www.chinabadminton.com), www.badmintoncn.com (http://www.badmintoncn.com)). You will be the first one to say that this match has nothing suspicious. :D

So LD can't really be injured and only LCW can? Funny that you're telling me that you're open minded and not bias sometimes ago when you pin-point the Chinese team every single time.

[ye333]

For your information, this is what I said: "I believe a better strategy for you is to say LD really got injured (which is not impossible by the way). "

I never said this match is fixed. I just said it's highly suspicious. Anything wrong or "biased" with that claim?

LCW may or may not fake injury during French Open but that doesn't lead to match-fixing suspicion because BCL or CJ were not cooperating. Now you should understand the difference I believe?

By the way, CJ would still get dis-credited if LD really is injured. Since everyone knows if LD is in his normal form, CJ would not have much chance.



So LD can't really be injured and only LCW can? Funny that you're telling me that you're open minded and not bias sometimes ago when you pin-point the Chinese team every single time.

[Polar Bear]

The problem here is that 'Team China' is now reaping what they have sown. Their history of rather blatant match manipulation is now comming back to bite them as now any match between two Chinese players is viewed with a jaded eye by many. Personally, I don't care what goes on in these tournaments the professional game has been turned into a joke. I treat it as entertainment. It's fun to watch but I don't worry too much about who wins. Kind of like the way others watch professional wrestling.

[economet]

Yes, but that was a better practice game. I watched it personally. And due to AE and Swiss Open, it was not really serious. (Fear of Injury and other reasons)
This presitigious All England Championship Finals Match was the exposure of both pairs' real strengths.

I am a bit confused. Didn't Lee/Hwang win the German Open? :confused:

[cooler]

For your information, this is what I said: "I believe a better strategy for you is to say LD really got injured (which is not impossible by the way). "

I never said this match is fixed. I just said it's highly suspicious. Anything wrong or "biased" with that claim?

LCW may or may not fake injury during French Open but that doesn't lead to match-fixing suspicion because BCL or CJ were not cooperating. Now you should understand the difference I believe?

By the way, CJ would still get dis-credited if LD really is injured. Since everyone knows if LD is in his normal form, CJ would not have much chance.
you conspiracists are full of it. If LD was faking it, why did he still get his shots with his backhand? havent u notice LD was using backhand 2 to 3 times more often than normal in set 2? Of course he isnt playing 100%, because he can't and won't. Why risk compounding the injury going into the OG? At least he tried getting all the shots and not walking out or purposely hit shuttle into the net like TH. If lcw or TH was watching, they should be worried because today i saw new repertoire of play that i havent seen from LD before. LD lost marginally to CJ with only 60% of his max speed, and CJ can beat LCW convincingly. Need i say more?

[Birdwood]

The problem here is that 'Team China' is now reaping what they have sown. Their history of rather blatant match manipulation is now comming back to bite them as now any match between two Chinese players is viewed with a jaded eye by many. Personally, I don't care what goes on in these tournaments the professional game has been turned into a joke. I treat it as entertainment. It's fun to watch but I don't worry too much about who wins. Kind of like the way others watch professional wrestling.

Everyone can have a personal opinion on 'Team China'. BCers argue about their views to depth. But at the end of the day, we still trust our own judgment on facts, proofs, and beliefs (subject to different interpretation) or on lack of them. As to your attitude toward SS, in my opinion, it could be called - lack of passion :D

[Polar Bear]

Everyone can have a personal opinion on 'Team China'. BCers argue about their views to depth. But at the end of the day, we still trust our own judgment on facts, proofs, and beliefs (subject to different interpretation) or on lack of them. As to your attitude toward SS, in my opinion, it could be called - lack of passion :D


If only it was about judgments based of facts, proofs and beliefs. This arguing over match fixing is mainly based on nationalism and nothing more. You also forgot to mention past experience as one criteria. What convinced me of China's tendancy to manipulate matches was when I was able to look at the draw in a recent tournament and accuratly predict walkovers. Having said all this, I don't see anything weird about the results from the All Englands this year. (I've only seen the scores). As for a lack of passion? If only some of these others were as passionate about the game of badminton as I am! Rather than being passionate about the flag that appears beside the name of the player.

[fishyjojo]

two team kimchis take the title! :D (you guys crack me up, calling them "kimchis"). all hail coffee prince country!
i hope someone teaches jill how to correctly pronounce those korean names. the way she reads them irritates me. :p
i think morgen should always be right next to jill on the commentary box.
i gotta watch the replays later, especially mixed doubles.

[huangkwokhau]

So far in the first 3 SS, China had collected 6 titles ( 2 each from each SS)...LYB has the homework to do now.....as compare to last year, China had 11 titles ( 3 in MAS,4 in KOR and 4 in AE)

[huangkwokhau]

Poor CJ that get discounted for winning the All England title by the bias fans again. Doesn't matter if he win by a big margin or small but people still criticize China for match fixing. Oh well, did he beat LCW fair and sqaure? So can't he beat LD and not to mention it was a close game.

When LCW and TH fail to deliver the fans has lot of excuse for them whether they are not trying or they are tried. And when LD fail then it must be the evil LYB doing something bad.

Come on, if your countryman fail to enter to the final, blame your players, but don't blame China for the domination.

LYB is not evil, but the people who discount the winner's effort.

Shame on the bias ppl.


I did not read/find any excuses by TH 's fans when he lost to LCW....pls do not generalize it...

[cooler]

actually i wanted to see a rematch of LD and LHI but 4th stringer chen yu took LHI out on 1st round

[fishyjojo]

what do you, guys, think about lin dan's match against bao chun lai? was it in any way influenced by li yong bo?

[Birdwood]

If only it was about judgments based of facts, proofs and beliefs. This arguing over match fixing is mainly based on nationalism and nothing more. You also forgot to mention past experience as one criteria. What convinced me of China's tendancy to manipulate matches was when I was able to look at the draw in a recent tournament and accuratly predict walkovers. Having said all this, I don't see anything weird about the results from the All Englands this year. (I've only seen the scores). As for a lack of passion? If only some of these others were as passionate about the game of badminton as I am! Rather than being passionate about the flag that appears beside the name of the player.

As the many things you have mentioned, it's still a judgment in the eyes of the beholders, subject to interpretation as I said before. One might be able to predict walkovers in a SS, but again it's based on one's experience or opinion. Could it happen purely by chance? Yes. Would everyone come to the same conclusions? No. So I don't go around criticize ANY players or countries for what they do or not do regarding w/o. If it's legal and allowed under the rules, why the fusses. Anyone has additional facts to prove otherwise should bring the complaints to BWF for them to resolve. You, I, and other BCers don't make up the SS rules or meter out punishments for any infractions :cool:

As your passion for playing game, you may be right. I was referring to the latter in my previous post. BCers are not necessarily passionate players, but many are surely passionate for making comments (which I can see). It proves again there are wide varieties of people and attitude in the BC forum :rolleyes:

[huangkwokhau]

Lets see how LD is going to peform in next Swiss open....

[Birdwood]

Lets see how LD is going to peform in nest Swiss open....

He will recover just in time :D Will that make you feel any better :D:D:D

[huangkwokhau]

Poor CJ that get discounted for winning the All England title by the bias fans again. Doesn't matter if he win by a big margin or small but people still criticize China for match fixing. Oh well, did he beat LCW fair and sqaure? So can't he beat LD and not to mention it was a close game.

When LCW and TH fail to deliver the fans has lot of excuse for them whether they are not trying or they are tried. And when LD fail then it must be the evil LYB doing something bad.

Come on, if your countryman fail to enter to the final, blame your players, but don't blame China for the domination.

LYB is not evil, but the people who discount the winner's effort.

Shame on the bias ppl.



Pls read AE review thread by Jamesd20.........

[huangkwokhau]

He will recover just in time :D Will that make you any better :D:D:D
:D:D....What did I tell you ? I am right....:D:D

[hcyong]

As the many things you have mentioned, it's still a judgment in the eyes of the beholders, subject to interpretation as I said before. One might be able to predict walkovers in a SS, but again it's based on one's experience or opinion. Could it happen purely by chance? Yes. Would everyone come to the same conclusions? No. So I don't go around criticize ANY players or countries for what they do or not do regarding w/o. If it's legal and allowed under the rules, why the fusses. Anyone has additional facts to prove otherwise should bring the complaints to BWF for them to resolve. You, I, and other BCers don't make up the SS rules or meter out punishments for any infractions :cool:

As your passion for playing game, you may be right. I was referring to the latter in my previous post. BCers are not necessarily passionate players, but many are surely passionate for making comments (which I can see). It proves again there are wide varieties of people and attitude in the BC forum :rolleyes:

Judgement in the eyes of badminton fans matters. Judgement in the eyes of non-fans who wanted to watch a match or two matters.

[huangkwokhau]

So far. the winners of SS:

China: 6 titels
Korea: 4 titles
DEN : 2 titles
INA : 1
MAS : 1
HKG : 1

[hcyong]

So LD can't really be injured and only LCW can? Funny that you're telling me that you're open minded and not bias sometimes ago when you pin-point the Chinese team every single time.

Has it ever occured to anyone that maybe those who do NOT pin-point the Chinese team when something suspicious happens but instead will loudly defend the team, are the ones who are bias?

[hcyong]

two team kimchis take the title! :D (you guys crack me up, calling them "kimchis"). all hail coffee prince country!
i hope someone teaches jill how to correctly pronounce those korean names. the way she reads them irritates me. :p
i think morgen should always be right next to jill on the commentary box.
i gotta watch the replays later, especially mixed doubles.

If you want to read Korean names correctly, 'Lee' should really be read 'I' ('ee' instead of 'ai').

[hcyong]

Has it ever occured to anyone that maybe those who do NOT pin-point the Chinese team when something suspicious happens but instead will loudly defend the team, are the ones who are bias?

Well actually, I do not suspect the Chinese team per se, I am ok with the Chinese team. My suspicion points 100% at LYB.

[ye333]

That's exactly why I said it is not impossible that LD really has an injury. But you have to admit that the timing of this injury is too perfect to prevent ppl from being suspicious.

Let's assume LD's injury is real. Don't forget LCW too once beated CJ 21:8, 21:8 (literally) walking around with an injured leg. The thing is CJ's style. CJ has a pretty straightforward style emphasizing pure power and pure speed, and if his opponents can match his speed and can read his shots, he's doomed. If you watch the match, you see that LD predicts almost all of CJ's shots. That's why LD has so much time preparing for every shot and made CJ look stupid time after time.

As I always said, the most dangerous weapon LD has is his ability to read his opponents' shots. Since he is so familiar with his teammates, this ability makes him a nightmare for them, with CH the only exception. You can watch Korea Open 2007 final, LD just played half-heartedly with CJ for most of the time, and then easily won many points in a row when necessary.


you conspiracists are full of it. If LD was faking it, why did he still get his shots with his backhand? havent u notice LD was using backhand 2 to 3 times more often than normal in set 2? Of course he isnt playing 100%, because he can't and won't. Why risk compounding the injury going into the OG? At least he tried getting all the shots and not walking out or purposely hit shuttle into the net like TH. If lcw or TH was watching, they should be worried because today i saw new repertoire of play that i havent seen from LD before. LD lost marginally to CJ with only 60% of his max speed, and CJ can beat LCW convincingly. Need i say more?

[Birdwood]

Judgement in the eyes of badminton fans matters. Judgement in the eyes of non-fans who wanted to watch a match or two matters.


Has it ever occured to anyone that maybe those who do NOT pin-point the Chinese team when something suspicious happens but instead will loudly defend the team, are the ones who are bias?


Well actually, I do not suspect the Chinese team per se, I am ok with the Chinese team. My suspicion points 100% at LYB.

If it matters so much to you or anyone so much, why don't you bring the matter to BWF and ask them to change the rules? Instead of arguing here, where we have the rules to agree to disagree at certain point. I have no problem when anyone can prove to the world that Chn or any countries did anything not allowed under the rules in w/o and needs to be punished accordingly. Otherwise, we are just wasting time arguing back and forth whether LD had injury or not in AE 08 MSF. Suspicion is still suspicion no matter how long or how much you argue, which gave rise to the appearance of bias because your arguments are full of suspicions with no concrete proof.

[fishyjojo]

yes, i know that :)


If you want to read Korean names correctly, 'Lee' should really be read 'I' ('ee' instead of 'ai').

[madbad]

Has it ever occured to anyone that maybe those who do NOT pin-point the Chinese team when something suspicious happens but instead will loudly defend the team, are the ones who are bias?

I would have said it in a way that would have caused too much friction. Luckily we have hcyong. ;)

[Birdwood]

...i can feel this coming...i hope the latest discussion won't result in the thread being locked...:p

I hope so because I'm tired of hearing all the talk and no action and all the accusations and "supporting" arguments flying around with no proof either way :D

Personally, I did not expect an injury before the match, and was expecting a tough fight between the two in AE 08 MSF. But again, if LD said he's injured, I would not claim otherwise because nothing proved he wasn't :rolleyes:

[Birdwood]

I would have said it in a way that would have caused too much friction. Luckily we have hcyong. ;)

You further prove that you are a wiser man by staying out of this :D:D:D

Sometimes, ppl just have to agree to disagree ;)

[madbad]

You further prove that you are a wiser man by staying out of this :D:D:D

Sometimes, ppl just have to agree to disagree ;)

Wiser? Well, that's questionable ;):D

In the end I couldn't be bothered to be engaged in the potential of a long drawn out debate. However hcyong's observation is well put.

[huangkwokhau]

Wiser? Well, that's questionable ;):D

In the end I couldn't be bothered to be engaged in the potential of a long drawn out debate. However hcyong's observation is well put.
Please accept my apology as you did not retain your crown.....:D:D:D:D ( see how sincere I am...hehe)

[cooler]

That's exactly why I said it is not impossible that LD really has an injury. But you have to admit that the timing of this injury is too perfect to prevent ppl from being suspicious.

Let's assume LD's injury is real. Don't forget LCW too once beated CJ 21:8, 21:8 (literally) walking around with an injured leg. The thing is CJ's style. CJ has a pretty straightforward style emphasizing pure power and pure speed, and if his opponents can match his speed and can read his shots, he's doomed. If you watch the match, you see that LD predicts almost all of CJ's shots. That's why LD has so much time preparing for every shot and made CJ look stupid time after time.

As I always said, the most dangerous weapon LD has is his ability to read his opponents' shots. Since he is so familiar with his teammates, this ability makes him a nightmare for them, with CH the only exception. You can watch Korea Open 2007 final, LD just played half-heartedly with CJ for most of the time, and then easily won many points in a row when necessary.

well, with all the upsets in 08 AE, there was no real upsets in the MS. The 4 best MS players are all in the SF. Whether LD played half heartedly or not in the final, it doesnt matter to him or lyb because it will be china MS anyway. The real contest for lyb to guage his MS players were how LHI, TH and lcw gonna win or lose. Since CJ overcame one real threat to china MS in the OG, lcw, lyb can now focus on fixing the MD and WD. Yes lcw had beaten bcl, LD and CJ before but the ability to beat potential opponents few months before the OG has more importance to lyb.

[ye333]

It doesnt matter to LD, but definitely matter to LYB and CJ. It's 2000 Olympic points.


well, with all the upsets in 08 AE, there was no real upsets in the MS. The 4 best MS players are all in the SF. Whether LD played half heartedly or not in the final, it doesnt matter to him or lyb because it will be china MS anyway. The real contest for lyb to guage his MS players were how LHI, TH and lcw gonna win or lose. Since CJ overcame one real threat to china MS in the OG, lcw, lyb can now focus on fixing the MD and WD. Yes lcw had beaten bcl, LD and CJ before but the ability to beat potential opponents few months before the OG has more importance to lyb.

[madbad]

Please accept my apology as you did not retain your crown.....:D:D:D:D ( see how sincere I am...hehe)

I will accept a couple of beers over a sincere apology :D:D:D

[pjswift]

It doesnt matter to LD, but definitely matter to LYB and CJ. It's 2000 Olympic points.
It matters to LD the most because it may increase his chance of the OG08 gold.LD has never won a title when there are only 2 or even 3 CHN MS in the tournament.(BUt I may be wrong).Ultimately, LD may be the beneficiary of his unfortunate loss but it may turn out to be a real loss.Like Robin7 said, still no title for LD after 3 SS...Unbelievable.

[Oldhand]

...Since CJ overcame one real threat to china MS in the OG, lcw, lyb can now focus on fixing the MD and WD.
Not literally, I hope :rolleyes:


Yes lcw had beaten bcl, LD and CJ before but the ability to beat potential opponents few months before the OG has more importance to lyb.

That's quite an interesting observation.
Perhaps we will see more 'testing' at the Swiss Open ;)

[pjswift]

well, with all the upsets in 08 AE, there was no real upsets in the MS. The 4 best MS players are all in the SF. Whether LD played half heartedly or not in the final, it doesnt matter to him or lyb because it will be china MS anyway. The real contest for lyb to guage his MS players were how LHI, TH and lcw gonna win or lose. Since CJ overcame one real threat to china MS in the OG, lcw, lyb can now focus on fixing the MD and WD. Yes lcw had beaten bcl, LD and CJ before but the ability to beat potential opponents few months before the OG has more importance to lyb.
LYB's gonna need a lot of help.He has to focus on fixing MS,WS,XD,MD and even WD now.Wow,suddenly, that's all the events.LYB gotta work overtime and that still would not solve the problem.

[ye333]

Well, I missed one point. This AE title really matters to LD since it would be his 5th consecutive AE final and 4th AE title. One more and he is above Morten Frost and only below Rudy Hartono.


It matters to LD the most because it may increase his chance of the OG08 gold.LD has never won a title when there are only 2 or even 3 CHN MS in the tournament.(BUt I may be wrong).Ultimately, LD may be the beneficiary of his unfortunate loss but it may turn out to be a real loss.Like Robin7 said, still no title for LD after 3 SS...Unbelievable.