AE 2008 Final Review

[jamesd20]

MS: Lin Dan Vs Chen Jin

Boring match. Kudos to CJ for reaching the final, and Beating LCW & Sony.........but IMHO Lin wasn't injured. From the very begginning he was shaking he Left leg, but During rallies he was his usual self, the only difference I notice was he wasn't injecting pace into the rallies to finish them.

When exactly did he get injured? he was showing top gear against BCL yesterday, so persumably he must have injured his knee in the warm up this morning.

In the very begginning of the match (I think 4-3) He had a Mid court high shuttle, did a huge jump then pulled out to drop it, and mishit it. This set the tone for the match. He didn't seem interested in winning, only making it look good. In the second game in setting he gave the points away. on the match point he had numerous oppurtunities to attack but didn't, preferring just to clear and invite CJ's attack.

I will say only this: When people are injured and they want to win, they don't give away easy points, they go for winners, and hope they fall in because it hurts to move and play properly. Lin did the opposite, he played a long game of clears and no attack. Especially with a knee injury you would just not do this.

XD: Zheng/Gao vs Nova/Lilyana

ZB/GL were clearly the better pair, but for a few minor ammendments to their game this would have been a comprehensive victory for them. They are more mobile and better defending than Nova/Lilyana but were much slower on the return of serve and because they backed off the net area NW/LN controlled this area. As soon as they stopped blocking to the net (which inevitably meant them lifting) and started pushing off and attacking it, they put INA in trouble.

CHN are not powerful but are consistent and work their opponents. CHN unsettled INA in the Latter 2nd game and G3 by flick serving their opponents who had been very aggressive in their returns earlier in the match.

WS: Lu Lan Vs Tine Rasmussen

If I were LYB I would worry. Previously when CHN WS players lost it was because they were either unlucky, their oppnents were in the form of ther life or they just had a bad day. In this match Lu Lan lost because Tine is simply a better player.

Lu Lan could not rally with Tine, beacause she struggled to cover the whole court. Sometimes even just 3 consecutive clears and Lu Lan was out of the rally.

LL had at least 8 points from Tines' simple unforced errors, and still she was well off the pace. LL was also unable to cope with TRs' attack even straight from the serve she struggled to return it, and when she did she was forced to lift it, when blocking it and moving tine away from the rear court was the better option. TR is very strong in the rear court, either drop, clear or smash, so the first tactic should have been to take her away from this region. LL Didn't and se has paid the price.

WD: LHJ/LKW vs DJ/YY

Du/Yu were on fire in the opening exchanges of the first two games, and the match was actually very close in the end. The critical period was at 13/14 all in the third game. LHJ made a string of unbelievable smash returns and winners and those 3/4 points left Du/Yu with too much to do. Du/Yu are much faster and powerful, but the only problem with this game is that it cannot be maintained throughout a full 3 set match, even in RPS. When Du/Yu tired, the smashes were less penentrating and the increased rally length favoured the KOR Pair.

A deserved victory, and quite emotional for LKW who has tried for many years to beat the CHN WD pairs and finally has a big victory to savour. If they play like today she may have another in the OG.

MD: Lee/Jung vs Lee/Hwang

A good match which was well fought by both pairs, similar as the WD the match was very evenly balanced up until 14 points in the thirds when a few lose errors from LJJ gifted LYD/JJS a cushion which they did not relinquish.

For most of the match though Lee/Hwang were the better pair, the two KOR Pairs are quite even in defence, but Lee/Hwang are definitely superior in attack at both the front and the back they have more power. Ther was also an intresting battle at the net between LeeJJ and Lee YD, and I think LJJ shaded it slightly. Out of the four players JJS is the weakest, and this puts pressure on LYD to do sometihng special, which he often can do, but it should not be relied upon.

All in all a good days play, but the MS was a real dissapointment for me.

[molohov]

totally agree with you on the MS final. I couldn't help but feel, because i had read something like it in another post, that CJ was destined to win (because of LYB's decision) and LD was just playing along trying to make it look like he was trying.

i'm trying to get the MD final. you make it sound pretty good :)

[jhirata]

The MS Final went as predicted.

[Konnichiwa]

yeah ill agree on the MS final as i just saw it... i can only really sum it up by this = O_o ... i dont know if lin dan was really injured as some of the shots he pulled off were pretty impressive and usually people who have injuries on the court try not to show it off as sometimes he was stretching it out or limping or something... in my opinion that was just to play to the crowd. quite a disspointment and this is why i hate all chinese finals as they usually dissapoint the fans but oh well what are you going to do. :rolleyes:

[ants]

The Mens singles match was a giveaway. Even pros notice it.

[pjswift]

Thanks,Jamesd20 for your excellent reviews.Enjoyed them very much.

[jimbo]

The MS Final went as predicted.

Absolutely agree. As far as OG08 points are concerned, I think 90% of BCers could predict that CJ would walk away as a winner. Thanks to the "director" behind the scene and the "Oscar Winner for the Best Actor". :rolleyes:

[molohov]

The Mens singles match was a giveaway. Even pros notice it.

it was extremely noticable from Chen Jin's reaction afterwards. I mean, come on, if you win the all england you should at least celebrate, shouldnt' you? his reaction was near nothing.

[jack200603]

I've found this years AE is not as good as previous ones: with less competitive and thrilling matches our appetite has not been fulfilled even after the finish.

[cooler]

MS: Lin Dan Vs Chen Jin

Boring match. Kudos to CJ for reaching the final, and Beating LCW & Sony.........but IMHO Lin wasn't injured. From the very begginning he was shaking he Left leg, but During rallies he was his usual self, the only difference I notice was he wasn't injecting pace into the rallies to finish them.

When exactly did he get injured? he was showing top gear against BCL yesterday, so persumably he must have injured his knee in the warm up this morning.

In the very begginning of the match (I think 4-3) He had a Mid court high shuttle, did a huge jump then pulled out to drop it, and mishit it. This set the tone for the match. He didn't seem interested in winning, only making it look good. In the second game in setting he gave the points away. on the match point he had numerous oppurtunities to attack but didn't, preferring just to clear and invite CJ's attack.

I will say only this: When people are injured and they want to win, they don't give away easy points, they go for winners, and hope they fall in because it hurts to move and play properly. Lin did the opposite, he played a long game of clears and no attack. Especially with a knee injury you would just not do this.

since u had watched it live, i have to give u more weighting on your review. It goes to show how good LD really is right now compared to his peers and opponents. I did not watch the semfinal but at least from other people comments, LD did played seriously against bcl and the audience got to see him in top form. Thanks for the live wrap up.

[ye333]

It's reported that CJ said AE is just another SS and is not at the same level as those "big" tournaments. That's why he barely celebrated. :eek:

Personally I am surprised to hear that. We can just find the AE04 final video and watch how LD celebrated his first AE title. And don't forget LD before AE04 is already among the very best and CJ hasn't yet.


it was extremely noticable from Chen Jin's reaction afterwards. I mean, come on, if you win the all england you should at least celebrate, shouldnt' you? his reaction was near nothing.

[cooler]

It's reported that CJ said AE is just another SS and is not at the same level as those "big" tournaments. That's why he barely celebrated. :eek:

Personally I am surprised to hear that. We can just find the AE04 final video and watch how LD celebrated his first AE title. And don't forget LD before AE04 is already among the very best and CJ hasn't yet.
but this year is the olympic year, all other tournaments aren't big in comparison

[ye333]

Well, 2004 is also Olympic year. Either there is something suspicious, or CJ is the most ambitious young man of all times in badminton circuit (to "celebrate" like he did after his very first AE title!).


but this year is the olympic year, all other tournaments aren't big in comparison

[cooler]

Well, 2004 is also Olympic year. Either there is something suspicious, or CJ is the most ambitious young man of all times in badminton circuit (to "celebrate" like he did after his very first AE title!).
CJ doesnt celebrate like LD, period:rolleyes:

[badMania]

Well, 2004 is also Olympic year. Either there is something suspicious, or CJ is the most ambitious young man of all times in badminton circuit (to "celebrate" like he did after his very first AE title!).

Both players said it all in their postmatch interviews (can be found at sina.com.cn).

　令人意外的是，陈金在赢了后并未表现得很兴奋:“林丹受到膝伤影响，发挥并不好。而且全英赛冠军也不是世 锦赛冠军。”林丹却很为队友高兴:“我更看重中国队整体实力的提升，陈金获得积分对于国家队备战奥运很重要 。”至于伤势，林丹表示早晨起床时就感到左膝盖疼，目前尚不知是否会影响自己参加下周开战的瑞 士公开赛。

Surprisingly, after winning the title, Chen Jin did not look too excited: "Lin Dan was affected by the knee injury and could not perform to his true potential. Anyway, the All-England title is NOT the World Championships :eek::cool:" However, Lin Dan was happy for his teammates: "I put more importance on the overall rise in the whole Chinese team's performance, Chen Jin's victory and the points that come with it WERE IMPORTANT TO the preparation for the Olympics." As for his injury, Lin Dan expressed that he felt a pain in his left knee when he woke up in the morning :eek::o;). It's still not clear at the moment whether that will affect his preparation for the Swiss Open next wee.

That was pretty clear, isn't it, coming from the mouths of both players??? Chen Jin felt that his victory was "gifted", while Lin Dan obviously put the Olympics pts above his own personal glory...really a team player!

[jimbo]

CJ doesnt celebrate like LD, period:rolleyes:

so how does CJ celebrate? ;)

[badMania]

so how does CJ celebrate? ;)

He certainly celebrated with style after beating Taufik Hidayat in the Macau Open Final ;) Oh...he must be worried abt Lin Dan's injury :o:eek:

[ye333]

You can check China Masters 2006 and Swiss Open 2007.


so how does CJ celebrate? ;)

[badMania]

You can check China Masters 2006 and Swiss Open 2007.

Definitely not as muted as this one :p;)

[jimbo]

You can check China Masters 2006 and Swiss Open 2007.

Sorry, I couldnt recall. Care to enlightened me? :p

[badMania]

Oh Well, the All-England title is not AS IMPORTANT as the Macau Open or Swoss Open titles to Chen Jin :o

[jimbo]

He certainly celebrated with style after beating Taufik Hidayat in the Macau Open Final ;) Oh...he must be worried abt Lin Dan's injury :o:eek:

Regardless of the "fake" injuries or "scripted", CJ is a human afterall, and winning AE for the first time should be jubilous, if not exhilirating. He didnt show much emotions at all, as if winning his 10th AE (it was his FIRST AE, if i'm not mistaken!!!) :rolleyes:

I recall BCL jumping like monkeys when he broke the duck by winning the CO07 (regardless of the "intentional calls") and obviously, he showed emotions as he should had.

Again, CJ doesnt deserve the "supporting role" in the Oscar ;)

[Han]

Why read and speculate so much into why Lin Dan lost to Chen Jin, it could be Lin Dan had a off day just like Chong Wei, could be LYB factor, could be Chen Jin outplayed Lin Dan ... The bottom line is the foreign players are the one who put Chinese in the position to have such option! If Chong Wei didn't have a off day and Lee Hyun Il didn't bow out in early round then this might be avoided.
Women double is a perfect example, 3 Chinese pairs in semi and the Koreans took that option away and created one of the most exciting matches in recent final. Credit to Lee Kyung Won and Lee Hyo Jung!
Why no one complain about the exhibition games by the MD Koreans? You think the Korean would not have exercised their "right" if one of the pair really need the point to qualify for Olympic?
The only reason Chong Wei did not exercise the same on Hafiz/Choon Hann is because we don't have that luxury to have 2 players in the prestigious final or simply, we are not good enough.
Lets move forward and enjoy the Swiss Open.

[ye333]

Well, ppl will complain if for example LYD just walked around and play at 50% or 60%.



Why no one complain about the exhibition games by the MD Koreans? You think the Korean would not have exercised their "right" if one of the pair really need the point to qualify for Olympic?
The only reason Chong Wei did not exercise the same on Hafiz/Choon Hann is because we don't have that luxury to have 2 players in the prestigious final or simply, we are not good enough.
Lets move forward and enjoy the Swiss Open.

[weekey]

a fantastic review I totally agree with, thanks james! Personally, the only match I was really disappointed of was the WS. This was the first time I saw Tina played. Apart from her aggressive playing style, she showed nothing impressive. The game was rather intense, but not good. There were way too many unforced errors from both players. LL's footwork was so terrible that she struggled to return Tina's drop shots almost every time, especially drops to her front forehand corner. after 6,7 points of the third game, I started to beg the two players to finish this match sooner. It was a match I would certainly not watch again.

[shanisen3200]

Regardless of the "fake" injuries or "scripted", CJ is a human afterall, and winning AE for the first time should be jubilous, if not exhilirating. He didnt show much emotions at all, as if winning his 10th AE (it was his FIRST AE, if i'm not mistaken!!!) :rolleyes:

I recall BCL jumping like monkeys when he broke the duck by winning the CO07 (regardless of the "intentional calls") and obviously, he showed emotions as he should had.

Again, CJ doesnt deserve the "supporting role" in the Oscar ;)


and LYB should deserve "best director" ???:D

[abedeng]

Agree with weekey, it's really like Tine didn't need to work to win, Lu Lan was to tense to give a decent challenge. Still Tine almost lost it as her concentration wavers due to lack of challenge .... she was much better having to fight for victory, in Malaysia (when she got injured mid game) and Japan. Morten Frost had to "telepathically" tell her what to do in the last few rallies .....

Still, CHN have not won a Super Series in 2008 yet ..... and non-CHN WS players have upstaged CHN 5-3 since after the world championships.

[abedeng]

Best performance is from WD. The Koreans are back at the position they once held in the 80s and 90s, just before Ge Fei/Gu Jun era until now. On equal footing with China's best.

First time in a long time that I cannot fault LHJ's form ..... and the way they won the AE is similar to how WMC and Tine won China Open & Japan Open WS crowns, beating a range of CHN opponents one after another.

[Tommy Susanto]

Regardless of the "fake" injuries or "scripted", CJ is a human afterall, and winning AE for the first time should be jubilous, if not exhilirating. He didnt show much emotions at all, as if winning his 10th AE (it was his FIRST AE, if i'm not mistaken!!!) :rolleyes:

I recall BCL jumping like monkeys when he broke the duck by winning the CO07 (regardless of the "intentional calls") and obviously, he showed emotions as he should had.

Again, CJ doesnt deserve the "supporting role" in the Oscar ;)

Ar...Kendrick Lee beat CJ twice and now the latter is an AE champ:pI suppose you have an upset stomach:DGet well soon and get it over with, jimmy;)

[morphy]

MS: Lin Dan Vs Chen Jin
During rallies he was his usual self, the only difference I notice was he wasn't injecting pace into the rallies to finish them.
...
he had numerous oppurtunities to attack but didn't, preferring just to clear and invite CJ's attack.
...
Lin did the opposite, he played a long game of clears and no attack. Especially with a knee injury you would just not do this.
...
All in all a good days play, but the MS was a real dissapointment for me.

CJ must be thinking to himself: "Wait a minute, I thought I beat LCW already in the semis, but here I am playing him again..WTF?!" :confused: :D

[taufikk]

LYB - best director
LD - best actor
CJ - best actor in a supporting role
Myself - enjoyed the movie not the game

[jimbo]

Ar...Kendrick Lee beat CJ twice and now the latter is an AE champ:pI suppose you have an upset stomach:DGet well soon and get it over with, jimmy;)

No worries mate. I did have a "weird" feeling when the kimchi crashed the "tomboys" in G3 and walked away with the WD title. I thought the tomboys would had eaten the kimchi, ALIVE :D

If u read most of the predictions by BCers on the MS Final, most of us would have predicted CJ to "win", just a matter of "how". As far as OG08 points are concerned, we aint dump, Mr.LYB :rolleyes:

[cooler]

Ar...Kendrick Lee beat CJ twice and now the latter is an AE champ:pI suppose you have an upset stomach:DGet well soon and get it over with, jimmy;)it's about peaking at the right time..ie the right months in the right year

[cooler]

No worries mate. I did have a "weird" feeling when the kimchi crashed the "tomboys" in G3 and walked away with the WD title. I thought the tomboys would had eaten the kimchi, ALIVE :D

If u read most of the predictions by BCers on the MS Final, most of us would have predicted CJ to "win", just a matter of "how". As far as OG08 points are concerned, we aint dump, Mr.LYB :rolleyes:
there's still time for lyb to work on the WD and MS.
Watch out those tomboys after some benchpressing and leg presses:p

[jimbo]

there's still time for lyb to work on the WD and MS.
Watch out those tomboys after some benchpressing and leg presses:p

Absolutely... I expect the tomboys to dominate in years to come, providing they dun let their hairs "grow" :D

[cooler]

LYB - best director
LD - best actor
CJ - best actor in a supporting role
Myself - enjoyed the movie not the game

this is not the such first award for lyb.
why not learn it from the best?
btw, dont rule out LB and LYB in the movie business when they retire.

[ctjcad]

..thanks again for sharing your personal insights, jamesd20...And you almost got all your predictions of the winners correct..;)

...
Still, CHN have not won a Super Series in 2008 yet ..... and non-CHN WS players have upstaged CHN 5-3 since after the world championships.
..gotta be a typo, i'm sure you meant to write "Still, CHN WS players have not won a SS in 2008..." ;)

[huangkwokhau]

it was extremely noticable from Chen Jin's reaction afterwards. I mean, come on, if you win the all england you should at least celebrate, shouldnt' you? his reaction was near nothing.
CJ celebrated in style after beating TH in Macau Open..........dont tell me that AE is not important event..so why participated in this event and next event then:confused::confused::confused:... as usual suspect...some just know how to talk....without watching the matches...

[robin7]

MS: Lin Dan Vs Chen Jin - Boring match.

MD: Lee/Jung vs Lee/Hwang - A good match which was well fought by both pairs...

I thought it should be the other around. LD-CJ match was entertaining as both players "really" put up a good show.:rolleyes: On the other hand, LYD/JJS-HJM/LJJ was boring and not exciting at all.:(

[jimbo]

I thought it should be the other around. LD-CJ match was entertaining as both players "really" put up a good show.:rolleyes: On the other hand, LYD/JJS-HJM/LJJ was boring and not exciting at all.:(

I did enjoy the MD Final... those kimchi can really "lompat tinggi tinggi" and "Hantam kuat kuat" (jump high high, hit hard hard) :eek::p Not forgetting the tomboys :D

[george@chongwei]

yeah, i like the md match between lee/jung vs lee/hwang...

lee jae jin and hwang ji man smash i like to see the most...they jump like superman and smash very hard...can challenge fu hai feng..

[Foreverlove]

I saw the emotional celebration from Chen Jin after he beat Lee Chong Wei, that was a preponderant victory, and this victory secued the Winner of MS for Chinese team.

Xie Xingfang didn't attend the Japan open because she fell in bath room and had her wrist injured, how can you be so sure that LD wasn't really injured?(remember they need to have fitness training everyday)

Plus, If you say Lee Chong wei has a off day, then why LD cound't? ?

Okey, one step back, assume he is not injured or not that seriously.
Then
Tactical, for LD's own benifit, if you think that LD can take CJ down quite easily, and LD think in this way as well, then let one more such team mate to block the players such as LCW or TFK, which can give himself more chance to win the Olympic MS (remember this is the only medal he hasn't got, and also the most important one to himself), then why does he have to fight for such a title he had got several times and reduce his own opportunity to win the biggest honour?

Mordern sports demands player not only fitness strong but mentally, psychological and tactically strong. I have to say this is a clever move for LD if he is not injured but just did this on purpose.
He is clever,
and,
A stupid player will never be world NO.1.

[dannyang]

I thought it should be the other around. LD-CJ match was entertaining as both players "really" put up a good show.:rolleyes: On the other hand, LYD/JJS-HJM/LJJ was boring and not exciting at all.:(

I did enjoy the MS, it was entertaining.

[jimbo]

I have to say this is a clever move for LD if he is not injured but just did this on purpose.
He is clever,
and,
A stupid player will never be world NO.1.

One doesnt need to be Einstein to figure it out why LD "lost", regardless of if he was "injured" or "sharping up his Oscar Best Actor award". It doesnt matter coz he knew that he would rather has one more teamate (CJ) to block others (LCW/TH/Gade/etc...) rather than taking risks losing to "others".

Most of us "watched" the game, and I do believe that we also watched many of LD's games with our naked eyes. We know how to analyse the games, and certainly know the meaning of "kelong" (in Msia or Singapore, it means "fake matches").

But I must agree with you that A stupid player will never be world No.1. Well said :)

[eaglehelang]

I thought it should be the other around. LD-CJ match was entertaining as both players "really" put up a good show.:rolleyes: On the other hand, LYD/JJS-HJM/LJJ was boring and not exciting at all.:(

kah kah kah, that was a good one, robin7, yup, MS was entertaining at certain parts.:D
XD was heart stopping (imagine our Huang running away from the PC screen at crucial points, he he)
WS & WD were exciting enuf.

[jamesd20]

Well, 2004 is also Olympic year. Either there is something suspicious, or CJ is the most ambitious young man of all times in badminton circuit (to "celebrate" like he did after his very first AE title!).


I think the difference in MS final 2004 and 2008 is that LD was playing PG (not a teammate)

cjctad: Yes I Predicted almost correctly..........from Day 2 No less.....hurray!!

[ye333]

According to some report, LD said his knee injury is an old injury. He woke up in the morning and felt the pain.

My knee often hurts too. To the extent that I often cannot walk properly. But "mysteriously" I don't feel the pain when I play. The thing I did is to put on some knee support (real knee-support, not tapes like LD has), and then do enough warm-up and (most importantly) concentrate on the match.

So even if LD's injury is just like mine (which is minor), he still didn't need to fake anything. As long as he was thinking about the knee all the time and did not have strong knee support, he would indeed feel the pain often.


I saw the emotional celebration from Chen Jin after he beat Lee Chong Wei, that was a preponderant victory, and this victory secued the Winner of MS for Chinese team.

Xie Xingfang didn't attend the Japan open because she fell in bath room and had her wrist injured, how can you be so sure that LD wasn't really injured?(remember they need to have fitness training everyday)

Plus, If you say Lee Chong wei has a off day, then why LD cound't? ?

Okey, one step back, assume he is not injured or not that seriously.
Then
Tactical, for LD's own benifit, if you think that LD can take CJ down quite easily, and LD think in this way as well, then let one more such team mate to block the players such as LCW or TFK, which can give himself more chance to win the Olympic MS (remember this is the only medal he hasn't got, and also the most important one to himself), then why does he have to fight for such a title he had got several times and reduce his own opportunity to win the biggest honour?

Mordern sports demands player not only fitness strong but mentally, psychological and tactically strong. I have to say this is a clever move for LD if he is not injured but just did this on purpose.
He is clever,
and,
A stupid player will never be world NO.1.

[Whipper]

It's funny that buch of people here turn out to be judgemental with solid subjective principles as below:

1. Chen jin is no more than an ordinary good player, he will be no where near super stardom, regardless of his victory against LCW and unrevealed future.

2. LCW may loss out to CJ coz it's sports.
Lin Dan can't loss to CJ coz CJ is inferior.

3. LD was on his game against BCL so next game it's impossible for him to be disturbed by his old injury.

4. if you dont like what you see in a game with chinese part,it must be due to LYB's unsportsmanship.

It was a long march for LD last night, he was even not in normal pace and stayed longer on the ground after several times diving across the court. he finished the game with many breathtaking saves under the sustaining pressure by ChenJin,and finally congratulated Chen Jin when the game was over, and you people still wanna find fault with him.

Being a badminton amateur, you may know it's stupid to do backcourt smash when you can't catch up (ie.leg injury) a returning netplay.

Being badminton buffs, you may also need some sportsmanship.

[samuel882]

1992 AE
Zhao Jian Hua famous lost to teammates Lui Jun
anyone can recall that match?
That's oso an Olympic year. That lost almost guarantee China have fully occupied 3 MS Slots . ZJW, YY & LJ
However, CJ nows is more like Ji Xin Peng on the 2000 OG, the 3rd MS from CHINA, nobody give him any hopes before the games and yet he able to stunt the world and bring the glory home..

[ye333]

Is there anyone who is trying to fault LD? :eek: LD sacrificed his 4th AE title for the team (a more "selfish" explanation: for the greater chance of his OG title). Is there anyone said CJ is "no more than an ordinary good player"? CJ is a very strong player. But just watch the MS Final, LD knew CJ's every move. And when LD moved, CJ had difficulty defending. When your opponent is 1. faster, 2. has better skill, 3. knows almost all your moves, how could you win?

As I said, LD's ability to read shots make him a nightmare for his teammates. So although CJ is a very good player, it's unfortunate that he is in the same team.

Injured or not, LD obviously showed his superiority yesterday.


It's funny that buch of people here turn out to be judgemental with solid subjective principles as below:

1. Chen jin is no more than an ordinary good player, he will be no where near super stardom, regardless of his victory against LCW and unrevealed future.

2. LCW may loss out to CJ coz it's sports.
Lin Dan can't loss to CJ coz CJ is inferior.

3. LD was on his game against BCL so next game it's impossible for him to be disturbed by his old injury.

4. if you dont like what you see in a game with chinese part,it must be due to LYB's unsportsmanship.

It was a long march for LD last night, he was even not in normal pace and stayed longer on the ground after several times diving across the court. he finished the game with many breathtaking saves under the sustaining pressure by ChenJin,and finally congratulated Chen Jin when the game was over, and you people still wanna find fault with him.

Being a badminton amateur, you may know it's stupid to do backcourt smash when you can't catch up (ie.leg injury) a returning netplay.

Being badminton buffs, you may also need some sportsmanship.

[ye333]

Oh yes. Being a ZJH fan, I have been looking for the video of that match for a long time... But now I know that it's a fixed one. :(


1992 AE
Zhao Jian Hua famous lost to teammates Lui Jun
anyone can recall that match?
That's oso an Olympic year. That lost almost guarantee China have fully occupied 3 MS Slots . ZJW, YY & LJ
However, CJ nows is more like Ji Xin Peng on the 2000 OG, the 3rd MS from CHINA, nobody give him any hopes before the games and yet he able to stunt the world and bring the glory home..

[Dreamzz]

1992 AE
Zhao Jian Hua famous lost to teammates Lui Jun
anyone can recall that match?
That's oso an Olympic year. That lost almost guarantee China have fully occupied 3 MS Slots . ZJW, YY & LJ
However, CJ nows is more like Ji Xin Peng on the 2000 OG, the 3rd MS from CHINA, nobody give him any hopes before the games and yet he able to stunt the world and bring the glory home..

yeah, ah, memories ...
all of us watching the finals at that time thought that ZJH had thrown the game away, though nothing was ever proved, of course, and in the end it didn't really matter too much.

[pjswift]

[quote=Whipper;814773]It's funny that buch of people here turn out to be judgemental with solid subjective principles as below:

It was a long march for LD last night, he was even not in normal pace and stayed longer on the ground after several times diving across the court. he finished the game with many breathtaking saves under the sustaining pressure by ChenJin,and finally congratulated Chen Jin when the game was over, and you people still wanna find fault with him.
Was quite surprised by LD's acrobatic ability despite his poor knee.My guess is the TCM doctor advised him to maximise body contact with the floor, both in terms of surface area and frequency,so that the pain will be spread out instead of concentrated in the knee spot.This must be performed in the MSF for full effectiveness and not his hotel room floor.He guaranteed LD will recover fully for the SWO next week but warned that the injury may flare up if he should meet CJ in the MSF again because CJ has too much 'qi".

[cooler]

It was a long march for LD last night, he was even not in normal pace and stayed longer on the ground after several times diving across the court. he finished the game with many breathtaking saves under the sustaining pressure by ChenJin,and finally congratulated Chen Jin when the game was over, and you people still wanna find fault with him.
Was quite surprised by LD's acrobatic ability despite his poor knee.My guess is the TCM doctor advised him to maximise body contact with the floor, both in terms of surface area and frequency,so that the pain will be spread out instead of concentrated in the knee spot.This must be performed in the MSF for full effectiveness and not his hotel room floor.He guaranteed LD will recover fully for the SWO next week but warned that the injury may flare up if he should meet CJ in the MSF again because CJ has too much 'qi".
maybe LD isn't arrogant like others think he is, he at least put in an effort to play and didn't walkout or hit shuttles into the net purposely:rolleyes:

[cooler]

Is there anyone who is trying to fault LD? :eek: LD sacrificed his 4th AE title for the team (a more "selfish" explanation: for the greater chance of his OG title). Is there anyone said CJ is "no more than an ordinary good player"? CJ is a very strong player. But just watch the MS Final, LD knew CJ's every move. And when LD moved, CJ had difficulty defending. When your opponent is 1. faster, 2. has better skill, 3. knows almost all your moves, how could you win?

As I said, LD's ability to read shots make him a nightmare for his teammates. So although CJ is a very good player, it's unfortunate that he is in the same team.

Injured or not, LD obviously showed his superiority yesterday.
in the interview LD said:
1. happy of CJ victory and it was good the team got the olympic qualifying points
2. he felt pain on his left knee that morning

hmmm, why are you so one sided and believe one part of LD's interview while totally disregard what he said about his knee pain? It shows that u are not making a 'balanced review' but rather furthering your own little confused agenda

[kwun]

looks like this thread has degraded to finger pointing. it is now closed.

you guys are not trying hard enough to be good boys and girls. ;)