A live broadcast of the draw will be conducted at the Trans TV studio on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 at 1500 hours local time. Trans TV is the host broadcaster for the championships.

does anyone knows what is the link to Trans TV?

www.indline.com (http://www.indline.com)

Try this....you may watch Metro and Trans TV

nobody is gonna watch the draw?:confused::rolleyes:

Really weird, there's no LIVE broadcast of TUC 2008 Final Drawing in TransTV today's program. Check this website : www.transtv.co.id (http://www.transtv.co.id)

i cant acess to trans tv live streaming....:crying::crying::crying:

Trans TV live: China in an VERY VERY VERY easy group... that includes Canada and Nigeria!!!

Here's the complete final draw of TUC 2008 :

THOMAS Cup:

Group A
China (1)
Canada
Nigeria

Group B
Malaysia (3)
South Korea
England

Group C
Denmark(4)
Japan
New Zealand

Group D
Indonesia (2)
Thailand
Germany

UBER Cup :

Group A
China (1)
Germany
USA

Group B
South Korea (3)
Hongkong
South Africa

Group C
Malaysia (4)
Denmark
New Zealand

Group D
Japan (2)
Indonesia
Netherlands

source : TransTV LIVE broadcast (thx a lot to my friend SMS)

-What an unfavourable draw for INA Uber team!

Malaysia not easy as well for UBER CUP. For Thomas Cup.. the only Hurdle is South Korea.

Trans TV live: China in an VERY VERY VERY easy group... that includes Canada and Nigeria!!!
where can watch trans tv, krisna?

oh no...Malaysia had drawn in group b with south korea and england in the thomas cup..!!!
its very tough men!! if compared to china and indonesia...

I just heard from the organizers:
A1 will wait for C3 vs. D2
B1 will wait for C2 vs. D3
the winner will face each other to go to the finals

C1 will wait for A2 vs. B3
D1 will wait for A3 vs. B2
the winner will face each other to go to the finals

This applies for both Thomas and Uber.

Note:
A1 = 1st place finish in group A
A2 = 2nd place finish in group A
A3 = 3rd place finish in group A

Possible Draws

Thomas Cup

1st half
China vs Winner between New Zealand vs Thailand
Malaysia vs Winner between Japan vs Germany

2nd Half
Denmark vs Winner between Canada vs England
Indonesia vs Winner between South Korea or Nigeria


Uber Cup

1st Half
China vs Winner between NewZealand vs Indonesia
South Korea vs Winner between Denmark vs Netherlands

2nd Half
Malaysia vs Winner between Germany vs South Africa
Japan vs Winner between Hong Kong vs USA

where can watch trans tv, krisna?

In Indonesia, george... :p Anyway, the live broadcast is over now...

oh no...Malaysia had drawn in group b with south korea and england in the thomas cup..!!!
its very tough men!! if compared to china and indonesia...

Hehe...lucky INA :p

Possible Draws

Thomas Cup

1st half
China vs Winner between New Zealand vs Thailand
Malaysia vs Winner between Japan vs Germany

2nd Half
Denmark vs Winner between Canada vs England
Indonesia vs Winner between South Korea or Nigeria



CHN cannot get an easier road to the semifinals than this... :p Lucky them...
On the other hand, South Korea cannot get a harder road to the semifinals than this... :p



Uber Cup

1st Half
China vs Winner between NewZealand vs Indonesia
South Korea vs Winner between Denmark vs Netherlands

2nd Half
Malaysia vs Winner between Germany vs South Africa
Japan vs Winner between Hong Kong vs USA

Yup... if I were the INA team manager, I would try to avoid China... either by winning the group [unlikely] or loosing all the group contest and become number 3 in group D [very do-able yet very embarrasing... ha ha ha]... :p

Potential Group Winners and Runners-Up:
THOMAS CUP
Group A
China (1) -- no question
Canada -- madbad will be relieved that Canada will surely thrash lowly Nigeria

Group B -- GROUP OF DEATH :eek:
Malaysia (3)
South Korea -- Korea will be involved in a dog-fight for top spot with MAS, like INA last time in 2006 (which INA won)

Group C
Denmark (4) -- I don't see Denmark losing out to Japan
Japan

Group D
Indonesia (2) -- should be a comfortable ride for INA, but, Thailand's first single (Boonsak Ponsana) and double (Sudket Prapakamol/Phattapol Ngensrisuk) might pose a slight problem :o
Thailand

Potential Play-Offs Matches
C3 (New Zealand) vs D2 (Thailand) -- surely Thailand to nick this one!
C2 (Japan) vs D3 (Germany) -- Japan to qualify for QF!
A2 (Canada) vs B3 (England) -- England to win!
A3 (Nigeria) vs B2 (Malaysia or Korea) -- surely...Malaysia or Korea....no doubt!

Potential QF Matches:
A1 (China) vs C3/D2 (Thailand) -- China to stroll to SF
B1 (Malaysia or Korea) vs C2/D3 (Japan) -- the doubles will be interesting, while the singles will be competitive as well. Either Malaysia or Korea has an edge.
C1 (Denmark) vs A2/B3 (England) -- surely, another stroll for Denmark!
D1 (Indonesia) vs A3/B2 (Malaysia or Korea) -- WOW...tough tough tough....INA still need to face either MAS or Korea....sigh....

oh no...Malaysia had drawn in group b with south korea and england in the thomas cup..!!!
its very tough men!! if compared to china and indonesia...

Not necessarily. If Malaysia can beat Korea in the Group Phase, they are almost guaranteed a spot in the SF, against Mighty China.

Indonesia might stroll towards the QF, but will face the winner between MAS and KOR for a place in the SF. Tough tough tough.....

Uber Cup

1st Half
China vs Winner between NewZealand vs Indonesia
South Korea vs Winner between Denmark vs Netherlands

2nd Half
Malaysia vs Winner between Germany vs South Africa
Japan vs Winner between Hong Kong vs USA

I agree with Krisna that the best possible path for a Semi-Final finish (as targetted by PBSI) is to finish LAST in the group, if we can't beat Japan!

We can afford to lose to Netherlands in order to play Denmark, which can be beaten by taking 2 doubles and the last single (unknown player).

We have a better chance of beating Korea as well than China, through our 2 doubles (Vita/Butet vs Lee/Lee -- tough one; Jo/Grace vs Ha/Kim -- done last week in All-England). It's tough for Maria or Firda to beat Jun Jae Yun or Hwang Hye Youn, BUT, either Pia or Nana has a chance against Lee Yun Hwa or Jang Soo Young. It will be an interesting match-up!

Chance against Japan:
Two doubles -- 50-60% of winning!
Singles -- tough to say. Japanese singles are also unstable.

What IF MAS lost to KOREA?
MAS VS INA IN QUARTERFINAL:eek:
Very unfavourable draw for MAS, if they emerge as winner in Group B, still JAPAN will be a very tough team to beat in QF too.

Japanese Singles is not Unstable.. but unpredictable. Thats the most dangerous part. INA's ladies singles is more predictable.

Indonesia might stroll towards the QF, but will face the winner between MAS and KOR for a place in the SF. Tough tough tough.....

Well... it could be worse... :p If we beat Korea, then we will face Denmark... Better fate than if we have to face China, right? :D I'm quite satisfied with this draw... :o Although the best scenario is if we had to face... Canada, Nigeria, and New Zealand/Thailand/Germany/Japan in order to go to the semifinals [like China], ha ha ha... :p

I still believe we can take 2 [if not all 3]singles away from Korea... ;) Maybe 1 [if not all 2] doubles... :D

Possible scenario:
Lee Hyun Il beat Sony
Lee Yong Dae-JJS beat Kido-Hendra
Taufik beat Park Sung Hwan
Luluk-Alven beat LJJ-HJM
I think the deciding match could be Shon Sheung Mo vs. Simon Santoso... Very winnable by Simon! :cool: :D :D

I think the deciding match could be Shon Sheung Mo vs. Simon Santoso... Very winnable by Simon! :cool: :D :D
You never know , it could end up LYD being fielded for MD1 & MS3 and end up as their heroes :eek: :D

Chance against Japan:
Two doubles -- 50-60% of winning!
Singles -- tough to say. Japanese singles are also unstable.

I just want to see Reiko play at this point... ;) :p

Group C
Denmark (4) -- I don't see Denmark losing out to Japan



Well, IF PG still unable to overcome his asthma problem and ought to give this TC a skip, anything might happened for the Danish team.

Actually I am looking from the other angle. S.Korea and Malaysia will have options on their strategy. Go for the group winner and face China in SF or avoid China by becoming 2nd in the group, but face Indonesia in QF and Denmark in SF.

You never know , it could end up LYD being fielded for MD1 & MS3 and end up as their heroes :eek: :D

I can guarantee you that Simon Santoso will destroy LYD in the third singles! :cool: :D :D :D Simon is the 10th best singles player on the planet! :D

ENG will be 1st in Group B, MAS and KOR will fight for 3rd and MAS will be 3rd.

I can guarantee you that Simon Santoso will destroy LYD in the third singles! :cool: :D :D :D Simon is the 10th best singles player on the planet! :D

In this crucial Finals.. i dont think Korea will field LYD as 3rd singles.

Well, IF PG still unable to overcome his asthma problem and ought to give this TC a skip, anything might happened for the Danish team.

Exactly! :cool:

I think for INA, the 'real' semifinals is the quarterfinal matchup against Korea [or maybe Malaysia]... ;) Denmark is not as strong as before... Very beatable [by INA]... :D

ENG will be 1st in Group B, MAS and KOR will fight for 3rd and MAS will be 3rd.
Good prediction! :cool: In fact , this is the best possible path for MAS if their target is at least get into the the semifinal.
Last place in Group be will surely get Denmark as their opponents in QF, I think MAS have more chances against the Danes compare with INA/JPN

In this crucial Finals.. i dont think Korea will field LYD as 3rd singles.

I didn't think so. Samuel thought so. :p My best prediction: KOR will field Shon Sheung Mo... ;)

What IF MAS lost to KOREA?
MAS VS INA IN QUARTERFINAL:eek:
Very unfavourable draw for MAS, if they emerge as winner in Group B, still JAPAN will be a very tough team to beat in QF too.

NO.

On the contrary, it's a very good draw for MAS.

Good prediction! :cool: In fact , this is the best possible path for MAS if their target is at least get into the the semifinal.
Last place in Group be will surely get Denmark as their opponents in QF, I think MAS have more chances against the Danes compare with INA/JPN

Oh no! If MAS and KOR finished 2nd and 3rd, that will send them to INA's side of the draw... :( :( INA-DEN-KOR-MAS on the same side of the draw...? :( CHN's life is too easy... :p

Exactly! :cool:

I think for INA, the 'real' semifinals is the quarterfinal matchup against Korea [or maybe Malaysia]... ;) Denmark is not as strong as before... Very beatable [by INA]... :D

Yup. Denmark should be relatively "easier" than either Korea or Malaysia. Our 2nd and 3rd singles should beat them. The first singles, if its Sony Dwi Kuncoro, can also beat Peter Gade. The key will be to take one of the doubles!

Thomas Cup

Group A - China [1], Canada, Nigeria
Group B - Malaysia [3], South Korea, England
Group C - Denmark [4], Japan, New Zealand
Group D - Indonesia [2], Thailand, Germany


Uber Cup

Group A -China [1], Germany, USA
Group B - South Korea [3], Hong Kong, South Africa
Group C - Malaysia [4], Denmark, New Zealand
Group D - Japan [2], Indonesia, Netherlands

http://www.chinapress.com.my/data/2008-03-13/sports/0313ss20.jpg

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Yup... if I were the INA team manager, I would try to avoid China... either by winning the group [unlikely] or loosing all the group contest and become number 3 in group D [very do-able yet very embarrasing... ha ha ha]... :p
I agree with Krisna that the best possible path for a Semi-Final finish (as targetted by PBSI) is to finish LAST in the group, if we can't beat Japan!
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...i know you guys are probably not being serious;), but 2 or 3 yrs ago, when the INA squad was competing in the TC and SC, i brought up a similar idea, on how the INA squad can avoid the toughest route and be in the Finals (should they finish last in the group or not?).
Afterwards, i realized that, in order to become a true winner/champion, they must go the route that needed to be taken. Simply, there's no shortcuts. And that mindset should apply for both Thomas & Uber Cups and to any team.:cool:

What's funny is that everyone is trying to "fix" their matches so that they avoid China :D:D. Won't it be funny to see England winning the group of death and Malaysia and Korea chancing their arms with Denmark and Indonesia?:D:D

BTW, I think we (Canada) can handle mighty Nigeria. The boys should just relax and enjoy the experience against China

What's funny is that everyone is trying to "fix" their matches so that they avoid China :D:D. Won't it be funny to see England winning the group of death and Malaysia and Korea chancing their arms with Denmark and Indonesia?:D:D
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..well, someone needs to take out the mighty CHN TC squad in the Semis, right??..:rolleyes: ;)

..well, someone needs to take out the mighty CHN TC squad in the Semis, right??..:rolleyes: ;)

I guess if they're stupid enough to think they actually "won" the group (if they finished first), they really deserve China

Yup. Denmark should be relatively "easier" than either Korea or Malaysia. Our 2nd and 3rd singles should beat them. The first singles, if its Sony Dwi Kuncoro, can also beat Peter Gade. The key will be to take one of the doubles!

Peter Gade has asthma now! :p Either Sony will face an unfit Peter Gade or... Sony has to face Kenneth. Which is more likely now because Kenneth is world #5 and Peter is world #8... :p Which means Taufik will face Joachim Persson [world #29] and Simon will face... er... somebody else... [I don't know who is Denmark's 4th best MS after Kenneth-Peter-Joachim]...

There is:
WR #46 Peter Mikkelsen
WR #65 Rune Ulsing
WR #70 Jan O. Jorgensen
WR #73 Kasper Oedum

I don't know who among these guys will be chosen by the Danish Badminton Association... :confused: Any BC members from Denmark?!? Can you help enlighten us on this? :)

...i know you guys are probably not being serious;), but 2 or 3 yrs ago, when the INA squad was competing in the TC and SC, i brought up a similar idea, on how the INA squad can avoid the toughest route and be in the Finals (should they finish last in the group or not?).
Afterwards, i realized that, in order to become a true winner/champion, they must go the route that needed to be taken. Simply, there's no shortcuts. And that mindset should apply for both Thomas & Uber Cups and to any team.:cool:

ctjcad, you are right if the objective is to actually win the whole thing...

However, PBSI's target for our Uber Cup team is to reach the semifinals... :p This is needed to fill in the Istora seats as much as possible as long as possible... In Uber Cup 2004 in Jakarta, after INA's Uber Cup team lost in the quarterfinals [I think]... I can safely say that the Uber Cup organizers can only fill in less than 10% of all available Istora seats for the semis and finals... :o

So... unless INA women can win over Japan... better to be #3 in the group and try our luck against Korea in the quarterfinals rather than face China in the quarterfinals... :o

So... unless INA women can win over Japan... better to be #3 in the group and try our luck against Korea in the quarterfinals rather than face China in the quarterfinals... :o

Agree with Krisna. I hope the draw puts INA against Japan in the first match, so, we have plenty of time to think of tactics and strategy for the next match against Netherlands :eek: If lose against Japan, no point to fight against Netherlands. Give the fringe players chance.

FIRST TEAM
WS1: Maria Kristin vs Yao Jie - 60% of losing anyway
WS2: Adriyanti Firdasari vs Judith Meulendijks -- 50% of losing
WS3: Pia Zebadiah vs Rachel Van Cutsen -- unknown...the Netherland player is more experienced

WD1: Vita Marissa/Lilyana Natsir vs Rachel Van Cutsen/Paulien Van Dooremalen -- surely a victory
WD2: Jo Novita/Greysia Polii vs Judith Meulendijks/Yao Jie -- a victory is likely..

So, even if we field our first team, we might still end up losing 2-3.

Agree with Krisna. I hope the draw puts INA against Japan in the first match, so, we have plenty of time to think of tactics and strategy for the next match against Netherlands :eek: If lose against Japan, no point to fight against Netherlands. Give the fringe players chance.

FIRST TEAM
WS1: Maria Kristin vs Yao Jie - 60% of losing anyway
WS2: Adriyanti Firdasari vs Judith Meulendijks -- 50% of losing
WS3: Pia Zebadiah vs Rachel Van Cutsen -- unknown...the Netherland player is more experienced

WD1: Vita Marissa/Lilyana Natsir vs Rachel Van Cutsen/Paulien Van Dooremalen -- surely a victory
WD2: Jo Novita/Greysia Polii vs Judith Meulendijks/Yao Jie -- a victory is likely..

So, even if we field our first team, we might still end up losing 2-3.

Just pray that one of your single's player will manage to steal a point from the singles.

ctjcad, you are right if the objective is to actually win the whole thing...

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So... unless INA women can win over Japan... better to be #3 in the group and try our luck against Korea in the quarterfinals rather than face China in the quarterfinals... :o
..For INA's Uber Cup squad, either way, sooner or later if they are to advance to the Semis or Finals round or win the whole thing;), they must go through CHN.
Btw, how would INA face CHN in the QF round if CHN(most likely) and/or INA were to win its group?..I thought all groups' winners will skip the QF round and await the winners of the QF tussles, in the SF round?..:confused:
Agree with Krisna. I hope the draw puts INA against Japan in the first match, so, we have plenty of time to think of tactics and strategy for the next match against Netherlands :eek: If lose against Japan, no point to fight against Netherlands. Give the fringe players chance.

FIRST TEAM
WS1: Maria Kristin vs Yao Jie - 60% of losing anyway
WS2: Adriyanti Firdasari vs Judith Meulendijks -- 50% of losing
WS3: Pia Zebadiah vs Rachel Van Cutsen -- unknown...the Netherland player is more experienced

WD1: Vita Marissa/Lilyana Natsir vs Rachel Van Cutsen/Paulien Van Dooremalen -- surely a victory
WD2: Jo Novita/Greysia Polii vs Judith Meulendijks/Yao Jie -- a victory is likely..

So, even if we field our first team, we might still end up losing 2-3.
..looking at the above INA vs. NED scenario, i think the INA Uber Cup team has a chance also of winning over the NED, granted they win the 2 WD matches and steal 1 pt from the WS (most likely the last one, if they ever go that far)..And i would say, they could also spring a surprise against JPN's team; but in order to do so, they will need all of the INA fans' support at the stadium~~take advantage of the home crowd;)

why china is in group A with Nigeria??:crying::crying::mad::mad:

why china is in group A with Nigeria??:crying::crying::mad::mad:
Why is NewZealand with Malaysia and Denmark ?
And NewZealand also with Japan and Denmark.
NewZealand is hopeless now.. :D

I just heard from the organizers:
A1 will wait for C3 vs. D2
B1 will wait for C2 vs. D3
the winner will face each other to go to the finals

C1 will wait for A2 vs. B3
D1 will wait for A3 vs. B2
the winner will face each other to go to the finals

This applies for both Thomas and Uber.

Note:
A1 = 1st place finish in group A
A2 = 2nd place finish in group A
A3 = 3rd place finish in group A

From the above knock-out stage format,
INA Thomas team will be out as group D Winner with big possibility, then face B2 (MAS or KOR) in quarterfinal which means really tough match.

Two options for INA Uber team to fulfill semifinal target :
- First, wins group D to avoid CHN and KOR in last eight, particularly China who definitely the strongest team in this contest. No doubt, this is the best option.
- Second, being 3rd position of group D and meet KOR in quarter. Disadvantage : INA must play one more match against MAS or DEN at play-off stage.

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Two options for INA Uber team to fulfill semifinal target :
- First, wins group D to avoid CHN and KOR in last eight, particularly China who definitely the strongest team in this contest. No doubt, this is the best option.
- Second, being 3rd position of group D and meet KOR in quarter. Disadvantage : INA must play one more match against MAS or DEN at play-off stage.
..it'll be a tough climb but IMO, it would be wise if the INA Uber Cup team fights and competes to win its group..By doing so, as i've highlighted in bold, they'll avoid that scenario & have an extra time to rest and recoup (which i'm sure they'll take any time)..;)

I just heard from the organizers that the quarterfinals lineup will be determined by:

A1 will wait for C3 vs. D2
B1 will wait for C2 vs. D3
the winner will face each other to go to the finals

C1 will wait for A2 vs. B3
D1 will wait for A3 vs. B2
the winner will face each other to go to the finals

This applies for both Thomas and Uber.

Note:
A1 = 1st place finish in group A
A2 = 2nd place finish in group A
A3 = 3rd place finish in group A

Possible Draws

Uber Cup

1st Half quarterfinals
China [most likely A1] vs Winner between NewZealand vs Indonesia [if D2]
South Korea [most likely A2] vs Winner between Denmark vs Netherlands [if D3]

2nd Half quarterfinals
Malaysia vs Winner between Germany vs South Africa
Japan vs Winner between Hong Kong vs USA

..For INA's Uber Cup squad, either way, sooner or later if they are to advance to the Semis or Finals round or win the whole thing;), they must go through CHN.
Btw, how would INA face CHN in the QF round if CHN(most likely) and/or INA were to win its group?..I thought all groups' winners will skip the QF round and await the winners of the QF tussles, in the SF round?..:confused:


Chris... I took the liberty to quote ants' predictions on this matter... As you see, assuming that China is A1 and Korea is B1, INA is better off as D3... :o Embarassing, I know... :o But better to try our luck against Denmark in the Round of 16 and then possibly against South Korea/Hong Kong in the quarterfinals... ;)

If we were to finish as D2, then we probably will face New Zealand in the Round of 16 and then China in the quarterfinals... :(

Frankly, the best scenario is if we finish as D1! ;) But can we? :D Yes, I agree if we were to be Uber Cup champs, we have to beat China... but we don't have to [at this time].... let's just be very happy with a semifinal finish...

Note: I will also advise Susi Susanti's girls to avoid Hong Kong! Their triple threat WS [Wang-Yip-Zhou :eek:] are the best Uber-team WS lineup after CHN in this competition... Hong Kong is very able to beat Korea, nobody should be surprised if Hong Kong will become B1... ;)

In the Uber Cup, I think INA has a decent chance if we face MAS or DEN... because their WS lineup is spearheaded by a very top #1 WS but followed by beatable #2 WS and #3 WS... while their doubles are quite beatable by our Jo-Greysia and Lili-Vita... ;)

Chris... I took the liberty to quote ants' predictions on this matter... As you see, assuming that China is A1 and Korea is B1, INA is better off as D3... :o Embarassing, I know... :o But better to try our luck against Denmark in the Round of 16 and then possibly against South Korea/Hong Kong in the quarterfinals... ;)

If we were to finish as D2, then we probably will face New Zealand in the Round of 16 and then China in the quarterfinals... :(

Frankly, the best scenario is if we finish as D1! ;) But can we? :D Yes, I agree if we were to be Uber Cup champs, we have to beat China... but we don't have to [at this time].... let's just be very happy with a semifinal finish...

Note: I will also advise Susi Susanti's girls to avoid Hong Kong! Their triple threat WS [Wang-Yip-Zhou :eek:] are the best Uber-team WS lineup after CHN in this competition... Hong Kong is very able to beat Korea, nobody should be surprised if Hong Kong will become B1... ;)

I have been told that Zhou Mi may not be able to play for HKG yet....so INA has a chance to beat HKG

I have been told that Zhou Mi may not be able to play for HKG yet....so INA has a chance to beat HKG

Wow, really?!? Fantastic! ;)

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If we were to finish as D2, then we probably will face New Zealand in the Round of 16 and then China in the quarterfinals... :(

Frankly, the best scenario is if we finish as D1! ;) But can we? :D Yes, I agree if we were to be Uber Cup champs, we have to beat China... but we don't have to [at this time].... let's just be very happy with a semifinal finish...
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..understood and yeah, i might've been confused as to the possible QF and onward matchups.:p :)
Anyway, after thinking about it, i still hold the approach that the INA Uber Cup team SHOULD finish 1st in their group. Yes, targeting the "best scenario".:cool: Wouldn't you want them to do so??..:confused: :)..
Doing so will not only eliminate the chance of the INA UC team to meet CHN prior to the Finals, but also will grant them an extra day of rest, while they wait for the winner of the Playoff-tussle.
As a side note, IMO, other than CHN's Uber Cup team, i would rate S. Korea, Japan and possibly Denmark and maybe Dutch to be challengers (and not to undermine the other teams).
As for beating CHN, yes, it will be a miracle if the INA UC team can do so...IOW, i don't put too much hope on them.:p
Will it be tough to reach the Finals? Definitely. Impossible? I don't think so.;)
In the Uber Cup, I think INA has a decent chance if we face MAS or DEN... because their WS lineup is spearheaded by a very top #1 WS but followed by beatable #2 WS and #3 WS... while their doubles are quite beatable by our Jo-Greysia and Lili-Vita... ;)
I have been told that Zhou Mi may not be able to play for HKG yet....so INA has a chance to beat HKG
..there ya go..another good news for the INA UC team..;)..
So, cheer 'em on!..:cool:

Does anyone has complete schedule for TUC Finals>

ENG will be 1st in Group B, MAS and KOR will fight for 3rd and MAS will be 3rd.


??? i dun think so...

lee hyun il, can beat any England single players, so does park sung hwn...that will give them 2 out of 5...and ljs/lyd will definitely beat any of the england pairs...

and any england single player to beat lcw...?i doubt the england single player can even beat hafiz hashim...and if kkk/tbh could not deliver, chong tan fook/lee wan wah can definitely score...

i dont see how such prediction can even exist...

??? i dun think so...

lee hyun il, can beat any England single players, so does park sung hwn...that will give them 2 out of 5...and ljs/lyd will definitely beat any of the england pairs...

and any england single player to beat lcw...?i doubt the england single player can even beat hafiz hashim...and if kkk/tbh could not deliver, chong tan fook/lee wan wah can definitely score...

i dont see how such prediction can even exist...

The scenario of MAS and KOR giving ;) the ENG team 1st place in group B is a logical approach to avoid CHN in the knock-out round... ;) :D If they fight normally, then ENG have almost no chance of beating MAS and KOR... :o

??? i dun think so...

lee hyun il, can beat any England single players, so does park sung hwn...that will give them 2 out of 5...and ljs/lyd will definitely beat any of the england pairs...

and any england single player to beat lcw...?i doubt the england single player can even beat hafiz hashim...and if kkk/tbh could not deliver, chong tan fook/lee wan wah can definitely score...

i dont see how such prediction can even exist...

You didn't get it, did you? :rolleyes: It's already been put out there that teams are "adjusting" their positions to get over to the INA semi final side to avoid mighty China. Therefore in this group, KOR and MAS "lose" to achieve said goal. However, I don't think ENG are dumb enough to fall for it :D:D

Peter Gade has asthma now! :p Either Sony will face an unfit Peter Gade or... Sony has to face Kenneth. Which is more likely now because Kenneth is world #5 and Peter is world #8... :p Which means Taufik will face Joachim Persson [world #29] and Simon will face... er... somebody else... [I don't know who is Denmark's 4th best MS after Kenneth-Peter-Joachim]...

There is:
WR #46 Peter Mikkelsen:crying:
WR #65 Rune Ulsing:eek:
WR #70 Jan O. Jorgensen:confused:
WR #73 Kasper Oedum:rolleyes:

I don't know who among these guys will be chosen by the Danish Badminton Association... :confused: Any BC members from Denmark?!? Can you help enlighten us on this? :)

Woeful MS after PG and KJ:eek:Joachim Persson not doubt in our mind:DPretty straight forward eh?:p

I agree with Krisna that the best possible path for a Semi-Final finish (as targetted by PBSI) is to finish LAST in the group, if we can't beat Japan!

We can afford to lose to Netherlands in order to play Denmark, which can be beaten by taking 2 doubles and the last single (unknown player).

We have a better chance of beating Korea as well than China, through our 2 doubles (Vita/Butet vs Lee/Lee -- tough one; Jo/Grace vs Ha/Kim -- done last week in All-England). It's tough for Maria or Firda to beat Jun Jae Yun or Hwang Hye Youn, BUT, either Pia or Nana has a chance against Lee Yun Hwa or Jang Soo Young. It will be an interesting match-up!

Chance against Japan:
Two doubles -- 50-60% of winning!
Singles -- tough to say. Japanese singles are also unstable.

isn't it another form of match-fixing? it's happening already!

Same old scenario again huh? Malaysia meets China in semis, Indonesia in finals.

Malaysia might be interested in coming second in their group. This way they have to face Indonesia and Denmark instead of China...

Does anyone has complete schedule for TUC Finals>

What you mean complete Sched? The playing time? I dont think its out yet.

Krisna, your 3rd place finish theory, while possible, is very optimistic. What about team morale, wouldn't it be affected since the team has to lose both group matches? Even on purpose? How quickly can they rebound for the playoff?

Last Thomas Cup, MAS was badly affected by WCH's injury in the q-final tie vs Korea. In the semis, LCW ended up losing to Gade, and both Hafiz/KBH couldn't lift their games to salvage the tie.

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Last Thomas Cup, MAS was badly affected by WCH's injury in the q-final tie vs Korea. In the semis, LCW ended up losing to Gade, and both Hafiz/KBH couldn't lift their games to salvage the tie.
..and very unfortunate for WCH and the MAS Thomas Cup team..

isn't it another form of match-fixing? it's happening already!
Come on..it is not match-fixing..you should have known better......you ha to admit that...:cool::cool:...I think China want to avoid INA also in semifinal if possible...do you call this also Match-fixing???:cool::cool::cool:

Same old scenario again huh? Malaysia meets China in semis, Indonesia in finals.

Malaysia might be interested in coming second in their group. This way they have to face Indonesia and Denmark instead of China...

In the last 2 Thomas Cups, INA could not make it to the finals... :crying: :crying:

In the last 2 Thomas Cups, INA could not make it to the finals... :crying: :crying:

Well, so as Malaysia:(