Thomas Cup play-off prediction

Not realistic :cool::confused:

ENG to beat either KOR or MAS :eek: ??

MAS/KOR's 2 singles WILL BEAT ENG's. Their 2 doubles will also take at least 1 pt.

Yup, if at least you had Mike Tredgett, Ray Stevens, Martin Dew and Steve Baddeley together with Anthony Clark, Robert Blair and Nathan Robertson, it could have been possible to at least nick Malaysia.

Thomas Cup play-off prediction
..hmm, am i seeing KOR & MAS finishing behind ENG in their group's standing (Group B)??..Personally, barring any injuries, i think MAS will face INA and CHN will face KOR in the TC Semifinals round..And i won't be surprised if the KOR squad pulls out an upset, esp. after what had transpired in the last 3-4 weeks and in this early part of the year, and appears in the Finals..:cool:

Not realistic :cool::confused:

ENG to beat either KOR or MAS :eek: ??

MAS/KOR's 2 singles WILL BEAT ENG's. Their 2 doubles will also take at least 1 pt.

MAS and KOR might intentionally loose to ENG in order to feed ENG to the Chinese Dragon's mouth... while the two of them battle DEN and INA for a place in the finals... ;)

ENG, on the other hand, would be very happy to battle JPN or GER for a place in the Thomas Cup semifinals... Going to the Thomas Cup semis for ENG-JPN-GER is a huge achievement! :D Loosing only to China is something they can proudly tell their friends back home...

Thomas Cup play-off prediction



Well actually it would be realistic...everyone in the group would try and finish 2nd or 3rd in order to avoid China...maybe

Well actually it would be realistic...everyone in the group would try and finish 2nd or 3rd in order to avoid China...maybe


Has this actually happened before (in the TC Finals)? I mean throwing away matches to set up a draw that they want. Surely national pride is at stake and also BWF might take action? :confused:

If KOR and MAS can put national pride aside, this cud be a reality as the B2 is likely to meet a relatively weaker team in the playoffs and they can afford to let the reserves play and yet win and go thru the SFs.

MAS and KOR might intentionally loose to ENG in order to feed ENG to the Chinese Dragon's mouth... while the two of them battle DEN and INA for a place in the finals... ;)

ENG, on the other hand, would be very happy to battle JPN or GER for a place in the Thomas Cup semifinals... Going to the Thomas Cup semis for ENG-JPN-GER is a huge achievement! :D Loosing only to China is something they can proudly tell their friends back home...
Has this actually happened before (in the TC Finals)? I mean throwing away matches to set up a draw that they want. Surely national pride is at stake and also BWF might take action? :confused:
..like a "clever" way of avoiding an early "elimination" in the stomach of the Chinese Dragon, but losing to ENG in their group play might backfire on the KOR and MAS squads (both could lose to both the DEN and INA squads in the QF round).
The Semifinals, instead, might look like this:
ENG vs. CHN (top half) and DEN vs. INA (bottom half).....ENG, by reaching the Semis, will definitely have the last laugh...:p;)

The above play-off prediction indicates both MAS and KOR try to avoid title-holder CHN in last four so MAS, DEN, KOR and host INA will face each other at quarter to hunt 2 semifinal tickets. Meanwhile, CHN has very smooth path to reach finale as they will challenge weak team Japan or England at semifinal. What a nightmare scenario for bottom-half draw!

Not realistic :cool::confused:

ENG to beat either KOR or MAS :eek: ??

MAS/KOR's 2 singles WILL BEAT ENG's. Their 2 doubles will also take at least 1 pt.

Why not.....every one is trying to avoid Chn...there is no early elimination in group...even to finished as 3rd. place in group....and all the seeded team except Chn.....will squeeze in the lower section of the draw....and leaving chn....relaxing in the top half........all the way till Final...hahahaha..........

clever ......clever......;)....:D:D:D

I don't understand the postings here.
What is this 'avoid CHN at all costs' mentality?Consider this, based on recent trends(last 12 months):
* LD : beatable
* BCL: beatable
* CJ : beatable
* CY : beatable
MDs : beatable
The clear indication has been CHN players get beaten by both regular and 'non' opponents.This means CHN is highly vulnerable on the day of action.
Don't you think that there are now more non-CHN teams that are stronger and that CHN team is actually weaker than before?
Has it occurred to you that LYB is more and more worried that team CHN is at its most jittery state?(So much so that CHN feared KOR enough to pull out of GO08 to avoid KOR and that the fear is still there?)

[quote=pjswift;860991]I don't understand the postings here.
What is this 'avoid CHN at all costs' mentality?Consider this, based on recent trends(last 12 months):
quote]

It's also stated in the Msia media that China is strong. You can read the coaches media statements to get an idea. Strategy is either meet Indonesia in QF for easier path to finals or be top of group, meet China in Semis.

Rumor has it Korea might 'lose' to both England & Msia to avoid meeting Indonesia in QF.

Countries dont want to meet China in Semis. China is strong in MS (weakest now being BCL) & defending champions. MDs : Fu/Cai have been 'hidden' in training, Guo/Xie have beaten Korea's Lee/Jung in India Open, they have improved. Both pairs didnt go ABC. We dunno what new strategies China might pull.

..hmm, am i seeing KOR & MAS finishing behind ENG in their group's standing (Group B)??..Personally, barring any injuries, i think MAS will face INA and CHN will face KOR in the TC Semifinals round..And i won't be surprised if the KOR squad pulls out an upset, esp. after what had transpired in the last 3-4 weeks and in this early part of the year, and appears in the Finals..:cool:

If KOR can defeat MAS,i won't say is an upset.It is possible KOR to beat MAS,based on the superb performance of the KOR team since beginning of 2008.It is unlikely ENG could beat MAS but if(very big IF)ENG beat MAS,it is absolutely a very BIG UPSET!Of course the above "IF",i don't wish to turn into reality..

I'm in the England team and I'm sorry but there is no way we can beat MAS or KOR. We have a young team with no robertson, blair or clark so i think 2 5-0's are on the cards. will be fun though.

Indeed, it will be a miracle if ENG can beat either MAS or KOR, despite both Asian teams fielding doubles players as singles players or vice-versa.

China are very beatable currently.

With INA/KOR/MAS capable of winning both MD against them, this means there is a lot of pressure for CHN to win all three MS, which is always a tough task in TC.

Good luck Ben-you'll need it!

I'm in the England team and I'm sorry but there is no way we can beat MAS or KOR. We have a young team with no robertson, blair or clark so i think 2 5-0's are on the cards. will be fun though.
Congratulation being on the english team Ben. I agree with you, there is no chance ENG can beat MAS or KOR, at least not if MAS or KOR wants to win. But on the other hand, if one of them wants to lose, I'm sure they'll find a way!
Personally I'm sure MAS doesnt want to finish 3rd in the group. Imagine they did and then lost to DEN in the quarterfinal. It is very possible. Would be the worst Thomas Cup finals ever for MAS I imagine. Losing 3 out of 4 matches, only being able to beat Canada (probably). How do you think the media and BAM will respond to that? I'm pretty sure they wont be happy about it.....
Same goes for Korea, even though I think it would be bigger disaster for MAS.

I really hope KOR wins the group as I think they have a great chance of beating CHN. Both mens doubles would have good chances of winning. Park against Lin Dan and Lee Hyun Il against Bao Chunlai, could also result in 2 victories for KOR. I'm not saying they will win for sure, but they do have the chance.

[quote=pjswift;860991]I don't understand the postings here.
What is this 'avoid CHN at all costs' mentality?Consider this, based on recent trends(last 12 months):
quote]

It's also stated in the Msia media that China is strong. You can read the coaches media statements to get an idea. Strategy is either meet Indonesia in QF for easier path to finals or be top of group, meet China in Semis.

Rumor has it Korea might 'lose' to both England & Msia to avoid meeting Indonesia in QF.

Countries dont want to meet China in Semis. China is strong in MS (weakest now being BCL) & defending champions. MDs : Fu/Cai have been 'hidden' in training, Guo/Xie have beaten Korea's Lee/Jung in India Open, they have improved. Both pairs didnt go ABC. We dunno what new strategies China might pull.
CHN is strong. So are MAS, KOR,INA and DEN.You know what is MAS problem? MAS coaches' likely-to-lose' mindset.The problem is they then pass it on to the players in both verbal and non-verbal ways. Consider what Rashid(?) said: "LCW must win the MS1 or MAS will lose.." (sth to that effect).Other Team's coaches will also look at it that way.Do you think LYB will tell LD, "Don't worry,you can afford to lose the MS1 and the rest of the team will win it'? Come on, all the problems are common to all teams who want to win.
Or MAS MD coaches when their players were losing steam in ABC08. They had this worried look, like being stunned.I asked a MAS supporter why he did not "Malaysia Boleh' when the MDs were losing after winning G1. He said they already 'tak boleh' so he also 'tak boleh'!!!That's the problem with MAS fans, so too with MAS coaches.MAS coaches need to encourage their players VERBALLY in between points to energise their players. Looking worried is the minimum effort way to de-energise MAS players to lose.Look at KOR coaches' behaviour. They are always saying some positive words to KOR players in between play and they keep that up especially when KOR is losing.

I'm in the England team and I'm sorry but there is no way we can beat MAS or KOR. We have a young team with no robertson, blair or clark so i think 2 5-0's are on the cards. will be fun though.
Congrats,Ben!!!
That's smart of ENG to send the young ones for the exposure knowing there's no chance of winning TC and win big in 2012 OG!
I'll cheer for ENG so you guys put in your best efforts.

Indeed, it will be a miracle if ENG can beat either MAS or KOR, despite both Asian teams fielding doubles players as singles players or vice-versa.

RLOL, that's be fun to watch. Park playing MD, KKK playing MS, LCW & Hafiz play MD. It's either finish top or 2nd in the group.

[quote=eaglehelang;860997]
CHN is strong. So are MAS, KOR,INA and DEN.You know what is MAS problem? MAS coaches' likely-to-lose' mindset.The problem is they then pass it on to the players in both verbal and non-verbal ways. Consider what Rashid(?) said: "LCW must win the MS1 or MAS will lose.." (sth to that effect).
..............That's the problem with MAS fans, so too with MAS coaches.MAS coaches need to encourage their players VERBALLY in between points to energise their players. Looking worried is the minimum effort way to de-energise MAS players to lose.Look at KOR coaches' behaviour. They are always saying some positive words to KOR players in between play and they keep that up especially when KOR is losing.

Pjswift, you should ask Ants or Hauge ot introduce you to Rexy during Spore Open.;) Rexy looking worried ? I thought Rexy's the one always shouting "Fight Terus".
He he, read between the lines, you'll find the purpose of what they said in the press is to lessen pressure on the players & laying the groundwork to lessen the criticism if they lose.

And yes Rashid said that, heavy responsibility of 1st MS, cos he was 1st MS when Msia won in 1992. the + point is Rashid was smart to point out he beat top players in TC that he didnt beat in individual events. Sthing to do with team event = team oomph/team suppport propelling him along. So, LCW hopefully will see that as +ve effect, not burden.

RLOL, that's be fun to watch. Park playing MD, KKK playing MS, LCW & Hafiz play MD. It's either finish top or 2nd in the group.

[quote=pjswift;861012]

Pjswift, you should ask Ants or Hauge ot introduce you to Rexy during Spore Open.;) Rexy looking worried ? I thought Rexy's the one always shouting "Fight Terus".
He he, read between the lines, you'll find the purpose of what they said in the press is to lessen pressure on the players & laying the groundwork to lessen the criticism if they lose.

And yes Rashid said that, heavy responsibility of 1st MS, cos he was 1st MS when Msia won in 1992. the + point is Rashid was smart to point out he beat top players in TC that he didnt beat in individual events. Sthing to do with team event = team oomph/team suppport propelling him along. So, LCW hopefully will see that as +ve effect, not burden.
The important part is timing.Rexy shouted'fight terus' during G1, G2 or G3? It's most important during G3 but I did not see that.
How can Rashid compare himself with LCW? LCW has beaten all the top players so his problem is different from Rashid's.How can a coach imply that the rest of the team cannot rise up to the occasion? MAS MDs and WCH and Hafiz have an even chance of winning their matches.Hafiz played two impressive matches in ABC, not just one, so his comeback form is unlikely a fluke.(He used to play one good match in a tournament and he thought he's won the tournament.) But the breakthrough outcome has been that Hafiz proved he can beat a CHN MS in 3 games, with a 60-min stamina, sth he's never done before? And Hafiz actually looks lean and hungry.
The other factor to remember is that, in TC , LYB has no chance of playing his 'save-energy' games.

[quote=pjswift;861017
The important part is timing.Rexy shouted'fight terus' during G1, G2 or G3? It's most important during G3 but I did not see that...
How can Rashid compare himself with LCW? LCW has beaten all the top players so his problem is different from Rashid's.How can a coach imply that the rest of the team cannot rise up to the occasion? MAS MDs and WCH and Hafiz have an even chance of winning their matches.[/quote]

On tv, cant see like you saw in stadium for ABC.

Rashid not implying the rest of the team cant do it, he's saying getting the 1st point very important motivator for whole team. LCW knows that. I think Rashid knows how demoralized the team can get when they lose 1st two matches.

Many have criticised Msia players mentally weak, cant hack it. Hopefully they can group together like they did in 2006 right after WCH got his injury. Msia didnt 'break down', they fought hard & beat Korea. Tie against Denmark, well...

Oh yeah, must not forget our gals, they're spunky, great fighting spirit. Interesting to see what Msia gals can do, the youngsters have been improving.

And yes Rashid said that, heavy responsibility of 1st MS, cos he was 1st MS when Msia won in 1992. the + point is Rashid was smart to point out he beat top players in TC that he didnt beat in individual events. Sthing to do with team event = team oomph/team suppport propelling him along. So, LCW hopefully will see that as +ve effect, not burden.

Well, unfortunately, during Rashid's time, the team camaraderie was much stronger than it is now. Not that the team spirit now is lacking, just that it is no longer as dominating. Probably due to better individual success from the current team members, Koo/Tan and LCW especially.

From 1986 to 1992, Malaysia had the best team spirit in Thomas Cup. Comparable to pre-82 Indonesia, and later from 1994 - 2002. The last 2 Cups that Indonesia won (2000-2002), was from the same team spirit as Rashid's Malaysian squad.

Hope their recent kem bina semangat works.

If KOR can defeat MAS,i won't say is an upset.It is possible KOR to beat MAS,based on the superb performance of the KOR team since beginning of 2008.It is unlikely ENG could beat MAS but if(very big IF)ENG beat MAS,it is absolutely a very BIG UPSET!Of course the above "IF",i don't wish to turn into reality..
..what i meant actually, below, if KOR can beat CHN in the Semis. But then again, the scenario which badders7 brought up, esp. with PSH playing as first Singles, and LHI playing as 2nd Singles, it might actually come to reality. Of course, in order to do so, KOR must finish first in their group play. :cool:
China are very beatable currently.
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Has it occurred to you that LYB is more and more worried that team CHN is at its most jittery state?(So much so that CHN feared KOR enough to pull out of GO08 to avoid KOR and that the fear is still there?)
...I really hope KOR wins the group as I think they have a great chance of beating CHN. Both mens doubles would have good chances of winning. Park against Lin Dan and Lee Hyun Il against Bao Chunlai, could also result in 2 victories for KOR. I'm not saying they will win for sure, but they do have the chance.

..isn't this thread the same topic as in this thread, below??..:confused:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43698

..isn't this thread the same topic as in this thread, below??..:confused:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43698
btw, the thread that u gave the link is thomas cup prediction, this thread is thomas cup playoff prediction:)
haha