Swiss Open 2008: Day 3 (13 Mar)

[george@chongwei]

chong wei leading 11-4 now..interva;l.

[george@chongwei]

carine, u not watching the livestreaming meh?

[LazyBuddy]

Fuzzy pair has absolutely no chance to qualify for the Olympics :cool:
Now, those 2 matches we saw just now are evidence that MAS doesn't fix matches. Fairly and fiercely played.....unlike last week's debacle.


Geezzz... You really have to try to drag every thread into this? :(

Remember, CHN players got accused for everything, which also including "not trying hard enough" (ZJW/YW in earler 2000s). Ok, so you want to put KKK/TBH and WCH (my favorite MS) to be in this basket instead? :eek::o

[robin7]

LCW is too strong for Dicky.

[badMania]

Taufik Hidayat got an easy ticket to the QF, where he will probably play Bao Chunlai.

[robin7]

LCW secured the 1st game 21-12 in 11".

[aeida]

easy game for LCW...

[george@chongwei]

yess!lee chong wei won the 1st set!

[ye333]

I thought the guy in red is Dicky. And almost concluded that LCW is playing "fixed". LOL. :D:D:D


LCW is too strong for Dicky.

[robin7]

The younger Danes are leading 19-17 while Salakjit is 11-8 up.

[thephyc]

dicky step up his game in the 2nd set. come on chong wei, shouldn't waste energy on this. focus, wrap it up quickly and rest before tomorrow's game!

[robin7]

Match pt for the younger Danes 20-17. Yes, taken. They'll face MAS uncles in QF.

[george@chongwei]

lee chong wei must wake up now..
shud not be taking forgranted.

[badMania]

Remember, CHN players got accused for everything, which also including "not trying hard enough" (ZJW/YW in earler 2000s). Ok, so you want to put KKK/TBH and WCH (my favorite MS) to be in this basket instead? :eek::o

I said that the matches were played fairly and squarely. What I merely pointed out was that Fairuz/Zakry are definitely not qualifying for Olympics 2008, yet, they fought hard and eventually upsetted the 3rd seed. Meanwhile, Wong Choong Hann is trying to qualify, and yet saw his efforts got derailed by a KLRC club player...his former teammate.

I don't think I ever mentioned anything about WCH or Koo/Tan "not trying hard enough" :eek::cool: On the contrary, if Team MAS was to follow Li Yongbo's well-known tactic, they could just let Fairuz/Zakry gave the match to Koo/Tan...give them the confidence to enter the QF also, after so many failures in recent months.

Compare this with Team China's own tactics last week. Or wait...we will have 1 crucial match coming up tomorrow....He Hanbin/Yu Yang vs Zheng Bo/Gao Ling. I think many ppl will bet that team orders will be given such that He Hanbin/Yu Yang will "win" that match, given that they need the points "badly", compared to their counterparts.

Yawn....

[robin7]

LCW 7-11 down.....

[yen_saw]

ZN suddenly woke up when down 8/12

[robin7]

Dicky suddenly woke up.

[george@chongwei]

omg, lee chong wei really needs to wake up now!!!

[thephyc]

wehhh 9-15?

COME. ON. CHONG. WEI!

[george@chongwei]

camon chong wei!!!!

[yen_saw]

rubber game maybe?

[badMania]

wehhh 9-15?

COME. ON. CHONG. WEI!

Chong Wei wants to "eliminate" Chen Jin :D
His defeat today will pave the way for Kenneth to enter the Final this week....;)

[robin7]

I guess there are too many unforced errors from LCW in the 2nd game.

[george@chongwei]

lcw is catching up!!
camon chongwei!!!

[robin7]

Chong Wei wants to "eliminate" Chen Jin :D
His defeat today will pave the way for Kenneth to enter the Final this week....;)
Wow, I've never thought of that!:D

[robin7]

LCW 14-19. Another error by LCW.

[george@chongwei]

damn ti!!
game point dicky!!:mad:

[badMania]

Wow, I've never thought of that!:D

I see no harm in LCW's defeat today. He is virtually guaranteed of a 2nd seed in the Olympics anyway.

[Dreamzz]

Chong Wei wants to "eliminate" Chen Jin :D
His defeat today will pave the way for Kenneth to enter the Final this week....;)


haha, wouldn't it be better then to win all the way then lose to kenneth instead??
:p

[yen_saw]

is a little too late for LCW to comeback

[george@chongwei]

damn!!!
dicky takes the 2nd game:mad::rolleyes:

[SiuMcFung]

i got sound but no pic on my streaming...any advice anyone?
:crying::(:(:crying:

[thephyc]

i agree, chong wei made way too many mistakes. finish up 3rd set, quick!

[badMania]

Salakjit Ponsana is till doing well against Zhang Ning...unbelievable.

[carine]

come on chong wei...

[robin7]

Wow, LCW lost the 2nd game.

[badMania]

So many u guys "bergadang"...hehe.....its too late for me to sleep anyway...sigh....

[Dreamzz]

not to worry folks, i'm sure he wasn't playing too seriously.

[robin7]

LCW is gonna be careful, he can still lose the match.

LCW 5-2.

[Birdwood]

Geezzz... You really have to try to drag every thread into this? :(

Remember, CHN players got accused for everything, which also including "not trying hard enough" (ZJW/YW in earler 2000s). Ok, so you want to put KKK/TBH and WCH (my favorite MS) to be in this basket instead? :eek::o


I said that the matches were played fairly and squarely. What I merely pointed out was that Fairuz/Zakry are definitely not qualifying for Olympics 2008, yet, they fought hard and eventually upsetted the 3rd seed. Meanwhile, Wong Choong Hann is trying to qualify, and yet saw his efforts got derailed by a KLRC club player...his former teammate.

I don't think I ever mentioned anything about WCH or Koo/Tan "not trying hard enough" :eek::cool: On the contrary, if Team MAS was to follow Li Yongbo's well-known tactic, they could just let Fairuz/Zakry gave the match to Koo/Tan...give them the confidence to enter the QF also, after so many failures in recent months.

Compare this with Team China's own tactics last week. Or wait...we will have 1 crucial match coming up tomorrow....He Hanbin/Yu Yang vs Zheng Bo/Gao Ling. I think many ppl will bet that team orders will be given such that He Hanbin/Yu Yang will "win" that match, given that they need the points "badly", compared to their counterparts.

Yawn....

What LazyBuddy said was there is no need to drag every thread through the mud. Some of us are here to enjoy badminton and your constant complaints about Chn players and anti-Chn stand do bother some of us. So please take your complaints with BWF if you have any.

[carine]

oh no,5 all ady...coe on chong wei

[robin7]

ZN is closing the gap from 8-14 to 12-14.

[SiuMcFung]

i got sound but no pic anyone know the problem with my streaming?

[robin7]

Hohoho, Dicky never gives up.....

[thephyc]

something wrong with chong wei's net-playing today.

[Hazeef]

i dun have a good feeling about chong wei
really have to close my streaming

[george@chongwei]

camon chongwei!!!
smash more!!!!

[carine]

gogogo chong wei,go farer n faster finish it

[carine]

come on chong wei.....

[badMania]

Zhang Ning should take this one though.

[yen_saw]

LCW pick up the steam!

[carine]

chong wei nw leading 11-7

[george@chongwei]

chong wei leads 11-7 !!
interval...gogogo faster finish it off!!!
i wanna sleep already!!///

[robin7]

LCW 11-7

Salakjit 18-18

[thephyc]

i dun have a good feeling about chong wei
really have to close my streaming

i think he'll do fine. just a matter of time :)

[george@chongwei]

ponsana 19-18 now

[robin7]

Salakjit at game pt 20-18.

[robin7]

LCW 14-7 up......

[carine]

chong wei leading 14-7...faster finish it

[yen_saw]

deuce! ZN and Bonsak's sister are going neck to neck

[badMania]

Salakjit at game pt 20-18.

Nah...Zhang Ning levels it at 20-20 :D
Anyone pawing on Salakjit?

[thephyc]

2nd racquet change for chong wei. hah.

[robin7]

LCW 15-7. Dicky is running out of steam?

[george@chongwei]

chong wei`s racquet`s string brake!!

[carine]

16-8..5 more pts

[robin7]

Nah...Zhang Ning levels it at 20-20 :D
Anyone pawing on Salakjit?
Not sure..........

[Hazeef]

aiyoo...salakjit lost dy

[george@chongwei]

and zhang ning wins her game!

[badMania]

Zhang Ning takes it...but not without some strain....21-16, 23-21.

[george@chongwei]

Nah...Zhang Ning levels it at 20-20 :D
Anyone pawing on Salakjit?
i paw on zhang ning:D

[yen_saw]

Gret game for SP.... ZN isn't as invincible as before

[robin7]

ZN won.

LCW 19-9 up.

[george@chongwei]

dicky no power already:D

[thephyc]

Dicky showing obvious sign of fatigue

[george@chongwei]

chong wei match point now!!

[carine]

match pt for chong wei

[george@chongwei]

yess!!
chong wei wins the game!!!

[robin7]

Match pt for LCW 20-9.

YES, taken 21-12.

[Hazeef]

OMG... heart attaack !! phew... good dat chong wei won..if not then i'll have too many dissapointments. unbearable..

[george@chongwei]

n lee chong wei finish it off with a smash!!

[morphy]

lcw seals it with his trademark crosscourt smash winner

[robin7]

MAS has 2 MS and 2 MD in tomorrow's QF.

[george@chongwei]

ok, time to sleep for me now..
good night!

[cooler]

OMG... heart attaack !! phew... good dat chong wei won..if not then i'll have too many dissapointments. unbearable..maybe save your heart attack for tomorrow like...'die another day'
kekeke:D:p

[CYW2006]

by the way..where u guys can watch the live...

[cooler]

by the way..where u guys can watch the live...

http://www.swissopen.com/index.php?id=8&L=1

[thephyc]

how sad. mew choo is the only seeded WS player out in round of 16.

[yen_saw]

How come the chinese MD is not on the court?

[badadum]

How come the chinese MD is not on the court?
hehehe, don't get badmania going :p

[badadum]

MK/HS is making mince meat out of the ENG pair, leads 15-1

[economet]

WO by one Chinese Pair announced

MK/HS toying with the English Pair.
According to the old score system the English pair got 0 point!

[economet]

Now the English pair scored a few points.

[badMania]

So far so good for the World Champion, leading 21-8.

[badadum]

WO by one Chinese Pair announced

MK/HS toying with the English Pair.
According to the old score system the English pair got 0 point!

LYB strikes again....gosh.....never fails.....

[yen_saw]

Well a free trip for CY/FH to the quater final i guess since they have the better to win.

[yen_saw]

MK/HS is slaugthering the British MD

[ye333]

It's a shame... What's the purpose? Both Guo/Xie and Cai/Fu are already qualified, and Cai/Fu's top 2 position is pretty safe. So there can be no "big purpose" behind this walkover.

Again, such a shame.


LYB strikes again....gosh.....never fails.....

[thephyc]

Haha. They finish wayyyy ahead of schedule. So which pair going to the QF tomorrow btw?

[badMania]

Slaughter will be an understatement as Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan progress to the QF after a straight forward 21-8, 21-10 victory over the English pair Robert Blair/Richard Eidestedt.

[badMania]

It's a shame... What's the purpose? Both Guo/Xie and Cai/Fu are already qualified, and Cai/Fu's top 2 position is pretty safe. So there can be no "big purpose" behind this walkover.

Again, such a shame.

Psst: It's Team China's luxury to WO u see...so...we as fans...should just accept these WOs as part of the game ;) Accept it and get over with it!

Oh...expect another routine WO again tomorrow. U know which match ;)

[badMania]

Well a free trip for CY/FH to the quater final i guess since they have the better to win.

U see..Guo Zhendong has a "routine" back injury that props up whenever he encounters Fu/Cai, like in Hong Kong Open 2007. This time, his back injury strikes him again...poor Guo....I hope he recovers soon.

[cooler]

LYB strikes again....gosh.....never fails.....if u got it, flaunt it:p

[nvpang]

as usual, walkover strategy again from china...they are too scared of losing the MD title. I wonder what excuse they gave this time to the organiser. ? 'injury' again from xie? he played really well with lots of heavy smashes yesterday despite the so-called 'back injury'

[badadum]

Psst: It's Team China's luxury to WO u see...so...we as fans...should just accept these WOs as part of the game ;) Accept it and get over with it!

Oh...expect another routine WO again tomorrow. U know which match ;)

You really think HH/YY will get a WO win? The chances of them toppling one of the INA pair out of the top 4 is slim. At best, they'll topple XZ/ZY instead....

[badadum]

if u got it, flaunt it:p

And alienate the fans in the process? I guess "you reap what you sow" :p

[economet]

During German Open Xie Zhongbo was really injured. His back is a real problem. He is now so slow. But it doesn't mean he can't play.

I talked to him and he is hopeful towards the Olympic Games.

as usual, walkover strategy again from china...they are too scared of losing the MD title. I wonder what excuse they gave this time to the organiser. ? 'injury' again from xie? he played really well with lots of heavy smashes yesterday despite the so-called 'back injury'

[cooler]

And alienate the fans in the process? I guess "you reap what you sow" :p if they 'are' their fans, they understood. :p Alienation only work on the non-fans:p

[apontoh]

shame on china....LYB is laughing seeing malaysia fight each other out, losing WCH and KKK/TBH in the process, while CY/FHF is gonna get free ticket to the quarters....

[apontoh]

sorry, I was wrong. CY/FHF has conceded WO to GZ/XZB....

[bananakid]

Oh my goodness, I hope Fu or Cai isn't seriously injured... LOL.

[badMania]

Apparently, its Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo who are in the QF :D
So, not Guo is not injured....maybe Fu or Cai is injured ;) Remember, Cai Yun did mention that he was not feeling so well last week :)

Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun are such a friend man.....whenever Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong lose early, they will stick through with them! What a friend indeed!

[Dreamzz]

yeah, i was a bit surprised by that.
unless they are trying to boost their second pair's ranking.

[Dreamzz]

Apparently, its Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo who are in the QF :D
So, not Guo is not injured....maybe Fu or Cai is injured ;) Remember, Cai Yun did mention that he was not feeling so well last week :)

Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun are such a friend man.....whenever Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong lose early, they will stick through with them! What a friend indeed!

oh, that's what happened! :rolleyes:
i guess MK/HS are less friendly than CY/FHF.

[ye333]

This makes a bit more sense... But actually this may not be a wise move. Xie/Guo is facing Lee/Jung tomorrow, they are really the underdog. Why not let CY/FHF demolish Lee/Jung's confidence?

One possible reason is the CY may have some injury (real ones!). CY/FHF indeed played lousy yesterday, and CY had this big knee-support on (not just tapes! :D).


sorry, I was wrong. CY/FHF has conceded WO to GZ/XZB....

[badMania]

Back to serious stuffs, with the remaining pairs in the draw, I hope Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan can lift the title...their first title in Europe this will be if they can triumph on Sunday.

[ye333]

This makes a bit more sense... But actually this may not be a wise move. Xie/Guo is facing Lee/Jung tomorrow, they are really the underdog. Why not let CY/FHF demolish Lee/Jung's confidence?

One possible reason is that CY may have some injury (real ones!). CY/FHF indeed played lousy yesterday, and CY had this big knee-support on (not just tapes! :D).


sorry, I was wrong. CY/FHF has conceded WO to GZ/XZB....

[badMania]

This makes a bit more sense... But actually this may not be a wise move. Xie/Guo is facing Lee/Jung tomorrow, they are really the underdog. Why not let CY/FHF demolish Lee/Jung's confidence?

One possible reason is the CY may have some injury (real ones!). CY/FHF indeed played lousy yesterday, and CY had this big knee-support on (not just tapes! :D).

I believe this time round Cai Yun is slightly not so well :o So, my bad :rolleyes:

[badadum]

if they 'are' their fans, they understood. :p Alienation only work on the non-fans:p

Understood?? Understood what exactly?? :p

[ye333]

That's true LOL. MK/HS, on the contrary, always "steals" the title when KKK/TBH are not around. :D



Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun are such a friend man.....whenever Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong lose early, they will stick through with them! What a friend indeed!

[smash_master]

how sad. mew choo is the only seeded WS player out in round of 16.

for sure it does suck, im actually surpised about the score to be honest. more so the score in the 2nd game, where she lost 6-21.

[badMania]

That's true LOL. MK/HS, on the contrary, always "steals" the title when KKK/TBH are not around. :D

I believe our many MAS fans will wake up from their sleep overjoyed later on :D Suddenly, they won't feel so bad anymore about Koo/Tan's defeat :o

[ye333]

MK/HS indeed should have the biggest chance. Interestingly, they seem to perform better as the tournament proceeds. So if anyone wants to eliminate them, better try this in the 1st round.

CY/FHF and KKK/TBH did the right thing this time. ;)


Back to serious stuffs, with the remaining pairs in the draw, I hope Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan can lift the title...their first title in Europe this will be if they can triumph on Sunday.

[ye333]

practising on Court 2 now? Anyone knows?

I am getting a free online badminton lesson I think. :D

Ah-Oh! They stopped the streaming! @?#!

[badMania]

MK/HS indeed should have the biggest chance. Interestingly, they seems to perform better as the tournament proceeds. So if anyone wants eliminate them, better try this in the 1st round.

CY/FHF and KKK/TBH did the right thing this time. ;)

As the Chinese saying goes...."as the going gets tougher, u perform better" :D Last week's AE was a super duper fluke :mad: A fatal one too...which led to Jung/Lee winning the prestigous title :mad:

What do u mean by doing the right thing this time :confused::o?? By losing in the second round????

[ye333]

I would not say it's a "fluke"... My impression is that MK/HS most of the times are pretty vulnerable in early rounds. But after the first two rounds, they become stronger and stronger, sometimes to the extent of formidable in SF and F.

Yes I mean it's wise for them to not face MK/HS this time. It seems to me from watching KKK/TBH vs. Zakry/Fairuz and CY/FHF vs. Canadian that KKK/TBH still has some problem and CY/FHF is not in good form. Especially CY/FHF, they would get demolished if they face MK/HS.


As the Chinese saying goes...."as the going gets tougher, u perform better" :D Last week's AE was a super duper fluke :mad: A fatal one too...which led to Jung/Lee winning the prestigous title :mad:

What do u mean by doing the right thing this time :confused::o?? By losing in the second round????

[samuel882]

anyone for conspiracy theory? ;)
Its written in the scripts. Fuzzt needs more points to keep their slim hopes for Qualifying the OG :cool:

[badMania]

I would not say it's a "fluke"... My impression is that MK/HS most of the times are pretty vulnerable in early rounds. But after the first two rounds, they become stronger and stronger, sometimes to the extent of formidable in SF and F.

Yes I mean it's wise for them to not face MK/HS this time. It seems to me from watching KKK/TBH vs. Zakry/Fairuz and CY/FHF vs. Canadian that KKK/TBH still has some problem and CY/FHF is not in good form. Especially CY/FHF, they would get demolished if they face MK/HS.

Ic...now I got your points :D

Quite true though your observation :cool: Looking at the results this year, their results in R32 are so-so only, being pushed to rubber-sets in two occassions this year, and losing once in straight sets. They also lost in R16 to Paaske/Rasmussen in Korea (that one quite expected though, given the chilly condition). For last year, they were pushed to rubber-sets 7 times in the first 2 rounds.

I am simply astounded by Koo/Tan's recent results....now even any ordinary pair can beat them....only Kido/Hendra have yet to beat them :o

[cooler]

That's true LOL. MK/HS, on the contrary, always "steals" the title when KKK/TBH are not around. :D
u dun need to steal from kkk/tbh, they'll give it to u,often without asking:p

[badMania]

To answer kwun's conspiracy theory question:

Knowing that Cai Yun is not feeling well, being such a good friend, Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong decide to lose early to accompany their good friends on a ski-ing trip down Swiss Alps :p

PS: don't take this one seriously okay....meant as a joke only :o

[samuel882]

What LazyBuddy said was there is no need to drag every thread through the mud. Some of us are here to enjoy badminton and your constant complaints about Chn players and anti-Chn stand do bother some of us. So please take your complaints with BWF if you have any.
I am with u, Birdword. someone just never learned...:cool:

[Wong8Egg]

Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun are such a friend man.....whenever Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong lose early, they will stick through with them! What a friend indeed!

I am totally convinced this time by badMania. :D

[badMania]

I am totally convinced this time by badMania. :D

Thanks for the compliments ;)

[samuel882]

MAS strategy to put the uncles as 1st MD for Thomas Cup instead of Koo/Tan. They will be more reliable to deliver the crucial second point for the ties.....

[ye333]

Well, but that hasn't happened yet (KKK/TBH lose to MK/HS). :D


u dun need to steal from kkk/tbh, they'll give it to u,often without asking:p

[ye333]

Possible indeed...


MAS strategy to put the uncles as 1st MD for Thomas Cup instead of Koo/Tan. They will be more reliable to deliver the crucial second point for the ties.....

[eaglehelang]

Its written in the scripts. Fuzzt needs more points to keep their slim hopes for Qualifying the OG :cool:

KKK/TBH like no mood to play. Fuzzy, same with Guo/Xie, also need OG pts, he he.;)

..........
I am simply astounded by Koo/Tan's recent results....now even any ordinary pair can beat them....only Kido/Hendra have yet to beat them :o


To answer kwun's conspiracy theory question:

Knowing that Cai Yun is not feeling well, being such a good friend, Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong decide to lose early to accompany their good friends on a ski-ing trip down Swiss Alps :p

PS: don't take this one seriously okay....meant as a joke only :o

Those who managed to watch livestream smoothly said KKK/TBH played 'weird' yesterday, werent their usual fast & furious selves. I also agree.
Anyway, now only left uncles & Fuzzy, Fu/Cai decided also to accompany them, so... your heros have good chance to win Swiss Open :D:D.


MAS strategy to put the uncles as 1st MD for Thomas Cup instead of Koo/Tan. They will be more reliable to deliver the crucial second point for the ties.....

Except for lousy finishing touch, yup, uncles nowadays more reliable than all the 5 younger pairs. Weird, must depend on soon-to-retire-uncles

[eaglehelang]

Is not going to be pretty when the Malaysia No 1 MD got back home...... at least the head coach has get use to them losing now!


I honestly think KKK/TBH's ranking will take a drastic drop, since they were Champions in AE & Swiss Open.


Frankly, Koo/Tan and WCH are supposed to "win". I mean, the wins for Fuzzy and Sairul are so insignificant as far as OG qualifying is concerned.:(
The losses have a lot of impact to the losers today. Wrong move.

Read Samuel's analysis on KKK/TBH lost. It's for TC in May for uncles to take 1st MD. But WCH, yes, he needs the OG pts to qualify
Yes, yen-saw, it will be bad when they return, NSC & BAM already angry after lost in AE, now....



An "injured" Lin Dan strolled to a fit beat Chen Yu.

he he he he:D:D:D, interesting

[Jessica]

So did you all mean that yesterday Koo/Tan lost purposely to Fuzzy to become the second mens double???If like this,i am not so worry but if they did not plan anything,then with their peformances yesterday,its really worrying..

[eaglehelang]

So did you all mean that yesterday Koo/Tan lost purposely to Fuzzy to become the second mens double???If like this,i am not so worry but if they did not plan anything,then with their peformances yesterday,its really worrying..

Oh yes, must add, this is not excuse for poor playing, as some will say we finding excuses.
Our NSC, BAM, whoever else already worry, the anxiety heighetened, more blastings to come very soon.
Well, BCers have commented on China & recent tourneys Korea when they play each other. You yourself saw them playing, KKK/TBH look like no mood.

[X Ball]

MAS strategy to put the uncles as 1st MD for Thomas Cup instead of Koo/Tan. They will be more reliable to deliver the crucial second point for the ties.....


I like to agree even if I feel uncomfortable. The 'uncles' are playing like they want to stay for another couple of years.

[ye333]

Maybe Mas fans know KKK/TBH better, but it seems to me KKK/TBH played pretty well, definitely better than when they lost to Jap pairs (They are not their "fast and furious" selves for a long time anyway :D). On the other hand, Fuzzy played better.

By the way, isn't it simply not possible that Mas has 3 pairs in top 4? Why bother "letting" Fuzzy win? :confused:


KKK/TBH like no mood to play. Fuzzy, same with Guo/Xie, also need OG pts, he he.;)

Those who managed to watch livestream smoothly said KKK/TBH played 'weird' yesterday, werent their usual fast & furious selves. I also agree.
Anyway, now only left uncles & Fuzzy, Fu/Cai decided also to accompany them, so... your heros have good chance to win Swiss Open :D:D.



Except for lousy finishing touch, yup, uncles nowadays more reliable than all the 5 younger pairs. Weird, must depend on soon-to-retire-uncles

[Pemuda]

So did you all mean that yesterday Koo/Tan lost purposely to Fuzzy to become the second mens double???If like this,i am not so worry but if they did not plan anything,then with their peformances yesterday,its really worrying..

I cant believe what I am reading here! :eek:

[Jessica]

I cant believe what I am reading here! :eek:
Well..I am not finding an excuse here amd i am really worrying about them...I just feel very curious...Please look at what other peoples post first.They really play very bad yesterday..:(:(

[Jessica]

Oh yes, must add, this is not excuse for poor playing, as some will say we finding excuses.
Our NSC, BAM, whoever else already worry, the anxiety heighetened, more blastings to come very soon.
Well, BCers have commented on China & recent tourneys Korea when they play each other. You yourself saw them playing, KKK/TBH look like no mood.
Yup..This is what i mean..

[eaglehelang]

I like to agree even if I feel uncomfortable. The 'uncles' are playing like they want to stay for another couple of years.

Or look at it this way, it's their last year, so go all out.


Maybe Mas fans know KKK/TBH better, but it seems to me KKK/TBH played pretty well, definitely better than when they lost to Jap pairs (They are not their "fast and furious" selves for a long time anyway :D). On the other hand, Fuzzy played better.

By the way, isn't it simply not possible that Mas has 3 pairs in top 4? Why bother "letting" Fuzzy win? :confused:

Errr, they played better during TC qualifiers.
Fuzzy are out to prove themselves worthy of being 3rd MD during TC in May. Read Samuel's statement. It's not about OG pts like Guo/Xie's case.

Yes, not possible for Msia to have 3 pairs, but uncle LWW has recurring knee injury, Fuzzy are reserve in case uncles get injured. They are currently no 14, they need to maintain top 16 to be reserve pair. If not, if uncles get injured, no replacement.

I didnt say KKK/TBH 'let' Fuzzy win, I said they like no mood = no motivation, either the losses, pressure or upcoming blastings got to them. While their team mates, Fuzzy, are out to prove their worthtiness

[samuel882]

It would be wise for MAS to send three of their MD pairs to Thomas Cup Finals :

Combo 1 : Koo + Zakry

Combo 2 : Tan + Fairuz

I can see both strength on this scratch pair, Fairuz can focus more control more in the net shot, while let TBH display his killer instinct -- Big smashes.
Zakry can execute some deadly drop shot from the base line , while Koo will have his control on the net -- The area which quite suits him.

Recently, one of the main reason for Koo/Tan Flops is both of them too eager to kill for a shuttle when it reach mid court
Perhaps the new combo like above could start as early as coming May...

[Pemuda]

Well..I am not finding an excuse here amd i am really worrying about them...I just feel very curious...Please look at what other peoples post first.They really play very bad yesterday..:(:(

Please dont jump the gun. I am not saying you are dishing out excuses. I am saying I find it unbelieveable that some here believed that KKK/TBH 'purposely' threw their game.

[Pemuda]

I didnt say KKK/TBH 'let' Fuzzy win, I said they like no mood = no motivation, either the losses, pressure or upcoming blastings got to them. While their team mates, Fuzzy, are out to prove their worthtiness

No mood & all!!?? :eek: My dear, just in case you are unaware, KKK/TBH are representing their country. And if they got no mood etc, they shouldnt be wasting BAM time and money sending them over to Europe to compete.

Didnt KKK say they are "Ready to pluncer in Europe" recently?? And now, no mood already??? :confused:

[jasonmarc]

Now a day....guys here have learned...this LYB strategy....lose match on purpose...just to let team mates gain points....sort like that....Fixing a match...and start to use their imagination...........to explains certain matches results............its LYB faults....hehehehehe

[eaglehelang]

No mood & all!!?? :eek: My dear, just in case you are unaware, KKK/TBH are representing their country. And if they got no mood etc, they shouldnt be wasting BAM time and money sending them over to Europe to compete.

Didnt KKK say they are "Ready to pluncer in Europe" recently?? And now, no mood already??? :confused:

So? They playing team mates, some also commented Chen Yu not really into it when playing LD. Same with BCL vs team mate last week at AE.

And nobody commented the above when the Korean MDs played each other, and when Lee/Hwang won German Open, some believed it was strategy to get Lee/Hwang into top 8. There were comments that both pairs werent really into it.
Same with LD vs CJ match. Since LD is fit this week, it's believed LD 'let' CJ win. And this not counting the walkovers & convenient retirements.

If ppl say they 'let' team mate win, you critise, if ppl say they no mood, you all also critise, then, China & Korea play strategy can ?


Jasonmarc - lol, some also counted how many points will get, and who need OG points more, he he. Those who are bet in badminton for China players easy only, read the prediction pages here, lol, can know results.
So far, 99% right.

[Pemuda]

So? They playing team mates, some also commented Chen Yu not really into it when playing LD. Same with BCL vs team mate last week at AE.

And nobody commented the above when the Korean MDs played each other, and when Lee/Hwang won German Open, some believed it was strategy to get Lee/Hwang into top 8. There were comments that both pairs werent really into it.
Same with LD vs CJ match. Since LD is fit this week, it's believed LD 'let' CJ win. And this not counting the walkovers & convenient retirements.

If ppl say they 'let' team mate win, you critise, if ppl say they no mood, you all also critise, then, China & Korea play strategy can ?

My dear,

Are you saying it is normal for shuttlers to have 'no mood' when they are playing against their compatriots??? :o

You are merely 'speculating' that LD let CJ win. Do you have any proof on such match fixing??? ... Seriously :rolleyes:

Not criticizing here. You dont be confused, please. Just finding it amusing for some who is spinning the defeat of KKK/TBH as a throwaway & aimlessly speculating the LD vs CJ match, plus the 'no mood' factor when shuttlers play against their countrymen/women.

[eaglehelang]

1) You are merely 'speculating' that LD let CJ win. Do you have any proof on such match fixing??? ... Seriously :rolleyes:

2) Not criticizing here. You dont be confused, please. Just finding it amusing for some who is spinning the defeat of KKK/TBH as a throwaway & aimlessly speculating the LD vs CJ match, plus the 'no mood' factor when shuttlers play against their countrymen/women.

1) Some even calculated the ranking pts, discussed in the other thread & by China fans as dropping out of top 4 means CJ cant go OG.

2) If it's other BCers(if it's about their fav players, whichever country), they will also get angry. I say in-direct also they get irritated, you say like that, they even more :mad:than me.
I was pointing out the no mood factor has also been observed in other country players when they play one another. For 'spinning', they also spin about the other players, not exclusive, ;).
Anyway, those so called "spining the defeat of KKK/TBH" are minority mah, you have many to accompany you in the critising side, either laughing in glee or ready with hammer (I didnt use the word bash like some would)

[george@chongwei]

what!!!!
i juz got up and knows that FHF/CY concedes a walkover to GZD/XZB??
damn it!!!:mad:

[george@chongwei]

Well..I am not finding an excuse here amd i am really worrying about them...I just feel very curious...Please look at what other peoples post first.They really play very bad yesterday..:(:(
yup!! they realy really playing very badly yesterday...(if u watched the match) :rolleyes::mad::mad::o
their style of play had changed completely...KKK is not always in front of the net to kill the shuttle..:rolleyes::(
hey jessica, why u yesterday sleep so fast?
i though u will be waiting for lee chong wei`s match:rolleyes::rolleyes:
anyway, lee chong wei survive a scare yesterday and wins the match:):rolleyes:

[george@chongwei]

lin dan won the match quite easily yesterday..:mad::rolleyes::o
dunno whats worng with this chen yu

[jasonmarc]

lin dan won the match quite easily yesterday..:mad::rolleyes::o
dunno whats worng with this chen yu

Nothing wrong with CY...just CY is so lousy...cant even win over a injured LD........or LD is so good...can win a match easily even with injury..:D:D:D

[Jessica]

yup!! they realy really playing very badly yesterday...(if u watched the match) :rolleyes::mad::mad::o
their style of play had changed completely...KKK is not always in front of the net to kill the shuttle..:rolleyes::(
hey jessica, why u yesterday sleep so fast?
i though u will be waiting for lee chong wei`s match:rolleyes::rolleyes:
anyway, lee chong wei survive a scare yesterday and wins the match:):rolleyes:Hmm..Sorry george for not staying up until LCW match finish because after KKK/TBH match,i feel very tired so i went to sleep..:p:p

[Pemuda]

1) Some even calculated the ranking pts, discussed in the other thread & by China fans as dropping out of top 4 means CJ cant go OG.

2) If it's other BCers(if it's about their fav players, whichever country), they will also get angry. I say in-direct also they get irritated, you say like that, they even more :mad:than me.
I was pointing out the no mood factor has also been observed in other country players when they play one another. For 'spinning', they also spin about the other players, not exclusive, ;).
Anyway, those so called "spining the defeat of KKK/TBH" are minority mah, you have many to accompany you in the critising side, either laughing in glee or ready with hammer (I didnt use the word bash like some would)

1. Again, before you go on and on speculating, I again ask you to provide proof that LD threw his game away to accomodate CJ.

2. What majority and minority are you talking about here now?? You said KKK/TBH had a "no mood" factor playing against their countrymen. And I find this very unprofessional because if true, then KKK/TBH are wasting public funds. It is not cheap to send them overseas. And coupled with the throw away spin, I find it amusing.

Simple as that.

[eaglehelang]

1. Again, before you go on and on speculating, I again ask you to provide proof that LD threw his game away to accomodate CJ.

2. What majority and minority are you talking about here now?? You said KKK/TBH had a "no mood" factor playing against their countrymen. And I find this very unprofessional because if true, then KKK/TBH are wasting public funds. It is not cheap to send them overseas. And coupled with the throw away spin, I find it amusing.

Simple as that.

1) this the others already discussed in the Chen Jin thread & AE reports by those at the stadium - their analysis is there, I didnt start it, read it yourself. The going on & on happens there.

2) Already discussed many times (X10) in the Prof Players section - either you didnt go thru/ you pretend not to know/you dont bother to make the connection.
<sigh> I already said this very direct - ppl also say same thing when it's China vs China or Korea vs Korea players look like not really into it, that they 'let' their team mates win for OG pts - that one you dont comment, this one you want to zero in.
Any same country playing, ppl will comment when it's not 100% exciting.
So, all these other players also unprofessional if they look 'no mood'/ 'dont really want to be there'?

Furthre example , No mood if against other country :
During Mo 2008, some also commented Lar/Jonas in Semis looked out of focus, I said they looked 'out of sorts'. Bf that they just beat no 1,2,3,5 seeds but dunno why, like 'no mood' in Semis. Some were wondering how on earth did Lar/Jonas managed to get into Semis.
In the end, they lost to Luluk/Alvent - so, they also unprofessional ?- since they are playing for country, cannot be 'no mood', plus some more against different country, even worse.
Lar/Jonas also looked out of sorts to me when they played Fuzzy in Copenhagen Masters.

[Pemuda]

1) this the others already discussed in the Chen Jin thread & AE reports by those at the stadium - their analysis is there, I didnt start it, read it yourself. The going on & on happens there.

2) Already discussed many times (X10) in the Prof Players section - either you didnt go thru/ you pretend not to know/you dont bother to make the connection.
<sigh> I already said this very direct - ppl also say same thing when it's China vs China or Korea vs Korea players look like not really into it, that they 'let' their team mates win for OG pts - that one you dont comment, this one you want to zero in.
Any same country playing, ppl will comment when it's not 100% exciting.
So, all these other players also unprofessional if they look 'no mood'/ 'dont really want to be there'?

Furthre example , No mood if against other country :
During Mo 2008, some also commented Lar/Jonas in Semis looked out of focus, I said they looked 'out of sorts'. Bf that they just beat no 1,2,3,5 seeds but dunno why, like 'no mood' in Semis. Some were wondering how on earth did Lar/Jonas managed to get into Semis.
In the end, they lost to Luluk/Alvent - so, they also unprofessional ?- since they are playing for country, cannot be 'no mood', plus some more against different country, even worse.
Lar/Jonas also looked out of sorts to me when they played Fuzzy in Copenhagen Masters.

My dear,

Please stay on subject now. What others have discussed is their business. I am refering to your statement; "Since LD is fit this week, it's believed LD 'let' CJ win. And this not counting the walkovers & convenient retirements" I asking you to NOT SPECULATE, unless you have PROOF that LD actually 'LET' CJ win. There is no need to read what others wrote. My request is for you specifically to provide proof that LD actually threw that game away, based on your statement.

Hope it is now clear enough for you.

Ok now for your playing against own countrymen/women and no mood thingy, it is getting more comical now. To equate KKK/TBH lost to no mood and playing against fellow Malaysians reminds me of this old proverb ; A drowning man catches at a straw :p

[eaglehelang]

Ok now for your playing against own countrymen/women and no mood thingy, it is getting more comical now. To equate KKK/TBH lost to no mood and playing against fellow Malaysians reminds me of this old proverb ; A drowning man catches at a straw :p

LD vs CJ no point for me to add, wasting energy for to put forth all the points all over again, since it's already extensively discussed in 2 different threads.

So? For 3rd time, we also comment about other country players similarly. It is not exclusive
You never comment that when it's other countries players, what does that show?
And whatever reason given for the lost, including that they didnt play well, it would be seen as excuse, which has happened many, many times. In other words, you all will complain anyway. And I did say in earlier posts it's no excuse for their performance.

Your point of view is still the majority view (already discussed) in real life - you dont have to debate or convince the remaining 15% to 20%. You often make it sound like you're the few who think so, in reality it's not so.
Just go to the street anywhere, you'll find that 80% share your view- since there are those here who think we are the majority, and that we gang up on you, :rolleyes:.
And yes, we're the ones being ridiculed all the time, from the sceptics & loyalist, it takes guts to be the minority, it's easy to be the majority.

And that's the end of it for Swiss Open..........

[Pemuda]

LD vs CJ no point for me to add, wasting energy for to put forth all the points all over again, since it's already extensively discussed in 2 different threads.

So? For 3rd time, we also comment about other country players similarly. It is not exclusive
You never comment that when it's other countries players, what does that show?
And whatever reason given for the lost, including that they didnt play well, it would be seen as excuse, which has happened many, many times. In other words, you all will complain anyway. And I did say in earlier posts it's no excuse for their performance.

Your point of view is still the majority view (already discussed) in real life - you dont have to debate or convince the remaining 15% to 20%. You often make it sound like you're the few who think so, in reality it's not so.
Just go to the street anywhere, you'll find that 80% share your view- since there are those here who think we are the majority, and that we gang up on you, :rolleyes:.
And yes, we're the ones being ridiculed all the time, from the sceptics & loyalist, it takes guts to be the minority, it's easy to be the majority.

And that's the end of it for Swiss Open..........

You are right there is no point for you to add further about LD throwing his game to CJ because you got nothing but mere speculation.

Me never comment about shuttlers from other countries??? Again, you are speculating. :rolleyes:

Let me point out to you again, I am not complaining. I am instead finding it comical, bordering on nonsensical that there are people like you who attributed that KKK/TBh lost due to no mood when playing against their fellow countrymen or they threw that game away.

Nothing to do with this majority and minority thingy you are beating about here.

[phaarix]

I asking you to NOT SPECULATE...

Can I ask what exactly is wrong with speculation? After all it IS merely speculation... If we didn't speculate I don't think humans would have come very far as a race :).

[Pemuda]

Can I ask what exactly is wrong with speculation? After all it IS merely speculation... If we didn't speculate I don't think humans would have come very far as a race :).

But what if the speculation is pure utter nonsense? I mean to say that LD intentionally threw his game to allow CJ to win is irresponsible. CJ won that game because he played a better game. And I think credit should be given to the man.

I think humans could have make this world a better place if they speculate sensibly. :)

[phaarix]

But what if the speculation is pure utter nonsense? I mean to say that LD intentionally threw his game to allow CJ to win is irresponsible. CJ won that game because he played a better game. And I think credit should be given to the man.

I think humans could have make this world a better place if they speculate sensibly. :)

Ahhh well fair enough then! Still I don't think it's total nonsense, there's plenty of reasons (sure they aren't "proof", but it's not like the speculation is based on absolutely nothing) people have come to that conclusion. I'm certainly not saying he DEFINITELY threw the game, but it does seem suspicious, that's all.

Oh and of course I give credit to Chen Jin! He played well to even make the final in the first place didn't he!

[jack200603]

quarel....isn't the method

[Pemuda]

Ahhh well fair enough then! Still I don't think it's total nonsense, there's plenty of reasons (sure they aren't "proof", but it's not like the speculation is based on absolutely nothing) people have come to that conclusion. I'm certainly not saying he DEFINITELY threw the game, but it does seem suspicious, that's all.

Oh and of course I give credit to Chen Jin! He played well to even make the final in the first place didn't he!

Point taken. But I would like to think the AE is a title any full blooded shuttler would want in their trophy cabinet. Thus I find it amusing to hear that LD gave it away to CJ.

[phaarix]

Point taken. But I would like to think the AE is a title any full blooded shuttler would want in their trophy cabinet. Thus I find it amusing to hear that LD gave it away to CJ.

Yeah true... oh well we'll never know either way for sure heh.