Swiss Open Day 6 - Finals (16 Mar)

[Dreamzz]

amazing win for the koreans, i thought they would have been too tired by now. shows how excellent their conditioning is.

[samuel882]

??? why mad ???:confused:
Yannie's Favourite :D

[narnia]

amazing win for the koreans, i thought they would have been too tired by now. shows how excellent their conditioning is.

They must have eaten BO-SHIN-TANG!

[yannie]

hehe.. mad and preparing to kill and grill.. kidding...

see you guys.. i go off bc now.. have a nice sunday!!!

[jasonmarc]

A great revenge for the KOR.......after they lost to MK/HS in WC 07 Final...

[badMania]

The key was the change of court....(like in set 2)....this was the times when the INA pair lost many many points...just like the Korea pair did in the first set and also in the beginning of set 3 when they allowed the INA pair to level it up at 6-6.

[narnia]

KOR could have won the 1st game... the three games showed who's strong enough!

[samuel882]

It is very hard to break the defense of the KOREAN !Ironically, their mentors all well known for the powerful smashes

[narnia]

The key was the change of court....(like in set 2)....this was the times when the INA pair lost many many points...just like the Korea pair did in the first set and also in the beginning of set 3 when they allowed the INA pair to level it up at 6-6.

Usual excuse....

[badMania]

The Koreans have indeed improved a lot under Ha Tae Kwon....credit to coach Ha for winning 3 straight titles in Europe this time! He must be a happy man!

[jasonmarc]

Good nite.....see ya India Open or ABC....JB...Bye..

[narnia]

It is very hard to break the defense of the KOREAN !Ironically, their mentors all well known for the powerful smashes

KOR just knew how to manage their tactics for each set..
INA... no strategy...

[badMania]

Usual excuse....

Excuse?? Even kwun also noticed it.

The INA pair lost fairly and squarely. No question about that.

[Jessica]

Usual excuse....
So harsh...The Korea did win it but their standard are pretty close to each other and Kido/Setiawan also win the World Champion title from this pair..:rolleyes::rolleyes:...

[samuel882]

KOREAN is more tactically superior in some aspect..

[narnia]

The Koreans have indeed improved a lot under Ha Tae Kwon....credit to coach Ha for winning 3 straight titles in Europe this time! He must be a happy man!

Don't foreget that he has been a coach since his retirement...

[Krisna]

Ouch.... these KOR youngsters are the real thing! Beware of them at the Olympics...

[narnia]

So harsh...The Korea did win it but their standard are pretty close to each other and Kido/Setiawan also win the World Champion title from this pair..:rolleyes::rolleyes:

WC was yesterday... we live today... and tomorrow(Beijing...)

[Jessica]

WC was yesterday... we live today... and tomorrow(Beijing...)
OK...Fine..I will live for Olympic game..;);):rolleyes:

[badMania]

Ouch.... these KOR youngsters are the real thing! Beware of them at the Olympics...

Too bad...Kido/Hendra couldn't break their duck in Europe.....maybe they should learn one thing or two from Fran/Rendra in winning a title in Europe eh ;)?

[narnia]

Ouch.... these KOR youngsters are the real thing! Beware of them at the Olympics...

Remember LYD is just 19... he only improves.... instead.. the old guys only go down...

[taufik-ist]

Usual excuse....

that's not an excuse... it is a game review :rolleyes: :D

[Dreamzz]

and the thomas cup, if they manage to win both doubles for most of the matches, PSH and LHI could pull off a win and take the TC back to korea for the first time ever ....

[eaglehelang]

COngrats to Lee/Jung for winning back to back SS titles.
And 3rd Finals in a row. Great stamina

[ye333]

Wow, you sound so deep! Care to explain a bit?


WC was yesterday... we live today... and tomorrow(Beijing...)

[narnia]

and the thomas cup, if they manage to win both doubles for most of the matches, PSH and LHI could pull off a win and take the TC back to korea for the first time ever ....

Maybe LYD will play singles again.. :D

[nick.h]

haiya....what does the future hold for indonesia's badminton?

[taufik-ist]

korean MDs are on the right track of getting back their supremacy like PJB/KMS era... other countries should be aware

[narnia]

haiya....what does the future hold for indonesia's badminton?

Just scout PJB..

[Dreamzz]

haiya....what does the future hold for indonesia's badminton?

same as for MAS badminton, not very much at all ....
though i think INA have more aces up their sleeves than MAS do at the moment.

[pjswift]

Aiyoo, trying to 'support' ye333's statement-lah, no giving excuse. Try to support others can kena, <sigh>

LOL, in real life of Msian badminton, any reason given by the players/coaches, including injury, is considered an excuse. And definitely LCW has to answer to NSC, BAM when he comes back to Msia - NSC & BAM not happy how come can lose to CJ tamely during AE.
Tonite also, LCW is answerable as to 'how come didnt put up a fight?' That's the real scenario, no pretension.
I remember now the REAL reason. It's because BAM messed up LCW's preparations by asking him to help in some elections.Like play MD with some political spinner.When are they gonna learn to say 'no'? Easy. Just bring up this example and said it cost MAS two MS titles. 'IF LCW helps out and lose 2 titles, you answer to NSC and Sports Minister, Ok?' 'Err..In that case ,better not, better don't play,play.'

[Dreamzz]

Maybe LYD will play singles again.. :D

i certainly hope not!
he was awful!
:p

[narnia]

korean MDs are on the right track of getting back their supremacy like PJB/KMS era... other countries should be aware

PJB got his first AE title at his 21... but LYD is just 19... 2 yrs are huge.

[taufik-ist]

haiya....what does the future hold for indonesia's badminton?

dun worry man.. yesterday ina won, today korean wins, tommorrow ina must win :mad: :D

[badMania]

haiya....what does the future hold for indonesia's badminton?

Not too bad IMHO, compared to couple of years back (in MD, XD at least). We just need to expose the young pairs to more international events.....

In MD, we have:
Kido/Hendra (still only 23)
Rian/Yoke (hopefully they can rise up to top 10 this year)
Fran/Rendra (not sure...but at least top 16 should be accomplished)
Bona/Ahsan
Wifqi/Afiat

In XD:
Rijal/Grace
Tantowi/Yulianti

[narnia]

dun worry man.. yesterday ina won, today korean wins, tommorrow ina must win :mad: :D

I wonder tomorrow who will play for INA?? any younger ones?

[apontoh]

2008 may well be remembered as the Return of Korea...very impressive display...

as for INA...sigh...failure after failure after failure....

[Dreamzz]

it's scary to imagine what KOR MD will be like if PJB goes back to KOR. if he performs there like what he's doing with the JAP team, wow, they will really dominate the scene ....

[robin7]

JJS/LYD dashed the hopes of cooler and Maximum finishing on top in PAWing. Congratz to Miss Ipoh.

The Koreans are amazing considering they have been playing for 3 back-to-back tourneys plus LYD is playing both MD & XD.

[taufik-ist]

PJB got his first AE title at his 21... but LYD is just 19... 2 yrs are huge.

but it's still very` far to compare LYD with PJB :p... i dun know what happens next.. is he going uphill or downhill

[apontoh]

Not too bad IMHO, compared to couple of years back (in MD, XD at least). We just need to expose the young pairs to more international events.....

In MD, we have:
Kido/Hendra (still only 23)
Rian/Yoke (hopefully they can rise up to top 10 this year)
Fran/Rendra (not sure...but at least top 16 should be accomplished)
Bona/Ahsan
Wifqi/Afiat

In XD:
Rijal/Grace
Tantowi/Yulianti

yep...but no worthy replacement for Taufik in sight...and the WS will remain in the doldrums for a while too...

[narnia]

it's scary to imagine what KOR MD will be like if PJB goes back to KOR. if he performs there like what he's doing with the JAP team, wow, they will really dominate the scene ....

don't worry about it. he won't i bet.

[badMania]

2008 may well be remembered as the Return of Korea...very impressive display...

as for INA...sigh...failure after failure after failure....

I am not too disheartened...considering our dismal record in Europe :cool:

Remember, Kido/Hendra only reached QF and SF in Denmark and French Opens respectively. This time round, a Final against the much-improved All-England Champions. Too bad about the defeat, but, another match experience gained for the pair and Mas Sigit Pamungkas to prepare them better for the Olympics.

The key titles this year are the All-England and Olympics, plus the Thomas Cup (if possible). AE was gone last week....now for the big one....

[apontoh]

it's scary to imagine what KOR MD will be like if PJB goes back to KOR. if he performs there like what he's doing with the JAP team, wow, they will really dominate the scene ....

at this rate, they could well challenge CHN's hegemony a couple years down the track

[nick.h]

dun worry man.. yesterday ina won, today korean wins, tommorrow ina must win :mad: :D

amin amin :D...kido/hendra is now world no.1 we'll definitely get a good MD draw for OG...hopefully bang sigit pamungkas can come up with breath-taking/killer strategies...

[taufik-ist]

I wonder tomorrow who will play for INA?? any younger ones?

we have plenty of young potential players.. it's just a matter of time.. PBSI must give them more chances to play in many tournaments :mad:

[Dreamzz]

i hope so.
i think it's tragic that KOR and DEN have never won the TC.
no disrespect to the winners in the past of course, but for these 2 teams who have such a outstanding tradition of great badminton not to have won the TC is ..... well .... tragic is the only way i can describe it.

[eaglehelang]

I remember now the REAL reason. It's because BAM messed up LCW's preparations by asking him to help in some elections.Like play MD with some political spinner.When are they gonna learn to say 'no'? Easy. Just bring up this example and said it cost MAS two MS titles. 'IF LCW helps out and lose 2 titles, you answer to NSC and Sports Minister, Ok?' 'Err..In that case ,better not, better don't play,play.'

Nooooo, cannot give that reason, means LCW is "mentally weak" lah. If he's mentally strong enuf, anything happen also cannot distract him. No excuse allowed at all. ;)
KKK/TBH's case, the politician was critised by opposition party. From then on, no political related activities for MD players he he.
Dont think there'll be any more for LCW either, change of ruling party for his state.:D

[taufik-ist]

I am not too disheartened...considering our dismal record in Europe :cool:

Remember, Kido/Hendra only reached QF and SF in Denmark and French Opens respectively. This time round, a Final against the much-improved All-England Champions. Too bad about the defeat, but, another match experience gained for the pair and Mas Sigit Pamungkas to prepare them better for the Olympics.

The key titles this year are the All-England and Olympics, plus the Thomas Cup (if possible). AE was gone last week....now for the big one....

europe tournaments are really realy unfriendly for ina players :o:(

[badMania]

europe tournaments are really realy unfriendly for ina players :o:(

Relax bro....it's part of life :D

We are used to that anyway.....

[eaglehelang]

don't worry about it. he won't i bet.

Why you sound so sure PJB not going back Korea?

[Dreamzz]

europe tournaments are really realy unfriendly for ina players :o:(


i wonder why, it's very strange, some kinda psychological barrier?

[narnia]

europe tournaments are really realy unfriendly for ina players :o:(

might be from the cold weather? If then, it would be good for the OG.

[nick.h]

we have plenty of young potential players.. it's just a matter of time.. PBSI must give them more chances to play in many tournaments :mad:

in order to do so, PBSI must look for an incredibly huge sponsor...btw how come INA government is not sponsoring PBSI anymore?:confused:

[eaglehelang]

Relax bro....it's part of life :D

We are used to that anyway.....

Cos you know China & HK tourneys very good for your mighties, he he

[narnia]

Why you sound so sure PJB not going back Korea?

for the political matters... you might understand it..

[badMania]

Cos you know China & HK tourneys very good for your mighties, he he

I would have expected them to lose to Malaysian pairs here....with Koo/Tan and Choong/Lee as possible opponents in SF and F anyway :o

[Dreamzz]

i wonder how they would fare against KKK/TBH now. it seems a good time to break their duck against them as well.

[eaglehelang]

for the political matters... you might understand it..

PJB is from South Korea, not North right? After his contract is finished in Japan, he can go back if he wants to - I mean that's the usual thing. Not familiar with any "political matters" you mean.

[Dreamzz]

he/she means there was some .... errr .... issues with the korean BA when he left.

[narnia]

PJB is from South Korea, not North right? After his contract is finished in Japan, he can go back if he wants to - I mean that's the usual thing. Not familiar with any "political matters" you mean.

I meant if he could go join the coaching staff not just to his home country... ;)

[taufik-ist]

in order to do so, PBSI must look for an incredibly huge sponsor...btw how come INA government is not sponsoring PBSI anymore?:confused:

i don't know the way they think... imagine how many PBSI can send their players to tournaments if all local governments (pemkot/pemda) support PBSI instead of sponsoring useless football teams :mad:

[eaglehelang]

I would have expected them to lose to Malaysian pairs here....with Koo/Tan and Choong/Lee as possible opponents in SF and F anyway :o

Against the uncles, maybe, if it was AE. KKK/TBH are going thru their 2nd lowest of low periods, dunno, they might not have lasted against your heros.
Fuzzy almost did it, almost only, now must take Korean ginseng also :D.

[badMania]

i wonder why, it's very strange, some kinda psychological barrier?

Perhaps...Flandy/Vita give us that solitary French Open title last year. The last time we won the Swiss Open was in 2005, Candra/Sigit. AE was in 2003 also by the same pair....for Denmark Open...couldn't recall any in the past 5-6 years. As for German Open, Flandy/Eng Hian won that in 2003. They also won the Swiss Open in the same year.

However, we are quite successful in the Dutch Open lately though :D Must be the relationship we had with the Dutch....

[taufik-ist]

Perhaps...Flandy/Vita give us that solitary French Open title last year. The last time we won the Swiss Open was in 2005, Candra/Sigit. AE was in 2003 also by the same pair....for Denmark Open...couldn't recall any in the past 5-6 years. As for German Open, Flandy/Eng Hian won that in 2003. They also won the Swiss Open in the same year.

However, we are quite successful in the Dutch Open lately though :D Must be the relationship we had with the Dutch....

ha..ha.... they ever occupied/colonized our country ... mightbe that's the realationship.our players want to play like our heroes beat the colonialist :D :D

[Krisna]

in order to do so, PBSI must look for an incredibly huge sponsor...btw how come INA government is not sponsoring PBSI anymore?:confused:

Actually... for the past 6 months the government gave quite a sizeable sum of money for PBSI in anticipation for the Olympics... :) No guarantees after that, though... :o Between 2004-2006, for example, PBSI got nothing from the INA government...

[Dreamzz]

However, we are quite successful in the Dutch Open lately though :D Must be the relationship we had with the Dutch....

hahaha, i hardly think that'll have any affect. though i do appreciate that it's only a joke.

i suspect it may have something to do with the travelling, being jet lagged and all that. arriving 2 days before a tournament starts is barely enough time to get your body clock to adjust properly, especially if you're scheduled to play late, say 8PM GMT which is something like 5AM in INA.

[Dreamzz]

Actually... for the past 6 months the government gave quite a sizeable sum of money for PBSI in anticipation for the Olympics... :) No guarantees after that, though... :o Between 2004-2006, for example, PBSI got nothing from the INA government...

that's shocking, so who are the main sponsors of PBSI if the govt decides not to contribute anything? i would have thought it would get good support given it's probably the 2nd most popular sport after football.

[Krisna]

i don't know the way they think... imagine how many PBSI can send their players to tournaments if all local governments (pemkot/pemda) support PBSI instead of sponsoring useless football teams :mad:

Oh, that's because badminton in INA is not set-up to "defend the region's honor" like the local football clubs... :p Anyway, today the local government cannot fund their local football clubs anymore... :p

[Krisna]

that's shocking, so who are the main sponsors of PBSI if the govt decides not to contribute anything? i would have thought it would get good support given it's probably the 2nd most popular sport after football.

The head of PBSI's main role is to get funds. Thus the head is almost always a powerful government official [like Sutiyoso, this time around]. As the governor of Jakarta, Sutiyoso will coerce the Jakarta real estate developers to give him a total of Rp 20 billion every year... :o [otherwise, no real-estate licenses for them]

[Dreamzz]

The head of PBSI's main role is to get funds. Thus the head is almost always a powerful government official [like Sutiyoso, this time around]. As the governor of Jakarta, Sutiyoso will coerce the Jakarta real estate developers to give him a total of Rp 20 billion every year... :o [otherwise, no real-estate licenses for them]

how much is that?
about 2m USD?
that's gotta be more than what BAM gets.
hmmmmm, it'll be interesting to find out how much funding each national badminton association gets.

[sonnymak]

Congratulations Lin Dan. He played marvellously to deny LCW his second title.

But the best thing is not his victory but the fact that LCW and LD were seem chatting at the end of the match with amity and smiles.

Did anyone saw LD patting LCW's stomach and LCW whispering in LD's ears.
Looks like LD has put his arrogance behind him and had bonded with LCW.

LOOKS LIKE THE KOREANS MD are back to be a force to be reckoned with after lackluster 2007.

No longer the OG gold would go to either the favorites of FHF/CY, MK/HS or TBH/KKK. The two koreans MDs are stamping their mark and they may peak just the right time.

there goes Malaysia's OG dream.

But at least Tazari/Latif have improved, they need to be more stable. Their are already 24 and have not won anything yet.

But then again, Rexy and Ricky only achieved success in major tournaments after 24, so did Razif and Jailani Sidek so if they improve their temperament they may go far yet.

[cooler]

Congratulations Lin Dan. He played marvellously to deny LCW his second title.

But the best thing is not his victory but the fact that LCW and LD were seem chatting at the end of the match with amity and smiles.

Did anyone saw LD patting LCW's stomach and LCW whispering in LD's ears.
Looks like LD has put his arrogance behind him and had bonded with LCW.

LOOKS LIKE THE KOREANS MD are back to be a force to be reckoned with after lackluster 2007.

No longer the OG gold would go to either the favorites of FHF/CY, MK/HS or TBH/KKK. The two koreans MDs are stamping their mark and they may peak just the right time.

there goes Malaysia's OG dream.

But at least Tazari/Latif have improved, they need to be more stable. Their are already 24 and have not won anything yet.

But then again, Rexy and Ricky only achieved success in major tournaments after 24, so did Razif and Jailani Sidek so if they improve their temperament they may go far yet.
very good observation sonny.
I think rexy should concentrate training on Fuzzy and the uncle MD pairs for the OG.

[ye333]

After watching AE SF, I would say the uncles' chance of taking the title is very slim. They are too old to match young ppl's speed at crucial points. :cool:


very good observation sonny.
I think rexy should concentrate training on Fuzzy and the uncle MD pairs for the OG.

[Wong8Egg]

Congratulations Lin Dan. He played marvellously to deny LCW his second title.

But the best thing is not his victory but the fact that LCW and LD were seem chatting at the end of the match with amity and smiles.

Did anyone saw LD patting LCW's stomach and LCW whispering in LD's ears.
Looks like LD has put his arrogance behind him and had bonded with LCW.

LOOKS LIKE THE KOREANS MD are back to be a force to be reckoned with after lackluster 2007.

No longer the OG gold would go to either the favorites of FHF/CY, MK/HS or TBH/KKK. The two koreans MDs are stamping their mark and they may peak just the right time.

there goes Malaysia's OG dream.

But at least Tazari/Latif have improved, they need to be more stable. Their are already 24 and have not won anything yet.

But then again, Rexy and Ricky only achieved success in major tournaments after 24, so did Razif and Jailani Sidek so if they improve their temperament they may go far yet.

Good observations between LD and LCW. And yeah, I think the Korean's MD (their whole team actually) is going strong lately, especially LYD/JJS.

For the Malaysian team, I think we should give more credit to the uncles for entering semis consistently. They have better chance IMO to capture gold than KKK/TBH if they get their mind set out straight and stop fooling around in crucial moment, sadly, they have yet able to fix that simple mistake for the past decade.:(

[cooler]

After watching AE SF, I would say the uncles' chance of taking the title is very slim. They are too old to match young ppl's speed at crucial points. :cool:
dont sell the uncles too cheap, winning a silver or bronze is still possible and still admirable. The uncles should train hard to peak in august and give everything to got in the OG. Cant ask anything more from them after that.

[ye333]

They should have not much difficulty getting into SF, but after that, it's hard. They may have better chance getting into Final if they meet CY/FHF in SF, whose style is kind of straightforward.

It's hard to beat age. Especially in MD which is all about speed and reflex. Seems to me they are slower (mentally and physically) in AE08 than in WC07. When they held 4 match points in SF, LYD changed pace and the uncles simply cannot keep up. :cool:


dont sell the uncles too cheap, winning a silver or bronze is still possible and still admirable. The uncles should train hard to peak in august and give everything to got in the OG. Cant ask anything more from them after that.

[CLELY]

CHN is back to business and claims 4 titles first time in this year. At different side, INA must back home with empty hand from Europe tournament, only two runner-ups as maximum outcome this time.

Wow, KOR MD has positive trend now particularly Jung Jae Sung/Lee Young Dae who have made three finals in three consecutive weeks and won back-to-back SS title. They show good indication to become serious contender for Beijing Gold, continue Athens victory by Ha Tae Kwon/Kim Dong Moon.

[pjswift]

They should have not much difficulty getting into SF, but after that, it's hard. They may have better chance getting into Final if they meet CY/FHF in SF, whose style is kind of straightforward.

It's hard to beat age. Especially in MD which is all about speed and reflex. Seems to me they are slower (mentally and physically) in AE08 than in WC07. When they held 4 match points in SF, LYD changed pace and the uncles simply cannot keep up. :cool:
Well, in both AE and SWO, they lost to the eventual champion in SF. Not bad already and along the way they took out younger,faster opponents.To reach two consecutive SF at their age means they're still macho.
You look at LYD play, you can tell he has trained particularly for closing.It's high risk but also high return but the chances for high return increase with a specific training segment.Most times it works (MD) sometimes it doesn't(XD).If LYD had not trained for closing,then it likely will be most times it doesn't work, sometimes it does.That's what makes the big difference.
MAS uncles looked like they did not have that kind of training or if they had , the training hasn't reached the threshold to show results yet.But if it has been started,it will come.Rexy maybe should review and check that he's working his boys on the right syllabus 100%.If it's 90% right syllabus and 10% wrong syllabus and they work extra hard, they won't ace the exams.It's that competitive now,partly sparked by the NSS.(He's gotta remember his time is the OSS,mentally less urgent in play)

[Oldhand]

They should have not much difficulty getting into SF, but after that, it's hard. They may have better chance getting into Final if they meet CY/FHF in SF, whose style is kind of straightforward.

It's hard to beat age. Especially in MD which is all about speed and reflex. Seems to me they are slower (mentally and physically) in AE08 than in WC07. When they held 4 match points in SF, LYD changed pace and the uncles simply cannot keep up. :cool:
It beats me why a great many of us refer to Choong Tan Fook & Lee Wan Wah as 'uncles' :confused:
What's the age bracket that qualifies them to be so labelled?

As for "it's hard to beat age", you might be right if that could be interpreted differently (as "it's hard to beat experience") :D

Tony Gunawan, Kim Dong Moon, Park Joo Bong, Sigit Budiarto, Candra Wijaya, Jonas Rasmussen, Jens Eriksen, et al, are living, breathing proof that greater heights in MD perhaps lie in the 30s ;)

Why shouldn't this apply to CTF and LWW? :cool:

[economet]

You are right!
There is a special training for closing developed by the former Malaysian coach Tan Kim Her!

Unfortunately for Korea and Malaysia, he moved to UK along with his family.
Tan Kim Her had a quarrel with BAM, the Malaysian Badminton Association.

All these training methods were originally introduced and developed under Park Joobong during his era in Malaysis where Tan Kim Her was his assistant coach.

So the older Malysian players should know the contents and methods of this secial training.


Well, in both AE and SWO, they lost to the eventual champion in SF. Not bad already and along the way they took out younger,faster opponents.To reach two consecutive SF at their age means they're still macho.
You look at LYD play, you can tell he has trained particularly for closing.It's high risk but also high return but the chances for high return increase with a specific training segment.Most times it works (MD) sometimes it doesn't(XD).If LYD had not trained for closing,then it likely will be most times it doesn't work, sometimes it does.That's what makes the big difference.
MAS uncles looked like they did not have that kind of training or if they had , the training hasn't reached the threshold to show results yet.But if it has been started,it will come.Rexy maybe should review and check that he's working his boys on the right syllabus 100%.If it's 90% right syllabus and 10% wrong syllabus and they work extra hard, they won't ace the exams.It's that competitive now,partly sparked by the NSS.(He's gotta remember his time is the OSS,mentally less urgent in play)

[eaglehelang]

It beats me why a great many of us refer to Choong Tan Fook & Lee Wan Wah as 'uncles' :confused:
What's the age bracket that qualifies them to be so labelled?



Why shouldn't this apply to CTF and LWW? :cool:

He he, any player above 30 is 'labelled' uncle. Plus, they are 6 to 10 years older than the rest of the Msia MD players.
Other than age, both have old knee injuries that bug them from time to time, LWW's one being more serious since he have had surgery for it.

[huangkwokhau]

He he, any player above 30 is 'labelled' uncle. Plus, they are 6 to 10 years older than the rest of the Msia MD players.
Other than age, both have old knee injuries that bug them from time to time, LWW's one being more serious since he have had surgery for it.
Basically you or me is part of the Uncle category.........:D:D

[eaglehelang]

Basically you or me is part of the Uncle category.........:D:D

Yup, me is auntie, you is uncle, then what we call fastdrop & Loh? Grand uncles? :D:D:D

[ctjcad]

After watching AE SF, I would say the uncles' chance of taking the title is very slim. They are too old to match young ppl's speed at crucial points. :cool:

...
For the Malaysian team, I think we should give more credit to the uncles for entering semis consistently. They have better chance IMO to capture gold than KKK/TBH if they get their mind set out straight and stop fooling around in crucial moment, sadly, they have yet able to fix that simple mistake for the past decade.:(

dont sell the uncles too cheap, winning a silver or bronze is still possible and still admirable. The uncles should train hard to peak in august and give everything to got in the OG. Cant ask anything more from them after that.

They should have not much difficulty getting into SF, but after that, it's hard. They may have better chance getting into Final if they meet CY/FHF in SF, whose style is kind of straightforward.

It's hard to beat age. Especially in MD which is all about speed and reflex. Seems to me they are slower (mentally and physically) in AE08 than in WC07. When they held 4 match points in SF, LYD changed pace and the uncles simply cannot keep up. :cool:

Well, in both AE and SWO, they lost to the eventual champion in SF. Not bad already and along the way they took out younger,faster opponents.To reach two consecutive SF at their age means they're still macho.
...

...
As for "it's hard to beat age", you might be right if that could be interpreted differently (as "it's hard to beat experience") :D

Tony Gunawan, Kim Dong Moon, Park Joo Bong, Sigit Budiarto, Candra Wijaya, Jonas Rasmussen, Jens Eriksen, et al, are living, breathing proof that greater heights in MD perhaps lie in the 30s ;)

Why shouldn't this apply to CTF and LWW? :cool:
:)..sure, the "oldies" or "uncles" can still compete, give the young ones a run for their money and advance further in a tourney using their vast experiences. But i also echo ye333's sentiment (and i've mentioned few times before). In MD, the name of the game is speed and power, esp. in the current era. And some of the current "uncles" or "oldies", who are still competing, (those mentioned by Oldhand above), IMO, have passed their primes. Esp. in a physically and mentally demanding sport like badminton, it's already mentally and physically tough/demanding enough to compete and advance further in a tourney, let alone win it all (well, at least Tony and Candra won/successfully defended the Japan Open last yr).
It's too bad though, we didn't get to see more of them during their peak/prime yrs (e.g. Tony G. and KDM, due to them quitting their respective national teams).:(

[singhzico]

KIDO and SETIAWAN are sick! Kido is just too strong for his size, and SETIAWAN'S net plays are siiiick! :D


:):cool:Komosta I know 4 a fact kababayan's are not 2 keen on badminton

[singhzico]

I like kimchi more than gado-gado!:p

:):cool:I think Bulgoki is better

[singhzico]

where are you watching live?

:cool:mALAYSIAN DISH NETWORK DECODER

[singhzico]

yes..he's chinesse indonesian :D i think what TH_for president meant is the only non china player :rolleyes: :D

:cool::cool::cool::):):)
Any relation 2 Lim Swie King

[singhzico]

:cool:
not forgeting the 2 Mohd, aka Fuzzy, and Ah Shen, Ah Hock, Ah Chai, Ah FUi, Ah How, Ah Kiong also.


;)

:cool::cool::cool::cool: Don't 4get Ah Choo

[sonnymak]

The fact that the Uncles, are still playing top flight badminton means that the young MD champions these days are not in the same calibre with players like Ha-Kim. Lee-Yu, Chandra-Tony-Sigit, Rexy-Ricky or Cheah-Yap because our uncles were no where near those players when they were strating out 10 years ago or even 5 years ago.

The Uncles are moving up the ranking to No. 4 and they were at that level some 5 or 6 years ago and were in top 4 on and off.

[X Ball]

The fact that the Uncles, are still playing top flight badminton means that the young MD champions these days are not in the same calibre with players like Ha-Kim. Lee-Yu, Chandra-Tony-Sigit, Rexy-Ricky or Cheah-Yap because our uncles were no where near those players when they were strating out 10 years ago or even 5 years ago.

The Uncles are moving up the ranking to No. 4 and they were at that level some 5 or 6 years ago and were in top 4 on and off.

I kinda agree -- I remember the way Tan Yee Khan and Ng Boon Bee played. KKK-TBH are nowhere near their explosiveness. TYK & NBB used to smash a lot.

[george@chongwei]

:cool:

:cool::cool::cool::cool: Don't 4get Ah Choo
dont forget ah fook, ah wah also:p

[Loh]

Yup, me is auntie, you is uncle, then what we call fastdrop & Loh? Grand uncles? :D:D:D

I rather be "dumped" into the "senior gentlemen" category! :D:D:D Auntie!

[Loh]

:):cool:I think Bulgoki is better

I was surprised to learn that kimchi has such excellent properties as being able to ward off cancer or the flu.

It appears that during the SARs crisis, while other Asian countries were suffering from SARs, South Korea was immuned.

And I was flabbergasted to learn that there are so many varieties of Kimchi and the vegetable-mix of ingredients used really astonishes the eye, with red chllies added in great abundance! They even have a kimchi museum in Korea! :cool:

I am now looking more forward to tasting this spicy and tasty dish. :)

[Louisa]

I rather be "dumped" into the "senior gentlemen" category! :D:D:D Auntie!
hmmm, ok, senior uncle loh, old is old, u know, don't deny it....me, Auntie Cat, too:D:D:D

I was surprised to learn that kimchi has such excellent properties as being able to ward off cancer or the flu.

It appears that during the SARs crisis, while other Asian countries were suffering from SARs, South Korea was immuned.

And I was flabbergasted to learn that there are so many varieties of Kimchi and the vegetable-mix of ingredients used really astonishes the eye, with red chllies added in great abundance! They even have a kimchi museum in Korea! :cool:

I am now looking more forward to tasting this spicy and tasty dish. :)
can share abit?????????????????????:p

[cooler]

And I was flabbergasted to learn that there are so many varieties of Kimchi and the vegetable-mix of ingredients used really astonishes the eye, with red chllies added in great abundance! They even have a kimchi museum in Korea! :cool: They have kimchi in space too;)

[Oldhand]

What's kimchi doing in this thread? :(

[Loh]

hmmm, ok, senior uncle loh, old is old, u know, don't deny it....me, Auntie Cat, too:D:D:D

can share abit?????????????????????:p

We don't use this term anymore. It is out of fashion. "Mature" is the in-thing now. :D

[Loh]

What's kimchi doing in this thread? :(

Wow u make me hungry

Quote:
Originally Posted by robin7
I like kimchi more than gado-gado!

I think Bulgoki is better

Oh I just took the lead from singhzico's post above.
Yeah lah, how come we are so OB hah? :D

[singhzico]

I kinda agree -- I remember the way Tan Yee Khan and Ng Boon Bee played. KKK-TBH are nowhere near their explosiveness. TYK & NBB used to smash a lot.
:cool::cool::cool:
U just open the pandora box
That was during my time BB was just amazing

[eaglehelang]

dont forget ah fook, ah wah also:p

They were already in the list from the original poster,:D. Oh yes, XD & MS : Ah Khim W, Ah Seang, Ah Tseng, Wong Sifu, uncles Roslin & Sairul.


:cool:

:cool::cool::cool::cool: Don't 4get Ah Choo
That's the ladies section : also Ah Hui, Ah Tty, Ah Lin, Ah Ying, Ah Mooi, Ah Yang, Ah Siah, Ah Haw


I rather be "dumped" into the "senior gentlemen" category! :D:D:D Auntie!

He he, ok, ok, "very experienced seniors", how about that?

[singhzico]

They have kimchi in space too;)
:):o:cool:

No kidding lah

[singhzico]

They have kimchi in space too;)
:):cool::p U so funny lah have u been watchin Phua chu Kang playing badminton with his contactor boots on?

[cooler]

:cool:

:cool::cool::cool::cool: Don't 4get Ah Choo
huh:confused: did u just caught a cold:confused::D:p

[Birdwood]

He he, any player above 30 is 'labelled' uncle. Plus, they are 6 to 10 years older than the rest of the Msia MD players.
Other than age, both have old knee injuries that bug them from time to time, LWW's one being more serious since he have had surgery for it.


Basically you or me is part of the Uncle category.........:D:D


Yup, me is auntie, you is uncle, then what we call fastdrop & Loh? Grand uncles? :D:D:D


I rather be "dumped" into the "senior gentlemen" category! :D:D:D Auntie!


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He he, ok, ok, "very experienced seniors", how about that?

I think there are some confusions here. Baddy players have been referred to as "Uncle" because the life span on professional tour is relatively short. When players are in their 30s, more often than not they have reached or soon will reach the end of road as SS title holders. The "Uncle" definition does not transpose over to the rest of us.

Eagle, I hope my suggestion makes you feel better and younger. The honor of BC Uncles should still go to our respectful "senior gentlemen" :)

[sonnymak]

On Tan Yee Khan and Ng Boon Bee.

I hope some one from that era can open a thread on their playing prowess.

I have written that Cheah Soon Kit was one of the players who first started with leaping smash and soft play from the back in the late 80s before it became the standard fare for MD in the 90s. I wanted to write about Tan and Ng but never saw them play plaease open new thread.

[X Ball]

:cool::cool::cool:
U just open the pandora box
That was during my time BB was just amazing


Wasn't he ? ! Even though he was short, he could jump and smash - sort of like Markis Kido. And Yee Khan was the enforcer. Todate, I am still waiting for some like them to come along in the Malaysian team.

[eaglehelang]

.... The "Uncle" definition does not transpose over to the rest of us.

Eagle, I hope my suggestion makes you feel better and younger. The honor of BC Uncles should still go to our respectful "senior gentlemen" :)

Hiyaaa, that was what I meant when Oldhand asked why we call CTF/LWW "uncles", they are called "veteran" in the circuit mah. The rest of it was just poking fun, started by Huang. We have full respect for our real life BCers of the "Uncle" age, he he.

[george@chongwei]

huh:confused: did u just caught a cold:confused::D:p
damn nice joke here..:D:D:p:p

[singhzico]

On Tan Yee Khan and Ng Boon Bee.

I hope some one from that era can open a thread on their playing prowess.

I have written that Cheah Soon Kit was one of the players who first started with leaping smash and soft play from the back in the late 80s before it became the standard fare for MD in the 90s. I wanted to write about Tan and Ng but never saw them play plaease open new thread.
:cool::):confused:

Are they still alive very slim chance of that:D:D:D

Do u have any knowledge of their profile?:cool::cool::cool:

[singhzico]

:D
quote=cooler;826075]huh:confused: did u just caught a cold:confused::D:p[/quote]
:D:D:crying::) Very very cold in Canada

[singhzico]

I was surprised to learn that kimchi has such excellent properties as being able to ward off cancer or the flu.

It appears that during the SARs crisis, while other Asian countries were suffering from SARs, South Korea was immuned.

And I was flabbergasted to learn that there are so many varieties of Kimchi and the vegetable-mix of ingredients used really astonishes the eye, with red chllies added in great abundance! They even have a kimchi museum in Korea! :cool:

I am now looking more forward to tasting this spicy and tasty dish. :)
:):):D:D:o
Have u been hiding under a rock?U should have try this a long time ago Try Gelang they might have some better then that maybe serangoon

[Loh]

:):):D:D:o
Have u been hiding under a rock?U should have try this a long time ago Try Gelang they might have some better then that maybe serangoon

Wah, you must have been residing in Singapore for quite some time to suggest Geylang and Serangoon. ;)

I like the local equivalent of kimchi but since the latter is hardly taken in the normal household I'm seldom exposed to it unless I specially go for Korean food at the food court. :)

[singhzico]

What's kimchi doing in this thread? :(

It's sort of related 2 bADMINTON sINCE kOREANS ESPECIALLY LDJ eats a lot of Kimchi if u know it:cool::p:):D;)

[singhzico]

:cool::cool::cool:
U just open the pandora box
That was during my time BB was just amazing
:D:D:D:D:D:D:cool::cool::cool:

Any sugestion 4 a Kimchi Forum?

[Loh]

It's sort of related 2 bADMINTON sINCE kOREANS ESPECIALLY LDJ eats a lot of Kimchi if u know it:cool::p:):D;)

...then what is satay related to?...:D:D:D