The awaiting MS match ended up with LCW produces many errors in his games. Thus, bring down the excitement & quality of the game... His tactic works well but If all his "shots" went a little bit inside the court...He can turn the result the other way round...He had lost to himself infact..

Let me kindly bring you back to the right direction here:

LCW lost to Lin Dan in Swiss open final...:eek::cool:

Have you guys learned how to say "LCW lost" without giving any excuses... or at least a new excuse for a change besides the usual:

"he made too many errors":mad:
"he is not himself":mad:
"he injured himself":mad:
"too much pressure from fans and coaches":mad:
"line-judges' bias calls":mad:
"he isn't boleh-ing":mad:
"LYB interference":mad:

Just admit that his opponents beat him fair and square for a change... learn from Taufik's fans... they just admit that Taufik lost fair and square each time.:cool:

and at the moment, the only one capable of beating Lin Dan is "Li YongBo", and nobody else.:p

We are not finding excuses...Everything happened, there must be a reason behind it.... As what i said before, is base on the on court performance. Who can handle this well. He is the winner.. This is the fact...

LCW does not handle the match well, that is the root cause.. Ask yourself.. if all his shots is inside the court.. What was the result??

Let me kindly bring you back to the right direction here:

LCW lost to Lin Dan in Swiss open final...:eek::cool:

Have you guys learned how to say "LCW lost" without giving any excuses... or at least a new excuse for a change besides the usual:

"he made too many errors":mad:
"he is not himself":mad:
"he injured himself":mad:
"too much pressure from fans and coaches":mad:
"line-judges' bias calls":mad:
"he isn't boleh-ing":mad:
"LYB interference":mad:

Just admit that his opponents beat him fair and square for a change... learn from Taufik's fans... they just admit that Taufik lost fair and square each time.:cool:

and at the moment, the only one capable of beating Lin Dan is "Li YongBo", and nobody else.:p

The awaiting MS match ended up with LCW produces many errors in his games. Thus, bring down the excitement & quality of the game... His tactic works well but If all his "shots" went a little bit inside the court...He can turn the result the other way round...He had lost to himself infact..


I got to admit LD is a bit classier on the day. LCW certainly did not play to expectation -- definitely not intimidating enough.

Oh well, LD has won one. The SS series is becoming more even. Bring on the next one or the Thomas Cup.:)

Let me kindly bring you back to the right direction here:

LCW lost to Lin Dan in Swiss open final...:eek::cool:

Have you guys learned how to say "LCW lost" without giving any excuses... or at least a new excuse for a change besides the usual:

"he made too many errors":mad:
"he is not himself":mad:
"he injured himself":mad:
"too much pressure from fans and coaches":mad:
"line-judges' bias calls":mad:
"he isn't boleh-ing":mad:
"LYB interference":mad:

Just admit that his opponents beat him fair and square for a change... learn from Taufik's fans... they just admit that Taufik lost fair and square each time.:cool:

and at the moment, the only one capable of beating Lin Dan is "Li YongBo", and nobody else.:p


You cannot be any better man -- every time LCW loses, you make the same insults. Boring.:rolleyes: Why can't you learn how to say LCW loses well for a change.:cool:

I wonder China team will send their full strenght to ABC this year or not..Hmm...I hope they will because i wish to watch Lin Dan play..

The awaiting MS match ended up with LCW produces many errors in his games. Thus, bring down the excitement & quality of the game... His tactic works well but If all his "shots" went a little bit inside the court...He can turn the result the other way round...He had lost to himself infact..
Actually, he lost to LD because last time I checked, there were two players on each side of the court.

hmn.. not quite sure what do u mean :confused::confused:
Actually, he lost to LD because last time I checked, there were two players on each side of the court.

LD has better badminton brain than LCW. LCW should hv smashed more during the 1st, when the drift is behind him. Why on earth Misbun didnt remind him to change tactics when all shots lifted went long? Whereas LD's attacking play in the 2nd set earn him the victory.
Disappointing performance by LCW. He should hv wrapped up the 2nd game, instead of giving away points to LD.

You cannot be any better man -- every time LCW loses, you make the same insults. Boring.:rolleyes: Why can't you learn how to say LCW loses well for a change.:cool:

Which part of my post insulted LCW?

The entire post is directed toward someone like yourself... "excuses factory".:rolleyes:

yup, well, he lost fair and square.
LD was the better player on the day, and the better player won so that's all there is to say.

LCW does not handle the match well, that is the root cause.. Ask yourself.. if all his shots is inside the court.. What was the result??

If LD made smashes at 50000Km/h, what would be the result ?

I am not a fan of any badminton players, but the true is : LCW lost to CJ in AE, and to LD in swiss SS. Maybe he made more errors than usual in these matches, but he made them. If we tell "if" each time someone looses, it leads to nothing. LCW just has to work more if he wants to win the OG.

If LD made smashes at 50000Km/h, what would be the result ?

I am not a fan of any badminton players, but the true is : LCW lost to CJ in AE, and to LD in swiss SS. Maybe he made more errors than usual in these matches, but he made them. If we tell "if" each time someone looses, it leads to nothing. LCW just has to work more if he wants to win the OG.
Exactly. Enough of these "if's and but's" which sprout out every time LCW loses!

Which part of my post insulted LCW?

The entire post is directed toward someone like yourself... "excuses factory".:rolleyes:

This is exactly what BF is NOT about. Please make your posts about the players, coaches or badminton in general....not personal insults or insults directed at groups of supporters.

Otherwise you will be banned.

Others need to refrain from retaliation as this will be removed and you risked yourself being banned.

Let me kindly bring you back to the right direction here:

LCW lost to Lin Dan in Swiss open final...:eek::cool:

Have you guys learned how to say "LCW lost" without giving any excuses... or at least a new excuse for a change besides the usual:

"he made too many errors":mad:
"he is not himself":mad:
"he injured himself":mad:
"too much pressure from fans and coaches":mad:
"line-judges' bias calls":mad:
"he isn't boleh-ing":mad:
"LYB interference":mad:

Just admit that his opponents beat him fair and square for a change... learn from Taufik's fans... they just admit that Taufik lost fair and square each time.:cool:

and at the moment, the only one capable of beating Lin Dan is "Li YongBo", and nobody else.:p

I agree with above bold statement. to me, LD won 2 SS so far this year (due to AE08).

This is exactly what BF is NOT about. Please make your posts about the players, coaches or badminton in general....not personal insults or insults directed at groups of supporters.

Otherwise you will be banned.

Others need to refrain from retaliation as this will be removed and you risked yourself being banned.


I am glad you are in control.:cool:

i think be it LCW or LD or whoever players, nowadays we are getting players going for shots closer and closer to the lines. LHI did it when he beat LD in korea open, LCW trying it when he plays LD today but lost, and many more. I think that players are getting faster, and bigger and have wider court coverage as compared to 10-15years ago. bring on the Hawk-Eye!! sooner or later, line judges will not be able to keep up with the calls

Rite...Lets back to the post origin.. The root cause is he makes too many mistake..

If LD made smashes at 50000Km/h, what would be the result ?

I am not a fan of any badminton players, but the true is : LCW lost to CJ in AE, and to LD in swiss SS. Maybe he made more errors than usual in these matches, but he made them. If we tell "if" each time someone looses, it leads to nothing. LCW just has to work more if he wants to win the OG.

i think be it LCW or LD or whoever players, nowadays we are getting players going for shots closer and closer to the lines. LHI did it when he beat LD in korea open, LCW trying it when he plays LD today but lost, and many more. I think that players are getting faster, and bigger and have wider court coverage as compared to 10-15years ago. bring on the Hawk-Eye!! sooner or later, line judges will not be able to keep up with the calls

15 years ago, did you ever see/watch Han Jian testing shuttlecocks?
he can serves/hits to that exact point. if you place a 12" diameter basket at that spot, he can place 90% inside the basket. the accuracy of placing....;)
back to topic,
LCW just not play at his form. at his form, we may have a better match to watch. however, congrats to LD for outstanding performance and win the final. fellow Malaysians, please do not give too much pressure.......:)

LD has better badminton brain than LCW. LCW should hv smashed more during the 1st, when the drift is behind him. Why on earth Misbun didnt remind him to change tactics when all shots lifted went long? Whereas LD's attacking play in the 2nd set earn him the victory.
Disappointing performance by LCW. He should hv wrapped up the 2nd game, instead of giving away points to LD.

Each coach has their own philosophy, Li Mao style is attack, attack, and attach while Musbun emphasizes more on deceptions and strokes.
I guess the main reason why Chong Wei feel so comfortable with Misbun style is because of the success it brought late last year during the stretch run in Europe.
As a Malaysian fan, we shouldn't be too critical about criticism by those who are on Lin Dan side, after all Chong Wei did fail so many times playing against him. Lin Dan is still the undisputed world #1 player that we need to respect even though he is from China.
Chong Wei and Misbun just have to review their strategies and make amendment. No reason to be too discourage as this is the first time these 2 players have met this year?
Chong Wei is an very unique player who possess the strength of both attacking and defending skill plus ability to vary the pace since he has been coached by 2 vastly different style see-fu(master), Li Mao and Misbun. Like the Chinese Kung-Fu, Ying and Yang so Chong Wei just needs to mix the Ying and Yang well enough then he will be "Tian Siar Wu Tee"(can't be beaten) :D
The question is, will that day come?

LCW natural style is suited to Strokes and deception. LM changed his styled, he was still a good player, but IMO where LM failed was not to embrace LCW's special side.

If Misbun can allow himself to let LCW attack in some circumstances, then LCW will be able to seriously challenge the MS category.

In AE2008 LCW looked confused. He had the thought and chances to attack, but thought better. In this way LCW is weak as he only follows what his coach tell him, he does not use his own mind. When people say LCW has not got a badminton brain this is not true, he just does not use it, he uses his coaches. In tight situations this is not the right thing to have LD changes his play to match the situation within a game.

Each coach has their own philosophy, Li Mao style is attack, attack, and attach while Musbun emphasizes more on deceptions and strokes.
I guess the main reason why Chong Wei feel so comfortable with Misbun style is because of the success it brought late last year during the stretch run in Europe.
As a Malaysian fan, we shouldn't be too critical about criticism by those who are on Lin Dan side, after all Chong Wei did fail so many times playing against him. Lin Dan is still the undisputed world #1 player that we need to respect even though he is from China.
Chong Wei and Misbun just have to review their strategies and make amendment. No reason to be too discourage as this is the first time these 2 players have met this year?
Chong Wei is an very unique player who possess the strength of both attacking and defending skill plus ability to vary the pace since he has been coached by 2 vastly different style see-fu(master), Li Mao and Misbun. Like the Chinese Kung-Fu, Ying and Yang so Chong Wei just needs to mix the Ying and Yang well enough then he will be "Tian Siar Wu Tee"(can't be beaten) :D
The question is, will that day come?

Exactly the point. LCW has the weapons and ability to interchange these attacking and defensive styles, but how come cant seemed to do it consistently? Misbun must be alert enough to remind him when a tactic is working against him in the match, it happened in AE and now in SO also. Tactical wise, i think LM is far better.
LD hv my respect for being the most consistent player right now, & his ability to play smart in the game is the key being successful.

LCW natural style is suited to Strokes and deception. LM changed his styled, he was still a good player, but IMO where LM failed was not to embrace LCW's special side.

If Misbun can allow himself to let LCW attack in some circumstances, then LCW will be able to seriously challenge the MS category.

In AE2008 LCW looked confused. He had the thought and chances to attack, but thought better. In this way LCW is weak as he only follows what his coach tell him, he does not use his own mind. When people say LCW has not got a badminton brain this is not true, he just does not use it, he uses his coaches. In tight situations this is not the right thing to have LD changes his play to match the situation within a game.

LM's style of attack is truly awesome... the things he's been able to do with Sun Jun, Lee Chong Wei and Li Hyun Il...

Hmm... I hate to sound offensive, but everytime LCW loses, a thread like this comes up... There are no excuses, making errors in a game is the player's fault. A better player is more consistent in his shots, thus he doesn't commit that much error... In this case, LD was better, no excuses...

Morten Frost used just one word to describe Lee Chong Wei's game - 'passive' ;)
Considering what's happening now, Frost couldn't have been more right.

Morten Frost used just one word to describe Lee Chong Wei's game - 'passive' ;)
Considering what's happening now, Frost couldn't have been more right.

He is getting better - at least he is not picking up shuttles for LD anymore.:D

The awaiting MS match ended up with LCW produces many errors in his games. Thus, bring down the excitement & quality of the game... His tactic works well but If all his "shots" went a little bit inside the court...He can turn the result the other way round...He had lost to himself infact..

why cant you jst admit that lin dan is in a better form than LCW?
no need excuses...

If I don't make any errors
If I can smash more powerful than LinDan or LCW,
if...
if...
I wouldn't be here to chat with you and you all will try to get my signiture
since,
if all this ifs are true
I am the number one.

Every time LD...LD,LD,LD..boring!!!=P

He is not finding excuses. He is trying to put himself into the position of LCW's coach and to analyze the exact reason of LCW's loss.

He has no objection to LD playing better today. But he wants to find out the reason why LD performed so much better than LCW today. Is it normal? Is it because LCW played worse than usual? Is it because LD played better than usual? etc.

Actually we see coaches say their players "lost to themselves" all the time. It's not simply an excuse. What they mean is that their players are mentally disturbed by their desire to win and consequently under-perform.

why cant you jst admit that lin dan is in a better form than LCW?
no need excuses...

You making no error: This is not a realistic assumption, since you know even in training you make some errors.

LCW making less errors than today: This is a realistic assumption, since we all have seen LCW's pervious matches, in almost all of them he indeed made less mistakes.

Big difference.

Please stop argue for the purpose of attacking other people. If you play badminton, I bet there are times you lose to your opponent badly because you under-perform. What's wrong admitting that if that's the truth? And what's wrong proposing this possibility and check whether it is indeed the truth?

If I don't make any errors
If I can smash more powerful than LinDan or LCW,
if...
if...
I wouldn't be here to chat with you and you all will try to get my signiture
since,
if all this ifs are true
I am the number one.

Let me kindly bring you back to the right direction here:

LCW lost to Lin Dan in Swiss open final...:eek::cool:

Have you guys learned how to say "LCW lost" without giving any excuses... or at least a new excuse for a change besides the usual:

"he made too many errors":mad:
"he is not himself":mad:
"he injured himself":mad:
"too much pressure from fans and coaches":mad:
"line-judges' bias calls":mad:
"he isn't boleh-ing":mad:
"LYB interference":mad:

Just admit that his opponents beat him fair and square for a change... learn from Taufik's fans... they just admit that Taufik lost fair and square each time.:cool:

and at the moment, the only one capable of beating Lin Dan is "Li YongBo", and nobody else.:p
LD is just a human.. any player can beat him :D
taufik will beat him in OG :rolleyes:... or maybe Ld will slip in early round like previous OG :D

If LD is 95 in the scale to 100 (no one is perfect), LCW is 90. So most of time LD will win. In rare occations, LD only performs to 90 and LCW performs to 95, LCW may win that day. But most of time, LD will win.

When you play a player that is below you, it seems everything is right. You can return opponent's shots easily. You can try all sorts of trick shots. But when you face a opponent that is above you. You seem have a lot of trouble. A lot of errors creeping in. You are lucky just able to return opponent's shots. I think we all have that experience.

LCW met a better player today. That's why he made so many mistakes and lost. If LCW meets lower ranking player, he will not make many errors even in his off days.

Kind of agree with this. LD 95, LCW 90. The problem is that LD is very mature now and are less prone to under-perform (meaning: LD will always perform >88) while LCW's mind is still a bit unstable and can vary from 90 to 60.

If LD is 95 in the scale to 100 (no one is perfect), LCW is 90. So most of time LD will win. In rare occations, LD only performs to 90 and LCW performs to 95, LCW may win that day. But most of time, LD will win.

When you play a player that is below you, it seems everything is right. You can return opponent's shots easily. You can try all sorts of trick shots. But when you face a opponent that is above you. You seem have a lot of trouble. A lot of errors creeping in. You are lucky just able to return opponent's shots. I think we all have that experience.

LCW met a better player today. That's why he made so many mistakes and lost. If LCW meets lower ranking player, he will not make many errors even in his off days.

LinDan is like Tiger or Roger. Nobody can touches them in any good days, and rarely few ppl caught him on his off days albeit LYB's "involvement". Having said so, LD is ONE LEVEL above the rest of the world, coz he is as dominant as Tiger or Roger. PERIOD. :rolleyes:

LinDan is like Tiger or Roger. Nobody can touches them in any good days, and rarely few ppl caught him on his off days albeit LYB's "involvement". Having said so, LD is ONE LEVEL above the rest of the world, coz he is as dominant as Tiger or Roger. PERIOD. :rolleyes:

yeah... he's the roger frederer of badminton... i just hope any player can beat him in OG.. :D

This is exactly what BF is NOT about. Please make your posts about the players, coaches or badminton in general....not personal insults or insults directed at groups of supporters.

Otherwise you will be banned.

Others need to refrain from retaliation as this will be removed and you risked yourself being banned.

I totally agree with your post here. This is the right direction and approach that all BCers should follow: there should be no attack and insult to people, including BCers, players, and coaches, based on their preference, alliance, nationality, race, gender, origin, etc. BCers doing so deserve to be banned.

Additional approaches might be helpful:

When criticizing players and coaches, please do it constructively and try to do it to your own players and coaches, instead of to the opponents to whom you don't even support to avoid the appearance of being biased, degrading or bashing, which will certainly bring out sharp defense from the other side.

For criticism in a general nature that has been aired frequently in the forum, BCers should look for solutions to fix the problems instead. There is little value added by repeating the same criticism in BC over and over.

yeah... he's the roger frederer of badminton... i just hope any player can beat him in OG.. :D

Dont dream. Taufik has less than 20% to beat LD and LCW has only 40% to match him. It will be all CHN affairs :rolleyes:

I totally agree with your post here. This is the right direction and approach that all BCers should follow: there should be no attack and insult to people, including BCers, players, and coaches, based on their preference, alliance, nationality, race, gender, origin, etc. BCers doing so deserve to be banned.

Additional approaches might be helpful:

When criticizing players and coaches, please do it constructively and try to do it to your own players and coaches, instead of to the opponents to whom you don't even support to avoid the appearance of being biased, degrading or bashing, which will certainly bring out sharp defense from the other side.

For criticism in a general nature that has been aired frequently in the forum, BCers should look for solutions to fix the problems instead. There is little value added by repeating the same criticism in BC over and over.

very well said. thank you Birdwood.

Dont dream. Taufik has less than 20% to beat LD and LCW has only 40% to match him. It will be all CHN affairs :rolleyes:

i think lindan will get a huge pressure... he knows he must win this OG ,he can't fail for second time. he may not be able to play in OG 2012... losing in OG 2008 may be a taint for his 'perfect' accomplishment/achievement as a badminton player :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I remember Morten Frost commented in AE during the game between KJ and LD that KJ has to risk and place every shot very close to the side line because he knows he won't stand a chance against LD if he don't play better than normal, thus he made many mistakes and lost. Could this be the same reason for LCW? That LD is the main factor that caused LCW for many mistakes???

In fact KJ didn't do well in that match. Morten also commented that KJ didn't seem to be confident.

To me, KJ seemed scared by LD before the match started. He assumed from the start that LD was too good to be beaten by usual shots. When one player is dominated by that kind of thinking, basically he's gonna lose. KJ made himself under double-pressure: the pressure from LD's shots and the pressure from the formidable LD in KJ's mind.

LCW may have the same problem. I haven't watched the match, but according to some ppl's description, it seems LCW was thinking too much from the start. He committed many mistakes even before LD pressured him to do so.

I remember Morten Frost commented in AE during the game between KJ and LD that KJ has to risk and place every shot very close to the side line because he knows he won't stand a chance against LD if he don't play better than normal, thus he made many mistakes and lost. Could this be the same reason for LCW? That LD is the main factor that caused LCW for many mistakes???

In fact KJ didn't do well in that match. Morten also commented that KJ didn't seem to be confident.

To me, KJ seemed scared by LD before the match started. He assumed from the start that LD was too good to be beaten by usual shots. When one player is dominated by that kind of thinking, basically he's gonna lose. KJ made himself under double-pressure: the pressure from LD's shots and the pressure from the formidable LD in KJ's mind.

LCW may have the same problem. I haven't watched the match, but according to some ppl's description, it seems LCW was thinking too much from the start. He committed many mistakes even before LD pressured him to do so.

Thus it is still LD who affected their confidence. I don't think they would commit the same mistakes say if they play against me. :p

Let me kindly bring you back to the right direction here:

LCW lost to Lin Dan in Swiss open final...:eek::cool:

Have you guys learned how to say "LCW lost" without giving any excuses... or at least a new excuse for a change besides the usual:

"he made too many errors":mad:
"he is not himself":mad:
"he injured himself":mad:
"too much pressure from fans and coaches":mad:
"line-judges' bias calls":mad:
"he isn't boleh-ing":mad:
"LYB interference":mad:

Just admit that his opponents beat him fair and square for a change... learn from Taufik's fans... they just admit that Taufik lost fair and square each time.:cool:

and at the moment, the only one capable of beating Lin Dan is "Li YongBo", and nobody else.:pOne more, line judges can beat LD too:D:D

Sure it is.

However, let me give you a counter-example. CJ vs. LCW in AE08. CJ looked a bit reluctant and didn't do well in most of the 1st game -- maybe due to their previous head to head. But then he thought, what the hell, I would just fight and do whatever I could. We all know that happened after that.

So the point is, LCW should let LD's shots, instead of his fame, to force him to commit errors. :cool:

Thus it is still LD who affected their confidence. I don't think they would commit the same mistakes say if they play against me. :p

Rite...Lets back to the post origin.. The root cause is he makes too many mistake..
i havent seen the video yet but i can say the root cause is pressure from LD forcing LCW to make mistakes. If LCW play cooler, LCW will not make any any mistakes.

One more, line judges can beat LD too:D:D

only happening outside of china :p :p

OK, I don't think it make sense.

You're saying only IF LCW shots were more into court. Well what IF it was inside of the court and LD hits it back, then what. You're making what IF statements that only favors one side of party.

I totally agree with Bannanakid, LCW lost. His fans should just except it. You don't see LD fans making these kind of thread when LD loses, because they know to just support him, not make excuses for him.

I think the thing we need to find out is whether this pressure comes from LD's shots or from LD's fame (or head to head with LCW). If it is the former, then LCW is pretty much doomed since LD is like one class above him; If it is the latter, then LCW can work on his mental strength and do better next time. The description from those ppl watching the match indicates that the latter is true, but of course we need to find the video and judge with our own eyes. :cool:

In fact, if LCW play cooler, and cooler is in super-form that day and returned some of LCW's great shots, I suspect LCW will indeed lose his cool and commit some mistakes. :D

i havent seen the video yet but i can say the root cause is pressure from LD forcing LCW to make mistakes. If LCW play cooler, LCW will not make any any mistakes.

LD fans do make similar arguments. For example LD is not in form in AG06 final or LD was just testing his new tactics in Sudirman 07; etc.

The thing is, due to LD's fabulous career in the past 4 years, many ppl tends to see the above arguments as real reasons instead of "excuses". I understand that ( in fact I myself support some of the above "excuses" ), but to treat similar arguments for LCW as purely "excuses" is definitely unfair.

As to "making a thread", this forum is dominated by people coming from MAS and IND, that's why when LCW or TH loses, such threads appear.

You don't see LD fans making these kind of thread when LD loses, because they know to just support him, not make excuses for him.

I think the thing we need to find out is whether this pressure comes from LD's shots or from LD's fame (or head to head with LCW). If it is the former, then LCW is pretty much doomed since LD is like one class above him; If it is the latter, then LCW can work on his mental strength and do better next time. The description from those ppl watching the match indicates that the latter is true, but of course we need to find the video and judge with our own eyes. :cool:

In fact, if LCW play cooler, and cooler is in super-form that day and returned some of LCW's great shots, I suspect LCW will indeed lose his cool and commit some mistakes. :Di will keep aiming for the tape and side lines, some shots will bound to hit the tape and roll over or land on the line:D:D I loved the NSS :):):)

Most of the time, player make mistake(s) b/c of the oppenent. If you go up and play against him, I bet 10/10 he won't make too much mistakes. :rolleyes:

Oh... I am more a LCW fan, but a loss is a loss...

LCW: So what's your secret?
LD: what? of beating you?
LCW: No lah... of throwing racket at Li Mao and walk away scotch free :o
LD: come to china some time... ;)

haha, what's with the gunslinger style stance for both of them?

LCW: So what's your secret?
LD: what? of beating you?
LCW: No lah... of throwing racket at Li Mao and walk away scotch free :o
LD: come to china some time... ;)
Funny picture and interesting conversation!

This remind me that LCW's biggest weakness is the leave of Li Mao?

Doctored image.....

Doctored image.....
loopy you funny one... :cool:
No match fixing here ...

check out yourself
http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/p/2008-03-16/22053536086.shtml

Sure it is.

However, let me give you a counter-example. CJ vs. LCW in AE08. CJ looked a bit reluctant and didn't do well in most of the 1st game -- maybe due to their previous head to head. But then he thought, what the hell, I would just fight and do whatever I could. We all know that happened after that.

So the point is, LCW should let LD's shots, instead of his fame, to force him to commit errors. :cool:

Funny to see a "LCW lost to himself"(as many Malaysian Fans called LCW lost himself in the game with CJ) example is use to counter/excuse another "LCW lost to himself" thread.

:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:haha, what's with the gunslinger style stance for both of them?
Tell me about it

Funny picture and interesting conversation!

This remind me that LCW's biggest weakness is the leave of Li Mao?

No coaches should be blamed for the failures of the players. They have trained them to their best of ability and it's up to the players to apply their techniques in court. Most of our players are inconsistent. They can lose even to the lower ranking players cudring their off days.

LCW: So what's your secret?
LD: what? of beating you?
LCW: No lah... of throwing racket at Li Mao and walk away scotch free :o
LD: come to china some time... ;)
LOL, good one. Let me try one caption of mine.
hmmm, let see.....*scratch head*

LCW: So what's your secret?
LD: Oh? you like the smell?
LCW: No lah, I mean I'm soaking wet and you look so dry...
LD: Ahh, Secret is my secret. I borrowed it from XXF. They say it's strong enough for the guys. :D

In fact KJ didn't do well in that match. Morten also commented that KJ didn't seem to be confident.

To me, KJ seemed scared by LD before the match started. He assumed from the start that LD was too good to be beaten by usual shots. When one player is dominated by that kind of thinking, basically he's gonna lose. KJ made himself under double-pressure: the pressure from LD's shots and the pressure from the formidable LD in KJ's mind.

LCW may have the same problem. I haven't watched the match, but according to some ppl's description, it seems LCW was thinking too much from the start. He committed many mistakes even before LD pressured him to do so.

Dont think LCW is scared while facing LD, just that his brains cant seem to work properly in crucial situations. Wrong strategy in the 1st game, although nice try in the 2nd, but still stumble in crucial situations.

I alway think that LCW is not up to LD level yet. But many of us like or want to belief otherwise. This gives pressure to LCW and disappointment for all fans.
LCW, Chen Jin, Bao, Taufik are one level or half or slightly lower than LD currently.

I totally agree with your post here. This is the right direction and approach that all BCers should follow: there should be no attack and insult to people, including BCers, players, and coaches, based on their preference, alliance, nationality, race, gender, origin, etc. BCers doing so deserve to be banned.

Additional approaches might be helpful:

When criticizing players and coaches, please do it constructively and try to do it to your own players and coaches, instead of to the opponents to whom you don't even support to avoid the appearance of being biased, degrading or bashing, which will certainly bring out sharp defense from the other side.

For criticism in a general nature that has been aired frequently in the forum, BCers should look for solutions to fix the problems instead. There is little value added by repeating the same criticism in BC over and over.

Yes, I like to see action from the administration if someone does not follow this rule since Kwun thinks it is well said. Often, I have to defend our own players and coaches from BC'ers who do it out of bias to spite other nationalities - why do I have to do that if the administration is not taking action. And retaliation becomes inevitable.

Can you explain a bit what strategy did LCW use in the 1st set and why is it wrong? Thanks!

Dont think LCW is scared while facing LD, just that his brains cant seem to work properly in crucial situations. Wrong strategy in the 1st game, although nice try in the 2nd, but still stumble in crucial situations.

LCW: So what's your secret?
LD: what? of beating you?
LCW: No lah... of throwing racket at Li Mao and walk away scotch free :o
LD: come to china some time... ;)

OMG their shirts are soooo cool ahaha, makes me wonder about the possibilities of the new yonex line lol...but i think LCW was asking more about why LD's shots were more in than his ;)

LCW: IF only i hit inside more! IF only i was thinking better! IF only i was you! But...
LD: But What?
LCW: Chicken Butt :D
LD: Why?
LCW: Chicken Thigh :p

but seriously, i think LD's training regiment is showing great results, LCW must learn to cope with his judgements and start to train mentally...at this level, no professional should have mental lapses such as these, BUT, we're all human, so there's no real reason we should delve deeper into that...i just think LCW should train even harder and move on...every match with LD is more experience that he can use to beat him with ;)

Funny picture and interesting conversation!

This remind me that LCW's biggest weakness is the leave of Li Mao?

On this point, LCW actually improved since he went back to be under Misbun. He ended his title drought under Misbun & analyists (including ex pro baddy players) said Misbun cool & calm personality suited LCW better .
It doesnt discount LM's good points, LCW got to learn China's ways of training under LM.

Let me make my point clearer.

LCW was indeed "not himself" when playing CJ (you can listen to Morten Frost's commentation, he said LCW is just like 60% compared to when he played TH; Also Jamesd20 has a great analysis of LCW's problem). But my point is, if CJ did not forget about his bad head to head and did not choose to simply fight without thinking too much about winning, he would never be able to take advantage of this fact.

In KJ's case, because KJ lacked confidence from the very start, he was even unable to force LD to show his true form. Same goes with Sairul. I think he had the chance to force LD to hit the "turbo" button, but he collapsed too early and simply gave the game to LD.

Funny to see a "LCW lost to himself"(as many Malaysian Fans called LCW lost himself in the game with CJ) example is use to counter/excuse another "LCW lost to himself" thread.

I totally agree with Bannanakid, LCW lost. His fans should just except it. You don't see LD fans making these kind of thread when LD loses, because they know to just support him, not make excuses for him.

As ye333 already posted on the LD thingy. Xymaerts, the thread starter, is not making excuses or defending LCW, Xymaerts is disappointed that LCW played badly.

As for making excuses, in the Msian scene even if the reason given is "the opponent played better today" it would be seen as an excuse i.e. mentally weak, yada, yada, yada.
Basically, any tame losses to LD is not acceptable, any loss to lower ranked players is also not acceptable("How can you lose to lower ranked players?"). Since LCW is WR#2, that's from No 3 downwards. And these kind of stuff is featured in the major newspapers.

I first read this thread yesterday night, but was too tired to respond to it.

I think bananakid is being childish and his usual stubborn self.

What is wrong with finding out what went wrong? Us, as badminton fans will naturally want to know why LCW fell tamely to LD. Since many of us didn't watch the game, we want to know why. This is not giving excuse to him. This is what we didn't expect, so we want to know whether LD was superb, LCW was injured, LCW was below his form etc etc. Whats wrong with that?

Let me make my point clearer.

LCW was indeed "not himself" when playing CJ (you can listen to Morten Frost's commentation, he said LCW is just like 60% compared to when he played TH; Also Jamesd20 has a great analysis of LCW's problem). But my point is, if CJ did not forget about his bad head to head and did not choose to simply fight without thinking too much about winning, he would never be able to take advantage of this fact.

In KJ's case, because KJ lacked confidence from the very start, he was even unable to force LD to show his true form. Same goes with Sairul. I think he had the chance to force LD to hit the "turbo" button, but he collapsed too early and simply gave the game to LD.
maybe it's true, maybe it's not. The key question is, why do these top pros like lcw and kj are still nagged by 'lack of confidence' syndrome? I think this 'lack of confidence' comment or excuse is just a catch all phrase. These are not kiddies, they are seasoned pros. To bring up they 'lack of confidence' reason now is either naive or it's a dim outlook for them. Maybe they will reach self confidence when... LD retires.

Dear Malaysians,

Our LCW lost, period. He was clearly beaten by a more superior LD last night.
No excuses please.

Dear Malaysians,

Our LCW lost, period. He was clearly beaten by a more superior LD last night.
No excuses please.

Sometimes, it is good to fail after a few successes. Such failure will result self review and enlightenment, thereby progressing further...

Thanks.

Because LD is a better player, as simple as that.

Same thing happened to LD. When I watch 05-06 LD vs. TH matches, in particular those after 05 WC (even after LD won WC06), I sense that LD was not fully confident. LD became fully confident only after WC07.

Li Lingwei once said (in the context that Susi was dominating WS), maybe she should continue play for a few more years (to prevent this situation). Do you think it's purely an excuse? I don't think so. There is some truth in it. Li Lingwei's retirement leaves a vacuum in world WS and Susi rose up to fill it, should Li Lingwei continue to play for a few years, Susi may not have enough time to build full confidence before a new generation of Chinese WS arrived.

For LCW, unfortunately even if LD get married after OG08, it's not likely that he will (like TH) stop training. So indeed it's not clear how LCW can overcome this confidence problem. :cool:

maybe it's true, maybe it's not. The key question is, why do these top pros like lcw and kj are still nagged by 'lack of confidence' syndrome? I think this 'lack of confidence' comment or excuse is just a catch all phrase. These are not kiddies, they are seasoned pros. To bring up they 'lack of confidence' reason now is either naive or it's a dim outlook for them. Maybe they will reach self confidence when... LD retires.

Sometimes, it is good to fail after a few successes. Such failure will result self review and enlightenment, thereby progressing further...

Thanks.
I think a postmortem of any match is fine, as long as it doesn't sound too ridiculous

Again we are not finding excuses..In fact each wining or losing there must be a reason behind! LCW is now on par with LD... The wining factor is base on the on court performance(tactic,less error,pressure handling etc..)..I could not agree that LD is still better then LCW.. But if you say LD play better in that match.. I would agree..

Or we twist the question to what is the REASON/wining factor for LD in this match? The answer will be from the so call "excuses" from LCW...

why cant you jst admit that lin dan is in a better form than LCW?
no need excuses...

Again we are not finding excuses..In fact each wining or losing there must be a reason behind! LCW is now on par with LD... The wining factor is base on the on court performance(tactic,less error,pressure handling etc..)..I could not agree that LD is still better then LCW.. But if you say LD play better in that match.. I would agree..

Or we twist the question to what is the REASON/wining factor for LD in this match? The answer will be from the so call "excuses" from LCW...

I don't think I agree with you that LCW is on par with LD.
In my opinion:
- Physically LD is fitter (may be not by much).
- His attack is still more superior for setting him up to win point.
- His placement is more accurate/ less unforced errors.
- Mentally stronger/more confident.

Again we are not finding excuses..In fact each wining or losing there must be a reason behind! LCW is now on par with LD... The wining factor is base on the on court performance(tactic,less error,pressure handling etc..)..I could not agree that LD is still better then LCW.. But if you say LD play better in that match.. I would agree..

Or we twist the question to what is the REASON/wining factor for LD in this match? The answer will be from the so call "excuses" from LCW...

it seems like ur trying to convince URSELF that LCW is on par with LD...i like them both...but imo LD is still a notch ahead of LCW...head to head.. and a country mile when it comes to winning titles :o

i like chong wei..........but i cant denied that Lin Dan is much stronger than chong wei..........

That is what u though.. i can only agree on your last point...As i had said many many times, who can handle this well. He is the champ!

I don't think I agree with you that LCW is on par with LD.
In my opinion:
- Physically LD is fitter (may be not by much).
- His attack is still more superior for setting him up to win point.
- His placement is more accurate/ less unforced errors.
- Mentally stronger/more confident.

Is now on Par means... the recent(07,08) head to head count..correct me if i was wrong, the head to head count is tie base on (07,08). This wining match is the tie breaker for LD

it seems like ur trying to convince URSELF that LCW is on par with LD...i like them both...but imo LD is still a notch ahead of LCW...head to head.. and a country mile when it comes to winning titles :o

Yes, I like to see action from the administration if someone does not follow this rule since Kwun thinks it is well said. Often, I have to defend our own players and coaches from BC'ers who do it out of bias to spite other nationalities - why do I have to do that if the administration is not taking action. And retaliation becomes inevitable.

Good point. But I would like the adminsitration to apply the same standard to ALL MEMBERS and all background across this forum. Where I often have to defend not my own, but players and coaches from BC'er who do it out of bias to spite to other nationalities.

Is now on Par means... the recent(07,08) head to head count..correct me if i was wrong, the head to head count is tie base on (07,08). This wining match is the tie breaker for LD

there u go..LD won the tie breaker..u answered it urself :p

it seems like ur trying to convince URSELF that LCW is on par with LD...i like them both...but imo LD is still a notch ahead of LCW...head to head.. and a country mile when it comes to winning titles :o
Remember this: LD is not going to have 2 CHN MS lined up for him in OG08, like here. Maybe not even 1 CHN MS. He's gonna be on his own.
Of course LCW is on par with LD. LD has a lot of respect for LCW . Look how LD invites LCW to share the same champion podium with him.I don't think LD offers that to any other player.

That is what u though.. i can only agree on your last point...As i had said many many times, who can handle this well. He is the champ!

When LCW under Misbun, he did improve his deception, Taufik kind of deception (delay shot) which Taufik use it to slow down LD attacks which was very effective. This work well to LD for a while but then LD has also learned to be more patient in his attack by do extra more drop shot if necessary. LCW has not improved to come up with new strategy while LD does.
LCW sometime IMO overdoing the kind of deception delay shot which cause him unforced errors or become not deceptive anymore.
One shot that he can learn from Taufik is returning LD smash to the middle of the net when you can. This work well to many left handed player.

Remember this: LD is not going to have 2 CHN MS lined up for him in OG08, like here. Maybe not even 1 CHN MS. He's gonna be on his own.
Of course LCW is on par with LD. LD has a lot of respect for LCW . Look how LD invites LCW to share the same champion podium with him.I don't think LD offers that to any other player.

having respect n being on par are 2 different issues:rolleyes:

Lcw n Ld is indeed being on the same par.
like how u will compare gunners n red devils.
Won more maybe.
But the prestigue means more than just winning.

I am sure Misbun and Lee Chong Wei know what was needed in order to challenge Lin Dan, the execution part was the one that did not come thru. Is easy for us to pretend we are the expert and make comment. Everyone seems like impose their will to one another and after a while the argument go to the red alert and the thread close ... sounds familiar? :D

U also got your answer too...They are on par..No such thing as LD is too good for LCW. Who handle the on court performance well.. He is the the winner..

there u go..LD won the tie breaker..u answered it urself :p

Each player have their own skill & characteristic.. But no way to deny that LCW level of play is on par with LD now... No such thing as LD is too strong/good for him..

When LCW under Misbun, he did improve his deception, Taufik kind of deception (delay shot) which Taufik use it to slow down LD attacks which was very effective. This work well to LD for a while but then LD has also learned to be more patient in his attack by do extra more drop shot if necessary. LCW has not improved to come up with new strategy while LD does.
LCW sometime IMO overdoing the kind of deception delay shot which cause him unforced errors or become not deceptive anymore.
One shot that he can learn from Taufik is returning LD smash to the middle of the net when you can. This work well to many left handed player.

I take han's advice.
ignore aje la.Bring us nowhere.

YES i agreed with u.. Even Misbun had said this before...

Remember this: LD is not going to have 2 CHN MS lined up for him in OG08, like here. Maybe not even 1 CHN MS. He's gonna be on his own.
Of course LCW is on par with LD. LD has a lot of respect for LCW . Look how LD invites LCW to share the same champion podium with him.I don't think LD offers that to any other player.

I am sure Misbun and Lee Chong Wei know what was needed in order to challenge Lin Dan, the execution part was the one that did not come thru. Is easy for us to pretend we are the expert and make comment. Everyone seems like impose their will to one another and after a while the argument go to the red alert and the thread close ... sounds familiar? :D

Guess, everyone must have their opinion. Pretend to be expert and make comment is important and make this forum interesting otherwise will have no forum or boring forum. One must not do is to degrade the discussion where fanaticism become irrational and go to the red alert. Every so often that discussion like this will have no end, that is fine. When it reaches dead end, thread will be stop.

Yes and this is what quoted by Misbun in thestar.com.my

“Lin Dan broke Chong Wei's rhythm in the first game. He sent the shuttle above Chong Wei at the back. This made it difficult for Chong Wei to return with accurate shots,” said Misbun in a telephone interview from Base.
“Chong Wei did well to come out of it in the second but he just did not have the finishing.
“Overall, I think, Chong Wei did well. He did not lose out on skill but on not having the right strategy to get back at Lin Dan. I am sure that the next time they meet, Chong Wei would have learnt well on how to handle a similar situation.”



I am sure Misbun and Lee Chong Wei know what was needed in order to challenge Lin Dan, the execution part was the one that did not come thru. Is easy for us to pretend we are the expert and make comment. Everyone seems like impose their will to one another and after a while the argument go to the red alert and the thread close ... sounds familiar? :D

Yes and this is what quoted by Misbun in thestar.com.my

“Overall, I think, Chong Wei did well. He did not lose out on skill but on not having the right strategy to get back at Lin Dan. I am sure that the next time they meet, Chong Wei would have learnt well on how to handle a similar situation.”

I don't agree with Misbun about LCW did not lose out on skill. I afraid if only strategy that LCW going to impose it for next meeting, I like to know what strategy is he going to use differently. Is it enough ?

Totally agree. I think people learn by "pretending to be expert and make comment", then thinking over others' replies. As the Chinese saying goes: "Throw a brick, and get a jade in return" (Please forgive my lousy English translation.)

Guess, everyone must have their opinion. Pretend to be expert and make comment is important and make this forum interesting otherwise will have no forum or boring forum. One must not do is to degrade the discussion where fanaticism become irrational and go to the red alert. Every so often that discussion like this will have no end, that is fine. When it reaches dead end, thread will be stop.

I think we can only know after their next clash. Maybe LCW will do well, maybe it will turn out that Misbun is wrong.

I don't agree with Misbun about LCW did not lose out on skill. I afraid if only strategy that LCW going to impose it for next meeting, I like to know what strategy is he going to use differently. Is it enough ?

Let's be a bit more specific and meaningful.
If everyone of you is given opportunity to give advice to Misbun on how LCW can win next meeting, what would be your advice to him.

Let's be a bit more specific and meaningful.
If everyone of you is given opportunity to give advice to Misbun on how LCW can win next meeting, what would be your advice to him.

Misbun, please hire back Li Mao. You're doing a lousy job stressing more on defense in light of the 21-pt system, and supressing Lee Chong Wei's natural game play.

-dave

NOT AGREE with Misbun comment?? hmn... Or why not u just share with us your though.. Don't give me a this kind of answer like LD is too good/strong for LCW..

I don't agree with Misbun about LCW did not lose out on skill. I afraid if only strategy that LCW going to impose it for next meeting, I like to know what strategy is he going to use differently. Is it enough ?

That is no need to bring back Li Mao..Both the coaches had make LCW a better player.. LCW is good on his attacking(cross court smash with deep deception)+ good defense..

Misbun, please hire back Li Mao. You're doing a lousy job stressing more on defense in light of the 21-pt system, and supressing Lee Chong Wei's natural game play.

-dave

LD is one class higher than other players.
LCW, TH, CJ, BCL are more likely in same level.

NOT AGREE with Misbun comment?? hmn... Or why not u just share with us your though.. Don't give me a this kind of answer like LD is too good/strong for LCW..

I never said that LD is too good/strong for LCW.. no one is too good/strong to anyone. But no on the same par with LCW.
LCW must improve in some area where LD above him as I say in earlier comment.

There is also some area that LD need to improve as those area is LCW above him.. So plus, minus.. the are on par..Again and again, it is the on court performance decide the winner..

I never said that LD is too good/strong for LCW.. no one is too good/strong to anyone. But no on the same par with LCW.
LCW must improve in some area where LD above him as I say in earlier comment.

I agree with above bold statement. to me, LD won 2 SS so far this year (due to AE08).

actually 3, with Korea SS.

It seems to me every time LCW wins, all the LCW's fans are vocal. But when LD wins, all his fans will claim this and that.

At the end of the day, it is just that - a lot of posturing on both sides. So don't be so assertive - it amounts to nothing all said and done.

Anyway, I think LCW will thrash LD the next time round.:D:)

Like that also can...hahahaha...
actually 3, with Korea SS.

One more, line judges can beat LD too:D:D

only happening outside of china :p :p

LD also complaint about the line judge in CO 07, when PSH beat him.

LCW lost, fair and square.
LD played a better game this time. Other then LD’s teammates, LCW is the closest one who can match LD’s performance at this moment.

LD is still the king, and I hope he get the gold in OG08.

I think the thing we need to find out is whether this pressure comes from LD's shots or from LD's fame (or head to head with LCW). If it is the former, then LCW is pretty much doomed since LD is like one class above him; If it is the latter, then LCW can work on his mental strength and do better next time. The description from those ppl watching the match indicates that the latter is true, but of course we need to find the video and judge with our own eyes. :cool:

In fact, if LCW play cooler, and cooler is in super-form that day and returned some of LCW's great shots, I suspect LCW will indeed lose his cool and commit some mistakes. :D

someone in here already posted that, Misbun (or Roslin, not so sure), gives an extra 10 points to 2 amateur players, before the game started, using OSS. in the end, Misbun won 15-10 in a Single vs Double match.

Remember this: LD is not going to have 2 CHN MS lined up for him in OG08, like here. Maybe not even 1 CHN MS. He's gonna be on his own.
Of course LCW is on par with LD. LD has a lot of respect for LCW . Look how LD invites LCW to share the same champion podium with him.I don't think LD offers that to any other player.


if BCL was drawn in the same path with CJ, so LD will not meet his teammates until the final.
if they meet in final, it means All - Chinese final.
even if LYB ask CJ / BCL to gave up, I dare to say, they won't to follow the order, bcoz CHN had already win the gold. no reason for match - fixing.

whatever u want to say, but I'm feel very happy right now.
eventhough LD has better head to head against LCW,
but this is the first time LD beat LCW in straight sets.:D

whatever u want to say, but I'm feel very happy right now.
eventhough LD has better head to head against LCW,
but this is the first time LD beat LCW in straight sets.:D

happy cooking.... winston...:D :D

That is no need to bring back Li Mao..Both the coaches had make LCW a better player.. LCW is good on his attacking(cross court smash with deep deception)+ good defense..

he has a good defense. solid defence.

If LCW can defend himself against LD better than how we had defended him in the forum, he would have won....:D

Thanks.

If LCW can defend himself against LD better than how we had defended him in the forum, he would have won....:D

Thanks.

LD's smash was too strong & accurate for LCW.
that's why LCW's solid defense can be "broken" by LD:D

LD's smash was too strong & accurate for LCW.
that's why LCW's solid defense can be "broken" by LD:D

What if someone generates very very powerful smashes, and always aiming at his opponents's head, eyes, mouth, nose, cheek... and so on, is it legal (basing on badminton rules)?

This is a serious question. If anyone were to think that it is out of topic, well... I will rephrarse the question so that it is within the subject raised...

What if LD generates very very powerful smashes, and always aiming at LCW's head, eyes, mouth, nose, cheek... and so on, is it legal (basing on badminton rules)?

Thanks again.

What if someone generates very very powerful smashes, and always aiming at his opponents's head, eyes, mouth, nose, cheek... and so on, is it legal (basing on badminton rules)?

This is a serious question. If anyone were to think that it is out of topic, well... I will rephrarse the question so that it is within the subject raised...

What if LD generates very very powerful smashes, and always aiming at LCW's head, eyes, mouth, nose, cheek... and so on, is it legal (basing on badminton rules)?

Thanks again.

sounds irrelevant. unless you can explain why it is relevant to the topic, your post and subsequent responses will be deleted.

eventhough LD has better head to head against LCW, but this is the first time LD beat LCW in straight sets.:D

is this true, i need to dig up some past results?
i'm sure he beat LCW in straight sets before ...

LCW: So what's your secret?
LD: what? of beating you?
LCW: No lah... of throwing racket at Li Mao and walk away scotch free :o
LD: come to china some time... ;)

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

that picture is cute. their shirts' colours kinda match. :)

Just to remind you that LCW beat LD in straight sets too on Japan Open 2007 Semi-final..:D:D:p
Talk about FIRST.. is LCW FIST...

whatever u want to say, but I'm feel very happy right now.
eventhough LD has better head to head against LCW,
but this is the first time LD beat LCW in straight sets.:D

Just to remind you that LCW beat LD in straight sets too on Japan Open 2007 Semi-final..:D:D:p
Talk about FIRST.. is LCW FIST...

are sure about this?
talk about FIRST...is LD first.
LD beat LCW in 2005 HongKong Open Semi-final.:D:D:p

are sure about this?
talk about FIRST...is LD first.
LD beat LCW in 2005 HongKong Open Semi-final.:D:D:p

in straight set. :D

Thanks for reminding...At that time year 2005 LCW is still not on par with LD yet.. The head to head count should start from 2007 on ward...As this is the time that LD started to pay respect to LCW

in straight set. :D

actually 3, with Korea SS.
Actually 4, if LD had turned up for MO, the 1st SS!!!

IC...ic...how good IF u are a millionaire...:D:D

Actually 4, if LD had turned up for MO, the 1st SS!!!

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

that picture is cute. their shirts' colours kinda match. :)
And they both wear INA colours, as a show of respect to TH?

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

that picture is cute. their shirts' colours kinda match. :)
wanna?? fight?? come on.... hahaha :D

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

that picture is cute. their shirts' colours kinda match. :)

Too bad their titles dont match.

Yes and this is what quoted by Misbun in thestar.com.my

“Lin Dan broke Chong Wei's rhythm in the first game. He sent the shuttle above Chong Wei at the back. This made it difficult for Chong Wei to return with accurate shots,” said Misbun in a telephone interview from Base.
“Chong Wei did well to come out of it in the second but he just did not have the finishing.
“Overall, I think, Chong Wei did well. He did not lose out on skill but on not having the right strategy to get back at Lin Dan. I am sure that the next time they meet, Chong Wei would have learnt well on how to handle a similar situation.”
I agree with Misbun. LCW panicked when LD rushed to a 10-1 lead in the 1st game and lost that game tamely. LCW tried to come back in the 2nd game as he held a 10-6 lead before LD scored 6 straight points to regain the
lead at 12-10. That obviously frustrated LCW but he somehow managed to gain a 17-16 before LD take over at 19-17. LD only allowed LCW to score another point before sealing the match.

After losing the 1st game, LCW still had a chance in the 2nd game but just couldn't finish it. LCW should have stayed calm and should have learned from LD (9-21 in HK07) and LHI (4-21 in KO08) on how they recovered from a 1st-game loss to eventually win the match.

Apparently, LCW still needs to improve mentally to stand a chance in the Olympic.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

LCW: you think you're the most handsome... huh...
LD: yes.. i'am, ask the boys behind us who's the most handsome between us

boys:... Taufik is the most handsome !!!!!!!!!
:) :) :)

I agree with Misbun. LCW panicked when LD rushed to a 10-1 lead in the 1st game and lost that game tamely. LCW tried to come back in the 2nd game as he held a 10-6 lead before LD scored 6 straight points to regain the
lead at 12-10. That obviously frustrated LCW but he somehow managed to gain a 17-16 before LD take over at 19-17. LD only allowed LCW to score another point before sealing the match.

After losing the 1st game, LCW still had a chance in the 2nd game but just couldn't finish it. LCW should have stayed calm and should have learned from LD (9-21 in HK07) and LHI (4-21 in KO08) on how they recovered from a 1st-game loss to eventually win the match.

Apparently, LCW still needs to improve mentally to stand a chance in the Olympic.
I disagree with you.
LCW needs to improve tactically to win in OG08.He has so many weapons to put together effectively, it's not easy to get it right all the time. But when he does, he leaves his opponents behind.(LD in JO07 and SC07;BCL in IO07 and FO07; CJ in JO07 and FO07)

LCW was dissapointed by his lost to Lindan. He did admit that Lindan played better than him yesterday. But do agree that he lost tactically and also did alot of errors which is unlike him.

I disagree with you.
LCW needs to improve tactically to win in OG08.He has so many weapons to put together effectively, it's not easy to get it right all the time. But when he does, he leaves his opponents behind.(LD in JO07 and SC07;BCL in IO07 and FO07; CJ in JO07 and FO07)
I'm not sure whether u watched the match. But I'm trying to say is that LCW needs to improve his ability to change his game plan on court besides mentaly prepared for worst scenario. From my observation, obviously he didn't mentally prepare to lose the 1st game so badly, and after losing the 1st game, he lost his confidence slightly and his gameplan didn't work well on LD who played much better.

Dont think LCW is scared while facing LD, just that his brains cant seem to work properly in crucial situations. Wrong strategy in the 1st game, although nice try in the 2nd, but still stumble in crucial situations.

The strong drift was behind him in the 1st set, he should hv attacked more instead of lifting the shuttle, it was long for a dozen of times and giving away cheap points..... I wonder whats going on with his mind... :mad:
If he is able to keep the points in play, it might be a much closer match.
LD was smarter in that sense, he attacked more in the 2nd set when the drift was behind him.

The strong drift was behind him in the 1st set, he should hv attacked more instead of lifting the shuttle, it was long for a dozen of times and giving away cheap points..... I wonder whats going on with his mind... :mad:
If he is able to keep the points in play, it might be a much closer match.
LD was smarter in that sense, he attacked more in the 2nd set when the drift was behind him.

Drift or no drift, LD is a much better player shuttler than LCW. And he showed that last night by totally outplaying LCW.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

LCW: you think you're the most handsome... huh...
LD: yes.. i'am, ask the boys behind us who's the most handsome between us

boys:... Taufik is the most handsome !!!!!!!!!
:) :) :)

yeah,at least some of my famale teammates ranks him the most handsome player. but imo he seems to lack manliness.

Taufik used to be the favorite player in our club when we were expecting wonderful head to head in confrtation with Lindan. but now it is LCW. we need to give special thanks to the three above,for bringing us the coolest era of badminton.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

"That's exactly the problem, LD. I lose, they say I'm not good enough. I win, they think I'm not good enough either. There's no pleasing anybody, is there?"

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

that picture is cute. their shirts' colours kinda match. :)
..too bad their hair colors didn't match their shirt's colors...;)

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

LCW: i thought we all agreed to wear red?
LD: and what do you call these 2 stripes here, blue?

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

"Bad line judging in Korea? Yeah, I know how that felt. You'll get over it".

Drift or no drift, LD is a much better player shuttler than LCW. And he showed that last night by totally outplaying LCW.

I wont say totally. The 2nd set was evenly matched, but LCW seriously hv to work on his tactics if he wants to beat the chinese players. CJ and LD both used the correct strategies and tactics to beat LCW; he must learn to think fast and be ready to make changes when necessary.

I wont say totally. The 2nd set was evenly matched, but LCW seriously hv to work on his tactics if he wants to beat the chinese players. CJ and LD both used the correct strategies and tactics to beat LCW; he must learn to think fast and be ready to make changes when necessary.
i'm just making a general comment, not criticizing lcw.

some of u guys keep changing your tunes. Misbun/lcw is changing strategies. I dont believe they r that dumb. LCW is 2nd best IMO, so lcw/misbun only need to focus on LD. When playing a fast player like LD, we see tons of advices given here in BF on strategy threads. You want to slow down the fast paced opponent with deep clears and more rallying. Funny how lcw is doing that but now u MAL fans say we must get li mao back so steer lcw back to a attacking player. ROFL I dont have to invent anything, i just recall what was said before:p

My advice? BAM hire both li mao and misbun. Depending on who lcw faces or which set is being played, misbun and li mao can switch role on the fly at the coaches bench LOL Poor LYB, 2 coaches against one LOL

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

that picture is cute. their shirts' colours kinda match. :)

LCW: can you let me win next time?
LD: let me ask LYB first...
Boys: no match fixing!!!
:D

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

"Bad line judging in Korea? Yeah, I know how that felt. You'll get over it".

LD: I am and I have.

Yes and this is what quoted by Misbun in thestar.com.my

“Lin Dan broke Chong Wei's rhythm in the first game. He sent the shuttle above Chong Wei at the back. This made it difficult for Chong Wei to return with accurate shots,” said Misbun in a telephone interview from Base.
“Chong Wei did well to come out of it in the second but he just did not have the finishing.
“Overall, I think, Chong Wei did well. He did not lose out on skill but on not having the right strategy to get back at Lin Dan. I am sure that the next time they meet, Chong Wei would have learnt well on how to handle a similar situation.”

For those who only do selective reading and people who claim LD didn't put good pressure on LCW, please read the statement above.

I think most ppl are trying to understand the result and they appreciate Misbun's explanation. So please don't be so offensive.

For those who only do selective reading and people who claim LD didn't put good pressure on LCW, please read the statement above.

I think most ppl are trying to understand the result and they appreciate Misbun's explanation. So please don't be so offensive.

I am just trying to point out the part where people missed in understanding the result.

That LCW lost to himself, but more importantly, LD is the main contributed factor.

I think if u look at it as an overall rating that is correct. The main difference iis that LD is mentally tough, decisive and is mentally flexible enough to try different tactics to win the point. This ability compensates for any techical difference w/ his opponents.

LCW is actually superior technically and has a broad and flexible game that can support a varied tactical approach. The problem is that mentally he hasn't developed the ability to read the match situations and change tactics.

He prefers to go with the flow of the rally and hope that something develops. However, against the top level sometimes you will have to actively dictate play in order to win or change the momentum of the match.

I think this is the essential difference betewen LCW and Morten Frost. Frost played a rally style as well but with much greater purpose. He was always thinking to exploit a weakness and was very opportunistic; he was always ready to adapt his play to exploit any opportunity that arose.

That is why LCW is not consistent as you can only win going with the flow when his own game is totally on or your opponents is off.






Kind of agree with this. LD 95, LCW 90. The problem is that LD is very mature now and are less prone to under-perform (meaning: LD will always perform >88) while LCW's mind is still a bit unstable and can vary from 90 to 60.

The thing is, you cannot tell from the result alone whether LCW's mistakes are mainly due to himself or due to LD. So there is nothing wrong for some ppl to conjecture that the former is true -- of course there is nothing wrong for you to conjecture that the latter is true either.

Misbun's explanation indeed put some weight on your opinion.

I am just trying to point out the part where people missed in understanding the result.

That LCW lost to himself, but more importantly, LD is the main contributed factor.

LD used to be a bit too eager to prove his superiority, and when things were not going his way, he got frustrated. After WC07 it seems he overcame this a bit. He is more patient now.

LCW often seems a bit lost, doesn't know what he should do. LCW has the physique and skill, but he needs to be mentally more sharp/aggressive to match LD.

I think if u look at it as an overall rating that is correct. The main difference iis that LD is mentally tough, decisive and is mentally flexible enough to try different tactics to win the point. This ability compensates for any techical difference w/ his opponents.

LCW is actually superior technically and has a broad and flexible game that can support a varied tactical approach. The problem is that mentally he hasn't developed the ability to read the match situations and change tactics.

He prefers to go with the flow of the rally and hope that something develops. However, against the top level sometimes you will have to actively dictate play in order to win or change the momentum of the match.

I think this is the essential difference betewen LCW and Morten Frost. Frost played a rally style as well but with much greater purpose. He was always thinking to exploit a weakness and was very opportunistic; he was always ready to adapt his play to exploit any opportunity that arose.

That is why LCW is not consistent as you can only win going with the flow when his own game is totally on or your opponents is off.

The thing is, you cannot tell from the result alone whether LCW's mistakes are mainly due to himself or due to LD. So there is nothing wrong for some ppl to conjecture that the former is true -- of course there is nothing wrong for you to conjecture that the latter is true either.

Misbun's explanation indeed put some weight on your opinion.from no weighting to only some weight now after misbun disclosure??? you're so generous hahaha

Of course it's only "some weight". Simply because Misbun said it does not mean it's the whole truth. Sometimes you also do not agree with professionals' opinions, do you?

For example, Morten Frost commented that LCW is only at his 60% when playing CJ in AE08, do you agree? :D

from no weighting to only some weight now after misbun disclosure??? you're so generous hahaha

Of course it's only "some weight". Simply because Misbun said it does not mean it's the whole truth. Sometimes you also do not agree with professionals' opinions, don't you?

For example, Morten Frost commented that LCW is only at his 60% when playing CJ in AE08, do you agree? :D
misbun is lcw's professor, NOT MORTEN FROST:rolleyes::rolleyes:lololol

what morten said HAS NO WEIGHTING LAH ROFLOL

gotta go back to work. Anymore ROFLOL my co-workers think i having a seizure and crying on the floor because of my teary eyes.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

LCW: Where are you taking XXF after the match?
LD: I dunno, where are you taking WMC?
LCW: Maybe we can double date?
LD: Hmmm... Good idea!

:cool:I think if u look at it as an overall rating that is correct. The main difference iis that LD is mentally tough, decisive and is mentally flexible enough to try different tactics to win the point. This ability compensates for any techical difference w/ his opponents.

LCW is actually superior technically and has a broad and flexible game that can support a varied tactical approach. The problem is that mentally he hasn't developed the ability to read the match situations and change tactics.

He prefers to go with the flow of the rally and hope that something develops. However, against the top level sometimes you will have to actively dictate play in order to win or change the momentum of the match.

I think this is the essential difference betewen LCW and Morten Frost. Frost played a rally style as well but with much greater purpose. He was always thinking to exploit a weakness and was very opportunistic; he was always ready to adapt his play to exploit any opportunity that arose.

That is why LCW is not consistent as you can only win going with the flow when his own game is totally on or your opponents is off.
Interesting theory:):cool:

Drift or no drift, LD is a much better player shuttler than LCW. And he showed that last night by totally outplaying LCW.

:):):) U hit right on the nail

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40431&stc=1&d=1205714522

that picture is cute. their shirts' colours kinda match. :)

the volunteers got some nice outfits too.
I only got t-shirts from volunteering. :o

Drift or no drift, LD is a much better player shuttler than LCW. And he showed that last night by totally outplaying LCW.

Nod. So many here have better tactical ideas than misbun and lcw. It befuddled me.

..too bad their hair colors didn't match their shirt's colors...;)

HOPE THAT KKK DIDN'T HEAR THIS :p

No coaches should be blamed for the failures of the players. They have trained them to their best of ability and it's up to the players to apply their techniques in court. Most of our players are inconsistent. They can lose even to the lower ranking players during their off days.

Well, I am referring to our Malaysian players, especially KKK in particular. I just read in the local newspapers that Rexy passed a stern warning that if KKK doesn't show any improvements then he would be missing the OG in August. What a pity, if that is the case................It is common to all the players that they have their off-days, so LCW losing tamely to LD could be one of those things....

Well, I am referring to our Malaysian players, especially KKK in particular. I just read in the local newspapers that Rexy passed a stern warning that if KKK doesn't show any improvements then he would be missing the OG in August. What a pity, if that is the case................It is common to all the players that they have their off-days, so LCW losing tamely to LD could be one of those things....

There is a difference between LCW and KKK.

At the very least, LCW has been consistent in his performance. He got to
at least the last 8 or so during the last few SS.

But KKK? 1st round or 2nd round and there he goes out of the tournament.
Well, one would say can't blame KKK alone... coz he plays doubles. Yes, true!
But then again, he is the one who seems to be not performing among the
pair...

Not siding any players but just stating the truth. I always hope to see other
countries players giving the Chinese power giving a run for their money.
That's what competition is all about. No point seeing one country dominate.
It'll just be another training session for them...

i'm just making a general comment, not criticizing lcw.

some of u guys keep changing your tunes. Misbun/lcw is changing strategies. I dont believe they r that dumb. LCW is 2nd best IMO, so lcw/misbun only need to focus on LD. When playing a fast player like LD, we see tons of advices given here in BF on strategy threads. You want to slow down the fast paced opponent with deep clears and more rallying. Funny how lcw is doing that but now u MAL fans say we must get li mao back so steer lcw back to a attacking player. ROFL I dont have to invent anything, i just recall what was said before:p

My advice? BAM hire both li mao and misbun. Depending on who lcw faces or which set is being played, misbun and li mao can switch role on the fly at the coaches bench LOL Poor LYB, 2 coaches against one LOL

U must be sharp enough to change strategies when things didnt go well in the 1st place. The thing about LM, it would unnecessary to bring him back; LCW has the chops but must know when to execute those.

U must be sharp enough to change strategies when things didnt go well in the 1st place. The thing about LM, it would unnecessary to bring him back; LCW has the chops but must know when to execute those.
as i have said before, lcw and misbun aren't kids but pros, they have watched and played LD many times before, and they don't know when to execute??. When lcw is boxed in and under pressure, having the chops won't help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-xVb1qsPCw

after 164 posts, how come this simple concept is so hard to understand?????????? Maye because school only taught the P=f/a version

as i have said before, lcw and misbun aren't kids but pros, they have watched and played LD many times before, and they don't know when to execute??. When lcw is boxed in and under pressure, having the chops won't help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-xVb1qsPCw

after 164 posts, how come this simple concept is so hard to understand?????????? Maye because school only taught the P=f/a version

As ive said many times before, he is not sharp enough to change tactics when things r not going his way. Of course they hv watch LD's video over & over again, so did LD. Preparations is one thing, on court execution is another thing. And moreover, i was talking abt LCW's inability to change strategy when playing with the strong drift (thus giving up free points), not against LD. U r the one not understanding my comment.:cool:

There is a difference between LCW and KKK.

At the very least, LCW has been consistent in his performance. He got to
at least the last 8 or so during the last few SS.

But KKK? 1st round or 2nd round and there he goes out of the tournament.
Well, one would say can't blame KKK alone... coz he plays doubles. Yes, true!
But then again, he is the one who seems to be not performing among the
pair...

Not siding any players but just stating the truth. I always hope to see other
countries players giving the Chinese power giving a run for their money.
That's what competition is all about. No point seeing one country dominate.
It'll just be another training session for them...

I would say in terms of performance wise, LCW is more consistent than KKK.

But both shuttlers are weak when it comes to conduct off-court. I mean both shuttlers must know that they are national badminton players. In short they are pro sportsmen. It pains me to see LCW doing some political road show during the 12 General Elections i.e. playing badminton and all with Ling Hee Liong. Like last year's Machap by election, our shuttlers were taken for some road show by politicians to boost their election drive. This is a no, no as I believe being pro shuttlers they should just concentrate on their training and rest after their workouts.

Unfortunately, Ling Hee Liong got trounced in Gopeng. :D

As ive said many times before, he is not sharp enough to change tactics when things r not going his way. Of course they hv watch LD's video over & over again, so did LD. Preparations is one thing, on court execution is another thing. And moreover, i was talking abt LCW's inability to change strategy when playing with the strong drift (thus giving up free points), not against LD. U r the one not understanding my comment.:cool:

It is so simple to understand - I don't understand why people still argue as if one can just easily change tactics on the day. On court execution is very difficult. On a good day, LCW could be sharp and sometimes he, too, can come up with the ace.

I agree with you totally.

I would say in terms of performance wise, LCW is more consistent than KKK.

But both shuttlers are weak when it comes to conduct off-court. I mean both shuttlers must know that they are national badminton players. In short they are pro sportsmen. It pains me to see LCW doing some political road show during the 12 General Elections i.e. playing badminton and all with Ling Hee Liong. Like last year's Machap by election, our shuttlers were taken for some road show by politicians to boost their election drive. This is a no, no as I believe being pro shuttlers they should just concentrate on their training and rest after their workouts.

Unfortunately, Ling Hee Liong got trounced in Gopeng. :D

So sportsmen don't have private lives ? What about the sportsmen in the US who also do campaigning for their politicians ? LCW's loss has nothing to do with his campaigning -- he lost to better players on the day.

So sportsmen don't have private lives ? What about the sportsmen in the US who also do campaigning for their politicians ? LCW's loss has nothing to do with his campaigning -- he lost to better players on the day.

Of course they do have private lives. They are humans just like us. BUT ... to go out and campaign when the AE / SO are just round the corner kinda dont make any cow sense.

Have you ever seen either Andy Roddick /Kobe Bryant/Tony Meola/Joe Montana out campaigning for their fav presidential candidate when they have a major tournament round the corner???

You are spot on about LCW losing to a better LD. However, the point is LCW may have had a better chance against LD had he been more focused.

I would say in terms of performance wise, LCW is more consistent than KKK.

But both shuttlers are weak when it comes to conduct off-court. I mean both shuttlers must know that they are national badminton players. In short they are pro sportsmen. It pains me to see LCW doing some political road show during the 12 General Elections i.e. playing badminton and all with Ling Hee Liong. Like last year's Machap by election, our shuttlers were taken for some road show by politicians to boost their election drive. This is a no, no as I believe being pro shuttlers they should just concentrate on their training and rest after their workouts.

Unfortunately, Ling Hee Liong got trounced in Gopeng. :D
u r funny Pemuda....but i would agree with you. Let politics n sports be seperated, tho difficult to achieve...at least, the Rakyat know...:D

However, it is ok to play wf politicians during the free time, but not during election time, don't u think, the politicians r using them as a 'tool' to attract more voters???? I m really sick with this.

Sorry, mods, off topic, but i got to say this out. Close.

Pemuda didn't go off-topic (geez, the sky must be raining red soon!) with his comments regarding the election thingy because he's right - the players should remember that they represent the nation in an international badminton circuit - their job first and foremost is to play badminton.

Are they registered members of said political outfit? If so, then the argument can't be used because it's part of their duty as members, regardless of what they do for a living.

You are spot on about LCW losing to a better LD. However, the point is LCW may have had a better chance against LD had he been more focused.

this is correct. so far, as for now, LCW is the challenger to LD. others are a bit more behind.

When lin dan lost to lcw,why he is not bashed by ppls as bad as lcw?

i know the record is about 3 won by lcw and about 8 won by lin dan.
But when lin dan lost,no big deal.he played well.Just that....etc etc.
Lcw's lost is a big issue eh?

There is a difference between LCW and KKK.

At the very least, LCW has been consistent in his performance. He got to
at least the last 8 or so during the last few SS.

But KKK? 1st round or 2nd round and there he goes out of the tournament.
Well, one would say can't blame KKK alone... coz he plays doubles. Yes, true!
But then again, he is the one who seems to be not performing among the
pair...



Yeah..consistency is lcw.
But the u forgot to highlighted the drastic triumphs experienced by this kkk.
N all the drastic popularity hes going through.U cant expect him to experience the same thing like what lcw have.They are not the same.

kkk has once became our sweetheart.But he keep dissapointing lately.
What the fans need to do?Support.
Im quite happy with pemuda recently.He seems...Nicer?Appreciate that brother.:)

Hes not performing lately.True.But will he bounce back?undefined.
we will found out later.
For the moment,in my opinion,only kkk can save himself.Not us.
bad fans or lovely fans.Both cant give huge impact.
The answer is on kkk himself.
But like what kkk said,the supportive fans is slightly better.

sorry.Off topic.But comparing is something inappropriate.
N thanks for ur nice words shuttlekok.U are entitled of ur opinion.
N doing ur voice out in manners is something i should remark.

The strong drift was behind him in the 1st set, he should hv attacked more instead of lifting the shuttle, it was long for a dozen of times and giving away cheap points..... I wonder whats going on with his mind... :mad:
If he is able to keep the points in play, it might be a much closer match.
LD was smarter in that sense, he attacked more in the 2nd set when the drift was behind him.
Good point.That is simple court sense and intelligence.CHN is very sharp on these little details because it can generate cheap points, with minimum effort.

misbun is lcw's professor, NOT MORTEN FROST:rolleyes::rolleyes:lololol

what morten said HAS NO WEIGHTING LAH ROFLOL
Part of LCW's problem may be having Misbun as the Tournament Coach.Misbun is saying LCW needs to get into rhythm to play well and LCW is believing it.MF is expecting LCW to stage his CC smashes pretty early.(And he can.In AE MSF, under pressure to save 5 match points,he managed to set up 2 consecutive smash winners,as if by magic.)
Misbun is definitely great as a Training Coach.But it won't hurt to hire MF as a guest coach for just one tournament (hopefully SPO08!).MF did that for Tine R. in JO07 and once is all that's needed to just trigger off some breakthrough ideas.
As an example, in tennis, Djokovic has one coach but the coach was smart enough to realise that he can benefit more from having a short term guidance from John McEnroe on netplay.That catalyst probably helped him to create a record of beating the top 3 seeds in a row in winning the Montreal Open.And he took out Federer in straight 3 in the Australian Open.(But of course, Federer was suffering from mononucleisis?)
I'm pretty confident Misbun will be just as smart to welcome and test out a different tournament approach.

You mean like wait for Lin Dan to contract mononucleosis?

-dave

When lin dan lost to lcw,why he is not bashed by ppls as bad as lcw?

i know the record is about 3 won by lcw and about 8 won by lin dan.
But when lin dan lost,no big deal.he played well.Just that....etc etc.
Lcw's lost is a big issue eh?

Ok, let me put it in simple recent terms for you.

Take the recent AE & SO. LD made the final for both events. LCW how?

Have a nice day .... and yes Malaysia Boleh! ;)

are sure about this?
talk about FIRST...is LD first.
LD beat LCW in 2005 HongKong Open Semi-final.:D:D:p

Thanks for reminding...At that time year 2005 LCW is still not on par with LD yet.. The head to head count should start from 2007 on ward...As this is the time that LD started to pay respect to LCW

it is biased if we only count the H2H start from 2007.

Actually 4, if LD had turned up for MO, the 1st SS!!!

no, I'm not saying like that. and I don't agree with that statement.
at that time, LD haven't enough preparation for MO, it means he was not ready to compete. that's why he can't win MO.

When lin dan lost to lcw,why he is not bashed by ppls as bad as lcw?

i know the record is about 3 won by lcw and about 8 won by lin dan.
But when lin dan lost,no big deal.he played well.Just that....etc etc.
Lcw's lost is a big issue eh?

if i'm not wrong, LCW win 4 times.
MO 05 & 06
SC 07
JO 07

When my fellow "Msia Boleh fellowships" learn to accept that LD is a better player than our LCW??? ;) That's the fact though disheartening :o

We should be proud to have LCW as our countryman. Look at other badminton powerhouse such as Korea and Denmark, none of their top players could match our LCW. So, we must be contented :)

Msia Boleh!!!!!!! :p:D LCW Boleh!!!!!! :eek::eek:

no, I'm not saying like that. and I don't agree with that statement.
at that time, LD haven't enough preparation for MO, it means he was not ready to compete. that's why he can't win MO.
If you do live in China....you should know why LD did not go to MO....;)

So sportsmen don't have private lives ? What about the sportsmen in the US who also do campaigning for their politicians ? LCW's loss has nothing to do with his campaigning -- he lost to better players on the day.

Stimes what they dont understand is that the invitations go thru BAM. In last year's bi-lection in Machap, it was BAM who asked KKK/TBH, CTF/LWW to go. And..... CTF/LWW won the ABC tourney held aft that political event.

So, it doesnt effect their performance per se but cos Rexy didnt like his players being used by politicians...and so that it wouldnt become a routine accorrance, Rexy made noise.
And in case some here dont know, thereafter, the politicians did not ask MD players to go for such events anymore.

LCW, I'm not too sure about the details but I agree his loss not related to political campaigning. Just some here dont like players being used as political mileage.

And stated in the other thread, LCW, KKK/TBH did go for the charity event organised a few days bf AE, Rexy agreed to the event, seems to know the organiser quite well from what the organiser said. Should they stay away too since it might effect their performance? It's about balance.

Dear all,

Here's some statistic regarding 2007 performance (Lin Dan vs Lee Chong Wei):

Lin Dan - 2007 Performance
Played 13 tournaments, reached 7 finals ( 53.8% success rate)
Won 7 Gold medals ( 1 x World Champ; 5 x SS; 1 x GP)
Lost to 5 person: Park Sung Hwan (x2); Simon Santoso; Boonsak Ponsana; Lee Chong Wei; Bao Chun Lai

Lee Chong Wei - 2007 Performance
Played 16 tournaments, reached 6 finals (37.5% success rate)
Won 4 Gold medals ( 3 x SS; 1 x GP ) and 2 Silver medals (2 x SS)
Lost to 9 different person: Bao Chun Lai (x3); Lin Dan (x2); Taufik Hidayat, Chen Jin, Chen Yu, Ronald Susilo; Hafiz Hashim, Simon Santoso, Sony Dwi Kuncoro


Based on the above, Lee Chong Wei is still not on par with Lin Dan, performance-wise; however, I agree that Lee is technically on par with Lin now.

U had go too far my friend.. You are right IF and only IF our TOPIC is YEAR 2007 achievement for LCW & LD is it on par? In term of medal collection, how many finals they had reach and.. etc...

What we are discussing here is LCW & LD level of play is now on par.. No such thing as LD is better or a class higher then LCW..

In Year 2007, LD had lost twice to LCW in Sudirman Cup & Japan Open semi-final, LD won back in Hong Kong Open & Swiss Open 2008.. Someone pls correct me if i am wrong..

Dear all,

Here's some statistic regarding 2007 performance (Lin Dan vs Lee Chong Wei):

Lin Dan - 2007 Performance
Played 13 tournaments, reached 7 finals ( 53.8% success rate)
Won 7 Gold medals ( 1 x World Champ; 5 x SS; 1 x GP)
Lost to 5 person: Park Sung Hwan (x2); Simon Santoso; Boonsak Ponsana; Lee Chong Wei; Bao Chun Lai

Lee Chong Wei - 2007 Performance
Played 16 tournaments, reached 6 finals (37.5% success rate)
Won 4 Gold medals ( 3 x SS; 1 x GP ) and 2 Silver medals (2 x SS)
Lost to 9 different person: Bao Chun Lai (x3); Lin Dan (x2); Taufik Hidayat, Chen Jin, Chen Yu, Ronald Susilo; Hafiz Hashim, Simon Santoso, Sony Dwi Kuncoro


Based on the above, Lee Chong Wei is still not on par with Lin Dan, performance-wise; however, I agree that Lee is technically on par with Lin now.

Stimes what they dont understand is that the invitations go thru BAM. In last year's bi-lection in Machap, it was BAM who asked KKK/TBH, CTF/LWW to go. And..... CTF/LWW won the ABC tourney held aft that political event.

So, it doesnt effect their performance per se but cos Rexy didnt like his players being used by politicians...and so that it wouldnt become a routine accorrance, Rexy made noise.
And in case some here dont know, thereafter, the politicians did not ask MD players to go for such events anymore.

LCW, I'm not too sure about the details but I agree his loss not related to political campaigning. Just some here dont like players being used as political mileage.

And stated in the other thread, LCW, KKK/TBH did go for the charity event organised a few days bf AE, Rexy agreed to the event, seems to know the organiser quite well from what the organiser said. Should they stay away too since it might effect their performance? It's about balance.

My dear,

Do you know what 'having a back bone' is about?? Our shuttlers should just say no. Be firm. Instead they allow themselves to be pawns. And this is reflected in their mentality and make up.

As for LCW, you are saying it is ok to have such distractions prior to 2 major tournaments? :confused: No big surprise why LD is miles ahead of LCW. I guess it is no wonder till today Malaysia dont have a Olympic gold or WC to show in the trophy room. Continue to have such mentality, we will continue to get such poor results.

And stated in the other thread, LCW, KKK/TBH did go for the charity event organised a few days bf AE, Rexy agreed to the event, seems to know the organiser quite well from what the organiser said. Should they stay away too since it might effect their performance? It's about balance.

Well, how did LCW, KKK/TBH do in the AE?? Did they plunder in Europe?

:)So difficult to win an Olympic gold medal la. We should just go to the Olympic games village and buy one from the convenient store for USD2.99 and bring it back to Malaysia and celebrate big time. :D
:D:D:D:D
hILARIOUS

At the start of the 1st game it seems LCW was surprised by LD's tactic and LD rushed to a 10:1 lead. LD was very calm and patient, his made so few mistakes in the 1st game and LCW pretty much cannot do anything.

LCW actually did OK in the 2nd game. In contrast LD started to make more mistakes. Once LCW leaded 10:6. But he failed to take this chance by (maybe) being too eager and made a few mistakes which contributed to LD's decisive 6-points run. After that it seems to me LCW did not have much confidence anymore and was doomed.

as i have said before, lcw and misbun aren't kids but pros, they have watched and played LD many times before, and they don't know when to execute??. When lcw is boxed in and under pressure, having the chops won't help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-xVb1qsPCw

after 164 posts, how come this simple concept is so hard to understand?????????? Maye because school only taught the P=f/a version
:):cool::cool::cool::o:o
Hi Canuck

You mean like wait for Lin Dan to contract mononucleosis?

-dave
Huh? LD has been beaten by others already, without being sick.
I was just being sarcastic about Federer suggesting he lost because Djokovic was assisted by a virus in his straight sets win.

Huh? LD has been beaten by others already, without being sick.
I was just being sarcastic about Federer suggesting he lost because Djokovic was assisted by a virus in his straight sets win.
hmm but i find wood_22_chuck one was funnier.

My dear,

Do you know what 'having a back bone' is about?? Our shuttlers should just say no. Be firm. Instead they allow themselves to be pawns. And this is reflected in their mentality and make up.

As for LCW, you are saying it is ok to have such distractions prior to 2 major tournaments? :confused: No big surprise why LD is miles ahead of LCW. I guess it is no wonder till today Malaysia dont have a Olympic gold or WC to show in the trophy room. Continue to have such mentality, we will continue to get such poor results.

It has nothing to do with backbone. The guy wants to go else he would not have done it. He feels so strongly about who he wants to win as much as his badminton. You are making it sound like these guys don't know what they are doing except follow orders. We are not that naive even though you may be.

At the start of the 1st game it seems LCW was surprised by LD's tactic and LD rushed to a 10:1 lead. LD was very calm and patient, his made so few mistakes in the 1st game and LCW pretty much cannot do anything.

LCW actually did OK in the 2nd game. In contrast LD started to make more mistakes. Once LCW leaded 10:6. But he failed to take this chance by (maybe) being too eager and made a few mistakes which contributed to LD's decisive 6-points run. After that it seems to me LCW did not have much confidence anymore and was doomed.
LCW just caught napping, like his AE MSF vs CJ. CHN MS preparations were definitely meticulous and thoroughly deserved their wins.

My dear,

Do you know what 'having a back bone' is about?? Our shuttlers should just say no. Be firm. Instead they allow themselves to be pawns. And this is reflected in their mentality and make up.

As for LCW, you are saying it is ok to have such distractions prior to 2 major tournaments? :confused: No big surprise why LD is miles ahead of LCW. I guess it is no wonder till today Malaysia dont have a Olympic gold or WC to show in the trophy room. Continue to have such mentality, we will continue to get such poor results.
Someone in BAM must have said yes. There's no way any shuttler would be allowed or dare to get involved without clearance from higher ups.BAM should just have a rule specifying that no player is allowed to be involved officially in politics so that requests can be turned down stating that rule instead of coming across as not 'giving face'.

Huh? LD has been beaten by others already, without being sick.
I was just being sarcastic about Federer suggesting he lost because Djokovic was assisted by a virus in his straight sets win.

No worries :D. It was a dig at the statement of Misbun waiting to try out new tournament strategies. Sometimes humor fails.

-dave

There is always hope.

No worries :D. It was a dig at the statement of Misbun waiting to try out new tournament strategies. Sometimes humor fails.

-dave

It has nothing to do with backbone. The guy wants to go else he would not have done it. He feels so strongly about who he wants to win as much as his badminton. You are making it sound like these guys don't know what they are doing except follow orders. We are not that naive even though you may be.

If its not about having a backbone, then I am saying to go and campaign for some politician when the AE & SO is just around the corner is beyond poor planning. And the results at the AE & SO are pretty clear for all.

Nothing to do with being naive and etc as brought up by you.

Naahh...think that Chong Wei has played his very best of course..it's hard to watch Chong Wei in action and proceed to final..:) And for me, Lin Dan has got the rhythm of the play and he has ruled the court nearly 100%...that's why he deserve to be champion and entitled as the no.1 badminton player..;);) and the most stylish player of all..:p

My dear,

Do you know what 'having a back bone' is about?? Our shuttlers should just say no. Be firm. Instead they allow themselves to be pawns. And this is reflected in their mentality and make up.

As for LCW, you are saying it is ok to have such distractions prior to 2 major tournaments? :confused: No big surprise why LD is miles ahead of LCW. I guess it is no wonder till today Malaysia dont have a Olympic gold or WC to show in the trophy room. Continue to have such mentality, we will continue to get such poor results.

Kah kah kah, that's really funny, what does that got to do with "back bone" when it's the boss telling them to go. The invites go thru BAM, BAM asked them to go, BAM is their boss.
If your boss asked you to go somewhere, you have to go, you know very well. If one doesnt follow, the boss can show the door, I dunno, maybe your boss super nice. You saying like the players can over rule BAM orders.
BAM is their boss & for the MD players it was last minute, Rexy did say if he knew about it he wouldnt have allowed them to go.

And CTF/LWW did win the tourney after that, it sure didnt distract them.
It's not the players who must have "back bone", it's BAM, not to allow politicians to make use of players.

LCW - which distraction - the England charity event or the political one? Rexy also agreed for the charity one (means Rexy didnt think it'll be a distraction). Rexy is also one who wants his players to be focused, he thought it to be ok, so did Misbun & LCW. Taufik didnt go for the England charity event, he lost to LCW in AE, not LCW lost to Taufik.

Cai Yun also goes for charity events in between back-to-back tournaments (the articles came out in Badzine), he did lose too during that time(other times he won), would that mean it distracted him?

China players go for photo takes for products, magazine shoots, events organised by those products, charity events, that's organised by China BA, that includes Lin Dan & BCL. The photos are all in the respective player's threads. China BA told them to go, in China even more they must follow orders.

After attending all that, it didnt distract LD, LD can still win. Even if LD or other China's top players didnt win, the events thingy (political or other wise) would not be the reason.

Kah kah kah, that's really funny, what does that got to do with "back bone" when it's the boss telling them to go. The invites go thru BAM, BAM asked them to go, BAM is their boss.
If your boss asked you to go somewhere, you have to go, you know very well. If one doesnt follow, the boss can show the door, I dunno, maybe your boss super nice. You saying like the players can over rule BAM orders.
BAM is their boss & for the MD players it was last minute, Rexy did say if he knew about it he wouldnt have allowed them to go.

And CTF/LWW did win the tourney after that, it sure didnt distract them.
It's not the players who must have "back bone", it's BAM, not to allow politicians to make use of players.

LCW - which distraction - the England charity event or the political one? Rexy also agreed for the charity one (means Rexy didnt think it'll be a distraction). Rexy is also one who wants his players to be focused, he thought it to be ok, so did Misbun & LCW. Taufik didnt go for the England charity event, he lost to LCW in AE, not LCW lost to Taufik.

Cai Yun also goes for charity events in between back-to-back tournaments (the articles came out in Badzine), he did lose too during that time(other times he won), would that mean it distracted him?

China players go for photo takes for products, magazine shoots, events organised by those products, charity events, that's organised by China BA, that includes Lin Dan & BCL. The photos are all in the respective player's threads. China BA told them to go, in China even more they must follow orders.

After attending all that, it didnt distract LD, LD can still win. Even if LD or other China's top players didnt win, the events thingy (political or other wise) would not be the reason.

So, if your boss ask you do something which is out of your job scope, you will go along??? :o For example, if your boss ask you to go and help out his uncle's restaurant on the weekends, you will get all excited and go "yes siree, it will be my honour and all"? Well, I guess there are brown nosers in every organization. Anyway, all the best with your sucking up.

As for the being fired part, suggest you read up & understand our Msian labour law, seriously.

I have said it many times, but let me put in to you again :rolleyes: ; as long as we got idiots and lackeys running our sports association, we will continue to have a culture of pampering and the end result will be us having a high majority of mentally weak sportsmen/women.

As for your query on which event I was refering about in regards to LCW, please la read my posting. I said him playing badminton with Ling Hee Liong during the 12GE campaign. Easy enough for you??

Bottom line, our shuttlers need to ask themselves a serious question. Do they want to win that AE & SO and that Olympic gold?? If yes, they should have put in 100% effort and concentrate solely on training and resting. What others do are their business. What you are saying is that TH , Cai Yun & China players etc etc are doing this promo and everything. That is their problem. Maybe TH who have won that WC and OG while Cai Yun, the WC ... maybe they think they can relax a little. BUT for our shuttlers, we have NOT WON that Olympic gold.

Thats the difference.

haiz poor lcw......whenever he win or lose there are always criticism...no wonder he cannot play in peace.......he already tried his best but sometime things will not work as what we plan...
easy for us to say that he should do this and that or he should not do this and bla bla bla but things are not as simple as what we think it is...
Just let LCW plays his game..he and his coach know what to do =____________='''

haiz poor lcw......whenever he win or lose there are always criticism...no wonder he cannot play in peace.......he already tried his best but sometime things will not work as what we plan...
easy for us to say that he should do this and that or he should not do this and bla bla bla but things are not as simple as what we think it is...
Just let LCW plays his game..he and his coach know what to do =____________='''


Yeah I know what you mean -- there are too many back-seat drivers here.:D

haiz poor lcw......whenever he win or lose there are always criticism...no wonder he cannot play in peace.......he already tried his best but sometime things will not work as what we plan...
easy for us to say that he should do this and that or he should not do this and bla bla bla but things are not as simple as what we think it is...
Just let LCW plays his game..he and his coach know what to do =____________='''
What to do,sis.
We are talking about malaysians here.

1) So, if your boss ask you do something which is out of your job scope, you will go along??? :o For example, if your boss ask you to go and help out his uncle's restaurant on the weekends, you will get all excited and go "yes siree, it will be my honour and all"? Well, I guess there are brown nosers in every organization. Anyway, all the best with your sucking up.

As for the being fired part, suggest you read up & understand our Msian labour law, seriously.


2) .........As for your query on which event I was refering about in regards to LCW, please la read my posting. I said him playing badminton with Ling Hee Liong during the 12GE campaign. Easy enough for you??

3) Bottom line, our shuttlers need to ask themselves a serious question. Do they want to win that AE & SO and that Olympic gold?? If yes, they should have put in 100% effort and concentrate solely on training and resting. What others do are their business. What you are saying is that TH , Cai Yun & China players etc etc are doing this promo and everything. That is their problem. Maybe TH who have won that WC and OG while Cai Yun, the WC ... maybe they think they can relax a little. BUT for our shuttlers, we have NOT WON that Olympic gold.

Thats the difference.

1) This one's even funnier, clearly you look at it too hmm direct.
If last minute, your boss ask you to help & go somewhere for some promo, then you just go, one time. Where got time to ask & argue, etc? If say "outside job scope" ,depend on defination, boss can say "it's for promoting badminton", the players also attend certain activities to promote badminton.

Or to use your example : Very easy, Boss can say "Go to my uncle's restaurant & promote our products", and if promoting company products is within job scope,then of course must go. The management can ask a staff to do "any other tasks related to XXX company as determined by the management", that's in most appointment letters.
But read - doing for the company NOT uncle's restaurant.
If that one time, go & it turns out to be sthing else, I'll scold my boss, I dont suck up either.

It's just you make it sound like the players have more power over BAM than BAM has over them

AGAIN : the incident was never repeated, CTF/LWW were not affected, they won ABC. Let me clarify again : I dont like our players being used by politicians either.

LCW :
Well......Your post before that was :
"As for LCW, you are saying it is ok to have such distractions prior to 2 major tournaments" - the post before this, I mentioned 2 events, so was wondering.
Maybe you forgot the England charity event was held on a Sunday before AE 2008, also "prior to 2 major events". That according to timeline is even closer to AE, if want to say distraction, even more so than the political event.
Rexy agreed to the charity one but last year made noise about the political one. Rexy & Misbun even went with LCW, KKK/TBH. And Taufik did NOT go for this particular event, supposedly to focus on AE, Taufik still lost to LCW.

You have great respect for China's methods - their BA have arranged such promos etc BEFORE LD or Cai Yun won any major titles, it's a continious thing, all the while. Some of the product promo is not related to baddy, could be their sponsors. And China BA is particular about getting good results too, you know very well, they dont ever "relax a bit".

In real life, concentrating solely on training & resting does not guarantee gold or good results, neither does attending a few events affect their performance.
LCW trains extra from 6.30 am to 8 am every training day, on top of his usual schedule. He stimes trains on Sundays also, 7 days a week, non stop. Stimes other events (non political ones) is a respite to the stress of competition.

It's just that the way you make it sound, as if it's all the players fault whereas it's not always within their control.
We end it here...........

Anybody else thought that things had been over-analysed and over-complicated? :)

What to do,sis.
We are talking about malaysians here.

hehe it sound funny when u call me sis :p

p/s wilfredlgf i agree with u =___=''

12 pages?
over-analysed?
we have a ways to go yet, my friend ...

1) This one's even funnier, clearly you look at it too hmm direct.
If last minute, your boss ask you to help & go somewhere for some promo, then you just go, one time. Where got time to ask & argue, etc? If say "outside job scope" ,depend on defination, boss can say "it's for promoting badminton", the players also attend certain activities to promote badminton.

Even a 7 year old child will be able to understand that when our shuttlers went to Machap and playing doubles with Ling Hee Liong during the by election 07 and 12 GE 08 period it has got nothing to do with promoting badminton.

As for you and your boss thingy, I will say it again; all the best in sucking up. Brown nosers will do anything to move up that ladder, so no worries I can understand. ;)

Or to use your example : Very easy, Boss can say "Go to my uncle's restaurant & promote our products", and if promoting company products is within job scope,then of course must go. The management can ask a staff to do "any other tasks related to XXX company as determined by the management", that's in most appointment letters.
But read - doing for the company NOT uncle's restaurant.
If that one time, go & it turns out to be sthing else, I'll scold my boss, I dont suck up either.

Well, in that case, I hope you enjoy helping out your boss in whatever his side ventures be. After all, it is about 'promoting company products' and all. ;)

It's just you make it sound like the players have more power over BAM than BAM has over them

AGAIN : the incident was never repeated, CTF/LWW were not affected, they won ABC. Let me clarify again : I dont like our players being used by politicians either.

And since they won that ABC, you think such activities should be encouraged??? :confused:

LCW :
Well......Your post before that was :
"As for LCW, you are saying it is ok to have such distractions prior to 2 major tournaments" - the post before this, I mentioned 2 events, so was wondering.
Maybe you forgot the England charity event was held on a Sunday before AE 2008, also "prior to 2 major events". That according to timeline is even closer to AE, if want to say distraction, even more so than the political event.
Rexy agreed to the charity one but last year made noise about the political one. Rexy & Misbun even went with LCW, KKK/TBH. And Taufik did NOT go for this particular event, supposedly to focus on AE, Taufik still lost to LCW.

Am not refering to that charity event in England. 2 major tournaments means AE & SO! :rolleyes:

You have great respect for China's methods - their BA have arranged such promos etc BEFORE LD or Cai Yun won any major titles, it's a continious thing, all the while. Some of the product promo is not related to baddy, could be their sponsors. And China BA is particular about getting good results too, you know very well, they dont ever "relax a bit".

Look at our trophy cabinet and then look at China's. Who is more successful?

In real life, concentrating solely on training & resting does not guarantee gold or good results, neither does attending a few events affect their performance.
LCW trains extra from 6.30 am to 8 am every training day, on top of his usual schedule. He stimes trains on Sundays also, 7 days a week, non stop. Stimes other events (non political ones) is a respite to the stress of competition.

Sure, it does not guarantee anything. BUT it will at least put our shuttlers in a better condition and with that a better chance in having a crack.

It's just that the way you make it sound, as if it's all the players fault whereas it's not always within their control.
We end it here...........

Thats the problem with Malaysian sports in general.

Anybody else thought that things had been over-analysed and over-complicated? :)
Hey..hey..
can i be ur ally brother?

There is always hope.

Shall we all sit in a circle, close our eyes, cross our fingers and HOPE? ;)

what do you suggest we, as a fan, do pemuda?

what do you suggest we, as a fan, do pemuda?

Imagine, BAM or NSC for that matter, without fans support what will happen to the game?? What will sponsors do when fans abandon the game? In the NSC or Sports Ministry, who installed the current idiots?

Let me clarify again : I dont like our players being used by politicians either.

And since they won that ABC, you think such activities should be encouraged??? :confused:
Already stated in sentence bf that - No, politicians taking advantage of players me no like, it also never happened again to doubles players.

LCW :
Well......Your post before that was :
"As for LCW, you are saying it is ok to have such distractions prior to 2 major tournaments" -
Am not refering to that charity event in England. 2 major tournaments means AE & SO! :rolleyes:
Precisely what I meant too. The charity event was held 3 days before AE started, also very close to AE & SO. You did say distractions, this event was even closer to AE.
Rexy & Misbun also agreed & went with the players to England earlier for it. Rexy is one (you also respect his abilities) who also wants players to focus but he agreed to an event so close to AE.

It's about balance, same with China & their promo arrangements

Anyway, I did suggest before, 'young man' , if you really feel strongly
about it, perhaps use some of the boundless energy young men have, make a complaint to the press or BAM or NSC abt the "LCW gracing political event" thingy & other stuff that irks you. Some ppl might just take notice; here, only lowly fans notice;)

Already stated in sentence bf that - No, politicians taking advantage of players me no like, it also never happened again to doubles players.

If you dont like our shuttlers being used by politicians, then dont use one example as a brush to paint the entire picture with your "CTF/LWW were not affected, they won ABC"

And please dont look at things with a narrow vision i.e "it also never happened again to doubles players" because LCW was used as a pawn by Ling Hee Liong for his personal campaign during the 12GE just prior to AE & SO!! Your it also never happened again to doubles players statement showed how shallow you are.

Precisely what I meant too. The charity event was held 3 days before AE started, also very close to AE & SO. You did say distractions, this event was even closer to AE.
Rexy & Misbun also agreed & went with the players to England earlier for it. Rexy is one (you also respect his abilities) who also wants players to focus but he agreed to an event so close to AE.

Did Rexy & Misbun approved that Ling Hee Liong's charade?? Go figure out, ok?

It's about balance, same with China & their promo arrangements

Balance??? Atttending Ling Hee Liong's campaign, you call attending some politician's election show balance??? :confused:

You wanna compare us with China??? Do you know how many Olympic gold medals, WCs, AEs, Thomas & Uber cups and etc China have in their trophy cabinet?? :o

Anyway, I did suggest before, 'young man' , if you really feel strongly
about it, perhaps use some of the boundless energy young men have, make a complaint to the press or BAM or NSC abt the "LCW gracing political event" thingy & other stuff that irks you. Some ppl might just take notice; here, only lowly fans notice;)

Young man??:confused: My dear, let me tell you something; I may be younger than you and all BUT please be noted that I dont need to tell you what I have done or going to do.


Hope things are clear enough for you. ;)

The 2008 Swiss Open is now quite some distance behind us.
If you'd like to discuss Lee Chong Wei's loss, please continue.

If you want to discuss other issues, do open another thread :)

The 2008 Swiss Open is now quite some distance behind us.
If you'd like to discuss Lee Chong Wei's loss, please continue.

If you want to discuss other issues, do open another thread :)

guess that nothing much or any else to discuss further though...:)

guess that nothing much or any else to discuss further though...:)

You reminds me of the days of Imperial China. Where the Emperor goes, there are a retinue of eunuchs tagging along :)

Imagine, BAM or NSC for that matter, without fans support what will happen to the game?? What will sponsors do when fans abandon the game? In the NSC or Sports Ministry, who installed the current idiots?

so, what are you really suggesting? boycott all badminton tournaments in malaysia? dont watch badminton even when it is aired on tv? dont send your children to learn badminton? because if there are no fans, not only the BAM or the NSC that will feel the burn, the players and their family will also get neglected and lose hope for a future in badminton. and when there are no players, there is no badminton in malaysia. :)

talking about the installation of the current idiots, are you suggesting that we change the people who installed the current idiots? politicians are mostly idiots who, when in power, always tend to abuse it. give me one name of a politician who never ever abuse power in his entire time as a leader. every leader surrounds himself with people who supports him. ;)

so what else can we do? should we do an open petition to the BAM and the NSC and fans. how about you start one. i will support you. raise our voice a little. write to newspapers. bring banners to tournaments to tell them our concerns. liverpool fans did that to protest the intervention of the american investor. they did not however, boycott the game because that will hurt the morale of the players. :)

Okay. Let's all give each other a little breathing space.

Pemuda, stop it, otherwise I'll split my gut from laughing.

Just as fans need to air out their support in whatever way they can, without being called out for it, let's let Pemuda air his views out too.

Let's suspend belief for a moment and accept that no one's attacking anybody, and is merely using this forum to voice out their personal opinions, because everyone's entitled to their own.

-dave
p.s. Just wait till eaglehelang gets online to BadmintonForum and the quote-fest, multi-color replies start flying. :D

so, what are you really suggesting? boycott all badminton tournaments in malaysia? dont watch badminton even when it is aired on tv? dont send your children to learn badminton? because if there are no fans, not only the BAM or the NSC that will feel the burn, the players and their family will also get neglected and lose hope for a future in badminton. and when there are no players, there is no badminton in malaysia. :)

talking about the installation of the current idiots, are you suggesting that we change the people who installed the current idiots? politicians are mostly idiots who, when in power, always tend to abuse it. give me one name of a politician who never ever abuse power in his entire time as a leader. every leader surrounds himself with people who supports him. ;)

so what else can we do? should we do an open petition to the BAM and the NSC and fans. how about you start one. i will support you. raise our voice a little. write to newspapers. bring banners to tournaments to tell them our concerns. liverpool fans did that to protest the intervention of the american investor. they did not however, boycott the game because that will hurt the morale of the players. :)

My dear, allow me to address 'the installation of current idiots first'.

Currently, those sitting pretty in BAM, NSC, Sports Ministry are politicians or their appointed lackeys. Now, ask yourself who appointed these politicians and their what nots in the first place?? Who put them in power??

In Msia not only our sports are in the shitter. Our education system, health care, transportation, judicial, police are all equally in the shitter. After 50 years of independence, we find ourselves lagging behind Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, HK. Why do we continue to put up with these 3rd world standards?? Like it or not, all things lead to our current batch of politicians who is running this nation of ours to the ground.

Back to our sports i.e. badminton, put in monkeys and baboons, you get monkey business as the end product. You need to know, no matter what if our basic foundation is not right, things will be wishy washy. Thus, it is not surprising to see Malaysia today, despite all the money and best coaches we still dont have an Olympic gold or WC to show todate. And our players are mentally weak in the sense where they win one major title, they get the syiok sendiri Malaysia Boleh syndrome.

I am not talking about boycotting. I am talking about initiating real change. Yes, change those leeches, monkeys, apes, mongs, eunuchs, opportunists, lackeys and dead woods that are infesting BAM, NSC, Sports Ministry and all other sport bodies/associations. If they dont leave, we need to remove them via the ballot box. Take them out and in their place, we put in people who knows how to administer, finance, the game itself etc to run and manage all our sport bodies/associations. Remove the current subsidy mentality for a system that is based on meritocracy. Sports and politics should not mixed, period.

Things are changing in Malaysia as witnessed by all in the recently concluded 12GE. Even with your LCW helping out Ling Hee Liong in his election campaign are unable to prevent Hee Liong from being rejected by the rakyat at Gopeng. Hee Liong was trounced badly and sent packing home. This is the rakyat's message that they want change.

As for your call to name you one politician who never ever abuse power in his entire time as leader??? Tell you what, I give you a few names; Tok Guru Nik Aziz, Anwar Ibrahim, Kit Siang, Guan Eng. ;)

Okay. Let's all give each other a little breathing space.

Pemuda, stop it, otherwise I'll split my gut from laughing.

Just as fans need to air out their support in whatever way they can, without being called out for it, let's let Pemuda air his views out too.

Let's suspend belief for a moment and accept that no one's attacking anybody, and is merely using this forum to voice out their personal opinions, because everyone's entitled to their own.

-dave
p.s. Just wait till eaglehelang gets online to BadmintonForum and the quote-fest, multi-color replies start flying. :D

Ok, ok I agree in the name of Malaysia Boleh and our tallest flag pole in the world, our space hitch hiking program and our world's biggest roti canai, let there be love and kisses all round.

Point and counter-point.

I'd advise the partcipants (Pemuda, aza, eagle) to tread very carefully about moving the discussion into the political direction. Yes, this is one really powerful solution, but on the flip side, this is a sure-fire way to close down this thread asap.

-dave

Ok, ok I agree in the name of Malaysia Boleh and our tallest flag pole in the world, our space hitch hiking program and our world's biggest roti canai, let there be love and kisses all round.

Not at all what I was suggesting. The discussion is fun to follow, and I still hope it to continue.

But I sensed a little frustration from aza, and cautioned against backing anyone into a corner, as this will degrade the discussion.

-dave

Point and counter-point.

I'd advise the partcipants (Pemuda, aza, eagle) to tread very carefully about moving the discussion into the political direction. Yes, this is one really powerful solution, but on the flip side, this is a sure-fire way to close down this thread asap.

-dave

Ok, point taken and accepted.

As for your call to name you one politician who never ever abuse power in his entire time as leader??? Tell you what, I give you a few names; Tok Guru Nik Aziz, Anwar Ibrahim, Kit Siang, Guan Eng. ;)

democracy means the choice of majority. not just your vote and my vote. so when the time comes when the majority choose different leaders, we'll see if things will change for the better. :)

as for the bolded parts, only GOD knows whether what you claim is the truth.

Point and counter-point.

I'd advise the partcipants (Pemuda, aza, eagle) to tread very carefully about moving the discussion into the political direction. Yes, this is one really powerful solution, but on the flip side, this is a sure-fire way to close down this thread asap.

-dave

ok i agree. will be my last post on this matter. if we are gonna talk about politics, this is not the place. this is the place for badminton fans. who support the players they have chosen. pemuda will support WMC, i will support malaysian team. i think eaglehelang, koo_fan and xball is also supporting malaysian team. winston will support CHINA team. badmania and huangkwokhau will support indonesia team. :D let's all support our players. :) i will also support peter gade, hehehe, and lee yong dae, and tine rasmussen. :D

Not at all what I was suggesting. The discussion is fun to follow, and I still hope it to continue.

But I sensed a little frustration from aza, and cautioned against backing anyone into a corner, as this will degrade the discussion.

-dave

:D i am not frustrated dave. much less being backed into a corner. i only see it as pemuda and me having totally different way of looking at things. his way is not necessarily the right one and mine is not necessarily the wrong one. :D:p;):):cool:

there are things that i agree with him and there are things that i dont. i have that right. :)

Well, it's happened again :(