Rexy: Fairuzzizan/Latif to replace KKK/TBH for Beijing 2008 [Archive]

winnie

03-18-2008, 11:03 AM

those who can read chinese, i hope u guys read tis..
職業生涯最艱難時刻‧古健傑首次為羽球流淚

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古健傑表示這是他目前面對的最艱難時刻，但他會積極面對，重振雄風。
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（吉隆坡）古健傑生平第一次為了羽球而哭！
被國家隊雙打教練雷西點名指在場上不信任隊友、場外私生活 (http://203.142.6.171/sci/c.php?c=1039&t=http://www.celcom.com.my/cep/xresources/celcomcorp/promotions/xpax/3000-free-sms/index.html)缺乏自律的古健傑，今午（18日）在武吉加里爾國家體能 (http://203.142.6.171/sci/c.php?c=1029&t=http://www.celcom.com.my/cep/xresources/celcomcorp/promotions/xpax/3000-free-sms/index.html)訓練中心與教練龐學章談起近日報章對他所作的報導時，流下了男兒淚，哭紅了雙眼。
古健傑與龐學章進行了逾一個小時的交流，並在心情略微平復後，坦然面對在旁等候他多 (http://203.142.6.171/sci/c.php?c=1082&t=http://www.celcom.com.my/cep/xresources/celcomcorp/consumer/postpaid/index.html)時的媒體記者，同時在訪問過程中坦承這是他第一次為了羽球而哭。
對雷西的談話很震驚
他說 (http://203.142.6.171/sci/c.php?c=1032&t=http://www.celcom.com.my/cep/xresources/celcomcorp/promotions/xpax/3000-free-sms/index.html)，他星期天從瑞士飛回吉隆坡，昨天（17日）沒有訓練，一整天都在休息，但卻對報章對他的報導感到震驚。
古健傑今午不承認、也不否認雷西日前對本地報章《新海峽時報》所作的陳述是對還是錯，但他認為自己當下的確感覺“很受傷”。
他認為，雷西在此時向報章作出這樣的陳述，顯然是對他失去信心，這是讓他難過痛哭的主要原因。“我感覺到教練和隊友都對我失去信心，連媽媽也不信任我，目前我確實處於職業生涯中最困難的時刻。 ”
背負無形的壓力
“我以前從不覺得打羽球是很困難的事，和陳重名拍檔的那段時期也是我最快 (http://203.142.6.171/sci/c.php?c=1045&t=http://www.celcom.com.my/cep/xresources/celcomcorp/promotions/xpax/3000-free-sms/index.html)樂的時期；當然，現在 (http://203.142.6.171/sci/c.php?c=1030&t=http://www.celcom.com.my/cep/xresources/celcomcorp/promotions/xpax/3000-free-sms/index.html)和陳文宏拍檔可讓我在職業生涯中爭取更多的榮譽，但我始終背負一種無形的壓力，以前我輸球時也沒有承受過這樣大的壓力。”
不過，當問起這樣的報導會否影響他和雷西的關係時，他說若是換作以前，他肯定會對雷西的舉動不滿，但這段日子以來經歷了不少，他將嘗試從積極的角度看待此事。
明白雷西的苦心
他說，他明白雷西的苦心，雷西說考慮不讓他和陳文宏參加奧運會，可能是一種激將法，目的是要激起他在湯杯和奧運會到來前觸底反彈。
古健傑表示，他對自己在全英與瑞士公開賽的表現也很失望，但他和旁觀者一樣，也很想知道到底問題出在哪裡。
雷西指古健傑在場上不信任隊友，是導致古陳成績下滑的原因之一，對此古健傑另有看法。他說，他即使是早期和鄒俊英、陳重名合作時，也是扮演主導比賽的角色，他承認這是他求勝心切所致。
希望可觸底反彈
無論如何，古健傑希望可在吉打的全國巡迴大獎賽總決賽和4月 (http://203.142.6.171/sci/c.php?c=1083&t=http://www.celcom.com.my/cep/xresources/celcomcorp/consumer/postpaid/index.html)的亞洲錦標賽重整旗鼓，“這是我可證明自己的最後機會，希望還有機會參加奧運會，但我還不確定教練是否會派我參賽。”

i hope some1 can help to do the translation

Smichz

03-18-2008, 12:48 PM

I just wanna wish them all the best..

chin yin

03-18-2008, 01:53 PM

I tried my best, hope it helps. I tried to keep to the original structure but at times I have to change a bit so that I won't need to compromise its meaning. Apology for inappropriate usage of terms due to the limited vocabulary that I have.

(photo) Koo Kien Keat said that this is the most critical moment he faces now, but he would face it pro-actively and regain his reign.

Critical time of professional sportsmanship, Koo Kien Keat cried for the first time because of badminton

(Kuala Lumpur) Koo Kien Keat cried because of badminton for the first time in his lifetime!

Koo Kien Keat, singled out by national doubles coach Rexy for not trusting teammate on court and lacking self-discipline in private life outside the court, when talking to coach Pang today (18th) at Bukit Jalil National Sports Stamina Training Centre about the news published in the newspaper regarding himself, shed his tears and had tender eyes because of the crying. (direct translation is red eyes but I thought its unsuitable)

After Koo Kien Keat had a discussion with Pang for approximately an hour and was recovering towards a calmer emotion, he approached the media reporters who have been waiting long for him open-heartedly and admitted during the interview that this was the first time he cried because of badminton.

Shocked at Rexy's remarks
He said he flew back from Switzerland to KL on Sunday, did not train yesterday (17th) and rested for the whole day, but felt shock in regards to the report on the newspaper about him.

Today Koo Kien Keat did not admit nor deny the validity of the statement made by Rexy to the local newspaper (New Straits Time) but he thought he was feeling "very hurt" at that moment.

In his opinion, for Rexy to make such a statement to the newspaper at this moment, it is an obvious lack of confidence towards him, and this is the main reason that has made him cry sadly. "I felt that the coach and teammate have lost confidence towards me, even my mother does not trust me, now I am definitely situated at the critical moment of my professional sportsmanship. "

Carrying an invisible burden
"In the past I never felt that playing badminton is a difficult task, the period when I partnered Chan Chong Ming was the happiest time for me. Of course partnering Tan Boon Heong could let me strive for more glory during my professional sportsmanship, but I always carried an invisible burden, I never had such a burden when I lost matches beforehand."

However, when asked whether such report would affect his relationship with Rexy, he said if it was before, he would surely be unsatisfied with Rexy's action, but he has grown in experience these days and he would try to look at this matter from a proactive angle.

Understand Rexy's purpose

He said, he understands Rexy's purpose, Rexy considers not sending Tan Boon Heong and himself to the Olympics may be a method of positive provocation aiming to encourage him to bounce back before Thomas Cup and Olympics arrive.

Koo Kien Keat commented that he was disappointed too with his performance at All England and Swiss Open, but he is as eager as the sideliner to find out the root of the problem.

Rexy pointed out that Koo Kien Keat's lack of trust towards teammate on court is one of the reasons that cause the deterioration of Koo-Tan's results but Koo Kien Keat has a different point to make. He said, even when he was partnering Chew Chun Eng and Chan Chong Ming in the early days, he was acting the part of conducting the game, he admits that this might be due to his impatience to win.

Hope to bounce back
Anyway, Koo Kien Keat hopes that he could pull himself together during the National Badminton Championship in Kedah and Asian Badminton Championship in April, "this is the last opportunity for me to prove myself, hopefully there is still chance to participate in the Olympics, but I am not sure whether the coach would send me to the competition."

Sin Chew Jit Poh/Sports 2008.03.18

Dreamzz

03-18-2008, 02:19 PM

thanks for the translation, he sounds pretty gutted ...

jamesd20

03-18-2008, 05:37 PM

jamesd20

03-18-2008, 05:43 PM

KKK did has some problem relationship matters. But i still believe that he is the same person that he is before all these limelights.

If so this is very bad news. He who sees life the same at 30 as at 20 has wasted 10 years of his life.

Put simply if he is the same as before the incident, he hasn't learnt, and if he hasn't learnt it means he believes he wasn't wrong. If this is the case the same thing will happen again, with the same dip in form professionally.

Pemuda

03-18-2008, 07:51 PM

badMania

03-18-2008, 08:06 PM

Yep, seems unrepentant. And I am afraid Rexy may be made the villian in this whole KKK saga.

We will welcome Rexy back to Jakarta with open hands :o:D

Krisna, Hau-Ge, taufik-1st, and I will arrange for a big home-coming party should he decide to return home ;)

ants

03-18-2008, 08:19 PM

If so this is very bad news. He who sees life the same at 30 as at 20 has wasted 10 years of his life.

Put simply if he is the same as before the incident, he hasn't learnt, and if he hasn't learnt it means he believes he wasn't wrong. If this is the case the same thing will happen again, with the same dip in form professionally.

You misunderstood me here. What i meant was he was the same good fella he was. Not in a bad way. Of course he did side tracked a little due to limelights after all hoo haaa in the media about him. And at his age he just couldn't cope with the situation that was placed upon him. He may look arrogant but for me i know him personally. But he did has his foot firmly on the ground. No doubt he is fashionable.. that is him.

eaglehelang

03-18-2008, 09:36 PM

From that translation it seems to me that KKK/TBH are over. I　can't see any pair recovering from this kind open and possibly hurtful talk from one partner to another. It seems KKK admits he feels his partner is inadequate。

It also puts a lot of pressure on Rexy, as KKK will be viewed as a high potential player (AE Winner) but Rexy appears to be alienating him. It is a dangerous game to play using open threats in this way - it shows first of all that Rexy feels KKK is not paying any notice of his advice behind the media （Rexy will surely have told KKK this before making it public - and if not, then it shows that the Rexy/KKK relationship is even worse）.

KKK's reaction seems unrepentant to me.

Badmania has posted the Star's intv in the "........downhill" thread. NST & the major dailies also carried the news. Read the English versions & make your own judgement.

Rexy will not be made the villian out of this but KKK. If KKK/TBH dont get to go, uncles & fuzzy dont win a medal(of any colour), then fingers will pointed at KKK i.e. it's KKK's fault for shrewing up Msia's medal chance.

Rexy does blast the players, that's his 'style' - Zakry has got it bf for taking too many phone calls during training & going out for supper sessions with friends - after training supper also Rexy will comment, this one....
CTF has been blasted bf for being unprofessional on court.
As far as I recall, so far only the no 6 pair Hoon Thien How, Wee Kiong has never gotten blasted.
To be fair to Rexy, it also shows Rexy is under a lot of pressure.

The next round of drama will come when NSC & BAM meet up with them.
One thing's for sure, this year's OG has more heightened anxiety & pressure than the 2004 one. Now only March, already so much drama, from one to another.

Badmania, he he, wait untill 2009 for Rexy to return can ?

pjswift

03-18-2008, 09:55 PM

You misunderstood me here. What i meant was he was the same good fella he was. Not in a bad way. Of course he did side tracked a little due to limelights after all hoo haaa in the media about him. And at his age he just couldn't cope with the situation that was placed upon him. He may look arrogant but for me i know him personally. But he did has his foot firmly on the ground. No doubt he is fashionable.. that is him.
Agree. KKK has a bright personality and good sense of humour. If he loses that,likely will it be so for his love and gift of badminton.What's wrong with partying and wearing blings and experimenting with hair colours? He's only 22! That means he's behaving normally for someone of his age level and of the high-energy type.KKK just needs to know to party (to the hilt) only weekends. Yes, work hard and play hard at the right times.
Eddie is right in defending them and in hinting they may not win in OG08 (and yet they might, who knows?) but so what, there's still life after OG08 and there's OG12...Rexy is just disappointed his own dream is moving further away and he will feel better to rein in his expectations.Badminton outcome is so outrageous nowadays, there's no use worrying or having expectations.Just continue the great coaching and hope for the best.No use worrying unless the act of it can achieve the desired outcome.

ctjcad

03-19-2008, 02:05 AM

...
To be fair to Rexy, it also shows Rexy is under a lot of pressure.

The next round of drama will come when NSC & BAM meet up with them.
One thing's for sure, this year's OG has more heightened anxiety & pressure than the 2004 one. Now only March, already so much drama, from one to another.
...
:confused:..what pressure??..:p :);)..Btw, that's an interesting thought abt Rexy saying all these things and at the same time him being possibly under scrutiny and pressure.

koo_fan

03-19-2008, 03:05 AM

KKK/TBh need to learn something from this drastic result.
Learn and do better.

Hard to say this.But the decision is appropriate.I understand how rexy feels.
Just hope he wont lose hope for his boys.
About that rumours - kkk -party guy/womanizer/playboy.Make sense to post that opinion.I dont expect this from rexy.
If this is a truth.I'll still be his loyal fan n hoping him to change.Support him in a proper way.

jamesd20

03-19-2008, 04:14 AM

Agree. What's wrong with partying and wearing blings and experimenting with hair colours? He's only 22! That means he's behaving normally for someone of his age level and of the high-energy type.KKK just needs to know to party (to the hilt) only weekends.

For me that is exactly the point. He is not a Normal person, he is a high profile professional sportsman. He is a role model and ambassador for both Malyasian people and Malaysia itself.

As a professional sportsman training to win an OG Medal I　don't think it is acceptable for him to be "partying to the hilt" even at weekends. To me there is no wonder his form has dipped if this is the case.

Do you Think LD is "partying to the hilt" at weekends?

azabaz_ipoh

03-19-2008, 04:35 AM

i dont mind the hairdo or the accessories, because that is just style. but partying or not committed to training, now that i dont think is proper for a professional sportsman who is representing his country.

if indeed he is distracted and he is not committed, then due punishment should be given and he should not be excused simply because he won before. if you want to be a champion, hard work is the only way. the minute you lack drive and determination, you will cease to be a contender. and will start losing on a regular basis and disappoint people who believe in you.

ants

03-19-2008, 04:36 AM

Koo does party.. but he doesn't party until there is no tomorrow. Personally i think Lindan goes out more than KKK.

robin7

03-19-2008, 04:51 AM

Koo does party.. but he doesn't party until there is no tomorrow. Personally i think Lindan goes out more than KKK.
So, u join him for party too ya.:p

morphy

03-19-2008, 04:51 AM

yeah I think too much has been made about his partying ways. The difference tho between Koo and LD is LD is producing. Personally I wouldn't care how hard someone partys, what colour they dyed their hair or what jewelery they wear as long as they can produce on court. If KKK/TBH were winning noone would even question his late nite habits or his womanizing ways, allegedly.

I'm also a little taken back by rexy coming out in the open with mtters that are probably best kept and dealt with internally. OTH, he did say he tried to advise him on many occasions and KKK just didnt listen so probably he thought going public is the last recourse for him.

I think Rexy said it best when he says he is not here to coach one player (KKK) but to coach for Malaysia. I'm not even sure KKK appreciates how good he has it.

jamesd20

03-19-2008, 04:55 AM

So if he doesn't party that much, he has his feet firmly on the ground and he has a good personality, then he just isn't good enough then?

eaglehelang

03-19-2008, 05:18 AM

:confused:..what pressure??..:p :);)..Btw, that's an interesting thought abt Rexy saying all these things and at the same time him being possibly under scrutiny and pressure.

He, he, cos some here will say that it's one sided and all that mah, so must put a qualifying point ;). Coaches under pressure to produce results. Interesting that the person I replied to thought Rexy will made the villian in this issue, it shows from one article can have different interpretation.

Coaches like Li Mao did get blamed for players' performance. Rexy under scrutiny yes, when he resigned 2nd time - due to the "certain parties" questioning his loyality. Early this year, Rexy said it's not "Happy" New Year, it's a year full of pressure.

Stay tuned for part 3 of the drama.....

dollielove

03-19-2008, 06:13 AM

KKK/TBH might be replaced by Fairuzzizan/Latif in upcoming BEIJING OLYMPIC if KKK still dont want to change his big head attitude.

That's what Rexy told reporters.

What do you say abt it?

Not agreeee at all...honestly lah, those malays are excellent I admit but they don't have the 'aurors' or internal powers like kien keat..can see that their smashes are not so powerful and cannot beat the Koreans in Swiss Open..They're already leading to 19 but lost at last..same as tan fook-wan wah also..don't think that 20 is already end lol..:mad::mad:

wilfredlgf

03-19-2008, 06:58 AM

jamesd20

03-19-2008, 07:14 AM

Rexy will not be made the villian out of this but KKK. If KKK/TBH dont get to go, uncles & fuzzy dont win a medal(of any colour), then fingers will pointed at KKK i.e. it's KKK's fault for shrewing up Msia's medal chance.

mmmm...I am not so sure. Players take many years and a lot of money to develop coaches are ready made, and can be replaced..no matter how good they are.

I see rexy is in a no win situation almost. If KKK/TBH win OG Gold, then he will be criticised for doubting him and KKK will have all the power.

If KKK/TBH go and do not medal he will be accused of no acting in the best interests.

The Only situation I can see where he wins is if Fairuzzizan/Latif go, win gold and CTF/LWW get another medal.

Dato Asbullah

03-19-2008, 07:46 AM

Not agreeee at all...honestly lah, those malays are excellent I admit but they don't have the 'aurors' or internal powers like kien keat..can see that their smashes are not so powerful and cannot beat the Koreans in Swiss Open..They're already leading to 19 but lost at last..same as tan fook-wan wah also..don't think that 20 is already end lol..:mad::mad:

But Fairuz/zakry manage to beat KKK/TBH in swiss open....

What we want to see is results, not the so-called 'aurors' or internal powers.

CTF/LWW also producing good results in recent tournaments. But what abt KKK/TBH? KNOCKED OUT IN THE EARLY STAGE!

WHO CARES ABT ''POWER'' IF CANT PRODUCE GOOD RESULTS?

eaglehelang

03-19-2008, 08:34 AM

mmmm...I am not so sure. Players take many years and a lot of money to develop coaches are ready made, and can be replaced..no matter how good they are.

I see rexy is in a no win situation almost. If KKK/TBH win OG Gold, then he will be criticised for doubting him and KKK will have all the power.

If KKK/TBH go and do not medal he will be accused of no acting in the best interests.

The Only situation I can see where he wins is if Fairuzzizan/Latif go, win gold and CTF/LWW get another medal.

Actually that was what happened in AG 2006, the senior players were dropped, i.e. CCM, CTF/LWW due to poor performance. Fairuz/Lin, KKK/TBH were sent. They failed in team event, KKK/TBH won gold in individual.

In another perspective, even when they lost in team event, Rexy wasnt seen as villian. If they had also failed in individual events, it would have been Yap Kim Hock's head on the chopping block, the powers-that-be want Rexy, the chief coach's dispenseable. The NSC Director has made some cutting remarks about Yap in public.

Rexy is seen in high regard cos he brought Msia to win AG & AE after so many years. So, if uncles & fuzzy are sent & dont win medals, but LCW wins medal, not so bad.

Anyway, it's not finalised yet, Rexy is the more "dramatic" type, the ending could anti-climax.

jamesd20

03-19-2008, 09:28 AM

Actually that was what happened in AG 2006, the senior players were dropped, i.e. CCM, CTF/LWW due to poor performance. Fairuz/Lin, KKK/TBH were sent. They failed in team event, KKK/TBH won gold in individual.

So What I said still stands then. he did this before and the risk paid off. at OG the risk is higher as bigger risk for one (Fairuz/Lin are not in the same potential level as KKK/TBH) and higher profile. AG comes every 2 years.

I agree about YKH. His title is Head coach.........although I am not sure how much control he has over rexy:rolleyes: he will be the one to go, since he is "supposed" to be in overall control. Rexy is the golden boy!:D

badMania

03-19-2008, 09:31 AM

So What I said still stands then. he did this before and the risk paid off. at OG the risk is higher as bigger risk for one (Fairuz/Lin are not in the same potential level as KKK/TBH) and higher profile. AG comes every 2 years.

Tet...wrong....AG, like the Olympics comes every 4 years. The last one was in 2006 (Doha) and the next one will be in 2010 (Guangzhou).

jamesd20

03-19-2008, 10:57 AM

Tet...wrong....AG, like the Olympics comes every 4 years. The last one was in 2006 (Doha) and the next one will be in 2010 (Guangzhou).

My apologies, I was confusing this with ABC.......:o:o:o

At least I was right OG is higher profile though:p

Oldhand

03-19-2008, 11:12 AM

Koo Kien Keat is hardly the first champ-in-the-making (or, to be harsher, wannabe champ) felled by an immature reading of fame. Fame is a heady elixir... and, as soon as it goes to the head, it morphs into failure (or worse, notoriety).

For sustained success, a commitment to partying and macho accoutrement is no substitute for a commitment to the element that generated the fame - which, in KKK's case, is badminton.

Even in controlled doses, fame can be debilitating if not handled with care. Names like Diego Maradona, Mike Tyson, George Best, Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears should ring several bells ;)

Closer to home, KKK could learn a lesson or two from Taufik Hidayat's barren run. At the risk of displeasing many, I'd say Hidayat is another example of brilliant talent corroded by a fondness for off-court distractions. Had he fully committed himself to the game, he would have been a legend. Instead, he's now forced to play in the shadow of a determined champion named Lin Dan.

If, like many before him, KKK continues to chase the bright lights beyond the arena rather than pursue achievable and sustained success, it won't take long for his fading star to be eclipsed by new rising suns.

For now, the writing on Koo Kien Keat's wall is clear: The Party Is Over :o

ye333

03-19-2008, 11:57 AM

Agree with this one. I think maybe it's time for Rexy to leave.

mmmm...I am not so sure. Players take many years and a lot of money to develop coaches are ready made, and can be replaced..no matter how good they are.

I see rexy is in a no win situation almost. If KKK/TBH win OG Gold, then he will be criticised for doubting him and KKK will have all the power.

If KKK/TBH go and do not medal he will be accused of no acting in the best interests.

The Only situation I can see where he wins is if Fairuzzizan/Latif go, win gold and CTF/LWW get another medal.

taufik-ist

03-19-2008, 12:25 PM

Agree with this one. I think maybe it's time for Rexy to leave.

then welcome back home REXY :D

jamesd20

03-19-2008, 12:42 PM

Koo Kien Keat is hardly the first champ-in-the-making (or, to be harsher, wannabe champ) felled by an immature reading of fame. Fame is a heady elixir... and, as soon as it goes to the head, it morphs into failure (or worse, notoriety).

For sustained success, a commitment to partying and macho accoutrement is no substitute for a commitment to the element that generated the fame - which, in KKK's case, is badminton.

Even in controlled doses, fame can be debilitating if not handled with care. Names like Diego Maradona, Mike Tyson, George Best, Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears should ring several bells ;)

Man when I first read this I thought you had swallowed a thesaurus!:D

I also fully agree with everything you said!;)

ye333, Maybe yes, from the outside it appears her is exasparated by the lack of application. Even though this outburst may be simply an attempt to kick start the players, ideally he would not wish it to be this way.

It seems the players under his tutelege cannot match his appetite for training and improving that he showed as a player and demands as a coach. ENG players certainly couldn't. Rexy is certainly one of the best coaches of our time. For MAS players sake I hope they realise this before it is too late. there will be plenty of countries queuing to secure his services.

Oldhand

03-19-2008, 08:05 PM

Man when I first read this I thought you had swallowed a thesaurus!:D

I also fully agree with everything you said!;)
That 'swallowing' happened a long time ago.
I'm still digesting it :D

ye333, Maybe yes, from the outside it appears her is exasparated by the lack of application. Even though this outburst may be simply an attempt to kick start the players, ideally he would not wish it to be this way.

It seems the players under his tutelege cannot match his appetite for training and improving that he showed as a player and demands as a coach. ENG players certainly couldn't. Rexy is certainly one of the best coaches of our time. For MAS players sake I hope they realise this before it is too late. there will be plenty of countries queuing to secure his services.
Indeed, Rexy's arrival initially heralded a period of good fortune for all involved... the players, the coach, the association and the nation.

But, today, that era appears to be drawing to a close.

Only the coach seems to have fully retained the appetite for success ;)
A few players have developed an appetite for other things.
Another few have certainly lost their appetite.
Yet another few have switched to vegetarian...
...and the association has completely lost the recipe for success.

Sadly, an optimistic nation waits for the feast, hoping that gold and glory will somehow still evolve from the chaos in its kitchen :o

eaglehelang

03-19-2008, 08:54 PM

Indeed, Rexy's arrival initially heralded a period of good fortune for all involved... the players, the coach, the association and the nation.

But, today, that era appears to be drawing to a close.

Only the coach seems to have fully retained the appetite for success ;)
A few players have developed an appetite for other things.
Another few have certainly lost their appetite.
Yet another few have switched to vegetarian...
...and the association has completely lost the recipe for success.

Sadly, an optimistic nation waits for the feast, hoping that gold and glory will somehow still evolve from the chaos in its kitchen :o

Kah kah, you 'practising' for your new book, is it?

Indonesia will be happy, and Msia can have less 'drama'.

Pemuda

03-19-2008, 09:03 PM

Pemuda

03-19-2008, 09:08 PM

Indeed, Rexy's arrival initially heralded a period of good fortune for all involved... the players, the coach, the association and the nation.

But, today, that era appears to be drawing to a close.

Only the coach seems to have fully retained the appetite for success ;)
A few players have developed an appetite for other things.
Another few have certainly lost their appetite.
Yet another few have switched to vegetarian...
...and the association has completely lost the recipe for success.

Sadly, an optimistic nation waits for the feast, hoping that gold and glory will somehow still evolve from the chaos in its kitchen :o

And this disease is not only occuring in badminton, it is basically across all our sports.

ants

03-19-2008, 09:10 PM

The worse is football.

Pemuda

03-19-2008, 10:01 PM

FAM totally infested with opportunists and idiots.
Hockey and Track n Field are no better either.

ants

03-19-2008, 11:03 PM

:) At least we have hope in Squash and Bowling. :)

X Ball

03-19-2008, 11:15 PM

That 'swallowing' happened a long time ago.
I'm still digesting it :D

Indeed, Rexy's arrival initially heralded a period of good fortune for all involved... the players, the coach, the association and the nation.

But, today, that era appears to be drawing to a close.

Only the coach seems to have fully retained the appetite for success ;)
A few players have developed an appetite for other things.
Another few have certainly lost their appetite.
Yet another few have switched to vegetarian...
...and the association has completely lost the recipe for success.

Sadly, an optimistic nation waits for the feast, hoping that gold and glory will somehow still evolve from the chaos in its kitchen :o

I like to think differently -- to me it is the transition to a new era.

Men Singles -- we have LCW in No. 2 spot (only LD can beat him consistently, BAO, CJ may sometimes raise the bar but definitely not all the time).

WCH and Hafiz are on the way out - until they are out, other players would not have the same opportunity (it is the chicken and egg story here - do they become good before they can get in or do they become good only after they have gained enough experience playing top players?)

Sadly my views here is nobody would get ahead any time soon if they don't get the chances to play internationally against top players. Even Chinese players waiting in the wings are not good when they are allowed to play once in a while. It is only when they have the chance to be playing frequently do they become good like BAO, CJ and CY).

When WCH and Hafiz walk, then players like Tan Choon Seang, Mohd Arif, and others would be asked to step up -- they would have the chance to pitch their skills against top players. Initially, they will feel nervous but over time, they might conquer.

Similarly, in the doubles, we have a few good pairs (CTF-LWW would retire and make way for more coming up to get their chances). The pressure is getting to KKK-TBH because they are now relied on to win every time. And more so, if the other players don't perform. Other pairs would improve as they go playing internationally to experience against top players who would obviously hold the 'awe' for them. Eventually, the time will come that these top players would fall away due to age and make way for younger players if our players train well and our program continues.

If there is a era coming to an end, there is also an era just about to take off. This is the way it is. In the meantime, we cannot stop the training of young and ambitious players who also want their share in the future. So be positive.

So does that mean our

ants

03-19-2008, 11:18 PM

At the sametime losing to the seniors does not mean that they can't perform well against the players from other countries.

Dato Asbullah

03-19-2008, 11:20 PM

FAM totally infested with opportunists and idiots.

I heard to FAM is take over by Kxxxxx Jxxxxxxxxx. Some more terrible...:crying:

badMania

03-19-2008, 11:43 PM

Sadly my views here is nobody would get ahead any time soon if they don't get the chances to play internationally against top players. Even Chinese players waiting in the wings are not good when they are allowed to play once in a while. It is only when they have the chance to be playing frequently do they become good like BAO, CJ and CY).

This is so very true! China MS players like Gong Weijie, hailed as a future star (he finished runners-up to Chen Jin in the World Juniors), simply could not bring the form in his junior days to his senior days and we can only see some good performances from him nowadays.

Similarly, WS players like Wang Yihan, Wang Lin, Zhu Jingjing (and sometimes Jiang Yanjiao) have not performed as consistenly as LYB want them to. For example: Wang Lin won one or two events a couple of years back, but, right now, we have yet to see her for quite some time.

eaglehelang

03-20-2008, 01:56 AM

:) At least we have hope in Squash and Bowling. :)

And Wushu, Karate next.

And it seems BC is getting popular too, the "...Downhill" thread getting a mention in Malay Mail over KKK's blog, time for Kwun to prepare for more "exposure" of the site.

george@chongwei

03-20-2008, 02:03 AM

jamesd20

03-20-2008, 02:07 AM

so eaglehelang, do u have the articles?
mayb u can post it here:cool:;)

Yes! If anyone has the clipping then please post a scan or translation of it here!

eaglehelang

03-20-2008, 03:06 AM

so eaglehelang, do u have the articles?
mayb u can post it here:cool:;)

It's not in the online version.

But while I'm at the site, TBH's views :

Malay Mail, 20 March 2008

BADMINTON : >All action, no talk
Stories by HARESH DEOL
TRAINING at Gymnasium 2 at Bukit Jalil was business as usual for most national shuttlers yesterday, but top doubles pair Koo Kien Keat-

Tan Boon Heong were not on talking terms.
The situation, however, is nothing new.

They have not been the best of friends for the past year.

And their failures at the All-England and Swiss Opens, plus the tongue lashing by coach Rexy Mainaky may have resulted in the two now avoiding each other.

Despite that, Boon Heong insists one thing will never change — their professionalism.

The Kedahan also admitted that he is still dependent on Kien Keat for success.

"I cannot be a world champion without Kien Keat," said Boon Heong, 21.

"I don't know how to express what is happening. This whole issue makes me sad and I've yet to discuss it with Kien Keat."

Boon Heong, who sparred with other players at training, revealed his falling out with Kien Keat happened during the Doha Asian Games in 2006.

That, however, did not stop them from smashing their way to the gold and then winning the Malaysia Open, All-England, Swiss Open, Philippines Open,

Macau Open and Denmark Open last year.

"This is not the first time that we're not on talking terms.

But I guess the current situation is the worst.

"The thing is, people didn't talk about our problem when we were winning.

"It became a big issue when we started losing, but I guess that's human nature.”

Boon Heong also chose to dismiss Rexy’s threat of dropping them from the Beijing Olympics, but warned anything could happen.

Rexy was reported to have said that he would decide on the pair's fate tomorrow.

However, that is highly unlikely as they have yet to meet BAM president Datuk Nadzmi Salleh and NSC director general Datuk Zolkples Embong.

The estranged world No 3 pair has caught the attention of the foreign media including Britain's Guardian, Indonesia's Kompas and Pakistan’s Daily

Times.

eaglehelang

03-20-2008, 03:16 AM

Yes! If anyone has the clipping then please post a scan or translation of it here!

James & George, you all really passionate about BC. Mention BC only, all excited, good also. I happen to buy Malay Mail today, it's not in the online version, I'll just type quotes from it :

Kien Keat denies online statement

National double ace KKK has denied issuing any statements in a popular badminton forum recently.
"I'm not Internet savvy, I just use it to check mails.: he said. "I've not made any statemtns online. I think I've said enough and there's nothing else to add,: Added KK, before asking about the content of the website.
The comment, posted by a regular member, (name), under the thread "KKK & TBH - Going downhill?", sees KK aledgedly pleading to his fans not to be judgemental & promising to inform them about the latest developments.

The comment, a form of reply to a "Mr/Miss anonymoous.' which has attacted 6,579 hits at press time, reads.... (quotes from the post, you all can read it in the thread)

KK apparently also 'owns a blog, in addition to a Friendster account created by a fan.

__________________________________________________ _____________

The reporter got read BC, ha ha but maybe dare not mention the forum name, but the moment I saw the thread name, already know. One thing they got wrong is the supposed reply from KKK was originally from his blog.

koo_fan

03-20-2008, 03:44 AM

Thanks sis eagle.i'll stop logging in that blog.

I think that is why he couldnt answer what is kkk's first international tournament.Who is kkk's first partner.
Gosh...

koo_fan

03-20-2008, 04:01 AM

The worse is football.
If this continues,badminton will be the 2nd.

In early 90s,when we start losing over n over again,what kind of reactions malaysians public gave?
Not suprising.just like us,malaysians in bc now.

Oldhand

03-20-2008, 04:13 AM

Kien Keat denies online statement

National double ace KKK has denied issuing any statements in a popular badminton forum recently.
"I'm not Internet savvy, I just use it to check mails.: he said. "I've not made any statemtns online. I think I've said enough and there's nothing else to add,: Added KK, before asking about the content of the website.
The comment, posted by a regular member, (name), under the thread "KKK & TBH - Going downhill?", sees KK aledgedly pleading to his fans not to be judgemental & promising to inform them about the latest developments.

The comment, a form of reply to a "Mr/Miss anonymoous.' which has attacted 6,579 hits at press time, reads.... (quotes from the post, you all can read it in the thread)

KK apparently also 'owns a blog, in addition to a Friendster account created by a fan.

__________________________________________________ _____________

The reporter got read BC, ha ha but maybe dare not mention the forum name, but the moment I saw the thread name, already know. One thing they got wrong is the supposed reply from KKK was originally from his blog.

So our koo_fan's post has made the rounds, huh? :p
(For the uninitiated, this is the one (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=825580&postcount=236).)

nmy3889

03-20-2008, 05:04 AM

James & George, you all really passionate about BC. Mention BC only, all excited, good also. I happen to buy Malay Mail today, it's not in the online version, I'll just type quotes from it :

Kien Keat denies online statement

National double ace KKK has denied issuing any statements in a popular badminton forum recently.
"I'm not Internet savvy, I just use it to check mails.: he said. "I've not made any statemtns online. I think I've said enough and there's nothing else to add,: Added KK, before asking about the content of the website.
The comment, posted by a regular member, (name), under the thread "KKK & TBH - Going downhill?", sees KK aledgedly pleading to his fans not to be judgemental & promising to inform them about the latest developments.

The comment, a form of reply to a "Mr/Miss anonymoous.' which has attacted 6,579 hits at press time, reads.... (quotes from the post, you all can read it in the thread)

KK apparently also 'owns a blog, in addition to a Friendster account created by a fan.

__________________________________________________ _____________

The reporter got read BC, ha ha but maybe dare not mention the forum name, but the moment I saw the thread name, already know. One thing they got wrong is the supposed reply from KKK was originally from his blog.

does that mean that the blog does not belong to kkk?? and kkk doesn't even know that this blog existed?? wow....the blog sounds convincing...

Dato Asbullah

03-20-2008, 07:36 AM

That's really ridiculos if it is true...

ants

03-20-2008, 10:33 AM

jamesd20

03-20-2008, 11:57 AM

It is actually KKK's Blog. But he is not the one that maintaining it. I know the person. The REAL KKK does give hi's and hello's once a while.. but very Seldom. So therefore i'm pretty sure that he didnt give that statement out in these problematic times he is having. He has already got alot of things in mind and i'm 100% sure that he don't have time to attend to the Blog.

So it is his blog, but he doesn't maintain it except for Hi's and Hello's.

What is the point of having a blog if you don't actually write it and do not know what is on it? The whole point of a blog is that people can read what you are doing and thinking. Basically this blog is what the person who maintains it is thinking.

I think he should sack whoever is maintaining it for causing him added stress and trouble or dissociate himself from it altogether.

kwun

03-20-2008, 12:11 PM

Like what i've mentioned here http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=825708#post825708 POST#239.

It is actually KKK's Blog. But he is not the one that maintaining it. I know the person. The REAL KKK does give hi's and hello's once a while.. but very Seldom. So therefore i'm pretty sure that he didnt give that statement out in these problematic times he is having. He has already got alot of things in mind and i'm 100% sure that he don't have time to attend to the Blog.

that arrangement is unfortunately rather broken. esp since the person who maintain and writes in it uses the name of KKK. this just sounds like a source of trouble and already trouble has been stirred up because of this.

ants

03-20-2008, 12:19 PM

He actually wanted to maintain his blog by giving some photos to the person to upload and also to post his views. But due to their schedules and activities, he is unable to do so. So the person is maintaining for him. Well he can't really fire that person. Its kinda complicated. But i think he might sound the person.

Oldhand

03-20-2008, 12:25 PM

"It's my blog but it's not mine" :eek:

It's not complicated at all.
Rather, it's a very convenient arrangment ;)

ants

03-20-2008, 12:45 PM

Its his blog.. but he doesnt maintain it.

wood_22_chuck

03-20-2008, 01:14 PM

"Maintaining" means to me that the imposter provides server space, hosts (pro bono or otherwise), monitors bandwidth, provide upgrades, downgrades where needed etc.

If the words are not KKK's, it's false pretenses or impostering.

You might know them, but mis-labeling what it is, errr, is disturbing. Good thing I would only admire KKK on the badminton court. His off-court persona is getting rather icky.

-dave

Pemuda

03-20-2008, 08:25 PM

And Wushu, Karate next.

And it seems BC is getting popular too, the "...Downhill" thread getting a mention in Malay Mail over KKK's blog, time for Kwun to prepare for more "exposure" of the site.

Wushu & Karate!! :eek: You really make me laugh.

If we aspire to be a major sporting nation in Asia, we should be looking at the major sports.

Shall we also include kite flying, five stones, top spinning, mahjong, horse racing, popiah and roti canai making into your wushu and karate list :p

george@chongwei

03-20-2008, 11:17 PM

BC is getting very popular now..;)
and our oldhand too!

george@chongwei

03-20-2008, 11:21 PM

maybe the press as stated in the articles is Dato Asbullah..??:confused::eek::eek:
who knows?:cool:

Oldhand

03-20-2008, 11:27 PM

If you didn't watch Koo Kien Keat & Tan Boon Heong Vs Mohd Fairuzizuan & Abdul Latif (Swiss Open 2008), you need to :)

It's not that the more celebrated pair didn't play well.
It's simply that the other pair played fabulously well ;)

azabaz_ipoh

03-21-2008, 01:18 AM

koo_fan

03-21-2008, 02:20 AM

"It's my blog but it's not mine" :eek:

It's not complicated at all.
Rather, it's a very convenient arrangment ;)
C'mon.How many beatles' signatures sent to fans are real and not fakes?

eaglehelang

03-21-2008, 03:53 AM

BC is getting very popular now..;)
and our oldhand too!

Errr, why you say Oldhand getting popular? Oldhand wasnt mentioned, neither was BC, but the thread.

Kwun can get more exposure for the site.

Aza, yes now msia MD are underdogs, Korea are the rising stars, he he he.;);)

Felicia_txh

03-21-2008, 04:53 AM

I have to agree that KKK/TBH is nowhere near the kind of performance that won them the 2007 AE.

the fuzzy pair played well but still proves to be very inconsistent.

the uncles are quite consistent but always have problem finishing. :)

malaysia have no MD that could seriously go for a medal, much less a gold, in beijing based on current performances.

so now we are the underdogs. :p
No gold medal..silver oso not bad..:p
I stil prefer KKK/TBH than Fairus/Zakry..I think KKK/TBH is the best combination among the players..but they let go the chance to become the top and consistent players in the world..Nobody can help them if they keep going downhill even God oso can't save them..:(

Dato Asbullah

03-21-2008, 05:10 AM

Koo and Tan under supervision. Their results in upcoming National GP and ABC Championship will decide whether they will be replace or not for participate in BEIJING OLYMPIC 2008.

That's what Rexy told in the press conference today.

At least they have chances to prove themselves. Go KKK/TBH..

Pemuda

03-21-2008, 05:11 AM

Jessica

03-21-2008, 05:14 AM

National GP??? Come on la. Lets have some standards or else we may as well include the Chow Kit Open as well!
What is Chow Kit Open???:confused::confused::rolleyes:

Dato Asbullah

03-21-2008, 05:35 AM

Pemuda, u mean that National GP no standard? ABC oso cap ayam championship?

jamesd20

03-21-2008, 05:44 AM

C'mon.How many beatles' signatures sent to fans are real and not fakes?

But these are still fakes - Just like this blog. Just because it happens somewhere else doen't mean it is right.

george@chongwei

03-21-2008, 06:43 AM

Errr, why you say Oldhand getting popular? Oldhand wasnt mentioned, neither was BC, but the thread.

Kwun can get more exposure for the site.

Aza, yes now msia MD are underdogs, Korea are the rising stars, he he he.;);)
a regular member = oldhand :eek::eek::eek::p

eaglehelang

03-21-2008, 07:59 AM

a regular member = oldhand :eek::eek::eek::p

Koo_fan's nick was quoted cos that post was from her but I didnt want to embarass her, so didnt type it but Oldhand mentioned in next post.

Pemuda

03-21-2008, 08:07 AM

Pemuda, u mean that National GP no standard? ABC oso cap ayam championship?

The national GP should not be used as a yardstick to gauge KKK/TBH as it is a local tourney. The ABC should be a better yardstick.

Dato Asbullah

03-21-2008, 08:18 AM

Pemuda

03-21-2008, 08:50 AM

Depends. I dont think National GP is not suitable as a platform to measure KKK/TBH's ability.

Dont look down on the local championships.

Maybe we just can suggest to Rexy or BAM to organise a friendly match, namely PEMUDA POWER CUP and invite top 8 pairs MD in the BWF Ranking.Then ppl will satisfied.....

Am not looking down on local championships. I am saying the National GP is not the right yardstick to measure KKK/TBH. Why so??? Because if we aspire to win that Olympic gold, and since the Olympic is gonna have top class shuttlers from China , Indonesia, England, Korea etc, we should measure ourselves against these big fishes.

As for your brilliant idea about that Power Cup, I think it is testimony to the prevailing Malaysia Boleh mentality that is so ingrained in so many of us Malaysians.

jamesd20

03-21-2008, 09:13 AM

samuel882

03-21-2008, 10:23 AM

I believe National GP is not the only yardstick for KKK/TBH. There is plenty of tournaments after that.
1. Asian Badminton Championship
2. Thomas Cup Final Round
3. Singapore SS
4. Indonesia SS
those 4 tournament will be held before the entries submitted for OG. However REXY did mention in press today that National GP & ABC will be their last chances to proove him wrong. If their perfomance never improve, Then it might be end of the road for this pair.

jamesd20

03-21-2008, 10:28 AM

When is the decision date at which the Entrants must formally be confirmed?

george@chongwei

03-21-2008, 11:00 AM

What is Chow Kit Open???:confused::confused::rolleyes:
how about sri petaling open?:p:p:rolleyes::p:D

samuel882

03-21-2008, 11:37 AM

When is the decision date at which the Entrants must formally be confirmed?
The Qualifying period for OG is based on WR on 1st May 2008
However , the
Deadline receive any official entry forms submitted by NOCs (National Olympics Councils from each federations) is July 23, 2008
IF Fairuzizuan/Latif still remain their postition inside #16 for WR by the 1st May 2008, which meant REXY is the one who will decide either them or Koo/Tan to represent MAS for OG. Coach/NOC will have their rights for an ultimate decision to pick which player/unit to Beijing.
In this case should explain even IF Chen Hong rank inside top 4, China probably won't select him for OG.

ants

03-21-2008, 11:43 AM

I think KKK/TBH will be going to Olympic after all.

Oldhand

03-21-2008, 11:59 AM

I think KKK/TBH will be going to Olympic after all.
...as spectators or players?
That question remains :)

ants

03-21-2008, 12:01 PM

...as spectators or players?
That question remains :)

As players of course.

eaglehelang

03-21-2008, 12:11 PM

I　Agree with permuda. With just 4.5 Months until OG, to think that entering a National Level tournament with be a good yardstick of Success in OG is wrong.

To give the pair a bit more confidence and get game time, maybe, but don't think lack of confidence is the factor here. It is an inherent problem between the two players.

It's not so much winning the titles/results per se, but working r/ship & attitudes, esp KKK. The National GP & ABC are the last 2 tourneys before end of OG qualifying. If Rexy still not 100% convinced one way or the other, he can extend the "probation period". ;)
Zakry/Fairuz looks set to be in top 16 by April 30, now they are no 11, so no problem, Rexy can take his time, make the opponents suspense a bit.

Dreamzz

03-21-2008, 01:04 PM

It's not so much winning the titles/results per se, but working r/ship & attitudes, esp KKK. The National GP & ABC are the last 2 tourneys before end of OG qualifying. If Rexy still not 100% convinced one way or the other, he can extend the "probation period". ;)
Zakry/Fairuz looks set to be in top 16 by April 30, now they are no 11, so no problem, Rexy can take his time, make the opponents suspense a bit.

ah, the problem is, i think the only pair the big guns have even the slightest concern about at the moment is CTF/LWW. zakry/tazari and KKK/TBH have not produced the necessary results to give the main contenders too much cause for concern.

yannie

03-21-2008, 05:01 PM

No way Rexy will replace KKK-TBH with Fairuz-Zakry for Olympics. Just wait and see.

ctjcad

03-21-2008, 05:41 PM

I think KKK/TBH will be going to Olympic after all.
...as spectators or players?That question remains :)
As players of course.
No way Rexy will replace KKK-TBH with Fairuz-Zakry for Olympics. Just wait and see.
..at least Rexy has kept a few/some of us, in BC, quite entertained these past few days, bantering back and forth over his criticisms of KKK and subsequent remarks on whether KKK & TBH will go to the OG or be replaced by their younger counterpart or not...:p ;)..Hmm, it's been a pretty slow-week, in BC, hasn't it??..:p ;)

jamesd20

03-21-2008, 05:57 PM

It's not so much winning the titles/results per se, but working r/ship & attitudes, esp KKK. The National GP & ABC are the last 2 tourneys before end of OG qualifying. If Rexy still not 100% convinced one way or the other, he can extend the "probation period". ;)
Zakry/Fairuz looks set to be in top 16 by April 30, now they are no 11, so no problem, Rexy can take his time, make the opponents suspense a bit.

As samuel said, the decision date is not until 23 July.

If KKK/TBH fail in the remaining 2 SS events and other events leading up until the OG, on what basis would he select KKK/TBH? He would be just as guilty of sticking to with the potentials as much as BAM are usually.

Rexys' Tactic does of course keep Fairuzz/Latif interested during this period as well.

kwun

03-21-2008, 06:04 PM

eaglehelang

03-21-2008, 08:27 PM

As samuel said, the decision date is not until 23 July.

If KKK/TBH fail in the remaining 2 SS events and other events leading up until the OG, on what basis would he select KKK/TBH? He would be just as guilty of sticking to with the potentials as much as BAM are usually.

Rexys' Tactic does of course keep Fairuzz/Latif interested during this period as well.

That's why I said Rexy can take his time, until the deadline, ;).
When this story broke, Indonesia's Kompass featured it, which normally they dont, it is said Indonesia are excited cos KKK/TBH are Kido/Setiawan's bogeymen. This way,the opponents will be kept guessing too.

Ha ha, your 2nd paragraph were pretty much along the lines of what Rexy said in NST & The Star - "He(Rexy) also stressed the pair would not be axed from the Olympics unless they suffer a massive drop in form."
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/Sport/2192713/Article/index_html

http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2008/3/22/sports/20724063&sec=sports

Fuzzy were originally supposed to be reserve pair in case uncles get injured.
Their main aim of doing well in AE & SO was to gain the 3rd MD spot for TC finals in May.

The drama part concluded in a bit of anti-climax much like the last 2 dramas.

Pemuda

03-21-2008, 08:47 PM

It's not so much winning the titles/results per se, but working r/ship & attitudes, esp KKK. The National GP & ABC are the last 2 tourneys before end of OG qualifying. If Rexy still not 100% convinced one way or the other, he can extend the "probation period". ;)
Zakry/Fairuz looks set to be in top 16 by April 30, now they are no 11, so no problem, Rexy can take his time, make the opponents suspense a bit.

If we wanna test KKK/TBH working r/ship & attitudes, lets test it at some more challenging tourneys. The National GP is a picnic la. At least this way, we get a honest assessment.

Pemuda

03-21-2008, 08:51 PM

As players of course.

They can be both, players and tourists.

Go to Beijing, put on their badminton gear, get thrown out in the 1st round, head for a quick shower, catch the 12pm Great Wall of China tour and then head back to the hotel for some great clubbing action later on! :D

azabaz_ipoh

03-21-2008, 09:12 PM

Pemuda

03-21-2008, 09:20 PM

maybe the GP is the real test in a sense that, if they failed to win a supposedly easy tourney, then their level has really really dropped and that would be the massive drop in form that rexy was thinking about. and thus, they just might be axed.

If they cant even win that National GP then not only their level has really really dropped, they should convert to playing women's doubles instead.

wood_22_chuck

03-21-2008, 09:24 PM

Jessica

03-21-2008, 10:01 PM

Hmm..Then i really looking forward for the coming ABC...Hope all the top players will participate..

azabaz_ipoh

03-21-2008, 10:15 PM

If they cant even win that National GP then not only their level has really really dropped, they should convert to playing women's doubles instead.

hahahahaha :D imagine KKK/TBH in those tight body hugging shirts the girls are a wearing nowadays.

on to serious matter. if they lose, they really should be axed. at least no olympics until they can show that they are committed and determined to give their best again. :cool:

wilfredlgf

03-21-2008, 11:46 PM

on to serious matter. if they lose, they really should be axed. at least no olympics until they can show that they are committed and determined to give their best again. :cool:Harsh as that sounds, I agree though.

Felicia_txh

03-22-2008, 12:59 AM

Rexy change the target from gold medal to silver medal in OG..:)

eaglehelang

03-22-2008, 03:19 AM

If we wanna test KKK/TBH working r/ship & attitudes, lets test it at some more challenging tourneys. The National GP is a picnic la. At least this way, we get a honest assessment.

Well.... Rexy was the one who mentioned National GP and ABC to the Chinese press, since these are the only 2 tourneys left on the schedule before April 30. It's too late for KKK/TBH to enter India Open, deadline over.

Of course-lah Rexy knows better what type of tourneys they are, it's not for us to assess, but Rexy -> he would have his reasons in including the National GP. Picnic as it may look, the uncles CTF/LWW will be there, uncles who have overtaken them in rankings & beaten them before a couple of times.
The ABC will have many top players since it's the last tourney for OG qualifying points.

Perhaps some have read too much into Rexy's statement on National GP & ABC.

Other than that, there's still TC finals, Spore & Indonesia SS before the July OG entry deadline, Rexy can hold off till then to decide.

wilfredlgf

03-22-2008, 03:54 AM

Well now, where did I go wrong about the over-analysing and over-complicating matters?

Pemuda

03-22-2008, 06:43 AM

Well.... Rexy was the one who mentioned National GP and ABC to the Chinese press, since these are the only 2 tourneys left on the schedule before April 30. It's too late for KKK/TBH to enter India Open, deadline over.

Of course-lah Rexy knows better what type of tourneys they are, it's not for us to assess, but Rexy -> he would have his reasons in including the National GP. Picnic as it may look, the uncles CTF/LWW will be there, uncles who have overtaken them in rankings & beaten them before a couple of times.
The ABC will have many top players since it's the last tourney for OG qualifying points.

Perhaps some have read too much into Rexy's statement on National GP & ABC.

Other than that, there's still TC finals, Spore & Indonesia SS before the July OG entry deadline, Rexy can hold off till then to decide.

And in the run up to the Olympics in Beijing, you think playing against the 'uncles' will be sufficient?? :rolleyes:

Great Malaysia Boleh rationale.

Pemuda

03-22-2008, 06:44 AM

eaglehelang

03-22-2008, 07:04 AM

Well now, where did I go wrong about the over-analysing and over-complicating matters?

LOL, Wilfred, that's a good one.

And in the run up to the Olympics in Beijing, you think playing against the 'uncles' will be sufficient?? :rolleyes:

Great Malaysia Boleh rationale.

Kah kah, I didnt say that, and "National GP & ABC" thingy wasnt mentioned in the English or Malay press. Just wait & see what Rexy says next week - if they lose to uncles, I would like to see too if my interpretation of his statements are correct.

It's obvious that the uncles have been more consistent & are in better form Jan to March this year. If it's any other pair, in the prediction thread, ppl would have concluded the 'uncles' to win the local one, since their juniors have been doing badly by crashing out 1st or 2nd round (tsk tsk tsk).

Pemuda

03-22-2008, 07:54 AM

LOL, Wilfred, that's a good one.

Kah kah, I didnt say that, and "National GP & ABC" thingy wasnt mentioned in the English or Malay press. Just wait & see what Rexy says next week - if they lose to uncles, I would like to see too if my interpretation of his statements are correct.

It's obvious that the uncles have been more consistent & are in better form Jan to March this year. If it's any other pair, in the prediction thread, ppl would have concluded the 'uncles' to win the local one, since their juniors have been doing badly by crashing out 1st or 2nd round (tsk tsk tsk).

Well, let me refresh your memory, here's your statement ; "Picnic as it may look, the uncles CTF/LWW will be there, uncles who have overtaken them in rankings & beaten them before a couple of times."

It is comical to use the National GP with the so-called uncles etc as the yardstick in the run up to Beijing.

eaglehelang

03-22-2008, 08:40 AM

Well, let me refresh your memory, here's your statement ; "Picnic as it may look, the uncles CTF/LWW will be there, uncles who have overtaken them in rankings & beaten them before a couple of times."

It is comical to use the National GP with the so-called uncles etc as the yardstick in the run up to Beijing.

True mah, the uncles really overtake them in ranking, more consistent this year, beat them bf in International tourney. Many observers also said in-form Uncles also almost beat the in-form KKK/TBH in Macau Open 2007.
So, if it any other pairs, based on current form/head to head & all that, young cikus vs crafty uncles, fans would have pawed/betted on the uncles.

I didnt use it as "the yardstick in the run-up to Beijing" :D. Rexy was the one who mentioned it or rather he mentioned both National GP & ABC, if it's comical, then Rexy is comical. Perhaps we wait & see what Rexy says end of next wk.

Rexy has till July to make final decision, he can take his time.

Pemuda

03-22-2008, 09:51 AM

True mah, the uncles really overtake them in ranking, more consistent this year, beat them bf in International tourney. Many observers also said in-form Uncles also almost beat the in-form KKK/TBH in Macau Open 2007.
So, if it any other pairs, based on current form/head to head & all that, young cikus vs crafty uncles, fans would have pawed/betted on the uncles.

I didnt use it as "the yardstick in the run-up to Beijing" :D. Rexy was the one who mentioned it or rather he mentioned both National GP & ABC, if it's comical, then Rexy is comical. Perhaps we wait & see what Rexy says end of next wk.

Rexy has till July to make final decision, he can take his time.

If you didnt use the uncles as yardstick , then why issue following statement ; "Picnic as it may look, the uncles CTF/LWW will be there, uncles who have overtaken them in rankings & beaten them before a couple of times." :rolleyes:

No, Rexy did not say with em' 'uncles' also taking part in the National GP, they will give KKK/TBH a good test. Dont try to twist things la.

eaglehelang

03-22-2008, 11:11 AM

If you didnt use the uncles as yardstick , then why issue following statement ; "Picnic as it may look, the uncles CTF/LWW will be there, uncles who have overtaken them in rankings & beaten them before a couple of times." :rolleyes:

No, Rexy did not say with em' 'uncles' also taking part in the National GP, they will give KKK/TBH a good test. Dont try to twist things la.

<Sigh> I didnt say National GP, "yardstick as run-up to Beijing" or uncles are the yardstick for OG run-up per se, I didnt twist mah, read the earlier posts.

Rexy mentioned National GP & ABC to Sin Chew as tourneys to monitor KKK/TBH's progress, it's supposed to be KKK/TBH last 2 chances -> it's seen as Rexy using the 2 tourneys to observe KKK/TBH performance & decide -> seen as rexy also using National GP as one of the basis to decide-> some said National GP shouldnt be used, etc,etc -> others started saying KKK/TBH must win National GP or else. + the fact NST quoted Rexy telling he will finalise the pairs after ABC tourney in April.

That's what I meant when i said some read too much into Rexy's statement.

I said the "working relationship & attitudes" part in reply to James20, you mis-interpret the meaning. Rexy has a certain "trend" of doing things, I'll see next week if my interpretation of the "trend" is correct-loh.

koo_fan

03-22-2008, 10:44 PM

Well now, where did I go wrong about the over-analysing and over-complicating matters?
I've asked u for the second time.
Can i be ur ally on this issue?

aza-pemuda-eagle.
Triangle love?C'mon.Got excited already.

koo_fan

03-22-2008, 11:11 PM

I've asked u for the second time.
Can i be ur ally on this issue?

aza-pemuda-eagle.
Triangle love?C'mon.Got excited already.
After a second thought.
Just a joke.Dont take it into heart.

Go on.Im a mess here.

koo_fan

03-22-2008, 11:33 PM

No way Rexy will replace KKK-TBH with Fairuz-Zakry for Olympics. Just wait and see.
Thats a strong possibility too.

Hard to say this.But that fairuz commit himself to a game more than kkk lately.
Kkk need to figure out something and be a good brother to tbh again.

koo_fan

03-22-2008, 11:41 PM

Koo_fan's nick was quoted cos that post was from her but I didnt want to embarass her, so didnt type it but Oldhand mentioned in next post.
So,now kkk will think his fan named 'koo_fan' is someone who really like to cook up stories about him,isnt he?
I need to change my nickname.Dont u think?

pjswift

03-23-2008, 01:28 AM

Pemuda, if I ever get to Malaysia please let's go out for a beer or something, because everytime I read your posts, I have to pick myself off the floor from laughing so hard.

Teh-tarik is okay too, if beer's not your thing.

-dave
You can't be a Malaysian or MAS fan because if you are, his posts are more like sick humour. It's ridicule after ridicule after ridicule against Team MAS that have played honestly and not use any of their many match-fixing opportunities;work hard and have made breakthrough progress despite being saddled by seemingly senseless superiors.Progress of the type like 'climb up 3 steps but fall down 2 steps'.Eventually they'll get there, provided their coaches don't panic and transfer their unhealthy nervousness to the players.
But you know what? Whenever MAS bounce up 3 steps, this chap either disappears or comes in to pour cold water on a deserving,sizzling celebration.But when MAS trip down 2 steps, this chap gets into his element to celebrate his "cleverness' in a 'I told you so' manner.
Are you aware that BAM owe LCW and KKK/TBH much money because it came out with an incentive scheme that was not expected to be exceeded? It tells you just how much BAM underestimated its players' competitiveness or that BAM is simply Bad At Maths.

Oldhand

03-23-2008, 02:50 AM

As said elsewhere, please stick to issues.
No duels and no free-for-alls please :)

george@chongwei

03-23-2008, 03:19 AM

As said elsewhere, please stick to issues.
No duels and no free-for-alls please :)
poor oldhand, had to close many threads,:p;):(:crying::D

Pemuda

03-23-2008, 07:44 PM

<Sigh> I didnt say National GP, "yardstick as run-up to Beijing" or uncles are the yardstick for OG run-up per se, I didnt twist mah, read the earlier posts.

Rexy mentioned National GP & ABC to Sin Chew as tourneys to monitor KKK/TBH's progress, it's supposed to be KKK/TBH last 2 chances -> it's seen as Rexy using the 2 tourneys to observe KKK/TBH performance & decide -> seen as rexy also using National GP as one of the basis to decide-> some said National GP shouldnt be used, etc,etc -> others started saying KKK/TBH must win National GP or else. + the fact NST quoted Rexy telling he will finalise the pairs after ABC tourney in April.

That's what I meant when i said some read too much into Rexy's statement.

I said the "working relationship & attitudes" part in reply to James20, you mis-interpret the meaning. Rexy has a certain "trend" of doing things, I'll see next week if my interpretation of the "trend" is correct-loh.

My dear, your statement; "Picnic as it may look, the uncles CTF/LWW will be there, uncles who have overtaken them in rankings & beaten them before a couple of times."

Have a slow read of what you wrote. If you are now not saying the National GP is no yardstick, are you now spinning it that the National GP is aint no picnic cos' em 'uncles' will be competing???

I am not talking about what Rexy or what others are saying. I am just asking you to explain your statement. You, however are going all over the place.

eaglehelang

03-24-2008, 05:56 AM

My dear, your statement; "Picnic as it may look, the uncles CTF/LWW will be there, uncles who have overtaken them in rankings & beaten them before a couple of times."

Have a slow read of what you wrote. If you are now not saying the National GP is no yardstick, are you now spinning it that the National GP is aint no picnic cos' em 'uncles' will be competing???

I am not talking about what Rexy or what others are saying. I am just asking you to explain your statement. You, however are going all over the place.

Aiyooo, it's very clear, already say 2X, your pretend cannot catch or what?
National GP is National GP, a local tourney, that's it, not yardstick for OG per se. Everybody was interpreting Rexy's statement in Sin CHew about National GP & ABC thingy, some agree, some dont agree, etc, etc.
I dont think the tourney itself is picnic as in super duper easy, the in form uncles are there, not as easy as LCW would have it (WCH, Hafiz, LTS not there, they preparing for India Open early April mah).

If it's let's say JE/ML vs Boe/Morgenson in in a local Denmark tourney called hmmm "Copenhagen Minors", Boe/Morgenson is off-form, doing badly whereas the oldies JE/ML reaching QF or Semis, just looking at the tourney itself, most of us would have predicted the oldies to win the local MD title & it would have been perfectly logical.

Your 1st reply was to my interpretation of Rexy's press statement(& that wasnt even replying to you but james20), which your misunderstood. Read your own reply :
"If we wanna test KKK/TBH working r/ship & attitudes, lets test it at some more challenging tourneys. The National GP is a picnic la. At least this way, we get a honest assessment."

In effect, if you saying that National GP is picnic, or comical or whatever term you want to use, is tantamount to questioning Rexy in using the National GP as one of the tourneys for him to "monitor KKK/TBH progress" and decide whether to include them in OG.

Pemuda

03-24-2008, 09:37 PM

Aiyooo, it's very clear, already say 2X, your pretend cannot catch or what?
National GP is National GP, a local tourney, that's it, not yardstick for OG per se. Everybody was interpreting Rexy's statement in Sin CHew about National GP & ABC thingy, some agree, some dont agree, etc, etc.
I dont think the tourney itself is picnic as in super duper easy, the in form uncles are there, not as easy as LCW would have it (WCH, Hafiz, LTS not there, they preparing for India Open early April mah).

If it's let's say JE/ML vs Boe/Morgenson in in a local Denmark tourney called hmmm "Copenhagen Minors", Boe/Morgenson is off-form, doing badly whereas the oldies JE/ML reaching QF or Semis, just looking at the tourney itself, most of us would have predicted the oldies to win the local MD title & it would have been perfectly logical.

Your 1st reply was to my interpretation of Rexy's press statement(& that wasnt even replying to you but james20), which your misunderstood. Read your own reply :
"If we wanna test KKK/TBH working r/ship & attitudes, lets test it at some more challenging tourneys. The National GP is a picnic la. At least this way, we get a honest assessment."

In effect, if you saying that National GP is picnic, or comical or whatever term you want to use, is tantamount to questioning Rexy in using the National GP as one of the tourneys for him to "monitor KKK/TBH progress" and decide whether to include them in OG.

I stand by what I said. The National GP will not be an honest assessment for KKK/TBH in the run up to Beijing. You dont gauge yourself with local competition if you are targeting the Olympics. It is as simple as that. How you are unable to understand this simple elementary logic is mind boggling.

As for your statement; "Picnic as it may look, the uncles CTF/LWW will be there, uncles who have overtaken them in rankings & beaten them before a couple of times" , let me put it to you, CTF/LWW despite them beating KKK/TBH 'a couple of times' before are not, and I repeat ARE NOT the yardstick to measure/gauge KKK/TBH. If we aspire to win that gold, we need to test ourselves with the big boys out there. However, if we wanna indulge in the 'syiok sendiri' syndrome, then by all means test ourselves locally.

ants

03-24-2008, 10:44 PM

Oldhand

03-24-2008, 10:57 PM

I agree with Pemuda on this. Local tournament is not a measure of their true potential. However it will be a test for them as well as the jrs. I will not know if the seniors will take the National GP seriously or not. But i'm sure they would want to win as well. Their playing performance in this tournament will be 60%-70% of what they play in SS.

In essence, are you saying the national champion's title holds no value in Malaysia? :eek:

azabaz_ipoh

03-24-2008, 11:16 PM

i think the local tournaments are more for the benefit of the juniors. a place for the juniors to gauge themselves against the best players in malaysia.

jamesd20

03-25-2008, 12:21 AM

I agree that National Championships can not be a true measure of players form.

At international level players are judged by their ability to beat other international players. KKK/TBH are useless if they can beat CTF/LWW 21-4 21-4 but lose to a pair from for example South Africa.

Some players can play well against their compatriots but fail against others. I am not saying that this is the case with any of the MAS players however.

As for the "value" I would say there is value from an achievement & National pride point of view, but is there value from the aim of winning OG Medal point of view?

ants

03-25-2008, 12:36 AM

National GP is good for the younger players so they can know where is their standard among the seniors. For the seniors.. it might be just a HARD Sparring session with the juniors. The only thing that might keep them competitive is that " We are the seniors.. don't mess with us". More of an Ego thing.. in a good sense.

Oldhand

03-25-2008, 12:56 AM

KKK/TBH are useless if they can beat CTF/LWW 21-4 21-4...
On current form, the reverse is more likely :p
As for the "value" I would say there is value from an achievement & National pride point of view, but is there value from the aim of winning OG Medal point of view?
I can't see how Malaysia's badminton powers can link this 'mate-meet-mate' event to any decisive war-plan for the 2008 Olympics.

In another sense, this national meet is a win-win situation for Rexy.

This might turn out to be the saving grace - a sort of face-saving event for both Rexy and the troubled doubles pair of Koo Kien Keat & Tan Boon Heong.

However, should KKK and TBH again show poor form and fail to wrap up the title without too much of a sweat, Rexy would be justified to call for their heads to roll.

Talk about pressure ;)

koo_fan

03-25-2008, 06:03 AM

I think what BAm and rexy are trying to say is national grand prix is an indicatior for rexy to measure their performance.

Not an indicator of winning olympic but in their own coach's view,does the double have what it takes to compete in beijing?More to rexy's experiment.

eaglehelang

03-25-2008, 07:03 AM

I stand by what I said. The National GP will not be an honest assessment for KKK/TBH in the run up to Beijing. You dont gauge yourself with local competition if you are targeting the Olympics. It is as simple as that. How you are unable to understand this simple elementary logic is mind boggling.

As for your statement; "Picnic as it may look, the uncles CTF/LWW will be there, uncles who have overtaken them in rankings & beaten them before a couple of times" , let me put it to you, CTF/LWW despite them beating KKK/TBH 'a couple of times' before are not, and I repeat ARE NOT the yardstick to measure/gauge KKK/TBH. If we aspire to win that gold, we need to test ourselves with the big boys out there. However, if we wanna indulge in the 'syiok sendiri' syndrome, then by all means test ourselves locally.

Hiyaaa, once again, you misunderstood my meaning, in which in my original reply to James20 I already indirectly say. Say indirect, cannot catch, say direct, also cannot catch.

I already stated my view, it's a local tourney, that's it, I dont see it as whatever yardstick for OG but as a stand alone tourney.

That's why I was wondering why there's discussion whether should or should not use National GP thingy cos I think (and already said 2X) some of us read too much into Rexy's press statement to Sin Chew about the "monitoring progress" thingy, sessssh. By saying it should not be used or correct assessment & all, it also means reading too much into Rexy's statement.

Rexy mention "National GP & ABC" to one press, you all start jumping already on the National GP, hiyaaa. Rexy using it as one of the last remaining tourney "monitor progress" before April 30 could mean many things.

I interpret Rexy's statements differently than some of us here had, I will know end of the week if my interpretation is correct.

Ha ha, I didnt say uncles are yardstick to measure KKK/TBH Internationally per se & it's connection to OG, etc. You all connect it direct to OG, therefore you misunderstood that I also connect it that way.

If they lose to uncles, fine, if they manage to win, also no big deal to me. But I wouldnt say it's a breeze or walk in the park to beat the oldies or along those lines cos that would be discounting the uncles abilities & experience. The uncles can read KKK/TBH's game pretty well, they know how to counter. They had tough fight in Macau Open 2007 finals, saying National GP in MD section is "picnic", I interpret it as saying playing against CTF/LWW is super duper easy game. I would give our uncles better credit than that. :D;)

eaglehelang

03-25-2008, 07:39 AM

At international level players are judged by their ability to beat other international players. KKK/TBH are useless if they can beat CTF/LWW 21-4 21-4 but lose to a pair from for example South Africa.

Some players can play well against their compatriots but fail against others. I am not saying that this is the case with any of the MAS players however.

As for the "value" I would say there is value from an achievement & National pride point of view, but is there value from the aim of winning OG Medal point of view?

Quite the reverse for KKK/TBH, they have "not playing well against team mates" syndrome (at least against uncles & fuzzy) but better against other countries, hence it's oft said they depend to much on Rexy/ coaches. Coaches are not there when it's Msia vs Msia. Nowdays, they also have other syndrome like losing to "lower ranked pairs" syndrome, etc.

Hence also Oldhand's assessment that CTF/LWW might trash KKK/TBH in the local tourney not the other way round. Watch Macau Open 2007 Finals between the 2 pairs & make your own judgement.

"Value" part - he he he, wait till end of the week, see what the coaches comment. ;)Perhaps, some have read too much into Rexy's statement to Sin Chew.

Pemuda

03-25-2008, 11:05 PM

Hiyaaa, once again, you misunderstood my meaning, in which in my original reply to James20 I already indirectly say. Say indirect, cannot catch, say direct, also cannot catch.

I already stated my view, it's a local tourney, that's it, I dont see it as whatever yardstick for OG but as a stand alone tourney.

That's why I was wondering why there's discussion whether should or should not use National GP thingy cos I think (and already said 2X) some of us read too much into Rexy's press statement to Sin Chew about the "monitoring progress" thingy, sessssh. By saying it should not be used or correct assessment & all, it also means reading too much into Rexy's statement.

Rexy mention "National GP & ABC" to one press, you all start jumping already on the National GP, hiyaaa. Rexy using it as one of the last remaining tourney "monitor progress" before April 30 could mean many things.

I interpret Rexy's statements differently than some of us here had, I will know end of the week if my interpretation is correct.

Ha ha, I didnt say uncles are yardstick to measure KKK/TBH Internationally per se & it's connection to OG, etc. You all connect it direct to OG, therefore you misunderstood that I also connect it that way.

If they lose to uncles, fine, if they manage to win, also no big deal to me. But I wouldnt say it's a breeze or walk in the park to beat the oldies or along those lines cos that would be discounting the uncles abilities & experience. The uncles can read KKK/TBH's game pretty well, they know how to counter. They had tough fight in Macau Open 2007 finals, saying National GP in MD section is "picnic", I interpret it as saying playing against CTF/LWW is super duper easy game. I would give our uncles better credit than that. :D;)

Hello , I am just asking you to clarify your statement ; "Picnic as it may look, the uncles CTF/LWW will be there, uncles who have overtaken them in rankings & beaten them before a couple of times". Why are you going all over the place talking about Rexy etc etc?:o

From your statement, I take it that you are saying that the National GP is no picnic due to the uncles being there. So, ok!! No need for you to go all over the place. :rolleyes:

Dato Asbullah

03-25-2008, 11:06 PM

If they cant even win that National GP then not only their level has really really dropped, they should convert to playing women's doubles instead.

R u anti KKK/TBH or all the rest of MAS badminton players? There is no 100% guaranteed things in this world. Invite CY/FHF and play in National GP, do u think they will sure be champion?

Once again, please dont look down on National Championships.

badMania

03-25-2008, 11:09 PM

I can GUARANTEE that all the events will be swept by Malaysian players :o:p:D!!!

Pemuda

03-25-2008, 11:16 PM

R u anti KKK/TBH or all the rest of MAS badminton players? There is no 100% guaranteed things in this world. Invite CY/FHF and play in National GP, do u think they will sure be champion?

Once again, please dont look down on National Championships.

I believed I have stated my stand before and I dont think I need to repeat it again. You may refer to my previous postings.

Of course, nothing is 100% guaranteed in this world. But if one honestly put in the hard work, the chances of one attaining success is definitely higher. Agree??

Dont jump the gun, am not looking down at the National GP. BUT if we aspire to win that Olympic gold, we need to test ourselves with the big fishes in the INTERNATIONAL CIRCUIT. Fyi, let me give you a recent live example, LCW, the lad said he was tired, exhausted and all after the AE & SO and wanna give the ABC a skip. Well, if he is tired, runout and all, why is he now in Kedah playing in the National GP while the ABC is next month???? Do the maths, am sure you find it odd, sir.

At the end of the day, it boils down to what we want. If we want to continue with this subsidy mentality then by all means continue with the current mentality and all. But if we want to be up there as a badminton powerhouse, then lets re-examined ourselves.

Dato Asbullah

03-25-2008, 11:25 PM

Then Rexy must be doing a silly mistakes by putting KKK/TBH in NGP and not India Open. rite?

azabaz_ipoh

03-25-2008, 11:54 PM

I believed I have stated my stand before and I dont think I need to repeat it again. You may refer to my previous postings.

Of course, nothing is 100% guaranteed in this world. But if one honestly put in the hard work, the chances of one attaining success is definitely higher. Agree??

Dont jump the gun, am not looking down at the National GP. BUT if we aspire to win that Olympic gold, we need to test ourselves with the big fishes in the INTERNATIONAL CIRCUIT. Fyi, let me give you a recent live example, LCW, the lad said he was tired, exhausted and all after the AE & SO and wanna give the ABC a skip. Well, if he is tired, runout and all, why is he now in Kedah playing in the National GP while the ABC is next month???? Do the maths, am sure you find it odd, sir.

At the end of the day, it boils down to what we want. If we want to continue with this subsidy mentality then by all means continue with the current mentality and all. But if we want to be up there as a badminton powerhouse, then lets re-examined ourselves.

in my opinion, nobody is thinking that the national GP is the benchmark to whether we can win the OG. i think rexy is just using the GP to see how KKK/TBH will fare against juniors. seeing that KKK/TBH are nowhere near their top form, i think rexy wants to see if they are even below the juniors. and if that is the case, he will make a decision based on that. i think what he is looking to evaluate is how much they have gained back their ability to play together again and communicate again and be a team again. it is not whether they are good enough to win the OG, it is whether they are good enough to compete with the best. to see whether they can put in the honest hard work. :)

the bolded part, i think playing the GP is like a sparring session for LCW, where he does not have to play his top game. it is more for the juniors to see what their level are against the no 1 in malaysia. playing the ABC needs more than that. if he intends to just play 50%, it is better he does not play at all. and if he plays 100%, he will need a lot of energy. i think that is the difference between the national GP and the ABC. playing in the National GP is just a way for LCW to help the juniors. give something back to the game. :D

Oldhand

03-26-2008, 12:01 AM

Then Rexy must be doing a silly mistakes by putting KKK/TBH in NGP and not India Open. rite?
KKK-TBH's current form is nowhere near that of LCW's.
Lee Chong Wei's reasons for readjusting his schedule are likely to be very different.

Playing in the nationals before again venturing abroad might just be the prudent thing for Koo Kien Keat & Tan Boon Heong to do.

After all, it'd be hugely embarrassing for all involved (the players, the fans, the coach and the country) if they were to get steamrolled again by some cobbled-together foreign pair at an international event.

Better to be safe than (repeatedly) sorry ;)

Oldhand

03-26-2008, 12:12 AM

in my opinion, nobody is thinking that the national GP is the benchmark to whether we can win the OG. i think rexy is just using the GP to see how KKK/TBH will fare against juniors. seeing that KKK/TBH are nowhere near their top form, i think rexy wants to see if they are even below the juniors. and if that is the case, he will make a decision based on that. i think what he is looking to evaluate is how much they have gained back their ability to play together again and communicate again and be a team again. it is not whether they are good enough to win the OG, it is whether they are good enough to compete with the best. to see whether they can put in the honest hard work. :)

Have to agree with you on the 'evaluation' part, azabaz :)

the bolded part, i think playing the GP is like a sparring session for LCW, where he does not have to play his top game. it is more for the juniors to see what their level are against the no 1 in malaysia. playing the ABC needs more than that. if he intends to just play 50%, it is better he does not play at all. and if he plays 100%, he will need a lot of energy. i think that is the difference between the national GP and the ABC. playing in the National GP is just a way for LCW to help the juniors. give something back to the game. :D

Quite a weak argument, this one :cool:
You make playing the nationals sound like some sort of gold-lined magnanimous gesture on Lee Chong Wei's part!
Of course, that's hardly it :p

If he is dying to help the juniors, he doesn't need to knock them silly in a public tournament... he could just invite them over to the training centre and spar with them all day long. Now, that would be truly generous!

In my view, Lee Chong Wei is playing in the nationals because it is the top national event. It means a great deal to any sportsperson to be the best in his own land. It's not enough that people acknowledge that he has the ability to be king and remain king... he must also defend it.

If you scuttle the generosity angle, you'd retain a good reason for LCW deciding to play in the nationals but skip the Asian Badminton Championships ;)

Pemuda

03-26-2008, 12:41 AM

Then Rexy must be doing a silly mistakes by putting KKK/TBH in NGP and not India Open. rite?

Whether it is a silly mistake or not, I guess time will tell. And come Beijing, we will find out.

That being said, the NGP is still not the place to test our shuttlers in the run up to Beijing.

Pemuda

03-26-2008, 12:51 AM

in my opinion, nobody is thinking that the national GP is the benchmark to whether we can win the OG. i think rexy is just using the GP to see how KKK/TBH will fare against juniors. seeing that KKK/TBH are nowhere near their top form, i think rexy wants to see if they are even below the juniors. and if that is the case, he will make a decision based on that. i think what he is looking to evaluate is how much they have gained back their ability to play together again and communicate again and be a team again. it is not whether they are good enough to win the OG, it is whether they are good enough to compete with the best. to see whether they can put in the honest hard work. :)

the bolded part, i think playing the GP is like a sparring session for LCW, where he does not have to play his top game. it is more for the juniors to see what their level are against the no 1 in malaysia. playing the ABC needs more than that. if he intends to just play 50%, it is better he does not play at all. and if he plays 100%, he will need a lot of energy. i think that is the difference between the national GP and the ABC. playing in the National GP is just a way for LCW to help the juniors. give something back to the game. :D

I still stand by that the NGP is not the place to test in view of Beijing. But I guess after KKK/TBH's recent beatings, maybe there is some sense to give this pair a 'break' thus the NGP. And I hope they dont get beaten by some junior pair because it will only make things go from bad to worse. So, lets hope they can come out of this NGP as winners and not get scalped by some juniors.

As for LCW, if the lad wanna give something back to the game, he can always put in some time with the juniors during trainning, not nescessary the NGP. To show up at the NGP and play at 50% is more than a slap in the face to the NGP and the juniors.

azabaz_ipoh

03-26-2008, 12:55 AM

Quite a weak argument, this one :cool:
You make playing the nationals sound like some sort of gold-lined magnanimous gesture on Lee Chong Wei's part!
Of course, that's hardly it :p

If he is dying to help the juniors, he doesn't need to knock them silly in a public tournament... he could just invite them over to the training centre and spar with them all day long. Now, that would be truly generous!

In my view, Lee Chong Wei is playing in the nationals because it is the top national event. It means a great deal to any sportsperson to be the best in his own land. It's not enough that people acknowledge that he has the ability to be king and remain king... he must also defend it.

If you scuttle the generosity angle, you'd retain a good reason for LCW deciding to play in the nationals but skip the Asian Badminton Championships ;)

i dont see LCW as the kind of person who needs to be king. :) maybe he is in real life, but i just dont see it. and i dont think you could know that for sure too. :)

he is not trying to knock them silly in a competition but to help them gain experience playing in a tournament environment against someone who is a level above you. gauge where they are at. can the juniors make him sweat a little. :) he could not spar with them constantly because if he did that, his form will drop. and we all know playing with players below your level will in turn drag you level down. he needs quality sparring to keep his game in tip top shape. playing with juniors are not the way. and this is not a silly public tournament. this is where the junior and the senior come together. play each other. learn something from each other. build up team spirit. get to know each other better since they train at different venues. this is like a bridge for the juniors and the seniors in my humble opinion. i think even the indonesia, china and korea does this.

i dont think LCW is very proud that he could defeat his juniors in the national GP. who would be proud of that? so the "i want to be king" is kinda a moot point. no malaysian is gonna say that he is the best in the world because he beat juniors. :p

his reason for wanting to skip ABC was because he is tired. and if you read again my post, you can see that i was relating that with the reason he is playing the National GP and not the ABC. playing National GP will not need too much energy. he is, after all, playing juniors. with just 50% or 60% effort, he could still beat the juniors. and the juniors will still be challenged enough. playing ABC however will not be so easy. he will have tougher opponents. and those matches can really use up a lot of energy. :) if he does not play 100%, i dont think he could win it. and if he is not gonna play 100% to conserve his energy, wouldn't it be better if he rests instead. the pressure on him to play in the ABC is because it is being played on homesoil and the fans would want to have someone to cheer for. :) and of course the organizer wants that too. :D

Oldhand

03-26-2008, 01:58 AM

[...]he is not trying to knock them silly in a competition but to help them gain experience playing in a tournament environment against someone who is a level above you. gauge where they are at. can the juniors make him sweat a little. :) he could not spar with them constantly because if he did that, his form will drop. and we all know playing with players below your level will in turn drag you level down. he needs quality sparring to keep his game in tip top shape. playing with juniors are not the way. and this is not a silly public tournament. this is where the junior and the senior come together. play each other. learn something from each other. build up team spirit. get to know each other better since they train at different venues. this is like a bridge for the juniors and the seniors in my humble opinion. i think even the indonesia, china and korea does this.

Awwww, come on... don't you see it?
One more national title and he's on par with his celebrated coach's record ;)

And you still insist that he's out there to provide tips to his juniors...!

Pemuda

03-26-2008, 02:09 AM

azabaz_ipoh

03-26-2008, 03:33 AM

Awwww, come on... don't you see it?
One more national title and he's on par with his celebrated coach's record ;)

And you still insist that he's out there to provide tips to his juniors...!

:D well that is what the media is highlighting. it could be the truth and it could just be what the media wants to highlight. i did not read anywhere that he himself said that he is looking forward to win this tournament and match his coach's record. :) i still think he would get no satisfaction from knowing he won the national GP even if he won the same or more than his coach because the opponents are just juniors.

i am a romantic. i would like to believe that he is not the calculating, i want to be king, let's knock around some juniors to feel good, person that you kinda feel that he is. :) he might just be what you suspect he is, i grant you that. but since we both can't be sure about that, i'll stick with my assumption and you can stick to yours. i have no problem with that. agree to disagree. ok. :)

pjswift

03-26-2008, 04:58 AM

Awwww, come on... don't you see it?
One more national title and he's on par with his celebrated coach's record ;)

And you still insist that he's out there to provide tips to his juniors...!
If you go through some BAM history, YKH indicates that LCW is required in nationals as glitter. I often wonder why because wouldn't the MDs be sufficient glitter? LCW has commented in 2006 or 2007 that it's a waste of time and energy (words are mine for emphasis) and he rather take a rest but it seems YKH does not understand the meaning of 'resting to recharge'.(That's why he and Misbun will benefit from the Sports Science course which is due)

eaglehelang

03-26-2008, 05:27 AM

:D well that is what the media is highlighting. it could be the truth and it could just be what the media wants to highlight. i did not read anywhere that he himself said that he is looking forward to win this tournament and match his coach's record. :) i still think he would get no satisfaction from knowing he won the national GP even if he won the same or more than his coach because the opponents are just juniors.

Awwww, come on... don't you see it?
One more national title and he's on par with his celebrated coach's record ;)

And you still insist that he's out there to provide tips to his juniors...!

On LCW :

Aza & Oldhand and whoever else, as Pjswift has stated & I also saw last year's articles, LCW & all BAM players are required/compulsory to go for National GP, I think it's connection to sponsors, Proton is main sponsor for BAM players (RM2.5 mil funding in 2007, same as NSC/government funding). So, this year, unless they have other priorities like chasing OG points (WCH) or injury (WMC, Hafiz & I think WPT/CEH), they have to go.

But the 'reasonings' you all gave are cute, ha ha.
Aza, didnt know you're a 'romantic', he he. You explained KKK/TBh case eloquently, Rexy & NSC are also "monitoring their progress" (sound familiar?)during training (memantau prestasi ketika latihan).

Value of the Nationals to senior players as someone asked :
Last year, LCW said he preferred to stay back & train for Japan Open (which was right after the local tourney) but it's compulsory to go for the Nationals, so he went. It's no big deal for them. LCW sounded like it's a disturbance to his preparation for Japan Open 2007, that's how I interpreted LCW's statement.
Last year, TBH said sthing like senior players are judged by International tourneys not local & asked reporters not to analyse or read too much in KKK/TBH's win in 2007 i.e. it's not benckmark or indication they can do well Internationally. The National GP is also for coaches,etc to see if the juniors are up to the mark for national/senior squad in the near future.

Oldhand

03-26-2008, 11:39 AM

[...]However, should KKK and TBH again show poor form and fail to wrap up the title without too much of a sweat, Rexy would be justified to call for their heads to roll.
The doubles pair has done more than just that ;)
They have failed!

Just wondering what could happen next...

pjswift

03-26-2008, 01:02 PM

The doubles pair has done more than just that ;)
They have failed!

Just wondering what could happen next...
It's great for Gan/Lim.They are just taking turns defeating one another.

Pemuda

03-26-2008, 09:12 PM

I still stand by that the NGP is not the place to test in view of Beijing. But I guess after KKK/TBH's recent beatings, maybe there is some sense to give this pair a 'break' thus the NGP. And I hope they dont get beaten by some junior pair because it will only make things go from bad to worse. So, lets hope they can come out of this NGP as winners and not get scalped by some juniors.

Opppsy daisy ... I guess I spoke too soon. KKK/TBH really got a beating by some junior pair!!! :eek:

I guess Beijing is looking more like a lost cause by the day now. Yesterday beating showed that KKK/TBH have already lost it. They are the Hafiz Hashim of men's doubles.

Jessica

03-26-2008, 09:24 PM

Opppsy daisy ... I guess I spoke too soon. KKK/TBH really got a beating by some junior pair!!! :eek:

I guess Beijing is looking more like a lost cause by the day now. Yesterday beating showed that KKK/TBH have already lost it. They are the Hafiz Hashim of men's doubles.
Hmm..I think Gan/Lin is not junior pair but i agree that they shouldn't lost this one..:(:rolleyes:

Pemuda

03-26-2008, 09:31 PM

Hmm..I think Gan/Lin is not junior pair but i agree that they shouldn't lost this one..:(:rolleyes:

You mean Gan/Lin are some senior pair??:eek:!

Jessica

03-26-2008, 09:49 PM

You mean Gan/Lin are some senior pair??:eek:!
They are junior pair???:confused::confused:I thought they are together with other MD pair in traning and Gan/Lin also older than Koo/Tan..

wilfredlgf

03-26-2008, 09:53 PM

Replace them, I say.

What don't kill them will make them stronger.

Oldhand

03-26-2008, 09:57 PM

Hmm..I think Gan/Lin is not junior pair but i agree that they shouldn't lost this one..:(:rolleyes:

From a ranking perspective, they are definitely a lowly, junior pair :)

badMania

03-26-2008, 09:57 PM

Gan Teik Chai/Lin Woon Fui are definitely OLDER than Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong in terms of age :o They are both born in 1983 and are 25 yo this year.

Koo/Tan will be 23/21 this year.

badMania

03-26-2008, 10:12 PM

From a ranking perspective, they are definitely a lowly, junior pair :)

Low ranked probably yes, but junior definitely not right. On the other hand, Lim Khim Wah/Mak Hee Chun will be a junior pair.

Lin Woon Fui himself, had been ranked as high as in the top 6 with Fairuz.

Pemuda

03-26-2008, 10:39 PM

They are junior pair???:confused::confused:I thought they are together with other MD pair in traning and Gan/Lin also older than Koo/Tan..

You mean KKK/TBH lost to some reserve/back up pair!!!!! :eek: That is even worse!

azabaz_ipoh

03-26-2008, 10:41 PM

Replace them, I say.

What don't kill them will make them stronger.

i would have to agree with this. in liew with the recent defeat, KKK/TBH are nowhere near their top game and thus are not worthy of being sent to OG.

maybe they will grow stronger after being denied a place. maybe they will then fight for a place again. ;)

Pemuda

03-26-2008, 10:42 PM

Gan Teik Chai/Lin Woon Fui are definitely OLDER than Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong in terms of age :o They are both born in 1983 and are 25 yo this year.

Koo/Tan will be 23/21 this year.

Thank goodness they are older than KKK/TBH! I thought Gan/Lin are a pair of schoolboys. In that case, KKK/TBH still have some hope la, after all they lost to some 'older' pair.

Malaysia Boleh!;)

badMania

03-26-2008, 10:44 PM

i would have to agree with this. in liew with the recent defeat, KKK/TBH are nowhere near their top game and thus are not worthy of being sent to OG.

That will invite huge cheers from INA, Korean and Chinese fans ;)

We shall see what's Rexy decision.....I will still think that Koo/Tan WILL BE sent to the Olympics.

azabaz_ipoh

03-26-2008, 11:09 PM

That will invite huge cheers from INA, Korean and Chinese fans ;)

We shall see what's Rexy decision.....I will still think that Koo/Tan WILL BE sent to the Olympics.

i dont think, based on the current performance, that anybody will cheer if they are not there, painful as it is for me to admit. in fact most will only take little notice. what they would want to avoid is the winning KKK/TBH. :D not the one that is having trouble now. :) i still support them, dont get me wrong but to leave it as it is will not do them any good.

yeah, whatever rexy decides, i will trust his judgement. after all he is the one training with them everyday and should be the one who can properly assess their performance. :)

Dato Asbullah

03-27-2008, 04:22 AM

Whether it is a silly mistake or not, I guess time will tell. And come Beijing, we will find out.

That being said, the NGP is still not the place to test our shuttlers in the run up to Beijing.

No need to wait for beijing 08, Rexy will know what is his decision now.if lost to a pair that is same level with u it's ok. but now lost to a pair that is not in the same level with u - LOST TO A WORLD RANKED 28TH PLACE IN BWF RANKING. This is totally unacceptable!

DONT MAKE ME LAUGH , MR KOO AND MR TAN.....

Pemuda

03-27-2008, 04:27 AM

No need to wait for beijing 08, Rexy will know what is his decision now.if lost to a pair that is same level with u it's ok. but now lost to a pair that is not in the same level with u - LOST TO A WORLD RANKED 28TH PLACE IN BWF RANKING. This is totally unacceptable!

DONT MAKE ME LAUGH , MR KOO AND MR TAN.....

The knives are out!!!

Where are the Boleh fans to defend KKK/TBH????

Errr .. Dato, while we wait for the Boleh fans to show up, will you accept this excuse; 'Give KKK/TBH another chance. It was very hot in Kedah'??? :o:o

Dato Asbullah

03-27-2008, 04:32 AM

The knives are out!!!

Errr .. Dato, while we wait for the Boleh fans to show up, will you accept this excuse; 'Give KKK/TBH another chance. It was very hot in Kedah'??? :o:o

U try to tell me a joke,isn't it?. But for sure, REXY IS REALLY HOT NOW.:mad:

Pemuda

03-27-2008, 04:35 AM

U try to tell me a joke,isn't it?. But for sure, REXY IS REALLY HOT NOW.:mad:

Calm down, boss. Relaxs.

Give KKK/TBH another chance ok. Maybe the weather in Kedah was really hot. Plus the food just wasnt right. Maybe too spicy.

Dato Asbullah

03-27-2008, 04:45 AM

travel to kedah very far,so they r very tired.give them chance, bcos they r still able to qualify themselves to semi-final, then meet with CTF/LWW.Then they will beat them and finally champion of NGP.

Rexy and Yap Kim Hock and press and their supporters, and some said malaysians are think like that.

Malaysia Boleh! Koo Koo and Tan Tan Boleh!

Pemuda

03-27-2008, 04:55 AM

Dato Asbullah

03-27-2008, 06:23 AM

Koo Koo Koo....wake Up Wake Up Wake Up!

eaglehelang

03-27-2008, 06:47 AM

That will invite huge cheers from INA, Korean and Chinese fans ;)

We shall see what's Rexy decision.....I will still think that Koo/Tan WILL BE sent to the Olympics.

Smart you are, my friend, you been reading the interviews in the Malay press?

Low ranked probably yes, but junior definitely not right. On the other hand, Lim Khim Wah/Mak Hee Chun will be a junior pair.

Lin Woon Fui himself, had been ranked as high as in the top 6 with Fairuz.

From a ranking perspective, they are definitely a lowly, junior pair :)

Like what Badmania said, Gan/Lin are more senior in terms of experience & age but lower ranked cos they just paired up last year. They have been in the senior squad some time. Gan used to be Zakry's partner & Lin WF was Fairuz's partner. Fuzzy pair is now World no 11 but they are KKK/TBH's senior, actually of 5 MD pairs in senior squad, 4 are KKK/TBH's senior. Gan/Lin didnt go for 4 SS tourneys last year hence their lower ranking.
Gan/Lin are currently Msia's no 5 MD pair.

KKK/TBH have lost to uncles, Fuzzy, TBS/OSH, CCM/Hoon combo before but not Gan/Lin combo, they havent played each other in International tourneys as far as I can remember.

Losing to Gan/Lin is not like very surprising to me, given last week's 'events', no excuse of course, but it shows KKK/TBH confidence have taken a nose dive from recent events. Would be interesting to see what Rexy has to say about it.

Oh yeah, there's also Msia no 4 MD pair around - Tan Bin Shen/Ong Soon Hock. OT : Oldhand, you still have your money on uncles to take the MD title? :D

pjswift

03-27-2008, 09:13 PM

Smart you are, my friend, you been reading the interviews in the Malay press?

Like what Badmania said, Gan/Lin are more senior in terms of experience & age but lower ranked cos they just paired up last year. They have been in the senior squad some time. Gan used to be Zakry's partner & Lin WF was Fairuz's partner. Fuzzy pair is now World no 11 but they are KKK/TBH's senior, actually of 5 MD pairs in senior squad, 4 are KKK/TBH's senior. Gan/Lin didnt go for 4 SS tourneys last year hence their lower ranking.
Gan/Lin are currently Msia's no 5 MD pair.

KKK/TBH have lost to uncles, Fuzzy, TBS/OSH, CCM/Hoon combo before but not Gan/Lin combo, they havent played each other in International tourneys as far as I can remember.

Losing to Gan/Lin is not like very surprising to me, given last week's 'events', no excuse of course, but it shows KKK/TBH confidence have taken a nose dive from recent events. Would be interesting to see what Rexy has to say about it.

Oh yeah, there's also Msia no 4 MD pair around - Tan Bin Shen/Ong Soon Hock. OT : Oldhand, you still have your money on uncles to take the MD title? :D
Excellent update for Oldhand and whoever comment much on MAS MDs but get mixed up a lot too.

Dato Asbullah

03-28-2008, 04:58 AM

Seems that every pair in mas whether junior/ senior would be able to win over KKK/TBH.

If they cant be champion in NGP, then REXY please banned them for participating in ABC Championship also.No need to consider more...

Dato Asbullah

03-28-2008, 09:04 PM

Oldhand

03-28-2008, 11:09 PM

Kien Keat-Boon Heong bangkit

KUALA LUMPUR - Pasangan yang dikritik hebat, Koo Kien Kiat-Tan Boon Heong mempamerkan kebangkitan mengalahkan beregu utama negara, Choong Tan Fook- Lee Wan Wah pada separuh akhir Grand Prix Badminton Kebangsaan Akhir di Alor Star, semalam.
Kien Kiat-Boon Heong bagaimanapun dikerah tiga set 21-14, 18-21, 21-15 sebelum menang dalam masa 40 minit.

utusan malaysia march 29, 2008

Please do not post non-English articles unless it's either accompanied by a translation or you have found someone to translate it.

This one stays for an hour.

ants

03-28-2008, 11:15 PM

Kien Keat-Boon Heong bangkit

KUALA LUMPUR - Pasangan yang dikritik hebat, Koo Kien Kiat-Tan Boon Heong mempamerkan kebangkitan mengalahkan beregu utama negara, Choong Tan Fook- Lee Wan Wah pada separuh akhir Grand Prix Badminton Kebangsaan Akhir di Alor Star, semalam.
Kien Kiat-Boon Heong bagaimanapun dikerah tiga set 21-14, 18-21, 21-15 sebelum menang dalam masa 40 minit.

utusan malaysia march 29, 2008
Here you go translated by me.

A Pair that has been criticised alot lately, KKK/TBH made an uplifting display by defeating CTF/LWW in the Semi Finals of National Grand Prix event which was held in Alor Star yesterday. However both KKK/TBH has to slug it out in 3 sets before winning the match in 40 minutes.

Oldhand

03-28-2008, 11:16 PM

ants, thank you :)

Dato Asbullah

03-28-2008, 11:57 PM

thanks a lot, ants.

eaglehelang

03-29-2008, 02:04 AM

thanks a lot, ants.

He he, now you know why stimes I dont post the news piece from Malay press. KKK/TBH would be up against TBS/Ong(Msia no 4 MD & they are team mates in senior squad) in Finals. Can go either way, TBS/Ong defeated Gan/Lin, Gan/lin defeated KKK/TBH, KKK/TBH defeated uncles.... they know either other's game well enuf. Samuel watched at stadium yesterday & gave his 'report' in the National GP thread.

Ants, your translation good also(hint, hint), some words better choice than what I would have used.

Dato Asbullah

03-29-2008, 02:38 AM

Dato Asbullah

03-29-2008, 02:43 AM

Fiaruz/Zakri didnt take part in National GP?

eaglehelang

03-29-2008, 02:55 AM

tbs/osh may beat kkk/tbh coz they also wnat to prove to Rexy that they also manage to settle the unce upon a time 's greatest pair in malaysia, and some said in the world...

For sure, kkk/tbh will be playing under GREAT PRESSURE...

Yup, under pressure they will be.
That's why I said can go either way, KKK/TBH have lost to team mates even in the best of times (like in local tourney right after 2006 AG gold medal win), TBS/Ong at their best have beaten Fu/Cai, just depends on who plays better on the day.

Win or lose,it's Rexy's perspective of assessment that's important. Normally Rexy looks more than win or lose (that's what Rexy has said a couple of times in press statements) but team work, trusting one's partner, fighting spirit -> team work is sthing he wants to see from KKK/TBH, as you know, they have been having prob in this area.

Just saw your question on Fuzzy pair, they have to participate in 2007 local tourneys & gather enuf points, they didnt qualify for Finals. You can read our Ayu's explaination on that in National GP thread, last 3 pgs or so.
Our MD, 4 pairs qualified, new pairing Hoon/Wee Kiong of course cannot qualify, Fuzzy didnt, maybe quota full for "senior" section.
They must allocate place for juniors like the back MD Lim/Mak, and Ong/partner, BJSS MD.

bayanbaru

03-30-2008, 04:38 AM

Sunday March 30, 2008

Chong Wei aims to extend record haul next year

By LOGANATH VELLOO

ALOR STAR: Lee Chong Wei equalled his coach Misbun Sidek’s record of six men’s singles national titles after winning the 2007 Proton National Grand Prix Badminton Finals last night.
The top seed, who is undefeated in the local circuit since 2002, needed just 25 minutes to beat second seed Tan Chun Seang 21-17, 21-7 in the final at the Kedah BA Hall here.
Chong Wei then declared that he planned to go one better than his mentor next year.
“It is a big honour to be able to match Misbun’s feat. Although I had earlier contemplated quitting the local scene after this win, I want the record all for myself now. I will compete in local tournaments for at least another year,” said Chong Wei.
“I have not decided whether to compete in the ABC (Asian Badminton Championships) in Johor Baru next month and I need to consult Misbun first,” added the world No. 2.
For his efforts, Chong Wei took home RM7,000 while Chun Seang won RM3,600.
In the men’s doubles, top seeds Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong ended their barren run this year after successfully defending their national title against Ong Soon Hock-Tan Bin Shen in the final.

Kien Keat-Boon Heong won 21-14, 14-21, 21-17 to seal their second straight national title and the RM11,000 purse.
Women’s singles top seed Julia Wong bagged her second national title after halting the giant-killing run of Bukit Jalil Sports School student Tee Jing Yi.
The 21-year-old Julia, however, had to dig deep into her reserves to tame the 17-year-old 21-13, 14-21, 21-10. Julia took home RM4,000 while Jing Yi was richer by RM2,000.
There was further misery for Jing Yi when she also fell at the final hurdle of the women’s doubles event. The Lydia Cheah-Jing Yi scratch partnership lost to Fong Chew Yen-Mooi Hing Yau 21-14, 16-21, 21-16.
There was a surprise in the mixed doubles final when Mohd Razif Latif-Chong Sook Chin bagged their first national title by stunning world junior champions Lim Khim Wah-Ng Hui Lin 21-7, 21-19. This was the first time that Razif-Sook Chin have won a tournament since being paired up last year

Dato Asbullah

04-03-2008, 04:30 AM

kkk/tbh already bounce back. the next target is ABC CHAMPIONSHIPS, then OG 08. hURRAY!!

mALAYSIA BOLEH! kookoo and tantan boleh!!

Pemuda

04-03-2008, 09:46 PM

kkk/tbh already bounce back. the next target is ABC CHAMPIONSHIPS, then OG 08. hURRAY!!

mALAYSIA BOLEH! kookoo and tantan boleh!!

So very typical of Malaysia Boleh.

Hello bro, that NGP is nothing la but a picnic of a tourney. KKK/TBH winning that NGP doesnt mean they have bounced back and all. Lets not kid ourselves.

Dato Asbullah

04-04-2008, 01:12 AM

I know that, u know that but others dont.

hollywood_t

04-04-2008, 07:31 AM

What's up here ... why are the women getting way less prize money? Is it still the case that women are underfunded vs. the men as well? It will be tough to produce world beaters w/ unequal resources.

Sunday March 30, 2008

Chong Wei aims to extend record haul next year

By LOGANATH VELLOO

For his efforts, Chong Wei took home RM7,000 while Chun Seang won RM3,600.
In the men’s doubles, top seeds Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong ended their barren run this year after successfully defending their national title against Ong Soon Hock-Tan Bin Shen in the final.

Kien Keat-Boon Heong won 21-14, 14-21, 21-17 to seal their second straight national title and the RM11,000 purse.
Women’s singles top seed Julia Wong bagged her second national title after halting the giant-killing run of Bukit Jalil Sports School student Tee Jing Yi.
The 21-year-old Julia, however, had to dig deep into her reserves to tame the 17-year-old 21-13, 14-21, 21-10. Julia took home RM4,000 while Jing Yi was richer by RM2,000.