Pick-A-Winner (PAW) #30 – POLISH INTERNATIONAL CHALLENGE - 2008

[madbad]

That is sheer dynamite! Cigar and Port! Unless you stop this very dangerous habit, you may not live long enough to cherish the "mother of all great victories" by your top-heavy team! :eek:

Another warning: A team of top-heavy, single-minded, fiercely independent members will only give problems as time evolves and in-fighting will soon break out!

Your chair becomes shaky, how to relax huh???

I can envision myself like one of those over-the-top WWE wrestling managers. You know, when the wrestler is introduced to loud music, flashy videos and pyrotechnics, sometimes his manager accompanies him, cigar in mouth and looking like a million bucks. He's generally gesturing aggressively and pretending to look intimidating. Of course he can assume this posture while his "bodyguard" is around. Now you you can see how we're assembling our team. Now, where can I find those 'roids for cooler, Sandy and leonard...:D:D:D

[madbad]

Y wack???Y we are wack????Just bcoz we have Cat n Kitten here....wanna try our CLAWS???:mad:

Watch your words b4 we 'whack' u...:D:D:D

Oh oh, team WWW is threatening to wack and claw us. Game on!!

[madbad]

TC/UC/Olympics or bust for us! :D:D

[Louisa]

Oh oh, team WWW is threatening to wack and claw us. Game on!!
Come on...we r not threatening....

The Leader for team WWW is....don't drag my fellow members in...hihihi

Nolah, not threatening, but to let other teams know that, don't ever think of bully us.....though we have 2 little animals (Cat n Kitten) in our team...Got it?;)

[azabaz_ipoh]

I can envision myself like one of those over-the-top WWE wrestling managers. You know, when the wrestler is introduced to loud music, flashy videos and pyrotechnics, sometimes his manager accompanies him, cigar in mouth and looking like a million bucks. He's generally gesturing aggressively and pretending to look intimidating. Of course he can assume this posture while his "bodyguard" is around. Now you you can see how we're assembling our team. Now, where can I find those 'roids for cooler, Sandy and leonard...:D:D:D

you mean like don king? :p;):cool::D:p;):):eek:

[Sandy]

Sandy

TEAM RESULTS

Is it too much to ask you to help out in this matter since you are the expert on the scores and may have the necessary softwares to come up with the answers readily.

1. Just like in the Individual PAW competition, you can devise the results of each individual TEAM for every competition. Players with the 3 best positions out of 5 will count in the final tally.

2. Then you can also have the cumulative (or is it "racing") results for the last best 10 or 12 PAW games, according to your current format for the individual PAWs.

There are currently 4 teams with 5 members each, namely:

1. Dream Team
2. Mad Hatters
3. Wonderful World, and
4. Chong Wei Club

Team Members who wish to opt out will not join another team for a calendar year. New members can be recruited as replacements.

I would expect a few more teams to emerge to challenge for the TEAM honours.

Do let me know if you need further information.

Thanks a million. :):):)


I see PAW individual Ranking isn't suitable for PAW team's ranking, the points is too big.
We have experience in PAW team's ranking system following Fed's cup rules and the event use "Round Robin" System.

The Badminton PAW's team looked like F1 race.
Does anyone know the the rule of F1 team's ranking calculation ?
I will implement it in PAW team's Ranking calculation if posible.

[Dreamzz]

he means like the undertaker's manager, paul bearer ....

http://www.hollywoodsuccess.com/PaulBearerCard.jpg

[Dreamzz]

I see PAW individual Ranking isn't suitable for PAW team's ranking, the points is too big.
We have experience in PAW team's ranking system following Fed's cup rules and the event use "Round Robin" System.

The Badminton PAW's team looked like F1 race.
Does anyone know the the rule of F1 team's ranking calculation ?
I will implement it in PAW team's Ranking calculation if posible.

currently the F1 awards points based on position after the race:

1st - 10 points
2nd - 8
3rd - 6
4th - 5
5th - 4
6th - 3
7th - 2
8th - 1

i guess you could use that, then the team with the most points wins. but then, what happens if no one from any of the teams actually makes it into the top 8?
:D

[madbad]

you mean like don king? :p;):cool::D:p;):):eek:

... but without the wacky hair! :D:D:D

[madbad]

he means like the undertaker's manager, paul bearer ....

http://www.hollywoodsuccess.com/PaulBearerCard.jpg

Yeah, I like him too! My persona is evolving, muahahahhaha :D:D:D

[Dreamzz]

he's a creepy guy, but then, being the undertaker's manager, i guess you have to be.

[azabaz_ipoh]

... but without the wacky hair! :D:D:D

awwww, the wacky hair is the main part of the charm. maybe you could grow an afro. :D then you can be the cigar smoking, port sipping, mad hair, mad bad. :D

[madbad]

he's a creepy guy, but then, being the undertaker's manager, i guess you have to be.

Who is that Samoan wrestler's manager? Some Latino dude with a fedora and always has a cigar in his mouth. I need some part of him in my persona too :D:D

[madbad]

awwww, the wacky hair is the main part of the charm. maybe you could grow an afro. :D then you can be the cigar smoking, port sipping, mad hair, mad bad. :D

I got the cigar, I got the port, I don't got the hair. Perhaps time to invest in a 'fro wig :D:D:D

[Loh]

I see PAW individual Ranking isn't suitable for PAW team's ranking, the points is too big.
We have experience in PAW team's ranking system following Fed's cup rules and the event use "Round Robin" System.

The Badminton PAW's team looked like F1 race.
Does anyone know the the rule of F1 team's ranking calculation ?
I will implement it in PAW team's Ranking calculation if posible.

I was thinking of something much simpler, without the addition of further ranking points, something of which both Rudy and Luyi80 have given examples.

TEAM RESULTS (for each PAW)

Based on the just concluded Polish Open:

(1) Number in bracket represents the position of the team player as shown by Sandy on a periodical basis, whether for Day1, Day 2, QF, SF or F. The team's 3 best positions will be added to ascertain the total score.

In the Team Results, the team with the total lowest number of points will rank higher. It is the reverse of the scoring system for the Individual PAWs.

1. Dream Team : 11 points
* Dimitry (1)
* Stork (4)
* Dreamzz (6)

2. MAD Hatters : 12 points
* Leonard (2)
* Sandy (3)
* Madbad (7)

3. Wonderful World : 30 points
* Loh (8)
* Loopy (10)
* Louisa (12)

4. Chong Wei Club : 40 points
* George@chongwei (5)
* Azabaz_Ipoh (16)
* 920808 (19)

CUMMULATIVE TEAM RESULTS

Assuming in 3 PAWs, the total individual score of the teams are:
(6 points, 3 members in podium finish, is the lowest that any team can secure.)

1. Dream Team 11, 20, 15 (total 46 points)
2. Mad Hatters 12, 12, 12 (36)
3. Wonderful World 30, 8, 9 (47)
4. Chong Wei Club 40, 11, 8 (59)

So, Mad Hatters is leading with 36 cummulative points, followed by Dream Team (46), Wonderful World (47) and Chong Wei Club (59).

If Sandy finds it too time consuming to devise the above results, then I suggest that one of us compile them manually.

Hau-ge is definitely good at it, and
Luyi80 seems to be quite comfortable to assist, in case Hau-ge is travelling or vice-versa. It is also good that both can cross-check the results in case of unintended mistakes.

[luyi80]

I see PAW individual Ranking isn't suitable for PAW team's ranking, the points is too big.
We have experience in PAW team's ranking system following Fed's cup rules and the event use "Round Robin" System.

The Badminton PAW's team looked like F1 race.
Does anyone know the the rule of F1 team's ranking calculation ?
I will implement it in PAW team's Ranking calculation if posible.
Yup, agree with u Sandy. So, mayb we just take into account top 20 pawers, just like in F1, they only take top 8.

So, my proposal is:
1st: 30 pts
2nd: 28 pts
3rd: 26 pts
4th: 24 pts
5th: 22 pts
6th: 20 pts
7th: 18 pts
8th: 16 pts
9th: 14 pts
10th: 12 pts
11th: 10 pts
12th: 9 pts
13th: 8 pts
14th: 7 pts
15th: 6 pts
16th: 5 pts
17th: 4 pts
18th: 3pts
19th: 2 pts
20th: 1 pts

The rest will be no points at all. What do u guys think?

[luyi80]

So, in order to ease our job in team calculation, I hope every Pawer, especially those who always take part to form their groups ASAP, then I can start calculating the Team Standing. Now only 4 teams competing, no exciting enuff...hehe!

[Loh]

I see what you mean. This is also a good and fair system since most teams, if not all, will gain at least some points in the final tally.

20th position is reasonable for the time being as each team can accommodate up to 5 members, so if we have 20 teams, it will mean 100 PAWers, a record number in PAW history.

Hope we can have it started and administered as quickly as possible.

[Dreamzz]

wow, this is getting way too complicated. i think the initial idea of top 3 in the team counting the team positions still remains the best idea. no need for any additional points system, no hassle, no fuss ....

[920808]

ya, use the initial 1..dun make it too complicated, vry confusing..

[Dmitry]

One more proposal:

1) For each PAW competition the team ranking is based on the sum of points of top 3 players. In some sense it may be more fairly. I mean, if we count the players' positions, the teams results are dependent not only on the results of the players involved in team competition, but on the other players as well. For example, if there will be 11 more "other" players having more than 178 points (Loh) and less than 194 (George), the team results would be different: all of WW players would have +11 in their positions, while for CWC players only two of them, so the CWC team would stay higher than WW team. So, if we want the result to depend only on the players who are involved in teams, counting the sum of points looks better than counting of positions.

For this Polish Open we would have the same standing:
1. Dream Team - 630 (236+211+183)
2. Mad Hatter - 628 (232+216+180)
3. Wonderful World - 520 (178+174+168)
4. Chong Wei Club - 497 (194+154+149)

I think, these calculations are not too complicated.


2) For the cumulative team competition, counting the team positions looks better. Just to avoid remembering and summarizing these big numbers of points from all the tournaments.

What do you think?

[Dmitry]

Just now I've realized, there is a much simpler example: if there were only two "other" players having more than 211 and less than 216 points, the first two teams would swap their positions, so my "Dream Team" would be only 2nd.:eek: I am sure it wouldn't be fair, so let's count the sum of points, OK?:) And teams positions for the cumulative team competition: fair and easy...:D

[Dreamzz]

i thought our team name was pretty rudy??

[george@chongwei]

i thought our team name was pretty rudy??
your team name had been changed to Dream Team becoz of some surgery operation:p:D

[Loh]

i thought our team name was pretty rudy??

Please ask your leader pretty Rudy why he went for an operation! :D
Don't know which part of his body has been operated on though?

And why he decided to honour you with the name "Dream Team"

[Dreamzz]

maybe he's shy!
:)

[Loh]

One more proposal:

1) For each PAW competition the team ranking is based on the sum of points of top 3 players. In some sense it may be more fairly. I mean, if we count the players' positions, the teams results are dependent not only on the results of the players involved in team competition, but on the other players as well. For example, if there will be 11 more "other" players having more than 178 points (Loh) and less than 194 (George), the team results would be different: all of WW players would have +11 in their positions, while for CWC players only two of them, so the CWC team would stay higher than WW team. So, if we want the result to depend only on the players who are involved in teams, counting the sum of points looks better than counting of positions.

For this Polish Open we would have the same standing:
1. Dream Team - 630 (236+211+183)
2. Mad Hatter - 628 (232+216+180)
3. Wonderful World - 520 (178+174+168)
4. Chong Wei Club - 497 (194+154+149)

I think, these calculations are not too complicated.


2) For the cumulative team competition, counting the team positions looks better. Just to avoid remembering and summarizing these big numbers of points from all the tournaments.

What do you think?

Hi Dmitry

Thanks for your thoughts on the matter and your input. :)

Having reviewed your suggestion, I am of the opinion that we should stick to the principle of "short, sweet and simple" without having to include any more numbers, especially bigger ones exceeding 100 and without the need for conversion to another points system to make the scores more precise.

I still think that the scoring system for the individual teams and their cumulative scores that I have put forward is more practical for our case and if need be, we can compile ourselves through our volunteers, so as not to further burden Sandy with the administrative work.

For the following reasons:

1. From Sandy's periodical score results report, players know at once the positions of individual PAWers, many of whom may also be members of the various teams. So there is no dispute as players can counter-check for themselves.

2. Because the number of individual positions is directly related to the number of PAWers, which has so far not exceeded 100, not even 70, as far as I know, the numbers are easily manageable and can be mentally calculated.

3. To calculate the combined positions of each team's three best players will also be fairly simple, since the total should not exceed 300 for the foreseeable future. Any points conversion table will inflat the numbers and make them less desirable for mental calculation especially.

4. For the same reason, the cumulative scores will also be more manageable by just adding up the eligible total team scores for the various PAW events.

So, we can keep to the tested principle of "short, sweet and simple". No big numbers are involved, PAW players are used to and can relate to, Sandy's report on the individual positions and how they are calculated and scores can be retrieved easily and counter-checked if need be.

:):):)

[Dmitry]

Hi Loh,

Yes, maybe you are right. As for me, I do not see a big difference between summarizing three numbers "less than 70" and three numbers "less than 300". Both operations are equally simple for me, but people are different...:)

[Sandy]

Most of players had good start on Round-32 but a lot of trap in Round-16. The players who had less wrong PAW in Round-16 has better position on Final League Table.

Congratulations to the Dmitry and the winners :)
Thank's for all PAW participant, see you again in next tournament, Finnish International Challenge (Indian Open in tentative option) :) :)

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