OG 2008 Qualification - Who will Qualify?

[robin7]

Now the "in-form man" has retired from his 1st round match in Swiss. His spot in the OG is in danger.

[huangkwokhau]

Badzine reported that Chen Jin had waist injury...

[jamesd20]

Now the "in-form man" has retired from his 1st round match in Swiss. His spot in the OG is in danger.

I don't really see this. Although he is defending a win in this SS swiss open, but in the remaing tournaments the best he did was the round of 16.

His closest rivals are KJ, TH, SDK, &　PG.Out of these:

- PG hasn't played the last two and is defending SF in the next two (Swiss, Singapore) and QF in INA open.

-SDK was defending QF in swiss and has just lost in 1st Rd,　and ae not so good either.

-KJ Is not in swiss and was defendgin QF in swiss and also upcoming Sing Open

-TH Is not defending many points, so arguably he is the main threat.

[robin7]

jamesd20, what u just said is not convincing to me at all!

[jamesd20]

jamesd20, what u just said is not convincing to me at all!

Well perhaps you know more about the Ranking and OG qualification system than me......... but your comments do not convince me either - you gave no reasoning as to why it is in doubt?

He has won his last tournament and has only lost in the first round this tournament. His nearest threat only made QF in the last tournament, one of them didn't turn up and in this tournament the same one hasn't turned up and one of them has also lost in the first round - how can he be losing ground?

[huangkwokhau]

Well perhaps you know more about the Ranking and OG qualification system than me......... but your comments do not convince me either - you gave no reasoning as to why it is in doubt?

He has won his last tournament and has only lost in the first round this tournament. His nearest threat only made QF in the last tournament, one of them didn't turn up and in this tournament the same one hasn't turned up and one of them has also lost in the first round - how can he be losing ground?
Qualification for Olympic is end of April only...
CJ's position is not safe at all....only 2 tournaments left, India Open aand Asian Championship and European players can rely on Euro Championship..so if KJ wins or finalist of EC then CJ may not be able to hold his number 4 position....

[jamesd20]

Qualification for Olympic is end of April only...
CJ's position is not safe at all....only 2 tournaments left, India Open aand Asian Championship and European players can rely on Euro Championship..so if KJ wins or finalist of EC then CJ may not be able to hold his number 4 position....


Now you are convincing me...with some evidence. so Is KJ the main threat? he failed in the quarters in AE. I believe the rankings currently on the International Badminton website have not been updated to include AE so CJ will have extended his lead over every to date.


I am Unsure of Indian Open entrants, but being that it is only Grand Prix status this means that the ranking points are less then SS event?

[Wong8Egg]

It is LD's fault for toying CJ too hard in the AE final.

[badMania]

Now you are convincing me...with some evidence. so Is KJ the main threat? he failed in the quarters in AE. I believe the rankings currently on the International Badminton website have not been updated to include AE so CJ will have extended his lead over every to date.


I am Unsure of Indian Open entrants, but being that it is only Grand Prix status this means that the ranking points are less then SS event?

The India Open and Badminton Asia GP Golds offer 7000 ranking points for champions, so do the European Championships. In addition, the European also has the Mixed Team Championships to win some valuable ranking pts. With Peter Gade still injured (and safe for the Olympics), I don't see anyone threatening Kenneth for his European Championships crown.

Kenneth only needs to defend QF positions in the current Swiss Open, and with a win today, he has accomplished that.

Chen Jin NEEDS TO DEFEND 9200+6420=15620 pts from last year's AE Semi-Finalist and Swiss Open Winner. However, he only managed 9200 pts last week and the 6420 pts from AE last year will be replaced by 4800 pts (his next best) pts from the World Championships R16 result. So, he lost 1620 pts as a result of his failure yesterday and lose grounds in his attempt to qualify as China's 3rd player for the Olympics!

His ranking pts is 60280, while Kenneth's is 58502. If Kenneth is to go all the way, his pts will be 61262, almost 1000 above Chen Jin. He only has to beat Lee Chong Wei and another Semi-Finalist though :o

[wood_22_chuck]

Li Yong Bo didn't consult ranking points experts here on BadmintonCentral, due to the very low signal-to-noise ratio, due to rabid "fans."

-dave

[Pete LSD]

Master W22C, how do we amplify the signal then?


Li Yong Bo didn't consult ranking points experts here on BadmintonCentral, due to the very low signal-to-noise ratio, due to rabid "fans."

-dave

[huangkwokhau]

The India Open and Badminton Asia GP Golds offer 7000 ranking points for champions, so do the European Championships. In addition, the European also has the Mixed Team Championships to win some valuable ranking pts. With Peter Gade still injured (and safe for the Olympics), I don't see anyone threatening Kenneth for his European Championships crown.

Kenneth only needs to defend QF positions in the current Swiss Open, and with a win today, he has accomplished that.

Chen Jin NEEDS TO DEFEND 9200+6420=15620 pts from last year's AE Semi-Finalist and Swiss Open Winner. However, he only managed 9200 pts last week and the 6420 pts from AE last year will be replaced by 4800 pts (his next best) pts from the World Championships R16 result. So, he lost 1620 pts as a result of his failure yesterday and lose grounds in his attempt to qualify as China's 3rd player for the Olympics!

His ranking pts is 60280, while Kenneth's is 58502. If Kenneth is to go all the way, his pts will be 61262, almost 1000 above Chen Jin. He only has to beat Lee Chong Wei and another Semi-Finalist though :o

Also if TH can play well this tourney and winning ABC, he may spoil CJ's chance for Olympic too..

[huangkwokhau]

Li Yong Bo didn't consult ranking points experts here on BadmintonCentral, due to the very low signal-to-noise ratio, due to rabid "fans."

-dave
Thats funny and bad.........:D

[ye333]

Check out this great post:

http://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/Announce/Announce.asp?BoardID=4000&ID=2969496

The gray ones are the 10 tournaments which count, and among them, the two with white numbers are the two with lowest points.

CJ now leads Jonassen, Sony, TH by 1778.45, 3519, 5193 pts respectively. The maximum increase of points KJ, Sony, TH can get (by winning all of Swiss Open, India and ABC/EBC) are: 8080, 8838.24, 9520. While the maximum increase of points for CJ (by winning both India and ABC, thus getting two 7000's and replacing 4800 and 4900) is 4300 (thus the maximum gap between CJ and the other three are 6078.45, 7819, and 9493).

So in theory, CJ's position is far from safe. In particular, KJ will almost surely win EBC. Thus adding 1960 pts (7000 - 5040) and would lead CJ by 181.55. For CJ, his current lowest two are 4800 and 4900. Thus he has to reach final in either India or ABC to beat KJ (SF gives him 4900 pts, thus a 100 pts increase, which is less than 181.55 and thus not enough).

[badMania]

So in theory, CJ's position is far from safe. In particular, KJ will almost surely win EBC. Thus adding 1960 pts (7000 - 5040) and would lead CJ by 181.55. For CJ, his current lowest two are 4800 and 4900. Thus he has to reach final in either India or ABC to beat KJ (SF gives him 4900 pts, thus a 100 pts increase, which is less than 181.55 and thus not enough).

Agree with ye333's comments as always :D;)

And now, suddenly Li Yongbo is looking for the aspirin...

[robin7]

So in theory, CJ's position is far from safe. In particular, KJ will almost surely win EBC. Thus adding 1960 pts (7000 - 5040) and would lead CJ by 181.55. For CJ, his current lowest two are 4800 and 4900. Thus he has to reach final in either India or ABC to beat KJ (SF gives him 4900 pts, thus a 100 pts increase, which is less than 181.55 and thus not enough).
I am totally convinced.:)

[jamesd20]

I am More convinced now but.............I don't Agree that KJ will "almost certainly win EBC" why would this be? Whilst he is certainly the favourite, there a a number of players capable of beating him on the day - for example Joachim Persson (whom he is playing today).

Doesn't ABC have Mixed team Tournament to get points?

Is CJ playing Indian Open? How Injured is his back? I don't know the list of entrants for this Tournament, but I am sure if CJ entered he would have a good chance of Reaching the later stages.

Finally if he reaches SF in Indian & ABC will this be enough?

[huangkwokhau]

I am More convinced now but.............I don't Agree that KJ will "almost certainly win EBC" why would this be? Whilst he is certainly the favourite, there a a number of players capable of beating him on the day - for example Joachim Persson (whom he is playing today).

Doesn't ABC have Mixed team Tournament to get points?

Is CJ playing Indian Open? How Injured is his back? I don't know the list of entrants for this Tournament, but I am sure if CJ entered he would have a good chance of Reaching the later stages.

Finally if he reaches SF in Indian & ABC will this be enough?

CJ, BCL, CY, Lu Yi enters as well as XXF, ZN, Lu Lan, Zhu Lin too.........
Badzine reported that CJ has WAIST injury.....

[badMania]

Finally if he reaches SF in Indian & ABC will this be enough?

Nope, since SF in GP Golds will only give him 4900 pts, only 100 pts above his worst results currently. Doesn't do any help. He has to be either in the Final or Win the title!

[jamesd20]

CJ, BCL, CY, Lu Yi enters as well as XXF, ZN, Lu Lan, Zhu Lin too.........
Badzine reported that CJ has WAIST injury.....

How about other countries entrants (with all due respect if he plays CY, BCL or LY I think he will "beat" them.).

And I assume then if He does not enter this then he HAS to win/reach Final in ABC to qualify for OG? (Assuming of course that KJ wins EBC)

Is KJ in India Open? If KJ wins SO and EBC then I assume it is over for CJ anyway?

[george@chongwei]

How about other countries entrants (with all due respect if he plays CY, BCL or LY I think he will "beat" them.).

And I assume then if He does not enter this then he HAS to win/reach Final in ABC to qualify for OG? (Assuming of course that KJ wins EBC)

Is KJ in India Open? If KJ wins SO and EBC then I assume it is over for CJ anyway?
james, u quite active lately..:p..:D

[badMania]

How about other countries entrants (with all due respect if he plays CY, BCL or LY I think he will "beat" them.).

And I assume then if He does not enter this then he HAS to win/reach Final in ABC to qualify for OG? (Assuming of course that KJ wins EBC)

Is KJ in India Open? If KJ wins SO and EBC then I assume it is over for CJ anyway?

Kenneth is not in the M/Q for India Open. He might not win the Swiss Open (which is good news for the Chinese fans), but, he has every chance of grabbing a title in the European Championships.

[Foreverlove]

Check out this great post:

http://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/Announce/Announce.asp?BoardID=4000&ID=2969496

The gray ones are the 10 tournaments which count, and among them, the two with white numbers are the two with lowest points.

CJ now leads Jonassen, Sony, TH by 1778.45, 3519, 5193 pts respectively. The maximum increase of points KJ, Sony, TH can get (by winning all of Swiss Open, India and ABC/EBC) are: 8080, 8838.24, 9520. While the maximum increase of points for CJ (by winning both India and ABC, thus getting two 7000's and replacing 4800 and 4900) is 4300 (thus the maximum gap between CJ and the other three are 6078.45, 7819, and 9493).

So in theory, CJ's position is far from safe. In particular, KJ will almost surely win EBC. Thus adding 1960 pts (7000 - 5040) and would lead CJ by 181.55. For CJ, his current lowest two are 4800 and 4900. Thus he has to reach final in either India or ABC to beat KJ (SF gives him 4900 pts, thus a 100 pts increase, which is less than 181.55 and thus not enough).
I don;t thinkg KJ can goes through semi-Final

[Dreamzz]

wait a minute, is PG definitely not competing in the EC now?

[bananakid]

All of a sudden, fans(who claims to support competition) are excited over the fact that the current world ranking #4 Chen Jin's Olympic spot may be over-taken by someone in the world ranking #100+ from parts unknown to the world.

Way to go, guys!:rolleyes:

[jamesd20]

All of a sudden, fans(who claims to support competition) are excited over the fact that the current world ranking #4 Chen Jin's Olympic spot may be over-taken by someone in the world ranking #100+ from parts unknown to the world.

Way to go, guys!:rolleyes:

Actually that is an interesting point......Assuming CJ does fall out of the top 4, therfore meaning only 2 CHN players make OG, who will be the player who takes his spot? Anyone?

[huangkwokhau]

Actually that is an interesting point......Assuming CJ does fall out of the top 4, therfore meaning only 2 CHN players make OG, who will be the player who takes his spot? Anyone?
If only 2...it will be LD and BCL..........

[pjswift]

How about other countries entrants (with all due respect if he plays CY, BCL or LY I think he will "beat" them.).

And I assume then if He does not enter this then he HAS to win/reach Final in ABC to qualify for OG? (Assuming of course that KJ wins EBC)

Is KJ in India Open? If KJ wins SO and EBC then I assume it is over for CJ anyway?
Wouldn't be surprised if KJ enters IO and all the other non-CHN top players as well.This is their last chance to max their OLy points. If players need a break ,they can do so after TUC.It has nothing to do with CJ.More to do with protecting their best position for OG08.

[huangkwokhau]

KJ did not enter IO but China has full team in MS and WS only..

[badMania]

Actually that is an interesting point......Assuming CJ does fall out of the top 4, therfore meaning only 2 CHN players make OG, who will be the player who takes his spot? Anyone?

Nobody to take Chen Jin spot. Kenneth will still qualify anyway. BUT, if Kenneth DOES manage to oust Chen Jin to no 5 in the ranking table, Chen Jin can say goodbye to his Beijing dream.

[pjswift]

KJ did not enter IO but China has full team in MS and WS only..
You're right. Exciting line up though CHN has the edge.Jamesd20 is sharp in predicting CJ should be able to 'beat' BCL and CY for the first time.

[z3048018]

if it's an all CHN final with CJ, expect him to win!!!

[huangkwokhau]

You're right. Exciting line up though CHN has the edge.Jamesd20 is sharp in predicting CJ should be able to 'beat' BCL and CY for the first time.
:D:D:D.....poor jamesd20!.:p

[jamesd20]

When I asked who will take his place, I did not mean one of the top players. I am aware KJ & PG, TH, SDK etc....are qualified, the issue is whether CHN earn the right to have 3 players. If they do not then as bannana kid stated that place will be made available to another player of much lower ranking.

My question was who will this player be?

[huangkwokhau]

When I asked who will take his place, I did not mean one of the top players. I am aware KJ & PG, TH, SDK etc....are qualified, the issue is whether CHN earn the right to have 3 players. If they do not then as bannana kid stated that place will be made available to another player of much lower ranking.

My question was who will this player be?
I guess we have to wait until end of April...........;)

[jamesd20]

I guess we have to wait until end of April...........;)

I am sure one of the bright sparks on qualification criterion will be able to tell us the candidates.



ye333: I agree, the only way CJ will become a world dominator as he predecessors will be if LD, TH, LCW LHI etc... all retire and no one takes their place.

He is just not at their level, and in all likely hood never will be. Form is temproary, Class is permanent:)

[volcom]

I am sure one of the bright sparks on qualification criterion will be able to tell us the candidates.



ye333: I agree, the only way CJ will become a world dominator as he predecessors will be if LD, TH, LCW LHI etc... all retire and no one takes their place.

He is just not at their level, and in all likely hood never will be. Form is temproary, Class is permanent:)

Next star from China should be Chen Long?

Sigh I expected big things from Gong Weijie also, he has a very powerful smash but his stamina is pathetic.

[bananakid]

So you think

discussing an important issue == being excited over one of the outcomes?:confused:

For your information, many die-hard Team China fans are also doing similar analysis. Check www.chinabadminton.com (http://www.chinabadminton.com).

CJ's OG qualification is simply an important issue that's worth discussing. :cool:

LOL... the tones of some of the so-called "discussions" here definitely sound happy that CJ may not even make it to the Olympics due to his injury during the Swiss open. The Olympics is already bad enough that a lot of good players won't be able to participate due to its regulation, and now what, some people are cheering over the fact that it now restricts(possibly) another top ranking player(because of his nationality). Right now... (one of Sony, Taufik, or Simon + Chen Yu, Chen Hong, and some other top players can't even play while the likes of Scott Evans of Ireland can play in it.... way to go!)

If you don't believe me, check out the tone of some of Badmania's posts... definitely sound excited over the fact that CJ may be out... and the fact is when CJ is out, some unknown player ranking #80-150 from an unknown place will take up the spot... way to go, competition!:rolleyes:

[robin7]

Frankly, I feel a bit sad for CJ if he can't make it to OG due to quota limitation. But, hey, that's the rules of the game. Move on and get over it.:rolleyes:

[badMania]

If you don't believe me, check out the tone of some of Badmania's posts... definitely sound excited over the fact that CJ may be out... and the fact is when CJ is out, some unknown player ranking #80-150 from an unknown place will take up the spot... way to go, competition!:rolleyes:

I certainly don't hide my feeling. I am indeed GLAD if Chen Jin was to be denied an Olympic spot ;) I have no animosity towards the player himself, in fact, he's a friendly chap and I had some chats with him during the HKG Open.

That will open up more spot for other players, which serves well for the future of badminton too :cool: Look at Nguyen Tien-Minh...I bet nobody knows him 3-4 years back. Now, he's one of the giant-killers of the game.

[LazyBuddy]

Of course he's smart enough to know he did not violate any written law of the game.But he has been insulting the intelligence of the crowd and make his players suffer hollow victories instead of savouring them.He actually thought the AE crowd enjoyed the MSF and couldn't see through the acting.
In the long term,CHN's gonna be despised if CHN continues to let LYB further his own ends under the cover of patriotism.I feel sorry for CHN players.

Hollow Victories??? I believe that better fits in the case of world rank #100 players get to play OG instead of XXF, Xia (in 2004), possible CJ, CY, CH, JYJ, etc in 2008.

If you really feel sorry for CHN players, think about talent like Chen Yu and Jiang Yan Jiao who won big SS before, can never enter OG in their life time. Think about WC champ Xia (2003) and WC runner up XXF (2003), can't even go to OG 2004. AE champ (or, at least, runner up if you still believe LD should win) CJ possible can't even go to OG2008.

Remember, whether LYB had whatever "strategy" or not, he is NOT the one elimiated the above players from OG. The current "be fair and be competitive" rule did. :cool:

[LazyBuddy]

Ok, that's it. I think we are beating up a dead horse again, just like 5000 other threads. Two sides will never agree with each other.

Let's get back to the original topic, before it's locked.

Anyone knows what's the status on CJ's injury? I hope it's just day to day, and he can still participate the following tournaments. What a tough year for him, after a few earlier exist in the earlier tournaments, finally proved himself in the AE (whether you argue him deserve the champ or runner up), then only to suffer an injury in the next most important qualification tournament. :cool:

[Winston_T]

Actually that is an interesting point......Assuming CJ does fall out of the top 4, therfore meaning only 2 CHN players make OG, who will be the player who takes his spot? Anyone?

I've read the same question 4 yrs ago!
whether CH or BCL was replaced by XXZ or not.

[jamesd20]

I've read the same question 4 yrs ago!
whether CH or BCL was replaced by XXZ or not.

That was not my point, as was cleared up a few posts later.

If CHN do not Occupy 3 out of the top four positions, they can only take 2 Players (BCL & LD). My question was If this is the case, another player ranked much lower (not neccesarily a top 20 player) would take his place - who would this be?

[pjswift]

That was not my point, as was cleared up a few posts later.

If CHN do not Occupy 3 out of the top four positions, they can only take 2 Players (BCL & LD). My question was If this is the case, another player ranked much lower (not neccesarily a top 20 player) would take his place - who would this be?

I hope he will be Vietnam's Nguyen Tien Minh because he's improving very fast and plays in a more visually exciting manner now.

[jamesd20]

I hope he will be Vietnam's Nguyen Tien Minh because he's improving very fast and plays in a more visually exciting manner now.

Will he not be qualified already?

There is no Vietnam Player ranked above him and he is ranked 32, and when you discard all the players who cannot qualify as there are two many he should be OK?

Discarded:

3 Chinese Players
2 INA PLayers
6 MAS Players
1 each of HKG, SIN, DEN, JPN

That makes 15 Discarde players. NTM is Nr 32 so he is the seventeeth qualified player. It is a 32 man draw I believe, so he should be qualified. The Beneficiary should CJ not make the top four will be a lot futher down the list.

Feel free to correct me if I have misinterpreted the rules

[pjswift]

Will he not be qualified already?

There is no Vietnam Player ranked above him and he is ranked 32, and when you discard all the players who cannot qualify as there are two many he should be OK?

Discarded:

3 Chinese Players
2 INA PLayers
6 MAS Players
1 each of HKG, SIN, DEN, JPN

That makes 15 Discarde players. NTM is Nr 32 so he is the seventeeth qualified player. It is a 32 man draw I believe, so he should be qualified. The Beneficiary should CJ not make the top four will be a lot futher down the list.

Feel free to correct me if I have misinterpreted the rules
Thought it's a `16-man draw. Well, 32 should be safe for NTM. It seems based on his match vs TH in AE, his play has breached a threshold and while chalking up more experience, he may create some big name upsets before OG08.
Someone pls clarify whether 16 or 32. Thanks

[jamesd20]

Thought it's a `16-man draw. Well, 32 should be safe for NTM. It seems based on his match vs TH in AE, his play has breached a threshold and while chalking up more experience, he may create some big name upsets before OG08.
Someone pls clarify whether 16 or 32. Thanks

It is 32 Man draw, 16 pairs in Doubles.

The Qualifying say that 38 Players will qualify, but I think the extra four are reserves. If there is more than four Players withdraw, then I guess all the substitutes will be used and some will get a bye.

[Oldhand]

Um, 38 players is right if you're talking about any of the doubles competitions.

In fact, the total pool is 172 players:
Men's Singles - 29
Women's Singles - 29
Men's Doubles - 38 (19 pairs)
Women's Doubles - 38 (19 pairs)
Mixed Doubles - 38 (19 pairs)

The competition system is quite complicated.
Briefly, here's a summary of how it works:

1. The BWF's ranking list is the basis of qualification
2. In MS and WS, 29 competitors are selected.
3. In MD, WD and XD, 19 pairs are selected (that's 38 players)
4. The top 16 ranks in the BWF list are automatic qualifiers - except that no country may enter more than 3 players (or pairs)
5. If the selection needs to be from beyond the top 16 but within the top 64, then no country may enter more than 2 players (or pairs)
6. If the selection needs to be from beyond the top 64, then no country may enter a player (or pair) who is not the highest ranked competitor from their nation

A few further provisions in the selection process:

- one entry in MS and one entry in WS is awarded by the Tripartite Commission.
- the competition must have at least one one player (or pair) from every continent - if the normal selection process doesn't allow one, the highest ranked player (or pair) from that continent qualifies to compete
- the host nation receives two entries - these may be either two singles players or one doubles pair (however, China isn't eligible for this concession as it already has qualified competitors)

Incidentally, the Olympics too uses the knockout (single-elimination) competition format :)

[jamesd20]

As I read it, a country can have 3 Players/pairs if they are within top 4, 2 players/pairs if they rank 5-16 and only one ranking below that.

as stated here:

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/115_olympic_games.pdf

It says there are:

38 Players for MS
38 PLayers for WS
32 Players for MD, XD, WD (16 Pairs)


Total number players 172


As well as the stipulations already stated by Oldhand at least 1 Player/Pair in each even from each continent (IE. Europe, Asia, N America, S America, Oceana). This further complicates matters, although the limitation to this is that they must be top 100 ranked.

I still think TGH will be qualified.

[Oldhand]

As I read it, a country can have 3 Players/pairs if they are within top 4, 2 players/pairs if they rank 5-16 and only one ranking below that.

as stated here:

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/115_olympic_games.pdf

It says there are:

38 Players for MS
38 PLayers for WS
32 Players for MD, XD, WD (16 Pairs)


Total number players 172


As well as the stipulations already stated by Oldhand at least 1 Player/Pair in each even from each continent (IE. Europe, Asia, N America, S America, Oceana). This further complicates matters, although the limitation to this is that they must be top 100 ranked.

I still think TGH will be qualified.
james, you're 4 years ahead of me :(
My post was based on the grotesque contortions the competition went through at Athens 2004.

This (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/compregs.pdf) is how (complicated) it was then!

[jamesd20]

james, you're 4 years ahead of me :(


First and last time! I think you have about 20 yrs on me elsewhere;)

I agree quite a complex qualification system. It is much simpler to understand this time (Even I understand it!)

I am going to research and guess which player could benefit from CJ being outside the top 4........To be continued

[jamesd20]

Right I have done my research, and I beleive, although I am ready to be corrected the qualifiers will be (WR, Country, Qualifying Nr)

Note my research this morning was with last weeks and I visited this afternoon and it was this weeks, so there was some movement in top 32. I have ignored this.

1 CHN 1
2 MAS 2
3 CHN 3
4 CHN 4
5 DEN 5
6 INA 6
7 INA 7
8 DEN 8
9 KOR 9
10 KOR 10
12 THA 11
14 POL 12
17 SIN 13
18 JPN 14
19 HKG 15
20 HKG 16
24 IND 17
32 VIE 18
33 GER 19
34 CAN 20
35 ENG 21
36 NED 22
38 CZE 23
39 NZL 24
40 WAL 25
48 IRL 26
51 ESP 27
53 IRE 28
57 UKR 29
58 LTU 30
59 GUA 31
61 FRA 32
62 POR 33
67 RUS 34
72 AUS 35
73 ALG 36
74 AUT 37
78 SWE 38
79 FIN 39

The Qualifier from the tripartate agreement, I don't know about.

Basically one of the four reserves to benefit from CJ not making it will be Ville Lang (FIN), Magnus Salhberg (SWE) and possibly Tan Yuhan (BEL), who would be the 40th person (not on My list).

Effectively in playing terms the beneficiaries within the 32 (31 counting the Tripartate agreement with be Erwin Kehlhoffner (France), Marco Vasconcelos (Portugal) or Stanislav Pukhov (Russia).

(All continents will have a representative, with the Last continent being S America, and Kevin Cordon from Guatemala is currently Nr 31 on MY list)

The Actual beneficiaries interms of the Medals/QF, SF Final places will of course depend on the draw....and maybe LYB! (JOKING!):D:D

The list is obviously subject to change, in the coming few tournaments.

[jamesd20]

PLease note this thread has been created from divulging topic from the CJ - The Man in form? thread here:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53104&highlight=Man+Form+Chen+Jin

[jamesd20]

Also please note my list above is wrong by at least one player, as I have two HKG players, despite them being outside the top 16. It doesn't make a huge difference to the bulk of the hopefuls however.

(but it may be a dream come true for that one person that makes it!)

[Dreamzz]

badzine has done a pretty good mock list, it's a week old though so this might have changed since then ...

http://www.badzine.info/olympics/menssingle.htm

[robin7]

As at April 3rd, KJ and TH are 1778 and 1792 points respectively behind CJ in terms of world rankings.

#4 CHEN Jin CHN 60280
#5 Kenneth JONASSEN DEN 58502
#6 Taufik HIDAYAT INA 58488

Since ABC and EBC are considered as GP Gold, the winners will be awarded 7000 pts, runners-up 5950 pts, 3/4 4900 pts, 5/8 3850 pts, 9/16 2720 pts, 17/32 1670 pts etc.

A title for KJ/TH + a SF finish (or worse) for CJ will cause CJ out of top 4????

[robin7]

...
A title for KJ/TH + a SF finish (or worse) for CJ will cause CJ out of top 4????
Forgot TH is the defending champion for ABC.

[jamesd20]

A title for KJ/TH + a SF finish (or worse) for CJ will cause CJ out of top 4????

It has already been discussed that CJ must reach the final to guarantee retaining his Number 4 Spot. He may still be number four however if KJ fails in early rounds in EBC.

TH has no chance to be No. 4. Even if he wins ABC he will still be on the same points, since he is defending the title (and therfore points)

[Loh]

Since 38 players will qualify for the Olympics in MS and WS, and there are only 32 places in the Main Draw, does it therefore mean that 6 of the lowest ranked players who qualified must fight for the right to enter the main draw as is usually the case for the SS.

Does it also mean that 3 qualifiers out of these 6 will proceed to the main draw? At least they only play one extra match and not up to three matches commonly experienced in the SS.

[rodjard]

hello everyone. juz registered. i was wondering how do badminton players qualify for the olympics? has it something to do with the SUPER-SERIES RANKING or the ACTUAL FULL RANKING? I was kinda worried about a certain pair if they'll be able to qualify for the games.

Thanks guys.

[jamesd20]

hello everyone. juz registered. i was wondering how do badminton players qualify for the olympics? has it something to do with the SUPER-SERIES RANKING or the ACTUAL FULL RANKING? I was kinda worried about a certain pair if they'll be able to qualify for the games.

Thanks guys.

Read the link in Post #53, this is the full explanation of how to qualify

[jamesd20]

Since 38 players will qualify for the Olympics in MS and WS, and there are only 32 places in the Main Draw, does it therefore mean that 6 of the lowest ranked players who qualified must fight for the right to enter the main draw as is usually the case for the SS.

Does it also mean that 3 qualifiers out of these 6 will proceed to the main draw? At least they only play one extra match and not up to three matches commonly experienced in the SS.

AFAIK there isn't a Playoff system for the final places. I Basically think that the extra 4 places are reserves, in case of injury or other withdrawal reasons to avoid having byes in the draw (If a player gets a bye he will only need to win 1 match for QF place)

[Loh]

AFAIK there isn't a Playoff system for the final places. I Basically think that the extra 4 places are reserves, in case of injury or other withdrawal reasons to avoid having byes in the draw (If a player gets a bye he will only need to win 1 match for QF place)

Not a very pleasant situation for the 4 'reserves' then since they'll have to travel all the way to Beijing without a guarantee that they will be participating in the main competition. :(

[jamesd20]

Not a very pleasant situation for the 4 'reserves' then since they'll have to travel all the way to Beijing without a guarantee that they will be participating in the main competition. :(


I am not so sure. I assume they will be recognised as qualifying for the games, giving them press and possibly funding in their country, they will have the experience to travel to an olympics and (I assume) will still be able to train and watch the games as if a competitor.

I would like to qualify! And it is not as though they would not be doing anything else at this time. There are no other tournaments on. I know where I would rather be:D

[huangkwokhau]

I am not so sure. I assume they will be recognised as qualifying for the games, giving them press and possibly funding in their country, they will have the experience to travel to an olympics and (I assume) will still be able to train and watch the games as if a competitor.

I would like to qualify! And it is not as though they would not be doing anything else at this time. There are no other tournaments on. I know where I would rather be:D
I think that 8 players will fight to get thru 2nd round where 28 players will have BYEs in 1st round......I am not sure though..

[badMania]

I think that 8 players will fight to get thru 2nd round where 28 players will have BYEs in 1st round......I am not sure though..

This is correct, with 8 players involved in R64. The same goes for the doubles, where I believe there's only 19 spots. So, 6 pairs will be involved in R32.

[jamesd20]

I think that 8 players will fight to get thru 2nd round where 28 players will have BYEs in 1st round......I am not sure though..

That seems strange, could it be any player who might have to play an extra game, or will it only be the last 8 players to qualify?

[huangkwokhau]

That seems strange, could it be any player who might have to play an extra game, or will it only be the last 8 players to qualify?
I just assume...I agree with you ...it is kinda strange...why not 48 plsyers, why 38??:confused::confused:

[Loh]

This is correct, with 8 players involved in R64. The same goes for the doubles, where I believe there's only 19 spots. So, 6 pairs will be involved in R32.

And I doubt there is R64 if the info given by James stands.

[badMania]

That seems strange, could it be any player who might have to play an extra game, or will it only be the last 8 players to qualify?

I think it will be based on rankings.

[Loopy]

(All continents will have a representative, with the Last continent being S America, and Kevin Cordon from Guatemala is currently Nr 31 on MY list)


In real life, there are 6 continents: Asia, Europe, Africa, Oceania, America and Antartica. South and North America are part of the same continent.

However, BWF recognizes 5 continents.


3.3.8 In each event there shall be at least one player/pair from each of the five BWF Continental Confederations.

[jamesd20]

In real life, there are 6 continents: Asia, Europe, Africa, Oceania, America and Antartica. South and North America are part of the same continent.

However, BWF recognizes 5 continents.

I Think N & S America are classified as different continents.

BWF Recognises continental Confederations, If Antartica eventually has a Badminton confederation affiliated to BWF, then I am sure BWF will change their rules (Assuming of course an Indigenous or adopted Antartic dweller can make the top 100 players in the Rankings).

[Loopy]

I Think N & S America are classified as different continents.

BWF Recognises continental Confederations, If Antartica eventually has a Badminton confederation affiliated to BWF, then I am sure BWF will change their rules (Assuming of course an Indigenous or adopted Antartic dweller can make the top 100 players in the Rankings).

You should look up the facts before posting. ;)



Badminton World Federation

The Badminton World Federation is the world governing body for the sport with 151 National Member Associations. The BWF has five Continental Confederations which correspond to the Olympic continental structure. The confederations are:

Oceania Badminton Confederation

Africa Badminton Federation

Asia Badminton Confederation

European Badminton Union

Panamerican Badminton Confederation

http://www.badminton.org.au/index.php?id=111

[jamesd20]

You should look up the facts before posting. ;)

http://www.badminton.org.au/index.php?id=111

You should Read my post before replying:)

I clearly stated that N America and S America are classed as separate continents.

I made no reference to the BWF Confederation structure. (except that it does not include antartica:D)

[Loopy]

You should Read my post before replying:)

I clearly stated that N America and S America are classed as separate continents.

I made no reference to the BWF Confederation structure. (except that it does not include antartica:D)

Hahaha!
It all depends on how you've been taught on continents, and where you came from. It can go from 4 to 7 continents.
Even though I grew up in eastern Canada, they taught on 6 continents, with North and South America combined as one continent. Maybe they changed it afterwards as seems to be the case.
It reminds me I'm an old cat :(

[Gabriyel]

Hi,
Since I have too much free time on my hands, I decided to calculate who's going to Beijing 2008. I think I got it right; I took into account that for 1) Rank 1 to 4, if a country has 3 or more players/pairs, he can send 3. 2) Rank 5 to 16: A country can send 2 players/pairs unless there already is 2 or more qualified. 3) Rank 17 and lower: A country can send 1 player/pair unless there already is 1 or more qualified and finally 4) There must be a player/pair qualified from each of the five continent: America, Asia, Europe, Africa, Oceania (I hope I got that name right... sorry for my english).
Here it is all, in a little excel workbook (no macros, don't worry :-)

Hope you enjoy it!

[muppetwonder]

Thanks for posting this, it's an interesting list. For me, especially, since I'm Canadian, I had no idea that we have two fairly high-ranked players in Men's Singles and Women's Singles, Andrew Dabeka and Anna Rice. #35 and #23 (respectively) is actually pretty good I think, and it's turned out to be a pleasant surprise.

It's sad how poor a job the Canadian associations do of promoting the sport....

[badelbow]

Thanks for posting this, it's an interesting list. For me, especially, since I'm Canadian, I had no idea that we have two fairly high-ranked players in Men's Singles and Women's Singles, Andrew Dabeka and Anna Rice. #35 and #23 (respectively) is actually pretty good I think, and it's turned out to be a pleasant surprise.

It's sad how poor a job the Canadian associations do of promoting the sport....

Totally agree!
Next year's government funding will be "cut" again.

......Canada is in the Jakatra's Thomas Cup?
Part of the team departed at YVR 3:00 am this moring.
Last time Canada in the Thomas Cup was 1984

[event]

Since I have too much free time on my hands, I decided to calculate who's going to Beijing 2008. Here it is all, in a little excel workbookHmm. Already 2 other threads open on this same topic. (here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53235) and here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53799)) The excel sheet is a good idea. Such lists have been available on Badzine (http://www.badzine.info/olympics/menssingle.htm) for about a year now.

[Mr. Fault]

Hi,
Since I have too much free time on my hands, I decided to calculate who's going to Beijing 2008. I think I got it right; I took into account that for 1) Rank 1 to 4, if a country has 3 or more players/pairs, he can send 3. 2) Rank 5 to 16: A country can send 2 players/pairs unless there already is 2 or more qualified. 3) Rank 17 and lower: A country can send 1 player/pair unless there already is 1 or more qualified and finally 4) There must be a player/pair qualified from each of the five continent: America, Asia, Europe, Africa, Oceania (I hope I got that name right... sorry for my english).
Here it is all, in a little excel workbook (no macros, don't worry :-)

Hope you enjoy it!


Hi,

I see from your list that you have both Andrew Smith (ENG) and Richard Vaughan (WAL) listed. As it is Team GB that will be in Beijing then only Andrew will be going. Who will that allow in instead?

Also, I heard today that it is very likely that neither Sara Perrson (SWE) or Jao Yie (NED) will get the go ahead from their respective Associations. That leaves 2 vacancies on the Ladies Singles list.

Mr. Fault

[singhzico]

Thanks for posting this, it's an interesting list. For me, especially, since I'm Canadian, I had no idea that we have two fairly high-ranked players in Men's Singles and Women's Singles, Andrew Dabeka and Anna Rice. #35 and #23 (respectively) is actually pretty good I think, and it's turned out to be a pleasant surprise.

It's sad how poor a job the Canadian associations do of promoting the sport....
Wake up and smell the roses u been hidin under the snow:cool::cool::cool:

[muppetwonder]

Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetwonder http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=860745#post860745)
Thanks for posting this, it's an interesting list. For me, especially, since I'm Canadian, I had no idea that we have two fairly high-ranked players in Men's Singles and Women's Singles, Andrew Dabeka and Anna Rice. #35 and #23 (respectively) is actually pretty good I think, and it's turned out to be a pleasant surprise.

It's sad how poor a job the Canadian associations do of promoting the sport....

Wake up and smell the roses u been hidin under the snow:cool::cool::cool:
Err... yeah. The last time I played badminton, it had only been a few years since Mike Butler was the Canadian national champion, so I've been out of the scene for a long time.

[huangkwokhau]

Last week, SMCP ( Hong Kong newspapers) reported that Nyoto/johan who has qualified for MD for Hong Kong are not eligible as Yohan could not get his HK passport on time ) he is away of several months to complete his 7 yr resident of HKG). SCMP mentioned that in 2004, Nyoto's partner also did not get HK passport on time to represent HK..so this is 2nd time that nyoto qualified but could not go to Olympics...

[limsy]

Last week, SMCP ( Hong Kong newspapers) reported that Nyoto/johan who has qualified for MD for Hong Kong are not eligible as Yohan could not get his HK passport on time ) he is away of several months to complete his 7 yr resident of HKG). SCMP mentioned that in 2004, Nyoto's partner also did not get HK passport on time to represent HK..so this is 2nd time that nyoto qualified but could not go to Olympics...

so sad...T.T...:crying:

[jamesd20]

so sad...T.T...:crying:

Sad yes, but it should not be a shock. If it is a 7 year rule, it does not take too much maths ability to work out if you will or will not be eligible.

Sad would be qualified, but the Passport authority messed up the application and you couldn't get it in time.

I suppose this meant that the HK badminton association does not view the OG as a priority? - seeing as they must have also been aware of the citizenship qualification

[badMania]

Last week, SMCP ( Hong Kong newspapers) reported that Nyoto/johan who has qualified for MD for Hong Kong are not eligible as Yohan could not get his HK passport on time ) he is away of several months to complete his 7 yr resident of HKG). SCMP mentioned that in 2004, Nyoto's partner also did not get HK passport on time to represent HK..so this is 2nd time that nyoto qualified but could not go to Olympics...

In 2004, I believe it was Albertus Susanto Njoto who were not eligible. Albert's partner was a local Hong Kong player, Liu Kwok Wa.

[huangkwokhau]

In 2004, I believe it was Albertus Susanto Njoto who were not eligible. Albert's partner was a local Hong Kong player.
Really? I wish I could keep the article and paste it here....hope someone can post it full article...

[badMania]

This is the ranking of Albertus Susanto Njoto/Liu Kwok Wa during the OG 2004 Qualifications.

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/flags/HKG.gif
http://www.internationalbadminton.org/flags/HKG.gifLIU Kwok Wa HKG
NJOTO * Albertus Susanto HKG Points: 18702

[limsy]

Sad yes, but it should not be a shock. If it is a 7 year rule, it does not take too much maths ability to work out if you will or will not be eligible.

Sad would be qualified, but the Passport authority messed up the application and you couldn't get it in time.

I suppose this meant that the HK badminton association does not view the OG as a priority? - seeing as they must have also been aware of the citizenship qualification

yalor...singapore and hongkong have many import player...hmm...not in badminton only...as i know about singapore...basketball,ping pong also import player...i think local athlete also dislike this kind of policy...kia su...

[limsy]

In real life, there are 6 continents: Asia, Europe, Africa, Oceania, America and Antartica. South and North America are part of the same continent.

However, BWF recognizes 5 continents.


sorry loopy...i think my geografi was good enough...there was 7 in real life...asia,europe,afrika,oceania,america,artic and antartic...

[madbad]

Is there an official list of the qualifiers in each of the 5 disciplines?
Check that–I found it on the BWF website, hehe

[Seasider]

Can someone tell me where I can find the complete list of badminton players who will compete in Olympic Games? Even better if I the list has the seeded entries and draws too :) Thank you in advance !!! :)

[aZn_Popcorn]

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/olympicsplayerlist1.html

[demolidor]

sorry loopy...i think my geografi was good enough...there was 7 in real life...asia,europe,afrika,oceania,america,artic and antartic...

The arctic is not a continent, there is no landmass underneath it (the ice) ;)

[limsy]

The arctic is not a continent, there is no landmass underneath it (the ice) ;)

greenland is in what continent?

[madbad]

sorry loopy...i think my geografi was good enough...there was 7 in real life...asia,europe,afrika,oceania,america,artic and antartic...

North America, South America - 2 continents ;):)

[jimbo]

http://www.internationalbadminton.org/olympicsplayerlist1.html

thanks for the link. browsed through the list of players and only a handful (5-7) of players are considered "contenders" :cool: But it's every player's dream to feature in the most prestige game on earth. I wish I could but it never came true :crying::D

[aZn_Popcorn]

greenland is in what continent?

That has been a tricky questions since the beginning of time I think.
Greenland can be considered that it is not a Continent since it is too small. It is soo far north that on some map projections, it can be distorted. However, it is also the World's largest Island situated north-east of Canada.
Greenland is also said to apart of North America since it's wildlife is shared with Canada.
It can also be apart of Europe I guess since I believe it officially remains the territory of Denmark.

[aZn_Popcorn]

There is 7 Continents; North America, South America, Australia, Asia, Africa, Antarctica, and Europe.
That said, many scientists refer to 6 Continents now since Europe and Asia are combined(one solid geological landmass), which = Eurasia

[SibugiChai]

There is 7 Continents; North America, South America, Australia, Asia, Africa, Antarctica, and Europe.
That said, many scientists refer to 6 Continents now since Europe and Asia are combined(one solid geological landmass), which = Eurasia

How about Borneo? is also a continent...

so Sabah, Sarawak, Brunei & Kalimantan can send a rep?